00:58:15Brian Atlasunderstand right California is a little it's a little more relaxed than all you uppity uppity people you got New Yorkers in California sorry how long have you
00:58:26Nicolelived in California it's a long time since I was five I was born and raised congratulations and I'm telling you flannel on the date plan on a dinner
00:58:39Nicoledate with sweatpants Brian oh it's just the pain
00:58:55TTS Readeryour watch comment goes over the head of most young datas you are absolutely right a nice watch reflects understanding of precision craftsmanship and reflects sophistication stick to
00:59:07Brian Atlasyour guns tell you what I'll show up to a date well-dressed when the majority of women don't show up to the date with a double-digit body count how about that you guys want to talk about being a gentleman y'all stop being so
00:59:19Brian Atlaspromiscuous I'll show up to the date dressed to the nines but here's the thing you've got like a long line of previous dicks it's miles and
00:59:30Brian Atlasmiles of dicks I'm not gonna show up where are the suit on the first date I'm wearing my sweatpants
00:59:39Priyadiabetic socks going on dates with those women behave like the person that you want to attract what do you think that's what he's trying to attack somebody's gonna take care of everything he's saying it's like
00:59:51Madisonevery girl that he's meeting oh hello you want a nurse Brian only dresses up for funerals
01:00:02Milanyou only have a funeral suit the nurses what's up um do you are you on dating apps no not at all no so how do you meet your women so I well okay
01:00:13Brian Atlashold on okay first off I was banned from Tinder and hinge because I was using it to try to get guests on the show
01:00:25Brian Atlasthen I got banned on hinge months ago because I was using it to get guests on the show we should find that out like because I the first message I would send I'd match with everybody I'd be like hey do you want to be on my podcast and I wasn't
01:00:38Brian Atlaseven genuinely trying to date anybody but listen some people think hey that's wrong a lot of women on on are on dating apps here's my Instagram here's my cash app
01:00:48Brian Atlashere's my Snapchat do you have a yacht oh my God I'm the one dude who's doing the reverse finesse on the dating app so
01:00:58Jennathe one the one and only what I heard that
01:01:06Brian Atlaswell okay there's obviously other dudes finessing I will not learn from the tinders Windler oh yeah yeah but see when oh yeah here's the difference though Tinder swindler he was still here
01:01:18Kikothey make documentaries they make documentaries about it one dude doing this women are doing that on the daily it's not one though we we brought it up on this there's this Facebook group that is common in a lot of big
01:01:30Kikoareas there is multiple the same guy yeah there's a magnitude of men who and I mean hey especially putting awareness no we should like awareness to this this like they do this on another level which
01:01:43Kikois like most of the time though I'm like how could you be so gullible like these women but like yeah there's women who will go on dates and they have no intention they get a free meal okay
01:01:52Kikothere are men who are scamming thousands thousands of dollars from women on these apps not it's not as common as the reverse I mean
01:02:05Kikooh like I want our date to be this concert I get a hook up on tickets through my company yeah just send me 300 for this or like a hotel room you have to be stupid right yeah yeah I'm not
01:02:17Kikosure but it does happen to men too who get scammed from women that way and when we say oh you have to be smarter than that it's like they're like okay don't blame the victim but like it happens to
01:02:28Milanwomen all the time too so it's like it's about frequency right it's like about which one is more common would you expect a man to try to finesse a woman out of money which is more is a bigger deal in a sense how could you assess
01:02:41Kikothat between genders when they're totally different what I'm saying my reason why I'm saying it is because the one that gets brought up with most women is the free meals a free meal okay maybe it was the most expensive was uh you took her to 100 steak dinner and she
01:02:53Kikoused to scams you out of it where the other side is men skimming hundreds of thousands of dollars I don't think that's right I don't think that's it the whole though what you just described
01:03:03Danwould require the most insane con to get her emotionally collected to get her to do whereas what you said before which is the 100 steak dinner there are women who
01:03:14Danwill make guys do that 10 to 20 times never sleep with them while simultaneously sleeping with other men very true a lot of them a lot of them so that's true so so what I'm saying is like
01:03:27Danfirst of all like what did we say earlier the amount of effort that men have to put in to get women to fall in love with them to the degree that they will just send them money for a concert like I know you guys said that they have to be super gullible and maybe a little
01:03:38Kikobit stupid but that man is like a master manipulator and there aren't a ton of those I will agree yeah it's not a ton but I mean it's more common than you think because I would I will be bored and scroll through I'm on multiple
01:03:51Kikodifferent ones in multiple cities and stuff and it's it's happening a lot more than we realize because there are people we know that there's men out there who have a trouble getting dates finding
01:04:04Kikoum women but there's also a lot of women who struggle immensely because of you know we say a lot of women all they are their looks or whatever so erroneous a lot of these women are it's a lot of women who are in their 30s who are
01:04:17Kikogetting a little bit older and feel like they're running out of time so they're willing to take bigger gambles when it comes to some of these things so okay I could say the same thing sob story to the men who get you know well
01:04:29TTS Readertricked out of the hundred dollar dinner hold on just a second Sticky Side down to Nature thank you brother 39 my analog watches are very important accessory it's color matched to one of my four
01:04:40TTS Readercars pre-adjust said behave like the person you want to attract I'm off to go buy some Safari clothes no flannel promise uh
01:04:57TTS Readerdo you accept the Safari offer um donated 100
01:05:08TTS ReaderKiko I'm gonna have to head down there and I will rain down an ungodly Firestorm upon you you're gonna have to call the every two Nations and get
01:05:18TTS Readera binding resolution to keep me from destroying you I am talking scorched turf
01:05:28Brian Atlasum Tropic Thunder so it's a copy paste that he's not actually gonna don't worry I know he's not actually hold on we have a chat here John Smith hey thank you man can you ask
01:05:39Brian Atlasthe girls if a guy owning a gun is a positive deal breaker or neutral P.S shout out to Kiko for being a good sport and coming back on the show definitely makes the show better to have people
01:05:49Brian Atlaswith different opinions word yeah um okay let me come back to that so uh owning a gun is it positive deal breaker or neutral let me let me come back
01:06:02Brian Atlasbecause let's just go around and get everybody to uh reveal the relationship status we haven't even finished it yet
01:06:09Michaelaoh my God uh at least okay go ahead okay I am single and um my
01:06:18Brian Atlaslongest relationship was two years how long have you been single since like April 1st so very beginning of April what a joke okay
01:06:28Priyaum how about you Priya um I'm happily married no I'm totally kidding um oh sorry well I didn't mean to press that okay you're a little late on them well I
01:06:40Brian Atlasdidn't even mean to press that but I was going to press that okay all right single uh yeah single have been so for almost a year longest
01:06:50Brian Atlasrelationship was five months five months and a lot of people have been in the TTS I'm assuming in the DMS too I've been they seem to like you quite a bit so you've gotten some proposals Maybe
01:07:06Brian Atlasnot like marriage proposals but like due to I just said I was happily married this guy is pretty
01:07:14Brian Atlaswhat DMS any he's asking for the tea all right
01:07:26Danum I'm sure there have been I haven't checked nor have I accepted anything that is a fundamental difference between men and women the idea that you can just like sit around and wait to check your DMs
01:07:37Priyabecause there are so many coming through so so well personally I'm I'm not truly all that interested in meeting somebody through the internet I got you
01:07:48Priyaum I have no trouble meeting people in person if I really want to so that's not something that I am too concerned about but I don't I don't particularly love the idea of meeting somebody through the internet and meeting up with them for
01:08:00Danthe first time in person the DM's thing is funny because even when a guy we want a girl slides into a guy's DMS she actually isn't she's really just like commenting hoping he notices her and he slides into her DMS because she was noticed
01:08:19Michaelathe average woman I mean like with me I only have like so many followers on Instagram and I don't have much I don't get DMs like I don't you know Define you don't get DMs like how frequently do you get a DM from a
01:08:33Danguy I've gotten this year probably one one okay and do you have a private Instagram no your public Instagram yeah I guess they're all already hitched in Alabama
01:08:45Michaeladid you check your spam yeah yeah you're talking about like the little the question I request thing because you might think you're not and then you hit that and you're like oh no
01:08:56Michaelathe only ones that like like the one that I got was like these old creepy men asking to be sugar daddies yeah gotcha that still counts nothing legit what is yours those men are also also scammers they're not always sugar
01:09:09Kikodaddies like all the time a lot of the time they're trying to scam you is right it's about 100 yeah yeah exactly I'm going to actually give you anything do you mind if I ask what your Instagram
01:09:21Michaelais like um it's just the typical like I don't post like super glamorous photos it's just me living life kind of posting that kind of stuff it's like anything
01:09:34Dananything that you would consider to be thirst trappy no anything that anybody would consider to be thirst trappy no okay I don't think so so so so like no bikinis no I have like a one piece on there
01:09:46Michaelawow it's the first time I've heard that answer in a long time I actually just bought my first bikini in like three years well so you're interested you're religious right yes I am yes you're Catholic is it or you're a Christian uh
01:09:59Michaelawell I think Catholic and Christians are the same thing but like they're they're part of the same umbrella but I'm Protestant okay got it so you are oh wait what the I screwed
01:10:11Brian Atlasup my notes Here uh are you waiting until marriage I am yes okay but so I'm not a virgin now okay so you're like what born again virgin
01:10:22Michaelayes yeah did you have like a crazy uh no phase when you were younger or just you had a boyfriend or I just my my boy my boyfriend your current wait my boyfriend your previous
01:10:34Brian AtlasPat that was the limit of that so okay you you hooked up with him you guys broke up now now you're waiting for marriage correct accidents
01:10:45TTS Readerappreciate it if any of you Senpai in sales in here call any females on dating advice go touch grass and lose weight no real man wants to take advice by a woman
01:10:56TTS Readerbeing Eiffel towered and claims to be born again kind of nonsense is that beaters fall for this notion b10s do you guys like looking at half of
01:11:07Brian AtlasKiko's face by the way awesome yeah it's fine yeah there you go but then I have to like every time I can go half of my head there we go
01:11:17Jennathat's fine it's fine you just okay all right um maybe I should try a different seat I just learned what the Eiffel Tower meant I don't know like I did yeah see I didn't either but it was super
01:11:31Jennaembarrassing because I was like no I gotta work tomorrow I can't go to the Eiffel Tower I'm not embarrassing no uh it is when you're talking about going to a gas station because you can't go to Paris
01:11:46Billy Rayone man I am in a relationship I don't yeah see and my longest relationship was about four years
01:11:57Danall right and uh I am also in a relationship uh my longest relationship was about four and a half years and if you guys
01:12:08Dando you guys are they're dating in case anybody didn't catch that okay how long have you guys been dating uh what do you want to tell the full story we've known each other for we've known each other for a little over two
01:12:20Danyears um we've been dating for probably about 16 17 months at this point yeah may I ask you a couple questions sure are you
01:12:30Nicoleare either of you religious uh I would say that I have refound my relationship with God yes and are you guys chased within your relationship or
01:12:39Nicoledo you have sex oh we have sex okay okay so your your Christian Protestant uh we both have been rediscovering okay so it was like
01:12:52Billy Raywent away okay and now you're rediscovering your face went away okay I have never been consistent with church and you guys are trying to be more consistent with church I have a follow-up question do you think can you
01:13:04Brian Atlasscoot your microphone back please and just do you guys okay keep going back okay
01:13:13Nicoleum do you guys think that at some point in your relationship you may choose to stop having sex for religious reasons no no okay yeah and actually so this is interesting so I I started kind of like
01:13:25Danrefunding my relationship with God I'm not a consistent churchgoer I certainly have grown to believe in him again I started to read the Bible a lot more um and I certainly like to live as
01:13:37Danthough God exists I am certainly not a like by the book you know doctrine-oriented Christian um but the reason I bring that up is to
01:13:47Dankind of go back to what you were saying earlier because you you said that you had this relatively strict guideline for the man that you're going to settle down with and that he has to be a religious
01:13:59Nicoleman right he doesn't need to be um well we can Define that more but I'm not strict about it I wouldn't mind if he's not religious but holds a lot of the
01:14:11Nicolelike General tenets and values that you would traditionally find in a religious man exactly what I was about to say yeah so I wouldn't mind if he isn't sure even what he thinks about God but a man who's
01:14:21Nicolenot religious can also be a godly man um on a natural level and that to me is very attractive in terms of the morals yeah morals values you no
01:14:32Nicoleand there are Christian men who are not nearly as great as some of those non-Christian men right um so it's it's not yeah I'll pause there but I want you guys to talk about I hope you guys get married I like you
01:14:44Michaelaguys I think there's definitely a big difference between a man of God and people who do claim that they're Christians um because you can be a Christian and
01:14:55Michaelanot follow the book right like a me personally I feel like a man of God is somebody who does follow the book and I feel like there's two in the dating sphere there's
01:15:06MichaelaI've been with somebody who claims that they're a Christian right and claims that they have those values but in reality it was just too I would say baits but like
01:15:17Danoh those guys exist yeah they're called they're called nice guys yes we have a big issue with those I do not like nice guys they're dangerous chat before you explode there's a difference between a
01:15:29Dannice guy and a good guy at least by the way that I Define it I'm not saying that if you're a good hearted treat women kindly guy chivalrous guy that you're
01:15:40Dannot doing the right you're talking about but there is a and we can get into this more if if we really want to but I think that there is a certain there's
01:15:51Dana certain type of there's a certain type of you know man who has the ability to be hyper hyper Chevrolet hyper kind very sweet very loving very caring very compassionate
01:16:03Danvery empathetic who simultaneously is not a okay like he has the ability to put his foot down he has the ability to set boundaries he has the ability to stand by those boundaries and be willing
01:16:14Danto walk away if those boundaries are not respected that is what a good man does okay it doesn't just because you're not a nice guy does not mean that you're a toxic individual okay there's a huge difference between toxicity and like in
01:16:26Danfact a lot of the nice guys are pretty freaking toxic because they will literally lie to you and they're manipulative they're they are they are agreeable dishonestly okay that's what Jordan Peterson would say he'd say that
01:16:38TTS Readerthose guys are hyper agreeable they don't know how to disagree or confront moralistically right awesome loose energy donated 99
01:16:50TTS Readerstore Ariana Grande would you smashed the hottest trans man in the world or the oldest man in the world quit
01:17:02Kikoum the oldest man in the world is probably upwards of 120 at this point we've been surviving pretty long these days especially in like eight like in Asian
01:17:13Kikocountries so I'm I mean I'm happily in a relationship plan to marry this man but um if I had to choose I guess I would go with the hottest trans man in the world yeah I don't even know if the old guy
01:17:25Kikocould get it up anymore that's I I just feel like that's I feel like it's like it's it's not illegal but it should be illegal you know what I mean like at the far end of the spectrum like that just
01:17:37Kikodoes it like I feel like that might take old man out I'd be asking questions it might be the last thing that guy's got some wealth that you're trying to go after it might be the last thing he does
01:17:49Kikowhich one are you going for children the hottest trans man why would I okay
01:18:00Kikoversus the old old man in the world like those people like the oldest people living literally look like half alive mummies yes like they basically look mummified like that's
01:18:11Brian Atlaswell you're you're bi right I've been I don't know I've been but you've been you've been with women before is it I don't know queer no it's not because I was
01:18:23Kikobut you've hooked up with women I have yeah but I haven't dated a woman since I was in high school okay and I don't think I would I even if I was
01:18:34Brian Atlassingle happily single I don't think I would ever pursue that so I don't know okay uh LP thank you very much for your TTS man much appreciated um
01:18:47Brian AtlasI don't know if we have much else to say on that specific topic would you smash the hotness man yeah I thought that was directed that was just for Kiko so uh thank you man appreciate it we did have one that came
01:18:58Brian Atlasin it was about the gun stuff and then we were talking a little bit about the did you have more on the nice guy versus good guy no I think I wrapped that up we can get back to it later oh I was gonna ask for you two and then we will get to
01:19:10Brian Atlasthe gun thing real quick uh how did you guys meet
01:19:15Billy Rayand we would have never met if it wasn't for him so I'm very Pro dating apps I know a lot of people aren't um but we didn't live in the same area I do
01:19:26TTS Readernot go out I have lots of clubs I don't party since co-donated 100 Billy Ray love you thank you not too long ago I was dating a lefty feminist
01:19:37TTS Readermade me feel weak watching your Clips made me realize it was normal to set boundaries and expectations of her now I'm happily single and focused on my
01:19:47Brian Atlasmission Air Force Ranger to be let's answer that and thank you for your service yo Cena thank you very much for your TTS very much appreciated yeah Billy has some awesome content so uh be sure to check it out
01:20:00Billy Rayum yeah we're going to talk about the apps oh the apps yeah we would have never met if it wasn't for hinge um I don't go out I don't party I don't go out to clubs so we would have never connected so I
01:20:12Danthink it they can be they could be used in the right way they need to be used properly with intention um I um I can see why people don't want to be on them I have I actually I was on sorry I'm
01:20:24Billy Raygonna forget my thought if I don't say it I was on dating apps for years and went on I think three total dates and all of those dates resulted in
01:20:36Billy Raymy one relationship that I was in for four years another relationship that didn't last too long only a few months and nailed down and for me the way that I used apps and
01:20:48DanI think that this is how I would incur I told you in sales as sort of my full-time career alongside as I'm growing the dating business um the uh I'm I really would use dating
01:20:59Danapps sort of as like call it like sales pipeline like basically you get in you get a couple of matches party Foul over here yeah you you
01:21:09Danwe're good huh yeah okay you whichever girls you know actually like take an interest and respond to you the best conversations result in numbers so like I would over the course of maybe like a week or two maybe get like two or three
01:21:23Dannumbers then like one of those conversations is just gonna kind of die it's not gonna work I might go on two dates like and I I rarely took girl I I did take her out to dinner but I rarely would take girls out to dinner I'd usually just do coffee
01:21:35Danlike let's go for walks get a coffee low barrier to entry I'll pay that kind of thing um and I would like one of those people more than the other I would say sorry to the other and try to date the other one so like it's not one of these things where I kept going back to the well
01:21:48Danbecause I was like what's next what's next like you can you can shut that off if you want to um and the other thing that I think is kind of cool about the apps like she said we wouldn't have really met if we
01:22:00Danwere on the apps the other thing that's interesting about us when I say we have zero shared interests I mean like zero shared interests um but our values completely align and that is I mean it took me dating her to
01:22:13Milanrealize how much more important that is than like you both wanting to go like do the same thing during today like I said I grew up Protestant and then I had my little College phase
01:22:24Milanum and then I like I returned back to the Catholic Church actually I also went to Catholic private school growing up um so yeah I can really relate to like wanting to
01:22:35Milanfind I don't know I struggle with dating apps a lot in general because I find like especially where I live in New York especially Brooklyn a lot of the guys have that facade you're talking about
01:22:46Milanthis like super feminist cool chill facade gonna be super sweet too whatever and then like when it comes down to like building a foundation and like actually establishing values that was never something that I entertained until I
01:22:59Brian Atlasstarted going back to the church and realizing how important it was it turns out they just want sex and once they don't get it for a certain period of time they start showing their true colors yep absolutely but I mean don't you think there's some component of this whole nice guy thing I mean certainly
01:23:11Brian Atlasthere are guys that uh sort of play nice but then they got they get salty when the girl curves them whatever I get that but there is
01:23:22Brian Atlascertainly something to be said about you know there are women out there who overlook some men who actually are good guys to chase after the bad boys the jerks the
01:23:34Brian Atlasyou know the you often hear women complain about oh I didn't feel the vibe with him I didn't feel even though every other single metric is this guy he's he's perfectly Pleasant he's got his life together
01:23:47Brian Atlaset cetera et cetera and then they go chase after some scumbag or they're chasing after you know whoever it may be or a guy who is able to elicit the vibe and
01:23:58Danwhether that sometimes comes down to he's kind of being kind of a dick you have to be willing to sorry you have to be willing to sort not quote JP again you have to
01:24:10Danrisk being offensive in order to stimulate somebody like that like uh you have to figure out like when girls talk about the vibe it really just means that you're communicating in a very indirect
01:24:22Danway with them and then you're figuring out when to to speak to them directly like a man that's all I have butterflies is that no the vibe is like when you have a flow like girls are very flowy with the way that they talk it's like
01:24:33Danit's it's about a bunch of different things yeah like guys are more just like hey you want to get a coffee yeah sure what time okay where okay cool see you there like that's how guys communicate and there's a right and wrong time for
01:24:45Danyou to speak to a woman that way like girls love it when they're just like hey like I got us a reservation here meet me here at seven o'clock sound good cool but if he talked to you like that all the time you'd be like who the hell is
01:24:56Danthis robot right so this whole vibeye thing guys who are too nice they don't want to say something that they think could potentially be taken the wrong way
01:25:07Danor could put the girl off and guys who are experienced with with game and with having these conversations even if they do sense that maybe they put her off they still have the ability to kind of like tap around the shoulder be like hey like I was just kidding like and then
01:25:20Danyou can kind of like Revitalize it or you go to the bathroom you come back and you're just like hey I could tell that you're like you needed a second after that comment I just wanted to give you that second like and a lot of times they'll laugh I'll be like I was just joking with you like guy that recovery
01:25:32Danskill is a difficult one to master that's why dating coaches exist you have to like teach guys like it's okay you can make up for it you can't be like super gun shy otherwise you're never going to stimulate anybody yeah you're
01:25:45Productionkind of describing my boyfriend a lot he's a but in the most lovable way there you go uh let's get through a couple chats here uh Nick if you're able to pull up our
01:25:55Brian Atlastwitch really quick guys go to twitch.tv slash whatever drop us a follow in the prime sub if you have one twitch.tv slash whatever uh oh uh
01:26:08Brian Atlaspadasso wow that's a long message just uh for the we for bits we don't really do it through twitch uh you have to do it either through YouTube or streamlabs thank you though really appreciate the support either way um thank you guys for the Prime Dark
01:26:21Brian Atlasmind thing for the prime my curse thing for the prime quants thing for the prime Edwin and chill thank you for the prime uh also we are stream we are simulcasting this on Twitch right or
01:26:30Brian Atlasexcuse me on kik.com right now too so uh this is our first stream ever on Kick we just figured hey why not um so kick.com whatever if you guys are on Kik I guess
01:26:42Brian Atlasum drop us a follow there I guess um but thank you guys for the primes twitch.tv whatever drop awesome follows and some primes and then we have and I will get to the the TTS that we
01:26:54Kikohad before uh let me here let me do this one yo Taylor Wilson thank you man Kiko what do you think about Destiny um I think Destiny is very educated and
01:27:06Kikoa great debater um he's one of the few I've seen in the space that doesn't just take what people say like he will literally stop everything and look it up like he has the facts to back up his point he's also
01:27:19Kikoreally good at hearing out the other side and not just talking over them I just discovered who Destiny was like a couple weeks ago um yeah after he was on here I saw some things and I've been watching a few of
01:27:31Kikohis videos um but yeah I think he's a great debater um yeah I don't know him like that Martin yo Martin good to see you man Brian what
01:27:43TTS Readerare you doing throwing that passive aggressive flannel written keep it up and see if I save you from the next shark attack priamai peer let me know
01:27:52TTS Readeryou emailed being too busy to respond but I will soon don't embarrass us tonight
01:28:05Brian Atlasmarquavis Martin um he actually uh he might be down to go on the Safari with you and he's quite skilled he's quite Adept at protecting
01:28:15Brian Atlaspeople from wild animals since he's protected me baby's name from a while
01:28:20Brian Atlasnow wait what her baby's name markovius Madison had uh indiscretion so that is
01:28:31Brian Atlasmarkovius JR yes there was an indiscretion many months ago sour spot it's a dark cloud over the
01:28:40Brian Atlaspodcast talking about it anymore um so markovius uh he's been retired are you done going Safari with marquavius Martin
01:28:52Brian Atlascome on throw them away see how girls have a hard time saying no it's like nice guys oh hey Bender I have a joke to tell it may be a bit offensive how did God create
01:29:03Brian Atlaswomen he tore the uh off a sinner's body oh a pee okay the man screamed so loud his voice became
01:29:14Brian Atlasfeminine the hole that was left behind became the the V and the balls were glued to the chest yo Bender thank you for that appreciate it um
01:29:24Brian Atlasyeah the TTS I guess doesn't trigger if you use certain I mean I'm still like don't joke thank you Bender that was a joke should have a punch line like what's the punch line maybe there's a part two to it I guess we'll send
01:29:37Kikoanother TTS and we'll find out oh wow okay put it in some work okay I love a good I love a good offensive joke I really do but like that just
01:29:49Brian Atlaswasn't funny just didn't okay all right I didn't do it for you so wait Priya do you accept marquavius Martin's Safari invitation
01:29:57Brian Atlaswhat like they can horse ride together I'm busy yeah I'll put in a good word I'll put in a good word Mark Cuevas all right we have
01:30:10Brian AtlasJason town with Brian this is why there are past this is why they're there is wait there are is that Grandma
01:30:20Brian Atlasuh 45 to 50 women ages 30 and older will be single by 2030 Brian what do you in the panel by the way it's with an i how dare you Jason uh what do you and the panel think about the passport bro and do you and the panel agree with the
01:30:33Brian Atlaspassport for a movement uh me personally I'm I think it's cool um I think if you are go to where you're appreciated and if you're a guy and you're in the west and
01:30:44Brian Atlasyou cannot find eligible uh partner that's going to appreciate you here in the west then and you can find that in
01:30:54Brian AtlasLatin America southeast Asia wherever it may be Eastern Europe go for it can you kind of elaborate on passport Bros well passport Pros basically uh it's men who are
01:31:06Brian Atlasdissatisfied with the women in the local environment so typically you find them in Western countries so the United States other Western countries probably UK
01:31:17Brian AtlasAustralia and just Western countries that are probably like a little more values different values starting to go a bit woke and like yeah so so they'll often go to Latin America
01:31:29Brian Atlasthey'll often go to so it's like Thailand or Vietnam or just various Colombians different countries is that what you're talking about no well not necessarily but but where where
01:31:40Brian Atlasthe perception is is that in these countries women are more traditional they're more feminine Etc et cetera and so they're they're moving there and I think one interesting thing is um
01:31:52Brian Atlasmen from other countries so we have men from Western countries in the U.S that are going to these other countries to find women but there's no men from other countries coming to the U.S clamoring to
01:32:04Milanget with American women so um I just like to add in terms of the passport Pro movement I would encourage men to be careful um because like as a western man I mean I've seen it before I've had friends
01:32:16Milanthat are like passport Pros or whatever I've dated passport Pros before and um I kind of noticed that they have a tendency to be more uh effed over if you will or used for their money uh but
01:32:29Milanusually if they're coming from Western societies to have a passport citizenship stuff like that I would urge men to be careful and not to just think that the world is kind of their playground although I would not judge them for wanting to go to a different country to find a woman of different value you
01:32:41Kikoshould be careful here as well yeah absolutely no absolutely of course I mean that goes without saying right 50 divorce rate so I know I've seen the videos like of passport Bros coming out and being like Oh I got duped like I got
01:32:55NicoleI don't know if anyone here personally knows them I know three and none of them have a great ending I'm not saying I'm against it but I do think there is
01:33:07Nicoleum there's a little more to it I think than it seems on the surface and I'm only speaking anecdotally I'm sure a lot of men have gone and found wonderful women
01:33:17NicoleI think that's great if the women here aren't satisfactory to them go um but it is not all sunshine and rainbows going to another country and finding a woman
01:33:29Brian Atlasyeah I mean I don't think uh I don't think the whole passport Pros thing it's like wow this is just gonna you know there's certainly room for things to not work out
01:33:39NicoleI mean well but but I mean the passport like one that I know went to South America found a woman brought dated her for a while brought her back here and then as soon as she could divorce him
01:33:51Nicoleshe did got her citizenship so then so he went back to South America he's currently there and he will not leave the country because he's like I know that the woman will leave me if I take
01:34:03Nicoleher to America so the thing that men need to understand is by all means go like go and do that but if they're under the impression that those women don't
01:34:13Nicolesee them as a resource and even more of a resource than the average American woman yes they just need to know that and if they're okay with the sex money exchange and being seen as a resource
01:34:25Nicoleand that's not all women and it's not all men but I also know one who's here he's in his 70s now like he was one of the first passport Bros and he has a wife who's like 30 years younger than him she waits
01:34:37Nicoleon him hand and foot does all the things I mean she's a servant to him ultimately she's waiting for him to die so she can have his house have his money does she love him yes are they in Love no but that's an option if that's
01:34:50TTS Readersomething they're into I want to touch it 100 thank you David Brown if you can call him beget was passport bro from 90 Day Fiance that's why I'm super confused
01:35:03Kikowhen like I first heard about passport Bros because like growing up all I ever really knew about like those relationships was like from what I've seen a 90-day fiance where it's like not even just with a man coming from America
01:35:14Kikoeven like when it's woman sometimes and men from other countries it's usually so obvious that they're just trying to either get a Visa or get some money that's why I was like surprised when I heard that
01:35:26Milanit was like not for those reasons um like I don't well I think it could be toxic when it's mixed with red pill rhetoric so like you have the the passport Bros kind of fall
01:35:38Milanunder like this red pill movement and I think that like the red pill movement a lot of the times say like you know get as much money as you can be successful be a high value man and that also includes providing for women and so when
01:35:49Milanyou combine the that uh philosophy or that value system of provisioning for women and then you combine that with being a passport bro you're more likely and more inclined to get screwed over
01:35:58Brian Atlasand that's my concern go ahead Brian oh well as far I mean certainly uh these men who are passport Pros can certainly be preyed upon and some of
01:36:10Brian Atlasthese women certainly may be predatory however I'm sure there's in the same way that there's men who are getting uh you know screwed over or it's a very transactional relationship I'm sure
01:36:20Brian Atlasthere's also women in these countries that are happy to actually have a genuine relationship with these men so I mean and also a lot of these men um
01:36:32Brian Atlassome of them might bring the women back here but a lot of them are expats and they're just going to live in that's true Thailand or the Philippines or whatever it is and it's probably they've just moved there and it's much
01:36:45Brian Atlasmore women women really don't I don't think women travel passport guys I don't think that's a thing I mean maybe well I mean like because I've
01:36:57Jennaheard of obviously like bringing younger men here like older women you know what I mean getting younger pretty rare yeah I suspect but um oh sorry hold on just
01:37:06TTS ReaderMountain donated 100 Madison is an amazing mother the reason we broke up is that I'm a white man so you can imagine
01:37:15TTS Readerthe issue pre of hands to God Ione and peo that helps dogs and horses if I'm not the one there is no one we'll see what you think after I'm on the post oh
01:37:27Priyais Mark wavy is finally going to come on the podcast Martin Come on the podcast come on the podcast where you can revisit this live date free and Martin
01:37:34Brian Atlasthere you go he is a destiny commentates he is a Mensa member in Priya If he if he fully funded your horse dreams that's
01:37:46Priyanot something that's necessarily important to me you can you can have seven horses
01:37:54Brian Atlasseven horses he will pay for them there will be remember it's a beautiful number the the there's a stables you'll have
01:38:04Priyastables at your house it'll be a ranch is that I'll probably be able to pay for that myself I'm not I'm not too concerned with that but okay
01:38:15PriyaI mean would it would it be nice sure but I'm that's not a deciding factor in who I seek out for a partner okay all right well there you go all right uh did you have something on the passport
01:38:26Danbuildings yeah I think and it's going to result in me kind of posing a push into the panel here I I think what I can appreciate about passport Pros is
01:38:36DanI think it's an effective like flag being raised for Western women as well like I'm not I'm not necessarily saying that they're going to find someone I'm not saying that they're not going to get screwed over I'm not even necessarily
01:38:49Dansaying that I would encourage men to go do it like you said if you want to cool go do it um I do think though that the motivation for it is the fact that men are still expected to act very traditionally
01:39:02Danthey're expected to be very chivalrous they're expected you know to be protectors maybe they're not expected to provide to the same extent now that women can essentially match them on income up to basically a certain point
01:39:14Danwhere maybe Men start to be willing to negotiate harder as they get older maybe women decide to settle down and be mothers to put a sort of halt in their career talk about that right but men don't need to be as strict of provisioners the way that they used to
01:39:28Danbe but they still need to be protectors they still need to take care of you they still are expected to do things like Open Your Door give the jacket uh like when you're cold things like that but if
01:39:39Danthat's what the male if that's what a man's duty to you is to be chivalrous it's very very Loosely defined what a woman's absolutely man is it's very ambiguous and that is why I think they go to places where they are actually
01:39:51Dantaught from a young age how to treat a man what is your duty to a man and whether you want to talk about in in the context of the word submission which I know that a lot of girls don't like me and her use the word deference instead of submission sounds a little bit better
01:40:04Danit's like she wants to defer to her man a little bit more than he defers to her which is essentially submitting um but I would love to know what you guys think what if men have those duties
01:40:15Michaelato you and that's an expected Duty what do you think your duty to men is I think that's the importance of having for me personally having my identity with God and because in the Bible it lays out
01:40:28Michaelawhat a woman should be in proverb 31 31 actually read that today yes and it's beautiful you know it's it's nothing that holds women back and it's said it like you embrace
01:40:39Michaelayour natural state you know it's like you thrive the most in this setting and so I feel like if I mean all I feel like all women can Thrive most when they have a
01:40:50Milanrelationship with God so that's my stance anybody else yeah I don't agree with that they have to have a relationship with God um could you could you repeat the question well I said what do I think about deference or submission well not necessarily what is the female
01:41:02Danequivalent of chivalry yeah yeah if men have a duty to you and we sort of Define that Duty as chivalry this concept right what would be the female version of Shuffle what would a female duty to a man look I say to due to fourth wave
01:41:14Milanfeminism like it's become so amorphous like but I would say that we're probably going to see a division of like women that are hypo feminine
01:41:23TTS ReaderBend to the offender donated 99 I will admit that my joke was not funny Brian you should have had Chase on today so we could have did he call vs Chase round three see like that was funny
01:41:36Brian Atlasthat was better we're making progress I'm really proud of you is that offensive in some like but could be conceivably no
01:41:46Brian Atlaslike because the original things the original thing that got me and Chase cracking up on the show with gorlock was the Diddy Kong comment so let
01:42:01Danskated because you just because now you said gorlock what anyways I think that's nobody knows nobody remembers out he has fans he's just trying to make
01:42:14Brian Atlassure they all know who he's talking about I'm just that's think thank you for the thing you're thinking anything yeah that's good anyways I could answer the question yo but okay
01:42:26Brian Atlasis it conceivably offensive for someone to say that you look like Diddy Kong from Mario Kart racing well I mean it's not a compliment no no but like is it like racist uh you know I never was thinking that deep on
01:42:40Danit because I don't want to really play that card if it's not okay not um okay I I really uh yeah but I don't see it at the same time actually I think half of his face is
01:42:52Brian Atlaslighter than the other that's why also pretty accurate that's why I'm like you know I'm like it's like a mix maybe maybe I give titty talk that's fine I think I think round three would be good
01:43:04KikoI think round three would be good we could talk about it um I think that the it's in the world the compare or what is yeah I am kind of I wouldn't say old school because it'll Tear Me Apart
01:43:17Kikothat's why I feel like you have to please say old school go deep on that it's because you know you look at me I have tattoos whatever so I won't I've not not a virgin wait until marriage so you wouldn't call me a traditional woman
01:43:28Kikobut that's why I found a man and of the same level of traditional if you will but like for me I think the the woman side
01:43:40Kikoof men chivalry is being a homemaker I do agree with that I enjoy cleaning up the house I enjoy doing my laundry for us I enjoy making our meals but at that same
01:43:52Kikotoken since I am still working we're both working if there is a day that I don't feel like cooking or doing one of those things he has no problem picking up that slack but I feel like overall on
01:44:02Kikothe day-to-day it is my job whereas his job is to provide me with um protection and other things that you listed she is absolutely the nurturer in
01:44:13Danour relationship but when she was sick with the flu I wasn't gonna leave her to nurture herself okay all right yeah I know so I can appreciate that like if it's 90 of the time sure but I would
01:44:24Kikohope he's there for me doesn't mind doing those duties if it's you know for a reason not just because I feel like off and doing sorry I feel like doing nothing but yeah would you consider your man to be the leader in the relationship yes yeah that's an
01:44:37Milaninteresting one too I wouldn't want to be with a man who's not the leader actually before I pose that question I like that I want to let other people I was actually talking before when you were talking like uh like the like women
01:44:49Milannowadays and like what their role is I think you're gonna find like uh three different subsections of women like women that are maintain that hyper femininity that like find that masculine man and they both like complement each other in terms of their gender roles
01:45:01Milanthen you're going to have women kind of like Kiko kind of like me that like aspects of traditionalism and want to adopt those and can respect that and under understand the balance between men and women and then you're going to have
01:45:12Milanwomen that are like nope I'm gonna pay I'm an independent woman I don't need no man I think that's like where we're going you're gonna have like three divisions of women and I think that's actually in the beginning works of men too like that that's happening there's
01:45:25Milanmen's movement right now I mean red pill movement like uh Myron fresh from fresh and bit all of those big names um it's that they were there I feel like we're on the precipice of like men also
01:45:37Dandividing and figuring out hang on do I have to fulfill this role as a chivalrous man or yes can I and that I think that's a very very scary proposition because I think that could make it harder yes than it already is I
01:45:48Dankind of like the fact that men have this expectation and women are having to sort of figure out what the expectation is of them I do not want to see there be a divide in men as well I think that's
01:46:00Dangoing to spell out a lot of trouble because fundament and you know this as a psychologist right we are very different and a lot of times when women say that they are looking for they are not actually looking for and if
01:46:11DanMen start to become more feminine and adopt those feminine roles like women are not going the women who think that they want to be the leaders in the masculine ones aren't going to be attracted to those men no and I'm just
01:46:23Priyagoing to say this right now every single person that or sorry couple that I know that have a relationship where the woman is the more dominant person in the relationship it never works out every single couple that I've known to have
01:46:35Priyathat sort of dynamic has either broken up in a very messy divorce or something of that sort I'm not saying that it can't work but I don't think that it's the majority of those types of relationships let's let's go around the
01:46:46Brian Atlastable on that sure has anybody here any of the women here been more so the as you would put it what the leader in the relationship or the more dominant one is that the phrasing you use yeah so
01:46:57Milanany women here who have been kind of more the leader the dominant one in the relationship drove me to Hell drove me crazy I wanted to leave it was horrible you you raised your hand too anybody someone else raised their hand too I
01:47:10Brian Atlasthink it actually was yeah just with yours really quick sure it drove you to hell yeah now was it was it because he was lacking in some way or maybe it was
01:47:20Brian Atlasa combination but could it have also been like oh you perhaps in your past we're more you wanted to or at least you thought you wanted to be that way I thought I
01:47:32Milanwanted to be that way okay I don't necessarily I've had three monogamous relationships in my life they were all so sweet so kind treated me like a princess but
01:47:43Milanessentially the masculinity was lacking like big there was no leadership there was no direction I had to fulfill the nurturing role and then the planning role and there was no there was no
01:47:55Milanestablishment of like what our roles were but at the time I was like gender role was like whatever like that's just lame anyways like we just need to you know just work it out and
01:48:05MilanI really did not want to come to the conclusion that what I was actually looking for was not at all what I was taught that I actually wanted
01:48:17Billy Raywhat's the question what's the question I can answer the question I don't think people would expect me to have been in a relationship where I was the dominant one
01:48:25Billy Rayum but I was in a relationship where there there was a man that was more dominant than me who was the leader and then I I ended up um
01:48:37Billy Raygetting a random career on social media that just kind of took off and it shifted to this Dynamic where I was making all the decisions and I was handling the money and it just um it's it's not a
01:48:49Billy Raypositive situation to be in and I just grew very resentful when I was the one left having to make all of those decisions so that's why it didn't work out it wasn't because you know he wasn't a good person it was just when those
01:49:01Danroles are reversed it just doesn't seem to work two things um actually first someone actually responded to one of your q and A's earlier and you talked about you gave a
01:49:12Danreally really interesting response about the struggle between being a modern day Woman versus being the type of woman who can like truly attract and retain a man like how can you have a career how can you pursue something be independent
01:49:25Danuntil you have a man protect yourself in case that man does something that makes you want to leave yes and do you want to share kind of like what your thoughts on that were sort of like the flipping the switch yeah um we obviously are in a society where
01:49:40Billy Raypeople in the relationship do have to work in some situations I mean it's not possible for every single couple to have a stay-at-home mom and a housemaker like a homemaker it's just not possible nowadays
01:49:52Billy Rayum so I was saying in those situations the woman has to be able to come home and not be the boss babe anymore she has to know how to turn that switch off for it to be able to work
01:50:03Billy Raybecause yes there are women that have thriving careers but if she knows how to flip that switch then that's the way that it and something that you said you said the first thing she has to do is recognize the things
01:50:14Danthat help her be successful yes or not they are often not the same things that will help you retain attraction from a man yeah I think that's super important and the other thing that I like to talk
01:50:25Danabout with regards to me and her because me and her like I think we would say that she would identify me as the leader of the relationship but I'd be interesting
01:50:37Danto hear your guys take on what you think leadership is because I think when people think about leadership they think like a dictatorship where it's like do as I say leadership if any of you have ever
01:50:48Danworked for or been around a good leader a good leader is the person who is really just willing to put their head on the line because no one else is willing to they're willing they're the ambitious one they're the one with the you said
01:50:59Danplanning more so than planning it's like I have an idea of a risk that we can take I have a path that I think we can get there what do you think about this plant and now it's on I do this with her
01:51:10Danall the time we've talked about ways to potentially you know grow her brand that I'm now a part of right and I got my own thing as well but like we've had to make some decisions about you know what can we do can we do we
01:51:22Danhave to cut back on certain things do we need to focus on certain content do we need to say no to Brand deals in order to not like flood you know feeds with just like products and make sure that like fans aren't going to be decided the brains of the operation right like there
01:51:35Danare like little decisions that you make but you know if I offer up an idea like that like I'm not expecting her to be like yes sir I'm expecting her to look at me and think to herself like what is you
01:51:48Danknow here are my concerns what are your thoughts and those concerns right right um like there are I think that leadership is a much much more nuanced thing than people give it credit for so I'm wondering what you guys think about
01:52:00Brian Atlasthat and what you think about a man's leadership let's just come back to that let's come back to that a little bit later I do need to get through a couple things here first
01:52:12Brian Atlasum Okay so I do need to touch on the gun thing so it was is it a deal breaker hold on let me see the positive negative or neutral
01:52:24Brian Atlasas a man owned again yeah yeah so uh when it comes to gun ownership positive deal breaker or neutral if a partner owns
01:52:34Madisonnine times out of ten positive for me positive just a reminder speak into your mic please guys neutral reposit positive I would say positive I'd like to feel protected but as long as you're using
01:52:47Madisonthat gun in the right ways then absolutely right neutral to positive is this the gun yeah positive
01:52:57PriyaAlabama I think it's a big positive as long as you educate yourself and know how to use the firearm correctly and safely
01:53:07Billy RayI would say positive as long as you're trained and it's not just an accessory
01:53:14Brian Atlasthat was only two oh yeah that's true that's true okay I would say positive all right uh so some of you so graciously provided some uh pre-show notes here so we're gonna
01:53:27Brian Atlasreact I'm sorry not react we're going to uh address some of the pre-show notes that you guys provided to us uh Nicole since you're returning
01:53:37Brian Atlasum you said in a message to us you said you wanted to discuss Brian's status as a six what did you mean by that well F so
01:53:48Nicolethis is only my second time on the show but then I saw I think it was the next show maybe that Tuesday I had never heard the men rate themselves I always see the women rating themselves and I
01:53:59Nicolethink you said you rated yourself on the look scale a six but on a good day of 6.9 yeah I mean that's kind of just like a humorous thing I say but yeah but like I feel like I'm a six but I might be a
01:54:11Nicolelittle cuter than you so are you a five or am I seven I think are you a five or am I a seven or are we the same cute
01:54:21Brian Atlasyou think you're okay no no I think I'm a six you think I'm a six and your assessment of my physical attractiveness is less than yours
01:54:31Brian AtlasI think there's an age discrepancy there is in ages but if I and men and women they're big yeah I understand that relationship I thought we were just
01:54:41Nicoletalking physical looks oh so disregarding age disregarding age this looks I didn't well what was your scale on what do you mean you're six I thought it was purely
01:54:53Brian AtlasI thought yeah I give myself like a six okay I'm that's fair given the metrics and look some women might think I'm lower some might think I'm seven whatever it may be in any case
01:55:03Brian Atlasum my self-assessment is I'm like I'm above average height I'm six one
01:55:13Brian Atlasfull head of hair blue eyes solid beard I couldn't you know uh I'm not overweight so I would say that that puts me at
01:55:22Priyaslightly above average and the six okay that's fair I am sales I also think that the like the scale looks a lot different from men to