SIMP Paid Her Bills On FIRST DATE?! Feminist Until The Check Comes?! | Dating Talk #120

Date: 2023-11-22

Duration: 6h 45m

Guests

Brian Atlas

CCeleste (DT120)>

NNicole (DT120)>

MMandy (DT120)>

OOxana (DT195)>

JJanna (DT120)>

TTessa (DT120)>

RRaina Zuzunaga (DT120)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Nicole(guest)

SPEAKER_03Raina(guest)

SPEAKER_04Tessa(guest)

SPEAKER_05Tara(guest)

SPEAKER_06Mandy(guest)

SPEAKER_07TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_11Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12Oxana(guest)

SPEAKER_13Janna(guest)

SPEAKER_14Celeste(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteBrian introduces himself as representative of the patriarchy and proclaims men have fewer rights than women.

“men have less rights than women and that is an inescapable fact feminism has failed you how can the patriarchy help you today I am the official representative of the patriarchy”

QuoteOxana (matchmaker) argues that a woman can either build or crush her man through how she handles herself with him; gratitude helps man grow.

“woman always builds man with the right way she handles herself with the man she can either build her man or Crush her man”

ControversyTessa challenges Nicole on the contradiction between calling herself a feminist while wanting a full male provider who pays for everything.

“the two they can they can be parallel so then can I ask you something real quick”

QuoteNicole rates herself a 10 on looks.

“um I'd say 10 yeah there's always been for PR shirt but like I think I'm cute”

QuoteBrian self-rates at 5 due to recent weight gain (down from 6).

“I used to say I'm a six I think now I'm a five because I've gained some weight”

ControversyTessa tells Nicole she came on the podcast undereducated, was back-and-forth and confused, and should think more about what she actually wants.

“I think you definitely came on the podcast today very uneducated um I think you were very back and forth”

QuoteBrian plays Andrew Tate clip arguing men working dangerous jobs do so to provide for their families, not to oppress women.

“when a man gets up at 4 in the morning to go carry garbage to earn a good wage he ain't thinking I'm going to do this so I can oppress that”

QuoteTessa describes meeting her current boyfriend who ambushed her with his entire family on the first Tinder date.

“his whole family including Brothers sisters grandfather grandmother they all”

QuoteBrian asks guests to rate themselves 1-10 on looks.

“starting with you and we'll go around the table go ahead Cece”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & relationship status

Guests introduce themselves; relationship statuses revealed. Mandy is in an exclusive situationship since July 4th (~6 months) but not officially in a relationship.

Who should pay on the first date

Discussion on whether men should pay on first dates. Nicole wants provider; Celeste says whoever initiates; Mandy says situation-dependent. Brian argues against feminist who wants both equal pay and traditional treatment.

Feminism and traditional values contradiction

Nicole identifies as feminist but wants provider husband, traditional gender roles, to be stay-at-home wife. Brian and Tessa challenge the contradiction. Wage gap data presented (payscale, Pew Research).

Patriarchy discussion

Guests define and debate the patriarchy. Nicole claims patriarchy exists as male leadership. Brian rejects it, argues gynocentric society. Janna gives Slavic example of abandoned mothers.

Wage gap data presentation

Nick pulls up PayScale controlled vs uncontrolled wage gap charts, Pew Research Center data on young women's earnings, GDP per capita vs median male income, working hours comparison. Discussion of film industry pay disparities.

Andrew Tate clip - men as providers

Clip of Andrew Tate explaining that men working dangerous/dirty jobs do so to provide for family, not to oppress women. All guests react positively.

Roster / dating multiple people

Going around the table: who has had a roster. Celeste: not now (3 people at ~17-18). Nicole: no. Mandy: situationship (quasi-single). Oxana: had roster before husband. Janna: never hookups or one-night stands. Tara: open relationship dating. Tessa: no. Raina: pursued by multiple but no crossover.

Older men dating younger women

Brian presents list of reasons older men prefer younger women (not manipulation). Mandy raises concern that older men manipulate young women. Brian rejects pathologizing of male preferences.

Sugar daddy discussion

Nicole mentions sugar daddy thing traumatizes women; alludes to personal experience but refuses to elaborate. Brian notes women actively seek sugar daddies via apps like Seeking Arrangements.

Self-ratings (1-10 looks)

Guests rate themselves on looks 1-10. Celeste: 10. Nicole: 8 (said 10 initially, walked back). Mandy: 7.5 (8 with humor). Oxana: declined. Janna: 7. Tara: 6-7. Tessa: 3. Raina: 6. Brian: 5 (down from 6 due to weight gain).

What is a woman / transgender debate

Going around table: Celeste says biological woman. Nicole says fine with trans identifying as woman. Mandy says identifies as woman = woman. Oxana: woman is love/care/nurture. Janna: feminine energy, given to you. Tara: open relationship. Tessa: biological only, cites God not making mistakes. Raina: biblical gender differences.

Body count discussion

Body counts: Nicole <5 (declined to specify); Mandy under 20; Oxana declined; Janna <10; Tara: 11; Tessa: 0; Raina: 0. Brian: 11. Discussion on whether body count matters.

Transcript

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Jannauh from maybe month and a half to two month something like that

Tessasure okay Sor as tight and Skip go ahead what about you um I think

TessaI I'd say between two and 3 months I like to get to know the person and be confident that it's not going to be a a I'm going to [ __ ] you and I'm going to block

Brian Atlasyou and while you're waiting for marriage marriage yeah yeah okay all right okay okay I'm trying to find out why do I keep getting skipped well I

Brian Atlasmean it's not the first time that we've gone around the table everybody else is prepared to answer and you've asked me to repeat what the question is because you asked multiple questions you asked

Brian Atlasabout age and you also that's fair but I was going around the table asking how long do you think you should wait for or how long do you like to wait before hooking up with somebody that was the

Taraquestion every single girl here was able switch to age you asked different questions you asked yeah they they just no I asked her about I asked her about height as a clarifying

Brian Atlasquestion because she said she was picky related to the question of how long or how long do you like to wait before having sex but then she answered the question she answered the question this girl here answered the question she

Brian Atlasanswered the question so I sometimes if I don't feel particularly inclined to repeat myself I will just skip yeah but that was that was the I'm not trying to be rude but it was the

Brian Atlassecond time that you perhaps even the third time that you asked me to restate the question

Brian Atlasso it's just like you should try you should be trying to pay attention to the conversation yeah but the it the question Beed off into a different question but okay well the yes but the

Brian Atlasoriginal question was and I mean if you were paying attention to what the other girls were saying you could have perhaps tuned in or tapped in to what the question as I was asking which one did you want me to

Nicoleanswer because they're describing the type of guy in terms of only only she really went into that the last two asked they did they did I've asked you sorry

Nicoleyou've asked asked you to repeat a question and she's trying to do the same thing and she's wondering why you're skipping her you should try to be like you shouldn't have a problem with repeating a question or giving her more

Oxanatime especially if the conversation beers a little bit it's like just that's a fair point that's a fair way women our

Oxanaminds is like out of space yeah you guys are one box and all go we are look I think we the discussion will win from

Brian Atlasthe ter and I think your answer should also be shorter too because that's why there was that confusion there that's fair that's fair however I would encourage you just because it's the second time that you okay forgot the

Brian Atlasquestion please I just asked that you pay attention to the question if you'd like an opportun opportunity now to answer the question you're welcome to so how long would you do you like to or

Tarathink you should wait before first having sex with somebody I think uh there the the there's no specific time it just needs to be time to heal from

Tarathe last relationship and that time varies depending on the person you should never just like do series dating okay sure and if it and if it is the case that

Brian Atlasthere's um interrupting questions where I ask clarifying questions and it's taking a while to get to you I will make it I will make it a point to if you forget what the question is I will I

Brian Atlaswill restate it however I do ask that everybody here at the table try to pay attention to the conversation so that I need not have to constantly repeat

Brian Atlasmyself or ask you guys to speak into the microphone Etc okay so um let's see here where were we I think I was going through some of my notes Here uh let's

Brian Atlassee Mass no we they answered they answered uh let's see um C I had this written down for CeCe

Brian Atlasyou're CeCe right Cel lasta okay I go by CeCe did you answer our pre-show questions I think I I didn't no oh I

Brian Atlashave something written here but oh um do you consider yourself traditional yes I

Celestedo you want me to elaborate sure I'm from a Mexican traditional household so the man's role is to work

Celesteand the woman does the cleaning watches the kids and I grew up in that and that's kind of how I go on about things okay is there any other do you do you care to like add anything to that

Celesteany other metrics with which you consider yourself to be traditional or I mean I am traditional where I

Celesteprefer that the man pays but that depends on certain circumstances sure so yeah okay um I looked at your

Brian AtlasInstagram I don't even know if we can pull it up because there is a photo on your Instagram I don't know if we pull it up

Brian Atlasbecause I feel like the photo [ __ ] t almost to I'm surprised it I don't know there's a photo

Brian AtlasCC on your Instagram and it's like looking right down Main Street is it the Hawaii one

Brian Atlasthe one I'm not sure where the location is but your body positioning is interesting which one are you talking about about I I think I know but I I

Brian Atlaslike want there's a beach okay yeah there's a bikini that's my Hawaii picture I'm like I'm looking down looking at the photo chat can I I

Brian Atlasfeel like I can't even hold on let me let me ask the chat chat go to her Instagram I'm I'm doing you a solid here go go to her Instagram go to her

Brian AtlasInstagram and uh pull up her Instagram it's in the description you guys will see the photo I'm talking about is it to would it be to to pull it up I don't

Brian Atlasthink it's safe for YouTube I I genuinely do not chat one in the chat I don't think I don't think it's

Brian Atlassafe don't do it boys I don't think it's safe to pull up cuz it's like on the edge I'm Sur can you like put something over or no should a blur or something

Brian Atlaslike kind of blur it I don't know if that's I don't think we can can do that I don't think we can do it hey cake emojis let's just say you're essentially

Brian Atlasit's a basically a you're in doggy position and it's like here's your ass here's the guy taking the maybe it's a chick taking a photo and I'm like you're looking right

Brian Atlasdown Main Street and you're wearing granted you're wearing a bikini is it traditional I don't

Brian Atlasknow I I don't know I'm leaning towards no the butt ref thong photo they're looking so they know they are looking but chat chat have you pulled it up do

Brian Atlasyou know what I can't pull it up because I I feel like it's probably against YouTube TOS she's just lifting blank to drop a truck stop fart relax girls do it all the time when they don't realize the

Tessacamera is on that's true that one was good that one was good I you you know women fart too thank you

Celestelayoff Brian I you know can you be traditional I mean if I'm in a relationship and someone doesn't like that I would gladly take it

SPEAKER_00down but I'm [Music]

Rainasingle okay I'm going to change it back to Brian I yeah can I add to that though yeah if so what does a traditional man look to you like what is the definition

Rainaof a traditional man like a provider okay so like I guess I guess what the chat's kind of saying and how people perceive

Rainalike traditional men and women like would a traditional man want like before you're even with him like seeing that so many people have seen this this picture

Brian Atlasof you and seen this side of you like would he want that I mean necessarily not but there'll be others that would still want that and want to provide for me she is 411 she's

Raina411 411 I just think your chances of finding a traditional man that would want to provide for you and I I'm not saying there isn't men out there like

Rainathat um but I think the chances are a lot more slim she is 411 I think the chances are more I mean I have found traditional men that

Jannahave to WR probably 410 but she's claiming 411 410 and a half he's right okay guys let's not pretend that men

Jannadon't like sexuality beautiful lady that uh no one wants be like oh my God no no no I never wanted to be her in like my

Jannaapartment or something let's not go like that because we all understand that man of course likes sexuality like Beauty different types of beauty and of course

Jannasome men likes this type of beauties or some men like this type of openness and so on so kind of I I think chances for

Jannaprovider sorry higher there than like in different if if um either Inu or in

TTS/Donationseither donated $100 I got pink eye just looking at

Tessait shows off the goods look it shows off the I think just she's 410 just remember that just my point that's my more my uh but I I he wants it I think it's that's

Brian Atlasnot really what we're talking about I think we're more so just talking about that she said that she's traditional but so what's what's a

Brian Atlastraditional women well part of being I my argument would be part of being a traditional woman one of the things would be modesty both in appearance and

Brian Atlasin demeanor and personality and so having a publicly available F granted I mean you do only fans too but having a

Brian Atlaspublicly on your public Instagram page a photo of like this is what you would see if you were hidden it from the back

Brian Atlasyou know like you know what I mean like it's a little it's nice photo don't get me wrong but is it tradition does it

Brian Atlascoincide with being a traditional woman I mean no I don't think so you know but I don't we need to correct the path pull

Brian Atlasout your phone right now do we allow do we allow the the archive do we allow the archive can we allow the archive or do

TTS/Donationsyou got to delete it should she delete it chat $100 excuse I'm looking but I ain't providing to that lack of modesty it's okay someone else will okay

Brian AtlasI'm looking but I ain't providing to that lack of modesty n line RH thank you sir that's much

Brian Atlasappreciated are you down we're going to we're going to correct the path are you down to take that photo

TTS/Donationsdown right now yeah you'll do it for me a babe not for you not for you Bab pop that ring again you're the best um here I'm going pull grid One Motorsports

TTS/Donationsdonated $100 if you want a relationship dress act and be about finding a relationship us picks on the web our red flags and at best good for now girls not wife

Jannamaterial if you want to be a party host o it look but there is her choice you know how to appear how to it's just her risks her chances her life

Jannauh it's just more about maybe we're talking about uh kind of not a term like definition I am a traditional woman but more um she leans towards Traditional

JannaValues she doesn't sleep with every each guy uh every each day because some other girls who doesn't look like like beautifully like this girl can have hooks up every day every day and you

Jannawill never know and you will never judge them I mean not personally Jud still judge no but you personally you personally yes but you're like yeah we

Jannadon't count on you anymore okay but guys you know probably they have higher chances but I mean you know sometimes what we see it's kind not what

Jannais she can be modest but we of course know this she she leans towards Traditional Values she need she wants traditional husbands she wants

Jannatraditional kids and she doesn't sleep with everyone one I I'm more than don't we don't know no no but I mean hypothetically you know what I mean that when you J that is a fair that is

Brian Atlasactually a very fair argument because there is this sort of I don't know if this is the right word almost dogmatic it's black or white like you have to be 100% traditional in every single regard

Brian Atlasand if you deviate even slightly then you are you know I it is a spectrum I guess you could say so and that's something I've that is actually very

Brian Atlasgood counterargument one that I just let me um that is something that I I I think I've struggled to combat when it comes

Brian Atlasto this sort of debate is well clearly like you need not be a hunt if we view being traditional as to some degree of spectrum like maybe you fall like

Brian Atlasvery strongly traditional but in some aspects you might not be totally traditional and that could apply for both men and women

Brian Atlasum so that is a fair point however the Chan is however I do think one of the big components of being traditional a very

Brian Atlasimportant component let's say using your point she might not be promiscuous and might not sleep with a bunch of men whatever that's a very desirable thing um and in

Brian Atlasthat Dimension she is a traditional woman however I think you have tra being traditional is to some degree is the totality of of everything together I

Brian Atlasthink modesty is a big thing when it comes to being traditional So within that Paradigm of being traditional I think she's um falling

Jannashort she's lacking modesty in that regard and she also we can uh judge uh modesty by uh appearance just only appearance of course there's a lot of

Jannafactors it's a lot of factors tomorrow she will wear sport wear for you no lashes like this is that true babe you going wear some SP for me you going to wear some you will date her first date

Jannayou will ask her for first date you will NE she will close her Instagram with pictures you will never see it and you will never recognize in her you know someone who you will never say oh she's

Oxananot traditional she's not she's not she just needs a little bit of a guidance what it is to be traditional adjustment she needs yeah partner needs to be coachable just guys what do you think about that bowing you like the bow can I

Jannasee a bow can you do a bow really quick no bow maybe later you want a bow from a Russian third date maybe about on the third date

Oxanahuh okay good talk good talk where were we I forgot where we were I don't remember the traditional woman always says yes so when he says yeah yeah yeah

Brian Atlasyeah come on all right uh oh so last thing guys what's what's your Instagram again guys go to CC guys one in the chat check out her

Brian AtlasInstagram there's one specific photo it's like a red is it a red bikini it's orange okay is it traditional she says she's a traditional woman but if you look at her Instagram is she traditional

Brian Atlasone in the chat if she's traditional two in the chat if she's not traditional two in the chat if she is not traditional one in the chat I mean they're just looking at my

Brian Atlaspictures wait did I just flip those did I just did I I think you get confused did I get confused I'm easily confused two in the chat if it's not traditional

Jannaone in the chat if it's traditional it's a cliche of course everyone it's very easy to judge from like the first take you know it's easy to judge we all love

Brian Atlasjudging but sometimes we are very uh mistaken also um I just on that photo you guys all have to leave a comment and it just has say misogynist okay just say

Brian Atlasthat's so mean that's why I said no don't worry about that okay just don't let him get under your skin seriously I love this because comment Brian's a

Brian Atlasmisogynist or something I on on her post just write Brian's a misogynist okay okay all right cool cool cool uh where were we oh okay so we got

Brian AtlasCeCe here who we got we have to get to Tessa huh you are a welder slan animal caretaker welder oh okay I didn't

Brian Atlasknow that yes I do welding at the r you're cons okay oh into the M oh sorry yeah I wed too okay you're conservative traditional uh you have a scorpion tattoo also what's the origin story on

Tessathe scorpion tattoo um the smaller they are the more poison they have and it's like right here mhm on next to your no it's it's higher up on my

Tessastomach so it's on my stomach it's not lower down but it's it's like I it's in the vicinity yeah I wanted it on my stomach and I just didn't like how it looked higher placement so I was like

Brian Atlaswe'll bring it down I see okay uh you said you dated a deadbeat bull rider you were engaged and found out you were cheated on multiple times yes so he was

Tessaa bull rid bull fighter or bull rider bull rider bull rider he rode Bulls yeah he couldn't last 8 seconds though so are we still talking about bull riding we're still talking about bull riding okay just wanted to double

Brian Atlascheck um how long did he you know last in other

Tessadepartments I never you don't have to yeah why do you want I'm not really sure honestly yeah let's go with that okay I play the fifth actually related to that

Brian Atlasis it a deal breaker if a guy is a premature ejaculate that's a first for the whatever podcast why not

Brian Atlasis it a deal breaker CC yeah for mature shh [ __ ] [ __ ] he comes too fast oh my gosh sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry it's good it's good we'll work on it we're

Brian Atlaswe'll work on it you just broke his heart again fck [ __ ] part two [ __ ] dude 410 [ __ ] yeah he's going to start

Brian Atlasthrowing [ __ ] um is it a deal breaker for you Nicole Nicole Nicole into the

Nicolemic poor faor I would just say work on that like I don't know I don't know what I don't know what do you mean you don't

Brian Atlasknow of course you know I right wouldn't I suppose you would know um that mic is right there for you whenever you get a sec can you I've had that happen before

Brian Atlasand I wasn't like judgmental it's like I need to be more sarcastic with the talking oh my God Nicole I'm choking sorry go

Brian AtlasAhad I'll pass this question because of the premature ejaculation thing like is it a deal breaker no okay that's cool

Mandywhat about Mandy what about you um if you come fast but you eat [ __ ] I'm all with it okay we can talk about that

Oxanatoo um no not a deal breaker it's the on the I I guess I'm trying to see the positive in uh in people and everything and it could mean that he feels very

Oxanaspecial that the woman he's with is super super special yeah that he cannot hold him like he's ready to marry her right like the [ __ ] is so good it like he can't it just boom like she's so

Brian Atlasspecial yeah but [ __ ] women should view premature ejaculation not as a deficit in men but really it's it's it's a compliment that you go you're that hot

Brian Atlasyou're that sexy the pussy's that bomb son exactly yeah we got to reframe it don't don't yeah it's a compliment it's a compliment ladies yeah in the chat

Jannaeverybody will be saying it's me it's me what about you remember I'm boring and uh if we stop the

JannaC go ahead if we if we reach this point when I know when he comes right so it means I spent with him maybe months or

Jannatwo months and so so on so for me it would not be a deal breaker I would like to I would try to understand what is going on like you know maybe we're not too sexy a lury for for him to last

Jannalonger yeah something like that you know I will not the lingerie makes him last longer exactly that's a new one I haven't heard that no just maybe I'm Too

Brian AtlasSexy following up conversation I see yeah yeah very sexy for him okay what about you yeah it would be a deal

Tessabreaker okay MH what about you no it wouldn't at all okay I don't think it would be but yeah

Rainayou're like I'm not very educated on you've not had the experience but the thing is like if I'm having sex with someone it's because I'm married to them and so I'm already committed to them

Rainaregardless so it's something that you you work on together so based Absolut it's beautiful um

Oxanaum till death do us part Y in sickness regardless of anything in sickness and in we all die in everything and we have

Brian Atlasa lot of suppliers have any of you guys experienced that like a guy just comes too quick have you guys have you CCE

Brian Atlasyes Nicole have you had that experience again just little quick on the

Brian Atlasyeah yeah yeah yes yeah okay Mandy yes I have okay but you said oh if

Brian Atlashe eats [ __ ] it makes okay yes yes here related oh I guess we'll go has it happened to you yeah a lot a lot

Tessayeah she got the bomb [ __ ] I guess okay um yeah all the okay wow all right it's never happen to me I feel like I got the reverse I'm too

Brian Atlasuneducated on this topic sit over there sometimes I feel like I got the reverse problem like a t okay whatever um not always though sometimes I don't

Brian Atlasknow sometimes you know whatever um is it a deal breaker going off of what Mandy over here said if he doesn't go down on you oh no yeah for sure deal

Brian AtlasBreer yeah rip all right RP in the chat um it's not going to work out between me and CeCe unfortunately I do not I'm not a munch I do not do

TTS/Donationsthat you for real everybody learned something new about you GD One Motorsports donated $100 Ryan doesn't do that he has a very

Brian Atlasreal fear of dying meeting a bad clown that's facts that's facts I'm scared I'm kind of scared I'm a little frent you know apparently there's uh was it

Brian AtlasMichael Douglas he got do from eating [ __ ] huh yeah he got throat cancer from he ate some [ __ ] and that's how he

Tessagot throat cancer wa you need to choose there there's something in discharge that is not Health HP it's like yeah eat a clean [ __ ] then exactly wipe yourself

Brian Atlasand then no you use some water like take a shower see here's here's the thing right wait oh did we go around the table on the is it a deal breaker deal breaker for the guy doesn't go down on you maybe

Brian AtlasI'm just inexperienced but no based okay she's redeeming herself no for me yes deal breaker the guy

Rainadoesn't eat [ __ ] no no um the fifth from what I know from

Rainareading the Bible it says that once you're married you give your body fully over to that person that you're with and vice versa so I think that if it's something that I enjoy that my husband

Rainashould do that for me and I [Music] would so okay we'll find out I guess we will

Jannafind out yeah they um I know the expression that is like the higher love is the lower kisses

Mandyare it's in both Sid okay hold on just what you got something go ahead I was going to say that um I don't know you guys can disag

Mandyagree with me whatever um but I've heard from a lot of women that they can't come from penetration so that's why they ask for head and it feels very good just

Brian Atlaslike you guys love head we love head too so I'm the opposite oh well congratulations cuz damn yeah well see okay so I'll I'll I'll give my take on this I

Brian Atlaspersonally I haven't gone down on the girl since the Bush Administration that's 2007 that's crazy 2008 maybe yeah it's been a it's been a long time are

Brian Atlasyou okay was a child they took a law I was a child I have not gone down on I did it a couple times it wasn't my thing did they come of course they came what are you talking

Brian Atlasabout of course they are you sure even though even though I did it only a few times I Was A

Brian Atlasartiste you see I am an artist I don't know about that artist in any case I it wasn't for me don't get me wrong love

Brian Atlas[ __ ] pussy's great just not my thing however it is my when it comes to female pleasure it is also my view that I want

Brian Atlasto make my girl come first before me preferably multiple times if possible and we can do we can achieve this either through hands

Brian Atlassex if possible sometimes like you said some women it's difficult for them to uh come from sex uh so we can employ hands I go to town with hands hands are

Brian Atlasgreat got hands all right all right or toys I'm okay with toys some guys are not okay with toys I don't mind toys makes my job easier makes my job

Jannaeasier and I want her to come before me is it okay for you if a girl have same uh Vision on like

Jannawhat doing something talking about or oral for you if she has a what if if she also had bad experiences or whatever she doesn't um it's a little

Brian Atlasit's a little disappointing but it's honestly it's not a deal breaker like if a girl some now there's also the other component though of like it's a

Brian Atlasretributive retributive retributive Revenge almost thing or a tit fortat thing it's like oh well if you won't do it then I won't do it then that that's a

Brian Atlaslittle okay look if I'm if she doesn't want to do it of course I'm not like if she doesn't want to do it that's totally her call but it one it's like okay she's

Brian Atlasdoing it like out of Revenge because I won't do it I kind of feel that's kind of it I feel like there doesn't always have to be 100% reciprocity in every single action or behavior in the same

Brian Atlasway that she wants a guy to pay for the first date she doesn't reciprocate by then paying for First Dates when it comes to sexual things um just because I want to [ __ ] a girl in the ass doesn't mean she has to [ __ ] me in the ass you

Brian Atlasknow of course you know it doesn't have to be exactly you know yeah but maybe you're a perfect match you know you're the same and there's I've encountered women who some women don't like getting

Brian Atlashead they maybe what for whatever reason it's not 100% a deal breaker though if she doesn't want to do it but it's

Brian Atlasbetter if she does it's better if she does so true word huh okay good talk uh let's see here where oh the bull rider

Brian Atlasthat's how we got derailed you said he was a deadbeat bull rider what made him a deadbeat my dear um he for example he stole my

Tessacredit card um love it for a second and spent like $600 got me in like deep credit um all

Brian Atlasof this stuff said he was going to pay me back never paid me back oh I don't know what is that it's a back buddy or it's a theane or something

Brian Atlasit's for self massage theane theane it's for massage don't don't get weird with

Brian Atlasit it's not like a sex no no no not you her it's not like a sex or something purely innocent

TessaGadget the deadbeat how was he dead um disappearing in the middle of the

Tessanight to go see other women bringing my dog to meet my old best friend to [ __ ] her with my dog in the room while I was

Tessaa at home sleeping stin and I hope this woman is watching this because you know that I hate you what you you want to say look into that camera right there this staple

TessaI hate you Dam why her if it was he because she knew uh it happened multiple times and I reached out to her after we had gotten engaged and she said oh my God I had no

Tessaidea I thought you guys were just dating okay what what difference ma'am what difference MH [Laughter] absolutely wait so hold on just a second

Brian Atlasum uh I thought he was like cuz that kind of gangster like if your girlfriend has a dog and you use that dog to like get other chicks that's kind of gangster

Tessamy dog is now a trained protection dog because of that situation so she is like solely my dog and I have trained her to

Tessalike she never is apart from me really right now she's with my mother okay because she trusts my mother but I will just be like yeah attack so you take the

Brian Atlasdog what but he did he like use the dog to try to like impress yes like oh check out my dog cuz we was like dogs right yes I see and and he took it he took it

Tessain the middle of the night we weren't living together at this time he came into my house took my dog and went and saw another woman oh [ __ ] yeah so yeah

Brian Atlasgood times yeah times what so you said he stole your was it your credit card yes and he how much did he charge on the

Tessacredit card between $500 and $600 nice good times when I was 18 like freshly 18 had no idea about a lot of [ __ ] yeah

Tessathat's awesome that's awesome uh he was a dead beat what else

Tessaum he was very like victimizing and manipulative so anything didn't go his way and it was like I'm going to delete

Tessamyself okay that's a yikes yeah and it was immediately going to that and then turning it around on me when I would um keep in mind I was like madly in love

Tessawith this kid you know what I mean I would break down doors because he would post a picture of you know like I'm going to delete myself and so I would come to his house and literally break

Tessadown a door and then it would just be like uh it's your fault it's from what you said it's from what you did when it could be from anything as little

Tessaof I went to work and I didn't text him for two hours he would show up at my work if I did not speak to him he would go up to my co-workers asking if I had a

Brian Atlaslike a work boyfriend like just very like things like that very very odd damn that's [ __ ] up now was he like the the

Tessathreats of self-d deltion was that like a manipulation tool or was it like serious cuz some people use that um I think there was one time that it was serious I

Tessathink there was one time where um it was very serious but I think most of the times it it really wasn't uh it would be like a he would make a

Tessastory that had the same name and as his main story but he'd only add me to it so I was the only person that could see that he was posting that he was going to you know delete himself and then I would

Tessacome give him the attention that he wanted and it was totally okay like I mean I would even go as far as to he would go as far as to be I would say I don't want to have sex tonight I've had a really long day you know I just want

Tessato go to sleep yeah well if you don't do that I'm going to go tonight and go delete myself or I'm going to go tonight and go find another woman like things like that and I would like sit there and be like

Brian Atlaswhat yikes it's yikes it's yikes they professional help me that's uh the man that I have now is amazing though he's nothing like that got a chat here nine line also red button up I'm so glad

Tessafemales like you exist no offense to any of you other beautiful women yeah yeah I exist [ __ ] yeah my mom

Brian Atlasgave birth to me let's go lfg okay shrimp scampy donated 69 hey thank you

Brian Atlasman oh did it get skipped that's weird uh grow up take take care of your lady if you busted too

Brian Atlasearly also it's quality it's 100% skill when you master it I promise you won't be forgettable eating oh right yes I think that's towards you I think that's

Brian Atlasfor you towards me I take care of my lady in other ways I take care of her in other ways Spidey fingers hands the peen

Mandyyou got to eat it spider you got to eat it eat it you know what if uh that [ __ ] maybe if she was a virgin maybe if she was a virgin but like what that's C are you a virgin no I'm stick your dick in

Tessasomebody else and you're not going to eat their [ __ ] what do you mean totally different totally different talk about that's crazy but you stick your dick in women and we have to suck your dick

Brian Atlasexactly that's exactly what you have to do no thank you thank you for our are yes that is that's exactly

Brian Atlasyes yes I will not deny it ah good talk CRA

Brian AtlasC okay we have uh Jake Larson longtime listener first time as Brian's Splenda daddy oh oh thank you would the last

Tessadate a man Witten there's another one there's another one that he commented saying that it was botched and he said that he was asking if a woman would date a man who owns a gun okay yeah we'll go around

Brian Atlason the table on this really quick uh starting with you would you date a guy who owns a gun yeah as long as we're not crazy okay true yeah like what she said

Mandyas long as you're not crazy um as long as it's licensed and it's put away from any like hold like anyone like that is younger or not you

Oxanaknow okay in the head yeah what about you uh yeah it just has to be hidden and what are we does your husband does he own a gun or uh my husband doesn't uh my former fiance who is the father of my

Jannachild he does gotcha what about you I don't know I'm not familiar to this with this culture too much so probably for me it would be time to adjust would be

Jannaneeded to to see how it is because if I if he would be seed next to me with a gun constantly I don't know sure what

Tessaabout you I am a gun owner so yes oh yes there you have it mhm I am also a gun owner so yes okay what about you uh yeah

Brian Atlasmy family owns guns but there you have it Jake Larson we have Zack Jenkins here J Janna I'm 38 a former Marine and

Jannabluecolor man will you marry me propose to me and who knows maybe yes okay he paid $100 to propose to you

Brian Atlasright now what do you mean yeah that is a here I will I am Zach Jenkins I'm his proxy I his agent mhm on behalf of then you need to arrange the cere

Oxanaproper ceremony to us you know and to give us will you marry Zach Jenkins of course but can can they have at least a coffee together at least you know all

Brian Atlasright start with a coffee okay uh we have LP here coming in hot whoa even tomboys like red Buton top love toxic

Tessa[ __ ] boys regular nice guys have no chance # sad my boyfriend is a nice guy and he's shorter than me so yeah they do period loose [ __ ] energy coming after

Brian Atlasall the red [ __ ] aren't you yeah he has it mad you big mad he's had it out for the women in the red tonight uh let's see wait you're how

Tessatall are you and how tall is your boyfriend right now I am 58 and he is he's only like an inch or two shorter than me cool but I can't like when I wear when I put my boots on for work if

Brian Atlashe hasn't put on his boots yet it's like a it's like a it's like a you know yeah well speaking of that we should go around on the height question so how tall are you and do you have like a bare

Brian Atlasminimum height do you have a height preference you know sometimes we often hear six feet in above so uh what's your height do you have a height preference

Celestego ahead I'm 411 and as long as they're taller than me which they should be like five feet five uh like 52 and the above

Brian Atlasokay well that's that's generous uh you said uh how many like boyfriends would you say you've had just like in general or short boyfriends no just boyfriends

Celesteum I've had like three um and three boyfriends how tall were your three boyfriends um usually like 510 6 feet I've had a shorter boyfriend that

Nicolewas like 53 5'4 one of them was five okay yeah one was shorter what about you high preference yeah how tall are you in high preference I'm 5'6 and I as long as I feel like I'm he's taller than me in

Mandyheels or at least the same height as me in heels yeah can you scoot your microphone to the very edge of the table thank you what about you I'm 5'7 and no

Brian AtlasI don't have a hyp preference okay how tall is your current guy Ting oh um I think we're about the same eye it might be like an inch shorter because

Mandycuz I know like I get that like those moments where like I'm laying in bed with him and like my feet are past his feet tall [ __ ] now I don't know um

Oxanayeah it's nice what about you I'm 5'9 uh my husband's slightly uh taller than me but uh really the height doesn't really matter everybody what about you doesn't

Jannareally matter uh I'm 55 and like 55 is also fine or taller okay what about uh

Tarawhat about you I am 5' 4

Tessaand I prefer a guy between 5' 6 and 5'9 okay I am 58 and I've never dated a man shorter than me until my

Tessarelationship now but it's definitely shown me that short Kings uh are pretty cool so no no matter anymore at least there you have it let go I'm 58 I'm just going to tilt this down I'm 5'8 and yeah

RainaI prefer someone who's taller than me but my dad's the short King and he's is the best man I've ever met in my life so my dad's 5'5 is he shorter than you yeah my dad's 5'5 and my mom's 5'8 so there

Brian Atlasyou have it folks there you have it let me get through some of my other notes Here we have I finally want to get to

Brian Atlaslet's see hold up uh We've did done that uh huh okay bringing it back to Nicole yikes young women should be aware of

Brian Atlaspower dynamics and intention when getting involved with men what so what do you mean by that what do you mean by power

Nicoledynamics I guess it's just like um more of like naivity in young women and like they can be coerced or like persuaded

Nicoleinto situations that at first may appear okay but then like later on like looking back like it cannot be okay yeah sorry sorry but yeah just um

Nicoleum be careful of like the men trying to play play you you know on so but so when you say power dynamics what are you talking about um like yeah I say I want

Nicolea provider but then also people who have like the money and stuff will use that as an advantage to try to like manipulate or coers or you know pray upon naivity with young

Brian Atlaswomen couldn't couldn't I just reverse this and women are actually praying on men with money and using them for their money can I just reverse that you could say that okay also I would argue that I

Brian Atlasthink women are much more socially attuned than men are generally especially even like I think socially women are far more competent than men are especially like you take the average

Brian Atlaslike 20-year-old woman compare her to the average 20-year-old man she's probably had a lot more experience when it comes to dating I'd say most not all

Brian Atlaswomen but most women can absolutely run circles around men uh socially so we can also take it from like I think women have a lot of power

Brian Atlasthat is often times overlooked in a lot of ways okay okay um but it's interesting though

Brian Atlasthat you say that there's this power Dynamic of men with money but you also want a guy to be a provider like you said that's your type as a provider guy

Brian Atlasso on one hand you view it at you want a provider but you also seem to in consider that an unfair power Dynamic so

Brian Atlashow do you reconcile wanting a man with money who can be a provider but so you are you saying you want an unfair power Dynamic I'm a little confused no just

Nicoleintentionality what does that mean like it depends on what the guys intentions are what are okay like if he's like not going to follow through or like you know know play the power Dynamic of like I

Nicolehave this power and like oh you fell for this facade and then just like that like that happens to young woman all the time

Brian Atlasoh okay I think I so you mean like a guy who maybe puts on an act like he's got money like the guy from you I'm not sure

Tessawhat um how he puts up that facade and then he kills women what the [ __ ] you know well there's one example that's an extreme yeah

Brian Atlasum wait so you're saying there are scenarios where men and I I don't think you're wrong where men will like Flex on Instagram oh look at my watch look at my

Brian Atlas[ __ ] superar but actually that's a rental actually they're not that maybe they even lie about their job are you kind of talking about that like men who claim or or men who say well down the

Brian Atlasroad I will provide but never end up providing what do you mean um get this girl another energy drink yes please

Nicoleum like I said like the intentionality and if you're not like coercion happens a lot for like young women or it can and I think young women it's specifically like with the whole like sugar baby

Brian Atlasthing going on you know trying to influence women to I don't know I just think it's like a I kind of I just want to you said the word coercion a couple times I just and I pulled up the definition because I just want to be

Brian Atlassuper sure that we're talking about the same thing here so coercion the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats when you use the word coercion is that what you're

Nicoletalking about I just want to be very precise in the conversation we're having um that might not be the intent of the male but that does come that does tend to happen sometimes so you're T within

Brian Atlasthe context of the guy being a high earner or being a provider how do you see a guy coercing a woman within this

Nicolecontext just praying on young naive women really how how so how so how are how are the men praying on women oh like

Nicoleum here like let's go on a date like oh like let's build a relationship and then just not following through and I mean that's perfectly fine to choose not to have a relationship with someone I

Nicoleunderstand that completely no that's not what I meant I meant like more so like let's go on a trip and then you're stuck and like it's like whatever that's me go on a trip and then you're stuck never

Brian Atlasmind no no no but you can't talk about it anymore not you're okay you provided these pre-show notes to us in our thing like why this is the whole purpose of a

Brian Atlasconversation I think intentionality is important and yeah you already said that but I'm asking you mentioned the trip thing look you mentioned the trip thing I'm these are words that came out of

Nicoleyour mouth yeah I'm just trying to understand your position that's why I'm asking clarifying questions men can betray themselves as something they're not and then when you are with them they can

Brian Atlasreveal like true colors like Abus abusive you got to like talk into the okay

Jannayourin go ahead but so probably she means abusive Behavior you know when manipulators donated $100 so are you

TTS/Donationswomen only able to be manipulated or coerced by a potential partner or is it possible you that a narrative perhaps feminism could have manipulated you that's a good one and to add to seberg

Brian Atlasalso men can be coerced and manipulated by women like this isn't just a gender one directional unidirectional thing where it's just all men are just doing

Brian Atlasthis to women I think both men and women can be toxic and doing these toxic things but um I'm trying to get at the Crux of you seem to be framing this from young women

Nicoleshould be aware of power dynamics and intentions when getting involved with men yeah and I think that's not like all cases like there's just like extreme cases but sure AB more of a rarity and

Nicolethat was just like I didn't really mean to go too in depth on that topic but it was just like something yeah but okay so you're saying like guys not trying to remember precisely what you said like guys not being

Nicolesaying they'll be providers but not actually being providers um kind of or no that's not really what I'm referring to because that's like obviously a choice and like

Nicolecommunication's like a huge thing but yeah um I'm more of referring to like specifically targeting young women and manipulating them how

Nicolehow you know I know what she's meaning no no no no let her answer go ahead

Nicolemaybe just like sex trafficking for example sex trafficking mhm well I I have oh my God grid One Motorsports donated

TTS/Donations$100 [ __ ] sake sugar babies are literally women using men for theer wallets often promising sex with no intention of having it honestly poet

TTS/Donationsuniversity has failed you please get out of SE and learn do you want to respond to grid One Motorsports yeah me [Music]

Brian Atlastoo intentionality in intentionality okay so just to respond to your thing uh obviously sex trafficking is ter

Brian Atlasterrible I don't think in general dating Dynamics sex trafficking is I don't know what the frequency of sex trafficking is

Brian Atlasthat's a very outlier situation yeah but so but this seems like a more generalized statement you have here young women should be aware of power dynamics and intentions

Brian Atlaswhen getting involved with men also just like the sketchy situations that can end up in basically to be aware of okay but you said so men trying to manipulate

Brian Atlasyoung women how are men manipulating selling dreams like you hear selling dreams selling dreams so like what would be example of selling a

Nicoledream coercion coow okay but you can't like making false promises like oh if you do this I'm going to fulfill this for you

Brian Atlasand this and this and then not falling through and then that sounds like every relationship in the history of humanity to some degree but that's fine but don't specifically Target give me an examp give me an example of that give me an

Brian Atlasexample of that so saying you will do something but not falling through because I would argue that like most relationships like for example in a relationship in a lot of relationships people probably say I will love you

Brian Atlasforever right now that's not a legally binding that's not legally binding to say you'll love somebody forever because clearly people say that and they break

TTS/Donationsup implicit uncore incore her underscore statement donated $100 is that if a WN has sex w/n he owes

TTS/Donationsher a lifetime of resources it's her slavery [ __ ] power Dynamic and coercion is code talk for if I [ __ ] him he owes me money if not he tricked

Brian Atlasme no wow that could be the nail on the head I don't know but you say you seem to disagree with this that's why I'm trying to ask questions so you said it was selling the

Brian Atlasdream so like how I'm just kind of done with this conversation what I need another energy drink like why are you done with the conversation I'm

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