RAGEQUIT KEEKO Returns! She Has 3 Baby Daddies?! | Dating Talk #88

Date: 2023-07-31

Duration: 5h 55m

Guests

Brian Atlas

MMadison (DT94)>

NNicole (DT88)>

MMichaela (DT88)>

PPriya (DT102)>

BBilly Ray (DT101)>

DDan (DM Dating)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Dan(guest)

SPEAKER_02Michaela(guest)

SPEAKER_03Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_04Milan(guest)

SPEAKER_05Nicole(guest)

SPEAKER_06Jenna(guest)

SPEAKER_07Production(audience)

SPEAKER_08Kiko(guest)

SPEAKER_09Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_10Priya(guest)

SPEAKER_11Billy Ray(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian introduces Kiko as co-host and all guests introduce themselves with name/age/occupation

“I am your host Brian Atlas I'm joined by my co-host Kiki she's a bit shy”

OtherJenna reveals she has 4 kids by 3 different men; panel and Brian react with surprise

“I have three baby daddies three... um two from one and then one from see this is where it gets really confusing”

OtherJenna discloses she is Bipolar 1, diagnosed at 17; explains the difference between type 1 and type 2

“I have a mental illness um I am bipolar one”

Key MomentMilan explains she is simultaneously courting a Catholic abstinent man from Mass and a recently divorced older man; panel debates whether she should just commit to the abstinent man

“one of them is completely abstinent we met at Mass... the other one is a little bit older about 10 to 15 years older than me and um he just got a divorce like a year ago”

Key MomentNicole challenges Brian's self-rating of 6; Brian runs live poll — 75% vote Nicole is cuter

“I think you said you rated yourself on the look scale a six but on a good day of 6.9... so are you a five or am I seven”

Key MomentSelf-ratings round: Kiko revises down from her usual '10' to 5-6; Dan rates himself a solid 8 (highest male self-rating at the table)

“um so you know I've had a lot of feedback in the recent months about my parents and I've been kind of taking a mental note... I'll give myself a nice like six maybe seven”

QuoteKiko notes she has revised her self-rating down from 10 after reading comment feedback; describes getting zeros and tens in comments and averaging to 5-6

“you've been convinced... well I mean you guys are telling me that it's not what I see myself as is what everyone else views me and they've given me their feedback so I've seen the feedback”

QuoteDan explains that men need attraction advice and women need retention advice — a core distinction for his coaching

“men need help attracting women women need help retaining men absolutely women need relationship advice men need attraction advice”

ControversyMilan reveals she was arrested in Ojai, CA during the week before the episode after grabbing her phone back from a physically aggressive man she was dating

“I was in jail you got you got arrested yeah I did for for grabbing my phone out of a guys hand who was assaulting me yes”

QuoteKiko says this has been her favorite podcast episode she has appeared on

“I have my favorite podcast episode I've been on yet has it it has this has been lovely”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Brian introduces Kiko as co-host. All guests give names, ages, occupations. Brian then asks each guest their relationship status and longest relationship.

Jenna's 3 Baby Daddies and 4 Kids

Jenna reveals she has 4 kids by 3 different men. Timeline established: first child at 19, second at ~21 (didn't know she was pregnant and was dating a new man; original father has 5 kids with different mothers), third and fourth at ~22-23 with that man. She lost near-full custody due to jail history; rebuilding co-parenting. Bipolar 1 disclosed. Panel and Brian react. Discussion of impulsivity and how bipolar manifests.

Milan's Dating Two Men / Polygenism

Milan explains she is courting two men (Catholic/abstinent man from Mass, and a recently divorced older man). Both men know. She describes herself as polygenist (closed on her end, open on man's end). Panel discusses whether men actually want the woman to initiate commitment. Dan discusses how he 'told' Billy Ray they were in a relationship rather than asking.

Passport Bros Discussion

Discussion of the passport bros movement (men traveling abroad to find foreign women). Guests debate whether it is effective, whether foreign women also manipulate men, and whether it signals a legitimate protest flag to Western women. Dan argues it highlights that Western men are expected to be chivalrous without a clearly defined female equivalent duty.

Gender Roles, Chivalry, and Female Equivalent

Dan poses the question: if chivalry is the male duty, what is the female equivalent? Michaela/SPEAKER_02 references Proverbs 31. Kiko describes being a homemaker as her version of female chivalry. Milan discusses hypo-feminine vs. independent women as emerging camps. Dan discusses leadership in relationships as more nuanced than a dictatorship. Multiple women say they have been the dominant one in prior relationships and found it unsatisfying.

Gun Ownership Poll

Brian asks the panel: gun ownership in a partner — positive, negative, or neutral? All who respond say positive (with training/education caveats). Madison says positive. Priya says positive. Billy Ray says positive.

Nicole vs. Brian Looks Poll

Nicole (from pre-show notes) wanted to discuss Brian's self-rating of 6. She suggested she might be cuter than him. Brian runs a live stream poll — 75% vote Nicole is cuter. Discussion of objective beauty standards, facial symmetry, race and attractiveness studies. Brian suggests Kristin Kreuk and Ana de Armas as near-tens.

Self-Ratings Round

Brian pulls up a superchatter request for everyone to rate themselves 1-10. Kiko revised down from her usual '10' to 5-6 after processing negative feedback from her comment sections. Jenna: 6 (jokes she is a 10 on the reservation). Milan: 6. Madison: ~7 (6.5 without makeup, 8 on a good day). Nicole: 6.7 (consistent across 3 episodes). Billy Ray: 6.7 (consistent 3 episodes). Dan: solid 8 (highest male self-rating at table). Extensive debate about objective vs. subjective beauty standards. Brian: 6. Kiko noted this is the first time a man rated himself highest at the table.

Milan's Arrest Story

Milan reveals she was arrested in Ojai, CA in the days before the episode. The man she was dating (Phoenix/older man) became physically aggressive when she repeatedly refused him over 3 days. She grabbed her phone back while recording the incident; California domestic violence law required the responding officers to arrest her despite apologizing. They escorted her to safety afterward. The case is expected to be dropped due to her video evidence. She has since ended contact with that man.

Jonah Hill Boundary Discussion

Panel reacts to a post-show note Nicole wrote about the Jonah Hill text message controversy. Discussion of whether his demands were boundaries or control. Nicole argues they were controlling; Kiko says women should stop posting provocative photos when in a relationship. Dan discusses his texting approach with Billy Ray. Billy Ray discusses running content by Dan before posting. Panel discusses the difference between a boundary and manipulation.

Men Approaching Women Discussion

Panel discusses whether women like being approached by men at bars/clubs. Kiko says she dislikes it in general but has never been rude. Madison (SPEAKER_09) says positive if tasteful. Billy Ray says she avoided bars so rarely encountered it. Dan argues men approach because they have to — deficit model. Discussion of day game vs. bar approaches. Kiko notes her boyfriend approached her at her job.

Birth Control Discussion

Billy Ray announces she got off birth control this month. Dan and Billy Ray explain the research (book: Beyond the Pill) about birth control affecting immune-based mate selection and post-pill hormone changes. Billy Ray notes symptoms (breakouts, feeling more in tune with body). Kiko defends birth control for period regulation. Panel discusses whether recommending going off birth control on a show mostly watched by men is responsible.

After Show / Wrap-Up

Final thoughts from guests. Michaela encourages fellow Christian singles to use singleness season for God. Kiko recommends men get out of their routines and join social groups. Milan recommends men work on confidence and self-improvement. Priya acknowledges being too afraid to approach men and says she is working on it. Dan discusses the pheromone/birth control study and mate selection. Show wraps.

Transcript

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Brian Atlaswomen there's well we're being graded on different things no no absolutely but if I'm gonna do hold on oh so sorry continue I'm just gonna let the chat know if we're looking I'm doing a pull I'm starting at a scale from one to ten

Priyaobviously one and ten are gonna be the least are going to be are going to be a small small fraction

Priyaof the population I think in terms of good looks there are a lot more good-looking women compared to how many good-looking men there are Nicole okay so Brixton versus Nicole right help

Kikothough so what's that yeah absolutely yeah we have makeup we have hair makes a huge difference and also in this day and age of like especially in California it's getting harder to tell who has fillers

Kikoexactly talks whereas men aren't as likely to do those things so I feel like that also helps why we have a lot more attractive women more than men Martin donated yeah thank you

TTS ReaderBrian ask all the ladies what they want in a relationship I'm kidding I couldn't care less pre answer the question about

Brian Atlasbeing a horse girl I know you come from money but not this kind of money Brian I will come on when in CA have Priya on when I am hey actually priya's moving to

Brian Atlasthe Southern California I don't know if I yeah she's moving to SoCal so we'll have her on more thank you marquavius much appreciated

Priyaum I come from a middle class background with some help from my mother when I was younger okay so okay the poll's been going for a

Brian Atlasminute now we have 524 votes there's about 5 000 people watching who is cuter Brian or Nicole I feel like I should have worded this question a little better that was the question what's the question that was just the question because I thought you were just talking

Brian Atlasabout yeah but I should have worded it like who is more look if they vote that you're cuter objectively more physically attractive okay well if I lose which I think I'm gonna lose maybe do I have to wear flannel

Brian AtlasI mean keep in mind there's men watching this and they there's Men Who probably don't want to consider themselves as like

Brian Atlasgay and they're saying I'm cuter than you so it's 75 to 25 so shoot do I have to wear flannel now next time I don't see how that's all at all related but

Brian Atlasplus you know how they feel maybe it's gonna make me cuter maybe it's the plan uh but speaking of raiding uh and I will I will further rebuke your your sixth

Brian Atlascomment or your sorry excuse me your your uh rejection that I'm a six I will rebuke it after I do this uh let's see here we have Stiffler ask everyone to

Kikorate their looks on a scale of one to ten Kiko you first um so you know I've had a lot of feedback

Kikoin the recent months about my parents and I've been kind of taking a mental note of what I see like in my comments and everything so I think when you like average it out when you take all of the

Kikolike zeros and then all the tens and then the few like sevens and threes I'll give myself a nice like six maybe seven or maybe it's being too generous there's a lot of zeros there

Kikomaybe five five I guess Kiko every other almost every other episode you've been on you've given yourself a 10. and you guys have told me I was wrong every single time am I not have you been convinced

Kikolike I mean you've been convinced well I mean you guys are telling me that it's not what I see myself as is what everyone else views me and they've given me their feedback so I've seen the

Brian Atlasfeedback and I recognize that I am now all right so growing five I'm getting some growth here okay did your boyfriend tell you to say that no okay

Kikohe told me that um you're a 10 no he told me no your own boyfriend okay but he always says like he says the same thing that most people say like um I'm a nine because there's always room

Kikofor improvement is what he would tell me to say all right I think that's too like wow that's just too like look at that okay so you used to say you were 10 now you're a what six

Jennasix the numbers I get thrown in my comments so it's time to all right all right what about you well I thought it was a six but if she's going with six I'm gonna lower mine

Jennadon't worry about her scale I'd say six um I'm a 10 on the res on the what res the reservation yeah

Jennawait are you Native American yeah oh I was like you're a 10 on the res

Brian Atlaswhat tribe do you I'm Sue tribe Sue oh yeah okay cool but like I work for Bay Mills tribe but there's you work for the

Jennaone Bay Mills tribe there's different tribes Bay Mills Bay Mills yeah okay yeah cool so but I'm Sue tribes so but I work for them so but we're gonna all

Jennahave like our old Community do you live on the reservation I have not right now have you ever gone off the reservation yes this is the this is the farthest I've ever been West

Jennaum I go to Florida a lot but okay I go to Florida a lot but you know it's the first time that last

Milanum would you rate yourself on the scale of one to ten Brian I'm a little confused on this because last time you said it's a fixed scale right like beauty is a fixed scale

Milanthat's what you've said prior did I say that I don't think this is an objective I think you said there's an objective which is fixed right sure all right yeah right okay so what are you predicating on what are you predicating that on like

Brian AtlasWestern Beauty because they're zero-centric Beauty you said you're like what how about white colors blue eyes well I mean see what I mean I well I disagree that for example say a woman who's

Brian Atlasan Asian woman who has dark hair and dark eyes I don't she could be a 10 in the West so I reject this idea that you need to have blue eyes and blonde hair or whatever well that would mean that the

Brian Atlasskill isn't objective then right well but there's more you you can't attend can manifest itself in like there's not a singular person

Brian Atlasthat's a 10. okay so you there's there's room for differentiation like for example a woman with blue eyes could be a 10 a woman with brown eyes so

Brian Atlaswhat's the objective standard if well there's something there's something to be said about facial symmetry for example there's something to be said about having a healthy body fat percentage range that's and you don't think race plays into that hierarchy of

Priyabeauty at all in the western there are so many studies across different cultures and races and and locations around the world the the scale holds up to of course it's going to look

Priyadifferent in different cultures in society but the scale of like face symmetry and hip to waist race ratio and certain things like that live up to

Brian AtlasI would just point out that as my understanding is is that for example Asian women are rated the most attractive cohort of women

Brian Atlasso I I'm not I don't know why where in the U.S in the U.S yes Asian women are the most attractive women are frequently ranked as the most desirable uh when it

Kikocomes to source that's pretty shocking to me to hear yeah me too I think agents in any case what are you getting at well I'm not surprised well I was just I was genuinely just wondering

Milanlike what the metric was so that I can give myself an accurate like number that's all I was just wondering like what your what the skill is predicated on all right right no it's how other people perceive us that's why I was trying to say like what is the skill

Brian Atlaspredicated on because are you Latina yeah Puerto Rican I'm I so are you asking me if you're less attractive because of your race like I don't get what you're going for okay so

Jennalike I was just teasing about the rest are you overthinking this it was a joke

MilanI said six last time I'll stay with six this time but I do think the scale is important to be talked about if we're going to be giving out answers what scale that's what I'm saying the objectives you said many times that there's a fixed

Milanobjective standard of beauty and that the scale is one to ten and that it's fixed so if it's one to ten and then it's fixed

TTS Readeronly fans where do you hear this more often fill it up never heard that before so where do you hear this more often fill it up

Brian AtlasI've never had anybody say that to me no I think they're saying fill it up right oh okay no never so okay isn't it only in New Jersey where there's this person

KikoI don't know how to pump gas I just moved to Florida you're from Jersey I'm from Jersey he's from Jersey Brian what's up can you give us a woman I hope like a public figure of sorts that is a

Kiko10 to you yeah a woman who's a 10 yeah the skills the skill doesn't the skill is slizz or pointless if nobody they gotta use coming around say all the time well nobody's truly attend nobody's perfect

Kikowell then there's no point in the scale there's nothing right somebody who's a 10 not saying that that 10 has to be attend to him or somebody else but what's your version of a 10 right that's what we're asking Maddie you would sort

Brian Atlasof almost be an amalgamation because yeah you have the body then you have the face so like then you're tender this girl is exceedingly rare

Brian Atlasokay it might be possible there's nines you don't you can't think of one woman is that the term I don't know if that's

Brian Atlasthe term but uh I would say like approaching 10 my personal take Kristin cruick when she was I don't know Kristin cruick Smallville um

KikoGoogle Google Smallville I think she's very interesting like for example like very attractive or whatever

Kikoif he was a Juice Head yeah that one he like said like his girlfriend is like flat out ten no questions I know he's his girlfriend but like he was really standing ten toes down on it and she's a beautiful woman but I know a lot of

Kikopeople who wouldn't consider her attend so like that's a 10 to him sure which would make sense why he might not like me because she's white with blue eyes or whatever so obviously I won't be as ten hold on um so oh she's beautiful Kristen crewick

Brian Atlasscroll down yeah she looks like my friend some of these photos are not flattering like if you see video If you yeah no she is but if you see video of her like so this is something I would

Brian Atlasagree with yeah some of the uh uh the some of these are not the best photos try wait actually hold on go down the one with the flowers

Billy Rayclick on the the flowery so you like the youngest looking photo scroll down scroll down so you like Priya

Priyascroll down oh that's a good one wait the Getty Images Getty Images also the youngest one over 2003. oh my goodness 20 years

Brian Atlashold on what about Margot Robbie so you're like yes Margot Robbie is a winner she's like the most beautiful in the world also wait Kristin cruick from oh wait Kristen Cruz on the comments

Kikoshe's at 7.5 she's a six hello definitely a ten nobody's a 10. like it's so it's so objective you guys cannot say that it is 100 set in stone

Brian Atlaswhat was that uh road trip wait search Chris and Crook Road Trip search wait is it road trip

Productionis that the movie Margot Robbie Williams

Jennaten years ago

Kikoyes obviously there's a track to people yes obviously there's ugly people we know that but before those don't do her justice okay Scotty's girlfriend

Priyayeah yeah hey Brian look up objective standard of beauty I think we're I think we've established

Jennais that where you fell for when Scotty's girlfriend is that where yeah she's definitely a babe is that what turned you on though that when she was like you know what I'm crazy in that one

Jennawas she crazy she was watching she had like a very small role yeah Brian you said you don't like blackhead energy you know yeah she was like screaming

Brian Atlasno look up this like the study that they did look there's something to say about this uh Symmetry and facial features and that changes country to Country bro

Milanyou're over here overthinking I'm this is literally my field like the objective standard of beauty changes from country to country that's just how it works take your

Milanstandard what's your standard I already said six I already said that yeah that's good

Madisonwhy are you looking at me like that yeah oh sorry I thought you were gonna like say something conversation like a weird eyebrow at her um like at eight like seven without

Brian Atlasmakeup Mommy six and a half without makeup but I ate on a good day damn the chat's roasting Chris and crook okay all right fine whatever

Brian Atlasuh ah she got up okay she said six though remember she said six okay six for Nicole I would say like a 5.5 and it goes 6.57

Billy RayI gotta I'm gonna keep my answer consistent for the past three episodes and say a 6.7 all right I'd say I'm like solid eight

KikoI think here's the other thing this is the first time a man has rated himself the highest at the table like this is crazy I know I know what your point is it's

Billy Raywhen girls start reading them when the first girl starts at not a ten then it's it's not gonna oh there is a tribal nature to the way you guys do this is what I say 10 usually I say where I say

Jennaten first everyone says ten yeah no I thought about this all the way here and the body count this in the body count oh my all right like I I mean I'll I'll say it though like a pretty much

Danall of you I don't think any pretty much all of you are going to have are going to have a floor that's average like none of you are objectively

Danunattractive women you're gonna have a floor that's average and some men are going to consider you guys Ryan watch it I miss it you're gonna be

Danfired and some men are going to consider you guys to be attractive I think objectively my beautiful girlfriend I think Priya um the Latin Touch is going to be really

Dannice for a lot of guys I think Madison and Kiko in particular you guys there are plenty of guys who are going to consider you to be like maybe upwards of like eight and nines depending on their taste but I think floor is going to be

Danaverage pretty much everybody here agreed

Brian Atlasgood times I'm trying to okay let me do some chats here we have puffy Vegas our good friend puff V puffy V starting with a girl black girl what

Brian Atlason the right and he went the white girl huh 7.5 6.577 or 7.56 buckets six seven six points

TTS Readerdonated 99. it is wild has such a simple question time and time again gets so much over thought Kiko needs a new nickname for her good faith also funny

TTS Readerhow the Sims rate Kiko 10 tenths they all would date if they could

KikoTed actually I have a magnitude of the comments that I do get are men saying that they hate almost everything that comes out of my mouth they don't stand for anything that they I say they don't agree with me at all

Kikowe're completely different but they can't deny that I'm attractive to them so I wouldn't say sure there are sims but if anything I do get a lot of those comments so

Kikowait what I agree not the only people call me 10 out of 10 are not just simps other men as well as well yeah valdiv thank you man appreciate it we have been with the offender here actually whoops we have

Brian Atlasthis one here dry zala 100 thank you man appreciate it first time super chat here question for the panel if Western standards weren't so high from women do you think the shorter men can stand a chance of being

Brian Atlaswith a woman he's attracted to I'm five foot two and all too often my height prevents being with a woman dry zala thank you for the supercharm I appreciate it

Priyauh yeah that height is definitely it's a tough one for men yeah so I find it absolutely ridiculous when short women and I'm talking like five

Priyafoot five two are like I will only date men over six foot tall I think it's absolute get over yourself first of all I'm decently tall I'm five

Priyaeight and I've dated plenty of people that have been the same height as me um would I absolutely prefer somebody that's taller than me yes but I find it so crazy that women that are very small are

Priyahave such a high preference but would you ever date someone shorter than you um I'm not saying that I wouldn't I wouldn't uh the men that I've dated that are quote unquote the same size as me people

Priyahave said that they're actually shorter than me but they're the same size on or same height on paper but um no I mean I'm a pretty I have a pretty dominant personality I feel like

Priyaand in a relationship I do want to feel feminine and I don't want to feel like I'm the more dominant masculine one in the relationship so if somebody has a

Priyapersonality and lifestyle that does portray that then that's totally fine if they're same height maybe even shorter but yeah I agreed yeah I feel bad for those men too

Kikosometimes it is a double standard but also like the updated men the same height as me and then I've run into the issue where because I love my heels I love my taller shoes and like they would get actually upset like would be visibly

Kikoupset that I was taller than them with these shoes on and ask me to take them off and say I'm not doing that I'm their shoes you know so that's where it's like I like a few inches with all those girls were like five foot tall literally like

Kikofour eleven saying oh I only date men over six feet maybe they dated a couple men over six feet but all the time they're not even dating men that are all over six feet they're just saying it but they've given a few maybe not the five

Kikotwo guys are dating yes but they've given some five ten some five nines

Brian Atlasthey've given a five nine five ten guy a chance by the way five Nine's the average male height I'm not I'm not saying that I've dated men that are five no I'm not saying that's you but you're talking about these others I say give them a chance because they're these are

Kikothe girls a man who's of average height he's actually above average I was saying that because these are the same woman quote-unquote saying that they won't date anyone under six feet so I'm saying that they give those men a chance

TTS Readerappreciate it love to see character development from look at that look at that you're winning the most but honestly she's a 7.5 as for Who Comes Close to attendance armor to our Mass

Danmuch love Brian can we get a can we get a photo can you can you Google a photo of Anna De armasque she was in the James Bond movie um she was she was like the agent that that met that met him I I would agree I

Priyathink she's probably one of the most attractive women in like entertainment right now yeah oh wow really

Kikohuh her this photo on the bottom right maybe it's not flattering but don't you like X out and scroll down she's gorgeous I know she's absolutely beautiful I wouldn't say she's the

Kikostandard of beauty she looks like Angelina uh I mean not me but I wouldn't say that's like this right it's also so hard to tell in

KikoGoogle Images Google Images be doing a lot of women dirty that's so true like those pictures look gorgeous isn't she older you know there's nothing wrong with that

Kikoshe's probably in her 30s she kind of looks like around me or whatever okay Timothy yeah bringing she's gorgeous

Brian Atlasbringing this back up uh I think it's actually interesting and Priya raises a good point prayer you said you're 5'8 right yes yeah so I think it's actually like women who are average height or

Brian Atlasabove actually have less preference seem to care less about height than like a girl who's four eleven or five feet and you'd think oh okay well if you're a

Brian Atlasguy who's five foot two just get a girl who's four eleven right or five feet actually those girls care even more about dating a guy who's tall for some

Kikoreason like they wanna guys they're trying to like even out their gene pool yeah that's something like if we get a six foot man maybe we can get some five five kids I got to be honest with you I needed somebody who was the

Nicolesame height as me and I couldn't stand it you couldn't stand it did not like it did not like it how tall are you I'm 5'4 and he was five four five five okay you like it I'm a little over five seven and

NicoleI don't understand the obsession with the over six feet thing I've dated men my same height I've dated men who when I wear heels I'm taller than them um I I don't know what the obsession

Kikothe same way they say like men have the time yeah yeah I don't know yeah you yes I'm sure there's very strong short

Billy Raymen out there I mean hey they're senator of gravity they probably have some yeah I feel like I have to defend the five foot girls out here cause I'm five

Billy Rayfeet me too and I guess kite has never played a role in the man I've chosen I it plays no role in this he's way taller than me but it that's why I'm attractive I'm six too

Danlike I'm five seven my boyfriend's six foot so I mean no I see but that's how it should be I agree I I don't even think I see a lot of girls get into this whole thing where they think that it's like oh I it's because like I need to be

Danable to feel like I'm like hugging upward and things like that the reason why it bothers the reason why 5-4 bothered you is not because of his relative height to you is because of his relative height to other men that's why it bothers you that's why I like it that

Danthat's why when you're five eight five nine but you really don't like him not being eye to eye to other men I think that's the biggest thing man and like she said he didn't want me wearing heels like a point you know like this is why like if you meet a guy who's average

Danheight like it actually let's say you're five feet tall you meet a guy who's five six and he do you want to say something real quick no go for it I was gonna say if he you guys are emotionally stimulated that's how you get aroused

Danlike you guys that's why you never hear a guy being like I just want a girl to have a really good sense of humor no that's what girls say that okay you guys if you meet up if you're five foot one five foot two you meet a guy who's five

Danfoot six your initial thought seeing him maybe at a bar or something like that is going to be like he's a little short but the moment that he opens his mouth and he's got he's got Riz he's making you laugh he knows how to freaking like

Danschedule a date take you out show you a good time you've got that Vibe right and then all of a sudden you realize like oh he's like super disciplined like I enjoy spending time with him your height the

Danheight preference goes out the window yeah guys who are five two five one five foot those guys are in big trouble because of their relative height to other men not the relative height to you

Kikoeven growing up the most like Suave like like the two boys I remember growing up my class out of my Catholic school was small they were I was five five in fifth grade these boys were like four nine

Kikountil a day we graduated eighth grade but they were the lady men like lady man whatever you call them of our class even though they're the shortest like they were just so funny like they class clowns athletic whatever but kind of

Kikoback to my comment earlier when I said a lot of women those short women will say I only date men above six feet but actually not because of how it sounds they don't want to be the one to say like oh like they think it sounds lesser

Danif they say it they're not dating men over six feet so that's why that's the whole like Trend to say like I only date men over six feet I also think dating apps in particular highlight this I think but if you're if you're a guy who's under six feet tall on a dating

Billy Rayapp you're gonna struggle because women are going to be in their heads about this preference without realizing that they're just setting themselves up to fail I think what you back to what you were saying we have a friend I don't want to say his name yeah we have a

Billy Rayfriend that's not I think he's five two and he does struggle on dating apps but in person he is always the most Alpha person in the room um and in person he gets every girl he

Billy Rayapproaches and everything because of his personality is he's a very masculine personality unlike on my platform like men ask me I like I get so many like DMS from men being like help like my looks

Milanare about like a five I'm a little bit short like do I have a chance with a girl who's a nine or ten and like the answer is absolutely yes because like the the guy that I was talking about earlier it's gonna be harder it's gonna be harder yes absolutely you have to be

Milanmore confident you have to work on you have to like Flex that muscle but um the guy that I'm dating and that's abstinent um he's my height a little bit shorter than me and um when I first went to the adult Mass to meet other and mingle with

Milanother men my initial attraction was to the tallest guy in the room the attractive one and all the girls were kind of coming to him and I was just kind of waiting for him to approach me or going to do something and then this guy just came out of nowhere and made me

Brian Atlaslaugh that was it just like that so I agree Good Times all right we have to enter the offender here Priya what are the breeds of your horses my sister has two Rocky Mountain Tennessee Walker Mix and One paint

Brian AtlasI have a thoroughbred a whole Steiner and a Dutch hornblood all right thank you Badger Defender those are her horses all right we have Tree Foster Michaela you are so beautiful you're

Brian Atlasdefinitely higher than the five solid nine I thought so too that's from the Trey Foster thank you Trey Foster appreciate it first time seeing you in the chat we have dark Shinobi there's a different all caps by

Brian Atlasthe way there's a difference between personal 10 and objective 10 most people see tens in the face which is personal but objective is a 10 you think most

Brian Atlaswould agree because they have the body to match example Ash Cash

Kikoand I think her tapes got leaked multiple times but then she turned it into a career good social media influencer thank you dark Chino be good to see you in the chat man

Brian Atlasum yeah I we have something related to that from Doc venables he says golden ratio 1 to

Brian Atlas1.16 is the objective standard of beauty not only across cultures but nature Da Vinci understood it and used it in his paintings and exemplified by the

Nicolemarquart mask attraction is a different concept and that is what varies exactly should we all put our faces in the thing and see

Brian Atlaswhat number no everyone actually is right yes we should there's probably some app that I think there's an app that will compare you to something and

Brian Atlasthere's an app that tells you how simple there probably is I'm sure yeah uh Mia a bunch of people have been dming me a couple people have been dming me

Brian Atlasuh saying that you got into trouble trouble this weekend did something happen did something happen how the hell did you know that

Milanjust like a bunch of people were dming me like a dark story I'm not sure if I want to get into it honestly okay but you can ask me like surface level questions if you want

Milanto get into it what do you want to know you got did you get into trouble or did no I didn't like I didn't get into trouble now okay yeah something did happen yeah

Milanyou can ask me questions if you want uh you're still in school right I'm in the interim like so I had to apply for my PhD did you get into legal trouble

Milanshould I just say it yeah you know the pressure's on just sure I want to ask a question about it I have no idea mess with getting into your

Milanprogram no of course not um I didn't I wasn't aware of California law and um there's a bit of a domestic dispute where I had to protect myself and

Milanbecause of California law just me grabbing my phone out of someone's hand was enough to get me into trouble but the cops were very nice everyone was very sweet and they got me out of there

Milanas quickly as possible so it was a dangerous situation for me that's why I don't really want to talk about it sure was it in Los Angeles this was in Ojai actually oh got you out of where sorry you said got you out of where I

Milanwas in jail you got you got arrested yeah I did for for grabbing my phone out of a guy's hand who was assaulting me yes oh Lord yeah well that's that's the rule in California I actually did not know that

Milanbecause in New York if someone assaults you you can absolutely fight back but if that person is someone that you're dating and they're hurting you in some way and you grab even if even if you

Milanbraise them um the sheriff uh the sheriff of the department was actually talking to me about how he hates enforcing this law and the cops literally had to apologize to me for arresting me because they didn't want to enforce this law because

Milanthey've had to arrest men that during an argument would lay their hand on a woman's lap and boom they would have to get arrested right there it's literally as much of a just a little graze wait you're dating this guy

Milanum yeah it's the guy from Phoenix we're not dating anymore but wait so it's not the wait but you said you were dating two guys yes the divorce say that's I didn't want to talk about it but hey you're dating three guys

Milannot the not the Catholic guy but the other the other guy did he call the cops on you no no no no um someone heard me guys this is really someone heard me getting attacked and they called they called

Milansorry thank you well we don't have to talk about it we just talked about it Brian I just literally admitted that I was in prison but okay I'm in jail yeah

Milanthey're very different I know I didn't I've never gone in trouble with the law my family is from law enforcement NYPD but California law is what it is you can't fight back

Milanit'll most likely hopefully it'll get dropped right it will the cops are not gonna the cops told me that like the evidence I have is beyond I recorded everything so it's oh yeah that's why he was trying to grab my phone for

Brian Atlasme it was an altercation were the police like did they witness the like altercation or like how did that play out um can I just get into it did I just tell you lay it all out on the table only if

Milanyou feel comfortable I mean hey it's already it's already out I literally said I went to jail so I mean like what you know what else I don't really have much to hide so um in short I told him no and to stop touching me

Milanmultiple times over the course of three days I lost sleep I wasn't doing well I'm I was alone in California no one else but just being with him and

Milanhe wouldn't respect my nose and um uh he took it too far and I screamed for help and the cops came yeah the cops came and since I had everything on video they saw

Milanme grab my phone from his hand because I was afraid he was I mean we were in Ojai we were in the middle of California mountains like it was very scary for me as a New Yorker through and through so

Milanum he tried to grab my phone for me and um I grabbed it back and the cops were literally so nice here so different from the NYPD the cops looked at me directly in the eyes and said we're so sorry that

Milanwe have to do this but we have to bring you in just because we saw you grab your phone back and I was like that's my property though like I needed to record this situation to show you guys and they're like we know like we're really sorry we're gonna process you as quickly

Milanas possible and we're gonna get you out of here and then afterwards they came they escorted me they made sure I was safe okay protected and have safety afterwards and they profusely apologized to me

Milanum so yeah that's crazy yeah a little little spies Ryan he said that's crazy yeah sorry something happened to him that was a few days ago are you still talking to him no absolutely not okay

Milanwell uh sorry to hear that you got involved with that uh situation it was actually one of what you to what you were talking about earlier the facade of the nice guy until suddenly you don't

Milangive him what he wants and that facade drops and it becomes dangerous and um it's unfortunate that I found myself in that situation but I'm strong

TTS Readerand I'll pick myself up so Nicole oh never did one Malik donated 100 doesn't that make you a prime example of why men shouldn't allow the woman they might

TTS Readerwant to marry to date other men I'm sitting here on a Tuesday and I get a phone call that the girl I might love is in jail because she hit her on the boyfriend phone

Milanokay that's implying that I would call another guy that I'm dating to try to bail me out of a situation that that was

Milancompletely out of my control and I it's just no signs of red flags in my opinion so I don't think it's right to to say that or make that assumption

Kikoum I wouldn't you don't know who I called or what I did or how I processed it or handled it so why don't you just keep your opinion to yourself on her behalf too I mean don't forget the fact that this other man and question is the

Milanman that requested for them to be seeing other people yes thank you Kiko thank you and I'm also caliginous I'm also polygenist so I am very much okay with guys dating other women and if they're

Brian Atlasokay with me dating other men I will do that okay well thank you for sharing um so Nicole let's go back you you you uh the

Brian Atlassixth thing come on I was just teasing you in your DMs I actually think you're higher than a six you literally just said that's not the

Brian Atlascase don't don't uh walk back what you were saying unless you genuinely believe it I think no I think you're higher than a

Nicolesix when we're taking into account like the full male scale right but I was just saying if we're just looking at like cuteness factor I was like I don't know

NicoleBrian are you cuter than me um but on like the objective man scale like how a woman would judge a man on the equivalent scale you're higher than a six I think well that's the thing I feel like so

Nicolethat's all that was about I feel like you're trying to make it really serious and I just feel like you I would make a good silly DM no I hit the wall so I no men want me

Nicoleanymore yeah oh otherwise I'm there I'd let you maybe wear flannel and sweatpants and I would buy my own coffee with you

NicoleI wouldn't even make you pay so sweet [Laughter] oh I hope I left you speechless

MilanI'm gonna pass on that but I'm a pass but um Audi ences

JennaAudi oh we all know what the Audi is no

Brian Atlasno wait what something something we're done wait those are pretty good cookies man

Brian Atlaswhy you eat save it for after the show Kiko I'm starving oh the other thing you actually Nick if you can pull up the

Brian Atlasuh one of the screenshots we have oh that's not the one okay next one that's not the one

Brian Atlasyeah so on the show that you were on yeah you want we were talking about the Jonah Hill situation yes and after the show you had all this smoke you wrote this whole thing about the Jonah Hill

Brian Atlassituation how I guess it's controlling insecure abusive blah blah blah blah unfortunately when you were on the show we didn't really hear yeah it was my first time on the show no not an excuse but

Brian AtlasI'll read it okay and because I couldn't get a word in while we chatted on this topic this is exactly what I wanted to say one last thing before I go shoot I don't think it's appropriate to publicly

Brian Atlaspost what she did I couldn't imagine doing this to someone my whole opinion is that Jonah is insecure and trying to control this control doesn't allow for Freedom when one tries to control

Brian Atlasanother's Behavior it doesn't work his ex was also incredibly immature in our handling of all of this I didn't see anything that flagged would you mind speaking without a fake condescending

Brian Atlastone towards me I mean this is this is how you would speak you know that's not how this is my impression I find you bringing this up this is my impression

Brian Atlasof like a uh a stereotypical female okay I just asked something if oh yeah it's okay for you to joke but when I joke

Brian Atlasit's not okay no I didn't because what you literally just admitted to having joked about the the sixth thing okay continue one then I was just but it's it's perfectly okay for you to joke around

Brian Atlaswhen we're speaking about my physical appearance but if I'm facetiously making a voice oh my God then you're up in arms no you literally you can joke around interrupted you just interrupted me

Brian Atlaswhile I was wrong objecting to the way I was kind of humorously doing a voice a female voice I did okay okay so you can continue on it was just a request okay okay

Nicolebut like but I I joked around you know that I don't mind being joked around with and being teased and being roasted which is precisely what I was very mil in a very milk toe sort of way what I was doing

Brian Atlasokay I request I don't do that you don't use that tone of voice let's continue reading it go ahead uh uh hold on let's wait till that

Brian Atlasclears kahil Brian is a 10 simply because he runs a podcast like this the women of the panel please name one Jesus Christ

Kikoimagine getting mad at me because I stated my opinion on information I didn't ask for indulging in this podcast so I mean information you didn't ask for you could

Kikoturn it off what's this in I'm sure this is a response to what I said to when is he the one who made the comment saying that like now she's gonna go call another man about getting out of jail and he's

Kikosaying now that oh yeah he did leave that yeah it's no we're not no one's getting mad at you I was just clearly stating that your point is mute yeah it does it has you have no

Kikopoint because the man that you're concerned about her calling is the man who wants for them not to be in a committed relationship and information you don't want you're the one in

Kikochoosing to watch this podcast about our dating lives so it is information you wanted thank you okay let me get this one from kahil while I've got it Brian is a 10

Brian Atlassimply because he runs a podcast like this the women on the panel please name one thing you've done that may remotely compare to everything a 10 like Brian has built I mean but the the ten thing I

Brian Atlasmean the the rating thing is about looks so I mean I don't really fact you can't really fact perhaps uh what's the term uh like the overall picture you can say

Brian Atlaswell my personality I've got a great personality so that bumps me up a plan or whatever I'm successful so but uh thank you thank you for kaheel appreciate it will someone else coming in on this I

Brian Atlasdon't know one thing you've done that may remotely compare to everything at 10 like I think I do well awesome that's cool

Michaelaultimate baby mama I'm just hated I'm in the Air Force pilot or just like a mechanic yeah a magnetic in the Air Force yeah okay good

Brian Atlastime med tech a nurturing military all right that's good nailed it yeah it's not a competition guys I mean that's not a competition I'm sure

Brian Atlaseveryone here at this panel has achieved all sorts of wonderful things Kiko for example she

Kikowell speaking of his magnificent podcast that he has yeah what has Kiko done listen Kiko has accumulated Brian about

Kikosix million views on his live podcast maybe another 20 plus views on shorted Clips just on his own um channels by the way not including the

Kikorandom promotion that he's gone no not all the credit definitely was with the help of Chase I couldn't do it without good old Chasey boy but and you're also on the Michael Knowles panel too I mean I was on

KikoMichael Knowles I was with Ali I've been on a few good ones oh we can't forget Taytay I feel like that one didn't get a lot of fear it did it I know it pissed her off so bad I know she's are you down

Kikoto box Taytay that's gonna be about 10 grand marquavius are you still in the chat we need I have no problem that woman will for sure beat my ass I mean first of all boxing let me not [Music]

Brian Atlasum you're Scrappy I think I've never been in a fight in my life I've never physically yeah that's correct

Brian Atlasdetermined or pugnacious one is eager or quick to argue okay I didn't really use that in the right way I think but okay whatever um maybe there's other definitions I

Brian Atlasdon't know but are you down to boxer if markovius um if he funds it for 10K for sure I know she wants to fight me and she's made it yo got it are you down okay wait are you

Brian Atlasdown to set up a let's I want to do a boxing event we're going to have Madison fight who do you want to fight Madison

Brian Atlaswhile you're back I mean oh Madison's gonna fight Sophia Kiko's gonna fight Taytay what's the main event um

Billy Rayuh who are you beefing with Billy you got any I feel like you've avoided beef right or I don't know

TTS Readeryes I do avoid beef okay I try not I I oh sorry oh there he is donated 100

TTS ReaderI'm here I boxed for 12 years I got confused you want me to box huh I don't hit women unless they beg me

Kikoum Kika do you want a box of man what if he identifies as a woman um well we're gonna bring up that topic no I am not for Trans in women's sports

Kikoso oh okay well there you go all right I mean I I feel like it's a very new topic that we've had to explore in recent times but um

KikoI have a pretty yeah we don't at all but I have a very uh okay that's even why before like when I think her name was Deborah was going on her little Spiel at the end of one of my

Kikoepisodes where I lost rage quit that's why I tried saying it wasn't what she was saying that I was trying to shut down because I don't agree with her or anything there was many points she was saying that I do agree with it was just the fact that it was 12 30 in the

Kikomorning and she was bringing up topics that we hadn't even touched on yet that could not be discussed we shouldn't be discussed at 12 30 because it's going to be hours long and you guys were here for another hour

Brian Atlasafter one in the morning somebody said Brian versus bangs I'm totally down for that one why I don't know because that would be wonderful

Brian Atlasbut uh there's a lot of back pedals it would be Kiko versus tete one of their previous episodes they had quite a back and forth so and she's continued to make

Brian Atlasmultiple videos about it so I don't know who this person is yeah I don't either because her her she's she's a content creator she's a content creator come on be nice no I'm just saying like because there's been a lot of viral

Kikoclips that go around from your podcast and there hasn't been that many viral clips from that segment so not a lot of people are like what does she create she's the pro man's emotions and

Brian Atlasfeelings based yeah like and I totally totally get it that's not my beep with her at all um I think all right so markovius we will email you about scheduling this

Brian Atlasboxing event um so we'll we'll we'll get a card sorted and we'll have a a uh you know main card and whatnot did you get it

Kikopromoted by Zeus who love who Zeus is like a network program that has all that guy South and uh okay Christian and blueface where

Brian Atlastheir shows are sure let's pull back up yeah let's get back into that all right where did I leave off here uh third paragraph both of both of them or I

Brian Atlasdon't I don't know if I want to be Petty and just continue but both of them were engaging in manipulation north of them should have north of them should have

Brian Atlasdo you know how to spell I think I was uh saying oh yeah neither all right normally would it autocorrect okay yeah yeah blame it on that okay correct okay north of them neither of them should

Brian Atlashave exited the relationship far before it ended it seems like there could have been behaviors she exhibited that would make a man not want to be in a relationship with okay the Jonah the Jonah leave her I don't know the purpose of her publicly posting all the texts to

Brian Atlasme it's poor taste neither of them impressed me both are on the wrong they both need to learn what actual boundaries are uh so yeah agree with you on the first part definitely wrong of her to expose Jonah with leaking the

Brian Atlasbut you said that he was either insecure or it wasn't actually boundaries or what what's your actual position on that the conversation that day

Nicolewhat at the point that I wanted to make is there's a difference between trying to control someone and get into this game of behavior control and setting up personal

Nicoleboundaries and standards so if Jonah Hill was dating this woman I don't know what she was doing

Nicolebut if she was doing things that before he knew her I mean so she posted bathing suit photos and stuff she was doing this before they dated to me Jonah

Nicolewould look at that and say well before I enter into a relationship with this woman if she's posting these surfing photos and surfing with men that boundary could be established up

Nicolefront he'd say look I really like you but these things bother me make me uncomfortable etc etc and a boundary of mine is like I want to pursue this relationship but I can't be with a woman

Nicolewho does XYZ and then the woman could respond and and say hey no that's what I do and then Jonah can say okay cool walk away but what it seemed to mean I don't know the details of it

Nicolebut when we are reading through their text messages it looked like this power struggle and this like manipulation from both sides and him saying well I told you take that down and why did you do that and then she's blasting publicly to

Nicoleme it just shows immaturity on both sides so I think it's important to have personal boundaries of what you will and will not accept in a partner and what your preferences are your

Nicolenon-negotiables and Jonah should form a boundary and then pull himself away from the scenario and vet a different woman so and on her end what she did

NicoleI mean no words for that but I just saw them as both in the wrong and both not functioning in a healthy way within the relationship and so yeah so do you do you object to him for

Brian Atlasexample not wanting to heard a post revealing photos I don't know she previously was posting revealing photos no I don't object to that oh wait

NicoleI don't object to him saying I am not I don't want to date a woman who posts bikini photos okay to him saying it

Nicolewho knows how long into the relationship I think that since it's something that she did prior to entering the relationship it's a discussion that should be had in the beginning or as they get into it but when you read those

Nicoletext messages it clearly went very far it went beyond Jonah asking expressing her saying yes or no and then Jonah's saying you know what she's not the woman for me her values don't align my boundaries are higher walk away like

Nicolewhen you look at those text messages this has been festering in their relationship becoming very very toxic and I saw what looked to be both of them in a

Nicolepower struggle him trying to gain some kind of control and her using manipulation with him and I just thought the whole thing was kind of a mess this

Billy Rayis a stupid conversation I mean she leaked these messages it's a personal relationship we shouldn't be giving any attention to her because I don't agree with anybody leaking a personal text

Billy Raymessage I think this is just a stupid conversation to be having like who the hell cares about their text messages I agree I just think it's a waste of time I mean we clearly we I think we can all agree

Billy Rayit was dumb of her to leak these messages that's a breach of his privacy so why are we giving her attention we're doing exactly what she wants right now I think that was the entire purpose

Billy Rayof her leaking those text messages here we are on the whatever podcast talking about this girl's messages we're giving her everything she wants it's like I don't know who she is I don't know who she is either I never looked it up it's like kind of the same thing if

Kikoyou guys she leave them for a reason and we're doing exactly the situation like how Adam Levine's mistress it was really clear that she wasn't posting about it because she felt bad that she was

Kikocheating it was because she wanted to further her career as a social media sure influencer so she decided to do that sure I mean look we can um ignoring the specifics of their

Billy Rayrelationship and how it was uh inappropriate for her to reading into messages that were it's a relationship or not it's overarching okay but but the pivot

Brian Atlasis okay well what the discussion is what are what about boundaries and relationships is it okay for your partner to post revealing photos online what what is a boundary what is controlling for example a lot of men

Brian Atlasdon't want to date women who go out to bars and nightclubs for some men it's a boundary of hey I don't want to date a woman who then don't

Kikodecided to see her Instagram and everything she posts and decide to start a relationship with her should I start a relationship with a woman who even does that to begin with there's plenty of women who don't do that how Michaela said she doesn't have she's maybe a one-piece photo he should have went and

Kikofound a woman like Michaela who's not posting those things why try to find a partner to change them it might be different if I mean not even this day and age it won't even happen but why because if she's posted because if she's posting those photos as a single woman

Kikotrying to get attention and then she's willing to stop doing that there are plenty she settles down with a man but I mean I haven't I is there an example we can think of of a woman who posts like that and then gets

Kikoin a relationship and decides not to it's I think it's there's a fine line between it because it's like if she's only posting maybe something that's a little bit tempting and she realizes out of respect for her man now that she doesn't want to do those things sure but

Kikoa woman who's consecutively almost every single post that she has is thirst trappy the odds of her getting a relationship and stopping that cold turkey I feel like are very rare if anything we see time and time again men

Kikobeing upset when their woman decides not to stop doing those things just as like if you go out if you start dating a man who's known to be very flirtatious and talk to many women

Kikoand once you guys start dating he continues to do those things are you how can you be so surprised like he showed you who he is but okay so I mean your recommendation is is that you you're

Brian Atlassaying oh the boundary should be expressed immediately so like let's say you're going on a first date with a girl who has bikini photos on her Instagram do you think you're really going to make a strong case on the first date to

Brian Atlasinstantly be like hey I want you to take your photos down like be honest that's not going to work you can only make that sort of play when you have a you've built a bit more of

Brian Atlassomething a bit more of a relationship there's no way I'm going on the first date with a girl and immediately like she's immediately going to fall into my frame of hey I don't appreciate you having these photos out there and a lot of people have been brainwashed into

Kikolike oh let's just post super promiscuous photos that's totally cool blah blah blah so I mean I I agree that you can't bring that up on a first date or in the beginning that's why you shouldn't date that woman at all like my post maybe some of my posts you might

Kikothink is promiscuous but they're not I post myself I'm a young woman but I have I think maybe a bikini picture from 2018 up I don't post like that so my boyfriend is like wouldn't have to worry about it

MichaelaI agree with you on that because I feel like if you wait until after you start a relationship with this person you're asking them to change like how do you know they're going to do it yeah like well originally like I feel like you should be searching for the person for

Michaelame personally I'm searching for the person I want to marry and so I don't I went and asked them to immediately write off the bat change like if they're posting revealing stuff so be it you're not the person for me kind of thing and move on like that's

Dannot the person I would be looking for I disagree I think that people are absolutely willing to change for people I think that what Brian said about boundaries anyone who thinks that setting a boundary the moment you meet

Dansomebody and they're just going to be like oh okay like like no way it's never going to happen a lot of times it takes like okay put your foot down and like put it in their head and by the way as a man who has dated women a lot of times

Danwhen you do that the first reaction is highly emotional highly defensive right because essentially when you set a boundary what are you telling someone you did something wrong that's essentially what you're saying and maybe it's not wrong at least it bothered me

Danand a lot of times when you tell a woman that they bothered you they immediately say that they are bothered by the fact that you are bothered and their feelings that are hurt are now more important than your feelings that are hurt and another one of the big reasons why I want to talk because I

Danthink one of the other things that you had a problem with was just the median the medium by with heat by which he set the boundary right you're like it should have been a more just responsible in-person like easy conversation where

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