33 Year Old VIRGIN?! 5 Threesomes At 18?! | Dating Talk #108

Date: 2023-10-11

Duration: 5h 40m

Guests

Brian Atlas

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PParisa (DT108)>

SSienna (DT108)>

LLauren Harkins >

CCourtney Ferris >

JJulia (DT108)>

SSteve (DT108)>

MMadison (DT115)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_02Courtney Ferris(guest)

SPEAKER_03Greta(guest)

SPEAKER_04Sienna(guest)

SPEAKER_05Kiki(audience)

SPEAKER_06Julia(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Steve(guest)

SPEAKER_11Noise/Laughter(audience)

SPEAKER_12Lauren(guest)

SPEAKER_13Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_14Parisa(guest)

Key Moments

Key Moment33-year-old virgin Lauren discusses her complete lack of in-person sexual attraction. Never been on a date, never had a crush in real life, never experienced attraction sufficient to pursue anyone. In 33 years, not one person has triggered pursuit. Only celebrity she finds attractive: Paul Walker.

“I've never I've never dated never really been interested in dating... not even a crush in high school”

QuoteLauren describes herself as "somewhere on the asexual spectrum" but avoids the label due to it being "taken over by the woke mob."

“I think I'm somewhere on that spectrum... I hesitate to use the word asexual... it's been kind of taken over by the woke mob”

Key MomentLauren says she would rather die a virgin than settle, even at 45. Brian challenges whether she is waiting for a unicorn that does not exist.

“I would rather die a virgin than be with the wrong person... it could be are you would you be let's say you're like 45”

QuoteLauren states she would rather die a virgin than be with the wrong person.

“I would rather die a virgin than be with the wrong person like 100% rather rather die a virgin 100%”

Key MomentGreta reveals she contracted chlamydia from a married couple she met via Tinder (her friend found them). The couple denied it afterward. Greta found out via regular STI testing.

“they were great the chyia not so great... they denied it even after I told them but it was fine they were”

Key MomentGreta reveals she had 5 threesomes by age 18. Brian is visibly surprised and confirms the count.

“five five threesoms MH and but was it each one was like with a different group of people yes”

Key MomentGreta describes the smoke shop mix-up: drunk at the beach, met a guy's brother (Billy) instead of the intended contact (Bobby), hooked up with Billy, then Billy left her stranded in a different city.

“I walked up to his brother which was not him... I proceeded to have some fun with his brother... he left me at the he left me in a different city on the side of the road”

Key MomentSienna describes her abusive ex-relationship (2018-2020): he gave her silent treatment when she declined sex, cheated by texting another girl, made her pay for everything, restricted her clothing, and made misogynistic comments about assault victims.

“he would like expect sex... he'd be like I'm a horny little like teenage boy what do you expect... he would call you names he wouldn't let you go outside and shorts or a tank top”

QuoteParisa states that the body count double standard is misogynistic — that sex should weigh equally regardless of gender.

“I think it's misogynistic to say that like there's a difference between the weight that a woman's body count holds and a man's body count”

QuoteSteve says he wishes he could go back and be a virgin, seeing his married brother's life as a model.

“I wish I could go back and be a virgin I really do... I see how my brother my brother just had a baby he's married he's having a lovely life”

QuoteBrian lists 15+ systematic disadvantages men face in the workplace (dangerous jobs, overtime, commute, etc.) in response to the wage gap discussion.

“there's the trades gap there's the dangerous jobs gap 97 something like 97% of workplace deaths are men... more likely to die on the job gap more likely to be electrocuted to death gap”

Key MomentGreta reveals her sugar daddy story: her sister's former sugar daddy found her via Venmo, first messaged when she was 15 (ignored), then at 17 (ghosted), resumed contact after 18; sent approximately $3,000 total.

“he found me cuz he was my sister's sugar daddy... he hit me up at 15 I didn't respond to him until I was no 17... he's still your sugar daddy how much... probably like three grand”

Key MomentSienna describes a sugar daddy who became creepy: referred to his genitals as "bulging," sent an unsolicited photo, she stopped contact. Received approximately $350 total.

“he would refer to his like dick as a bulge and he'd be like I'm bulging I'm bulging... he sent me a picture of his dick and it was 14 in long”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Brian opens show from Santa Barbara; mentions co-host Kiki (shy). Guests introduce: Greta (18, SBCC psychology/caregiver; mic issues initially), Parisa (18, SBCC English), Sienna (18, SBCC biology/nursing), Lauren (33, GBI agent trainee from Maine — virgin centerpiece), Courtney Ferris (27, Death to Digital agency co-founder), Julia (29, tech consultant), Steve (26, executive protection/entrepreneur, LA), Madison (18, Whatever Podcast staff/SBCC).

Relationship Status Round

Round of current relationship statuses: Greta (single 2yr, FWB sneaky link), Parisa (single 1 month), Sienna (new relationship 1 month), Lauren (never been in a relationship, never dated — extended discussion), Julia (relationship 2yr), Steve (single since May 2022), Madison (relationship 1+ year). Lauren's situation dominates the round — deep dive into her virginity, asexuality, dating abstinence, and standards.

Lauren's Virginity and Asexual Spectrum Identity

Extended segment on Lauren's 33-year virginity. Brian probes: never dated, no in-person attraction, possibly asexual but avoids label, would rather die a virgin than be with the wrong person, only attracted to Paul Walker type. Discussion of her connection-only requirement, divorced parents, college at U of Southern Maine. Steve and others react with disbelief. Lauren describes wanting only a long-term relationship (no marriage, no kids), not actively seeking, in her "let go and let God era."

Greta's Threesome History and Dating Stories

Brian reads Greta's pre-show notes. 5 threesomes at 18 — details of each. Married couple on Tinder gave her chlamydia. Smoke shop mix-up: accidentally hooked up with wrong brother (Bobby vs Billy), got abandoned in another city while drunk. Marine boyfriend tried to marry her after brief relationship. Ex-boyfriend with one testicle (testicular torsion/implosion). General dating philosophy: wants chivalry and flowers but also casual hookup freedom.

Chivalry, Traditional Dating, and Men Paying

Debate over whether men should pay for dates and practice chivalry. Greta: men should open doors and buy flowers. Brian: romantic gestures should be contingent on women moving traditionally/exclusively. Courtney: men create the environment; women shouldn't have to prove themselves first. Extended debate over whether current dating marketplace makes traditional gestures by men irrational.

Sienna's Abusive Relationship

Brian reads Sienna's pre-show notes. 2018-2020 relationship: emotionally and physically abusive boyfriend. He required sex to give her attention, sent her a screenshot of him texting another girl without breaking up first, made her pay for everything, restricted her clothing, made misogynistic rape victim-blaming comments (the final straw), attempted to use fireworks on her. Discussion of sex withholding dynamics in relationships.

Sex Expectations in Committed Relationships

Debate: should partners feel obligated to fulfill each other sexually? Brian argues dead bedrooms indicate incompatibility; men should be able to leave if sexually unfulfilled. Greta counters sex must be fully voluntary. Courtney cites Bible verse (do not withhold your body from your partner). Steve shares Miami situationship story: both gave silent treatment when declining sex.

Social Media and Going Out in Relationships

Discussion of whether women in relationships should post revealing photos online or go out partying frequently. Brian: women should keep some modesty in photos when in a committed relationship. Courtney: posting does not imply infidelity. Steve: women at clubs/bars create vulnerability situations. Debate over control vs. trust.

Cheating, Hookup Culture, and Modern Dating

Greta: stopped dating men because everyone cheats. Parisa: 99% of men will cheat. Brian: women cheat as much as men; both sexes in hookup culture. Discussion of what counts as cheating (porn, only fans, going to clubs). Debate over whether college relationships work. Courtney shares personal anecdote of respecting herself by staying after she clearly wasn't being respected.

Feminism Round and Wage Gap Debate

Each guest states whether they identify as feminist: Greta (yes, girls' girl), Parisa (yes, inequalities exist), Sienna (yes, raised that way), Lauren (not today's feminism), Courtney (no), Julia (yes for 1st wave suffrage only), Steve (no), Madison (no). Extended debate on wage gap: Parisa says it exists, Brian says it's been debunked. Discussion of women's occupational choices, hazardous work gaps, work-life balance differences. Brian lists 15+ "gaps" men face (dangerous jobs, overtime, commute, etc.).

Body Count Discussion

Key-in-lock theory debate. Brian argues high body count is undesirable in both sexes but especially in women due to attachment. Parisa: body count double standard is misogynistic. Courtney: past is past, it's about current character. Body count reveals at ~303min: Madison=8, Greta=16, Lauren=0 (virgin), Parisa declined, Sienna declined, Steve declined (Navy joke), Brian "more than one."

Abortion, Feminism, and Equality Debate (Late Show)

Continuation of feminism debate: Parisa argues for complete equality including men's issues. Discussion of abortion (California context). Brian: modern feminism is a corporate psyop to double the labor pool. Extended debate on whether gynocentric society exists. Brian lists men's systematic disadvantages.

Ratings Round

Self-rated looks (1-10): Julia=7 then revised to 10, Parisa=7, Sienna=7.5, Courtney=8 then 10 (noting boyfriend was watching), Steve=8.5, Madison=6. Brian declines to rate panel; says he cannot pick 7.

Sugar Daddy Stories

Greta: sister's former sugar daddy found her via Venmo; first contact at 15 (ignored), resumed at 17-18; received ~$3,000 total. Sienna: sugar daddy sent ~$350 via Snapchat; became creepy (called himself "bulging"), she stopped contact after he sent unsolicited photo.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasage and occupation go ahead um I'm Greta I'm 18 and I'm a student at sbcc and I'm a caregiver what do you

Brian Atlasstudy at uh CC psychology okay what about you uh my name is Parisa I'm 18 and I go to sbcc as well gotcha

Siennawhat do you study there uh I'm an English major English okay I'm Sienna I'm 18 years old and I go to SBC as well and I major in biology sorry did you say

Brian Atlas18 also yeah okay bio okay you want to be a doctor or a nurse nurse got it you going to do the nursing program there or um maybe gotcha what about you cool hi

LaurenI'm Lauren I'm 3 three and I have a background in Corrections and I'm in the process of becoming a special agent um hold on the it's saying that Greta's mic is not working

Brian AtlasNick first mic is off uh what happened there nick uh n turned

Brian Atlasoff it's on why why was I don't know that's on Nick you I'm already micromanaging way too much stuff behind the scenes like you got to be the person

Brian Atlasto just make sure that like everything make sure all the mics are on it's okay what about you uh I'm Lauren I'm 33 I'm in the process of

Laurenbecoming a special agent criminal investigator 33 yes and you special agent for what uh it's a state position like uh with which agency um this would be gbi Georgia beer of

Brian AtlasInvestigation okay and is there a specific thing that you're investigating or um

Laurencrimes crimes in general is there Crim so the G they would call upon um the gbi for to investigate certain crimes um like local law enforcement would call

Courtney Ferrisupon them to investigate certain certain crimes okay got it what about you hey everybody I'm Courtney Ferris I am 27 years old in I'm the co-founder of death

Juliato digital creative agency okay hi I'm Julia I'm 29 and I am a consultant for a technology company

Steveall right I am Steve 26 I'm in Los Angeles I got my political science degree I do executive protection and

Madisonentrepreneur my name is Madison I'm 18 years old I'm a host at a bar I work for the whatever podcast as well as a student at Santa Barbara City College studying business all right cool cool uh

Brian Atlaswe're going to go around the table once more so please tell us what your current relationship status is so are you single talking stage situationship Friends with Benefits relationship married poly sex cult um Harum I guess I don't know

Brian Atlasthere's all kinds of interesting things if you're single how long have you been single and what's the longest relationship you've ever been then does my mic work does this work now

Gretawe fixed it go ahead cool um I'm single I've been single for about 2 years and I mean I guess I'm Friends with Benefits I

Gretahave a little boo thing but he doesn't live here so currently yeah so it's an occasional thing but so you have a Friends with

Brian AtlasBenefits um you know what I'll come back to well I'll let everybody share before I get into details what about you uh I'm single um I've been single for like a

Parisamonth and my longest relationship was five months five months okay um I'm taken right

Siennanow taken yeah in a relationship ree this is pretty new though isn't it um well yeah like a

Brian Atlasmonth okay so it's exclusive committed relationship okay so it's been one month longest what's your longest relationship

Brian Atlastwo years two years okay got it uh what about you I'm single I've never been in a relationship single never

Brian Atlasbeen what's the longest period of time that you've like talk to a guy or never 30 you're 33 though right 33 yep

Brian Atlasuh how does that work how does that end up working um it's great for me I like it I enjoy my life I'm GNA come back to everybody's everybody on on their relationship situations I just want to

Juliaget everybody real quick go ahead what about you I'm in a relationship all right how long two years two years okay I'm single I've been single for about 2

Steveyears and my longest relationship is about 3 years was about 3 years got it Steve uh single last relationship

Stevewas say may 2022 so about a year and a half and gotcha longest about 6 months 6 months okay and then Madison I'm taken I have a boyfriend my

Madisoncurrent relationship is my longest relationship and it's a little over a year okay got it um so I want to come

Brian Atlasback to you you're 33 yes uh single have you you've never even been on a date with a guy um no I I've been on like

Laurenmaybe in high school like with guy friends but it was never a date to me um no I've never I've never dated never really been interested in dating um okay

Laurenjust not just not ready I guess just not haven't found the right person not really looking not ready at 33 not ready at 33 um when's when do you think you'll be ready I don't know I'm not sure never maybe I don't know are you are you

Brian Atlasreligious or I'm not religious not religious so you consider yourself agnostic or atheist or um I would say spiritual I mean I I believe in like a higher power but I wouldn't say I'm definitely not religious what does it

Laurenmean to be you believe in a higher power like um Satan are you Satanist or oh God no no no no um no like I believe in God I'm just not I don't go to church I

Brian Atlasdon't right you know I'm not religious to that okay I see what you're saying yeah so okay never dated um so are do you consider yourself asexual um I think

LaurenI'm somewhere on that Spectrum I hesitate to use the word a sexual I used to say that I was asexual um but I hesitate to say that just because I feel like it's been kind of taken over by the

Laurenwoke mob um which I just don't want to be affiliated with sure so IES to say that so then you're a virgin yes okay I think they're going to make a movie

Brian Atlasabout you soon you know The 40-Year-Old Virgin you're getting there um it's a great movie I would love it okay so um never dated not even casually yes um you

Brian Atlassaid in your pre-show notes to us never been a priority for you you've yet to meet a man that you would like to date yeah okay um so but I'm sure like uh

Laurenhave you ever been on dating apps at all no never been okay um have you been approached by a guy who's been interested yeah of course um but I I

Laurenjust look at guys to me as like like guy friends like I love I don't know just like you know bro bro friends like I just like I like hanging out with guys

Laurenum but no I've just never been interested in um dating anybody okay and so is it do you think your standards are too high or

Laurenwhat do you think it is it's possible it's it's possible um but for me um I think it's just I'm very comfortable being alone I'm really comfortable being by myself sure so it would take like an undeniable connection to kind of like

Brian Atlasbreak me out of that okay I think do you want kids I do not don't want kids okay um do you like getting attention yes yeah for sure is there a followup to

Stevethat question or I mean well I wondered cuz I is that why women date men for attention I think it's a perk Maybe not maybe not date but uh talk to and and

Juliasee the attention not like in a bad way I mean you give attention to the to the man as well but I it's a nice little up a little bit like that so yeah

Laurengo ahead okay I think it's a not I think it's not nice to have little yeah two-way street yeah for sure have you tried dating women no I would I wouldn't date a woman I'm I if I was going to be with some i' definitely be a man um

Brian Atlasrespectfully you said in your pre-show notes I feel like I could experience sexual attraction for the right guy but it's definitely not something that happens often yes so it has happened before um no I mean no not with anyone

Laurenthat I've met You' not with anyone that I've personally met um like I might see a celebrity and like think they're good-looking but I've never in person I've just never really

Laurenexperienced attraction never even a crush in high school I mean like early early High School never experienced I've never really at least to the extent of me wanting to pursue something or date

Laurenanyone are there any celebrities now that you think are attractive like anything that comes to mind man honestly very few um I I like Paul Walker I was a Paul

Brian AtlasWalker Paul Walker okay yeah so you would have gone for Paul Walk Walker yes rest in peace okay um for sure so is it a physical attraction thing you think or

LaurenI think that's part of it a connection personality thing or I think it's both I think it has to be both I mean because at the end of the day you could put me in front of like the most conventionally attractive man and like who's a millionaire just if I don't feel like a

Laurena connection like a soul connection that like really is just like undeniable for me like it's just not um I would I just wouldn't go for that it's just not something that I have you ever had that

Brian Atlasexperience before with any man M so maybe are you I mean it sounds like you're looking for something kind of ethereal that might in actuality not even exist absolutely and it maybe it

Laurendoesn't if it doesn't I mean um I'm I'm okay with that the nunery for you just then I don't know if I would go so far to say nuny but um at the end of the day I mean I'm not in any rush just because

LaurenI don't want to get married and have kids right so I don't I don't see like it's not it isn't a priority for me it's just um it it would almost seem to me though if you don't want to get married

Brian Atlasmarried and have kids then it almost seems like you don't need to have particularly

Brian Atlashigh standards for a guy like I okay that's not the right phrasing but you know typically like if you're looking for someone to marry and have kids with then there's certain criteria like okay

Brian Atlaswell this how what's this person's capability for providing are they going to be a good father but those things that those aren't really criteria that you probably necessarily care about since you don't want to have kids and I

Laurenassume you have a good job and everything so you're not looking for a provider I'm assuming yeah that makes sense I feel like if I was going to be in relationship with the right man it would um I mean I'd be looking for like

Laurena long-term relationship so just no marriage no kids um just longterm longm yeah you can have that without marriage 100% um so yeah no no marriage for me but um are are your parents still

Brian Atlastogether no divorced yes young how young were you when I was six six do you think that that that had an impact on your um I'm not sure view on relationships at

Laurenall I don't know it's a good question um I I I don't think so honestly um it's possible I don't it's not something that I really look at as like a a super

Madisontraumatic event so I'm not I'm not entirely sure do you want a long-term partner or do you plan on being pretty independent for the rest of your life I'm kind kind

Laurenof in my like let go and let God era honestly I don't I don't really know um I think if I were to meet somebody wait you're in your what era my let go and let God era let let go let go and let

LaurenGod baby let go and let God um I don't know I feel like if I were to meet somebody yes I like if it was the right person but um let's paint what the right

Brian Atlasperson is okay so let's physical characteristics let's do that okay that's hard that's hard though how tall are you um

LaurenI would like like 5'9 to six no but how tall are you oh how tall am I oh I'm 5'2 5'2 okay so you would like 5'9 somewhere

Brian Atlasyeah that minimum height okay somewhere 510 something what other physical characteristic like if you're thinking of the man that you would eventually

Brian Atlasafter 33 years that you're going to go for what are we talking here I don't know white guy Asian black latino do you have a race preference I would say white

Brian Atlaswhite guy okay blonde brunette blue eyes brown eyes matter doesn't matter so me um muscular yeah I would like thin

Brian Atlasmuscular how muscular are we talking about Steve over here Steve museve got some guns um yeah I mean like you know takes care of himself excises what about Dad bods

Laurenwhat do you think of dadbods dad bods um I respect it I feel like I respect I respect the dad bods does like um I feel like for me I mean I I like to take care of myself I like to work out so someone

Brian Atlaswho you know works out and take care of themselves okay uh personality-wise do you like uh I would say like a really good personality like extroverted

Laurenintroverted loud loud kind of more on the I what's the I would say Ambert yeah I like the Ambert maybe like a little

Laurenum more outgoing um strong silent type funny type what about would you want artsy no I don't think so no went to Art School you could be a stabilizing

Laurenpresence in their life the Mad artist uh I don't think I don't think I would go for Arty um but I mean again I'm not going for anyone so as you've gotten

Laurenolder has your expectations for a man increased or decreased um I would say stayed pretty much the same I think the only thing

Laurenthat's changed as I've gotten older is that I'm now more open to the possib ility of being in a long-term relationship with the right person I feel like whereas before you were more focused on Career yeah like 20s I mean as I said like I'm not even in the

Laurencareer right now I'm just like in the process of getting that started so um yeah I feel like 20s just went by so fast I don't even know what happened but um I just knew like I didn't want to be in a relationship like teenager 20s I

Brian Atlasjust wasn't into that got it and so you've never felt physical attraction for a guy or was it sexual attraction um no not really to be honest no um not even one you weren't like walking

Laurendown the street where are you from again Maine you came from Maine I did Maine Maine it's like the opposite end New England right is that new that's New England it's the Norther most northe

Brian Atlaswhat's the capital of Maine Portland sorry Augusta austa austa so you're walking down austa you haven't seen a strapping young or I guess not young it's kind of rare to it's very rare to

Laurensee like a you see a good-looking guy in public that's why when you find one you snatch it and then what about on a hike a hike you're hiking um I can't I mean I can acknowledge when someone's good-looking it's not it's not that it's

Brian Atlasjust I just I'm like oh like I I'll be friends with him like I that's like how iach in your 33 years you've never dated never been intimate with a guy never had sex you're a virgin

Laurenum you think maybe you could lower your standards a little bit I would rather not Brian I would rather not um I but do you do you think it's it's I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the

Brian Atlasthe position you're in but it's probably not the it's certainly not the norm that you haven't like you don't find anyone physically attractive so could it be that you're just like holding out for this elusive unicorn person that's just

Brian Atlasnever going to come and yeah it could be are you would you be let's say you're like 45 let's Flash Forward 12 12 Years A Dozen Years mhm if it doesn't happen by then are you

Laurenjust going to like maybe just the next guy you see no I I would rather die a virgin than be with the wrong person like 100% rather rather die a virgin 100% 100% well thanks sorry you repeat

Brian Atlasthat you'd rather die a virgin than what than be with the wrong person or or like pursue something with someone that I'm not the way you're the way it sounds to me it's not that you'd rather die virgin than be with the wrong person you'd

Brian Atlasrather die virgin than be with a person that's not perfect um well I know Perfection doesn't exist I'm obviously aware of that I mean I don't think I'm perfect you're not physically attracted you have you in 33 years you've haven't

Laurenbeen physically attracted to any person that's yeah not really not in person but but also with that being said I haven't been looking for that I've been very like closed off to that so I mean um you

Laurengo to college I did yeah what you uh what college did you go to um I went to the University of Southern Maine what's the uh enrollment there how many people go there oh I wouldn't know I'm not sure

Lauren10,000 20,000 30 yeah it's a big commuter school um it's it's pretty it's pretty big four years in college not one hunky College dude

Stevenothing no I just yeah no I think you're getting at what sort of unicorn you are like I've never heard this ever in my life her no you're you live in LA right

Steveyeah yeah la is like lost cause it's a bad it's a bad time it's a failed Society now it's a bad time about giving up I'm ready to move out but she's not demanding I mean it's like she's not I

Juliadon't I it's just you're not prioritizing you're not hunting so I don't think that she's said she has a too high standard I just think it's not a priority it's just not a priority I mean but I I guess the the

Laurenthing that I get a little stuck on is and it could do you think you're a romantic um no I well I used to say that but I think I think um again to I feel

Laurenlike sexuality romance are kind of intertwined so like I wouldn't even want to do anything with someone that I'm not attracted to so I guess if you're looking at it that way yeah but um what about like a love movie or you know like

JuliaI watched The Little Mermaid the other day I watched the animated one what it's so nice when when they he fights for her it is I mean as I said like I feel like

Laurenas yes as I'm getting older I feel like I'm that's like growing on me more but I still I don't know if I'm like there yet but it's it's are you like waiting for your soulmate do you think there's like

Laurensoulmate energy yeah I I do I mean I think um I don't know if there's like more than one for like everyone I'm not entirely sure I mean there totally could be I'm not like sold on the idea of like one specific person for one other spe specific person but um yeah if I was

Laurengoing to be with someone it would be with someone that I really had a connection with like like I same with like friends like I look at friends like that like if I like connect with you like energetically then um you know then

Stevewe're friends great do you drink I don't no drugs no no nothing Steve is falling in love who is who's this unicorn all these girls in La man I'm her here I guess you could say yeah no I don't

Brian Atlasdrink sure sure okay um I'm not going to grill you too hard but that's sorry no and and there I don't think there's um I'm just more Curious than anything I'm

Brian Atlasnot uh it's certainly unique to hear someone in the your situation uh so okay you've been single for two years yes but you currently have a uh friends with

Brian Atlasbenefits uh you have just one friends with benefits or you got to cuz you know sometimes hear people say I got a roster I got a couple people and I get you you know you probably got some games so like

Gretais it just one um I mean I just have one like Friends with Benefits that's like keeps going you know stays the same I mean

GretaI'll go from here and there I haven't really got with anybody recently but he's like my consistent person okay but um you know yeah tinder's a thing you

Brian Atlaswell you're on Tinder currently right I am okay so it's not exclusive you and your friends with Ben benefits thing no how often do you guys see each other once a week or no he doesn't live here so okay so it's kind of when we have

Brian Atlastime to see each other where where is he uh not going to say that well just Northern California SoCal out of state

Brian AtlasCalifornia different part of California okay when's the last time you saw him um be like two weeks ago two weeks ago okay um have you hung out with another guy in

Gretathe past two weeks no no but it's not because of him oh just nothing's stand I mean there's a person then I would but gotcha well we have some pre-show notes here from you

Brian Atlasthat you provided you said that you've dated alcoholics skitso hard drug addicts and then you stopped dating men yes but you you're currently semi- dating a guy friends I'm not semi-

Brian Atlasdating him I'm not dating anybody he's my little boo thing is what I like to say you guys just [ __ ] once or twice a month type of thing or yeah friends with

Brian Atlaswhenever I see them yeah okay um but then you sto dating men um yes let's see your your first this is your notes that you provide first boyfriend had one ball

Brian Atlasoh yeah and you didn't realize till halfway into the relationship did did it bother you when you found out that there was a singular ball no it upset you did it upset you no I thought it was kind of

Gretafunny that he had you just didn't know it was a surprise to you I mean if I'm being real my first boyfriend it was like the first like in life dick that

GretaI've ever seen and I didn't really know the difference until I kind of took a better look and I was like damn you have one nut down there what how did he did

Brian Atlashe lose it in a trag in like a train accident imploded imploded is that a thing ball imp random ball imp he woke up one day and it

Gretawas giant randomly when he slept yeah he woke up and one ball was giant [ __ ] that's a new fear in my I he tried to

Gretatell like his you know Guardian that Guardian well oh I don't I don't want to exploit anybody here okay but yeah his person tried to tell him that something was up with this ball they didn't

Gretabelieve him until later that night he was like no something's bad and just big big ass nut and ited

Brian Atlasimp impl B implosion had to get surgery and he had to get can the chat Google if ball implosion is a thing one thing one thing I have heard of is there's something called testicular torsion

Brian Atlaswhere and it can happen while you're sleeping the like it can the cord or something can get wrapped up or something and then it can cut off the

Brian Atlasblood supply or something it can happen like if I don't know in any case yeah that's scary that's so he had it surgically that sucks surgically removed

Brian Atlasrip rip his ball rip rip his one ball I at least he has one he has one left so that's still doing good they call him Uno so huh they call him Uno unib baller

GretaI I I would call him wow did you notice or did he tell you um it took me a minute to notice and then I looked and I was like whoa there's only one thing

Gretadown here he was like yeah my ball imploded what's it look like here um okay it just looks like like one ball one like you just right under just one one so so you said that you and your

Brian Atlasfriend had a threesome with your neighbor the first month of moving into your apartment yes okay I did and you also and but so you're uh how many

Brian Atlasthreesums have you had CU it sounds like you had a threesome with a couple and they gave you what what happened with Chia they gave me chyia the threesome uhhuh I mean they were hot they were the C was hot married how how did you find

Gretathem was it on Tinder and they were looking for what's it called a unicorn actually my friend found them on Tinder okay and then they know that like my dream Bucket List was to you know have a

Gretacouple that's like obsessed with me and they just want me and she found them for me and you know they were great it was a guia yeah they gave you chlamydia they gave me Chia that doesn't sound great

Gretathey were great you know they were great the chyia not so great but you know I took those antibiotics I got rid of it how did you find out that you had the I

Gretaget tested pretty often you get tested pretty often just yeah were you symptomless huh symptomless yeah I was yeah majority it was a shock I had a

Gretapanic attack when they got that email 60 or 70% of guys symptomless yeah good times I wasn't expecting it they denied it even after I told them but it was fine they were how do you know it was from them though cuzz I mean maybe it

Gretawas a different hookup no it was from them well I you sure had had my threeome with the neighbor boy

Gretabefore I had [ __ ] them and then I made sure that the neighbor boy got tested to make sure it wasn't from anybody else and everybody else before was clean

Brian Atlasuntil them so I narrowed down my options how did you find them they were on a dating app is that were on a da oh and your friend my friend found him did your friend also two but your friend was like

Brian Atlasshe's better suited for for this um exactly it was oh go ahead Steve how old are you now I'm 18 and when did this

Gretahappen um maybe like a month ago two months month and a half maybe yeah I okay did you only have sex with them one time yes because cical media um I think

Gretait's kind of like their thing they don't like giving people media in three s well when you're married I feel like you don't want to keep doing it with the same same person cuz then like things can happen so I think it was just kind

Juliaof a one time let's have some fun how old are they um they're older they're like like 30s 20s 20s and 30s nice yeah

Gretasounds predatory not at all no bit to give 18-year-old girls chyia without telling them well I don't know little I don't know if they knew they were had

Gretachyia but they said they got tested like every week I don't really believe that but you know they were hot I don't really care they were bad so I had a

Brian Atlasgreat time they had a great time that wasn't your first threesome you say you like threes Sims right I do how many how many have you

Brian Atlashad five five threesoms MH and but was it each one was like with a different group of people yes okay gotcha and it

Brian Atlashas it always been girl guy like a girl girl guy mhm okay so and has it always been couples or just like you randomly will just fall into it kind of depends

Gretasometimes it's I mean only one time it's been a couple that's like together and then other times it's kind of just you know friends yeah have you found them all on dating apps

Gretano one of them oh damn I'm really exploiting myself right now it's good it's good please feel free to share my little sneaky link sneaky link yeah my

Gretacurrent my boo my current sneaky link yeah the friends of benefits that's what I call him he's my sneaky link cuz Okay you had the threesome with him yes I did

Gretaokay gotcha and then one with the neighbor one with um someone that is not going to be talked about and then the

Gretacouple and then my first one was actually with my best friend's manager and my my other friend you've had five threesoms I

Brian Atlashave kind of the best of both World Welcome to California um okay so wait so uh a couple questions here so

Brian Atlaswait how here just guys they're they're being open please hold your judgment okay um sorry I'm not really judgment more so

Brian Atlasjealous cuz I'm sitting here with a goose egg at 26 wait what's a goose zero fun oh zero threes zero honestly tell bu thing I haven't had any threesums I a

Gretacouple opportunities present themselves threesoms are overrated I'd rather disappoint one woman at a time to be honest see I've heard you say that but it's different when you're like a girl

Juliaand don't have to do anything dick you get both of it at the same time and it's kind of like heaven I'm just wondering if this is like the new thing that freshman's do that's why that's more my I'm not judging I'm curious cuz I'm like is this what freshman do now they just

Gretathat's the I don't think a lot of people like THS I think it's just kind of personally me because I just I it's just more it's more fun you get to have more

Madisonfun it's more fantasized I feel really with people around our age I would say so okay uh how of the five threes Sims you've

Brian Atlashad like have they all been within the past like 6 months pretty recently or um yeah for first one was probably like

Brian Atlas8 months ago and then since then the rest have come so okay gotcha yeah gotcha okay and let's see we have

Gretasome more notes from you uh let's see the Smoke Shop Story oh what happened there yeah okay

Brian Atlasyou want the full story the uh Cliff Notes short plot version so I was going to the beach there is this there's these

Gretaguys that work at the smoke shop where I used to live and um one of them got my number and I got his number and we were going to hang out and then anyway I proceeded to get extremely drunk at the

Gretabeach and then he called me and he was like oh let's hang out and I was like oh yeah let's hang out I went and met up with them and I guess I walked up to his

Gretabrother which was not him but I thought it was him and then I proceeded to go into the car with his brother and hang out and I was all oh blah blah blah and

Gretathen he was like no that's my brother's name and then yeah I proceeded to have some fun with his brother and then okay he he was kind of a [ __ ] though he left

Brian Atlasme at the he left me in a different city on the side of the road but it's fine well so you hooked so

Brian Atlasyou were planning to meet up with person with Bobby yeah his brother Billy you got them mixed up so you started talking to Billy Bobby wasn't there I guess no

GretaBobby was there oh just somewhere else he just no he was right there he just didn't say anything okay I got it he didn't let me know and then when I called Billy Bobby he was like no Bobby's my brother and you're like oh

Brian Atlasthat's cool I oh damn I kind of like you too though so type of thing I didn't but you hooked you ended up hooking up with

Stevemhm Billy yeah okay and you were too drunk to understand the difference between the brothers I guess so yeah I mean I don't like think it's anything

Gretalike wrong I mean I'm fine I put myself in that situation I was going with it I was having fun so I was I thought from the pre-show notes like you had already hooked up with him and then only after

Brian Atlasyou hooked up like you realized oh shoot I hooked up with the no I realized before and then you went along you went ahead okay got got gotcha um let's see you were dating a marine he tried to

Gretamarry you and then you stopped talking to him what happened there I did date a marine um I had a friend we got into this click of Marines um what does that mean she got

Gretainto a click of Marines we just met these marines at a party she hooked up with all of them once no she didn't okay s I'm just hearing things she's a [ __ ] but we don't talk about that oh we don't talk about her mm- I mean we can trust

Gretame but I don't think that's the TR did you hook up with her oh cuz you're by right huh I am you're by yeah um but I did not but what was the marine thing he tried to marry you and yeah we met the Marines and then I was talking to this

Gretaone Marine they all kind of wanted me they all wanted you yeah like three of them no three of them three of like the group they were trying to get at me and I didn't I was kind of turning him away

Gretacuz I didn't want him they were older and then this one he kind of caught my attention and then yeah he was like my little boyfriend for a second I don't really call call people boyfriends why

Gretais that what do you call them I don't know I don't I have to feel like a certain level of commitment to be your boyfriend whose phone is can somebody silence their phone was that me that was

Gretatotally me that might have been me no it was me I felt it sorry okay but yeah and then I couldn't call my boyfriend I guess I was his girlfriend I mean I I

Gretacalled him my boyfriend but with the air tags cuz I couldn't really do it but I tried to air tags like Oh I thought you like whatever that's called what's that

Gretacalled used air tag to stop something quotation air quotes that's what I meant and then yeah he tried to marry me he was like making me his background tried

Gretato marry you yeah he was like I want to marry you and then you ghosted him and then I just I said oh okay byebye oh okay I'm Sor do that what month did you

Steveturn 18 um January okay okay 18 and a half okay A lot's happened a lot has happened yeah do you not like commitment like are you just

Gretashe had a fun summer very um I don't know if I like commitment um I feel like I would like I'm envious of relationships that where

Gretatwo people are like very committed to each other but I think I don't trust anybody to actually be that committed to me so I just don't put myself in that situation where it's like full level

Gretacommitment could you be fully committed to someone you think I could it's just I don't trust people will to me so I just won't even go into like a situation

Courtney Ferriswhere I have to be committed cuz what would it take like for you to feel like trusting of someone enough to fully commit to you I don't know I feel like we just

Gretahave to talk for a while and like hang out for a while and like I visibly see that I'm the only person that they're hanging out with and they're not like going around being a hoe have you ever

Madisonbeen in a committed relationship before one that was in high school though I'm assuming that was in high school did it give you trust issues yeah he was a piece of [ __ ] so do you think that's the

Brian Atlasreason why you're not willing to be committed to anyone now prob probably good times great times good times good times awesome um in your pre-show notes you said you don't date anymore

Brian Atlasprimarily because men are [ __ ] your words and cheat on women even if they're nice even if the women are nice no even if the men are nice oh oh even if the

Gretaguys are nice they're I just by like what I've seen in other relationships and relationships like that I've been

Gretain everybody cheats on everybody like there's no like people that are hard strong together and if there are it's like super rare sure so I I just believe

GretaI mean not all men are [ __ ] girls are [ __ ] too I mean everybody is like everybody cheats on everybody and that's why I don't want to be in a relationship cuz I just see all these other relationships around me where people are

Brian Atlasjust cheating on everybody and it kind of just lowers the anticipation of being in a relationship you guys are kind of her same age do you kind of agree with what she's saying a little bit there's a lot is there a lot of cheating going on

Siennaa lot of infidelity people sleeping around that type of thing I think I think that 99% of men are going to cheat it's going to be really weird to find 99% men 99% I'm like really facted on

Parisathat paresa right yeah Pera um do you agree or I don't know I'd say that just our generation is definitely a lot more focused on hookup culture so like

Brian Atlascheating is just a given to be more common I see yep um you said that all these men they're cheating right have you have you ever cheated no never

Gretacheated no never mm okay that I just don't go and Rel relationships I not ready to commit when you say men are [ __ ] what what does it mean to be a [ __ ] like what is what does that like

Gretathey're just sleeping with a bunch of other women basically or yeah like sleeping with a bunch of people or or like looking to like looking to like they're just they're always looking like oh I want to [ __ ] this person I want to

Greta[ __ ] this person you know like they don't have to but if that's all that's on their mind then y that classifies as a I mean I'm not saying [ __ ] are bad [ __ ] can be nice people but it's just

Brian Atlasa [ __ ] mentality there's a [ __ ] mentality there's a [ __ ] and and do this horror mind virus has infected men more so than women I wouldn't say that I

Gretamean yeah I I believe that just because I see a lot of more men cheat on women than I see women cheat on men but I also know that women are just as likely to

Brian Atlascheat on men okay as men are do you just using your own own words here do you consider yourself to

TTS Readerbe a [ __ ] a [ __ ] yes I'm not a [ __ ] onon mels donated $99 y'all can't judge but I thank you

TTS ReaderBrandon appreciate it you nasty it's Joe ever I'm leaving California how are men 304s when you've had five threesoms at

Brian Atlasonly 18 years old because I have fun with my life what is the definition of a of a [ __ ] just somebody who has a lot

Gretaof sex with different people yeah I mean no not even like if you have sex with a bunch of different people and like say you're like in a bunch of different

Gretarelationships I mean I guess that's fine cuz you're trying to like work on it but aore is just somebody that like wants to [ __ ] someone this night this night this night every other night but how haven't

Gretayou done that um a little bit maybe just a little I mean not like five thre sus maybe five thre sums thre sums are just like my go-to people have go-tos go-to

Brian Atlasyeah if if there's two people and they're down I'm down I mean me and Steve here we've never wait who here at the table is and no judgment but who here's had a

Madisonthreesome show of hands ever had a threesome no threes sus anybody I mean I feel Madison Madison I have never had a

Brian Atlasthreesome and I probably won't for the rest of my life okay um okay uh you know you're look uh five is pretty good you

Brian Atlasknow I'm being honest I could have said too I appreciate the honesty by way your honesty because a lot of people I I a lot of people would just either um under

Brian Atlassell or they would not be honest but I actually genuinely appreciate your honesty because it makes for fun raw honest conversation ation cuz so

Brian Atlasappreciate it um so okay um you oh you said that okay you said we should go back to the olden days where men opened car doors and actually bought women

Gretaflowers mhm I mean if you're going to be a boyfriend you should buy your girlfriend flowers or you should do you should try to make some nice gestures you should try to make some nice gestures to like people what should the

Gretawoman do for the man I don't know I the same [ __ ] I don't know oh the men don't have to do all of it it's just you don't see dudes

Gretabringing a girl a bouquet of flowers anytime recently I haven't seen that in ever I have you guys seen I've never got one you had a note on this that you also

Brian Atlaskind of felt the same way might Pisa it might have been you let me check my notes about men it you wish things were more like the uh olden times

MadisonI don't think that was me that might have been me might have been you yeah uh you might just be attracting the wrong men in your life I think so yeah does has your boyfriend ever gotten you flowers in the one month that

Siennayou guys have been dating well we've been talking since like February but on my birthday he picked me some flowers just one yeah those are the only flowers I've ever gotten it's a little better

Juliathan picked that shows like he's trying the effort effort's there and flowers are expensive you know like if you're going to get a nice bouquet it's like at least $100 usually get $10

Brian Atlasone0 there some cheap flowers I can find some cheap flowers buy some cheap flowers very right I agree yes Sienna I think you said that modern dating sucks

Brian AtlasI wish it was more like it was back back then yeah yeah with no phones yeah before phones yeah no social media no phones okay how do you think it was um I

Brian Atlasthink it was more quality time spent together mhm um sure yeah before phones before social media less cheating okay I think that would have to be like prior like

Brian Atlassub 2005 like flip phones I think people started getting flip phones kind of that's when I think there's the peak is around maybe early mid

Brian Atlas2000s uh so yeah and then ever ever since social media and phone cell phones

Brian Atlasit's it's really plummeted steady insane decline um last thing here with uh Greta so well actually going back to it men should open car doors B buy women

Brian Atlasflowers is that before or after the five threes SS both huh you should always do that like but don't so you want guys to kind

Gretaof like be more traditional right yeah yeah but shouldn't women also be more traditional I mean to deserve that type of behav tral I think they should just be like

Gretarespectful and want to you know buy you a bouquet of flowers and want to open your car door for you and do [ __ ] like that they don't have to be fully

Brian Atlastraditional so you're kind of talking about chivalry yeah so men acting in a chivalrous gentlemanly exact manner doing these kind of gestures opening the

Brian Atlascar door getting flowers exactly like romantic gestures well what what so men have changed in so far

Brian Atlasas they've stopped doing that what have women either stopped doing or started doing differently I don't know I mean women

Gretakind of do the same thing like I feel like women should also do the same [ __ ] as men like they can both be [ __ ] before you know but like if they're on a date together and they're like trying to

Brian Atlasdo things for one another the women should also do what but it's typically I mean typically when you think of open car door that's that's a one directional thing the guy is opening the car door

Brian Atlasfor the woman the one it's not like okay the guy gets out of the car opens the car door for the woman then gets back into the car and then the woman goes and opens the car door for the guy it's like it's it can only be just like a domino

Brian Atlaseffect you don't have to do that go back and forth there's no reciprocity with opening a car girl driving the car they can open the door for the guy well wouldn't part of like being a traditional thing the guy would pick up the girl don't you think you don't have

Gretato so it's her car it's just more of a respectful thing not really traditional it's just like doing respectful nice things that you want to do for one

Gretaanother wait so her car but the guy opens the her car door for for her no I like it has the he should open the car door for the girl if a girl's driving she should she should open the for the

Courtney Ferrisguy yeah I don't know about opening the car door for the guy but I think that like men expect women to stand by their side show up as like a beautiful presentable woman and like the least they can do is

Gretaopen our door you know yeah if they want us to put our makeup on look all cute be like oh yes sir thank you like what open the car door for me like ultimately if

Madisonyou want a gentleman you have to be a lady exactly I mean yeah no no no no what were you actually going to say no I had to think about it yeah I agree with that well that's the thing it's like

Brian Atlasthis expectation for men to be gentlemen and for men to be chivalrous but in order for men to be chivalrous and a Gentleman like you have to be a lady I think everyone should just be

Brian Atlasrespectful respectful but why but you can can't you be respectful without opening a car door or buying flowers yeah but like in a way where like you want to do nice things whose phone is that can somebody silence that is that

Brian Atlasmy phone phone someone heard a ding right it's huh Nick is that your phone my phone's on I think it was m just can

Brian Atlasyou D just D and your phones if you can um okay so repeat what you're saying I just think people should be respectful to

Gretapeople and like want to do nice things for them it doesn't matter if you're a man or a woman you should want to do the above and beyond for the person that you like and want to get them flowers and

Brian Atlaswant to open the car door for them do you you said go back to the olden days do you think men should pay on the first dates and subsequent dates um I mean

Gretait'd be nice you don't have to but it'd be it'd be like yeah okay okay cool that's

Brian Atlasnice sure I mean my my whole thinking is though is like I think guys are not particularly inclined to do those things because they see how and look both men and women move this way but a lot of

Brian Atlaspeople are just like casually [ __ ] people and it's like okay I'm not going to go and open your car door and get you flowers and pay for your meal and do all

Brian Atlasthese romantic things when you've had sex with another person no not necessarily but if the way you're moving in the dating Marketplace for example if I was going on a date with a girl and

Brian Atlaslike she [ __ ] a guy like in the afternoon I wouldn't that's not really I would not want to like pay for her date I wouldn't want to buy her flowers I wouldn't want to open her car

Gretadoor I wouldn't want to do any of these romantic gestures cuz that's just like well then you shouldn't go on a date with a girl how but how I you're mad that she [ __ ] somebody an hour like in after you just should go on a date with

Gretathat person how would I know though well how would you know if they did or didn't you're not going to do it because they possibly could have [ __ ] somebody earlier that day but what if they didn't you don't know that you don't know there's no way to know exactly well I

Gretathink the way you carry yourself can be an indicator not necessarily so like you can't but like if you go around going on dates with women and you're just expecting oh they had sex with somebody

Gretaway before this that's just that's not okay because what if they didn't what if they're a virgin and they've never had sex with anybody but you're going to be like I'm not going to open your door I'm not going to buy you flowers I'm not

Gretagoing to be like nice and do anything like over and beyond for you because you could have possibly had sex with somebody before that's just it's not possibly like it's just the it's kind of

Brian Atlasthe reality of dating uh I would say it's look I'm not saying that every single woman is sleeping around and currently dating 3 four five guys at the same time sleeping with three four five

Brian Atlasguys at the same time however I think we can agree that there's a large portion of women and men that are [ __ ] around and I don't feel particularly inclined

Brian Atlasto to do all these like traditional like fall into my traditional gender roles while you're [ __ ] somebody else you can get you can get my traditional gender roles when you're

Brian Atlascommitted to me when you're exclusive to me but if you're not exclusive to me I'm not paying for [ __ ] until I know I have your commitment you're not getting any traditional treatment you have to prove yourself to me in the same way that men

Gretahave to prove themselves to women anybody want to like further things with you if you're going to have that mentality like you're not going to get [ __ ] from me unless you're going to prove that you aren that's how women operate and I'm saying that men are men

Brian Atlasare allowed to operate in that same operate that way that's exactly all women that's that's exactly how women operate you women are looking at men to prove themselves to them in a variety of different ways it could be their physical appearance it could be their

Brian Atlaspersonality it could be what they're bringing to the table that's how it is so I'm saying men can I'm I'm saying that men are also allowed to have

Gretapreferences standards and boundaries and not just cow toow to everything they don't have to feel like a pressure to buy dinner and do all this

Greta[ __ ] for a woman but if every man walks around with the mentality like oh I won't do this for this person I won't do this for this person cuz they could have [ __ ] somebody earlier today and I have no clue about it then all like romantic

GretaGest are going to be gone because that's just going to be the new thing where everyone's like well [ __ ] this person if they don't owe me this and they don't prove it to me they don't get [ __ ] nothing comes out of it well I do think romantic gestures should be gone

Brian Atlascertainly if somebody if you're going on a date with a woman and she like is [ __ ] other men while she's dating you well if she tells you she's [ __ ] other men she I'd say most women would not be honest about that well then how

Gretaare you going to assume that every person is because I would say more so I would say then women should just [ __ ] assume that all men are fing other people do yes women do assume that not

Brian Atlasall women okay who controls access to sex men or women women both women access to sex yeah who controls when sex happens men are women it depends who has

Brian Atlasa guy ever made you wait for sex like you wanted to [ __ ] have you ever said a told a guy who you were interested in and he wanted

Gretato hook up you and you made him wait for sex no you've okay well okay you've never made a guy wait for so you the you'll just [ __ ] first date I'm not saying there's that's wrong no I won't

Brian Atlas[ __ ] first date but like I mean I'll make hold on so the threesome the threesums that you've had you you waited like you went on the

Gretafirst date no so I mean I can so you do [ __ ] the you do [ __ ] on the first date I mean most threesome most of them it's kind of like this is what the plan

Brian Atlasis so it's not like we're going on a date it's kind of like we just want to [ __ ] okay so but you do you will hook up with someone or a group of people if

Gretathat's like what was intended on okay not if like I'm going on a date with a person and I'm just going to [ __ ] them the can you speak closer to the mics speak like

Brian Atlasum yeah no look I mean probably it would be better for like if I guess the reason I'm hesitant to fall into my traditional gender rules is I don't want to feel like a sucker I

Brian Atlasdon't want to get played right so I don't want to be put in a position where I go on a date with a girl I pay for the meal I do all these romantic gestures I get her flowers etc etc and then she get we end of the date 8:00 p.m. 9:00 p.m.

Brian Atlaswhatever and then she goes over to the guy's house who she's [ __ ] [ __ ] him who he never he never had to pay for a date he never took her out he's just some hot dude that she likes to [ __ ]

Brian Atlasso that to me is is in order for guys to hold up their end of the deal when it comes to traditional gender roles and being a gentleman women also have to

Brian Atlasmove in a way that is deserving like you women ought to curate and curate men's desire to be gentlemen yeah and that's not going to

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