33 Year Old VIRGIN?! 5 Threesomes At 18?! | Dating Talk #108

Date: 2023-10-11

Duration: 5h 40m

Guests

Brian Atlas

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PParisa (DT108)>

SSienna (DT108)>

LLauren Harkins >

CCourtney Ferris >

JJulia (DT108)>

SSteve (DT108)>

MMadison (DT115)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_02Courtney Ferris(guest)

SPEAKER_03Greta(guest)

SPEAKER_04Sienna(guest)

SPEAKER_05Kiki(audience)

SPEAKER_06Julia(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Steve(guest)

SPEAKER_11Noise/Laughter(audience)

SPEAKER_12Lauren(guest)

SPEAKER_13Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_14Parisa(guest)

Key Moments

Key Moment33-year-old virgin Lauren discusses her complete lack of in-person sexual attraction. Never been on a date, never had a crush in real life, never experienced attraction sufficient to pursue anyone. In 33 years, not one person has triggered pursuit. Only celebrity she finds attractive: Paul Walker.

“I've never I've never dated never really been interested in dating... not even a crush in high school”

QuoteLauren describes herself as "somewhere on the asexual spectrum" but avoids the label due to it being "taken over by the woke mob."

“I think I'm somewhere on that spectrum... I hesitate to use the word asexual... it's been kind of taken over by the woke mob”

Key MomentLauren says she would rather die a virgin than settle, even at 45. Brian challenges whether she is waiting for a unicorn that does not exist.

“I would rather die a virgin than be with the wrong person... it could be are you would you be let's say you're like 45”

QuoteLauren states she would rather die a virgin than be with the wrong person.

“I would rather die a virgin than be with the wrong person like 100% rather rather die a virgin 100%”

Key MomentGreta reveals she contracted chlamydia from a married couple she met via Tinder (her friend found them). The couple denied it afterward. Greta found out via regular STI testing.

“they were great the chyia not so great... they denied it even after I told them but it was fine they were”

Key MomentGreta reveals she had 5 threesomes by age 18. Brian is visibly surprised and confirms the count.

“five five threesoms MH and but was it each one was like with a different group of people yes”

Key MomentGreta describes the smoke shop mix-up: drunk at the beach, met a guy's brother (Billy) instead of the intended contact (Bobby), hooked up with Billy, then Billy left her stranded in a different city.

“I walked up to his brother which was not him... I proceeded to have some fun with his brother... he left me at the he left me in a different city on the side of the road”

Key MomentSienna describes her abusive ex-relationship (2018-2020): he gave her silent treatment when she declined sex, cheated by texting another girl, made her pay for everything, restricted her clothing, and made misogynistic comments about assault victims.

“he would like expect sex... he'd be like I'm a horny little like teenage boy what do you expect... he would call you names he wouldn't let you go outside and shorts or a tank top”

QuoteParisa states that the body count double standard is misogynistic — that sex should weigh equally regardless of gender.

“I think it's misogynistic to say that like there's a difference between the weight that a woman's body count holds and a man's body count”

QuoteSteve says he wishes he could go back and be a virgin, seeing his married brother's life as a model.

“I wish I could go back and be a virgin I really do... I see how my brother my brother just had a baby he's married he's having a lovely life”

QuoteBrian lists 15+ systematic disadvantages men face in the workplace (dangerous jobs, overtime, commute, etc.) in response to the wage gap discussion.

“there's the trades gap there's the dangerous jobs gap 97 something like 97% of workplace deaths are men... more likely to die on the job gap more likely to be electrocuted to death gap”

Key MomentGreta reveals her sugar daddy story: her sister's former sugar daddy found her via Venmo, first messaged when she was 15 (ignored), then at 17 (ghosted), resumed contact after 18; sent approximately $3,000 total.

“he found me cuz he was my sister's sugar daddy... he hit me up at 15 I didn't respond to him until I was no 17... he's still your sugar daddy how much... probably like three grand”

Key MomentSienna describes a sugar daddy who became creepy: referred to his genitals as "bulging," sent an unsolicited photo, she stopped contact. Received approximately $350 total.

“he would refer to his like dick as a bulge and he'd be like I'm bulging I'm bulging... he sent me a picture of his dick and it was 14 in long”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Brian opens show from Santa Barbara; mentions co-host Kiki (shy). Guests introduce: Greta (18, SBCC psychology/caregiver; mic issues initially), Parisa (18, SBCC English), Sienna (18, SBCC biology/nursing), Lauren (33, GBI agent trainee from Maine — virgin centerpiece), Courtney Ferris (27, Death to Digital agency co-founder), Julia (29, tech consultant), Steve (26, executive protection/entrepreneur, LA), Madison (18, Whatever Podcast staff/SBCC).

Relationship Status Round

Round of current relationship statuses: Greta (single 2yr, FWB sneaky link), Parisa (single 1 month), Sienna (new relationship 1 month), Lauren (never been in a relationship, never dated — extended discussion), Julia (relationship 2yr), Steve (single since May 2022), Madison (relationship 1+ year). Lauren's situation dominates the round — deep dive into her virginity, asexuality, dating abstinence, and standards.

Lauren's Virginity and Asexual Spectrum Identity

Extended segment on Lauren's 33-year virginity. Brian probes: never dated, no in-person attraction, possibly asexual but avoids label, would rather die a virgin than be with the wrong person, only attracted to Paul Walker type. Discussion of her connection-only requirement, divorced parents, college at U of Southern Maine. Steve and others react with disbelief. Lauren describes wanting only a long-term relationship (no marriage, no kids), not actively seeking, in her "let go and let God era."

Greta's Threesome History and Dating Stories

Brian reads Greta's pre-show notes. 5 threesomes at 18 — details of each. Married couple on Tinder gave her chlamydia. Smoke shop mix-up: accidentally hooked up with wrong brother (Bobby vs Billy), got abandoned in another city while drunk. Marine boyfriend tried to marry her after brief relationship. Ex-boyfriend with one testicle (testicular torsion/implosion). General dating philosophy: wants chivalry and flowers but also casual hookup freedom.

Chivalry, Traditional Dating, and Men Paying

Debate over whether men should pay for dates and practice chivalry. Greta: men should open doors and buy flowers. Brian: romantic gestures should be contingent on women moving traditionally/exclusively. Courtney: men create the environment; women shouldn't have to prove themselves first. Extended debate over whether current dating marketplace makes traditional gestures by men irrational.

Sienna's Abusive Relationship

Brian reads Sienna's pre-show notes. 2018-2020 relationship: emotionally and physically abusive boyfriend. He required sex to give her attention, sent her a screenshot of him texting another girl without breaking up first, made her pay for everything, restricted her clothing, made misogynistic rape victim-blaming comments (the final straw), attempted to use fireworks on her. Discussion of sex withholding dynamics in relationships.

Sex Expectations in Committed Relationships

Debate: should partners feel obligated to fulfill each other sexually? Brian argues dead bedrooms indicate incompatibility; men should be able to leave if sexually unfulfilled. Greta counters sex must be fully voluntary. Courtney cites Bible verse (do not withhold your body from your partner). Steve shares Miami situationship story: both gave silent treatment when declining sex.

Social Media and Going Out in Relationships

Discussion of whether women in relationships should post revealing photos online or go out partying frequently. Brian: women should keep some modesty in photos when in a committed relationship. Courtney: posting does not imply infidelity. Steve: women at clubs/bars create vulnerability situations. Debate over control vs. trust.

Cheating, Hookup Culture, and Modern Dating

Greta: stopped dating men because everyone cheats. Parisa: 99% of men will cheat. Brian: women cheat as much as men; both sexes in hookup culture. Discussion of what counts as cheating (porn, only fans, going to clubs). Debate over whether college relationships work. Courtney shares personal anecdote of respecting herself by staying after she clearly wasn't being respected.

Feminism Round and Wage Gap Debate

Each guest states whether they identify as feminist: Greta (yes, girls' girl), Parisa (yes, inequalities exist), Sienna (yes, raised that way), Lauren (not today's feminism), Courtney (no), Julia (yes for 1st wave suffrage only), Steve (no), Madison (no). Extended debate on wage gap: Parisa says it exists, Brian says it's been debunked. Discussion of women's occupational choices, hazardous work gaps, work-life balance differences. Brian lists 15+ "gaps" men face (dangerous jobs, overtime, commute, etc.).

Body Count Discussion

Key-in-lock theory debate. Brian argues high body count is undesirable in both sexes but especially in women due to attachment. Parisa: body count double standard is misogynistic. Courtney: past is past, it's about current character. Body count reveals at ~303min: Madison=8, Greta=16, Lauren=0 (virgin), Parisa declined, Sienna declined, Steve declined (Navy joke), Brian "more than one."

Abortion, Feminism, and Equality Debate (Late Show)

Continuation of feminism debate: Parisa argues for complete equality including men's issues. Discussion of abortion (California context). Brian: modern feminism is a corporate psyop to double the labor pool. Extended debate on whether gynocentric society exists. Brian lists men's systematic disadvantages.

Ratings Round

Self-rated looks (1-10): Julia=7 then revised to 10, Parisa=7, Sienna=7.5, Courtney=8 then 10 (noting boyfriend was watching), Steve=8.5, Madison=6. Brian declines to rate panel; says he cannot pick 7.

Sugar Daddy Stories

Greta: sister's former sugar daddy found her via Venmo; first contact at 15 (ignored), resumed at 17-18; received ~$3,000 total. Sienna: sugar daddy sent ~$350 via Snapchat; became creepy (called himself "bulging"), she stopped contact after he sent unsolicited photo.

Transcript

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Juliaoccur when we know that the way people are moving is pretty [ __ ] scandalous but that's a that's illogical because if

Juliayou say that women have to signal to men that they are a lady yes to trigger these gentlemanly behaviors

Juliabut then you're saying but the predisposition is that no one is a lady because I'm not going to no matter how you present yourself no matter what I'm going to assume you're not then that I mean that's a catch 22 so there has to

Brian Atlasbe some give I mean you have to I mean you have to say that at some point a woman can present herself or prove in such a way that I think the give ought to be on women to acknowledge that the

Brian Atlasdating Marketplace is absolutely [ __ ] [ __ ] up beyond all repair and that you should give men leeway to not to not pay on the first date because you recognize men don't want to feel like suckers and

Brian Atlasbe paying for a girl because we we've had a girl we had a girl two weeks ago come on show she said she set up 50 dates or she her plan was to set up 50 dates with 50 different different men uh

Juliain 50 days but she didn't expect though I watched her and she didn't expect those men to pay for it she was very happy to do 5050 I don't recall I don't recall exactly what she said but there is an expectation on men to pay for first

Brian Atlasand I'm sure she would prefer if the guy was the she was uh like I'd say moderate or conservative so she'd probably expect the guy to be provider pay for the first date

Brian Atlasso and just like I told her I'm like okay I'm date number 10 in the past 10 days and you want me to pay for the first date I'm going to feel like a sucker I don't want to feel like a sucker have you been a sucker before huh

Brian Atlashave you been one before I think I've I have I probably have I probably have I don't there's no way to know because cuz she's not going to tell you after the date by the way I'm at Chad's house and I'm [ __ ] [ __ ] him right now maybe

Stevenot that exactly but you go on a date you think everything's good and then ghosted or or you know you just feel like you were taking advantage of and that's oh I've had that like I've paid for a meal and then conversation's fine

Juliajust very pleasant very respectful and then yeah and your guard goes up after it right yeah absolutely so if you could create a brave Brian's Brave New World

Brian Atlasof dating would it be would it be that well I'm an authoritarian dictator in that situation so you don't want my but okay I'll play along I'll play along I'll play along uh men and women go

Juliadutch on the first date or you do a non Financial activity men the the Romantic traditional gestures can come into play

Juliabut they come into play like over time as you establish her loyalty and liness yeah that sounds amenable okay

Brian Atlasyeah that's that's fine um yeah it's just um yeah I don't want to really not going to be a traditional guy

Juliawith but you really don't believe that you can perceive a lady before get like by by the first date maybe not instantly well I mean there are some women where

Brian Atlasit's like very clear okay This Woman's probably it's hard to it's hard but This Woman's probably permiss and then I just wouldn't go on the first Daye to begin with but there are some very unassuming

Brian Atlaswomen who you would never think who will play you yeah and they could be shy they could be introverted they can be quiet they could be talking to Five Guys at the same time and and uh you wouldn't

Brian Atlasyou wouldn't know yeah what's that [ __ ] song gangsters move in silence like lasagna or some [ __ ] I don't know but I have

Brian Atlasbaby I don't know what I'm I Las last thing with you Greta so okay you uh and I don't know if you had response to

Gretaanything I said but uh you said that uh women are better eating [ __ ] is what better than sucking dick okay good time I mean that's a preference for me oh

Brian Atlasthat's fine I don't I don't object to that better okay I don't know okay more fun you got to go different places you know got it okay um

Brian Atlasme uh quick question for everyone here on the pan um and we'll start with Madison we'll go around um are your parents still together or are they

Courtney Ferrisseparated uh my mom is dead sorry to hear that uh they're together my parents are still together my parents are divorced but my mom's remarried a

Brian Atlasdivorced my dad passed away sorry to hear that still together but shouldn't be oh okay uh together divorced okay did you say uh how old were you when they

Brian Atlassplit up was four four okay got it uh let's see we have something here for uh

Brian AtlasSienna let's see your last relationship was in 2020 yep you haven't dated since until now you broke you broke up with him after two years because he was emotionally physically abusive he would

Brian Atlasget kicked out a lot um you'd have to sneak in you'd buy everything yeah you bought everything for him what did you buy him you buy him a PS5 or something would ask me to buy the PS5 he would ask

Sienname to buy like if we were going out to the movies I'd pay food if he wanted something he would

Brian Atlassend me the link for it so you were sing for him um no um no I wouldn't say that oh okay so you kind of would you

Brian Atlasbegrudgingly buy [ __ ] for him like would it cause would it cause arguments yeah he would get mad if I wouldn't oh he'd get mad if you wouldn't but like it's my

Brian Atlasmoney like yeah yeah um you'd buy almost everything he would call you names he wouldn't let you go outside and shorts or a tank top yeah okay he left me for someone else one

Siennatime and I got back with him so he cheated on you or yeah he did or he broke up with you and got with somebody else no he didn't even break up with me he like was texting her and sent me a screenshot of them texting and didn't say anything after that so I was just

Brian Atlaslike damn okay um you said that he wouldn't talk to you if you didn't have sex with him yeah how would that play out what so like if I

Gretawent to his house and I think he would like expect sex weren't you his girlfriend yeah but I doesn't mean I have to have sex all the time with him being girlfriend mean you have to have

Brian Atlassex with him all the time it's exped well I mean if you've here's the here's what's interesting right obviously if you don't want to have sex 100% it should be consensual that's not what I'm saying but if you've asked a guy to be

Brian Atlasin a committed sexual relationship with you and you've asked him to not sleep with other women and then you start withholding sex or stop having sex there is to some degree an expectation that if

Gretawe're in a committed relationship having sex is a component of a committed relationship no MM you can be in a committed relationship where you don't have sex with anybody else but

Gretathat does not mean every time I see you you have to have sex with me you okay and then if you don't have sex with me it's not withholding sex because I'm committed to you in a relationship it

Gretajust means you don't I'm not in the mood to have sex right now you're withholding sex from me that's not no well there there's there's degrees to this what I would say though is if

Brian Atlasyou're it you don't match up in terms of if he wants to have a lot of sex and you don't then one I would say he's perfectly within his right to leave you

Brian Atlasbut it is kind of like if you're asking a guy to be committed to you and he has a certain sex drive and you're not prepared to fulfill him sexually then that's your call but then

Brian Atlashe shouldn't be in a relationship with you if he knows you're not going to you don't want to have sex five times a day but why do you all push why do you all push so much for commitment but you're not prepared to sexually satisfy your

Brian Atlaspartner and I think that should go both ways it shouldn't always be sex though like it could be like in other ways you can be in a relationship without having to have sex every time they want to have sex right but I mean there is to some

Brian Atlasdegree like wouldn't you want to sexually fulfill your partner yeah but um when you're in the mood for it yeah yeah when you want to

Gretahave sex then yeah I can sexually fulfill my partner but if he wants to have sex 10 times a day and I had sex one time a day and I'm done it's not like I'm sexually withholding anything well then you shouldn't you just

Gretashouldn't be together but well then that's his decision if he's the one that wants to have sex more than that many times a day it's not my fault for sexually withholding something from

Brian Atlassomebody it's them having an issue with me not W to there ought to be some acknowledge acknowledgement of men's higher sex drive men generally speaking that's an

Brian Atlasissue with the men not the women that's not an issue with us that's an if you're okay but part of part of securing commitment from a man is if you're going to be in a relationship with each other

Brian Atlasyou need to meet each other's needs like see this is one of the differences I think between men and women like if let's say I'm the sole bread winner in a family and I'm

Brian Atlasproviding for my wife we have children I can't just say babe I don't really feel like going to work today babe oh somebody somebody break

Brian Atlassomebody breaks into the house I don't really feel like defending you right now can you like it's not about what I feel like I can

Gretadon't but work and breaking into a house has nothing to do with sex sex is something voluntary on both sides where two people want to have sex together and

Gretathey want to have a good time I've had sex with people who have wanted to have sex and I didn't want to but I still did it and it is [ __ ] insufferable so right you should do that exactly but

Gretayou're saying that we're withholding sex from our partner if we don't that's what you just sad doesn't that put a lot of

Brian Atlaslike emotional um distress on the girlfriend how so because you're like you have to I'm not okay here's look if

Brian Atlasyou've got a if you otherwise have a good sex life and there's a couple time couple days that you don't want to have sex that's totally fine like if you're not feeling well you're feeling a little sick you've got a headache that's fine I

Brian Atlasguess what I'm trying to say is if it gets to the point where you're constantly starting to say no to your boyfriend and he wants to have sex again sex should be a 100%

Brian Atlasconsensual but what I'm saying is like if you if you are not fulfilling your partner sexually they are within their right to break up with you yeah and

Brian Atlasthey're within their right to feel upset that you're not meeting their sexual expectation in a monogamous committed relationship where you've demanded that

TTS Readerhe only purs he only gets sex from you because if you it's like you hold on Devon Jackson donated $100 to the ladies how long would your

TTS Readerrelationship last if every time you asked him for sex he said no but every time he asked for sex it

Brian Atlashappened wait to the ladies how long would your relationship ship last every if every time you asked him for sex he said no but every time he asked for sex it happen happened um it would not be a

Laurenrelationship um not very long I don't really get it but not long we're going around the table on this go ahead um not entirely sure I understand the question yeah how long

Brian Atlaswould your relationship last if every time you asked him for sex he said no but every time he asked for sex it happened so only when he was in the

Brian Atlasis it Poss like that's fine I mean that's kind of is it okay like I think it's okay to try to have sex if you're not in the mood like sometimes I'll have sex if I'm not in the mood I don't know like you can get into the mood if you

Courtney Ferrisexpect your partner to fulfill your sexual needs and desires you your partner probably also expects you to turn her on so like just because you're turned on doesn't mean she is so it's like do something that would turn her on like create the environment that makes

Courtney Ferrisit work and don't just expect expect your partner to fill 100% of your needs without your effort true that's not really what we're arguing about but okay what about you thank you um I would

Juliatechnically be in a marriage so that would be difficult what would be difficult it would if he if every time I wanted to have sex he didn't want to that would that would be tough for me so

Brian Atlaswe'd have to like go and figure that out are saving yourself from Marriage oh okay allegedly Dam look I look again everything should be consensual but what I'm saying is is

Brian Atlasthat if you're in a relationship with somebody and they're constantly denying you sex like turning you down for sex that's a pretty valid reason to end the relationship was that the situation

Siennathough what like constant were you constantly denying him like were you constantly saying no to him no it was just constant all the time so I like would get like I don't want to do and he would get mad yeah and he would so that

Siennasounds more like not healthy for him to get mad at her if they were you were having sex on a regular basis I would go over to his house just to hang out and then he would like try something with me try to go in the room and I'd be like no and then he

Siennawould just go on the video game and not talk to me the rest of the time so he would try so you said no like because you just weren't well I don't always want to have sex when like he always wanted to have sex and I don't always

Siennawant to okay 16-year-old boy that doesn't yeah that sounds very immature and he would use that like he'd be like I'm a horny little like teenage boy what do you expect how often would you guys

Brian Atlashang out um like five times a week okay I mean that's pretty regular yeah yeah I mean it's hard to say but

Steveum I mean yeah Steve what about yeah it wouldn't last long but I was I'm comparing contrasting I'm thinking of my recent situationship um when I was in

SteveMiami for a bit and I was basically living with her um I had a play I had a hotel that I was staying at but we were just with each other going to the gym 24/7 um and a couple times she went to

Stevehave sex with me and I I just I wasn't in the mood and she would do the exact same thing she would like go into her room I'd be on the couch and she'd do the uh silent treatment with me well that's not good yeah I'm like okay I

Stevejust got done with the gym we were there for two hours I not even that like an hour 15 I'd normally go for a lot longer and if I don't get my workout in all the way like me I'm not in a good good place

Courtney Ferrisso it's just it's funny hearing your perspective and then think I had the same exact thing it's like okay to say no you know and nobody should be ashamed of saying no I mean there's obviously sexual incompatibility which like if it

Juliadoesn't work it doesn't work but there's also self-pleasure like you can make it work if it's not all the time you know but I think it also highlights the fact that people need a healthy way to handle rejection because in that both cases

Juliathey both equally felt rejected which is means they felt hurt which is totally fine fine and valid but you need to process and deal with your hurt and rejection rather than blaming and thus

Juliain some ways attacking the partner which is with the silent treatment or I guess in both cases it was the silent treatment well look again should be 100% consensual I guess what I'm saying is

Brian Atlasand it wasn't clear to me like how frequently it was but like me personally if a girl was constantly saying no I would just probably be like we're sexually incompatible we don't have the

Brian Atlassame sex drive maybe we can try to make it work but I I think because the biggest thing I would want to avoid in a relationship and I would recommend men avoiding a relationship is a dead

Brian Atlasbedroom that spells like that's a huge red flag for a relationship if you have a dead bedroom so basically just never you eventually stop having sex with your

Brian Atlaspartner um and it typically this is typically uh falls on the man wants sex the woman doesn't so it's something that

Juliamen have to be careful of in a relationship because that's not good so and the Bible says not to do that IT addresses both parties but it says like you have to think about the other person

Juliaand like be willing to share your body with them what what does it say um the verse itself is like do not withhold uh something like do not

Juliawithhold your body from your partner your your body is your partners and their body is your body belongs to them and their body belongs to you something I'm paraphrasing but something okay does

Stevethat mean specifically sex because from my understanding in the Bible sex was only created for procreation now we're obviously not

Brian Atlastalking about procreation it it would be like Recreation would be lust can I look up the corre the it does we don't need to look it up it's okay um but uh yeah

Brian Atlasokay whatever um let's see we had uh he tried to blow you up with fireworks apparently okay maybe I can see why you weren he's trying to break up with blow you up with fireworks yeah but yeah no

Brian Atlaslook I I mean just the final thing look if you're there's a mismatch when it comes to sex just break up like whatever it's fine find somebody else um we should have yeah um

Brian Atlasso you can't okay I ended up breaking up with him because he started saying misogynistic things it was just the last straw for me what was he saying he was saying oh I don't know if I can talk

Siennaabout it what um it's one of the band uh things misogynistic things well it's about like what a girl's wearing and

Siennawhose fault it would be oh I I see what you're saying he started making like I see what you're saying waight comments about me as well oh that's not very nice yeah turn off why

Madisonwould you want deal with that yeah he's out of here yeah and he try to blow you up with yeah there there's some things I can't say

Brian Atlasthat he yeah that's just the gist that's a yikes that yikes okay well I guess it makes a little more sense now um I was just assuming everything else okay well whatever um uh okay another funny story

Brian Atlasis when one time I went to Rolling loud I met one take J what happened there they invited me oh okay and that that's not too interesting I don't think that story so

Brian Atlaswhatever um do relationships work in college in this stay age what counts as cheating what were your thoughts on that well I just wanted to get everyone else's opinion to like see who thinks

Siennalike what about like relationships in college because I've like heard people say that it's never going to work out it's always going to be cheating cuz people are going out and all that so

Madisonyeah I feel like relationships work if you're both mature enough to realize that you're both in a committed relationship and are willing to put the efforts into keeping your guys's like

Madisonvalues together like um making sure you guys see each other enough having trust within each other knowing you guys like I said basically want to be in a

Madisonrelationship with each other cuz if not then don't be in a relationship but I feel like they do work out if you're willing to sacrifice going out to parties and

Brian Atlasconstantly going out to the clubs to I think that you can still be in a relationship and go out there disavow no if your girlfriend is going out partying going to clubs that's that's a insta

Brian Atlasbreakup really yep what if you're going with you trust them I don't go I don't go to bars or Club so huh what if you trust them they just want to like dance with their friends that's an insta breakup why does it make an insta break

Gretain break up but why yeah why okay all right gu it's because men are going to be approaching you all night you're basically but you can trust your girlfriend to say no and be like I don't

Brian AtlasI don't want that I have a boyfriend why is an inst breakup if they want to go out and have a good time with their friends because it's very different there's there's a different there's a difference experience when men and women

Brian Atlasgo to these types of environments typically where people are drinking nightclubs bars parties right it's a very different experience that both do and it's kind of similar to uh Instagram

Brian Atlasalso Instagram's kind of related to this so as a girl if you go to a bar club or party men are going to approach you men are going to talk to you whereas if you're a guy you

TTS Readerget4 donated being a virgin is wonderful I was one before marriage as well and I'm happily married to the panel I grew up where people thought being a virgin is

TTS Readerwrong and constantly degraded me for it would any of you have shamed a person for choosing that lifestyle no no no jealous no no Liliana

Brian Atlaswould any of you have shamed a person for choosing that lifestyle no definitely not good for you um so how do I Artic where where were we

Brian Atlaswhat was your question going going out like relationship this well okay so one I just I don't go to bars clubs or parties I don't drink I don't do drugs

Brian Atlasso it's just for for starters it for me it's a lack of symmetry it's a lack of compatibility on that front but I mean it's is still a major red

Brian Atlasflag like for a girl who goes out and parties like how often do you how often do you guys go out for example probably like 5 4 days a week four nights a week what about you five same as her we go out together oh you guys are friends

Brian Atlasright or housemates roommates yeah roommates so three like what Thursday Friday Saturday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday and you're like you're drinking every night and then stuff yeah yeah what what about you how often do

Gretayou go out like go out like once a week once a week but I mean I do [ __ ] at my house like with my friends at my house but I don't like going to I vist or none

Brian Atlasof that well my my view is is that going out to parties going out to nightclubs going out to bars that's single people activity so if you respect your partner

Siennayou don't engage in activities that are designed for single people but you can like you can still be together and go there and all the guys that come up to you like there there's going to be guys that come up to you there cuz like

Siennathat's what guys do there right which is disrespectful to your partner because you know that they're not touching you or anything they're you can just be like okay bye like I have a boyfriend okay and but you let me ask you a question let me ask you a question you guys said

Brian Atlasyou all know cheaters right you guys are cheaters oh women are cheaters too maybe um sure okay question do you think when it comes to cheating do you think

Brian Atlasalcohols typically can can be a a uh [ __ ] what's the term uh what inhibitor a

Siennaconduit no like a uh sorry I'm a factor or something contributor contributing factor to I mean I mean yeah but like it shouldn't be like an

Gretaexcuse you're and if you drink you're going to be a cheater like you said most guys go up to women like at bars and clubs and [ __ ] A lot of those guys could

Gretaalso have a girlfriend and they're out going up to girls so it's the same with girls and guys everybody can be a cheater and can go out and talk to girls and talk to guys if they want to it's

Brian Atlasjust if you have that trust with your partner that you're going to go to a club and you're going to have fun with your friends that it's going to be okay is that why people only go to clubs is to have fun with their friends like you

Brian Atlasdon't do it to get a m attention if you're in a relationship then you're going to have fun with and you're going out with your single female friends who probably dislike your boyfriend for whatever reason that's not the case if you have right friends they not going to

Gretabe like oh go cheat on your boyfriend sing single female friends are pretty much the like the worst thing that in for a relationship then it's probably the wrong friends for the person CU I've had a bunch of single female friends

Brian Atlaswhen I had a relationship andl supportive they didn't like my boyfriend bad influence they weren't sitting there oh go cheat on your boyfriend the right if you respect your partner again you just don't engage in activities design

Brian Atlasdesigned for single people and you can try to dance around it all you want but bars clubs and House parties are very specific social Gatherings social Gatherings social gather soci Gatherings

Brian Atlasthere social Gatherings for typically meeting people that's how a lot of people meet if I go to Trader Joe's on if you go to a bar nightclub or party have you ever have you ever gone home with a guy

Brian Atlashave you guys ever gone home with a guy after a party it's okay I've gone I've met a girl at a B at a party we went we hooked up right you've gone to a party hooked up with a guy no not really girl yeah

Brian Atlasyou've met have you met a guy at a bar and I club or party and then gone home with them yeah into the mic please go ahead uh yeah with a girl not a guy with a girl okay what about you yes right I don't go to Trader Joe's and end up

Gretameeting somebody and [ __ ] them like after we go get our cucumbers that go to Trader Joe's and they meet the person that they like and they go home and [ __ ] them it's not just

Gretaa what happens more there areu me matters what happens in general it's not more so more so which happens that's like a

Madisonlike a thing women talk about we went home with the people when we were single but not when we were taken but also that kind of Lifestyle where you are going out four to 5 days a week is not going to make your college relationship succeed in the end you're going you're

Brian Atlasgoing to go out four to five nights a week when you have a boyfriend when you could be spending that time with him well he goes out too that's together

Brian Atlasthat sounds together go out together with each other look if you as a girl want to go out and party and club and drink and do drugs while you're in a

Brian Atlasrelationship that's your call my recommendation to men is is that if your girl's doing that she's not wifey material you either just keep her around you never commit to her or you just break up with her is it the same for

Gretagirls whose boyfriends go out to Club if that's a woman's standard if that's a woman's standard AB for you said your advice to men if their

Gretagirlfriend goes out to parties and clubs they're wifey material is it the same if a girl is at home and her boyfriend's going out to clubs and parties they're not husband material is that the same is

Brian Atlasthat happening if a woman if a woman wants I I mean I would say it's probably more likely well it it doesn't matter what's more likely but if that's a woman's standard like if she doesn't want her boyfriend going out to bars and

Brian Atlasnightclubs and parties and that's a deal breaker for her then absolutely like break up with that person or don't take them seriously but what if they don't care that's that's your call the thing I would the thing I would point out though

Brian Atlasis that is there's a difference and this was what I was trying to get to before that super chat came in men and women's experience when they go out to bars clubs and parties is uniquely very different so as a guy if you go to a bar

Brian Atlasclub or party and you just stand there in the stand there in the crowd nobody like there's not going to be a swarm of girls hitting on you throughout the night whereas as a girl if you go to these venues you're going

Brian Atlasto get approached you're go get hit on say no yeah that's fine but the men and women flirt differently like women women's game is not I'm going to go approach 10 guys

Brian Atlastonight that's not what you do you put yourself in scenarios where you can get approached that's how women flirt it's not okay I'm just going to hyperfocus in

Brian Atlasand approach 20 guys you sit back and you let men come to you so by putting yourselves in these venues where you know that's going to happen that's dis dis respectful to your partner just say

Courtney Ferrisno I mean that can happen anywhere though like yes but but these are very specific it's not made for relationships or hook up culture it's made to like drink and have a good time with your friends so like what happens is bars

Brian Atlasnightclub bars nightclubs and parties it's both are very specific social venues where people are meeting it's not like I it's not like I would tell my girlfriend you can't go to Trader Joe's

Brian Atlasand I would be upset if a guy hit on her that I don't care but if you're putting yourself in environments where it's going like it's most likely going to happen that's I think for me at least and I think it should be the case for a

Courtney Ferrislot of men that's should be a pretty big red flag what about like the times when like the girl's friend has like a birthday or a upgrade in a job or something can so

Brian Atlascan she not go out anymore well it it depends okay so if she's if it's an occasional thing I don't have a major issue with that but if she's doing it consistently

Brian Atlasthat's a that's pretty like if she's got a birthday every couple months me personally I probably wouldn't care uh if she gets [ __ ] tanked I'm going to cuz I don't want a partner that's

Brian Atlasgetting [ __ ] shitfaced like that I would want somebody who has some discipline when it comes to their drinking but I mean here's the difference right so women run passive game women don't

Brian Atlasapproach men they put themselves in positions where they could be approached by men they won't DM a man they'll post pictures of him or excuse me they'll post I'm reading from my notes here from

Brian Atlasthis is this is a thread on Twitter from ldg uh they'll post pictures to lure him into dming them so men are salesmen women are marketers

Brian Atlasso in a committed in a committed relationship a man should stop pitching and women should stop advertising because that's how women you don't you don't pitch really are you saying we

Brian Atlasshouldn't po post ourself huh are you saying we shouldn't like post whose phone is that can somebody finally silence that please um yeah I think I think if you're in a relationship you shouldn't be posting

Brian Atlasthirst traps and provocative photos on Instagram either you shouldn't go be going to the club you shouldn't go partying you shouldn't go to bars Etc well do you have no trust in them or is it no trust in like no but I what I'm

Brian Atlastrying to say is there's a difference right again men are salesmen women are marketers okay so you don't approach men you put yourselves in positions where they where you could be approached by men you're not going to DM a guy you'll

Brian Atlasjust post a picture post a story and then men will DM you not all women it's a lack of respect thing women could DM the guy well here's the

Brian Atlasdifference right so we each utilize different strategies to get similar outcomes so men we do the approaching women you put yourselves in positions where you can be approached whether that's online or whether that's in

Brian Atlasperson so so okay most men they're fooled into believing that just because their woman isn't also can you please silence that their woman isn't also initiating conversations with other men then

Brian Atlaseverything is good but she was never initiating conversations to begin with that's not how most women operate we each utilize different strategies to get similar outcomes so men will approach women will put themselves in positions

Brian Atlasto be approached so we as men if we're in a committed relationship we should stop talking to women to get up our Edge but women never stop putting themselves out there that's why most women already

Brian Atlashave a replacement for you after the breakup instantly she never stopped marketing herself she's been generating leads the entire relationship what ifes she just think she looks good so she's going to post it that's cool but I mean

Brian Atlasit doesn't it's so funny because you said you said you said that you wished we went back to the old times when there wasn't phones in social media you want to keep your Edge you want to be able to

Brian Atlaskeep your Edge when it comes to dating Dynamics you want to tell men stop approaching women but I'm going to keep putting myself out there to to be constantly generating leads well what if that's not your intention it does your

Courtney Ferrisintention or not is kind of irrelevant well just ignore all the people that try and get at you your intention is super relevant I feel like I mean it's okay to learn from your mistakes and like if your boyfriend doesn't like it and

Courtney Ferrisyou've posted a provocative photo then hear him out respect don't post that and but women do reach out to men like that's a lot no that's exceedingly rare it's no maybe for some men okay we'll go

Gretaaround the table how many DMS have you sent to men into the mic please I don't have a number like I don't know a couple how

Gretamany like 10 maybe how many DMS have you received from guys hundreds not hundreds probably like 50 I don't know okay so 1 to five what

Parisaabout you I haven't ever sent it to a man but like I have sent it to a woman so like it's different but I've gotten a bunch so how many DMS have you gotten I don't know

Brian Atlashow many like it doesn't you don't have to give me like set range just like more than 100 DMS on Instagram no my account's private how many on Instagram

Brian Atlasuh I don't know I I keep it pretty private okay what about you probably like 5 to 10 5 to 10 you've messaged the guy

Brian Atlasyeah how many DMS have you gotten on Instagram from like just guys over 100 probably okay I've never dm'd a guy like that have you ever gotten a DM on Instagram yeah how many

Courtney Ferrisover 100 uh I don't think so okay what about you I personally have not dm'd a guy but my boyfriend gets a lot of DMS from women so it's like just cuz I don't do it doesn't mean other women don't yep

Brian Atlasand he doesn't really necessarily okay but so you've never dm'd a guy how many DMS have you gotten from men tons oh how many I don't know thousands hundreds

Brian Atlasokay so zero to hundreds what about you I have not dm'd a guy and I've probably gotten 100 the the real okay uh or Steve

Stevewe'll have you come how many uh DMS have you sent out I've sent some DMS um do you get dm'd by girls rarely rarely it does happen but it's it's going to be a fire picture it's going the algorithm is

Stevegoing to love it right um and honestly it's mostly because I've already interacted with that person not just a one off person that I don't even know DM sure Madison what about you it's rare

MadisonI've gotten hundreds of DMS and I've probably sent you're hiding behind the mic two in my life okay so you were saying what again that men do get DMS from

Courtney Ferriswomen it happens and it happens but it's just not to the extent that women are getting M from men yeah but you can't expect your man not to like or your man can't just expect you to never post a beautiful photo of yourself because men

Brian Atlaswill like it like that's a man's problem well there's it depends the type of photo if it's like a thirst trap frankly would be better if a girl's Instagram was on private but

Brian Atlasum this whole comparison between men and women women get way more attention online than do men like you take an average guy he's never getting a DM in

Brian Atlashis life and take an average woman she's getting hundreds of DMS if she has like a th 2,000 3,000 followers on Instagram most relationships don't come from DMS

Brian Atlasthough like some do right but but we're talking about getting sexual attention that's going to happen when a woman walks out of her house okay so but what's the point you're trying to make here that the man can't like I agree with you your woman

Courtney Ferrisshouldn't be posting like provocative photos if that makes him uncomfortable if it doesn't whatever but respect your man but don't control your woman well

Courtney Ferriswhat you call controlling I call having a boundary that's okay it's not about controlling go ahead I mean if you might think it's about I do think that's slightly control well it depends like

Brian Atlasyour boundar is cool like I don't think it's like it would never I mean I would hope that a girl just gets this like she just I don't want to have to like try to

Brian Atlasexplain this to a woman but it's some people have bad habits I guess you could say but it would never be a controlling thing I would just break up with the girl or I would just never take her seriously so if you want a guy to take

Courtney Ferrisyou if you want a guy to take you seriously act in a way that a guy will take you seriously could she not po like if you and your girl were at a pool party could she not post a picture with you there cuz it's I would go to I mean

Brian AtlasI'm you're asking the wrong guy about this I wouldn't go to a or like you're on the beach with her it's there's differences though because there's like you're you're with three of your girlfriends and you're in a bikini and you're just doing like a normal pose and then there's the pose where you're

Brian Atlaslooking over your shoulder you're sticking your ass out or you're like in doggy position basically and these chicks are like you're looking down [ __ ] Main

Brian AtlasStreet yeah that's a little provocative I agree and I feel that's post photos like that and hey look whatever do you but I'm not going to take you seriously in the long-term relationship that's fair it's a fair boundry it's not controlling Steve do

Steveyou were you gonna have something no it's pretty much just what you said like if I'm if I'm with my girl at a pool party the picture that she's posting it's not going to be something flying off how sexy she is I know she's sexy

Stevethat's all that you know that's all that matters okay we're we're going to keep it a little bit modest at least for the picture posting yeah so like would you take a picture with her and like post it yeah maybe maybe standing straight up

Steveand and looking what if she's kissing you and her butt showing is that too much but she's kissing you but why why do she need to show her ass off cuz she's kissing you like you know what I mean oh my god look I I want her ass to

Steveonly be seen by me if we're in a committed relationship so no one at that beach or pool party can see her ass either it's different when you're flaunting it on Instagram hunting for likes attention follows I agree but yeah

SteveI'm not I'm not going to control and say you are going to wear a 1960s swimsuit one piece I'm not going to do that I mean it is the 21st century but it's not for me it's not about

Brian Atlascontrol it's about having boundaries and standards I'm never going to say you can't do this all I can control is what I do so you want to go do it okay we're no

Brian Atlaslonger in a relationship I'm not going to take you seriously in a relationship if you are engaging in these activities that I view to be for single that's single girl Behavior

Brian Atlaslook when a woman says that you're controlling toxic insecure for not wanting your girl to go party four or five nights a week and get drunk and put herself in these sorts of situations

Brian Atlasthat's basically essentially just shaming language you're trying to shame men out of using our masculine instincts to keep her out of positions that put the relationship at risk there's

Brian Atlasabsolutely no reason that a man should allow his girlfriend to put the relationship at risk and I do think it's the case that if you're going out and partying at and getting drunk and being around these kinds of people in these

Courtney Ferriskinds of environments you are putting your relationship at risk so I can see why you would think that I think that in a way like you obviously have to have that communication with your partner and and

Courtney Ferrisjust like a job you have to have qualifications to be in relationship because it turns into marriage and it grows into a family or whatever that becomes so to respect your partner's boundaries is not to be controlling but to have that communication with your partner and see where they lie and where

Brian Atlasyou lie like before you even get into it like I won't be with you now two years later that's where it becomes a little controlling uh question for the whole panel here uh would you be okay with your long-term monogamous monogamous

Brian Atlasboyfriend going to the strip club yes you'd be fine with that yeah no why not well he's like seeing all the

Brian Atlasnaked [ __ ] don't you don't you trust him yeah but I feel like the strip club is different than going out to the club like there's there those there's a less

Brian Atlaslikely chance of those strippers having any any interest in [ __ ] your boyfriend than the men at the nightclubs that you're going to wanting to [ __ ]

Brian Atlasyou all the guys in the club at the party want to pursue you sexually romantically the strippers that the strippers that the men that go to nightclubs none of the strippers want to

Sienna[ __ ] them they think they're a joke they think they're clowns they have no respect for the guys that go the strip clubs MH but why he's just going out to have fun

Siennawith his boys well cuz he's would he pay money like for them like spend money on him yeah there's probably an entry fee maybe he has to buy a drink or is he

Brian Atlaslike but don't you trust him but that's like different I don't think how's it different because he's not trying to [ __ ] the girls he's just going out for fun with the boys to the strip club well

Siennawhen I go out to clubs I'm not like getting like aroused by other guys like dancing on the

Laurenstage okay yeah but don't you trust your partner I guess what about you that's a good question I I think if it was a regular thing I would definitely have a

Laurenproblem with that I think if it's just a like a want like a bachelor party or something like that probably wouldn't have a problem with it but um obviously no not a regular get no not no look

Brian Atlashere's the thing right it's it's a specific environment that I have an issue with it's not necessarily the it's certainly not the going out in public there are both men and women who

Brian Atlasgo out with the intention of getting laid nobody goes to Trader Joe's with the intention of getting laid there might be some dorks out there like I'm going to go pick up some chicks but like most women most men are not going to

Brian Atlasthese environments with the intention of going like getting laid so I mean have you never gone out to a party bar or club hoping to maybe meet a cute guy

Gretayeah you've never hoped to like meet oh single yeah when I'm single sing Single yeah when I'm intention sometimes not every time but if I am in a relationship

GretaI'm not going out to a bar or club and being like I hope I can find some guy that's going to think I'm hot yeah I'm going out to have a good time with my friends dance but I have a question so

Juliathis is about Fidelity right like the woman's Fidelity to the man and her honoring and having a and like honoring his b boundary so my question for you Brian

Juliais if a man is watching porn is that the same I mean can should a woman not expect that he is not watching that a girlfriend should she

Brian Atlasexpect that he's not watching that because I think the spirit of infidelity is also is there I would argue it's pretty different but if if as a woman you want to date a guy that doesn't watch porn that ought to be a

Brian Atlasconversation that you have with with someone hopefully early on in a relationship um if that's an expectation for a partner I think that's totally okay and I would encourage men just I would actually think it's probably

Brian Atlasbetter for the sake of your relationship to not be consuming porn now I also think this sort of almost brings it back to a previous con conversation we were having if you don't want your partner

Brian Atlaswatching porn you should sexually fulfill your partner so they don't feel the need to watch porn m okay but I think there's lots of guys because men who are sexually fulfilled by their

JuliaPartners iagree compelled to watch porn I disagree with that I think that you can 100% fulfill your partner to the point that they don't like you desirous

Brian Atlasthan they are and they'll still want to watch porn every day or like every other like you know as a woman I think it's 100% respect respectable if you have a

Brian Atlaspreference for dating Men Who don't watch porn or rarely watch porn whatever it may be that's 100% would you go so far as to say a self-respecting

Brian Atlaswoman should expect that her boyfriend does not watch that I I don't think it would be you would be lacking as a woman if you if if you as a woman didn't care

Brian Atlasabout your boyfriend watching porn I don't think that makes you I don't think there's anything wrong with you as a woman if you don't care if your boyfriend watches porn but but I don't object to a woman having a

Juliapreference for to date a man who doesn't watch porn Okay that's totally fine I just wonder it's probably better for your relationship to find the guy who doesn't watch por I agree cuz I just I think that like you're pretty like

Juliathat's your boundary but you also are promoting it to men that you think think that they should be concerned if their girls are going out to bars and all that having girls nights I think that's way worse for the relationship than men

Brian Atlaswatching porn how so because that the guy watching porn is not going to [ __ ] any of those girls sure so there's degrees to infidelity if

Brian Atlasyou consider watching porn cheating then that's not as severe as of cheating as going to bars clubs and parties and

Juliapotentially so if we did a risk analysis right sure is there a greater risk that she could be taken and some guy talks to her and Woos her or you know the girl gets too drunk and she ends up going

Juliahome home and there's a big Scandal yes but I think that like if you look at the statistics and you look at all what behavioral scientists are saying and all

Juliaof these experts about watching porn there's much more evidence for that as being a detrimental behavior in the long in the long run than going out and

Juliahaving you know going to a bar so is there literally looking at naked women versus you going and having to drink with your so it's lower risk but it's it's much more I think it's more easily Justified and so then there's it becomes

Brian Atlasa and it grows and it accumulates and so I think that's actually more toxic than this think it's more toxic for men to watch borne than women to regularly go

Juliaout to bars and clubs and parties and drink at the very least while relationship think equ I think it is equal how is it they're I'm not saying

Brian Atlasthat I've already conceed not even conceded I don't think it's good for men to be watching porn while a relationship uh for the sake of the woman and for the sake of themselves but so what but okay

Brian Atlasit's way [ __ ] worse when it comes to the disrespect for a girl that you're in a relationship with to be going to the club multiple times a week okay that's

Brian Atlasway more disrespectful to your partner in in various ways because men care a lot about respect right so while the your boyfriend watching porn that's something internal with in your

Brian Atlasrelationship but you going out to nightclubs that might that's also not only disrespectful internally in your relationship that's something that other people your Social Circle we will become

Brian Atlasaware of and that can be disrespectful on top of it if I'm dating a girl and my close male friend or some guy I'm trying to close a business deal with sees my girlfriend at the club acting like a

Brian Atlas[ __ ] arser yeah then like that that looks bad on me so that's it's both internal and externally impacting the relationship

Juliaokay but so let's let's deal with the internal first so these women at the panel they all just said I can go out to a bar and correct me if I'm wrong I can go out to a bar and say no to guys and

Juliasay no I have a boyfriend and respect my boyfriend am I right M okay so they all say that right so that's so we have to assume that their mentality is is good

Brian Atlasis positive and then you're saying a man who's watching porn it's Harmon I'm just failing like he could say I'm not I agree with you porn is bad but

Brian Atlasyou're just trying to there we can we can talk about all kinds of things comparatively speaking we can have a conversation about porn but right now we're talking about going out to bars and clubs I know but this is

Juliaa separate conversation okay but here's my point what's your point so if you think that even though they say their intention is is pure and is fine but you're saying well I think think that

Juliaindicates maybe you're not ready to be in in a legitimate like long-term relationship because it shows that that you want something that is conflicting with your long-term goal I think you the

Juliasame thing could be said about a man who's watching porn in the long term it it conflict it conflicts with a long-term goal of being in a healthy stable relationship the the

Juliaonly I'm okay so what is your point so I'm just saying that porn is bad I agree what's your point no my point is that if you're going to have if you're going to be so harsh

Juliaabout the detriment of the single woman's Behavior or not even or sorry the the the woman's behavior when she goes out and into a social setting then

JuliaI think the same expectations should be held the men should be held women can watch porn too by the way and I would also equal so men or women when it comes to watching the difference is when going

Brian Atlasto a nightclub in a bar it would C clearly be cheating if the guy approached a woman right but there's some debate over whether it's just cheating to put yourself as a woman in

Brian Atlasan environment where you know for [ __ ] sure men are going to hit on you you're going to get male attention I just I think that that's

Juliacheating off Ri so if you like it's disrespectful to your partner but but don't you think it's disrespectful to your partner to watch borne

Brian Atlasnot necessarily why not because that that more so just comes down to that come one it's not going to okay you can go to a nightclub and sure

Brian Atlasyou're you're 100% faithful to your boyfriend you'll never cheat on him cool however that very the fact that you're going to that environment people cheat in those environments people get drunk

Brian Atlaseven if it's not your intention have you ever had a girlfriend or a guy say they made a mistake oops it was a mistake [ __ ] I was really drunk my bad have you heard of that if you're watching porn

Brian Atlasagain I'm not saying that porn is wonderful within the and again there's probably degrees to it if they're porn addicted that's really bad if they watch porn occasionally when you're out of

Brian Atlastown I don't think that that's the [ __ ] crime of the century okay um but a man watching porn even if he's porn addicted is never going to cheat on you

Brian Atlasbecause of that he's never going to go [ __ ] another woman he's never going to go [ __ ] a chick in the bath in a dingy [ __ ] bathroom at a nightclub because

Courtney Ferrishe watches porn if you put yourself in an environment like a nightclub or a bar INF like actual physical infidelity can occur isn't watching porn putting your mental state in an environment where

Courtney Ferrisit's okay to look at other naked women therefore allowing yourself to maybe think it's okay to talk to other women with other women kind of getting into that so you're saying you think watching porn

Brian Atlasis as bad as your girlfriend's [ __ ] another dude that is not what I'm saying you're taking my words out of context what I aming you're trying to make a comparison no no no no you are trying to make a comparison between watching porn

Brian Atlasand a woman going to the nightclub or bar but the point here is that the you take if you take each of them you put each of them to their maximum negative

Brian Atlasoutcome the the maximum negative outcome for man watching porn is he's porn addicted okay the maximum negative outcome of a woman going to a bar or nightclub is infidelity in that environment I said high risk I said it

Juliawas higher risk for sure okay but what I'm saying is I don't you're just arguing to argue I don't know what you're I'm not arguing to argue so here's what I'm trying to say that the whole purpose was about if we take the general mindset of the average girl

Juliashe's in a relationship she goes out to a bar we can assume you're trying to assume that that it you're saying that it's worse than a guy who who looking up porn it doesn't even matter if he's porn addicted it is worse yes but that

Juliamentality so why is but if if we're assuming that no cuz going to a bar does not murder is worse necessitate physical assault murder is worse than slapping somebody you go to a bar and just

Juliabecause it's a possibility that that could happen it doesn't mean that that actually happen so let's say they go to a bar nothing if you were married would you go like let's say you were married would you regularly go to bars and nightclubs no but I also would expect

TTS Readerthat my husband would not be ing porn that's fine that should be something that is established early on in the relationship $99 none of you are credible sources for dating advice considering the fact none

TTS Readerof your relationships have had a longer shelf life than a banana none of you are ready for a relationship if you can't see going to single Gatherings for the red flag it

Brian Atlasis I just think should hold them to the same just to respond to M the purpose of a nightclub bar or party is to provide a venue typically for single people to meet each other if women just wanted to

Brian Atlashang out with their friends drink cocktails dance with each other and avoid the exhausting approaches of single men they'd stay in and not just and you just stay in or they go to a

Brian Atlaspainting class or or brunch or something where you're not indulging in a social environment to get drunk Absolut girls night in a much more I assume that'd be a much more enjoyable experience you

Brian Atlasdon't spend as much uh on drinks you get to eat whatever snacks you want you can dress however you like the company is pleasant and you can discuss all the things that you'd like to talk about with your friends without blaring music

Brian Atlasand drunk people and crazy flashing lights if you go out to clubs and bars like you are going to get you're looking for attention from men I also feel like it can affect a women's mentality

Madisonbecause when you're in this party environment there's also things like alcohol involved there's intoxication have you ever been approached by a guy and you said no right you you've probably been approached by a man and you've said no has he ever come back and

Madisontried talking to you again no don't go running home to your boyfriend saying oh my God this guy tried getting at me because you're putting yourself in the position where that's able to happen to you and then it [ __ ] with your mindset too you're like oh [ __ ] men men are

Brian Atlasgross blah blah blah but you're also putting yourself in the position to be approached by men to do that to you look I'll look I'll just say this gentlemen don't be in a serious

Brian Atlasrelationship with a woman who doesn't realize the importance of limiting their own behavior to protect the relationship that's

Juliait do you have more no I would say ladies same thing and if he's watching porn look out okay this is just a whataboutism I think that puts the relationship in danger you you talked

Brian Atlasabout behaviors that put the relationship in you're literally [ __ ] hijacking the conversation by trying to talk about porn we can talk about porn but you're trying to discredit my stance

Brian Atlason the don't date people that regularly go out to bars and night clubs by saying porn is bad I don't disagree with you but you're literally hijacking the conversation Madison can you read that

Madisonyou conflict reality with fiction that's B crap guys that blank porn stars make 05% of all men there is a 99.99% chance that an average guy never [ __ ] up porn

Madisonstar but here's a 99.9% chance of his girlfriend flirting with the random dude while clubing and Hector Rodriguez no I never was into Club she's trying to say that a guy

Brian Atlasoccasionally watching porn is as bad as a woman going out to nightclubs and bars and parties while in a long-term monogamous committed relationship and putting herself in an environment where she knows she's going to get approached

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