33 Year Old VIRGIN?! 5 Threesomes At *18*?! | Dating Talk #108

Date: 2023-10-11
Duration: 5h 40m

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)
SPEAKER_02Courtney Ferris(guest)
SPEAKER_03Greta(guest)
SPEAKER_04Sienna(guest)
SPEAKER_05Kiki(audience)
SPEAKER_06Julia(guest)
SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_09Steve(guest)
SPEAKER_11Noise/Laughter(audience)
SPEAKER_12Lauren(guest)
SPEAKER_13Madison(guest)
SPEAKER_14Parisa(guest)

Key Moments

00:07:00
Key Moment33-year-old virgin Lauren discusses her complete lack of in-person sexual attraction. Never been on a date, never had a crush in real life, never experienced attraction sufficient to pursue anyone. In 33 years, not one person has triggered pursuit. Only celebrity she finds attractive: Paul Walker.

I've never I've never dated never really been interested in dating... not even a crush in high school

00:09:16
QuoteLauren describes herself as "somewhere on the asexual spectrum" but avoids the label due to it being "taken over by the woke mob."

I think I'm somewhere on that spectrum... I hesitate to use the word asexual... it's been kind of taken over by the woke mob

00:14:38
Key MomentLauren says she would rather die a virgin than settle, even at 45. Brian challenges whether she is waiting for a unicorn that does not exist.

I would rather die a virgin than be with the wrong person... it could be are you would you be let's say you're like 45

00:18:59
QuoteLauren states she would rather die a virgin than be with the wrong person.

I would rather die a virgin than be with the wrong person like 100% rather rather die a virgin 100%

00:26:09
Key MomentGreta reveals she contracted chlamydia from a married couple she met via Tinder (her friend found them). The couple denied it afterward. Greta found out via regular STI testing.

they were great the chyia not so great... they denied it even after I told them but it was fine they were

00:34:41
Key MomentGreta reveals she had 5 threesomes by age 18. Brian is visibly surprised and confirms the count.

five five threesoms MH and but was it each one was like with a different group of people yes

00:34:55
Key MomentGreta describes the smoke shop mix-up: drunk at the beach, met a guy's brother (Billy) instead of the intended contact (Bobby), hooked up with Billy, then Billy left her stranded in a different city.

I walked up to his brother which was not him... I proceeded to have some fun with his brother... he left me at the he left me in a different city on the side of the road

01:01:40
Key MomentSienna describes her abusive ex-relationship (2018-2020): he gave her silent treatment when she declined sex, cheated by texting another girl, made her pay for everything, restricted her clothing, and made misogynistic comments about assault victims.

he would like expect sex... he'd be like I'm a horny little like teenage boy what do you expect... he would call you names he wouldn't let you go outside and shorts or a tank top

03:26:38
QuoteParisa states that the body count double standard is misogynistic — that sex should weigh equally regardless of gender.

I think it's misogynistic to say that like there's a difference between the weight that a woman's body count holds and a man's body count

05:08:28
QuoteSteve says he wishes he could go back and be a virgin, seeing his married brother's life as a model.

I wish I could go back and be a virgin I really do... I see how my brother my brother just had a baby he's married he's having a lovely life

05:10:17
QuoteBrian lists 15+ systematic disadvantages men face in the workplace (dangerous jobs, overtime, commute, etc.) in response to the wage gap discussion.

there's the trades gap there's the dangerous jobs gap 97 something like 97% of workplace deaths are men... more likely to die on the job gap more likely to be electrocuted to death gap

05:28:06
Key MomentGreta reveals her sugar daddy story: her sister's former sugar daddy found her via Venmo, first messaged when she was 15 (ignored), then at 17 (ghosted), resumed contact after 18; sent approximately $3,000 total.

he found me cuz he was my sister's sugar daddy... he hit me up at 15 I didn't respond to him until I was no 17... he's still your sugar daddy how much... probably like three grand

05:30:31
Key MomentSienna describes a sugar daddy who became creepy: referred to his genitals as "bulging," sent an unsolicited photo, she stopped contact. Received approximately $350 total.

he would refer to his like dick as a bulge and he'd be like I'm bulging I'm bulging... he sent me a picture of his dick and it was 14 in long

Topics Discussed

00:00:10
Guest Introductions

Brian opens show from Santa Barbara; mentions co-host Kiki (shy). Guests introduce: Greta (18, SBCC psychology/caregiver; mic issues initially), Parisa (18, SBCC English), Sienna (18, SBCC biology/nursing), Lauren (33, GBI agent trainee from Maine — virgin centerpiece), Courtney Ferris (27, Death to Digital agency co-founder), Julia (29, tech consultant), Steve (26, executive protection/entrepreneur, LA), Madison (18, Whatever Podcast staff/SBCC).

00:05:05
Relationship Status Round

Round of current relationship statuses: Greta (single 2yr, FWB sneaky link), Parisa (single 1 month), Sienna (new relationship 1 month), Lauren (never been in a relationship, never dated — extended discussion), Julia (relationship 2yr), Steve (single since May 2022), Madison (relationship 1+ year). Lauren's situation dominates the round — deep dive into her virginity, asexuality, dating abstinence, and standards.

00:07:00
Lauren's Virginity and Asexual Spectrum Identity

Extended segment on Lauren's 33-year virginity. Brian probes: never dated, no in-person attraction, possibly asexual but avoids label, would rather die a virgin than be with the wrong person, only attracted to Paul Walker type. Discussion of her connection-only requirement, divorced parents, college at U of Southern Maine. Steve and others react with disbelief. Lauren describes wanting only a long-term relationship (no marriage, no kids), not actively seeking, in her "let go and let God era."

00:23:20
Greta's Threesome History and Dating Stories

Brian reads Greta's pre-show notes. 5 threesomes at 18 — details of each. Married couple on Tinder gave her chlamydia. Smoke shop mix-up: accidentally hooked up with wrong brother (Bobby vs Billy), got abandoned in another city while drunk. Marine boyfriend tried to marry her after brief relationship. Ex-boyfriend with one testicle (testicular torsion/implosion). General dating philosophy: wants chivalry and flowers but also casual hookup freedom.

00:43:20
Chivalry, Traditional Dating, and Men Paying

Debate over whether men should pay for dates and practice chivalry. Greta: men should open doors and buy flowers. Brian: romantic gestures should be contingent on women moving traditionally/exclusively. Courtney: men create the environment; women shouldn't have to prove themselves first. Extended debate over whether current dating marketplace makes traditional gestures by men irrational.

01:01:00
Sienna's Abusive Relationship

Brian reads Sienna's pre-show notes. 2018-2020 relationship: emotionally and physically abusive boyfriend. He required sex to give her attention, sent her a screenshot of him texting another girl without breaking up first, made her pay for everything, restricted her clothing, made misogynistic rape victim-blaming comments (the final straw), attempted to use fireworks on her. Discussion of sex withholding dynamics in relationships.

01:03:20
Sex Expectations in Committed Relationships

Debate: should partners feel obligated to fulfill each other sexually? Brian argues dead bedrooms indicate incompatibility; men should be able to leave if sexually unfulfilled. Greta counters sex must be fully voluntary. Courtney cites Bible verse (do not withhold your body from your partner). Steve shares Miami situationship story: both gave silent treatment when declining sex.

01:26:40
Social Media and Going Out in Relationships

Discussion of whether women in relationships should post revealing photos online or go out partying frequently. Brian: women should keep some modesty in photos when in a committed relationship. Courtney: posting does not imply infidelity. Steve: women at clubs/bars create vulnerability situations. Debate over control vs. trust.

02:06:00
Cheating, Hookup Culture, and Modern Dating

Greta: stopped dating men because everyone cheats. Parisa: 99% of men will cheat. Brian: women cheat as much as men; both sexes in hookup culture. Discussion of what counts as cheating (porn, only fans, going to clubs). Debate over whether college relationships work. Courtney shares personal anecdote of respecting herself by staying after she clearly wasn't being respected.

02:22:00
Feminism Round and Wage Gap Debate

Each guest states whether they identify as feminist: Greta (yes, girls' girl), Parisa (yes, inequalities exist), Sienna (yes, raised that way), Lauren (not today's feminism), Courtney (no), Julia (yes for 1st wave suffrage only), Steve (no), Madison (no). Extended debate on wage gap: Parisa says it exists, Brian says it's been debunked. Discussion of women's occupational choices, hazardous work gaps, work-life balance differences. Brian lists 15+ "gaps" men face (dangerous jobs, overtime, commute, etc.).

02:42:00
Body Count Discussion

Key-in-lock theory debate. Brian argues high body count is undesirable in both sexes but especially in women due to attachment. Parisa: body count double standard is misogynistic. Courtney: past is past, it's about current character. Body count reveals at ~303min: Madison=8, Greta=16, Lauren=0 (virgin), Parisa declined, Sienna declined, Steve declined (Navy joke), Brian "more than one."

04:55:00
Abortion, Feminism, and Equality Debate (Late Show)

Continuation of feminism debate: Parisa argues for complete equality including men's issues. Discussion of abortion (California context). Brian: modern feminism is a corporate psyop to double the labor pool. Extended debate on whether gynocentric society exists. Brian lists men's systematic disadvantages.

05:12:00
Ratings Round

Self-rated looks (1-10): Julia=7 then revised to 10, Parisa=7, Sienna=7.5, Courtney=8 then 10 (noting boyfriend was watching), Steve=8.5, Madison=6. Brian declines to rate panel; says he cannot pick 7.

05:34:30
Sugar Daddy Stories

Greta: sister's former sugar daddy found her via Venmo; first contact at 15 (ignored), resumed at 17-18; received ~$3,000 total. Sienna: sugar daddy sent ~$350 via Snapchat; became creepy (called himself "bulging"), she stopped contact after he sent unsolicited photo.

Transcript

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02:50:30
Brian Atlasloock women do struggle when it comes to dating and relationships and having long-term relationships sure I think both men and women struggle when it comes to dating but if we're talking
02:50:41
Gretaabout purely just getting laid just having sex you you think it's just 50 like totally equivalent maybe it's not totally equivalent I'm just saying men can be [ __ ] just as much as women can
02:50:53
Brian Atlasbe [ __ ] sure but that's not what I was saying I was saying that any woman could be a [ __ ] not any man can be a
02:51:03
Brian Atlas[ __ ] okay let's here let's let's set our definitions right let's say the definition of being a [ __ ] is sleeping with a new guy every single day or a new
02:51:12
Brian Atlasperson excuse me a new person every single day of the week I think I think most women if they're on the dating app could probably do that I
02:51:24
Gretawould say most men probably can't do that I agree with that but I'm just saying so what are we arguing about here okay we don't have to argue I'm just saying that you said that any woman
02:51:36
Gretacould be a [ __ ] and not any man that can be a [ __ ] yes but if it's with a dating app yeah if a woman wants to go cuz women normally are the ones ones who like start sex and are like okay yes I
02:51:48
Gretawant to do this women start sex or they're the ones whatever the [ __ ] thank youo but I'm just saying they're the ones who normally control it so yes if a woman's on a dating app and she gets with this guy she's going to be
02:52:01
Gretathe one that's going to be like yes or no most times and so with the dating app it's different but I'm just saying that I feel like any woman has just as much any chance to be a [ __ ] as a guy or
02:52:14
Gretawhatever I think she's saying believe in yourself yes thank you I think she just proved Brian right you can I think you guys kind of agree but like I I'm not like trying to fight you on it I'm just
02:52:26
Brian Atlassaying that I think everybody could be a [ __ ] and they all have equal opportunity to be a SL well then you're just totally oblivious to to the difficulty with which most men have when it comes to getting laid maybe you're just only
02:52:38
Brian Atlaslooking at the top percentage of men that have it a little bit easier when it comes to getting laid but I think you're really underestimating the the degree of sexual optionality that women have and
02:52:51
Brian AtlasI'll repeat it again an average woman's sexual optionality like if we're trying to do comparisons here an average woman has the equivalent sexual optionality as
02:53:01
Brian Atlasa male celebrity so a professional athlete a musician a uh an actor like a list celebrity these are these are men who are of such a high status that they
02:53:11
Brian Atlashave that degree of sexual access but most men are L like an average man average guy the guy you see when you walk into CVS who's working behind the
02:53:20
Brian Atlascash register he's not running through chicks he doesn't even have the capacity to do that even if he was really trying hard whereas women you just you just
02:53:33
Brian Atlasshow up basically you could just get on a dating app if you wanted to well I I'll open it up to the girls right if you wanted to get laid tonight do you think you could with a new guy you might not that might not be
02:53:46
Brian Atlassomething you want to do but do you think you could no oh my God this girl's so full of [ __ ] okay you don't think you could get laid tonight with a new guy no what
02:53:57
Gretaabout that conversation with with the brothers you met him the day of and is it like just Santa Barbara or anywhere then yeah anywhere in the world you're currently you're currently on a dating app right you're on Tinder mhm you're
02:54:09
Courtney Ferrissaying how many matches do you currently have on Tinder I don't know hundreds maybe you're saying like there's not guys messaging you asking if your DTF maybe I can but are your standards too
02:54:21
Brian Atlashigh for that so they're all NOS to you you know is that what you're saying yeah it's also just like yeah right but could you get a like guy of
02:54:32
Brian Atlasequivalent attractiveness level as you could you sleep with him tonight it's 8:15 p.m. yes yes okay what about you do
02:54:43
Brian Atlasyou think you if you wanted to do you think You' get laid tonight by a new guy yeah into into the mic yeah she wants to she wants to say no to
02:54:55
Brian Atlaslike fight me on this well I mean yeah you mean no but you mean yeah I don't want to but yeah well yeah no I'm saying I know you're in a one month is it
02:55:05
Siennareally a situationship one month it was it's basically like February whatever February March they've been talking since February but they're official for one month okay that's nine months I thought when we messaged you you said
02:55:17
Brian Atlasyou were in like a situationship no I I did or maybe I got I got I got got up maybe I got you mixed up okay so you're in a relationship yeah okay um let's say you were single though like come on okay
02:55:29
Brian Atlasyou could you could probably get late tonight yeah probably you could you've been on dating apps before yeah yeah okay I mean I know you're 33-year-old virin over I suppose I could you
02:55:41
Courtney Ferrisprobably could what about you I have a boyfriend but I think all women women can definitely easily get laid because men are easy yeah men are easy yeah yes
02:55:51
Brian Atlasyeah it's like it's it's very easy for women to get laid it's relatively comparatively harder for men to get laid you disagree I mean no you're
02:56:02
Brian Atlaslooking at me to disagree no but you well you disagreed earlier you said you changed my viewpoint Oh okay that's cool did you have something Sienna no no I
02:56:14
Gretadon't know if I actually did change your Viewpoint though all I was trying to say is that men can be just as much as [ __ ] as women if they tried harder as you said if any guy wanted to go [ __ ] a girl
02:56:26
Gretatonight and they probably couldn't any girl probably could so I'm agree but I'm just saying that in all I think men are [ __ ] just as much as women
02:56:40
Brian Atlasare even if they can't I think men have the desire yeah but it's not clear to me if they have the capacity or the capability because of the relative
02:56:52
Brian Atlasdifficulty that it takes because like most women like it's not and we've done this like we've done this experiment like you could go out on the street as a guy and ask a hundred women hey I think
02:57:04
Brian Atlasyou're cute would you like to hook up tonight do you want to have sex tonight like they're all going to say no whereas like a woman goes goes out and does that exact same experiment she's G to we've done it we did the
02:57:16
Brian Atlasvideo on it she's going to get like anywhere from 30 to 50% of the guys that are going to say yes so or same thing with a dating app like
02:57:27
Brian Atlasmost women are going to want something take me on a date first meet up with me first I'm look I'm some women hook up like I get it but it's going to
02:57:37
Brian Atlasbe for most guys it's that's why when it let me ask you a question when you want to have sex is that is there any luck involved what do you mean luck like do
02:57:48
Brian Atlasyou do you does it require luck like if you wake up one morning and say I'd like to have sex today with a new guy would it require like like with
02:58:00
Brian Atlascertainty don't you think it would come true um not 100% of the time well if you made an effort like if you were on the dating apps you're like hey let's hang out let's hang out let's hang out
02:58:12
Brian Atlaswhereas most men like we could send out a 100 messages on a dating app hey do you want to hang out tonight like yeah that's there's no guarantee but most women if you wanted to like you could almost with certainty
02:58:26
Brian Atlasget laid also let me ask you a question when it comes to rejection um do you reject more men than do men reject
02:58:40
Brian Atlasyou yes yeah yeah definitely yeah yes okay so all those guys you're
02:58:50
Brian Atlasrejecting are also getting rejected by all the other women too most likely so you know whatever Good Times
02:58:59
Brian Atlasum I'm trying to think uh but your okay so your thing was is body count the same that's kind of where we stemmed from this conversation yeah
02:59:12
Brian Atlasyeah so I mean that's I think I kind of already went over my reasoning why I think it's different um so do you you object you think men should not judge
02:59:25
Courtney Ferriswomen on their body count is that kind of what you're saying yeah okay like past is in the past past is the past huh okay I don't think we should judge anybody on their body count but
02:59:38
Courtney Ferrisit's also important to note like if you don't want to date someone with hundreds of people that they've slept with that's totally okay too well that that kind of you're kind of contradicting your prior
02:59:50
Courtney Ferrisstatement you don't have to date them but to judge them and make them into a bad person because they explore their sexuality isn't necessarily right either well do you think it's judgmental
02:59:59
Brian Atlasfor a man to judge a woman and not want to date her because she has a because of her body count no I don't think that's judgmental I think that's making your own boundaries well what's the
03:00:10
Brian Atlasdifference between do you think okay I guess like shaming are youing and having preferences if we if I was to say the following statement I would not date a
03:00:22
Brian Atlaswoman who has a high body count is that being judgmental no calling her like a slur is though I don't think it's
03:00:32
Parisajudgmental um I don't know to some extent I feel like it is because I don't think that it should necessarily matter
03:00:41
Laurenmhm body count shouldn't matter okay um I don't have a I don't know okay I think it matters but I also like self serving me to say that
03:00:53
Brian Atlascuz you're at zero I'm trying to think how I can frame this uh would it be judgmental for me to recommend to other men that you they
03:01:04
Brian Atlasshould not date women with a high body count is that worse than just my own internal personal preference would it be worse for me to say hey other men out there I don't think
03:01:16
Courtney Ferrisyou should date women with a high body count is that a bit if you think about it like men have really high sex drives so it's like those men with really high sex drives your compatible partner is a woman with a really high sex drive well
03:01:28
Courtney Ferristhere's a difference between high sex drive and high body count not I mean yes and no like someone with a high sex drive who's not in a relationship will most likely have a high body count a
03:01:37
Brian Atlaswoman could have one sexual partner and have a sex drive uh high sex drive yeah but then you're dating and you're in a relationship at that point but I'm
03:01:47
Brian Atlasfailing to see the connection between I'm feeling as a so if you have a high a high sex drive as a as a man and you're single if you have a high sex
03:01:59
Courtney Ferrisdrive as a man you should pair off with a woman with a high body count no not necessarily but you shouldn't put her down or tell other men not to because if their sex drives are that high and they're looking for a woman with a high
03:02:10
Juliasex drive what do you expect you know that's an interesting point Brian do you think that if a woman has a low body count she has a low sex track no no it
03:02:22
Courtney Ferrisdoesn't there's no correlation that's fair I don't but the possibility is there too for the higher sex drive with the higher body count like it makes sense that's true so you just assume she has more self-control I don't think I'm
03:02:33
Brian AtlasI'm willing to a woman having a high sex drive is not a compelling enough reason for me to date or pursue a woman with with a high
03:02:43
Courtney Ferrisbody count so okay I also wouldn't date a man with a high body count so I don't disagree but um this whole judgmental thing
03:02:54
Brian Atlasso kind of judgmental for a guy to not want to date a woman with a high body count for you I think most of you were like but I think most some of you were
03:03:03
Brian Atlaslike yes it is judgmental to tell other men to not date women with ey body count yeah cuz you're going out of your way to be like I'm not being mean about
03:03:14
Madisonit I'm just saying hey that's probably not a good bet for I don't think that's judgmental what's judgmental would be like Oh I'm not going to date you because you have a high body like if
03:03:25
Madisonyou're saying that directly to someone that's what's judgmental MH well I think
03:03:34
Brian Atlasthat this comes down to uh the shaming language that is often met when with men's preferences standards and
03:03:43
Brian Atlasboundaries insecure controlling you're judge you're judgmental again men's preferences standards and boundaries are always
03:03:53
Brian Atlasgoing to be under attack nobody has any issues nobody bats an eye when a woman says I want a guy who's this tall I want a guy who's this fit I want a guy whose dick is this big I want XYZ in a partner I want a guy who makes this much money I
03:04:07
Brian Atlaswant a guy who's funny I want a guy who's charismatic but when a guy says I don't want a girl with high body count I want want a woman who's feminine and pleasant and who's going to bring me peace and all these things it's always I
03:04:19
Brian Atlaswant a woman who doesn't go out to bars and clubs and parties Etc it's always met with some sort of shaming langu shaming language contempt
03:04:31
Brian AtlasEtc I can see that women tell women tell other women all kinds of reasons why you shouldn't date other men women have all kinds of preferences
03:04:42
Brian Atlasstandards and boundar when it comes to the men that y'all date y'all have long I'd say women I think we can all agree I hope we can agree on this one I think women probably for biological reasons
03:04:54
Brian Atlasbecause they if you get pregnant that's evolutionary psychology because of the higher burden on women when it comes to selecting a a mate selecting a
03:05:06
Brian Atlaspartner I think women are biologically more likely to be selective they're more selective and they're more picky when it comes to who they who they date who they sleep with so women have long lists of things that
03:05:18
Laurenthey want in a partner but when men have a couple things that we care about oh my God judgment I think it's fine to have preferences as a guy I think I mean I think everyone should have like
03:05:30
Parisapreferences and standards and boundaries but why is it judgmental I don't think it is personally why is it judgmental what to not you you said it's kind of or I think it was PRI so why is it judgmental I just feel like it's okay to
03:05:42
Parisahave boundaries with certain things but it depends what the topic is body I feel like in regards to something like body count there's so many circumstances and
03:05:52
Parisastuff that plays into it and a lot of the logic and the rhetoric behind supporting not wanting a woman with a high body count is kind of just like a
03:06:03
Parisalot of misogynistic stuff like I don't know like the whole key in the lock thing or like saying that like there's more value in certain things like that I just feel like the whole perspective behind it is all kind of like wrong well
03:06:16
Courtney Ferrisyeah and what is a high body count is it five is it 20 is it 100 yeah it's all personal yeah it's all like different to everyone too I mean why is it misogynistic how's it misogynistic to
03:06:28
Parisacare about a woman's body count I think it's misogynistic to say that like there's a difference between the weight that a woman's body count holds and a man's body count because I think that at the end of the day like sex is sex if a
03:06:40
Brian Atlasman is having sex with a woman it holds the same way as like a woman having sex with a man well but okay this comes back to and again like I don't think it's
03:06:50
Brian Atlasmisogynistic to use an analogy to try to better articulate or communicate a point I think the the reason that it's judged
03:07:00
Brian Atlasdifferently is because the ease with which that you can that men and women can get sex so again and if you I'm
03:07:11
Brian Atlasprepared to have a debate on it but you guys haven't given me much push back so my position is is that it's very very easy for women to get laid comparatively speaking it's hard for men to get laid
03:07:24
Brian Atlasif you have arguments to counter that position I'm prepared to hear them but if if you're just going to allow me to assert the position and I haven't heard any contrary
03:07:35
Brian Atlasopinion if it is the case that it's harder for for men to get laid and it's very easy for women to get laid
03:07:44
Brian Atlasthen it does lend itself to the view that if something is difficult that's going to be revered to some degree that's going to be impressive to people
03:07:56
Brian Atlaswhereas if something's very easy that's not impressive so that's why it's like for men who get laid a lot which is it's rather a difficult thing for for men to
03:08:07
Brian Atlasdo um that might be viewed as like wow you you have game you but women need not have game or money or status or even
03:08:18
Brian Atlasreally even be physically attractive to just like have constant sex you just need to make yourself available and you can get laid so for a man to get laid he
03:08:29
Brian Atlasneeds to be bringing something his either his personality his looks his status or something his Riz his game women don't need game you don't need game to get laid I feel like that's
03:08:40
Parisaoversimplifying it though for women too cuz cuz I feel like you're it seems like you're more under the assumption that like every woman can get laid but like I have like known like so many people like
03:08:53
Parisawomen who are my age who are literally like virgins and it's not by choice like it's simply because like there aren't options for them and there's like genuinely like nobody that's pursuing them and like they'll put themselves out
03:09:04
Parisathere they'll go out with me they it's like the same things I just think that it's all situational and then bringing sh shame into something that depends so much on a situation is something which is just unnecessary in my opinion are
03:09:17
Juliathose people you're referring to do they do they are would they say they're heterosexual or would they say they're a lesbian I've seen it uh all like sides of the spectrum on sexuality because
03:09:29
Juliait's interesting if you're a lesbian and it's it's harder for a lesbian to get another to get a woman to if it's harder for lesbians to be [ __ ] than it is for like heterosexual women to be [ __ ]
03:09:40
Juliathat's kind of a twist because the idea is women are more selective and so if you're pursuing women then it sure I see what you're saying well and what is interesting to
03:09:51
Brian Atlasme well okay um so you're saying you know women that I mean what I would say is is that again we're not speaking about
03:10:02
Brian Atlasrelationships because we're speaking about strictly just getting laid getting sex right so you're you're telling me that there are
03:10:13
Brian Atlas18-year-old women that they to me it's not if they wanted to get laid they could they're just waiting for the right guy they want to
03:10:23
Parisawait find the perfect guy or some [ __ ] but like genuinely like I don't think you understand like no play like I'm telling you like there I don't cuz there
03:10:33
Parisaare genuinely girls out there which like I would say do struggle with finding guys who are interested in them and like they do they do they have any guys in the friend zone these women no I would
03:10:44
Parisanot say so I think it's genuinely like a lack of interest and I think are they on dating apps um I'd say that I've I've known women who have actually like genuinely tried to put themselves out there and it does not work I just feel
03:10:56
Parisalike the issue is being like overly simplified and then bringing shame into an issue that's being overly simplified well here I'll come to that donated
03:11:05
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03:11:14
Brian Atlaswhy what can't find a man of get sex can't find a man or get sex can't find a man or get sex I'm Wonder yeah I don't
03:11:24
Brian Atlasknow um I mean I would say because these women are young they're 18 I mean it's could Pro it could be because
03:11:35
Brian Atlasobviously like some people that's around the time people first start dating I know some people will start dating in high school and stuff but I mean you're you're still living with your
03:11:46
Steveparents you're at home that obviously can complicate things um how many people do you know do I know yeah you're what 34 right how many people have you come past
03:11:58
SteveMillions probably right thousands yeah a ton how many people have you come across in 18 years of life into the mic if you're going to I
03:12:08
Stevedon't know probably like a lot you would say a lot less than I would say like 700 14 14 years of experience right I'm 26 I've I've been to 30 countries I've seen
03:12:19
Stevea lot of people but being 18 the pool of people that you're interacting with it's a lot smaller than someone that's a little bit older if that kind of if we can kind of
03:12:29
Brian Atlasthink that way yeah I see what you're saying I I think the thing is is that I wonder I don't know what the average age of people like losing their virginity is but like I'd say like most
03:12:40
Brian Atlaswomen if you're a virgin like you're primary goal probably some women just want to lose it I get that but I'm I would assume that the girls that you're
03:12:48
Brian Atlassaying are struggling to even get laid they are probably one not down to just hook up immediately I assume they want to build they don't want it to just be a
03:13:00
Parisaone night stand so they probably I mean you know them better right do they want to just [ __ ] any dude I just feel like a lot of these girls it's like it it's they're like actually looking for like
03:13:13
Parisajust genuinely somebody who's interested in them and there's nobody that's interested it's not about like like [ __ ] it's like somebody who's actually like interested like to pursue that and there's like nobody that's
03:13:24
Brian Atlasinterested but so the conversation we're having is strictly about getting sex getting laid and if their standard is
03:13:34
Parisawell I want a boyfriend there's nobody interested in having sex with them that's what I'm saying like there's nobody that is pursuing that and like trying to like make that happen so
03:13:45
Brian Atlasyou're saying that and then like their their attempts are like not working out you're saying of your female friends they um there are no guys even pursuing
03:13:56
Brian Atlasthem for casual sex are they open to Casual Sex I'm saying I've met people who like I thought you said friends like yeah like friends who can you show me a photo right now the I'm very curious to see a photo I'm very curious can you
03:14:09
Brian Atlasshow me a photo because no I won't show you photo no not on the camera just show me right here I would no why why not know of a girl that knows of a girl she knows a girl who knows a girl like that knows another one no I've just genuinely
03:14:21
Parisalike known people and I feel like it's not I I don't know I feel like bringing like their looks into it and then like shaming them for that is like a whole other thing or being like oh this I know but like bringing their looks into it I
03:14:32
Parisajust think my stance on the issue is that there are genuinely girls who do struggle with getting late and I think that simplifying the issue down to it's liter it's so impossible
03:14:43
Brian Atlasit's just like it's impossible to struggle it's not impossible impossible to Struggle No it's like you you a below average girl can go download
03:14:54
Brian Atlasa dating app within a 24-hour period you have a 100 messages of guys who are down to [ __ ] this this whole I'm sorry to call it [ __ ] on this but like they just
03:15:04
Brian Atlasreally they just really haven't tried you just download Tinder you don't have to message any of the guys they'll message you you have 100 guys that are
03:15:12
Brian AtlasDTF within 24 hours one picture 100% you said they're on dating apps I just either they're they're way too picky their standards are too high they're waiting for love they're waiting for a
03:15:25
Brian Atlaslong-term relationship I don't think most women want to lose like lose their virginity to a one night stand I mean yeah that's true but like I I think it's
03:15:35
Brian Atlassituational though right but if we remove like the the obviously like I I feel like for for most women they probably don't want to just when it comes to losing their virginity they
03:15:47
Brian Atlasprobably want to lose it to a guy that they at least somewhat care about and that he somewhat cares about them so if we remove that cohort of people from this discussion because we can talk about
03:15:58
Brian Atlasthese like exceptional cases but like take take if you take group of people that have had sex yes it's harder for men to get laid than it is for women to get
03:16:11
Parisalaid so what are you saying so you're saying that I mean I would agree that it is harder for for men to get laid than woman but I don't think that there's
03:16:21
Parisalike a very Stark difference there's a huge difference a huge difference I wouldn't I'd say it depends on like how attractive you are because I'd say that
03:16:31
Parisaif somebody if I'd say my stance on it is that if there's like an ugly man and an ugly woman I think it would be equally as hard for both of them to get laid no but if it was an attractive man
03:16:44
Brian Atlaswe have to find this clip Nick can you find the clip it's uh I'm gonna see if I can find it it's uh what hm I'm trying to think six it
03:16:55
Brian Atlasmight be on my Twitter six dudes one night oh God I don't know if that's it whoa uh yeah okay
03:17:05
Brian Atlasso just in YouTube Six dudes one night and then there's a whatever second clip oh my gosh oh that's Madison Madison was on that episode the very first whatever
03:17:18
Brian Atlasepisode so I would actually argue that the difference as got to a point where oh hold on we'll let this come through and
03:17:28
TTS Readerthe offender donated $99 noodle hair over here is trying to claim that here female friends are in cells you do realize that since they control sexual access they decide when
03:17:40
Parisato lose their virginity first of all I love noodles I love noodles girl I mean honestly I just think that the whole like my stance on
03:17:50
Parisait is just that I wouldn't say that there like I don't know I just think that there's not a stark difference in like how hard it would be for like an
03:18:00
TTS Readerugly woman and an ugly man pated $100 hi Brian I loved whatever 10 years ago thank you for making a great comeback with this channel by making
03:18:10
TTS Readerthese very relatable podcasts can you bring Andrea back none of these chicks have asked 100 guys for sex bring OG Andre back should we we
03:18:21
Brian Atlascould pull up that video maybe but yo P patelli patelli lab thank you man appreciate it uh I actually invited Andrea to come be on the podcast but
03:18:30
Brian Atlasshe it's not gonna happen um Nick can you play the uh video yeah yes yes yes yes go for it point where like I was 19 and I got kicked out of my house because I was
03:18:43
SPEAKER_10like bringing over six dudes a night like it just was never enough enough was never enough so yeah what wait s six
03:18:53
Brian Atlasdudes a night for like a consecutive week yeah yeah so 6times 30 wait my math is dog sh by the way and how were you meeting these guys um usually dating
03:19:05
Brian Atlasapps I have like a hard time approaching men I usually just wait until they approach me so like would you slot them in like 7:00 p.m. 800 p.m. 900 p.m. 10 p.m. yeah yep okay and then I would even
03:19:16
SPEAKER_10oh sorry no go ahead I say I would even like have like my backup guys to where it was like if this guy didn't come tonight then I have then I would invite this guy and then if he did come if the
03:19:27
Brian Atlasfirst guy guy did come then I'd tell the other guy oh I'm busy like I can't you know make it or whatever you can pause Nick um so that was a woman we had on
03:19:37
Brian Atlasthe show um she's pretty average she's actually I'm not saying this to be mean she's overweight just as a statement of fact
03:19:48
Brian Atlasum you heard it from her mouth she was for a week straight six dudes a night my math was off on that what six times
03:19:57
Brian Atlaswhat's six times too many it's been a minute since I took calculus okay um so uh that's an average like her male can
03:20:09
Brian Atlasyou pull it up uh just the again we're not going to watch the clip oh did you close it out or okay um her male looks equivalent so like
03:20:20
Brian Atlasaverage looking dude who's overweight you have to be [ __ ] post Malone or like you have to be I don't
03:20:29
Brian Atlasknow how rich and famous you have to be to [ __ ] Six Women a night while being her looks equivalent but there's not just like overweight average looking men that are can do this Rob Kardashian I'm
03:20:42
Brian AtlasI'm not saying this to be mean to her I'm just we're having a conversation about it as a very matter of fact she's an average looking woman she's overweight I'm not making fun of her for
03:20:52
Brian Atlasher weight it's just a statement of fact she's got a lovely pink sweater okay um great personality Wonder yeah I mean she
03:21:03
Brian Atlasso her male looks equivalent I don't care I don't know what Universe it is is not sleeping with six women in a day your 18-year-old friends 19-year-old
03:21:15
Brian Atlasfriends whatever that are virgins if they wanted to could get laid tonight but they're they probably want something more than just to get laid which is good I think that's fine but we're having a
03:21:28
Brian Atlasconversation about the Judgment the differences when it comes to judgment with body count and um you saying that there's an equ
03:21:40
Brian Atlasit's kind of about the same like an average guy or a below average guy and the below average women are going to have be able to get sex at the same rate is just well why why do you think that now
03:21:52
Parisalike it should be like that a high body count is undesirable for the because I get what you're saying that like there is a certain level of like praise that may come with like a man like of like
03:22:05
Parisalet's just say a lower look standard who can pull to that extent but like why would you say that now a woman should be shamed for having a higher body count I don't think or less desirable sure I
03:22:17
Brian Atlaswell I think it's important we Define our terms should she be shamed is shame such a bad thing um
03:22:27
Brian Atlasbut I mean because how else do you do if if we let me ask you a question right is hookup culture
03:22:37
Parisabad yes we'll start we'll go around yes and no honestly like some aspects of it but
03:22:48
Brian Atlasit's unavoidable so it's unavoidable yeah like with today's day and age I feel like but maybe we can reclaim the culture maybe we can take back the
03:22:59
Brian Atlasculture and start shifting things towards people valuing relationships towards people valuing monogamy towards people valuing not just having a string of casual sexual partners that don't
03:23:11
Brian Atlasgive a [ __ ] about you and actually returning to a point where if you have sex with somebody at the very least they should like you at the very least they
03:23:19
Brian Atlasshould want to pursue something more amen do you think is what you is hookup culture good or bad both okay all right why is it bad
03:23:32
Brian Atlaswhat are the bad things about hookup culture well it may um well I I'm in like the air just because like personal PR juggler can we get some balls that was that was some
03:23:44
Siennalike juggling you have very good technique you should become a juggler but I don't know I'm just in there cuz like keep going um you're making me lose
03:23:53
Siennamy thought um just cuz like it's all personal pref personal preference like you could want to be in a relationship and not hook up with a lot of people and
03:24:03
Siennathen there's some people that um gain a lot of um validation from that okay yeah um do any girls here want I don't like hookup culture I don't think that it
03:24:15
Courtney Ferrisreally plays into like my own ideals in a relationship for my future and I think that a lot of women actually get manipulated into hookup Culture by men personally cuz I've been called prude
03:24:26
Brian AtlasI've been told I don't put out like as a negative thing so I don't know is it a W for women to just like sleep with a bunch of men that don't give a [ __ ] about you that just want to use you for
03:24:38
Brian Atlasyour body like is that really a w like sure in the shortterm it's short-term pleasure seeking and honestly like I don't know if this is
03:24:48
Brian Atlastoo like do most women actually get I don't know sexual pleasure in a one night stand like as the are most men like preoccupied with like making you
03:24:59
Brian Atlascome making sure like I don't know like me personally if I the first time I with a girl I want to try to make her come but some guys just don't give a [ __ ] I don't know
03:25:09
Brian Atlasso like you're not busting a nut you as a girl you're not you're not climaxing yeah is it even is there
03:25:19
Brian Atlasreally a w to just [ __ ] a bunch of dudes like I don't get it I mean not a w but it works for what what do you mean it works validation but you should you should get I think you should get your validation
03:25:31
Siennainterally I'm not saying that's me but like I can see it's bad though to get your validation externally from some guy that doesn't give a [ __ ] about you he's just [ __ ] brain it's a part of like
03:25:43
Siennauh I guess um issues have some girls have may have had in the past that affect how
03:25:52
Brian Atlasthey get attention now like Daddy probably like Daddy is TI brain um daddy issues no it's just like it's this Tik Tock brain of constantly
03:26:03
Brian Atlasneeding like attention or constantly needing um like the the shiny object donated $100 I'm a certified proud woman hater
03:26:16
TTS Readerbut I'd you blame be forgetting six STS a night blame the six desperate trailer park goofballs for showing up your welfare
03:26:26
Brian Atlasboneheads putting these land animals on the pedestal I do think men have some I do think men are playing into it
03:26:36
Brian Atlasdefinitely like if I think both men and women have a part to play here like men should also not be sleeping with women
03:26:44
Brian Atlasthat they don't want to pursue anything with long term so I don't know um oh that's That's Mike Davis by the way wow
03:26:55
Brian Atlashe just he he's very uh he he's very angry because he works at Burger King he lost all his Burger Kings it's it's sad he used to
03:27:06
Brian Atlasown Burger Kings but he lost lose them yeah he lost he that's so sad Burg King has not been doing well so now he's he's flipping burgers very sorry to hear that it's unfortunate um I know look I don't
03:27:18
Siennaknow where I was going with the what were we talking about Sienna help me out here we're talking about um hookup culture culture Val but like so oh this goes
03:27:30
Brian Atlasback to the body count thing like if hookup culture is bad having a high body count is directly related to hookup culture so high body count bad
03:27:41
Brian Atlaspromiscuity bad hookup culture bad you can't have hookup culture if people try to suppress have like they're getting a
03:27:51
Brian Atlashigh body count if you suppress casual sex and Casual Sex leads to having a high body count a hookup culture is greatly
03:28:01
Brian Atlasdiminished or does not exist so it's all connected so if we start shaming or judging high body counts that is us acely trying to fight back against the
03:28:13
Courtney Ferrishookup culture that so many men and women are clearly dissatisfied with but then that's counterproductive because then nobody's going to be open to having sex or sexual relationships it lead more relationships it could lead to more
03:28:25
Courtney Ferrisrelationship might be happy if you're in a relationship pound go to Pound Town go for it yeah but shaming people will like overall over time shaming people for having sex or a high body count or
03:28:38
Brian Atlaspartaking in hookup culture which we shouldn't shame but should it be okay but let's say somebody was having sex let's say there was a a large cohort of people that was
03:28:49
Brian Atlas[ __ ] two new people a week I don't think that's I don't think that's a good way to move through life whether you're a man or a
03:28:59
Brian Atlaswoman so if we as a society were to look at that and say this is behavior Unbecoming of a healthy Society
03:29:10
Brian Atlasshouldn't we sh maybe we shame it and if it's a shameful activity are people less inclined to engage in it like how do you how do you combat hookup culture if we
03:29:21
Brian Atlasacknowledge hookup culture is bad how do you combat that without shame cuz we're not going to legis there's obviously we can't legislate this we can't pass a law no you're only
03:29:32
Juliaallowed to [ __ ] one person a year I mean for felony straight to jail women just say no when they don't want to you but young girl I mean the problem is that these like what when you're
03:29:45
Julia18 you just I think that it's like you go to college it's like all these opportunities and there's these frat parties and there's these cute college boys and there's just all these things and you're you're not necessarily think I mean I mean I don't are any of you
03:29:57
Juliaguys thinking about wanting to be married anytime soon I mean like honestly swear to God no I did with my ex be honest okay babies been married okay but like so would you want a father
03:30:09
Julialike would you want to be married before you kids or no do you um does it not matter it doesn't matter okay so if it doesn't matter so let's just assume like you're not necessarily looking for marriage baby's aside you're not necessarily looking for marriage so you're not thinking that far ahead so
03:30:22
Juliathen you get sucked into this culture which is saying like it's fine everyone's doing it no problem and you're not developing the values that would make you a valuable partner I think you can change
03:30:33
Brian Atlasthough I so you are you saying spend your 20s just getting absolutely ran through and then when you're when you're ready
03:30:43
Juliato settle down then you change you can do whatever you want like I don't care it's not it's not wise like what it like the problem like there's a lot of women
03:30:53
Juliain their 30s now who are saying I wish I didn't do that and if I had if I had someone like an older sister or if I could go back and tell my younger self I would have warned her and the thing is a lot of times the younger self I don't
03:31:05
Juliaeven know if the younger self would listen but it's just so tempting and and fun and it seems fulfilling but how many I mean how many of y'all have like slept with a guy what you're in his his dorm
03:31:17
Juliabed and he is sitting there like snoring away or whatever his room is disgusting his bathroom floor is sticky the toilet seats up there's pee every when was the last time he cleaned his bathroom you know what I mean like and you're just
03:31:27
Juliasitting there he literally busted a nut took him two minutes this sounds very no no no no my imagination is vivid he took him 2 minutes 2 minutes busted a nut fell asleep he was not worried about
03:31:40
Julialike your pleasure anything like that and then does he even like walk you to the dining hall in the morning no in fact he might be so rude no no for sure happens no but you're right though like raise your standards as a woman like I
03:31:54
Juliaknow but it's hard to do that when you're 18 unless life and especially when the culture is saying like get your bad girl be free be you all it's so fun like literally that's what the culture says the culture says that it's fun and it's good and then they they then you
03:32:05
Juliabuy into it and then you're hurt and then and then there's damage so I just think I think there I think think having a more sensitive um cautious culture would
03:32:15
Brian Atlasactually be better for more people in the long run agre yeah also STDs hello great you're allow do what we have you want to remind us the threesome
03:32:27
Brian AtlasH what happened there oh tell us what happened wow I got cidia from not a w from predators oh my God not predat just like to say that they were mean people
03:32:40
Gretaif they didn't tell tell you about it that's not nice that was [ __ ] up you know I wish that never happened she got chyia yeah but she got do that goes
03:32:50
Brian Atlasaround here so everybody wear condoms did wait question did didn't use condoms shouldn't have brought that [ __ ] up crazy go condom wait let's go into that
03:33:01
Brian Atlasum of your five threesoms did you wear condom in any of them or well not you but the guys I guess yes good but in the other one the guy didn't like chyia one
03:33:11
Brian Atlasjust the Chia one you sure about that sadly okay um but you've learned now you know and I've learned that's the thing people I'm going to be I'm going to be straight up I'm going to be be straight up Brian's doing great people are
03:33:24
Brian Atlas[ __ ] without condoms a lot of people what I'm just kidding was come on people are [ __ ] without condoms even like in no one likes a condom we all know suck condom suck so no thank you I think it's
03:33:37
Brian Atlasgood that's why this message is good for more people why did you just laugh there like a kind of guilty sort of way guilty laughter Oh Brian you better put respect on my name I'm not one of your beta male
03:33:47
Brian Atlasproducers one-on-one men to man if you were ever if you were to ever get it on I'd make bro I'd get make easy work out of your soft ass I'd flat you worse than
03:33:58
Brian Atlasthe Whopper sat on by that plus- siiz blank you had on Mike Davis I love you dude Mike Davis I wasn't I wasn't uh calling you out what did I say what I said that he got fired from his Burger
03:34:11
Brian AtlasKing yeah and he owned a lot of Burger King no but here's the thing yeah you went in in life Mike Davis I know you're upset about the Burger King failure there's ups and downs I spoke with Mike Davis on the phone the other day he's
03:34:22
Brian Atlasgoing through it right now however he's going to get back on the train on the he's going to get back back on the line and he's now G to make sure that he
03:34:33
Brian Atlasfranchises a much more reputable franchise frankly Mike Davis Burger King ISD or something no he's going to he's hitting Chick-fil-A
03:34:45
Brian AtlasChick-fil-A chickfila for a reason yeah so uh Mike Davis let me just say this though or square foot Mr Mike Davis I just want to tell you one thing I will
03:34:57
SPEAKER_08rain down on a Godly [ __ ] Firestorm upon you you're going to have to call the [ __ ] United Nations and get a [ __ ] binding resolution to keep me from [ __ ] destroying you I am talking
03:35:06
SPEAKER_08scorched Earth [ __ ] I will Massacre you I will [ __ ] you up watch out Mike Davis I'm I'll do all that [ __ ]
03:35:14
Brian Atlasthat that thing said okay um what were we talking about [ __ ] STDs guys condoms don't use condoms STDs that's a perfect
03:35:26
Brian Atlasreason imagine if it was herpes though instead of the clap it was herpes Rip but she learns this is why I learned very Happ but even if you wear protection you can still get herpes oh
03:35:38
Brian Atlasreally I did not know that yeah it's a thing I don't know for real yeah see I'm terrified of the herbs that shit's for
03:35:47
Brian AtlasLife son teach us that shit's for Life teach us Brian well okay herpes Can it can be like on your the base of
03:35:58
Brian Atlasyour peen it can be like on your thigh or some [ __ ] like in the general genital area vicinity area and so if you have
03:36:08
Brian Atlaslike a if you're shedding like even before you have the thing I don't know some girl who we had we've had some girls on who say they have who
03:36:18
Brian Atlashad had heres so they've told me like so you can basically even if with a condom you can get herpes doesn't protect you from herpes
03:36:29
Brian Atlasjust around the area so herpes is on the rise all these other things are on the rise so and there's there's medication to prevent the flareups of herpes
03:36:41
Steveflare take it away you don't know when that when that [ __ ] flares up and it absolutely can happen do you I do not have herpes okay I let's just say I'm
03:36:51
Brian Atlasfamiliar yeah we've all done research right we tested quite a bit oh okay ladies man over here can I get some water try yeah Nick can you uh get her
03:37:01
Brian Atlassome water yeah um you me some water these girls are parched they need water but but it's it's dangerous as dangerous as H it's dangerous out there also like
03:37:12
Brian Atlasthis is why I think I don't think men should be like running through like having a lot although it is like okay if you're a guy and you can sleep with a lot of
03:37:24
Brian Atlaswomen to some degree that means that you have some game or Charisma or some sort of Riz good for you but I don't think it's like it's you're you're rolling the
03:37:35
Brian Atlasdice with your dick get one it's more attractive to have only get one you have to have dick discipline because it's not a [ __ ] W it's not Alpha it's not high value yeah
03:37:47
Brian Atlasyou can sleep with a lot of women but when you get herpes it's not it's not Alpha it's not high value to be bringing herpes to all your future relationships what you're going to have you're going
03:37:58
Brian Atlasto have the disclosure conversation you think like a a good girl I mean some girls are going to be okay with it I guess but like dating is hard enough as it is don't further handicap it yourself don't further make
03:38:10
Brian Atlasit difficult when it comes to dating by getting some incurable STD that you now need to disclose to Future partners and they're probably going to SC most I'd say most people men or women are going
03:38:21
Brian Atlasto screen you out if you have that so for sure it's not [ __ ] Alpha to bring your future wife herpes that's all them or your future long-term girlfriend MH herpes
03:38:36
Brian Atlasso oops okay they went to the bathroom to talk about how the podcast is going oh my God Brian sucks he's so
03:38:48
Brian Atlasmean okay I don't know where we were we talking about I think we talked about bodyc count enough yeah um let me see I've let me do a couple chats here Nick can you pull up twitch really
03:38:58
Brian Atlasquick H guys go to twitch.tv whatever drop us a a follow in the prime if you can Z thank you for the prime the Jewish bear thank you for the
03:39:10
Brian Atlasprime slump thank you for the tier one Canadian bear thank you for the prime achil Achilles thank you for the prime appreciate it guys twitch.tv/ whatever let me do a couple of the chats here uh okay we have soulcaliber okay the
03:39:22
Brian Atlaslibertarian here if we want to be the between the right and left of this situation Nick Nick Nick Nick man and woman both sides need to respect each other this isn't between clubs and
03:39:34
Brian Atlasmonogamy it's about respect a relationship is between two not what I think that's supposed to be porn both sides need this isn't about clubs and
03:39:45
Brian Atlasmonogamy it's about respect a relationship is between two not okay soulcaliber I like that video game thank you um me
03:39:54
Brian Atlastoo both sides need to respect each other okay agreed agreed we have final mode X the issue with watching porn is one of moral consistency if you find
03:40:06
Brian Atlaspromiscuous 30 Behavior disgusting and degenerate then you should find porn porn repulsive how is watching a bunch of three foes have meaningless sex arousing if one finds three foes
03:40:17
Brian Atlasunattractive I'm not sure I totally follow whoa Jesus Christ I'm not sure I totally follow the logic on that
03:40:27
Brian Atlasum like consuming a product doesn't mean that what right porn wait what consuming
03:40:38
Courtney Ferrisa product you but you said women are products are not products so when you consume porn you're consuming another naked woman's body as well as are you
03:40:48
Brian Atlasobjecting to my use of the word product yeah porn is literally porn the video if if I'm watching
03:40:59
Brian Atlasa if I'm watching a YouTube video I am consuming a product if I'm if I'm go to the movie theater and I watch a film and I pay for a movie ticket that is a
03:41:11
Courtney Ferrisproduct so you're not saying women in porn are products being you're just saying porn itself as a product what were the words that came out of my
03:41:22
Brian Atlasmouth did I say women are products I was talking about if you're consuming a
03:41:30
Brian Atlasproduct yes consuming the product AKA porn are you are you saying porn equals woman I mean if you're a man consuming
03:41:41
Brian Atlasif you're a straight man consuming porn are you saying porn is not a product or I'm just making sure you're not saying women are products but if you're thank you for derailing the conversation now I'm trying to remember
03:41:52
Brian Atlaswhat my point was um you disagre with the comment no I totally forget my
03:42:04
Brian Atlasum um oh okay what I was trying to say is that just because you consume a product does not necessarily mean that you
03:42:17
Brian Atlasautomatically cosign or want to engage in the product yourself so no to answer your question I was not using product to refer to women
03:42:28
Brian AtlasI was saying the product is porn so just because you consume a product porn does not necessarily mean that you aren't allowed to have an opinion broadly
03:42:41
Brian Atlasspeaking that porn could you can that porn could have a negative impact on
03:42:53
Brian Atlassociety okay the NFL I acknowledge that the professional athletes that pay NFL give
03:43:03
Brian Atlasthemselves brain damage they get CTE this is bad I also enjoy watching football the two can exist okay do you acknowledge do you watch football do you
03:43:15
Brian Atlaswatch any professional sports do you acknowledge that the athletes that do that while they're compensated very well they are getting permanent brain damage and they're getting injuries and they're hurting themselves there's risk in
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Brian Atlasplaying Absol there's risk in playing there are negatives of this being an organization that is widely consumed and it's an incentive not just at the professional level but in college and
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Brian Atlasthere's a football is a huge sport here in the United States young young children are getting concussions kids in high school are getting concussions they're never going to get an NFL deal
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Brian Atlasthey're never going to play in college they're doing permanent damage to their brains can we acknowledge that but also enjoy watching like the sport yeah okay
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Brian Atlasso I guess that's the point I'm trying to make even if you consume porn that doesn't preclude you from recognizing that porn does have some negative consequences to society in the same way
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Brian Atlasthat we recognize that there are some negative consequences to these these exceptionally talented people playing in the NFL playing sports getting
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Juliaconcussions okay the logic of your argument agree I I mean my counter would be that I think I don't think watching football
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Juliahas that many negative consequences for the viewer I I agree that the participants the talent it has it is a risk it just like with there's a risk for the for the talent
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Juliabut I think the viewer there's also there's actually there's more negative consequences for the viewer as well but the logic of your argument absolutely yeah I can't argue with it your Point's
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Courtney Ferrisvalid though the viewer is what we're talking about with porn at least true in relationships or Society that's true that's true
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Brian Atlasokay I just don't get the whole derailment with the like I was clearly speaking about porn and you were like you just wanted to jump at an opportunity to be like oh he must be a
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Brian AtlasMis he's like clearly saying something misogynistic me because I said women aren't products yeah but you were that's not what I said so you're trying to put
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Brian Atlaswords into my mouth to try to paint me in a negative way no we moved on from the subject because you explained yeah but why but if you were actually listening to
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Brian Atlaswhat I say you would not feel the need to just interrupt and derail by clar making a clarification that did not need
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Brian Atlasto be made it did for me so we having a conversation about porn and I said if you're consuming the product how did how did it not logically
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Courtney Ferrisfollow for you that I was talking about porn and not women I don't remember what the comment was but I it was something in response to the comment but you clarified it so you're good okay all
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Brian Atlasright whatever um I think it was the Super Chat I don't know exactly it was a super chat yeah I think we got it let me get this we have