SIMP Paid Her Bills On FIRST DATE?! Feminist Until The Check Comes?! | Dating Talk #120

Date: 2023-11-22

Duration: 6h 45m

Guests

Brian Atlas

CCeleste (DT120)>

NNicole (DT120)>

MMandy (DT120)>

OOxana (DT195)>

JJanna (DT120)>

TTessa (DT120)>

RRaina Zuzunaga (DT120)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Nicole(guest)

SPEAKER_03Raina(guest)

SPEAKER_04Tessa(guest)

SPEAKER_05Tara(guest)

SPEAKER_06Mandy(guest)

SPEAKER_07TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_11Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12Oxana(guest)

SPEAKER_13Janna(guest)

SPEAKER_14Celeste(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteBrian introduces himself as representative of the patriarchy and proclaims men have fewer rights than women.

“men have less rights than women and that is an inescapable fact feminism has failed you how can the patriarchy help you today I am the official representative of the patriarchy”

QuoteOxana (matchmaker) argues that a woman can either build or crush her man through how she handles herself with him; gratitude helps man grow.

“woman always builds man with the right way she handles herself with the man she can either build her man or Crush her man”

ControversyTessa challenges Nicole on the contradiction between calling herself a feminist while wanting a full male provider who pays for everything.

“the two they can they can be parallel so then can I ask you something real quick”

QuoteNicole rates herself a 10 on looks.

“um I'd say 10 yeah there's always been for PR shirt but like I think I'm cute”

QuoteBrian self-rates at 5 due to recent weight gain (down from 6).

“I used to say I'm a six I think now I'm a five because I've gained some weight”

ControversyTessa tells Nicole she came on the podcast undereducated, was back-and-forth and confused, and should think more about what she actually wants.

“I think you definitely came on the podcast today very uneducated um I think you were very back and forth”

QuoteBrian plays Andrew Tate clip arguing men working dangerous jobs do so to provide for their families, not to oppress women.

“when a man gets up at 4 in the morning to go carry garbage to earn a good wage he ain't thinking I'm going to do this so I can oppress that”

QuoteTessa describes meeting her current boyfriend who ambushed her with his entire family on the first Tinder date.

“his whole family including Brothers sisters grandfather grandmother they all”

QuoteBrian asks guests to rate themselves 1-10 on looks.

“starting with you and we'll go around the table go ahead Cece”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & relationship status

Guests introduce themselves; relationship statuses revealed. Mandy is in an exclusive situationship since July 4th (~6 months) but not officially in a relationship.

Who should pay on the first date

Discussion on whether men should pay on first dates. Nicole wants provider; Celeste says whoever initiates; Mandy says situation-dependent. Brian argues against feminist who wants both equal pay and traditional treatment.

Feminism and traditional values contradiction

Nicole identifies as feminist but wants provider husband, traditional gender roles, to be stay-at-home wife. Brian and Tessa challenge the contradiction. Wage gap data presented (payscale, Pew Research).

Patriarchy discussion

Guests define and debate the patriarchy. Nicole claims patriarchy exists as male leadership. Brian rejects it, argues gynocentric society. Janna gives Slavic example of abandoned mothers.

Wage gap data presentation

Nick pulls up PayScale controlled vs uncontrolled wage gap charts, Pew Research Center data on young women's earnings, GDP per capita vs median male income, working hours comparison. Discussion of film industry pay disparities.

Andrew Tate clip - men as providers

Clip of Andrew Tate explaining that men working dangerous/dirty jobs do so to provide for family, not to oppress women. All guests react positively.

Roster / dating multiple people

Going around the table: who has had a roster. Celeste: not now (3 people at ~17-18). Nicole: no. Mandy: situationship (quasi-single). Oxana: had roster before husband. Janna: never hookups or one-night stands. Tara: open relationship dating. Tessa: no. Raina: pursued by multiple but no crossover.

Older men dating younger women

Brian presents list of reasons older men prefer younger women (not manipulation). Mandy raises concern that older men manipulate young women. Brian rejects pathologizing of male preferences.

Sugar daddy discussion

Nicole mentions sugar daddy thing traumatizes women; alludes to personal experience but refuses to elaborate. Brian notes women actively seek sugar daddies via apps like Seeking Arrangements.

Self-ratings (1-10 looks)

Guests rate themselves on looks 1-10. Celeste: 10. Nicole: 8 (said 10 initially, walked back). Mandy: 7.5 (8 with humor). Oxana: declined. Janna: 7. Tara: 6-7. Tessa: 3. Raina: 6. Brian: 5 (down from 6 due to weight gain).

What is a woman / transgender debate

Going around table: Celeste says biological woman. Nicole says fine with trans identifying as woman. Mandy says identifies as woman = woman. Oxana: woman is love/care/nurture. Janna: feminine energy, given to you. Tara: open relationship. Tessa: biological only, cites God not making mistakes. Raina: biblical gender differences.

Body count discussion

Body counts: Nicole <5 (declined to specify); Mandy under 20; Oxana declined; Janna <10; Tara: 11; Tessa: 0; Raina: 0. Brian: 11. Discussion on whether body count matters.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasexact terminology but um living rough I guess you could say uh men are more likely to delete themselves men are more likely to die early men die on average 5

Brian Atlasyears earlier than women uh men while they have the best jobs arguably or the best paying jobs they also have the most dangerous and dirty and difficult jobs

Brian Atlaswhen the power goes out and it's below freezing at 3:00 a.m. and you need a linan to go fix the electricity or something that's going to be a man going

Brian Atlasout at 3:00 a.m. in the blistering cold in a snowstorm to go dangerously fix something MH so men occupy the most dangerous difficult and dirty jobs look

Nicoleat garbage men yeah who are well paid but you don't see women chomping at the bit to go be a garbage person I'm not saying I'm a tech like I'm not saying

NicoleI'm really against the patriarchy like I you're against it no I'm not I I think there's like there's a lot of value to men and especially in hard positions but

Brian Atlasmen are not the patriarchy no you're okay because but you said the patriarchy is men who

Brian Atlasoccupy the top positions of power that's less than 1% of men so okay so are you saying okay are you saying that

Brian Atlasgenerally speaking men are are you talking like there's male

Brian Atlasprivilege there was a shift not anymore yeah no there's no more male privilege what was the male privilege yeah is there

Nicolecurrently male like do you believe in male privilege when it comes to in certain ways

Nicoleyeah what so what are some examples of a male privilege um a lot of um

Brian Atlaswomen not getting Justice for a lot of um abuses that's not an example of male privilege that could be an example of

Brian Atlasalleged female disadvantage but I'm asking for evidence uh examples of male privilege so cuz plenty of men don't get Justice

Nicoleeither yeah yeah okay in various ways if they're a victim of a crime plenty of men don't get Justice either yeah I'm not sure if I'm educated enough to continue like this discussion okay that's fine well I I

Brian Atlashave just a few more questions then we'll move off of male privilege um so would you say that under patriarchy because you've asserted that we live under a patriarchy are women oppressed like do you view that do you think women

Brian Atlasare oppressed oppressed into the mic

Nicoleplease um I've I'm again I'm not um as educated as I'd like to be on this just because I'm pushing back don't walk back your position but under patriarchy are

Brian Atlaswomen oppressed because you've asserted that there's a patriarchy I deny there's a patriarchy but for the sake of argument I'll I'll uh agree that there's a patriarchy so under the patriarchy

Nicoleunder this assumed patriarchy are women oppressed I think there's been a lot of progress and so that's what I mean when I say like I'm not like um like a radical feminist I'm not like polarized

Brian Atlasum well I think patriarchy is a r rather radical proposition is it I think so okay I didn't view it that way well that's why I was asking what your definition of patriarchy was a male

Nicoleleadership like president is which you object to it sounds like no I'm not objecting to it it's societal terms patriarchy but it sounds like you object

Brian Atlasto it no it'd be nice to see a female but you do object but I but you you it sounded like from what you've said that you have an issue with it

TTS/Donationsbecause you feel as if women have not been able to occupy those roles in society Devon Jackson donated $100 men have the privilege of fighting

TTS/Donationsworking and dying to create a society safe enough for women like you to sit there and poorly explain why they are oppressing you well put daon Jackson

Brian Atlasum so okay my question is under patriarchy are women oppressed no we've seen a lot of progress so women are no longer oppressed so well educated enough to be

Nicolesaying well what are your you're you're in college right what do your professors brainwashing you with brainwashing me with in journalism the me too movement has been a recent thing

Nicolethat is important and because workplace harassment is a thing and women should be protected against that um so that would be maybe one F impression but grid

TTS/DonationsOne Motorsports donated $100 poetic stupidity has been in University too long and I weep for her future Partners the only success in her

TTS/Donationsfuture will be HD by divorce attorneys if you want a real man become a real woman mean wow very mean all righty you

Nicolecan clap back if you want um do you based I'm trying to common ground and I'm not like a radical or like

Brian Atlaspolarizing really no but I'm we're just you used oh did you have

Jannasomething yeah just I want to add a little bit to to this and show probably for you example how kind of kind of

TTS/Donationspatriarch Mr Infinity donated $100 I'm just a hardworking average man who makes suround around 50k a year can Matchmaker find me a traditional

Oxanawoman guess it's a question for meh uh yeah absolutely the it's interesting how you put the question here I'm hardworking average

Oxanaman who makes around 50,000 a year I mean why you feel yourself that you are like not providing enough or uh you are

Oxanaa man who wants to have a family um when woman enters in a relationship uh she's not looking at the guy I mean for me as a Matchmaker I

Oxananever look at the people like who they are I'm looking at them what the potential is when woman enters in a relationship I mean you're not going to be ideal person for uh everyone right

Oxanaaway a woman looks in the potential of who you would be as a partner for a family and how she can help you to

Oxanaachieve even higher things together but again together so uh for the right woman it's it's always woman I believe that

Oxanawoman always builds man with the right way she handles herself with

Oxanathe man she can either build her man or Crush her man so building man is um believing in the Gratitude being

Oxanathankful for what he is able to bring to the family doesn't matter how little it is it doesn't matter but believing more

Oxanaand more and more helps man grow so and the family grow so I guess the short uh answer to this question is yes you wanted to go on the patriarchy yeah yeah

Jannayeah I wanted to help with an example and show uh how where men or where women can uh be oppressed in society I feel uh

Jannahere that uh it's really Pro women Society now and or at least that women are very protected here and uh for

Jannaexample I feel really pity when I see for example in Slavic countries men when men divorce or leave family for leaves

Jannafamily for example with kids he just say bye-bye it's a good thing if he leaves something but it's up to him in most of

Jannacases and he said bye-bye to his wife Wife and Kids for example and go start a

Jannanew life with new woman with new datings have no has no um no responsibility no responsibility and you're right probably you couldn't find the example in this

Jannacountry right because there are a lot of equalities and rights but from where we are like our backgrounds for example so and I and what is most uh important and

Jannasad to see that it's acceptable in society so for for example Society will not say oh I will not date this guy because he left his family and see their

Jannachildren like barely maybe sometimes maybe don't see at all so it it's not punished by Society so here it's example how women are oppressed but women should

Jannagrow children mostly on their own find a new man who will look at them oh my God she has kids maybe now maybe it's too complicated I will go find someone you know a lot of women you remember right

Jannamore women than men so here is an example yeah to the topic there I would say that Society is more patriarchy

Nicoleright okay yeah did you have any further thoughts on the patriarchy discussion no like I said I'm not like polarized or radical so thank you for chiming in because I appreciate that okay last

Brian Atlascouple questions for you here in the Cent that's aration um are you oppressed am I

Brian Atlasno okay okay all right uh sort of the last thing on this you said that there's a wage Gap yes I was listening listening to a

Nicolepolitical science lecture on the way here from a professor with a doctoral in political science and she was stating that yes there is still a wealth Gap

Brian Atlasspecifically for women of color Okay um actually I think we have some information on that Nick can you pull up the infographics

Brian Atlastab uh I just want to make sure I pull up the right one hold on uh I think it's in the wage

Brian Atlastab uh you mentioned huh in files Dropbox podcast infographics there's also hold on I'm just pulling these up on my end so I can

Nicolesee them there's some interesting stats actually comparing men and women um hold up wait wait wait I think it definitely depends on the studies you look at but there was also more evidence within my

Brian Atlasjournalism class and some studies we looked at there your journalism class yes who's probably taught by a feminist liberal woman it's by a man feminist

Brian Atlasliberal man same same thing no Okay but well so okay we have uh wait hold on I'm just looking Nick can you pull up are you in

Brian Atlasthe wage tab okay can you pull up the gpg 2022 controlled controlled it's the yellow and blue

Brian Atlasone and then the Asian women comparing to Asian women Asian women 2 stochastic Decay donated

TTS/Donations$99 yo what's up sorry I'm late long day writing a poem roses are red black widow's brain is pint sized she can't

Nicolemake an argument without saying polarized this has become a gang I want to say it's an argument it's a discussion and that's why Asian women Asian women 2 GDP per

Brian Atlascapita median income uh and then women out earn uh and then working hours also those are all at the

Brian Atlasbottom wait there's two Asian women I just grab both while you're at it cuz I wanted actually we've never

Brian Atlasreally looked at any of the data I just want to look at it do you got it Nick can we start looking um yes good

Brian Atlasokay uh just hide us Nick for a sec uh so this was released by I believe payscale you can actually go to the payscale webs I think it's payscale

Brian Atlasuncontrolled gender pay Gap this opportunity pay Gap measures median salary for all men and all women so this isn't accounting for hours worked type

Brian Atlasof job not seniority nothing educational achievement if you control for every single variable it comes down to 99 cents a 1

Brian Atlascent Gap okay so that measures the median salary for men and women with the same job in qualifications Nick you can show us again are you able to pull up the

Brian Atlasother oh did you have a question Nick did you have a question um that's from pay scale by the way I'm pretty sure pay scale which is not like it's not like

Nicolesome left right leaning organization hold on let me pull this out that's good I would hope that's the case from what we looked at in my journalism class it was like the film

Nicoleindustry and contracts signed speciically to where men to the what industry like film industry contract signed um film industry like movie Producers actors actresses oh

Brian Atlasthey make more than women yes like contracts signed and stuff like that sure oh do do you think it's do you think it's unfair for example that uh female soccer players or women who are

Brian Atlasin the WNBA do you think it's unfair that they make less than men who play soccer or men who are in the NBA no because I think the audience size is different and it's okay exactly couldn't

Tarathat be the same also in the entertainment industry like certain actors might work more or um so so I I do know what you're

Tarareferencing right because uh Mo'Nique was speaking about it is kind of similar along the lines what you're talking about um anybody anybody know whoot G

TTS/DonationsOne Motorsports donated $100 wage Gap I wish I could sell pictures of my Thumper online and make five figures a month

Mandyenjoy life on easy mode you do only fans how much do you make um no comment we already about this um no comment I

Mandydefinitely do agree that like women make more money on only fans than men it's why and is that evidence of sexism um is that evidence of

Mandysexism [ __ ] well I'm not really asking you that but back to you I don't I don't know if they asking you or me female models female

Brian Atlasmodels greatly out earn their male counterparts is that because of like sexism is there a matriarchy because

Mandyfemale models out there in male models no are male models like oppressed andri take in porn more than women actually I honestly I don't know that because a lot

Mandyof women watch porn a lot of men watch porn but I know for a fact as as a Creator myself like women do make more moneyy than men but that's in the sex working industry although it does sound

Brian Atlaslike you said that well for male soccer players female soccer players you don't object to them making different amounts is that correct no it's appealing to the audience and the

Brian Atlasaudience participation so that's like the industry that she's in it's like the male audience is the one right I agree Nick let's just just since we have them pulled up just let's blast through um

Brian Atlasyou mentioned women of color actually Asian women are out earning white men holy crap huh H uh that's the median

Taraweekly earnings of full-time workers white men versation next one Nick I think she's talk are you talking about specifically like black women or just women of color as a whole I thought

TaraAsian women were also women of color I'm I'm just asking to clarify like what well that was from the this next was there another Asian women one yeah

Brian Atlasscroll median weekly earnings for full Asian women vers white men this is the okay all right next what's the next one we got real GDP per capita and median

Brian Atlasmale income uh so this is comparing the uh is this like uh the real GDP per capita and

Brian Atlasmedian male income so wait real GDP per capita oh median male income I see and then comparing it to men versus women so there's a men are kind of disadvantaged there

Brian Atlasthere hasn't been as similar growth uh next scroll up Nick um weighted average of working hours per week single men and

Brian Atlaswomen without kids so men work more hours than women next uh and then this is from Pew Research Center can you put this on the

Brian Atlasother side Nick Young Women earn at least as much as young men in 22 you make a smaller uh young women earn at least as much as young men in 22 us

Brian Atlasmetros so uh oh then I don't know put it is the other one smaller the one on the left side smaller we oh we don't have one of those on the right side no we don't oh

Brian Atlasdo we just have the corner show me the corner I guess that's fine uh medium annual earnings of us women as a percent of men's median among

Brian Atlasfull-time year round workers younger than 30 can you hide us for a sec I want to read that thing on the bottom estimates refer to full-time year

Brian Atlasround workers aged 16 to 29 who reported positive wage and salary income in the prior 12 months actually there was a woman who recently won the Nick if you can Google the no Nobel Peace Prize sorry not not the Nobel Peace Prize it

Brian Atlaswas a Nobel economics prize uh a woman debunked the wage Gap and said it comes down

Brian Atlasto women women's choice to have a family um was there another one Nick or I think

Brian Atlasyeah whatever we don't need to pull it up um but uh so my question to you

Brian Atlasis uh you you mentioned that you want a guy to be a provider correct do you do you think let's say let's assume that I'm wrong on the wage Gap thing that

Brian Atlasthere's genuinely a wage Gap that it's 80 cents the dollar for men um let's

Brian Atlasjust assume it's true right um could we explain away the Gap because there are women like you who want

Brian Atlastraditional treatment from men and that there's a there's a market pressure there's a a dating pressure that exists on men that does not exist on women for

Brian Atlasmen to be providers and to make money because women have this put a pressure on men to financially succeed whereas there there is no dating pressure mating

TTS/Donationspressure on women donated 9 Oxana do you have more women like Janna yes many more so to get back to my

Brian Atlasmy question though could it could the wage Gap assuming it's real be explained Away by the fact that women put a burden

Brian Atlasof pressure on men to be providers and that burden does not exist on women airo because of the mating pressure on men to provide and to make money and to pay for

Brian Atlasfirst States and to get you gifts and do all these things that explains why there's a wage Gap because men are more motivated to make more money because if they don't they're not going to get a second date with you they're not going

Nicoleto get a first date with you um when it comes to that I would still say women should be making equal pay if they're in the the workforce that's but okay how can you I I don't

Brian Atlasthink that the two positions can coexist you cannot say I want men to I want men to be a provider but also I want to make the EXA because

Nicoleif every single woman makes the exact same amount as a guy how can you expect a guy to be a provider well the woman can also you know save up and do other things with

Rainathe money to invest in the relationship there's many utilization seems a little bit sexist like against the guy if the woman gets to save all the money if they're making the same and he's paying

Rainafor everything for her and she's saving it or would she be paying for things for him as well cuz then that would make it equal right for him as well and like for the so then he wouldn't have to pay for

Rainaeverything mhm so then he wouldn't be providing for you in the way that you're saying because you would be paying for things for him yes I would say it's like a mutually beneficial but Sole Provider

Brian Atlaslike he's the main provider for the family and for me I just I don't think the demand for and we have equal pay but

Brian Atlasthis demand of like because you we there's been news Artic Nick can you actually Google uh women not

Brian Atlasfinding economically attractive Partners so if we Elevate the amount of money that women are making if women are and I think it's great if

Brian Atlaswomen are participating in the workforce however women need to start considering 50/50 if y'all want to be being paid

Brian Atlasequally you can't you can't have I want perfect equality in society but I want inequality in my romantic life that's what I'm saying people just have their

Brian Atlaspersonal preferences and that's perfectly fine you cannot you you can cannot demand that it just economically I don't think it makes it's it's not feasible if

Brian Atlasevery woman has your standard of I want a guy to be a provider and I would argue a lot of women do perhaps the majority of women want a male to be a provider you co coincidingly there cannot also be

Brian Atlaswhich by the way we have which is I think why there's one of the reasons for the uh break the uh what's it called the uh

Brian Atlasbreaking up of male female relationships uh I don't think both of these things can really coincide you cannot demand tradition in your romantic life

Brian Atlasof a man being a provider but then also across the board expect equality financially and economically somebody's going to lose in that

Brian Atlasscenario here Nick pull up the article do you have it um is it this one well find the um scroll down Nick scroll down so I can see some of the article

Brian Atlaschoices um there's a whole bunch here we'll do the independent lack of economically attractive men click it go ahead lack of economically attractive men to blame for

Brian Atlasdecline in Mar marriage rates study suggests so if a bunch of women have this attitude of I need a man who makes as much as me or more but y'all are high earners now and you're starting to earn

Brian Atlasmore than men there's going to have to be a subset of women that's going to have to be cool with 50/50 going to be cool with being both of you are making income even being the sole bread winner

Brian Atlaspotentially for a woman or out earning the men that's perfectly fine sure but I guess what I'm trying to say is you cannot really have economically I don't think it's economically feasible and perhaps the chat can weigh in on this

Brian Atlasyou cannot have this demand that women all women across the board make just as much as men do and also expect men to be

Brian Atlasproviders the two I don't think the two mesh I could be hey maybe I'm wrong maybe I have misunderstanding of Economics is it radical to be Pro equality

Rainano it's just the it's the contradiction of what you're saying it's the contradiction of expecting a man to buy you things and to give you things pay

Brian Atlasfor first aid pay for subsequent AIDS you okay so that's just my personal preference that's but it's again how do you reconcile your personal preference

Brian Atlasof being a feminist believing in gender equality wanting to do away with gender roles but wanting men to pay for first AIDS because I care about the equality

Tessaof the women in society while also upholding Traditional Values but the the two they can they can be parallel so then can I ask you something real quick

TessaI respect you as like someone who's coming here um I just definitely mots donated $100 pork's sake equal pay does not

TTS/Donationsequals equal earnings that's true men will work hard at jobs work longer hours work in places women will not go stop complaining and enjoy the life men provide the women they love also really

Brian Atlasquick on the wage Gap thing if there actually was a wage Gap corpor what what's the primary goal or motivation of a company or a corporation or a

Brian Atlasbusiness maximize profit make money right if there actually was a wage Gap wouldn't these corporations strictly

Jannajust hire women and save 20 30% on their payroll it's not possible in the USA these companies would be judged for not equality for everyone you know just oh

Jannayou hired only women now it's a court time well no but well not even doesn't work like this it will Society will not support so it's kind of well no but the reality is if if you're a if you're a

Brian Atlasbusiness and you can get away with paying your Workforce 20 30% less then that would be a very smart B business

Jannadecision to just hire no but exactly but then uh publicity will arise and uh they will be sued for not allowing man for

Jannaexample get this job for all this stuff you know for ethical ethical point for ethical it's possible that men's rights Advocates might litigate that however I

Brian Atlaswould argue it's it's pretty unlikely and also when it comes to equality uh most of these companies like if they had a a boardroom that was 80% women or

Brian Atlaseven 100% women they would view that as equality even though it's really not it's only inequality if men make up the majority but when women uh if women are

Brian Atlasover represented in the boardroom or in certain profession sessions there's no qualms with that feminists aren't out in the streets like we need more male nurses like there's not women are not

Brian Atlasfighting to get more men into female dominated jobs they only want to infiltrate M dominated jobs okay do you

Jannabelieve that if businesses in capitalism Society could maximize that profit their

Jannaprofit um wouldn't do it if it would be possible without sequences Smo are smart they've already done please move on to

Nicoleanother topic Black Widow still fin F though Finn fine that's so funny but also though when I was referring to the wage Gap I was referring to a specific

Nicolestudy that I had listened to in a lecture from a college about like in reference to contracts being signed in the film industry I'd just like to put that out there that's super specific

Nicoleexactly and then you interrogated me and I don't I'm not well educated inversed enough in all the other wage gaps so thank you for pulling up the statistics okay did you have did you want continue on with your point so um like I was

Tessasaying as an individual I completely respect you I do have a problem with some things that you're saying I feel like you're very um you get challenged and you take a step back you're not very confident in yourself so I think my

Tessaquestion for you is are you looking for a guy to pay everything for you or are you looking to feel lower than that man because I'm hearing a lot about feminism

Tessabut I'm also hearing a lot about you wanting a man who is paying for everything he is the provider I feel like that's against feminism that's just traditional and from what I've heard

Tessafrom a lot of aspects is that traditional is not feminism like you've said that there's there's been a lot of growth since you know when we couldn't vote whatever one thing or another um so

Tessawhy do you want to go back to the ways of man does everything for me if you're fighting for equality between uh men and women and you know maybe it's something

Tessadeeper maybe it's a trauma thing that you have like I have no idea uh it just is a very confusing thing for me because what do you

Nicolewant I think women should have rights and um the society that we're in they have the rights and they're just making sure they maintain the rights trits I don't know like you know the

TTS/Donationsfeminism like I don't because I don't I don't I cannot think of any right hold on what uncore BW just uncore

TTS/Donationsunwittingly donated $100 admitted is that she wants the absolute domination of men men as slaves that work to pay for everything and then

TTS/Donationsto also be paid the same which women can use for other things pure slavery ER or evil I think dude that's kind of [ __ ] super based like that's super [ __ ]

Brian Atlasbased like I think a lot of men are just like looking at the prospects romantically and of marriage like you're basically just a pay Pig you're a wage slave and it's uh men are catching on

Brian Atlasand it's uh milk ain't worth the

Brian Atlassqueeze you got interrupted though go ahead oh no I actually I think I was going to say so again so what right do men have that women do

Brian Atlasnot the the only thing here I'll help you out the only thing I can think of the only right provided by law for example that men have that women don't

Brian Atlasis that and this isn't even in some cities in some areas women do have this right free the titty like some women you can't be topless in public and you know

Brian Atlaswhat I am a feminist on that front I'm in favor if y'all want to take your and titties out I will fight for you I am the number one feminist at this

Brian Atlastable I'm a feminist titties free the titties free the titties I am a feminist okay that is the one right no it's true

Brian Atlaswomen are so oppressed they can't free the titty it's [ __ ] up okay here hold on let me pull up a chat we have Tim I just want one woman who I will make a

Brian Atlaslot of babies with who will not leave me not leave with half of what I own and actually stick around till death will do us part is it possible in this world of

Brian Atlasdating I don't think it is but uh yeah what can you do what can you do all right here we have LMA lamb the sky lamb the sky Mercy buku for the Canadian 50 Brian

Brian Atlasthe poor girl took an intro the polyi class and learned some buzzword you're not getting out more out of her confirm or deny took an intro to polyi

Nicoleclass yeah yeah I'm just like I'm not radical like um I'm just trying to find common ground

Brian Atlasand um word okay that's fair that's fair it's a bit unfair too because you I feel like I I would have hoped that there were some other femous at the table so I I hope you don't feel like you you're

Brian Atlasgetting dog piled or anything or ganged up on but uh yeah good talk good talk I have a question sure for you Brian for

Oxaname so opinion of the man right so uh everybody is talking about how uh it was put on a man the expectations of making

Oxanamoney and providing and so on right so would it be um is it possible that men right now they feel like they're trying and trying and trying and they're not getting enough appreciation or

Oxanarecognition uh from the woman for the things that they are doing uh I think in a guy typically by nature mother nature just

Oxanaengraved in man to be providers right to um to to get that woman to conquer her

Oxanato court her to it's engraved in you so but if you are with a woman who values what you are doing what you are providing what you are bringing wouldn't

Oxanayou want to even do more so it's like my point is um I think guys just right now feeling underappreciated like it is expectations are put on them

Oxanathey have to do it but if men would have enough appreciation from the woman from their woman they would try to do more with it would be coming from their heart because they know they're coming home

Oxanawhere they appreciated where they're recognized where um they just get all the glory he is the king right yeah what that so it is not the question that men

Oxanauh feel that there is so much put on them they have to provide they have to do like jump out of their pants to give everything to the woman it is the question is yes to have the woman by his

Brian Atlasside who values all this absolutely I think that's a fantastic point you made I think one of the most important things for men is respect and I think a lot of men in their relationships quite frankly

Brian Atlasdo not feel respected by their Partners they don't feel respected by women generally and frankly I don't think men feel respected in society

Brian Atlasuh so absolutely and I think there's also a component of also entitlement when it comes to like as a woman you can have certain

Brian Atlasstandards and preferences and expectations but if you make it if you a lot of men are perfectly happy paying for first AIDS they they will they will

Brian Atlasgo to war with the world to provide for the right woman um but if the woman feels like entitled to it and they don't put they they're not respectful with it

Brian Atlasand they don't they're not thankful or grateful for for it um a lot of women just again feel entitled to it and uh

Brian Atlasrespect is so important to men that men lose motivation to want to be providers I think

Brian Atlasbecause it's not respected exactly and one of the one of the ways it's not respected is you have you'll have men who will do all the right things on the

Brian Atlasdate who will pay for the first date be a gentleman be respectful get her flowers etc etc do all these things and in a lot of ways uh not all women but

Brian Atlasthere are women who will actually look down on that and they'll this comes back to something I think we talked about earlier this sort of double treatment because like for example you'll have a woman

Brian Atlaswho a lot of times in today's modern dating world World Romance is no longer required courtship is no longer required so you'll have women you know we live in a college town here lot there's a big

Brian Atlashookup culture uh a girl will like [ __ ] a guy within an hour of meeting and then the guy who does all the right things who's a gentleman who's

Brian Atlasnice who takes her out on dates who buys her flowers does all the right things uh he he ends up losing and he sees the treatment that the guys who never had to put in anything you'll see these really

Brian Atlasattractive guys who are kind of bad boys or jerks or [ __ ] or whatever they'll they'll never pay for a first date and they are like constantly with women they'll see the treatment that they get

Brian Atlasand they'll be wondering well I'm doing every that I've been told what to do but I don't have I'm not being rewarded for it so it's like [ __ ] it is he really losing or

Oxanahe is gaining like thanks God that I'm not with this woman and he would be moving on to find the girl who does have the right standards and who actually has

Oxanathe knowledge what it is to have a build the right relationship so it is uh it's hard to say I you can look it like from different angle so it is not really

Jannalosing it's uh winning yeah it's the opposite from my perspective too it's just having your own standard whatever it is like not paying pain or like

Jannawhatever it is and just keep trying to find your person no one say is that every girl will uh accept your like you know flowers and everything some girls

Jannadon't want and it's fine with them they want their relationships to be different they can so but if you're a guy and if you want to have this admission grid One

TTS/DonationsMotorsports donated $100 Oxana most us men I know will die for the relationship and go through heal for kids while us women will trash a

Oxanarelationship because they are bored and will use the kids against the father that's really sad that isad is it is just absolutely

Oxanaunfortunate I have a 10-year-old daughter and um just the things that I hear how other couples uh youve things don't work out for them I'm not talking about my clients I'm talking about

Oxanaparents of uh where my child goes to school to and it is uh it is really really scary how people end up

Oxanadamaging themselves and there are kids for just I there is no even reason um it's it's just some things in United States is just fantastic country there

Oxanais so many amazing things so many opportunities that we have here but I think because of the opportunities um uh we are getting crooked as well because

Brian Atlasof too many things that are allowed too many things sure Fair Point Fair Point by the way did I read the one the one from Tim I just just want one woman who I'll make a lot of babies with did I

Brian Atlasread that one yes I just okay I just want to make sure that but we haven't answered probably oh we haven't answered wait we didn't or is it still possible in this world of dating I mean I don't

Oxanaknow if that can you uh can you read yeah don't don't worry about it anything is possible anything whatever you want is possible it just requires some coaching of both people yes anything is

Oxanapossible anything is possible anything is possible depending how much effort you're willing to put into that but anything is POS true true yeah also last thing on the wage Gap I don't think

Brian Atlaslike men aren't going out there trying to occupy the top positions of power and income to oppress women most men are out

Brian Atlasthere trying to make a ton of money so that they can provide for their girlfriend their wife and their kids it's not like this actually you know what there's a tape VI I kind of there's

Brian Atlasa tape let's pull up the tap tape video Nick go find the tape video Pull up the tape video Nick get that tape video Nick get that get the tape video whenever you're ready Nick just grab that tape

Brian Atlasvideo go to videos oh you got it oh what you got it it's in the tape folder Dropbox podcast videos tap uh let's see it is

Brian Atlascalled let me know when you're you're there Nick AE it's garbage man oppression it's the I think the fourth one over

Brian Atlasyou can pull that up for us pause it get it video

SPEAKER_10tab go ahead this is a big point I want to make because women confuse this very often they talk about the fact that men have all the power men make all the money men are in charge and we oppress

SPEAKER_10women let me make something very clear to you firstly you're confusing 1% of men with all men the majority of men have no money no power no sex from their wife no [ __ ] chance in court they

SPEAKER_10can't even keep their house they won't get to see their kids and they don't so most men their life sucks that's the first thing the second thing when a man gets up at 4 in the morning to go carry garbage to earn a good wage he ain't

SPEAKER_10thinking I'm going to do this so I can oppress that [ __ ] cuz she's broke he's doing it thinking so I can provide for my family so my woman can stay at home and raise my kids and have nice nails while I'm out here carrying trash you go

SPEAKER_10to a coal mine those dudes are not down there thinking about oppressing women they're down there thinking about providing for women now I'm not saying that there's not bad apples but in general us men are prepared to take on more [ __ ] to protect you than you

SPEAKER_10would possibly believe and in the the modern world they've spun that feminism spun that men make all the money money you women need more money because men make the money and men are in charge and men have the good jobs men are out here giving up their [ __ ] life for you

SPEAKER_10chicks they're giving up their life for you and and feminism prevents you resp expecting it super [ __ ] based boom well put by Tate let's go around the table I want to

Brian Atlasget everyone's reaction to that your reaction go

Celesteahead one eternity later come on personally I don't like Andrew Tate

Celestebut like Andrew Tate no what's why not um from what I've seen on just soci social media he's very misis and he's

Mandyvery what Mis jistic sorry one more time misis one more time come okay we can move on to the next person no no no well

Brian Atlashold on it's go ahead do you mean misogynistic misogynistic sorry how so um okay well we don't need to get into that let's

Celestejust stick to the video I mean your thoughts on the video besides your do you agree with what he says disagree I do agree yeah I think a lot of men do work to provide for their family for their girlfriends for their

Nicolewives okay I agree with the video I very much think there's a lot of value in the men that will support and provide for the family especially to The Men Who go out and you know pick up trash at 400 in the

Nicolemorning and do those dirty jobs and those hard jobs mad respect for those men I just also am aware that there's a lot of single mothers and women and families that have been left by men who also then are

Mandysole um what is it providers Soul Provider yeah for their family so that's where the importance of wage I um I agree with what he's saying

Mandyjust because you know I grew up with a single father who got up every day at 4:00 5 in the morning and he did what he had to do to take care of his two daughters and I respect that insanely

Oxanaand there's some people that you know don't have you know the help so got to do what he got to do oh yeah absolutely I agree with uh what he saying I hear the same things

Oxanafrom you know from my clients as well you know it's just uh uh the type of things that men have to go through to just uh get noticed to just get um um

Jannaattention yeah I agree as well and uh I would like to highlight uh his perspective on the

Jannavideo if men would have had respect and love when he's back from this uh throwing trash to his bed with Good Wife

Jannawho said thank you so much I was waiting for you till eternity even though it was just 5 minutes right or something like that you know and all this stuff men

Jannawould not have seen it as a tra tragedy or something oppression you know he would feel that he is a hero and uh that

Jannahe gives this energy back this caring energy back you know that's that's the point your reaction to the

Rainavideo yeah I agree with it I also agree yeah I agree with it I think we

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Brian AtlasLegend AB Che man much appreciated I'm a [ __ ] Legend appreciate it dude thank you thank you thank you thank you uh let's see here oh here last thing on ho pays um we'll go around the table on that who should

Celestepay on the first date I think whoever initiates like who wants to take the person on the date first okay so whoever asks should pay yeah have you ever asked a guy out on a

Mandydate I haven't no huh interesting how that works okay I agree with her whoever I should pay yeah have you ever asked a guy out on a date

Mandyno okay I agree with them and I have asked a guy on my dat yeah yeah okay more of all the times that you've been on a first

Brian Atlasdate what's the percentage breakdown of who asks um 90% the time 0 90% of the time the guy I would probably I no not even 90 probably say it's like like

Mandya like a you know I would I probably ask like I probably say like 50/50 cuz I don't really I don't I'm so because of what I do I'm so scared to go out on dates sometimes because of how people

Mandytreat me and how people react but so that's why sometimes I'm the one to ask cuz I'll know I'll feel safe and if I'm okay to ask that person I'm okay to go out with them so I see okay and if I ask

Mandyi' obviously paint cuz you know it was my idea so okay um okay all right uh what about

Oxanayou well in traditional World usually man uh pays however it has to come from his desire to do so if the desire is not

Oxanathere then apparently woman is not doing something enough or whatever if he does not have that desire and if he does not have the desire then they shouldn't be

Jannathey probably should end that date sooner okay I agree agree I agree the same I would appreciate if men would pay

Jannaif the men would ask me to pay or if uh in some couples they ask to pay I would pay no

Taraproblem um I would prefer that the guy pay uh but I have paid before okay I would definitely say whoever initiates

Brian Atlasit have you asked the guy out yeah oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah I don't know why I affected a

RainaCanadian accent there but what about you um no I would never Minnesota maybe I don't know oh God I would never expect a man to pay on a date but um I've never

Brian Atlaspaid for a date okay okay if a guy asked you out on a date he asked you out and the date comes you

Brian Atlasknow you get like uh you guys go out get a meal nothing super fancy maybe it was like like 10 20 bucks each and the check comes and he asks or the waiter comes and the waiter says uh he tells the

Brian Atlaswaiter hey I'd like to split we're going to split will there be a second

Nicoledate if it wasn't communicated before probably not no second date no okay I again agree with what she said

Nicoleyeah I think communicating like hey like are you okay with it or just being like on the jump like oh had it been communicated like sure there could be a second date and um a decision made I

Brian Atlasdon't mind that let's assume that it had not been communicated just you get on you know I assume you guys bring your wallets with you on dates you know you bring your purse or whatever so he's like the

Brian Atlaswaiter comes oh how was the meal oh great great I think we're good to go uh two checks please that's okay yeah I think

Nicoledepending on the way the date goes there or may not be a second date okay um wait well I'm sorry repeat the question uh so okay go on a date with a

Mandyguy he asked you out when the waiter comes he asked to get two checks um I would have mind as two checks like two chains but two two checks it depends on

Brian Atlasum how they treat me if I wanted to go on a second date I I don't really care about splitting check sure let's say the date went well well it wasn't like

Brian Atlasmind-blowing but like in any other circumstance you thought the guy was cool I guess I don't know yeah I go on a second date okay all right would there be a second date I would want to know

Oxanathe reason why there is maybe it is something Eng griefed in his family that's what he saw as his parents you know maybe it is that he doesn't like me uh maybe it is uh maybe he's testing

Jannawhether or not I you know for the normal I would want to know why so so the reason will help you to determine that's fair that's fair what about you that's what I would do too but if he's interesting his personality is

Jannainteresting I would definitely go on a second date but before we would have had conversation why because it's very interesting maybe he doesn't like me but maybe he has different points of view

Taraand then we had a place to discuss and it's cool okay what about you yeah I feel the same way um I probably wouldn't

Tessanot want the second date um um I definitely feel the same way I'd probably get a little anxious and be like oh what did I what did I do um is

Tessahe not feeling me am I not like attractive enough so I'd probably check in and just be like you know hey we didn't you know you were just kind of very nonchalantly like bring two checks

Tessayou know what I mean I'd kind of just be like so is there a reason behind it are we just you know are we just is going to do the 50/50 cuz that's completely fine with me too I'm totally fine with that

Tessabut first meeting someone um I would definitely kind of be like hey what about you yeah like how you were saying earlier it's a man's nature

Rainato be a provider so if he wanted to split the bill I would probably be like oh he definitely doesn't like me cuz he doesn't want to provide for me like if a guy really really likes me he will pursue that he will pursue me in that

Rainaway because that is a man's nature especially if he asked you out yeah 100% And especially if it's a dating process it's not a relationship when you just like yeah in a relationship it's totally

Rainacompletely different but if it's like he asked meow he's seemingly trying to impress me then I don't know like I can pay for my own meal like I don't care I

Brian Atlasdon't try to I don't think you should try to impress a girl on a date why not if you really like well I think a lot of women would just view that as like if the guy's trying to impress you like I

Mandythink a lot of women like the guy who's actually kind of a bit kind of laidback and not mhm trying to do all this extra [ __ ] what do you like think that like

Brian Atlasextra is like what is like like what do they have to do to be well when she was specifically saying like impress like that specific ver uh verbiage or whatever verbiage I don't know if that's the right word there but um I don't

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