33 Year Old VIRGIN?! 5 Threesomes At 18?! | Dating Talk #108

Date: 2023-10-11

Duration: 5h 40m

Guests

Brian Atlas

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PParisa (DT108)>

SSienna (DT108)>

LLauren Harkins >

CCourtney Ferris >

JJulia (DT108)>

SSteve (DT108)>

MMadison (DT115)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_02Courtney Ferris(guest)

SPEAKER_03Greta(guest)

SPEAKER_04Sienna(guest)

SPEAKER_05Kiki(audience)

SPEAKER_06Julia(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Steve(guest)

SPEAKER_11Noise/Laughter(audience)

SPEAKER_12Lauren(guest)

SPEAKER_13Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_14Parisa(guest)

Key Moments

Key Moment33-year-old virgin Lauren discusses her complete lack of in-person sexual attraction. Never been on a date, never had a crush in real life, never experienced attraction sufficient to pursue anyone. In 33 years, not one person has triggered pursuit. Only celebrity she finds attractive: Paul Walker.

“I've never I've never dated never really been interested in dating... not even a crush in high school”

QuoteLauren describes herself as "somewhere on the asexual spectrum" but avoids the label due to it being "taken over by the woke mob."

“I think I'm somewhere on that spectrum... I hesitate to use the word asexual... it's been kind of taken over by the woke mob”

Key MomentLauren says she would rather die a virgin than settle, even at 45. Brian challenges whether she is waiting for a unicorn that does not exist.

“I would rather die a virgin than be with the wrong person... it could be are you would you be let's say you're like 45”

QuoteLauren states she would rather die a virgin than be with the wrong person.

“I would rather die a virgin than be with the wrong person like 100% rather rather die a virgin 100%”

Key MomentGreta reveals she contracted chlamydia from a married couple she met via Tinder (her friend found them). The couple denied it afterward. Greta found out via regular STI testing.

“they were great the chyia not so great... they denied it even after I told them but it was fine they were”

Key MomentGreta reveals she had 5 threesomes by age 18. Brian is visibly surprised and confirms the count.

“five five threesoms MH and but was it each one was like with a different group of people yes”

Key MomentGreta describes the smoke shop mix-up: drunk at the beach, met a guy's brother (Billy) instead of the intended contact (Bobby), hooked up with Billy, then Billy left her stranded in a different city.

“I walked up to his brother which was not him... I proceeded to have some fun with his brother... he left me at the he left me in a different city on the side of the road”

Key MomentSienna describes her abusive ex-relationship (2018-2020): he gave her silent treatment when she declined sex, cheated by texting another girl, made her pay for everything, restricted her clothing, and made misogynistic comments about assault victims.

“he would like expect sex... he'd be like I'm a horny little like teenage boy what do you expect... he would call you names he wouldn't let you go outside and shorts or a tank top”

QuoteParisa states that the body count double standard is misogynistic — that sex should weigh equally regardless of gender.

“I think it's misogynistic to say that like there's a difference between the weight that a woman's body count holds and a man's body count”

QuoteSteve says he wishes he could go back and be a virgin, seeing his married brother's life as a model.

“I wish I could go back and be a virgin I really do... I see how my brother my brother just had a baby he's married he's having a lovely life”

QuoteBrian lists 15+ systematic disadvantages men face in the workplace (dangerous jobs, overtime, commute, etc.) in response to the wage gap discussion.

“there's the trades gap there's the dangerous jobs gap 97 something like 97% of workplace deaths are men... more likely to die on the job gap more likely to be electrocuted to death gap”

Key MomentGreta reveals her sugar daddy story: her sister's former sugar daddy found her via Venmo, first messaged when she was 15 (ignored), then at 17 (ghosted), resumed contact after 18; sent approximately $3,000 total.

“he found me cuz he was my sister's sugar daddy... he hit me up at 15 I didn't respond to him until I was no 17... he's still your sugar daddy how much... probably like three grand”

Key MomentSienna describes a sugar daddy who became creepy: referred to his genitals as "bulging," sent an unsolicited photo, she stopped contact. Received approximately $350 total.

“he would refer to his like dick as a bulge and he'd be like I'm bulging I'm bulging... he sent me a picture of his dick and it was 14 in long”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Brian opens show from Santa Barbara; mentions co-host Kiki (shy). Guests introduce: Greta (18, SBCC psychology/caregiver; mic issues initially), Parisa (18, SBCC English), Sienna (18, SBCC biology/nursing), Lauren (33, GBI agent trainee from Maine — virgin centerpiece), Courtney Ferris (27, Death to Digital agency co-founder), Julia (29, tech consultant), Steve (26, executive protection/entrepreneur, LA), Madison (18, Whatever Podcast staff/SBCC).

Relationship Status Round

Round of current relationship statuses: Greta (single 2yr, FWB sneaky link), Parisa (single 1 month), Sienna (new relationship 1 month), Lauren (never been in a relationship, never dated — extended discussion), Julia (relationship 2yr), Steve (single since May 2022), Madison (relationship 1+ year). Lauren's situation dominates the round — deep dive into her virginity, asexuality, dating abstinence, and standards.

Lauren's Virginity and Asexual Spectrum Identity

Extended segment on Lauren's 33-year virginity. Brian probes: never dated, no in-person attraction, possibly asexual but avoids label, would rather die a virgin than be with the wrong person, only attracted to Paul Walker type. Discussion of her connection-only requirement, divorced parents, college at U of Southern Maine. Steve and others react with disbelief. Lauren describes wanting only a long-term relationship (no marriage, no kids), not actively seeking, in her "let go and let God era."

Greta's Threesome History and Dating Stories

Brian reads Greta's pre-show notes. 5 threesomes at 18 — details of each. Married couple on Tinder gave her chlamydia. Smoke shop mix-up: accidentally hooked up with wrong brother (Bobby vs Billy), got abandoned in another city while drunk. Marine boyfriend tried to marry her after brief relationship. Ex-boyfriend with one testicle (testicular torsion/implosion). General dating philosophy: wants chivalry and flowers but also casual hookup freedom.

Chivalry, Traditional Dating, and Men Paying

Debate over whether men should pay for dates and practice chivalry. Greta: men should open doors and buy flowers. Brian: romantic gestures should be contingent on women moving traditionally/exclusively. Courtney: men create the environment; women shouldn't have to prove themselves first. Extended debate over whether current dating marketplace makes traditional gestures by men irrational.

Sienna's Abusive Relationship

Brian reads Sienna's pre-show notes. 2018-2020 relationship: emotionally and physically abusive boyfriend. He required sex to give her attention, sent her a screenshot of him texting another girl without breaking up first, made her pay for everything, restricted her clothing, made misogynistic rape victim-blaming comments (the final straw), attempted to use fireworks on her. Discussion of sex withholding dynamics in relationships.

Sex Expectations in Committed Relationships

Debate: should partners feel obligated to fulfill each other sexually? Brian argues dead bedrooms indicate incompatibility; men should be able to leave if sexually unfulfilled. Greta counters sex must be fully voluntary. Courtney cites Bible verse (do not withhold your body from your partner). Steve shares Miami situationship story: both gave silent treatment when declining sex.

Social Media and Going Out in Relationships

Discussion of whether women in relationships should post revealing photos online or go out partying frequently. Brian: women should keep some modesty in photos when in a committed relationship. Courtney: posting does not imply infidelity. Steve: women at clubs/bars create vulnerability situations. Debate over control vs. trust.

Cheating, Hookup Culture, and Modern Dating

Greta: stopped dating men because everyone cheats. Parisa: 99% of men will cheat. Brian: women cheat as much as men; both sexes in hookup culture. Discussion of what counts as cheating (porn, only fans, going to clubs). Debate over whether college relationships work. Courtney shares personal anecdote of respecting herself by staying after she clearly wasn't being respected.

Feminism Round and Wage Gap Debate

Each guest states whether they identify as feminist: Greta (yes, girls' girl), Parisa (yes, inequalities exist), Sienna (yes, raised that way), Lauren (not today's feminism), Courtney (no), Julia (yes for 1st wave suffrage only), Steve (no), Madison (no). Extended debate on wage gap: Parisa says it exists, Brian says it's been debunked. Discussion of women's occupational choices, hazardous work gaps, work-life balance differences. Brian lists 15+ "gaps" men face (dangerous jobs, overtime, commute, etc.).

Body Count Discussion

Key-in-lock theory debate. Brian argues high body count is undesirable in both sexes but especially in women due to attachment. Parisa: body count double standard is misogynistic. Courtney: past is past, it's about current character. Body count reveals at ~303min: Madison=8, Greta=16, Lauren=0 (virgin), Parisa declined, Sienna declined, Steve declined (Navy joke), Brian "more than one."

Abortion, Feminism, and Equality Debate (Late Show)

Continuation of feminism debate: Parisa argues for complete equality including men's issues. Discussion of abortion (California context). Brian: modern feminism is a corporate psyop to double the labor pool. Extended debate on whether gynocentric society exists. Brian lists men's systematic disadvantages.

Ratings Round

Self-rated looks (1-10): Julia=7 then revised to 10, Parisa=7, Sienna=7.5, Courtney=8 then 10 (noting boyfriend was watching), Steve=8.5, Madison=6. Brian declines to rate panel; says he cannot pick 7.

Sugar Daddy Stories

Greta: sister's former sugar daddy found her via Venmo; first contact at 15 (ignored), resumed at 17-18; received ~$3,000 total. Sienna: sugar daddy sent ~$350 via Snapchat; became creepy (called himself "bulging"), she stopped contact after he sent unsolicited photo.

Transcript

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Gretauh uh his intentions were good next to 300 okay we did this one did we do this one can you read this one do you want to read this one they get TR care that's about it LOL

GretaI mean divorcing him she could have taken half of his paycheck and get a free house how long did you know this boot did you even know his Rank and if you do I'm guessing I'm going to guess he was between a whatever the private or

Gretalieutenant corporal L corpal excuse me he was a lance corporal and I knew him for about two

Stevemonths so if I can touch on this I moved to San Diego in the Navy when I was 19 andan I was broke as [ __ ] I was living on the ship for about a month which

Steveliving on the ship is like living in a coffin where I had my work uniform my PT uniform and a little bit of workout clothes and one set of clothes to go out to the clubs at and gas

SteveLam and when I heard about getting married for BAH which is the basic housing allowance and they told me that I could move my paycheck from like I

Stevelike 15,000 20,000 a year to 60,000 a year I was actively hunting to try and get married and I I talked to a couple girls trying to get married because I

Stevewas like I was selling I was a Salesman I was like hey you're going to get insurance I know you don't have insurance I'll pay you 500 a month whatever and we can get a house we can be roommates or I'll get the house and

Brian Atlasdo my own thing I I need money so that's where he's coming from and what did he say they get triker and that's about it mhm I know exactly okay uh speed the silent as a man with a body count of one

Brian Atlasand still looking for the one that six a night is gross six a night can we agree six having sex with

Brian Atlassix at least agree on this having sex with six different people in the night kind of gross that's a bit up there feral yeah is it a little yeah Common Ground that's a bit much I think she

Gretaactually is kind of like oh that sounds exciting oh my God no I'm not I mean I you did that once no I don't think it's good and I I just don't believe that

Gretaanybody should call anybody gross as a person because of sex I just think that's I mean it's not good I don't I would not want to have sex with

Gretadifferent people gross act the ACT is gross but the person herself is not gross for it sure I mean well but I just don't like putting people down so I mean are there but okay are there let's

Brian Atlasremove sex from this conversation are there any behaviors that someone can engage in where you feel like it might be justified to call the person gross yes but we're not allowed to talk

Brian Atlasabout them so okay well I think I know what you're trying to say but what

Brian AtlasI'm if I ate worms for living that's gross huh what like if you eat worms for a living like that's gross yeah but I'm thinking of like PG

Brian Atlasthings um if somebody never showered for a week straight or I don't know a month would

Gretathat be gross could we call them gross yeah you are I mean I think it's gross but I just wouldn't personally go up and be like ew you're so gross cuz

Gretayou don't do this because I just think that's personally rude but like if we're talking about that yeah I think it's I wouldn't have sex with six people I wouldn't not take a shower for six days cuz it's gross but I would tell the

Brian Atlasperson but I'm not sure exactly why you're making this argument because he said that six of night is gross it's not clear to me he could be addressing the behavior and he's not necessarily saying

Brian Atlasand I'm agre I'm just saying that I'm making a point that I'm not saying the person isoss me personally though I I will take it a step further and say the IND on the individual level that

Brian Atlasindividual is gross that is gross behavior and by proxy you are a gross person if you engage in Gross Behavior you're that makes you

Gretagross I still personally call you have if you have mult gross things that a person can do I just personally would

Madisonnot call a person gross because of it that's just not taking accountability I mean

Brian Atlasif a woman if a woman has the seed of six different men inside of her I don't maybe this is a hot take but yeah that's pretty gross I wouldn't want to I wouldn't want

Brian Atlasto be with a woman I wouldn't want to have sex with a woman if she even had one other guys it's amazing to me that like this

Brian Atlasjust seems like common sense to me but like yeah even just if another guy just had sex with you I would find it gross to then have sex with you and I'm not

Gretadisagreeing with you I just made it an extra point to say that I'm not calling the individual gross the ACT can be gross I it's polite of you I guess

Brian Atlasyou're very [ __ ] friendly right yeah yeah I mean okay all right uh Hey Greta I'm running out of Twisted te's you want me to put some on the side for you Johnny Simon is this one of your

Brian Atlashomies or yeah actually is it yeah put some on the side for me thank you okay he's watching it the Twisted te's are coming all right we have pay $99 billam dears

Brian AtlasLMFO case closed that dude wanted out the barracks and 300 extra a month he was playing you damn everybody's on this guy yeah he's really bill billam is really about it he's pressed about me

Gretaand my military boo I mean it's okay it's okay we have to wait what do we have to do what do we got to do green cor Barracks are bad I don't I don't

Brian Atlasblame them what what city was it um San Diego okay so Mar us to P Camp Pendleton um we have to react to one of

Brian Atlasher dating profile things um who oh question do you guys think that communication is important yes yes do you think that men are bad communicators

Parisayes some here going around the table start with you depends on the person but yes I'd say depends on the person but a lot of times yeah yeah I don't have much experience of

Courtney Ferristhat when they let their emotions get the most of them yes can you sco your mic like closer to the edge please I think more often than not yes okay Madison I think they execute not well

Laurenokay so I'm going to go on the table on this um have you ever faked an orgasm yes

Brian Atlasno yeah I mean no yes yeah yes no oh and the GU is okay

Steveum okay how can you fake it yeah spin on the back what the [ __ ] it's a thing it's a

Brian Atlasthing okay all right that girl clueless like I'd be able know yeah I feel like a girl with know I feel like a girl you know when Al involved yeah um let me uh

Brian AtlasI don't know if this is going to apply to some of you but who here has while on a date reached for your purse offered to pay for the bill or your bill but you would be upset if the guy took you up on your offer to split wait what like

Brian Atlashypothetically like cuz some there's definitely this thing I think some women will like do a token act like you're going to but you don't want oh do you want me to get it yeah but then if the guy would be like oh yeah sure you'd be

Brian Atlaslike the [ __ ] but is this hypothetically or if it's happened um well I guess has it if it's happened to you or what would your if you were to put yourself in that

Gretasituation how would you feel oh like would you do that yeah I'd pay for it I wouldn't be mad if he like okay took me

Laurenup on it yeah I'd pay okay I guess I'd pay I I feel like that'd be weird I don't know I I definitely would do the token like

Brian Atlasbut if the guy was like oh cool would you kind of be like oh yes oh yes yeah if he asked me on the date I'm not going to offer to pay but do you have you ever done the token do you want me to get it no because I'm not going to act like I'm

Juliagoing to pay if I'm not I have and we settled on 50/50 and I was a little a little little bit like you it was like a little turnoff for you I wouldn't say a

Juliaturn off but I was like oh negative brownie points a little bit um what is that word I forget the word you're not mad you're just

Madisondisappoint took note of it I took note I took note okay U Madison what about you I only do the token if I'm actually willing to pay for it so but I wouldn't mind

Brian Atlaspaying are you able to scoot him to the table like that way just a little more um okay so I asked you do you think Communications is important I asked who here faked an orgasm I asked about this whole perspect what didn't you guys say

Brian Atlasthose of you who like okay with the fake orgasm thing isn't that bad communication yeah yeah like that's you

Julianot communicating that's you your you you can fix that by like telling them what to do I guess but it's on you I mean it's on you there's a few reasons why you fake an orgasm you fake an

Juliaorgasm because you want it to end and you just want to quick like all right let's get this over with you fake an orgasm because you want him to feel cuz you did enjoy it so okay and you want him to feel good about his performance

Juliabecause it was good and it and he should feel good about it but you know if if he's really going to give you an orgasm y'all are going to have to be there for 30 more minutes and no one has time for that and you want to go to bed so like is it that difficult to make you

Juliaclimax I think for most women for women yeah it's pretty I mean like it's got to be rip for you guys okay so yeah sorry sorry about that and that because so in

Juliathat in that scenario you're actually yeah you're you're communicating well because you're trying to reinforce his behavior you want that behavior to continue that's I think

Brian Atlasthat's a no you're smart bro thank you that's so wait you want to reinforce what Behavior exactly you he did a good job good job boy not good he

Juliadid a good job look it's job I think it's hard for for um for the other partner to make a woman orgasm cons it's hard I mean it's it's like a

Juliait's like erroneous they're just not doing it right I'm sorry I know I know every woman you've been with you every time I know but um I think honestly most

Brian Atlaswomen I'm I'm with I'm not trying to gas myself up or I can most of the women I've been with I can make them come really y oh well what's the percentage

Brian Atlasit's 80 90% I'd say I feel that how do but I actually make an effort like I make an effort to do it you're a giver what how do you know if they weren't lying you know you can you I mean look

Brian Atlassome women can be very convincing but like there's I mean there's different orgasm responses from between different women

Stevebut if she's faking the leg convulsing then like props on her she got it she got or the the okay anyways okay okay okay what whatever

Brian Atlaswhatever there's guys do it's they do great and it feels fun okay getting away from like the that whole thing I guess what I'm trying to The Impossible the

Brian Atlasclitoris is the Rubik's cube of the okay huh not impossible rare not it's rare from haven't you had like long-term boyfriends and they're they struggle to get you

Juliaoff rip do you want me to be obviously um yeah he made I orgasmed like once maybe twice there might have been a with all your boyfriends um I

Juliawith okay no I've only ever orgasmed with one man and was it one time one time for sure and then I think there were two or three there were there was two one to

Juliatwo other times that it I was like I think it could be you but you but there was only one time when I was like that's the I just want to go to bed no one talked to me like I was like I'm that was amazing I just can sleep I didn't

Brian Atlascare about his satis I'm sorry that sounds selfish but I was like wait he knocked me out question how many so there's only one guy who's ever made you come mhm and he only made you come a

Juliacouple times mhm how many times have you had sex total total hundreds thousands I don't think thousand I we had sex quite

Juliaa bit he and I oh my God I hope my mom doesn't watch this um this is so embarrassing we were frequently intimate

Juliaand um hundreds of I mean I I would say I have a very I have a very high sex drive I had a higher sex drive than he did and and yeah but I didn't mind I mean

Brian Atlaslike I it's okay no that's fine I mean some for some women some women have difficulty orgasming um well I wouldn't say that because there's other ways but

Brian Atlaswith another person wait with another person like with another with a in my case guy it's You' said you've said that you've there's only one guy who's ever made you come and he was only able to do

Brian Atlasit like once or a couple times I know look if I if I need to get the job done I can do it really fast which might be the problem that might be the well there's a couple problems so okay when when it comes back to you guys saying well men are poor

Brian Atlascommunicators I think I forgot the answers for all of you a fair amount of you said that you faked orgasms that's poor communication now in response to what you were saying about you didn't

Brian Atlasask if you thought I was a bad Communicator well I mean there's a totality of different factors that would lead to an overall rating of poor or bad communicator but when it comes I mean

Brian Atlasthe fact that you were faking orgasms though probably was has led to some degree to you not climaxing with Partners well I mean he knew that like you could ask him he would say I he knew

Juliayou were faking or come three times maybe yeah he thinks three I think he thinks three yeah but you also said you faked orgasms would you fake orgasms every time you had sex no no no no but why would you why would you I'm confused

Juliathose one or two time well first there how many times have you faked an orgasm I well I mean like when it was not with the other like the early days okay okay we're talking like n you know 18

Juliayears old it was and I had the one col you know the one college that I that he didn't do anything so might as well been dead fish but

Brian Atlasum yeah you asked me if I faked orgasm so the the one or two that I'm like I think maybe I don't know I mean but if so if you're here's the thing if you're

Brian Atlasdating a guy and you're not coming and you can come by yourself sure yeah sex still feels even for men even if we don't it feels

Brian Atlasto you know like that's great but wouldn't it be better if you did come I guess I suppose but that just seems like a big when is it ever a bad

Brian Atlasthing to orgasm but okay um okay yes okay fine but but it is I mean you are you'll have women who are claiming to be sexually dissatisfied in

Brian Atlasrelationships yet they're faking orgasms which doesn't you're not communicating with your partner that you're not climaxing that doesn't give the man the opportunity to improve we aren't mind

Brian Atlasreaders some women their orgasm response is like very specific and it it can require a lot sometimes there's a lack of communication there I

Brian Atlasmean I think as a guy if you can get it organically if you can make her come organically great but if you can't if you can't look I think women

Brian Atlasshould should communicate about it I think also it's fine if a guy says hey so what do you like you like a little faster slower pressure do you like um

Julialeft right up down what do you you know what do you like um well you know I love this podcast because I learn things every time Brian so trust me that one's going in the books it but but

Brian Atlaslike if you fake orgasms he's going to think that he's getting the job done but he's not so you should and I think it's a terrible one in addition to just how that's going to negatively

Brian Atlasimpact your pleasure on the sexual front you're just you're lying to the guy well I was I will say I was very happy with our sex life other than other than the DraStic guilt I felt every time I had

Courtney Ferrissex happy with your sex life but you were frequently faking your orgasm is that because he was a bad Communicator you didn't feel comfortable communicating with him no I felt super

Brian Atlascomfortable no no I I could have I just wanted to I just okay I don't know but you're saying but

Brian AtlasI get that you like you want to cuz obviously for us men like if we can make our girl come that's a turn on for us like that's

Brian Atlasawesome we've 100% it's a turn on for us it's great but I think you're kind of almost trying to cheat that by faking an orgasm but that I feel like I'm sitting down the guy and saying hey you're ready to sit down for a 4-Hour project cuz

Brian Atlasthat's what it's about to be you know hours to come I'm not saying I don't know when you're alone how long does it take yourself to make yourself come you said it takes my what a couple minutes

Brian Atlasyeah so there is probably some granted like a guy is probably never going to have your body figured out as good as you but there's probably certain things that he could do and maybe that if it if

Brian Atlasit is really that difficult to get you to climax maybe introducing toys into the bedroom okay okay I don't know but

Stevefaking orgasms that's just a l I think yeah don't do that don't lie to me for me and and you said the same thing we're going to be asking or guys should

Stevebe asking what do you like say say the words what do you like she's going to tell you and if if not then she's going to fake an orgasm and she's like okay I'm not I'm not down with this I don't

Madisonlike anymore I have a question Steve why did why did you fake an orgasm oh no like I just want to know like why would a guy fake an orgasm

Stevebecause I wasn't going to come and it had been going yet I was not going to come and I think I was getting soft and I was not feeling I was not feeling anymore I

Brian Atlaswas tired it's like 4:00 a.m. I'm trying to go to bed okay and she already came so it's Works done allegedly allegedly we have in the future I'm just going to

Brian Atlasfake the war guys wait we have something from you the dating app thing let's pull up the dating app oh no image uh My Love Languages telling me

Juliathe event starts 10 minutes earlier than it actually does Julia facts so what what do you mean by this um I have many qu I have many

Juliastrengths but one of them that one of my maybe areas of improvement would

Juliabe like I I'm a horrible judge of how long it takes to do things which might might account for the 4our uh orgasm I'm

Juliajust I'm I just I'll think something will take me like um 15 minutes and it takes me 2 hours and so you're late is what you're saying men can be late I would say more generally it's like I

Julialiterally suck at judging how long things take but that sometimes can result in me being late which I'm sure you're going to say is a huge con I mean

Juliabut you're a grown adult time management is like basic adulting exactly so I've learned to get through it but I'm just saying if you really love me the best thing you can do for me is like tell me

Julialike just say like hey it starts 15 minutes early no the the best thing that a partner could do for you is be on time is is tell you you're an adult get your [ __ ]

Brian Atlastogether if you're I'm going to tell you to be on time be here at this time you should be there on time you're an adult you have agency I know I made it here on

Juliatime I'm sure but it seems on time but are you talking just within your romantic well it's more Brian it's more

Juliathat there's like this I I get places on time but because of that misjudgment I'm like rushing a little and it's a little stressful so it would be like I would be less stressed if I actually if I had an

Courtney Ferrisadditional 15 minutes that I didn't know I had you know what I mean so that's why I say it's just tongue and cheek it's not even that hard to do really ask your partner 15 minutes it's just cute ask

Juliafor those of us who are gifted with time management who in my opinion are literally the superheroes of the world you know be friendly to is that is that really some person sounds like me

Brian Atlashaving to deal with a toddler does it oh yeah like okay here let me let me accommodate your your lack

Brian Atlasof what's the right word you're asking someone to accommodate your lack of I guess courtesy when it comes to timeliness by having to

Juliaconstantly tell someone to meet you earlier than the actual plan is I don't know yeah I suppose if you want to read it the worst possible way you can read it that's what you would get so okay

Brian Atlasthanks but it's I don't think it's like no guys like cuz this is on your dating app profile right like don't on the dating app don't you want to like put your best foot forward and like try to paint yourself in like a good way and

Juliayou basically saying by the way I'm going to I'm not punctual I is that cute first of all it gets a lot it gets a lot of obviously it's not cute to you um it gets a lot of

Brian Atlasresponses a lot of guys tolerate a lot of [ __ ] when it comes to dating but yeah lack of punctuality and disrespecting my time yeah that's I think that's not a good thing okay well you want to hear the things I bring to

Juliathe table because just because I might like that's great struggle slightly with that that doesn't negate all these other like great qualities that I offer and I think being honest about something

Juliathat's like a legitimate I mean that you're legit not naturally good at like time management is a thing that people are naturally good at like I have a great job I've got two degrees like do you think if I'm

Brian Atlasreally that bad at time management and that discourteous that people would that like I don't can't tell time of course I can but so I I mean are you joking about the fact that you're late because either

Juliayou're you're punctual or you're not punctual or I'm joking and as it relates to I absolutely do not expect my partner

Brian Atlasto carry me around like as a toddler as you so endearingly said um absolutely if I say something if I need you ready at 5:00 p.m. I'm to me that's like

Brian Atlasinfantilizing you that I need to tell you in each instance oh 4:45 instead of 5:00 p.m. how about you just be on time guess what no one has ever taken me up we already like an old married couple

Juliawe're already bickering about okay go ahead no well no cuz you would refuse anyways refuse what you would refuse to tell me that the you would you would say I'm an infant and then we'd be late cuz we'd probably get to Big discussion

Brian Atlasabout it no it's that deep so wait you think this this would this this is my bad this would fall on me if if I was like no I'm not going to play your

Brian Atlaslittle game of me having to tell you to get be ready by an earlier time because you're you lack the adult functioning to be ready on

Brian Atlastime sorry I just really don't think anybody reads into it as much as you are right now but but well I can say from my experience when it comes to First Dates I'm on time and I'd say 80% of the time

Brian Atlaswith First Dates women are at least 10 to 15 minutes late so for you guys you don't care because men will tolerate your tardiness but for me I think it's disrespectful to be late on a first date because that's a first impression and

Brian Atlasyou're already late okay well that's just your type of women not women I always try to be punctual for dates I think it's rude to be 15 minutes late to a first date especially if you don't let the person know that you're going to be

Brian Atlaslate oh especially you offer up an apology but I get it most and hey that's another thing that's wrong with Society people don't stick to their commitments if I say like I don't know

Brian Atlasso are you think you would swipe left on me you saw that that would be a little like all my I get that you're trying to be cutesy

Brian Atlasbut like I don't know I don't think it's like oh haha my life is just so like I'm so I'm in the I'm in the clouds my life's a mess haha it's so cute no I'd be like okay I told you I'm an

Brian Atlasauthoritarian single you think that's why I'm still single that one no I don't think that's I don't think that's why you're single um that's probably very low on the totem pole of things that men care about but for me punctuality is

Juliaimportant with a girl I know guess who else cares about that my job my boss and I'm not able to I know I know guys don't care about jobs but I I am obviously

Juliaable to be punctual in my entire life okay but if you want to know what comes naturally time management doesn't so you should see how many alarms I set in the morning I literally I have like aund

Brian Atlasalarms it's better to have a partner that understands you what you need I'm pretty on time judge you for it no it's better to just level up in all the ways that you can well if I did I would be perfect and that would be intimidating

Brian Atlasfor too many people being being punctual doesn't mean that you can't have other flaws and other Realms and dimensions but I think just it's basic adulting I don't I don't want to have to in the

Brian Atlassame way that a lot of you hear from a lot of women oh I don't want to have to like mother a guy I don't want to have to like be his mom I see so for me you want you want men that are self

Brian Atlasself-sufficient we don't want to have to baby you okay babe I'm going to lie and tell you something starts 15 minutes before it actually does so you're on time how about you just if I tell you

Brian Atlasplans at 5: or we have to leave at 5:00 p.m. be ready to leave at 5:00 p.m. simple yeah don't make me have to every time we have a plan be ready at 4:45 I'm

TTS Readernot making you Bender the offender donated $99 if I leave for work at 59 and my [ __ ] starts at 2:00 I don't call my work

TTS Readerand say hey I need like 30 minutes extra okay thank you just have some common sense and be more mindful of other people's time you know if we were on Tik Tok

Juliathere's a there's a thing that they call a gosh what is it it's like you have to do you will you take accountability for they they they say it's like a disability they'll say will you be

Brian Atlasaccountable for my um time management issues or something there's a video it's wild but word here we're going to move on from that we had a chat and I forgot to get back to this and we get we'll get

Brian Atlasinto a couple of your things we had the chat from Seven Deadly Sims about the the whole feminist thing um you guys considered some of you consider yourselves feminist you said that inequalities and then there you're

Brian Atlasfeminist because there's inequalities between men and women you said that uh you're a feminist because women are discriminated against um so to hear from you first what are some of the

Parisainequalities that you're talking about I think uh a lot of the inequalities today I mean we can look at something more recent like for example like roie Wade being overturned like women now don't

Parisaeven have the right to control what they do with their own body and the government is telling them but like something like that would never be instilled for like a man or like you can look at the pay Gap like there's a very

Parisaobvious pay Gap a woman and a man can do the same job and like most times a man is going to be paid a lot better like there's just still a lot of inequalities

Brian Atlasand I think that feminism aims to uh like get rid of these things so that's why i' consider myself feminist I mean the so okay there's a couple things

Parisathere the wage gap's been debunked there is not there's no wage Gap I mean I would say that there is still like commonly like you would see like Studies have shown that there is a wage Gap in a

Parisalot of job is that what your liberal professors tell you at barbar City College um I've just seen things like rhetoric and literature that has proven that point if you've seen other probably conducted by feminists that are trying

Brian Atlasto they've already arrived at their conclusion I mean what would you say about Roby way then that I'll adjust that well you you said that you're feminist because of inequality between men and

Brian Atlaswomen now I don't really want to get into a discussion about abortion but what I would say is is that the abortion discussion has very

Brian Atlaslittle to do with equality between men and women because men don't have an abortion right men don't have Reproductive Rights so you you could

Brian Atlasactually argue because men don't have I mean this is getting a little bit very specific but I could make the argument

Brian Atlasthat equality between men and women on the abortion topic would be women in no women in the United States can get an abortion that would make it equal

Brian Atlasbetween men and women because a man has no Reproductive Rights when it comes to abortion I'm not I'm not really interested in having an abortion debate

Brian Atlasright now especially because it's n it's we don't have much time left but I don't think the abortion rights thing has really anything to do with equality

Parisabetween the Sexes well I understand what you're saying in the sense that like men do not have like the whole like Reproductive Rights thing but I'm just saying equality in the sense of like um having an equal right to control what

Parisayou do with your body having an equal right that the law is not telling you what you can and cannot do um I just think well oh well come to think of it

Brian Atlasactually um it's it's difficult because obviously men don't get pregnant so you know it's just like a biological reality

Brian Atlaswhat I will tell you though is when it comes to the government and your body um so this right here Nick if you can

Brian Atlasswitch it to this camera this is a draft registration card uh now don't mind the colors the bright colors right if I skip

Brian Atlasto this page here so this is a draft registration card that only men in this country have to sign it's called the I don't know if you're familiar with the Selective Service System so when it comes to men having control of their

Brian Atlasbodies in the event of a war bear in mind we uh what's going on in Ukraine bear in mind what's going on in in the Middle East right now uh this idea that

Brian Atlasmen have control of their bodies it's actually not entirely true in the event of a draft men would be forced to go into the trenches into the front lines and they wouldn't have a choice when it

Brian Atlascomes to that now you don't see feminists in the streets really advocating for an equalization of the draft or getting rid of the selective service system or getting rid of male military conscription and I think that

Parisathat is a problem with a lot of like modern day feminism is that it doesn't focus on equalizing things and it has I I'd say I have seen a shift especially on like social media where feminism has

Parisaturned into kind of like I don't know more so elevating one gender over the other or like trying to like point out differences but I think that it is

Parisaimportant for feminism to also focus on like these these differences or like these problems that occur for men too I would not say that that is something that it should not tackle right sure

Brian Atlasum I guess I'm just again I'm it's I it's not going to be productive to have a conversation on abortion but um again I've just failed

Brian Atlasto see when it comes to INE inequality so typically when you think of inequality it would be something like some right or privilege that men have

Brian Atlasthat women don't but because men don't have any abortion rights because they can't have children I don't think it's an it's a woman's rights issue but I don't think

Parisait's a inequality issue I I just personally see it as that because I see it as an unequal sense of control over your body

Parisabecause although like the wraft like you bring that up which is is a great point and I do think that that is a like that does need to be addressed I think that this the lack of control that not

Parisaallowing abortion gives to woman is very very different than that because like in the event of a war like that's a lot less likely than like a woman needing an abortion for like any reason I think

Parisathat there like the case of a woman needing an abortion is a lot more like common just well for for like right now I mean like if you count like what's going on in Ukraine obviously but like

ParisaI'm just saying it's not it's not like every single year that there's a new war happening I mean we are I would argue that Europe's been at War for years but there hasn't been a draft in 50 years

Brian Atlasthere's no okay but there are men that would in the Vietnam War there are men that would still be I see Madison there are men that would still be alive today had they not been drafted there are men

Brian Atlasthat are um there are men excuse me there are men that that died that would still be alive today had they not been drafted there

Brian Atlasare men that are alive today that were drafted that are dealing with severe like either they they were casualty of War so they had an

Siennainjury um PTSD um don't you think um women get PTSD from having a baby they don't want to have Yeah but

Brian AtlasI are you really comparing getting an abortion to the PTSD that soldiers experience in from war well you're comparing an abortion to

Brian Atlasthe draft I would I would argue that throughout human history male military conscription is a is a bigger gender grievance than certainly AB the abortion

Stevegrievance since the beginning of time it has always been men go to war women stay home and take care of the family and kids yeah it's bad say we're not saying it's not bad but

Brian Atlasit's not like it's not the same so are you saying that forced male military conscription is not as bad as some women in some states bad I'm not

Parisasaying it's not bad no but that's she saying that it's not necessarily comparable which I do kind of see because it's like it's not necessarily talking about like the same type of like

Parisaright to do something because one of them is saying like in the event that like there is a war like men will be drafted which obviously is still like a lack of control but the other is saying like in your day-to-day life like you

Parisawill not have the ability to do this like because like we're not giving you the right like it's it's different I see what you're saying well what I would say is while currently here in the United

Brian AtlasStates there hasn't been a draft in a long time every single male in this country once they turn 18 they have to register with the selective service so

Brian Atlasthat's a that's a just a gender a biased gender requirement that men have to do that women don't granted it's rather easy to register however as a man

Brian Atlasif you don't register technically it's a felony you can be imprisoned for up to five I I don't want to misquote it's either I it's either five or 10 years I think it's probably five years you can

Brian Atlasget a fine of $250,000 um if you don't register for the Selective Service hold on it says it here let me read it uh I'm going to read

Brian Atlasit just cuz I don't want to misquote anything uh okay um let's see hold on what happens if I

Brian Atlasdon't register not registering is a felony young men convicted a failure to register may be fined up to $250,000 imprisoned for up to 5 years or both in addition to being subject to

Brian Atlasprosecution failure to register may cause you to permanently forfeit eligibility for certain benefits Federal many state laws require regist uh registration age men to be registered

Brian Atlaswith Selective Service to remain eligible for applying for the following benefits so as a guy if you don't register for the Selective Service it might bar you for life from receiving Student Financial Aid certain government

Brian Atlasjobs government employment employment with the US Postal Service job training and US citizenship for male immigrants ninja smoke donated

TTS Reader$99 men have no choice in war that's true however women choose to have sex how is killing your child always being defended like it's normal make better choices in the men you choose to sleep

TTS Readerwith so if you get pregnant they will stay around and and be good Fathers in any case I don't really want to thank you ninjas smoke for the comment um we it's kind of getting away if we get into

Brian Atlasan abortion discussion it gets away from things but I'm trying to it stemms from the inequality discussion so

Brian Atlasum I think you're talking you're making a bodily autonomy argument and you saying well men in the United States they it's unequal because women don't

Brian Atlashave an abortion right and there's no coresponding there's no corresponding thing that could take away a man's bodily autonomy but that's actually quite literally not true because we have

Brian Atlasmale only conscription in this country so if there's a draft only men would be conscripted and their bodily autonomy would quite literally be taken away from them they'd be forced to go to somewhere they don't want to go they'd be forced

Steveto go to war they'd be forced to fight they'd potentially be forced to die I I think that that's worse than not having the right to an abortion and in

Stevethe in the event of a draft it's not will they die people will die a lot of people die this isn't World War II this is 2023 what never it's going to be bad

Brian Atlaswomen die during child birth though too that is true what if wait I have a I have a question sorry go ahead go ahead maybe I can't say that I I think I know

Brian Atlaswhat you're saying yeah um okay my question to you let me ask you guys this what would your what would you say to a guy let's say there's just some [ __ ] boy out there and he was

Brian Atlasjust he was just sleeping with a bunch of girls and he get he gets a girl pregnant and he's like oh [ __ ] man and she wants to keep the kid right what would you say to him like what what

Brian Atlaswould you tell him like and he doesn't want to have the kid what would you tell him get ready for child support child support would you maybe would you maybe

Brian Atlastell him hey if you didn't want to be in this situation maybe you shouldn't have had sex would you tell him

Parisathat maybe tell him to use a condom but oh okay but what would you tell him like tough luck I don't know I feel like at that point there's not much you can do

Parisaas the man because you're not the one like bearing the child right we have zero Reproductive Rights um uh have to agree but would you just tell tell them to suck it

Parisaup I mean at that point it's either like you discuss it with the girl and you try and like come to an agreement I don't know or like you can't do she wants to she wants to keep the kid and she's going to come after she's definitely

Brian Atlasgoing to come after you for child support what do you tell the guy I mean there's nothing he can do then you tell him what do you tell him though there's nothing you can do like you have to pay the child support tough luck right you

Parisashouldn't have done that right see we only hold men accountable for their bad decisions but I wouldn't say you shouldn't have done that though I just say like that is the result of an action

Parisathat like was taken I don't think that the same thing can be right so men have no reprodu Ive rights so there is no inequality I'm not I mean it's not necessarily like I don't think like that

Parisaplays into it in the way that like you're seeing it play into it cuz I don't think that like it has anything to do with the fact that like just because I don't know I just don't think that

Brian Atlassituation holds relevance to like but I guess what it's what's interesting is when for example if a woman wanted to get an abortion and if we were to tell that woman you should have just kept

Brian Atlasyour legs closed a lot of people would be very offended by that comment and say well women should still have an option and whereas if a man gets a girl

Brian Atlaspregnant suck it up tough enjoy 18 years of child support you have no say as a guy you have you have no option he may not have a say but like how many deadbeat fathers are out there that like

Brian Atlasdon't pay their child support don't show up for their child or their baby mama yeah and then if they if they don't pay their child support they they get thrown in prison actually the we we abolished debtor prisons hundreds of years ago

Brian Atlasbecause we realized that putting people in prison for debt for not paying fines or for debt is uh I don't know is bad

Brian Atlasbut the only thing the only the only way that you can go to jail for not paying a fine or not paying a debt is through child support that's so basically men are

Juliaexposable men are viewed we are the wage slaves of society that's it but do you think there could be anything to do with the fact I mean so you've made this point before that men can impregnate multiple women

Juliaand women can only get pregnant pregnant by once every six once every nine months so do you think that could have a reason why there's no like if there was legislation that gave men more rights

Juliathe fact that they're able to exercise that more like it just could get more complicated I'm just curious wait um I I don't know what it would look like but

JuliaI'm just I just I wonder if there's that could play into why women are granted more rights legally in this sense and if it has to do with the fact

Juliathat men can get more women pregnant like like it just seems like it would be a nightmare whereas a woman can only get pregnant by one guy at one time and then it's for 9 months or I guess she could

Brian Atlasabort it and then do you know what I'm saying like no but she saying that there's that there's a bunch of even though like if uh a guy gets a girl pregnant there are

Brian Atlasa lot of guys that aren't going to pay child support they're going to be dead beat dads right um and um sorry it's getting late my

Brian Atlasbrain fuel is running out um but my counter to that is well there are consequences as a guy if you are a dead beat dad and if the woman wants to pursue it you're you can get thrown in

Brian Atlasif you don't pay child support that you can go to jail for that yeah so and again we we abolished debtor prisons long long time ago but the only

Brian Atlasthe only thing where you can still go to prison for not paying some sort of fine or something is when it comes to child support and that typically that's like

Brian Atlas97% n it's over 90% of child support goes from men to women so but it's interesting when when men don't want to

Brian Atlasstep up to the plate when men don't want to be fathers when men aren't in a financial position or don't want to financially contribute they're called

Brian Atlasdeadbeat dads but when women want to get abortions that like you go that is that's really interesting against the man's wishes cuz that happens the women

Brian Atlasare called empowered no but men are called Dead beats and but so men always have to have accountability but women you have you have an out just get an abortion you're

Julianot C if you're a woman who gets why don't we allow abortions why don't we allow it then if it's we do we do allow AB didn't it just made it a state issue

Juliawhich is you could say imagine if the draft was def federalized so it became a state's issue and certain States could choose if they have a draft or not then it would be more comparable comparison

Brian Atlasbut I would say like both not to get into politics but like both people on the left and the right politically would say that a guy who's like not paying child supporter isn't in his in that kid's life is a Deb

Brian Atlasfather and certainly like people if you're Republican or conservative you're obviously very critical of abortion however uh like it's interesting that

Brian Atlasthere's only there's this pressure on men on both sides if you're a dead beat dad because you're not you're not financially ready or you're not financially in a position to support a kid but that's a totally valid reason

Brian Atlasfor a woman to get an abortion I just think that's interesting it is interesting it's an interesting thought um okay and then do you have any

Brian Atlasother things when it comes to the inequality what other ways come on I know you got more P Parisa did I say sorry if I'm saying your name wrong my bad PRI is good um honestly no I just

Parisathink it comes down to like I don't know like my stance on like the whole feminism thing is just I think that historically there have also just been a lot of issues and I think that there are

Parisajust a lot of like remnants of issues in terms of like I don't know like the power struggle and also just like the power Dynamic and I think that what do you mean by power Dynamic I just feel

Parisalike our society although we've come like along way there is still like a sense of like power that we give to men that like women almost cannot get or

Parisalike there's a sense of like ease that comes with um a lot of opportunities that it just seems like men get in comparison and I just feel like I don't know it's I just feel like there's

TTS Readerthere's things that are uneven that feminism would address such as what oh hold on sorry Bender the offender donated $99 sometimes the mother won't even see

Brian Atlashis child and he is called a dead beat for it yeah that's messed up that's true um and then sometimes the mother will try to turn the kid against the father and I mean some of these situations can

Brian Atlasget very messy and very toxic um you were saying power dynamics like men women give men a lot of power or

Parisasomething no I just feel like the way that our society is placed it's just like I don't know like a lot of power is given to men and also just like what do

Parisayou mean I mean which men are given power I mean I just feel like a lot of times I don't know just like politically speaking you can look at like a lot of like our house and like our Senate like

Parisait's largely been mail-based and I feel like a lot of the opinions that are are are like dominating these like parts of our government are largely like male

Parisacentered opinions and I just feel like I don't know like we've never had a female president we it's legal now like for Wom to become presidents but like we still haven't had that like the the level of

Parisalike power that a woman has been given although it's like said to be the same it's not like in reality it's not necessarily like acted out but do you think power should be given or should

Parisapower be something that's earned I mean I think it has been earned I just think that the way that our society is like structured it hasn't been like properly given where it has been earned I mean

Brian AtlasHillary Clinton has been the uh has been a presidential candidate was it two two separate El against Obama

Steveand then against Trump she was so close um she didn't win um but that's up to an election that's that's against the population voting nothing's put in place

Brian AtlasI mean so you're you're saying that because there isn't an equal representation in some of these top positions of power that what I just think representation of is also

Parisasomething that is very important because like what we see represented and the opinions that are shared and whether or not they are diverse has a big impact on

Brian Atlaslike society and just how it's governed do do you think that men and women are 100% the same I mean no

Brian Atlaslike not do you think that men and women have different um proclivities when it comes to their interests or for the types of jobs that they go into and this

Brian Atlasis kind of related to the wage Gap a little bit like what do you mean well is it the case that that temperamentally men and women have different interests

Courtney Ferriswhen it comes to various things but like I'm trying to think of how many women are in the oil field versus that what you're kind of getting at well a

Brian Atlaslittle bit but um could it be the case that generally speaking like when women are less interested in pursuing a political political career than men are I honestly would not say so I I'd say

Parisaespecially today that is not the case I just say that I if like you are for example like somebody who is a person of color and then now add on being a woman

Parisaon top of that like your chances of gaining that um like position of power is going to be a lot lower than somebody who is like the second most powerful person in the world is a woman of color well now it is but that's because of the

Parisafact that we were able to get a Democratic candidate in who was but does she deserve I mean like what what what the policies you love about Cala I mean personally I was not the biggest like

ParisaBiden and Cala person I was more of like like Bernie I was on that stance but like I think many would argue that Camala was given power so I okay I I I

Brian Atlashave a question this right sucked her power just just because there is a just because there is a discrepancy does it necessarily mean that it's due

Parisato sexism I mean not necessarily but I think that if there was not such a historical and like current impact of sexism I think that this discrepancy

Juliawould certainly be a lot less but I think the institutions that have we've talked about have been historically been where women have been oppressed or suppressed or whatever I

Juliamean so education women now graduate with like strikingly at a strikingly higher rate than men do they have more degrees um they're even entering fields that have been historically dominated like male dominated such as like stem

Juliacareers and so um women are getting more opportunities within the the job sphere to address the wage Gap in the major cities Across America if male and men

Juliaand women for um particularly like white collar jobs are get equal pay and if not the woman gets like slightly more more so I think in a lot of ways we've addressed these issues and so the narrative that they're still unaddressed

Juliais is cancerous to the flourishing of society because I think you need the flourishing of both sexes and obviously we're seeing a large population of men

Juliafeeling that they're now feeling oppressed and they're feeling upset and and almost like forgotten and it's leading to in some ways a toxic culture so I think that I think that if we look

Juliaat what women have have earned and been given I think they've exceeded that if we look at like the the job the pay Gap the the jobs the education the amount of degrees that are they're earning so they

Juliahave achieved these things and that's great and so but now we have to go back to balance like the pendulum swung now it needs to balance out also I would

Brian Atlasargue so the the percentage of men that have power is a very small percentage of men so this idea that all men are in

Brian Atlaspower or all men men have power over women is fallacious so it's probably like what percentage of men are CEOs what percentage of men are in boardrooms

Parisawhat percentage of men hold political power and I wouldn't say compar compared to the rest of men that the power is a lot easier to access and it's a lot more

Brian AtlasI don't know I'd just say that it's easier to get to as a man I would actually argue that most even male politicians plate to the the female

Parisavoter base but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's easier for a woman to well but that that could come down to

Brian Atlasthe the innate differences between men and women and what what the choices that they make when it comes to what they go to uh what what they choose to study in

Brian Atlascollege and also the career fields that they choose to go into for example there's there are more female nurses than male nurses is that evidence of a matriarchy and that women are oppressing

Brian Atlasmen because there are more women who are nurses just because there's a discrepancy does not necessarily mean it's because there's sexism that's true but a discrepancy in power and a

Parisadiscrepancy in what opinions are voiced and heard I would say does mean that there is a discrepancy in like that well there's a whole lot of issues that face women that get a lot of attention politically but it's not clear to me

Brian Atlasthat there's any male Centric issues that really get much political attention at all which I think they should I don't think that just I can't think of

Brian Atlasanything M when it comes to male male specific issues that gets attention like his podcast is apolitical right how many can I ask do you have

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