SIMP Paid Her Bills On FIRST DATE?! Feminist Until The Check Comes?! | Dating Talk #120

Date: 2023-11-22

Duration: 6h 45m

Guests

Brian Atlas

CCeleste (DT120)>

NNicole (DT120)>

MMandy (DT120)>

OOxana (DT195)>

JJanna (DT120)>

TTessa (DT120)>

RRaina Zuzunaga (DT120)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Nicole(guest)

SPEAKER_03Raina(guest)

SPEAKER_04Tessa(guest)

SPEAKER_05Tara(guest)

SPEAKER_06Mandy(guest)

SPEAKER_07TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_11Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12Oxana(guest)

SPEAKER_13Janna(guest)

SPEAKER_14Celeste(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteBrian introduces himself as representative of the patriarchy and proclaims men have fewer rights than women.

“men have less rights than women and that is an inescapable fact feminism has failed you how can the patriarchy help you today I am the official representative of the patriarchy”

QuoteOxana (matchmaker) argues that a woman can either build or crush her man through how she handles herself with him; gratitude helps man grow.

“woman always builds man with the right way she handles herself with the man she can either build her man or Crush her man”

ControversyTessa challenges Nicole on the contradiction between calling herself a feminist while wanting a full male provider who pays for everything.

“the two they can they can be parallel so then can I ask you something real quick”

QuoteNicole rates herself a 10 on looks.

“um I'd say 10 yeah there's always been for PR shirt but like I think I'm cute”

QuoteBrian self-rates at 5 due to recent weight gain (down from 6).

“I used to say I'm a six I think now I'm a five because I've gained some weight”

ControversyTessa tells Nicole she came on the podcast undereducated, was back-and-forth and confused, and should think more about what she actually wants.

“I think you definitely came on the podcast today very uneducated um I think you were very back and forth”

QuoteBrian plays Andrew Tate clip arguing men working dangerous jobs do so to provide for their families, not to oppress women.

“when a man gets up at 4 in the morning to go carry garbage to earn a good wage he ain't thinking I'm going to do this so I can oppress that”

QuoteTessa describes meeting her current boyfriend who ambushed her with his entire family on the first Tinder date.

“his whole family including Brothers sisters grandfather grandmother they all”

QuoteBrian asks guests to rate themselves 1-10 on looks.

“starting with you and we'll go around the table go ahead Cece”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & relationship status

Guests introduce themselves; relationship statuses revealed. Mandy is in an exclusive situationship since July 4th (~6 months) but not officially in a relationship.

Who should pay on the first date

Discussion on whether men should pay on first dates. Nicole wants provider; Celeste says whoever initiates; Mandy says situation-dependent. Brian argues against feminist who wants both equal pay and traditional treatment.

Feminism and traditional values contradiction

Nicole identifies as feminist but wants provider husband, traditional gender roles, to be stay-at-home wife. Brian and Tessa challenge the contradiction. Wage gap data presented (payscale, Pew Research).

Patriarchy discussion

Guests define and debate the patriarchy. Nicole claims patriarchy exists as male leadership. Brian rejects it, argues gynocentric society. Janna gives Slavic example of abandoned mothers.

Wage gap data presentation

Nick pulls up PayScale controlled vs uncontrolled wage gap charts, Pew Research Center data on young women's earnings, GDP per capita vs median male income, working hours comparison. Discussion of film industry pay disparities.

Andrew Tate clip - men as providers

Clip of Andrew Tate explaining that men working dangerous/dirty jobs do so to provide for family, not to oppress women. All guests react positively.

Roster / dating multiple people

Going around the table: who has had a roster. Celeste: not now (3 people at ~17-18). Nicole: no. Mandy: situationship (quasi-single). Oxana: had roster before husband. Janna: never hookups or one-night stands. Tara: open relationship dating. Tessa: no. Raina: pursued by multiple but no crossover.

Older men dating younger women

Brian presents list of reasons older men prefer younger women (not manipulation). Mandy raises concern that older men manipulate young women. Brian rejects pathologizing of male preferences.

Sugar daddy discussion

Nicole mentions sugar daddy thing traumatizes women; alludes to personal experience but refuses to elaborate. Brian notes women actively seek sugar daddies via apps like Seeking Arrangements.

Self-ratings (1-10 looks)

Guests rate themselves on looks 1-10. Celeste: 10. Nicole: 8 (said 10 initially, walked back). Mandy: 7.5 (8 with humor). Oxana: declined. Janna: 7. Tara: 6-7. Tessa: 3. Raina: 6. Brian: 5 (down from 6 due to weight gain).

What is a woman / transgender debate

Going around table: Celeste says biological woman. Nicole says fine with trans identifying as woman. Mandy says identifies as woman = woman. Oxana: woman is love/care/nurture. Janna: feminine energy, given to you. Tara: open relationship. Tessa: biological only, cites God not making mistakes. Raina: biblical gender differences.

Body count discussion

Body counts: Nicole <5 (declined to specify); Mandy under 20; Oxana declined; Janna <10; Tara: 11; Tessa: 0; Raina: 0. Brian: 11. Discussion on whether body count matters.

Transcript

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Rainahas created us specifically into two different genders two different it's the same thing sex and gender is the same thing he has created us in this way to

Rainacompliment each other to have different roles in the in a home family in a home family setting he has created us in this way just like we've talked about the whole this whole time that we've been

Rainatalking together we've talked about the differences between how men and women are in relationships and he's created us this way for a reason and he God does

Rainanot make make mistakes he has not mistakenly put a man's soul in a female's body or vice versa I'm sorry it's okay he he made you that way and he

Brian Atlasloves you the way that you are he's not created you in the body that you're created as a mistake and that's just yeah my take on

Brian Atlasthat all right there you have it folks there you have it uh okay hold on where did that that oh I think okay we did that from Nickelodeon we have oh one

Brian Atlasquestion related to that would you for those of you okay I'll just ask the question um would you

Brian Atlasobject to me for example or just any man not wanting to date a transgender woman would you object to that we'll start with you go around the table no I think

Nicoleeveryone's allowed to have their own preference yeah everybody's allowed to have their own preference and and um yeah that's fine okay you're allowed to have your own preference and I'm glad that you're not dating a transed woman

Mandyif you don't want to because I would put them in a very uncomfortable position

Jannano I would be sad if I would okay I would be sad a dig I don't know what that was it's getting late I would be sad Brian if I would

Jannahave known that you're dating a transgender because our chances are getting lower and so on and so on but uh I yeah of

Tessacourse oh gosh look at the camera and do it this lady is also you

Jannayeah but but I do believe that adults can do whatever they want and we never know what kind of pain what kind of suffers what kind of battle people who are

Tessachanging their sex going through okay sure all right um NOP yeah if you don't like him you don't like him yeah same all right we have

Brian AtlasRichard Jana if a 10year gap is too young what is too old I saw oxana's answer on her site oh wow um what is too old I'm very open person I don't like

Jannamake conclusions when I don't know people when I don't know what it will be in my life but as I can assume right now

Jannalike probably uh 15 years Gap in either Direction no in either he asked the older

JannaDirection okay okay but I never know okay okay still have kids even if it is older

Jannamhm and if if they are yes yes yes if we it's a match if we are like on the same page of course no you never know my

Jannaturns are 15 years apart they've been married for I know cool marriages for 20 25 years apart and it's cool that's why I'm not telling this my husband he's 15 years

Brian Atlasold we have stochastic Decay question for the panel what is a green flag hobby for a man don't skip Tara Tera Tara Tera Tera Tera me Tara have you seen

Brian Atlasyeah okay R okay definitely not starting with you what is a green flag hobby for a man I think someone who's like active and

Nicolehouse works out a lot okay uh yeah like um working out pursuing education and like trying to learn new things um business ventures

Mandylike that that's a great hobby why not word any hobbies that like you can like invest in the future fure not just like temporary something for like the long

Oxanarun you can like work with your partner green flag I'm still trying to figure out what the question is um so I guess uh like he collects Pokemon

Brian Atlascards could be could be a gamer that's probably a red flag for most women though self-improvement attend in seminars or whatever you know okay like furthering education sort of thing or

Jannayeah wanting to grow they like yeah continue growing and continue nice yeah yeah what about you for me it would be helping people or impacting others

Tessalives impct pickle ball if they love pickle ball as I like pickle ball if they play pickle ball you got to come to Utah man pickle balls yeah why would it matter if a gay man

Brian Atlasdressed excuse me as woman felt uncomfortable about a hetero man not wanting to date him how about how uncomfortable a stray man would feel about finding out finding a pen Down Under

OxanaMandy Mandy sorry that was weird that was cringe my bad yeah stop L don't get to answer here like the previous question

Mandythe girls didn't answer yeah go no you don't want to answer grid one you want to just quickly answer as a ciswoman I don't think that's my place to answer that question sorry all right

Taraum green flag hobby uh working out mil military um knowing some sort of fighting style um things like things like that I think

Tessaare attractive sweet um I also agree fighting uh like MMA specifically cuz that's what my boyfriend does I think

Tessait's the hottest thing ever anyways and um like training horses working with uh animals that's a it's a

Rainabig thing um yeah okay um yeah working out being like outdoorsy I love a musician but I don't

Tessaknow if that's really a green flag oh you're like that's just a plus just a plus all right sometimes okay all right I think we're all caught

Brian Atlasup on the chats um go to Twitch really quick guys go to twitch.tv/ whatevers if you can spam it drop us drop us a follow drop us a prime sub

Brian Atlasuh let's see deadly wave thank you for the prime spin Cru thank you for the prime man very much appreciated do I raid somebody on Twitch I don't know I feel like there's no World of Warcraft

Brian Atlasplayers right now it's just like uh and I try to raid like people who might actually even acknowledge the raid so there's emiru oh [ __ ] that yeah I'm not

Brian Atlasgoing to lie like brao what's up em how you doing um uh

Brian Atlas[Laughter] okay you should um there's Summit oneg there's sond but these guys are like all have like emu's got like 18K live sond

Brian Atlas5K live I don't think these guys like do they acknowledge people who raid wait Nick can you pull up the chat and then we could like raid I don't know do we raid like a girl streamer but um someone

Brian Atlasis playing new Cod some small time random scen give him a name uh hello hello sheep who do we should I raid somebody no I don't know I feel like the big

Brian Atlasstreamers like if you raid them they're not going to shout Area 51 I don't think that they're gonna yeah I don't know uh yeah dude emiro the yeah

Brian Atlasshe's what's up okay she actually she's kind of my type I'm not going to lie she is my type um just saying what's up you single what's up someone literally just said

Tessaabout her coming on the show get her on the show I'd be I'd be down to have her on the show like sit sit right here I got a spot for you no I'd probably put her across for

Brian Atlasme so we can argue um let's see uh let's see I feel like the thing is though with like big streamers like it's just the reality of the content game or like the social

Brian Atlasmedia game most people like if they're much have bigger audience than you like they don't [ __ ] with you unless you have a comparable audience size typically um

Brian Atlasso yeah it is what it is it is what it is um yo i' I'd be super down to have asmin gold on I've tried to invite him dude we'll [ __ ] I I asmin gold would

Brian Atlasbe lit asmin gold would be super cool um yeah so okay um I think we're caught up on chats any fi last chance any final thoughts anybody I feel like I'm

Brian Atlasforgetting a topic a thread but whatever I don't know anything last thoughts anybody anybody topic or a shout out yeah if you guys want to uh where can where can the people because a lot

Brian Atlasof people have been asking about your matchmaking Services somebody's curious about it uh do you got a website where can they find out more information about that oh yeah sure oh so I I yeah we got

Brian Atlasto do the Twitter video wait we'll do that later though um after if you want to I think there is signature or something right so there's yeah I uh yeah yeah yeah but do you want to like

Oxanait's what yeah website is oan love.com oksa and a l o e it's just harder for

Brian Atlasyeah uh let's see Patrice clip do we oh no we're not going to do the Patrice clip it's late we'll do because I don't want to be click baiting you guys in the

Brian Atlastitle it says I'm getting sued so I'd play a video for you guys oh Nick you got to go bro you got to go full screen before you uh okay um especially on Twitter because there's all kinds of degenerate [ __ ] on

MandyTwitter um uh okay go for it have you been saying stupid stuff on the whatever podcast and now you have to face the

SPEAKER_01harsh backlash of public opinion kind of like this me Anna I'm Anna she denies being racist that's not to be racist because of a small lapse in judgment

SPEAKER_01prejudices that exist against me don't exist against you Brian and that's why you can't be racist against a white person and now the internet is laughing at her I hate this

Mandygirl we here to help hi I'm Anita man a feminist Advocates to inclusivity Legal Services we specialize in reputation lawsuits and I want you to know it is

Mandynot your fault you made yourself look dumb me Christina hi I'm Christina she believes men are so superficial men are so superficial but not without sharing a minor preference of her own would you

Mandydate a guy that's shorter than you absolutely not at least 6'2 at least 6'2 how tall are you 5'5 and now the internet is calling her a

Mandyhypocrite we understand sometimes the truth comes out but there's no reason why you have to take responsibility your Pastime is humbling men you do work at a

Tessastrip club so do you humble men there no I take their money being a feminist is just doing whatever you want to do do defie and I actually have a point system for

Taraheight yes a feminist advocates for inclusivity Legal Services we don't care about the truth we care about your truth

Mandyremember it's not your fault you said it it's their fault they heard it call us today feminist Advocates [Music]

Brian Atlasinterested bro I'm getting [ __ ] sued holy [ __ ] guys oh my god dude [ __ ] it's tough bro all right yo uh

Brian Atlasdonate to my legal defense fund stream lines.com whatever okay um all right guys we're going to wrap up the show is there anything I'm forgetting Nick is there anything else we wanted to pull up

Taraor make oh did you have something oh yeah uh because uh nectar they like gave us those cases so I wanted to shout them

Brian Atlasout was nice of them to bring if yall want some of the nectar szer is back there okay all right thank thank you thank you nectar typically with for promotion we'd do a little all right

Brian Atlasokay okay okay well no they gave so well yeah but I okay all right all right all right sry no it's it's fine it's fine um okay so uh was there Nick was there

Brian Atlasanything else yeah with the makeup and then the Reddit post the red oh no we'll we'll do those another show okay guys last call hit the like button please on your way out thank you for tuning in

Brian Atlastonight you could have been anywhere in the world but you were here with me I very much appreciate that thank you guys let me just double check make sure there's no supers that came in uh no I think we're all good okay guys again uh

Brian Atlasthank you to everyone who has super chatted donates supports the show oh body count okay [ __ ] it thank you guys okay uh really quick what's

Brian Atlasyour body count should body count matter and should should body count should body count matter no I don't think it

Oxanamatters um I don't think it personally matters okay it doesn't matter as long as you get tested get tested the question is does

Oxanathe uh body count sexual partner count matter um uh preferably there would not be too many people involved in their you know in the previous relationship sure but of

Oxanacourse everybody can kind of change themselves if they want to okay yeah for me the less the better

Brian Atlasbut um I'm undecided on that I don't for me it it does matter yeah for me it matters okay so quite a few of you said

Nicoledoesn't matter if body count doesn't matter what's your body count four four okay uh mine's very low but I'm not just not personally disclosing that

Nicoleinformation and also somebody asked for my Instagram it's yikes instead of an

Brian Atlas[Laughter] whatever wait go ahead go ahead go ahead go ahead what it's a no no no go ahead go ahead yeah it's a yikes with a one

Brian Atlasno no okay I'm sorry okay okay go go I'm serious I'm serious go ahead no it's okay no no go ahead say it say already heard it I hope no go ahead go ahead one I I promise last time oh BL go ahead go ahead go ahead [Music]

Nicoleyikes you don't know the way okay so is it less than 10 yeah lesson five I'm just not dis I'm just not

Brian Atlasdisclosing that like when I have a partner I'll talk to them about it but can't speak into the microphone it's

Brian Atlasvery complicated procedures on a podcast don't know how to follow instructions go ahead Maddie problem with authority MD sorry Mandy M oh my

MandyGod I'm not answering I play the F no do it no do it no do it if you subscribe to my only

Brian Atlasfans I'll tell you don't let than my bio my Instagram bio don't do it do it did you just slurp the

SPEAKER_10[ __ ] what the [ __ ] okay I'm going to pretend like you didn't just make my dick go

SPEAKER_08soft oh good that wasn't me that was this other guy okay I can already tell that I don't like you damn Brian what happened I will rain

SPEAKER_08down and a Godly [ __ ] Firestorm upon you you're going to have to call the [ __ ] United Nations and get a [ __ ] binding resolution to keep me from [ __ ] destroying you I am talking

SPEAKER_08scorched Earth [ __ ] I will Massacre you I will [ __ ] you up harambe it says Haram but wait do that again what I got

Brian Atlasno okay uh come on give us range less than 10 more than 50 no you you you for the BC um not more than 50 is crazy H

Mandymore than 50 is crazy um I'm going to just say like under under 20 okay fair the one that matters is my husband so

Jannaone wifey I'll keep it that way yeah what about you I would love it to be one person so all others is like fa so why did

Jannadisclose I thought you said it doesn't matter though I said the less the better oh okay it was my point is it less than 10 yes

Jannalesson it's that's it all right what about what about you

Brian Atlas11 okay yeah what about you four word zero

Brian AtlasYeah multipli by three and that's the real number I don't it's still zero well that was for the girl it's still zero but for the rest of the table just

Mandysaying just saying multiply by three and that's the number why would ask Brian as a man of God I do not reveal

Mandythat no you got to answer you're getting pressed answer answer answer nope you didn't answer yeah you don't have any did I don't want to give

Mandyyou under 20 under 20 under 20 and then now you got to answer under cardi CeCe answer the question so I will say like

Tarathe high body count thing like that might be good in some regard like like for dude no no for for a a woman not

Taralike too high but like Mandy Mandy Mandy but uh women like knowing just being able to like deal with different guys and then they figure out like oh this is

Tarais what I like um rather than like not knowing at all you know what I mean cuz I I dated different types of guys to figure out that I like Asian men the most

Oxanaso you got to do a little shopping depending on the type of relationship also that you are looking for so like for casual something yeah I guess higher body count better but for the this guy

Brian Atlaswins the chat yeah Brian how many men have you slept with that's good I like it that was good you win the chat for tonight a kins you get the uh chatter of

Brian Atlasthe uh of the uh night yeah day chatter of the the stream award thank you man uh let's see here okay we're all caught up on

Brian Atlaseverything double checking on everything okay body count we talked about body count okay okay okay thank you to everyone who super chats donates supports the show uh your patronage

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Brian Atlashim in a while but uh thank you guys so much really appreciate the support um those are some of our top uh patrons of the week and month thank you guys thank you to the wonderful panel this is one of our longest streams so I appreciate

Brian Atlasyour guys' patience here as we did do a very long stream tonight um so uh any women who want to be on the show and you can make it to Santa Barbara DM whatever on Instagram like the video on your way

Brian Atlasout please we will be live again Sunday 5:00 p.m. Pacific we've got a very good show we've got some very good guests uh lined up throughout the rest of the Year guys so be sure to tune in to the rest

Brian Atlasof our shows Sunday 5:00 P PM Pacific we will see you next time good night guys uh oh 07s in the chat 07s in the chat um

Brian AtlasI feel like I'm forgetting something but I think we hit on everything and it's been long Stream So 07s in the chat good night guys thank you for joining the Stream and we'll see you guys next time thank

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