SIMP Paid Her Bills On FIRST DATE?! Feminist Until The Check Comes?! | Dating Talk #120

Date: 2023-11-22

Duration: 6h 45m

Guests

Brian Atlas

CCeleste (DT120)>

NNicole (DT120)>

MMandy (DT120)>

OOxana (DT195)>

JJanna (DT120)>

TTessa (DT120)>

RRaina Zuzunaga (DT120)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Nicole(guest)

SPEAKER_03Raina(guest)

SPEAKER_04Tessa(guest)

SPEAKER_05Tara(guest)

SPEAKER_06Mandy(guest)

SPEAKER_07TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_11Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12Oxana(guest)

SPEAKER_13Janna(guest)

SPEAKER_14Celeste(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteBrian introduces himself as representative of the patriarchy and proclaims men have fewer rights than women.

“men have less rights than women and that is an inescapable fact feminism has failed you how can the patriarchy help you today I am the official representative of the patriarchy”

QuoteOxana (matchmaker) argues that a woman can either build or crush her man through how she handles herself with him; gratitude helps man grow.

“woman always builds man with the right way she handles herself with the man she can either build her man or Crush her man”

ControversyTessa challenges Nicole on the contradiction between calling herself a feminist while wanting a full male provider who pays for everything.

“the two they can they can be parallel so then can I ask you something real quick”

QuoteNicole rates herself a 10 on looks.

“um I'd say 10 yeah there's always been for PR shirt but like I think I'm cute”

QuoteBrian self-rates at 5 due to recent weight gain (down from 6).

“I used to say I'm a six I think now I'm a five because I've gained some weight”

ControversyTessa tells Nicole she came on the podcast undereducated, was back-and-forth and confused, and should think more about what she actually wants.

“I think you definitely came on the podcast today very uneducated um I think you were very back and forth”

QuoteBrian plays Andrew Tate clip arguing men working dangerous jobs do so to provide for their families, not to oppress women.

“when a man gets up at 4 in the morning to go carry garbage to earn a good wage he ain't thinking I'm going to do this so I can oppress that”

QuoteTessa describes meeting her current boyfriend who ambushed her with his entire family on the first Tinder date.

“his whole family including Brothers sisters grandfather grandmother they all”

QuoteBrian asks guests to rate themselves 1-10 on looks.

“starting with you and we'll go around the table go ahead Cece”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & relationship status

Guests introduce themselves; relationship statuses revealed. Mandy is in an exclusive situationship since July 4th (~6 months) but not officially in a relationship.

Who should pay on the first date

Discussion on whether men should pay on first dates. Nicole wants provider; Celeste says whoever initiates; Mandy says situation-dependent. Brian argues against feminist who wants both equal pay and traditional treatment.

Feminism and traditional values contradiction

Nicole identifies as feminist but wants provider husband, traditional gender roles, to be stay-at-home wife. Brian and Tessa challenge the contradiction. Wage gap data presented (payscale, Pew Research).

Patriarchy discussion

Guests define and debate the patriarchy. Nicole claims patriarchy exists as male leadership. Brian rejects it, argues gynocentric society. Janna gives Slavic example of abandoned mothers.

Wage gap data presentation

Nick pulls up PayScale controlled vs uncontrolled wage gap charts, Pew Research Center data on young women's earnings, GDP per capita vs median male income, working hours comparison. Discussion of film industry pay disparities.

Andrew Tate clip - men as providers

Clip of Andrew Tate explaining that men working dangerous/dirty jobs do so to provide for family, not to oppress women. All guests react positively.

Roster / dating multiple people

Going around the table: who has had a roster. Celeste: not now (3 people at ~17-18). Nicole: no. Mandy: situationship (quasi-single). Oxana: had roster before husband. Janna: never hookups or one-night stands. Tara: open relationship dating. Tessa: no. Raina: pursued by multiple but no crossover.

Older men dating younger women

Brian presents list of reasons older men prefer younger women (not manipulation). Mandy raises concern that older men manipulate young women. Brian rejects pathologizing of male preferences.

Sugar daddy discussion

Nicole mentions sugar daddy thing traumatizes women; alludes to personal experience but refuses to elaborate. Brian notes women actively seek sugar daddies via apps like Seeking Arrangements.

Self-ratings (1-10 looks)

Guests rate themselves on looks 1-10. Celeste: 10. Nicole: 8 (said 10 initially, walked back). Mandy: 7.5 (8 with humor). Oxana: declined. Janna: 7. Tara: 6-7. Tessa: 3. Raina: 6. Brian: 5 (down from 6 due to weight gain).

What is a woman / transgender debate

Going around table: Celeste says biological woman. Nicole says fine with trans identifying as woman. Mandy says identifies as woman = woman. Oxana: woman is love/care/nurture. Janna: feminine energy, given to you. Tara: open relationship. Tessa: biological only, cites God not making mistakes. Raina: biblical gender differences.

Body count discussion

Body counts: Nicole <5 (declined to specify); Mandy under 20; Oxana declined; Janna <10; Tara: 11; Tessa: 0; Raina: 0. Brian: 11. Discussion on whether body count matters.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasliterally like you're sitting there back there bored when I'm not talking to you but when I am talking to you I'm done with this kind of already explained it like intentionality like okay but so what is an example of

Nicoleselling the dream like if you do this this and this you'll be fulfilled like this like um like they're going to tell you up front like my intention with you if you fulfill this then you're going to get

Nicolethis this this and this and like and then not follow through and that's like obviously like the building of a relationship like that's fine but to pray

Brian Atlaslike go ahead finish your sentence go ahead finish your sentence go ahead you were literally in the middle of a sentence and you stopped your sentence mhm go

Brian Atlasahead I I need another energy drink like I just oh my God okay here let me ask you a question oh look boom he's got the [ __ ] he's got the hookup boom there it is um

Brian Atlasokay you guys sharing the energy drink or no I'm just help thank you okay okay selling the dream oh my

MandyGod I have a question go ahead then I'll come back to her it's more question for you um I was going to ask like are you mostly talking about just like how it

Mandyit's very common where older men go after younger women because they're we're you know easily manipulated we're

Brian Atlasvery young we're very um arous very erroneous I that's not why I don't think that's why younger men go or excuse me I don't think that's why younger excuse me older men go for

Brian Atlasyounger women could it could it conceivably be that younger women are more physically attractive donated $100 Brian I'm afraid the girl in Black has genital herpes and it's affecting

TTS/Donationsher ability to communic we're going to have to send in the mukes otherwise the plague might spread Beyond California that's crazy Jay Butler is

Brian Atlasour he's a resident Troll he's a uh he every single show he brings up Herpes so do not be offended what's the what's the

Mandyname Jay Butler Jay Butler he every single show he at the end of the show he's got to bring up her Butler sounds like one of those dudes that like lives in the desert and like to the freaking

Mandywhatever podcast and sends money because he's so bored he's a urologist he's a urologist well do go work that's

Tessacrazy yeah we should have just put Andrew Tate over your bathing suit picture that would have been perfect does Andrew State face right there sure um okay

Mandyso what you want to say um that was kind of just like my point it's like I know like it's it's happened to a lot of women in myself myself included I was very um easily manipulated when I was younger and I

Mandydated a guy who was like 23 24 and it was just wait how old were you and how old was he I was like 19 18 how was he was like 23 24 I don't object to that age no

MandyI'm not saying like those age R are bad as long as you're legal [ __ ] do do whatever you want that's my at that age growing up before you turn 21 we don't know anything I still don't I'm 23 and

Brian AtlasI'm still learning so many things I'm still setting up boundaries I'm still thinking my morals but it's like at that young age and at you know man do women mature faster than men like most women

Brian Atlaseven out of their own mouths will say oh these young men my own age are immature they're all just [ __ ] boys I guess I could say I thought that at that age I was very like 19 My AG so

Brian Atlasimmature yeah I was very like very immature goes both ways I feel like but okay then yeah I I we can I agree actually well okay I mean

Brian Atlasum there's a I mean but I just want to because you said that it's men are older men want to be with younger women because they're easier to manipulate I

Brian Atlasobject I object to that because I feel like we a lot of people always want to pathologize men's preferences standards and boundaries if a man has a preference

Brian Atlasstandard a boundary it's somehow it's either criminal it's controlling it's insecure it's some sort of negative thing nobody bats an eye for when a

Brian Atlaswoman articulates her preferences standards and boundaries but when a man does it's almost always like oh you again it's going to be pathologized to

Brian Atlasthe point of criminality like oh you must be if you're a 24 year old guy and you dat a 19-year-old you're basically a p word like come on that's ridiculous but it's also just like it's just but I I can give you I'm going to give you I

Brian Atlashave a list here I'll give you some reasons why perhaps an older man might want to date a younger woman and keep in mind we're talking about adult women here okay more physically attractive more emotionally available more romantic

Brian Atlasmore energy and optimistic about the future more time to to live life travel the world before starting a family more fertile less baggage and Trauma from past relationships more open to new

Brian Atlasideas less stuck in their ways stuck in the job City more agreeable easier to build a life with more grateful and easily

Brian Atlassatisfied um less likelihood of having children or a psycho ex uh younger parents who could be involved more in raising the children uh and then yeah

Brian Atlasthat's pretty much it there's perhaps some more but oh and no kids no kids usually if they're younger yeah typically no kids so and that's a preference I think both men and women

Brian Atlaslike if you're a girl you don't want to date a a guy who's got kids that's totally valid the reverse is also valid too so how so I think just going back to

Brian Atlasyou um how is it I'm trying to remember the exact thread how is it

TTS/Donationsum well stochastic Decay donated $99 Instagram I was going to say this

TTS/Donationsdude makeup filler cosmetic surgery pushup bras shaping attire selling a

Brian Atlasdream yes one 100% like you say that these men sell a dream but you guys sell a dream with your beauty you guys use like he

Brian Atlassaid makeup filters you'll do all kind cosmetic surgeries you are if if we can agree that men's primary attraction trigger is your physical Beauty then if

Brian Atlasyou're wearing makeup and doing all those things that he listed you are basically selling a dream have you had any cosmetic surgery

Brian Atlasum yeah that's a yes what do you what lip filler you've had the the titties done okay isn't that selling the dream

Nicoleyou don't actually I just feel confident like I'm picky like I don't care like that's just a personal preference I what's a personal preference for myself to have fake titties I think I look good

Brian Atlaslike it's fine you don't want to hear my take on plastic surgery but

Nicoleum anyways anyways but don't but okay selling a dream you're talking about men sell the dream but women you yeah I see how you guys lie

Brian Atlasabout your beauty well I'm not like that's the thing it comes with it like you wear makeup maybe you use filters maybe you've had other cosmetic procedures lip filler no no lip filler

Brian Atlasin the past I've tried it once but no that that goes away I thought it lingers for a little bit even I don't know whatever um lip filler makeup filters Photoshop all these things good light well good lighting is kind of valid

Brian Atlaswhatever but posing specific poses couldn't you argue that this is selling men the dream yeah you can you can argue that that's fine oh okay I you know what we should

Brian Atlasban makeup that's fine I like myself natural too okay based that's fine um okay so okay here you also said uh the whole sugar daddy thing often leaves a

TTS/Donationslot of women traumatized is that kind of what you were getting into oh hold on grid One Motorsports donated $100 the copium is strong ignore the

TTS/Donationsfact that women lie makeup SLS surgery SL Etc and intentionally promise sex and love to sell men a dream they know they will never deliver stop applying to

Brian Atlasyourself that's facts it's facts grid One Motorsports

Tessaraceway so then I think I have a question um about like kind of this topic because I feel you know I I have the bikini picture with my boyriend on

Tessamy Instagram I have uh like uh the picture that my boyfriend took of me and wanted me to show off you know um but how I guess how would I put this because

TessaI met my boyfriend wearing what I'm wearing now and I would not consider what I'm wearing now like very provocative you know the only thing I've got on my face

Tessais mascara and it's from yesterday just like things like that um yeah what what I guess my question is what do men

Tessafind attractive about that cuz say like my boyfriend he it's not a oh I don't want you to wear that because you know you're showing off your body it's always like a

Tessayou can wear that because I can fight you know type mentality but for me I'm just this is what I'm comfortable in and he's okay with it but I still get that you know those people that will

Tessalook or those people that will make comments and then it's you know then people will make the joke oh are you into boys because you know you're looking at her and she's fully clothed but then it goes back to the well don't

Tessaare men more attracted to traditional women because I'm not saying that I'm necessarily traditional you know I've got tattoos all over my body it's very you know they're out there people can

Tessasee them but I Do cover myself up I wear long sleeves most of the time uh I I I'm very fond of pearl snaps cowboy hats

Tessawearing hats uh so then what would make that more desirable for a Man based on like say your bikini picture you know what I mean like it's just very it's a

Tessavery so what is the question exactly like what would make that more desirable and get better

Tessaattention better attention what do you mean yes um so say on her on her photo maybe someone like posted was like damn you're so [ __ ] hot I'll wear this and

TessaI'll have people tell me I'm [ __ ] hot is that just a

Tessadifferent I don't know I just that that part of it that aspect I don't understand how can we both get that same attention potentially even from the same

Tessatype of men or the same men um but then like I'm also you know but then I'm told that I look like a boy and then she's told that she you know

Mandywhat I mean is too provocative I feel like that goes into preference again you know like it's just a personal

Tessapreference is this a statement or a question no that was a question what what's the difference between us what would make you know like she said you probably are R probably is preference what would make me more desirable over

Brian Atlasher what would make her more desirable over me I mean it's kind of hard to say but I I would some men are totally fine with

Brian Atlastheir girl having provocative or super revealing photos on on Instagram

Brian Atlasum uh there's a lot of simps out there that I think also a lot of men don't realize that they're allowed to have preferences standards and boundaries

Brian Atlaslike I remember at Le at least for me when I was younger it never occurred to me I cuz I feel like and I got over this fairly quickly but to some degree when I was younger you know I think a lot of

Brian Atlasmen have this temptation to want to ped pedestalize women and we and because dating tends to be harder for men because it's hard because we don't get

Brian Atlasgenerally speaking most men don't women don't initiate on men men have have the burden of initiation we don't get that sort of attention from women so you know

Brian Atlasif if you don't have at least when you're young like a lot of options you don't you're not in a very strong negotiating position to be like I don't

Brian Atlaswant my girl to be you know if if you don't have optionality as a guy it's going to be very hard well not necessarily but it's going to be harder

Brian Atlasfor you to be able to dictate certain terms in the relationship and to be able to H uh really rein like reinforce standards preferences and boundaries um

Brian Atlasnow of course there are men who are like very laser focused on precisely what they want and they're not going to like play around with other chicks and they're just like okay I know exactly

Brian Atlaswhat I want but I do think a lot of men feel like out of necessity they have to accept certain behavior that they otherwise wouldn't because be to some

Brian Atlasdegree Beggars can't be choosers yeah um so uh but look there's and I but I do think a and men men have been suppressed

Brian Atlasbecause of feminism to kind of do away with demanding modesty from women because if we do most men cannot be open and honest with the current social climate because

Brian Atlasif we do we're going to be met with you're a misogynist you're controlling you're insecure blah blah blah you're sexist whatever it's going to be you in the current social climate if we do

Brian Atlasarticulate H I'd prefer my girl to not be posting revealing photos on Instagram oh well you're just insecure you're controlling you don't get to say what I get to wear blah blah blah it's going to

Brian Atlasbe so a lot of men aren't going to be open and honest about these preferences so yeah um but I do want to get back to you with the sugar daddy thing and that we'll go around the whole table on this

Brian Atlasso you said that uh let's see uh uh oh okay the whole sugar daddy thing often leaves a lot of women traumatized I was going to ask how

Nicoleso um I don't know I guess that depends on like know I guess um have you had a exper your own experience I don't want to talk about that but

Nicoleum okay I just think there's been some documentaries recently that have come out that kind of giv some sugar babies sugar D not necessarily that but like like I said likeing question like okay

Brian Atlasso which documentary are you referring I was like the Tinder swindler or is that what you're talking about I know I don't know about that one but um I don't know you can do research um but okay well I don't have time to do it

Nicoleright now so that's why I'm leaning on you to try to assist here just young women can fall prey like fall victim to being naive like I've mentioned before I don't really want to continue this

Nicolethat's zero accountability you're taking I completely understand how they letting get in that situ but that's what I mean like coer and like so I'm done having this conversation and I would like to

Brian Atlasmove on okay you literally provided this as a pre-show been talking about this for so long we have not talked about sugar daddy this is literally I just brought it

Brian Atlasup okay and look this is my podcast I'm going to if you like refuse to answer questions I suppose you can but you're not going to dictate the pace and the discussion of this podcast if you don't

Brian Atlaswant to answer I obviously can't force you to answer but please don't tell me that about us moving on because I'm going to if look again you just not going to answer questions that's

Nicolefine so okay can you at least tell me the what the documentary is it's about sugar daddies no not necessarily but like surviving our Kelly like stuff like that and when whates that have to do with sugar daddies sugar daddy okay that

Brian Atlashas nothing to do with sugar daddies you said the whole sugar daddy thing often leaves you're like going off into the weeds here in this conversation often leaves a lot of women traumatized I'm asking how so because there's plenty

Brian Atlasperhaps it might be the case but you're taking agency and accountability away from women plenty of women join seeking arrangements and they're like see they're actively it's not like they fall

Brian Atlasupon a sugar daddy they will join seeking no understand to find sugar daddies and it sounds like perhaps that was the you refused to say whether you had a sugar daddy or not

Nicolebut I'm just saying like the table for you to talk about sugar daddies this seems like pretty tame conversation I would just caution young women to be careful of the situations

Nicolethey get themselves in that's like all I would like to say were you coerced into a sugar daddy situation I don't want to talk about that I've already said that so I mean how long were you in it I

Brian Atlasdon't want to talk about that and know it wasn't like I was ever looking for that specifically I mean it's going to be very hard to caution young women to avoid these situations if you're not willing to

Brian Atlasbe um forthcoming with your own experience but okay fine you had a sugar daddy situation so that's that's what I mean like um like the coercion part um like you could have intention

Nicolefor one thing and then they might and you like say that and that's what I mean like they'll guise it like a facade and can you be a bit more specific no I'll just leave it at that just men have good

Rainaintentions like I don't want to get personal like I don't then why did you put it in the question yeah I feel like it's just very contradicting the topic of like you keep

Nicolescooting your microphone please sco to the edge of t women to be cautious like be protected like be cautious yeah but I'm I'm trying to hear why I'm trying to hear you out I'm trying to hear about

Brian Atlasyour sugar daddy story know so perhaps this could be an example for young women why they should not get involved in these sugar daddy

NicoleDynamics um you can watch like documentaries like surviving our Kelly or je up scene too like these were not that's these are

Brian Atlassuch outlier situations okay well when I think of a sugar daddy when I think of a sugar daddy it's some dude who's like I'll pay you 400 bucks for some Fe PS there's a lot of success for I'm not thinking like [ __ ]

Brian Atlasbe careful like that's all I'm saying I'm not saying like it's like a were you on the island did you go to the island I'm going to talk about anything did you go to the island I'm not going no I'm not going to talk about that no you were on the island I'm not going to talk she was on the island all right whatever bro

Brian Atlasokay what about um have you ever had a sugar daddy I haven't no you haven't come on there's been a guy who sent you 400 bucks for Fe pics or some [ __ ] I mean I've had guys send me money for like lunch is this a rage quit is is it

Mandya rage quit she's coming you coming back or yes oh okay all right what about you oh sorry go ahead um all my subbies

Mandyare my sugar daddies I need do subbies okay all right I like just want to follow you now I'm only I'll give you a free oh no it's free it's free after

Brian Atlasshow uh yeah we'll do it in a sec here um sugar daddy ever had a sugar daddy going around the table have you had a sugar daddy no no no no I've been offered money for feet

Brian Atlaspicks but no uh really quick on this we have DG what role does technology play in your match matchmaking service and how do you ensure a personal touch is still

Brian Atlaspresent where is the question I just read it what techology I I'm sorry I just can you read it again please what role does technology play in your matchmaking

Oxanaservice and how do you ensure Personal Touch is still present oh um it's actually yeah a combination like we have platforms for people to meet like

Oxanavirtual speed dating for example it's one of it's our platform of our service but uh all of the aspects of relationships development they are uh

Oxanadone by the matchmakers by the coaches because um just meeting someone is not going to get you to the successful relationship that's where people get it uh really confused like I'm going to

Oxanameet my ideal person um just meeting someone is not going to get you to the ideal relationship but all of the components of coaching adjusting yourself couples counseling um you know

Oxanakind of unpeeling yourself like a cabbage opening up your heart and soul and connecting on a deeper level that's what is going to get you to the successful relationship something that we will be working with

Brian AtlasBrian okay um okay all right uh okay we have Zack Jenkins here hold on um wait let me just read

Brian Atlasthis before I pull it up message you on uh okay fine um I'm out in central Cali you instantly caught my attention not making the mistake getting beat to the front of the line and miss a chance to

Brian Atlasget to know you messaged to you on Instagram I think this is directed towards you he's who proposed to you he paid more money yes and it's this

Brian AtlasZach Jenkins here the 38 former Marine this guy thank you Zach appreciate it thank you Zach all right you and [Music] my uh okay um I had more questions for

Brian Atlasher I have a few more notes here but uh let me bring it to um let's see oh I really wanted to get into this here let

Brian Atlasme see here um uh Oxana the story of Irena and sea do you want to share that I have it written down here but

Oxanayeah so it is uh one of my couples and um so they met at um My Love Tour so it is in person events uh that I put together so she flew all the way from

OxanaUkraine uh he is a former police officer and um uh firefighter so right from the start I knew that they should be

Oxanatogether it was like ideal couple uh but Irena she felt different um and so but he he is a very typical traditional man

Oxanaand uh you know provider and he got the goal and he went for it so uh she went back to Ukraine he started writing her letters so she basically told him like

Oxanathere is probably no future but he didn't quit so he started writing her letters every day at uh I can't remember it's either 8 or 9 in the morning Ukrainian time she was getting a letter

Oxanafrom him MH with no answer he was getting no answer so for 25 days every day he was sending her a letter and she was reading it and then on the Day 26 he

Oxanajust didn't write anything and this is the first time he got the letter back where is my letter and so he went uh to Ukraine he proposed to her they're

Oxanamarried now they're fantastic wonderful uh couple but just that aspect of someone not quitting when they really want something One Motorsports donated

TTS/Donations$100 I am spending this this H to warn men of all ages to not get involved with women who use them for the wallets and do not pay of models and Epstein did not kill

Brian Atlashimself okay thank you grid One Motorsports thank you uh yes that's uh can certainly be a red flag if somebody

Brian Atlaswas involved in uh sugaring or whatnot so right what move what I'm confused by the last

Oxanapart okay no never right I continue with your story Irena and Sean yeah I I mean it's it's just the talking about the man

Oxanawho just didn't quit and still was going after someone he filed connection with yeah and so okay I you kind of already

Brian Atlastold it but basically um they met at one of your events Your Love Tour yeah uh he was really into her she wasn't really

Oxanainto him uh well there was uh lots of things that they would have not lots several things that they would have to work through in order for their

Oxanarelationship to be absolutely successful uh now Irena is telling everyone that you know when aana tells you that is the one you know just listen to her just

Brian Atlaskind of will make things easier but in your pre notes here you said that Shawn was in love she didn't feel so um she was visiting the USA she went back to Ukraine without giving a chance to

Brian Atlasdevelop a relationship uh Sean who's a traditional man he started writing her letters 9:00 a.m. every single day uh she would receive them in Ukraine uh

TTS/Donationswould receive a letter day after day 25 days in a row writing a full letter unated $100 red had asked for talking points

TTS/Donationsfrom her feminist Professor then forgot to study huh word thank you Nickelodeon

Brian Atlasappreciate thank you thank you um so okay 26 days uh there was oh she she didn't answer 25 days in a row she never

Oxanaanswered him day number 26 when he stopped didn't send her a letter and she was checking her messages 9:00 a.m. 9:15 that is the story they already told me

Brian Atlaslater and sure and then she wrote back where is my letter yep where's my letter yep two months later they were married and they have been married now for for six happy years oh wow and you say

Oxanathat's the most romantic story of a man who never gives up well it is I I have lots of lots of stories I mean thousands of stories it's just something that uh they are my neighbors they live not far

Brian Atlasaway from me and I just uh we always you know communicating and just and you also wrote um she's now saying this is the best man in the world and this is the happiest marriage of hers because she

Brian Atlashad two marriages before that I'm going to I got to push back a little bit on this story she clearly was not into him I

Oxanathink that's almost stalker it is not about not into him there is things that they would to work through resp she didn't respond uh that's the difference

Oxanaof um uh cultural differences you know we Eastern European women they have to be like heavily pursued disavow disavow it might be true but I'm I'm very much

Oxanaagainst it well yeah much this is where it is a little bit harder with the uh with American dating because here U men are waiting for the woman to give them a signal that it is okay basically no I

Brian Atlasmean to take not necessarily but like 25 [ __ ] messages in a day without a response cuz see that's coming into the territory I think that's playing a game

Jannanow it is not a game security you know self confidence he wanted this lady he took her I think it I mean I think happy marriage it is f

Brian Atlasit might have worked out but I feel like it can and not to play the outlier card because I think this can if this is the social let's put the feedback let me just

Brian Atlasfinish let me just finish if this is the social climate the dating climate I do think if like we are teaching like bro if the girl's not into you like take a

Brian Atlas[ __ ] hint move on um it does kind of encourage stalking behavior I think uh that's not good for men that's not good for women like if a girl if I if I was

Brian Atlasnot responding to a girl for 25 days and she incessantly continued she didn't I would think she's a stalker she didn't tell you no she was just there's more than

Oxanaone way to say no okay well he's he was getting a certain feedback that she wasn't responding yeah but he was getting PR feedback from from me from

Oxanatime to time and that he she was opening up it would just take her a little bit she didn't respond to he would write full letters she didn't respond for 25

Oxanadays this couple would follow what you are preaching they would not be together and they would not be happy he might he he might have found a woman who was more re oh she's in love with him oh my God this woman she is like you know he is on

Brian Atlasthe pedestal he she should have been in love with him from the gecko love maybe not love but she should have at least reciprocated shown some degree of interest my personal view is like look

Brian Atlasoh she did show degree of Interest let me say this if you play hard to get you very quickly become hard to want that's my view if a girl is playing this hard

Oxanato get [ __ ] it is not she was not playing hard to get uh there were things that they would have to work through to

Brian Atlasbuild that happy room sent her 25 letters and she did look it's great for them that they're married and it worked for them that's cool however speaking in

Brian Atlasgeneralities I would argue that if you are dealing with whether you're a man or a woman and you're like doing all this [ __ ] and they're not even like they

Brian Atlascan't even give you a response whether you're a man or a woman move on because you can invest your time and energy so much better in somebody who will match

Brian Atlasand reciprocate and and actually she was a keeper for him hey it worked out you know what there's outliers sometimes things can work out generally speaking

Brian Atlasthough I would argue that it's it's it's much better to just if somebody isn't giving you the same like just move on your idea of general and my idea of

OxanaGeneral I I mean I have a record of 30 years I mean uh to to prove that my idea works okay because couples that I do put together seems a bit together seems a

Brian Atlasbit simpish I don't know and happy but like it's such an L like I and I do hear these stories even in the west of like men who are like yeah she rejected me

Brian Atlasfive times and then um you know she finally came around and you know what's more gangster she [ __ ] maybe not

Brian Atlasloved but she was so [ __ ] into me immediately that's way better than oh I had to convince her and she rejected me five times and oh but I was persistent

Brian Atlasno I think persistent can look not always but like I think it's just me especially in the current social climate with women exposed like bro persistence

Oxanais gone if she says like if a girl rejects you it's over it is done there is no persistence if you have to make the conclusions yourself without any help I understand how frustrating that

Oxanawould be for you because you wouldn't know what's going on in her head now in my situation I'm the person who is helping the guys to understand what is going on in her head because they do

TTS/Donationsshare with me woman to women connection number one is shanore from La donated $100 asked my wife to go on a DAT in

TTS/DonationsSeptember she said maybe next yearly every week and she said the same our first date was Jan 6th we're married

Brian Atlas5 years with two kids now Sean that's fantastic good for you it worked however however if you're fine with that

Brian Atlasthat that's cool I never want to be my view is attraction cannot be negotiated she either likes me or she doesn't if she doesn't like me

Brian Atlasgoodbye it is not about attraction it is not about attraction a girl who says maybe next year if you ask her on a date in September that's a very in my view

Oxanathat's demonstrating a very low level of interest for me I don't chase I the words it is the actions that her actions maybe were completely different

Oxanaotherwise he would not be reading her message that she wants him in her life words is the one thing actions is totally different I especially in our culture we look for Action there and I I

Brian Atlascan't speak to how it is in you said what Slavic countries my own advice for men you don't chase low interest interest women

Jannalike you never know if they're low interest uh or they just want actions you know to see that probably this guy want I like you would you like to go on

Brian Atlasa date no okay goodbye no no no it doesn't there is no once a girl turns you down look maybe you can be like you can say something witty you know if you ask her on a date be like you know you

Brian Atlascan maybe make a joke crack a joke give it one other chance maybe but if a girl says no like I okay cool you don't I I don't deal with lowest women I I don't play games like this I

Oxanadon't want to play games with the girl if the girl I like you do you like me cool let's [ __ ] hang out there is no I'm not going to play this like oh why don't you ask the ladies if they would want to be like pursued by the man and

Oxanacourted alone any girl who's had a stalker will it is why stalker no it's when it's is normal guy but he showing

Brian Atlaswith his actions that he is ready to uh if a guy is attractive enough for a girl to want to be for for a girl to want that guy to be persistent she will

Brian Atlasalready have deemed him attract and want to date him there will be no need for his persistence that's my view but you said you want to go around the table on this let's go around the table if you tell a guy no is it a can he I

Celestedon't know how I don't know how to frame the question I think if he asks a few times sure but when it becomes more than that it's kind of annoying okay what about you um I'm not going to knock persistence

Nicolebut yeah like she said if after like a few times a no is a no like get the hint otherwise like communicate why it's a no

Mandyand then like if it's still a no like leave it at that okay what about you I'm kind of on like both sides cuz I've had like stalkers and then I've had guys who are like super persistent talk about

Mandystalkers no but like that's why he he was giving like oh that's stalker Vibes but like I've definitely had like an actual stalker and then I've had like guys who were super persistent and no matter how attractive they are they could be like they can break the charts

Brian Atlasbut I'm still probably going to be like I don't know maybe maybe I don't know uh look uh it is some women like persistence I just generally from a

Brian Atlaspurely time-saving point of view there's plenty of fish in the sea if she's not down for you there's another woman woman who will be it's not worth your

Brian Atlastime wasting like I don't know I I try to come at it from an abundance perspective I don't have I don't view women like from a scarcity frame where I'm like oh no if it doesn't work with her like I don't believe in the one I

Brian Atlasdon't believe in any of that [ __ ] granted there are some fantastic women out there that you know you should make a best effort at trying to get her but if it's a nogo

Brian Atlasgoodbye peace peace out dog hold on I'll be like this hold up I'll be like peace out peace out you too homie you you too

Jannahomie um but if just says one thing but her actions speak different like she I don't like that either though because it takes actions from you but

Jannayou like low efforts you know you say I like high effort I like high high effort from women oh exactly that's how it should be that it should be low come bow for me exactly exactly that's how it

Oxanaworks for you show me the bow it's actually much harder uh to be the woman for the relationship that it is for a man to be man for the relationship I what I'm confused by that statement uh

Oxanathe way women carry their relationship and the way way they um help their man to be like the best behind every successful man there is a wise woman

Brian Atlasright you you heard that saying Tim Cook is gay just saying you okay you take most just saying you take most of the guys every successful Tech wi there's a

Oxanagay man Tim Cook hello okay but I know where I'm going with that one in majority so

Oxanafine uh but for the woman to to have that knowledge and energy to make her help men grow I I don't disagree with

Oxanayou for all of the kids to take care of the household to like it is actually a lot of work for the woman but it well worth it absolutely absolutely I don't I

TTS/Donationsjust look I don't like this game playing if I like a girl and she like in Vegas donated $100 Brian you're right I do not give my time money or whatever else to somebody

Brian Atlaswho won't or does not seem to want to make time for me period paragraph end of story I'm too important for that cuz cuz look again there's definitely like in

Brian Atlasthe couple scenarios there's that guy who chimed in with the the chat um absolutely persistence like can It ultimately lead can the woman see you in

Brian Atlasthe new light sure but like a lot of guys have also had the experience of we get a girl's number we text her and like oh are you free this Friday and she's like oh I don't know maybe I'll let you

Brian Atlasknow it's okay and it's like that it first off I would argue and I think a lot of girls at this table would agree cuz I think a lot of women are not going to be upfront about like just wanting to

Brian Atlasoutright reject a guy and there's a few few ways that might manifest for example she might be interested in him but she's also got a couple other other options on the table so she doesn't necessarily

Brian Atlaswant want to commit to him for to go on that date or whatever but it's certainly the case like if a girl gives me the maybe I don't know we'll

Brian Atlassee ghosted you're done I'm not texting you anymore extrem so you talking about that's not an extreme that's not it's not an extreme it's it it frequently happens to men that if you get a girl's

Brian Atlasnumber and you're like hey I'd love to meet you for uh dinner Friday 700 p.m. she'll be like oh I especially uh I feel like older women are a bit more mature

Brian Atlasand they'll actually typically avoid giving you Ambi not always the case though I've actually encountered a lot of like professional women who are established in their career late 20s early 30s who will give you this vague

Brian Atlasambiguous [ __ ] where you don't know where you stand but definitely when I was in college a lot of women be like oh I don't know I I I got a test coming up I'll let you know like and I'm

Brian Atlaslike I've made the mistake of like following up oh okay well what about next week H maybe it's like bro she's not interested she's not interested goodby and say okay you have test coming

Brian Atlasup can I help you with something can we study together I mean not about just that's s [ __ ] it's not no if a girl is if a girl is really down for you if she really likes you she will make time for

Brian Atlasyou she will make time for you a girl who says maybe I I'll let you know goodbye and she was making time for him she read every letter over and over and over yeah she didn't respond though she

Brian Atlasdidn't respond yeah but she was and she almost lost the guy she almost lost the guy she didn't lose the guy all I'll say is this all the time he spent on this one girl he could have been pursuing other women getting other

Brian Atlasleads they are very happy together super happy I see these like stories these like marriage stories of like oh yeah like they're they're doing the toasts or

Brian Atlaswhatever at the what's it called the um reception reception or whatever and like yeah he I didn't like him at first

Jannathat's such a [ __ ] disrespectful like can well let let me just about the guys guys also said like this oh I just

Jannawanted to date her just I didn't consider her seriously but then I fell in love with her I saw how good she is or something but firstly initially I

Jannajust [ __ ] her sorry just like right like obviously obviously like you know yeah I've heard a lot of stories and from my friends and no no no I'm not

Brian Atlasserious about her I'm just there's a difference though obviously like love is something that needs to to grow and develop and having these feelings towards a partner you're not instantly

Brian Atlasgoing to like be in love with somebody I suppose some people do but you're not instantly going to have like it takes time to develop those strong feelings and that Bond but what I'm talking about

Jannais a girl who like rejected the guy rejects the guy turns him down she did not reject there ises his letters no no I'm not talking about her specifically

Brian Atlasbut in general you hear these stories of like oh no I turned him down like blah blah blah three times and then like oh I finally no man I that's not that's not the kind of relationship that I want

Oxanawith a girl I want her to be down for me from the get-go and she gives you the signals she's giving you the signals that you are welcome into her life okay

Brian Atlasshe just gives you the opportunity to uh to put this stand like I think she settled I think she settled he P pedestalize her she didn't even respond to him 25 letters that's ridiculous if a

Oxanagirl didn't respond to me after [ __ ] four text messages if you would have met that couple you would have changed your mind completely they they weren't a couple though it didn't sound like they were C well you would have met them now because everybody is looking at them

Brian Atlasit's like I want that husband that type of man uh look I it happened it happened for them but generally speaking my advice to men is just find a high a woman with high interest it's not that

Rainamuch to ask I think uh so I don't know um can I say something yeah go ahead I need to get up for a sec if you guys want to talk [ __ ] about me more okay finally um well I've like had

Rainaexperiences too where like I just saw a guy as a friend and like I didn't like see him romantically I wasn't like initially like attracted to him and then as he showed more interest and he you

Rainaknow was like Hey like like I got you this I know you're having a bad day like I got you this specific thing that you said that you liked one time and then I was like oh wait like maybe like he

Rainawould be a good partner and then like with this specific guy like I ended up like he was the closest to love I ever was and I didn't even find him attractive at the beginning so like so

Jannathrough his actions through his care that's what he displayed to you that you matter yes and it means like uh if men as Brian says we're talking about you

JannaBrian meanwhile you're not here yeah yeah it's like like me yeah if if a guy um of course there are stalkers there

Jannabad situation from man and women of course but you know if a guy don't want to put any efforts to show because you

Jannaknow women fall in love faster we attached faster for guy if he doesn't show any actions any affections any uh

Jannayou know steps doesn't take he will not fa in love it it will be your situationship that might be somehow will evolve to relationship but actually you

Jannawill feel that you're in a relationships but guy is not committed so that's why uh of course you need to consider but in

Jannaour also culture if a man shows and act and he can it's very romantic stories you know just and it exists but a woman does quite a bit in the relationship it

Oxanais absolutely must that you know the behavior of the man always um U reflects what the woman and also a woman is the one who actually makes men act a certain

Jannaway right and also here in uh Western culture what I've heard um like European American

Jannaculture men don't take actions uh for for many reasons and that's why they getting used to women taking actions

Jannainstead of them and then they ended up waiting for the first steps from women like and saying why she doesn't text me

Jannafor example in my head man who has prior role to text me to show his interest to me and like yeah well it's the whole

Rainathing about pursuing and like men it's built into their nature to be a pursuer to pursue the woman how they get attached every animal

Rainayou ever see like it's just its nature for the male to seek out to mate these females like and that's just how it is that's just how God made us yeah well

Tessaeven from personal experience with the man I'm with right now like I am head over heels for this guy um and like I said in the beginning we had gone on a

TessaTinder date and after that I had just I'd never been on a date dating uh web or app before I'd never gone on a date off online and I psyched myself out I was like I don't know anything about him

TessaI can't do this just deleted Tinder didn't hear from him anything we didn't have any any connection we saw each other at a gas station 6 months later he had totally cut his hair changed he I

Tessamean we both didn't look anything like we had when we first met I had my hair down to my butt I had chopped it off completely and he just walked up to me he said you look like my future wife and I said you look like a man who's number

TessaI should get I went to his house and we were like you're the Tiner date like both of us were like you're that that person you know what I mean like his and it was his mom who remembered me his mom

Tessawas like oh you've been here before you're the you're the girl that ghosted my son I was like I guess you could put it that way you know but so I totally do I I agree with that it's

Tessawhere it just was an awkward time for both of us I was not comfortable with you know meeting on it on Tinder whatever and then it was like we got to REM meet each other and re get to know

Jannaeach other and it was it was definitely super super cool yeah and to have a chance to see each other and also you know Brian mentioned that oh he wrote 25

Jannaletters it's what an effort yeah of course it take time it takes time to write emails we consider it we will not underestimate it of course but if just

Jannawriting emails it's just super high efforts that um man can can't put into relationship why to consider what he will do more yeah when we will be

Jannatogether there will be more efforts needed you know so writing a letter it's an action but like it's not yeah but he was I'm

Tarasorry I was just saying that I agree with them cuz anytime in the past where I've tried to be the P pursuer it has not turned out well yeah it never turns

Oxanaout well well there is of course element of like the stalkers who people who are sick yeah we're not talking about those we're talking about um uh men who not

Oxanaafraid to take actions and women who are absolutely supporting them and patronizing them for what they are doing you know and they are grateful to man for taking those actions so we're

Brian Atlastalking about Perfect Balance Perfect Balance got a question for you here you said how women have to be coached and changed in order for relationships to be

Brian Atlassuccessful it is always a woman who is in the center and core of the man's behavior actions feelings excuse me Financial growth or all opposite it is a woman who can

Brian Atlaseither create a man or break a man everything starts with the woman yes it is hard very hard to be a woman for a right relationship that would be successful but that hard work is

Brian Atlasabsolutely worth the full effort and commitment um so my question to you is and if you want to add anything on that how do women have to be coached and changed how so so uh first of all I

Oxanamentioned before that feminism is definitely killing men uh and this is the result or what is happening around us men are just uh afraid to take actions or whatever they would be

Oxanasitting and waiting or whatever so uh woman is the one who um the way she will

Oxanaput herself with uh with her man she can either build him or she can crush him so the crushing parts are nagging you never

Oxanaenough you didn't throw out all the garbage you didn't make enough money or I am uh making more money than you or whatever that is crushing man and So

Oxanaeventually what is going to happen with them uh with this type of attitude uh men is because they need that positive energy they need like that fresh air that's what woman is to men she is fresh

Oxanaair so men if they're not getting this at home they're going to either go outside try to find it in the way of lovers you know so they will try to get that freshness in somebody who actually

Oxanarecognizes them and believes in them and so on um or his behavior is going to get all screwed up so he might become violent because he needs to prove that he is a

Oxanaman somehow um he needs to like because he needs to feel that he matters now the right attitude of the woman with the man

Oxanais uh she is supportive uh she believes in him uh she uh doesn't even matter if she makes more money than him she will

Oxananever throw it in his face uh but she will uh believe in her man to achieve whatever um you know he is the one who

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Jannameow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow y yum yum Brian actually we have cake we can serve

Brian Atlascake you're eating oh I had a little bit of I had a little bit of chocolate for everyone we can if you want uh we can't do it during the show just because the the but definitely after the show we'll yeah thank you that was very nice of you

Oxanaby the way to make some uh some cake um thank you grid One Motorsports thank you um did you want to finish off yeah so uh the woman she is the one who is the core

Oxanaof how a man acts behaves how he feels even like with the right woman uh man's manhood will go up his finances will go

Oxanaup his uh um absolutely belief and self-esteem and everything is really starts with a woman so when woman sort

Oxanaof not really but when woman uh invests all that in the family kids her men then men typically like normal men right they would want to because their self-esteem

Oxanais higher they start making more money they believe in themselves who they will will bring all of those gifts and achievement to they will bring it to their woman so that is because they know that this is where he is recognized this

Oxanais where he is appreciated this is where he is respected this is where he is loved this is where he is um you know he is valued so but this is like a a natural course this is how relationship

Oxanasupposed to be like so yeah it starts with the woman and uh in many cases right now uh because women can make money and everything they think that

Oxanathis is the strength in reality strength of the woman is in her wisdom she can make all whatever she wants but there has to be like two different women woman of business she is a boss there she she

Brian Atlaswas there she kicks ass yeah woman relationship is woman who believes in her man okay all right uh I have a couple I think I got some notes for you

Brian Atlasthen I got one or two more questions and I think we'll wrap up fairly soon so let let me see uh you in your pre-show messages to us said as I just moved to

Brian Atlasthe USA I would love to share about my dating experience with American men and I think you hold on let me skip over the parts that you've already said

Brian Atlasum uh I had a date with a 10 years younger guy he was involved he had Social Services he oh you yeah did you tell this sorry I told

Jannathis no no it's fine I told the story but I didn't mention the ages so he was 10 years younger yeah brought his laptop on the date gave you help with uh

Brian Atlasproviding information got the groceries after that he offered his time for anything I needed I don't have a car yet as I just arrived to the country three months ago so we went for grocery shopping guess what he paid for my

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