RAGEQUIT KEEKO Returns! She Has 3 Baby Daddies?! | Dating Talk #88

Date: 2023-07-31
Duration: 5h 55m

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)
SPEAKER_01Dan(guest)
SPEAKER_02Michaela(guest)
SPEAKER_03Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_04Milan(guest)
SPEAKER_05Nicole(guest)
SPEAKER_06Jenna(guest)
SPEAKER_07Production(audience)
SPEAKER_08Kiko(guest)
SPEAKER_09Madison(guest)
SPEAKER_10Priya(guest)
SPEAKER_11Billy Ray(guest)

Key Moments

00:02:53
IntroBrian introduces Kiko as co-host and all guests introduce themselves with name/age/occupation

I am your host Brian Atlas I'm joined by my co-host Kiki she's a bit shy

00:06:36
OtherJenna reveals she has 4 kids by 3 different men; panel and Brian react with surprise

I have three baby daddies three... um two from one and then one from see this is where it gets really confusing

00:18:54
OtherJenna discloses she is Bipolar 1, diagnosed at 17; explains the difference between type 1 and type 2

I have a mental illness um I am bipolar one

00:31:20
Key MomentMilan explains she is simultaneously courting a Catholic abstinent man from Mass and a recently divorced older man; panel debates whether she should just commit to the abstinent man

one of them is completely abstinent we met at Mass... the other one is a little bit older about 10 to 15 years older than me and um he just got a divorce like a year ago

01:56:40
Key MomentNicole challenges Brian's self-rating of 6; Brian runs live poll — 75% vote Nicole is cuter

I think you said you rated yourself on the look scale a six but on a good day of 6.9... so are you a five or am I seven

01:58:12
Key MomentSelf-ratings round: Kiko revises down from her usual '10' to 5-6; Dan rates himself a solid 8 (highest male self-rating at the table)

um so you know I've had a lot of feedback in the recent months about my parents and I've been kind of taking a mental note... I'll give myself a nice like six maybe seven

02:03:00
QuoteKiko notes she has revised her self-rating down from 10 after reading comment feedback; describes getting zeros and tens in comments and averaging to 5-6

you've been convinced... well I mean you guys are telling me that it's not what I see myself as is what everyone else views me and they've given me their feedback so I've seen the feedback

02:27:00
QuoteDan explains that men need attraction advice and women need retention advice — a core distinction for his coaching

men need help attracting women women need help retaining men absolutely women need relationship advice men need attraction advice

02:39:00
ControversyMilan reveals she was arrested in Ojai, CA during the week before the episode after grabbing her phone back from a physically aggressive man she was dating

I was in jail you got you got arrested yeah I did for for grabbing my phone out of a guys hand who was assaulting me yes

04:39:15
QuoteKiko says this has been her favorite podcast episode she has appeared on

I have my favorite podcast episode I've been on yet has it it has this has been lovely

Topics Discussed

00:00:00
Guest Introductions

Brian introduces Kiko as co-host. All guests give names, ages, occupations. Brian then asks each guest their relationship status and longest relationship.

00:06:36
Jenna's 3 Baby Daddies and 4 Kids

Jenna reveals she has 4 kids by 3 different men. Timeline established: first child at 19, second at ~21 (didn't know she was pregnant and was dating a new man; original father has 5 kids with different mothers), third and fourth at ~22-23 with that man. She lost near-full custody due to jail history; rebuilding co-parenting. Bipolar 1 disclosed. Panel and Brian react. Discussion of impulsivity and how bipolar manifests.

00:24:30
Milan's Dating Two Men / Polygenism

Milan explains she is courting two men (Catholic/abstinent man from Mass, and a recently divorced older man). Both men know. She describes herself as polygenist (closed on her end, open on man's end). Panel discusses whether men actually want the woman to initiate commitment. Dan discusses how he 'told' Billy Ray they were in a relationship rather than asking.

01:36:30
Passport Bros Discussion

Discussion of the passport bros movement (men traveling abroad to find foreign women). Guests debate whether it is effective, whether foreign women also manipulate men, and whether it signals a legitimate protest flag to Western women. Dan argues it highlights that Western men are expected to be chivalrous without a clearly defined female equivalent duty.

01:45:00
Gender Roles, Chivalry, and Female Equivalent

Dan poses the question: if chivalry is the male duty, what is the female equivalent? Michaela/SPEAKER_02 references Proverbs 31. Kiko describes being a homemaker as her version of female chivalry. Milan discusses hypo-feminine vs. independent women as emerging camps. Dan discusses leadership in relationships as more nuanced than a dictatorship. Multiple women say they have been the dominant one in prior relationships and found it unsatisfying.

01:53:10
Gun Ownership Poll

Brian asks the panel: gun ownership in a partner — positive, negative, or neutral? All who respond say positive (with training/education caveats). Madison says positive. Priya says positive. Billy Ray says positive.

01:56:40
Nicole vs. Brian Looks Poll

Nicole (from pre-show notes) wanted to discuss Brian's self-rating of 6. She suggested she might be cuter than him. Brian runs a live stream poll — 75% vote Nicole is cuter. Discussion of objective beauty standards, facial symmetry, race and attractiveness studies. Brian suggests Kristin Kreuk and Ana de Armas as near-tens.

01:58:12
Self-Ratings Round

Brian pulls up a superchatter request for everyone to rate themselves 1-10. Kiko revised down from her usual '10' to 5-6 after processing negative feedback from her comment sections. Jenna: 6 (jokes she is a 10 on the reservation). Milan: 6. Madison: ~7 (6.5 without makeup, 8 on a good day). Nicole: 6.7 (consistent across 3 episodes). Billy Ray: 6.7 (consistent 3 episodes). Dan: solid 8 (highest male self-rating at table). Extensive debate about objective vs. subjective beauty standards. Brian: 6. Kiko noted this is the first time a man rated himself highest at the table.

02:39:00
Milan's Arrest Story

Milan reveals she was arrested in Ojai, CA in the days before the episode. The man she was dating (Phoenix/older man) became physically aggressive when she repeatedly refused him over 3 days. She grabbed her phone back while recording the incident; California domestic violence law required the responding officers to arrest her despite apologizing. They escorted her to safety afterward. The case is expected to be dropped due to her video evidence. She has since ended contact with that man.

02:48:00
Jonah Hill Boundary Discussion

Panel reacts to a post-show note Nicole wrote about the Jonah Hill text message controversy. Discussion of whether his demands were boundaries or control. Nicole argues they were controlling; Kiko says women should stop posting provocative photos when in a relationship. Dan discusses his texting approach with Billy Ray. Billy Ray discusses running content by Dan before posting. Panel discusses the difference between a boundary and manipulation.

03:13:00
Men Approaching Women Discussion

Panel discusses whether women like being approached by men at bars/clubs. Kiko says she dislikes it in general but has never been rude. Madison (SPEAKER_09) says positive if tasteful. Billy Ray says she avoided bars so rarely encountered it. Dan argues men approach because they have to — deficit model. Discussion of day game vs. bar approaches. Kiko notes her boyfriend approached her at her job.

05:19:35
Birth Control Discussion

Billy Ray announces she got off birth control this month. Dan and Billy Ray explain the research (book: Beyond the Pill) about birth control affecting immune-based mate selection and post-pill hormone changes. Billy Ray notes symptoms (breakouts, feeling more in tune with body). Kiko defends birth control for period regulation. Panel discusses whether recommending going off birth control on a show mostly watched by men is responsible.

05:30:00
After Show / Wrap-Up

Final thoughts from guests. Michaela encourages fellow Christian singles to use singleness season for God. Kiko recommends men get out of their routines and join social groups. Milan recommends men work on confidence and self-improvement. Priya acknowledges being too afraid to approach men and says she is working on it. Dan discusses the pheromone/birth control study and mate selection. Show wraps.

Transcript

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05:49:13
Billy Rayattention getting the conversation I know but I'm nervous okay I'm nervous what is the line that you said to me hey I'm not interrupting anything am I that's it so so
05:49:25
Billy RayDan and I were out in was it Philadelphia Boston Boston with his friends and his they were talking about how they can get girls
05:49:35
Billy Raynumbers and I was like I want to see how quickly you could get a girl's number I was encouraging my buddy to go get a girl's number he said no why don't you do it so I was I was like so his friends so you were like are you okay with that
05:49:46
Billy Rayand I was like yeah I want to see if you could get their number so I stayed back with his friends and he walked up to a group of girls and within like 45 seconds used that line
05:49:56
TTS Readerand got the number have you ever like done the same thing no Raven DT donated through the super chats after this I missed Latina's name because I tuned in
05:50:07
TTS Readera little late to pick up a guy hi I'm Jenny Ortega I thought you were really cute and I wanted to know if you would like to grab a coffee sometime either now or later if you're busy at the moment
05:50:28
Kikookay make it quick please well I've noticed when I was bartending and had to like I people man will be sitting at the bar and you know try to get yeah tips a joke about anything I know you don't want funny people but like you know say
05:50:39
Kikoyou're at a bar right and someone Falls or anything like just making a not super mean joke but like just making fun in something like just like real quickly not even having to say hi first like if
05:50:51
Kikoyou're you see someone maybe Sit Close to them if you can something happens and then just be like I don't know like get a load of this guy in my head but like that usually they really dig that and you can start a great conversation off
05:51:02
Brian Atlasof that and it can either go playtime yeah Kiko top performer of course black shirt at certain point you have to trust a woman but men vastly underestimate their ability to see red flags check for that
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Brian Atlassecond cell phone guys don't be tracking your woman or looking uh attract attract her socials like a p word probably okay thank you man appreciate it all right let me get through these we
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Brian Atlasdid this one correct all right this one or no yo Mr capitocio good to see you man in the chat this was arguably one of the most beautiful panel in a long time and
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Brian Atlasonly one of girl have any of you played Dungeons and Dragons just shove hands have you played the new movie is really good though she has over there okay there you have it
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Brian Atlasall right we have Ransom G here you all be blessed beyond belief to meet Rolo tomasi changing my life for the better but I have my issues too would love to see Billy Priya and Kiko meet him also Nicole did you like the rich Cooper
05:52:01
Brian Atlasinterview um well as far as uh Rolo actually we were going to have him on is that the old guy the show with Mike sartania uh but uh yeah maybe in the future you're
05:52:12
Nicolegonna have them on Tuesday yes yeah but he couldn't make it yeah Rich had me on um his podcast and I actually I liked it a lot which is great uh after your appearance here before after they saw me here and
05:52:25
Nicolesaid do you want to come and I said sure oh I liked being on the show rich rich is awesome yeah what did he talk to you about um oh gosh what did we talk about we talked about
05:52:36
Nicoleum we talked about monogamy versus polygamy we talked about marriage uh we talked about relationships yeah I was much more about like relationships like what are your
05:52:47
Nicoleviews on marriage uh what's a marriage Dynamic like how do you see that we talked about um girls trips whether we're pro or con girls trips or girls trips different
05:52:59
Nicolefrom guys trips we kind of went into all of it but I really enjoyed being on his show he's he is a good listener um and I I liked it I would go back I think I might be going back but okay it's cool we have Khaleesi McGuire with
05:53:11
Brian Atlasthe 25 hey thank you Glizzy McGuire we have Mike y who's that beautiful girl with the hat is that that's Madison over there just on every episode
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Brian Atlasand we have marquavis Martin there's a vicious rumor going around that priya's shirt is not actually so
05:53:34
Brian Atlasreal quick all right cool all right that's it for the super chats thank you guys appreciate appreciate it um all right we're gonna wrap up last call please hit the like button on your
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Brian Atlasway out uh as I previously mentioned we will be live again Tuesday at 7 pm Pacific with our next dating talk uh shout out to Brandon once again
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TTS ReaderTechnics donated twenty dollars be honest be direct and stop worrying about feelings they may not like it but it gets the point across communication will
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TTS Readerlead to successful relationships more than anything else when in doubt speak all peace out great panel Brian keep it up Alm I think that that's great advice when things need to be addressed thank
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