RAGEQUIT KEEKO Returns! She Has 3 Baby Daddies?! | Dating Talk #88

Date: 2023-07-31

Duration: 5h 55m

Guests

Brian Atlas

MMadison (DT94)>

NNicole (DT88)>

MMichaela (DT88)>

PPriya (DT102)>

BBilly Ray (DT101)>

DDan (DM Dating)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Dan(guest)

SPEAKER_02Michaela(guest)

SPEAKER_03Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_04Milan(guest)

SPEAKER_05Nicole(guest)

SPEAKER_06Jenna(guest)

SPEAKER_07Production(audience)

SPEAKER_08Kiko(guest)

SPEAKER_09Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_10Priya(guest)

SPEAKER_11Billy Ray(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian introduces Kiko as co-host and all guests introduce themselves with name/age/occupation

“I am your host Brian Atlas I'm joined by my co-host Kiki she's a bit shy”

OtherJenna reveals she has 4 kids by 3 different men; panel and Brian react with surprise

“I have three baby daddies three... um two from one and then one from see this is where it gets really confusing”

OtherJenna discloses she is Bipolar 1, diagnosed at 17; explains the difference between type 1 and type 2

“I have a mental illness um I am bipolar one”

Key MomentMilan explains she is simultaneously courting a Catholic abstinent man from Mass and a recently divorced older man; panel debates whether she should just commit to the abstinent man

“one of them is completely abstinent we met at Mass... the other one is a little bit older about 10 to 15 years older than me and um he just got a divorce like a year ago”

Key MomentNicole challenges Brian's self-rating of 6; Brian runs live poll — 75% vote Nicole is cuter

“I think you said you rated yourself on the look scale a six but on a good day of 6.9... so are you a five or am I seven”

Key MomentSelf-ratings round: Kiko revises down from her usual '10' to 5-6; Dan rates himself a solid 8 (highest male self-rating at the table)

“um so you know I've had a lot of feedback in the recent months about my parents and I've been kind of taking a mental note... I'll give myself a nice like six maybe seven”

QuoteKiko notes she has revised her self-rating down from 10 after reading comment feedback; describes getting zeros and tens in comments and averaging to 5-6

“you've been convinced... well I mean you guys are telling me that it's not what I see myself as is what everyone else views me and they've given me their feedback so I've seen the feedback”

QuoteDan explains that men need attraction advice and women need retention advice — a core distinction for his coaching

“men need help attracting women women need help retaining men absolutely women need relationship advice men need attraction advice”

ControversyMilan reveals she was arrested in Ojai, CA during the week before the episode after grabbing her phone back from a physically aggressive man she was dating

“I was in jail you got you got arrested yeah I did for for grabbing my phone out of a guys hand who was assaulting me yes”

QuoteKiko says this has been her favorite podcast episode she has appeared on

“I have my favorite podcast episode I've been on yet has it it has this has been lovely”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Brian introduces Kiko as co-host. All guests give names, ages, occupations. Brian then asks each guest their relationship status and longest relationship.

Jenna's 3 Baby Daddies and 4 Kids

Jenna reveals she has 4 kids by 3 different men. Timeline established: first child at 19, second at ~21 (didn't know she was pregnant and was dating a new man; original father has 5 kids with different mothers), third and fourth at ~22-23 with that man. She lost near-full custody due to jail history; rebuilding co-parenting. Bipolar 1 disclosed. Panel and Brian react. Discussion of impulsivity and how bipolar manifests.

Milan's Dating Two Men / Polygenism

Milan explains she is courting two men (Catholic/abstinent man from Mass, and a recently divorced older man). Both men know. She describes herself as polygenist (closed on her end, open on man's end). Panel discusses whether men actually want the woman to initiate commitment. Dan discusses how he 'told' Billy Ray they were in a relationship rather than asking.

Passport Bros Discussion

Discussion of the passport bros movement (men traveling abroad to find foreign women). Guests debate whether it is effective, whether foreign women also manipulate men, and whether it signals a legitimate protest flag to Western women. Dan argues it highlights that Western men are expected to be chivalrous without a clearly defined female equivalent duty.

Gender Roles, Chivalry, and Female Equivalent

Dan poses the question: if chivalry is the male duty, what is the female equivalent? Michaela/SPEAKER_02 references Proverbs 31. Kiko describes being a homemaker as her version of female chivalry. Milan discusses hypo-feminine vs. independent women as emerging camps. Dan discusses leadership in relationships as more nuanced than a dictatorship. Multiple women say they have been the dominant one in prior relationships and found it unsatisfying.

Gun Ownership Poll

Brian asks the panel: gun ownership in a partner — positive, negative, or neutral? All who respond say positive (with training/education caveats). Madison says positive. Priya says positive. Billy Ray says positive.

Nicole vs. Brian Looks Poll

Nicole (from pre-show notes) wanted to discuss Brian's self-rating of 6. She suggested she might be cuter than him. Brian runs a live stream poll — 75% vote Nicole is cuter. Discussion of objective beauty standards, facial symmetry, race and attractiveness studies. Brian suggests Kristin Kreuk and Ana de Armas as near-tens.

Self-Ratings Round

Brian pulls up a superchatter request for everyone to rate themselves 1-10. Kiko revised down from her usual '10' to 5-6 after processing negative feedback from her comment sections. Jenna: 6 (jokes she is a 10 on the reservation). Milan: 6. Madison: ~7 (6.5 without makeup, 8 on a good day). Nicole: 6.7 (consistent across 3 episodes). Billy Ray: 6.7 (consistent 3 episodes). Dan: solid 8 (highest male self-rating at table). Extensive debate about objective vs. subjective beauty standards. Brian: 6. Kiko noted this is the first time a man rated himself highest at the table.

Milan's Arrest Story

Milan reveals she was arrested in Ojai, CA in the days before the episode. The man she was dating (Phoenix/older man) became physically aggressive when she repeatedly refused him over 3 days. She grabbed her phone back while recording the incident; California domestic violence law required the responding officers to arrest her despite apologizing. They escorted her to safety afterward. The case is expected to be dropped due to her video evidence. She has since ended contact with that man.

Jonah Hill Boundary Discussion

Panel reacts to a post-show note Nicole wrote about the Jonah Hill text message controversy. Discussion of whether his demands were boundaries or control. Nicole argues they were controlling; Kiko says women should stop posting provocative photos when in a relationship. Dan discusses his texting approach with Billy Ray. Billy Ray discusses running content by Dan before posting. Panel discusses the difference between a boundary and manipulation.

Men Approaching Women Discussion

Panel discusses whether women like being approached by men at bars/clubs. Kiko says she dislikes it in general but has never been rude. Madison (SPEAKER_09) says positive if tasteful. Billy Ray says she avoided bars so rarely encountered it. Dan argues men approach because they have to — deficit model. Discussion of day game vs. bar approaches. Kiko notes her boyfriend approached her at her job.

Birth Control Discussion

Billy Ray announces she got off birth control this month. Dan and Billy Ray explain the research (book: Beyond the Pill) about birth control affecting immune-based mate selection and post-pill hormone changes. Billy Ray notes symptoms (breakouts, feeling more in tune with body). Kiko defends birth control for period regulation. Panel discusses whether recommending going off birth control on a show mostly watched by men is responsible.

After Show / Wrap-Up

Final thoughts from guests. Michaela encourages fellow Christian singles to use singleness season for God. Kiko recommends men get out of their routines and join social groups. Milan recommends men work on confidence and self-improvement. Priya acknowledges being too afraid to approach men and says she is working on it. Dan discusses the pheromone/birth control study and mate selection. Show wraps.

Transcript

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Nicoleyou just like sat down and hashed it out I mean that's things are messy though I mean there's always the idea of what a conversation should look like I just saw

Nicolefrom The Limited text messages that from both directions it was that's quite off the rails but it's also like with me and her and and I'm this isn't about this isn't even about like setting boundaries

Danit's like every once in a while like me and her might get into like just like a heated back and forth and then like I'll like go to the gym or something like that I take a second and like rather than like sitting down and being like okay like rather than like say something that like might get her a

Danlittle upset and then we have to deal with like being upset why don't I just like think about what I want to say send a text that's like exactly what I want what like what I wanted to say back to her and then she reads it goes oh

Danheart's the message I come back hey we're good now yeah cool guys will use that like written medium to just get every single thought out before you can even have the emotional reaction to interrupt him in his chain of logical

Danthinking that's not to say women are logical you guys are still logical thinkers but you do have a tendency to let your emotions guide the direction of the conversation so that's one of the big reasons why guys will use this

Danwritten medium to get these points across so it comes across as like highly controlling very odd very robotic but that's just him being like you know what I've tried to have this comment it might have been I've tried to have this conversation before she doesn't freaking

Danlisten to me so I'm just gonna spell it out and if she wants to go she'll go she wants to say she'll stay

NicoleI don't know you but this short time that I've been sitting with you I have a feeling that however you text your girlfriend does not look like Jonah

TTS Readerso I I I understand what you're saying and I agree with what you're saying um there's just a difference between boundaries donated 100 when you start

TTS Readergoing from initial dating to a steady relationship it's also typically expected unless otherwise specified that the relationship be monogamous as they become more serious about one another

Brian Atlasthey should start changing their behaviors yo Raven DT thank you very much for the TTS and uh just one note really quick on this and I'll let you continue um yeah I mean prior to dating so Jonah had no problem with her engaging in what

Brian Atlashe considered single Behavior I think even the text revealed that he had initially even liked one of her surfing bikini photos whatever it may be but once they started dating he wanted her

Brian Atlasto act in a way that he thought was consistent with her being in a relationship so what was once acceptable when she was single or at the very beginning of the relationship soon became not acceptable

Brian Atlaswhen he actually wanted to become serious and just see her or have the relationship develop so and continue on with your point I don't think I have anything else to say I'm in agreement

Nicolewith that um what I was in what I was seeing in the text messages was Jonah Hill instead of standing like firm in a boundary and like communicating it just

Nicolefrom what I saw looked like it was coming from a place of him being a little controlling um which control is just different from

Nicolea boundary and I also saw in her end she was definitely being manipulative I mean you can see that immediately but I don't I don't have like big passionate feelings towards them I don't

Brian Atlasknow but but yeah but I did but I wanted to say that because I didn't go to say all right fair enough um all right we have Ninja Smokehouse hey thank you man I'm married now however when my wife met me I was

Brian Atlassleeping with other women should I still be able to she met me that way good point no people should change from doing single things to relationship behaviors

Kikowhen off the market have you not changed for a boyfriend of course that's not what I'm stating at all I just don't I think what I'm trying to say is

Kikothe issue might be having is some men find the way women act on Instagram should be different in a relationship versus not where I believe where I'm saying is most women

Kikoare acting the same on Instagram whether they're in a relationship or not so like a woman who is posting consecutively in a thirst trappy manner or such is probably going to want to

Kikocontinue to do so and you know a woman who doesn't like I would get if it was she was posting a certain way and then you guys are dating and then she starts posting these more

Kikoprovocative images and you're gonna be like okay like you know but I just don't see how Instagram could be a detail like yeah maybe not going out and clubbing all the time yes obviously not sliding into people's DMS

Kikoif he's doing that thing or responding to abundance of messages of course but I just don't personally know any woman who changed the way that they post on social media depending if they're in a relationship

Kikoor not because remember social media is forever like social media is forever so just in case she deletes it I mean the picture's still around what makes a difference if that bikini picture was posted last year versus now I have plenty of plenty of friends that change the way that they behave on social media

Priyawhen they're in a relationship versus when they're single like what are they like are they what are they bikini photos like okay recently I wouldn't do that we're not and I feel like even if they're not doing like I feel like that

Priyastill says something about her if she's doing that while single sure I I completely agree that like I I wouldn't do that as well so like value-wise I'm definitely different than those women but there are definitely things how no matter how small or large that they are

Priyathere are behaviors that all of us engage in that we would do while we're single that we would not do in a relationship and should not do in a relationship yes but I just think it's risky Behavior to get into a relationship with somebody have the time

Kikogo on and then be like okay this is not what I'm okay with like I think you have to realize there's always a chance for them to to not want to do it and that's kind of what we saw in the Jonah Hill situation where she didn't want to do

Priyasure but it's completely reasonable for him to ask her not to and expect her not to because that is not that's not behavior that aligns with being in a relationship I get your point but it's like if that's his abuse and Alignment

Kikohe doesn't want his woman posting that on Instagram whatever but I mean everyone still knows that that's your girlfriend that was just posting her ass two months ago so like I If you're worried about an image and how she's portraying herself that's so

Priyaimportant to you well but you're still advertising yourself as single if you're posting bikini photos on the internet while you're single you are Instagram is the largest dating app in in the entire world it's the largest dating online

Billy Raydating plan I think at the end it just boils down to the fact that he probably didn't feel respected yeah like in our relationship granted we are in a weird situation where I have male followers on

Billy Raymy platform but every single thing I post whether it's a photo which I rarely post or a video which I post every day he watches every single thing before it goes up even stories like I run every

Billy Raysingle thing I post by him not because I'm like hey do you approve of this post no I just everything it's just a respect thing if he doesn't like something I'm about to post I don't post it I I get

Kikothat because I've done the same thing that's not my point at all I just my more so question is because we only mostly see this on the male side right we don't really see a woman dating a man that has like maybe pictures on the

Kikobeach being like I want you to take those down and stop posting that I can give you them no equivalent in a second okay but it's just I just my whole point is it just it is kind of weird to me maybe it's not a point the overall

Kikoquestion I have but how a man is comfortable with his girl posting all of that before we're together but now that they're together out of respect you don't post it anymore but like I mean if because why she looks

Priyalike a hoe I mean your girl's still known as a husband because she looks single exactly you if you're posting that while you're single I'm not saying that I encourage it but it is quote unquote acceptable because you are

Priyaadvertising yourself as single if you continue to post those photos while you're in a in a relationship you are still advertising yourself as though you are single okay I think that's also differences I've never like you guys say Instagram's the biggest dating app in

Kikothe world which I I definitely see how it is for sure but it's I never use my Instagram single or not I've never been like I'm advertising myself sure either of my Instagram is more I mean people I don't

Kikobelieve it here but mine's more of like this is what I'm doing this is what I'm up to this is my life I've never been like oh I'm gonna post this because this is like sexy single like they're gonna see me so I guess that's why my mind is

Kikoa little bit more different because I don't think of if I want to post a bikini picture it's not because I'm like oh I'm looking sexy and I want to post this it's because I was at the beach I live at California I

Priyago to the beach every single day almost I spend a lot of my time here so sure and like there's a difference between posting like a group photo of you and your friends at the beach versus you posing in like a promiscuous pose

Kikoand posting that on social media when he was like me going like like you know I'm smiling whatever I'm from the front but yeah yeah from one to turn around Martin donated 100 thank you ladies follow this

TTS Readeradvice and win date someone a bit older than you yeah ensure that your core beliefs are aligned religion family Etc if he's the right man you'll gladly

Brian Atlasacquiesce to his frame but most men are weak losers more for Brian and me [Laughter] uh thank you marquavius

Michaelaum date wait someone doesn't ensure that your corporation that's good if he's the right man yeah do you mind if I say something I personally I I don't disagree with dating older personally I would not

Michaelabecause I feel like you're missing out on a lot of life experiences with that person and personally like I want to be broken our 20s together eating Ramen like I think I don't think it's quote

Michaelafun but it's an experience of growing together and that may be a personal value I have of mine but I definitely don't see where that be beneficial for all women I think if you go in with that mentality it forces you to grow up

Danfaster I think that's the other thing a lot of people think like you find the person and now you are who you are if you go into it thinking like we could actually create something very very unique and Powerful together I felt like

DanI wish that I like I wish that I dated differently when I was younger I was kind of Brainwashed the same way that I said a lot of women the way you said a lot of women were earlier like I didn't have like like I

Danalways I think I kind of always knew that I wanted to find a wife and get married but I was like I can wait like I should become a certain type of man I should do this like I do believe that

Danthe advice to men to focus on yourselves and turn yourself into a more desirable option more of a high value man can certainly benefit you in the modern

Dandating world but I think that if men could separate from the end goal and more key in on characteristics that get you to be a high value man

Danthey could get develop those characteristics between the ages of like 16 to 22 and then they will be able to latch on sorry they'll be able to find a girl at that age and they will be able

Danto stimulate her they'll be able to attract her because she will see the ambition and she will see the potential that is definitely something that can happen but men need to start focusing in on those characteristics rather than just abandoning dating

Danaltogether and thinking I'm just going to use the characteristics to get to age 30 and then and then find my my special someone you said that you had something in response to Kiko the the male version was it yeah and the conversation steered

Dana little bit differently so now it's not quite the direct comparison but I do think this is an important thing to bring up I think there there's a very very like direct core a direct

Danparallel that you can draw between women's upset women's obsession with social media and men's obsession with porn I think that when you really break it down the currencies you hear this all the time the currency for women is

Danattention the currency for men is sex right and if you wanted to just put it into a very very simple parallel if a man was was like watching a lot of porn when he was single because he just

Danwasn't getting laid all that often he needed to like get off satisfy himself um and then he got together with you and he was just like yeah I'm just going to keep watching a lot of porn and I'm going to keep just like doing that he

Kikowould probably find that to be weird okay so I mean I'm not trying to be argumentative sake but my response to that would be I would never date a man who walked consumes a

Danlot of porn to begin with so I wouldn't have that problem okay but why are men consuming porn it's because they're not getting laid so when he starts getting laid first of all he's

Danprobably going to think to himself I don't need porn as much because now I can get off having sex or through some other form of intercourse and he's going to think to himself I should probably just stop doing this for

Kikomy partner I should start acting like a man who's in a relationship and not you know going to wherever I go to like open up my laptop and just pleasure myself I mean I've literally out of my long-term

Kikorelationships I I know when they say that they're not lying they don't watch porn they were never porn consumers to begin with I don't find I'm not really usually attracted to men who do I'm not saying that's

KikoI mean I am saying it could be a bad thing to over consume but not is a problem with men the over consumption of porn but there's not all men obviously that over consume porn but if I did have that issue I do see your overarching

Kikopoint um that's kind of like what my response is like I feel like you could just not have to worry about this if you just don't date someone who's doing that

Milanso do you think that like um porn in general for men like like oh sorry

Milanum like who determines uh the value of porn like who the consumer right right right so are you I'm just confused on what you're saying so you're saying that like

Dancan you elaborate on what you're saying no what I'm saying is men go to porn to satisfy their like innate mating need they're lacking their lack of sex their

Dansexual desire women go to social media to get the attention from men it's like the very very cycle that feeds itself yes women are seeking attention so that they then have an opportunity with the man who they're trying to get the

Milanattention from men are looking for sex but what would you say about the women that have like only fans or pornhub or something like that that like all of in the comments basically are just a bunch of Haram quote-unquote simps like those

Milanaren't men that high value men that like women actually want those are men those are men that like they would want to take advantage of and take money from wait what okay

JennaI'll always tell you right now that I have simps that you guys would quote unquote call them Sims but I like them

Jennano I have relationships with most of these guys before they even pay me to find relationships yeah you know what I mean like friendships and then like I know these people they're not friends if

Jennathey want to see you naked they desire they desire you from a phone you find that hard to believe truly that they're not friends with me just because they're true because it's really strange as a

Kikowoman you probably had multiple friends that are friends that are men men and I definitely want to see yourself I would still consider them a friend even if that was their I mean that's crazy

Billy Rayif I had a male friend that subscribed if I made it online

Kikoyour statement was he's not your friend if he wants to see you naked but I'm saying if you're an attractive woman that has male friends there's a good chance that even if you're still your true friend they want to see you naked I

Priyaagree with that statement but we're talking about somebody in the event that they have a paid platform where they can literally subscribe and pay to see you naked I would never ever ever if in some random world I had that sort of platform

KikoI would never be friends with somebody that would subscribe to something like that yeah no I'm just saying I think I'm completely wrong I wasn't talking about the overall thing no I think you're just

Jennalike a fantasy from afar if they're asking they're paying ten dollars you have to realize that a lot of these people like I come from a small area okay they can subscribe to anybody else

Kikoon only fans I guess they could right but I guess they're putting money in my pocket instead right well a lot of the appeal of only fans too is like why these women do so well their first month and then like don't do well anymore is

Kikobecause a lot of men who've known them their whole life wanted to subscribe in the beginning just to see like this girl they've known their whole life they have a chance to see them naked it is a big

Danit does happen a lot yes doesn't that just prove her Point yeah that it's not friendship that it's not friends definition this is the depth you want to talk about nice guy no I was the

Kikolongest nice guy yes I'm literally just pointing out her like individual statements think of what she's talking about which is how statements can get construed is

Danwhat I'm saying no it's not about whether or not he's allowed to be your friend like you can I'll say it like you can think that he's your friend and he will treat you with respect he'll be nice to you he'll be

Dankind to you he'll do things for you he might even like confide in you allow you to confide in him but the moment the moment that you were like I want something more let's let's have sex do you have sex with your friends

JennaI have then they're not friends friendship is platonic I consider Friends with Benefits okay though so you guys probably don't see things on that same level you're probably not in the same

Danviews as I have so okay so like let's just say that you were let's just say that you were like dating like you are dating a guy right now right

Danlike yeah you're dating guy right now if you had these like male friendships like friendships with guys who like subscribed to you like actually

Danintimately desire you they're like they're they're admitting that like and they're able to see you naked right like like how does he feel knowing that there are like other men that you

Danwould consider to be like close Intimate Relationships he saw it also he's not my only fans with me well but my partners are my only fans with me he

Danmakes content with her with her he is also a sex worker wow this is like the most full circle

Kikoyou know like times and that's like the whole point when it brings up like so you're find someone who's for you who's like you meet someone with the same values as you things the same things you're comfortable with that's the whole thing

Milanthat was not the point of the conversation or the point of the conversation was whether the men on your only fans can be your friends or not and friendship is platonic by definition therefore they cannot be your friends because you're an object of desire and sexual affection that's just how it

Jennaworks I find that hard to believe but well it's the truth I think you're wrong you think I'm wrong so agree to disagree I think they can value but only to a certain extent are they are they in person like do you know

Milanthese guys in person or some of us do the guys in person that are your friends pay you for nudes sometimes yes no comment

Brian AtlasI withdrawal zero zero comment I quit you rest your case that's my case all right fair enough we'll see sort of

Brian Atlastaking it back to uh this thing about the differences between men and women you called Nick can you close actually

Brian AtlasI was like drinking like three celsius since I've been here I have something from a Twitter account unfortunately I can't say the name

Brian Atlasbecause it's a little bit uh you know a little bit Haram so um but it relates to our discussions of kind of the posting revealing photos on Instagram or

Brian Atlasbut more precisely uh men not wanting their Partners going out to bars and clubs and parties and whatnot so and you more often hear you more often

Brian Atlashear men objecting to their Partners going out to nightclubs bars et cetera et cetera at least for me personally I would not want to uh I would not take a woman seriously who goes out to bars and

Brian Atlasclubs and parties the difference is is that women run passive game and this I'm creating this to uh let's just say ldg on Twitter they don't approach men but

Brian Atlasthey put themselves in positions where they could be approached by men clubs for example they won't DM a man but they'll post a picture to lure him into dming them so this comes back to our topic of you know the revealing photos

Brian Atlasright mainstream media doesn't want you to know this men are salesmen women are marketers but most guys are too naive and lack the capacity for nuanced thinking to be able to identify this

Brian Atlasdistinction in a committed relationship a man should stop pitching and the woman should stop advertising so fair proposition so advertising posting revealing photos on Instagram going to

Brian Atlasthe nightclub bar Etc but most men are fooled into believing that just because their woman isn't also initiating conversations with other men that everything is good she was never initiating conversations to begin with

Brian Atlasthat's not how she operates we utilize different strategies to get similar outcomes as a guy you stop talking to women you gave up your Edge but she never stopped putting herself out there that's why she already had a replacement

Brian Atlasfor you after the breakup because she never stopped marketing she was generating leads the whole time uh and then there's a bit more about he's making an analogy when it comes to

Brian Atlasrhinos and stuff um it makes sense yeah uh so

Kikodoes it make sense kind of I I see the comparison I get what they're getting at and that definitely is something I see how it happens and that's for some people but yeah I guess

Kikobecause like it doesn't matter to me it doesn't the amount I post does not change if I'm single or not like what I post doesn't change if I'm single or not because I guess I'm not posting

Kikothings to begin with that are single activity and like yes you say like we're advertising ourselves but I know should we pull up your Instagram Kiko go for it the like worst

Kikopart of my night and my friends nights if we do go out like when we would go out is men approaching us that's probably the worst part of your nights I I don't go out I don't have any friends either I actually know I won't say anything

Brian Atlason the table by the way I'm just Jesus Christ why are there so many cups on the table okay um sorry continue um I do have some friends that you know are

Kikomore fast as we would call them that will talk to men like um 304 you guys would call it um but no like I I'm not going out for

Kikomen to talk to me I'm going out because maybe I want to have a drink and dance and listen to some good music and talk to myself well you have a you have a boyfriend right now but what about when you're single yes

Kikoyes I don't enjoy men coming up to me and talking to me what about your boyfriend when I was working at the bar at my at the bar I work at I was working though he approached you you just said

Brian Atlasyou don't like it when men do that I don't but that's how you met your current boyfriend or you're now going to marry or you want to marry yeah how do you want men to approach you then they I'm not saying I don't I really don't know I don't think there's anyone

Kikoconcise way I guess my boyfriend how he did it I was working he came up to my bar him to me said hey how you doing um you got a drink and he was like he told me he's finally attractive and he asked for my phone number I told him I

Kikodon't give out my phone number uh um my job you have my Instagram he is he sent me a message on Instagram hey how about that number gave him my number we started talking from there wait hold on will that work for

Kikoeverybody no that won't work for everybody he's a very attractive man so it worked for him on the podcast do you think he'd be down um he would be he would I I don't know how that will go though what would he

Brian Atlasbeat me up or something no don't um no you don't disrespect me um we are very different we should we should have him on you

Kikodon't yeah ask him if he's down ask him if he's down I don't know no please let's do it let's do it honestly whatever no like I don't like I'm not a confrontational person that's

Kikokind of like how we work we we disagree on a lot of things because I am okay with not being right I know the comments will agree with that but on my normal life I'm fine with not

Kikobeing okay with everything I'm fine with like agreeing to disagree or walking away with him thinking you know that he's right above all but on here we're supposed to discuss things further

Brian Atlasand we do good on our own but I don't want outside things to affect our relationship wait so one question bringing it back to the whole like approaching thing right so

Brian Atlasyou said that you don't like it when men approach you when you're out yeah partying or whatever just the other girls here very nagging other girls here at the table like if you're at the bar let's assume you're single you're at the

Brian Atlasbar like do you generally you dislike it when men approach you in these environments just here we'll go around the table really quick quick answer I don't drink I smoke weed

Brian Atlasokay can you repeat the question do you like women approach you yeah just ask yeah of course okay yeah yes yes sorry so you like it or you you like

Priyait when men approach you or you dislike it when men approach you I like it you like it okay you like it if it's in a tasteful manner yeah sure

Billy RayBilly I mean never put myself in a situation when I was sorry I never put myself in a situation when I was single to have a guy approach me in a bar or club because I just didn't go to them so

Brian AtlasI would get approached at a grocery store and if it was done in the right way then that's fine with me okay so some different answers there I I feel like a lot of women though who might complain about all these men it's so

Billy Rayannoying they approach me my surroundings you're gonna find well this is in response to everybody but not just you but go ahead I think you're going to find if you're in a club you're most likely going to get a drunk man approaching you and it's probably not

Dangoing to be one of the most tasteful manner so that's probably why a lot of girls are turned off by it because that's where they're being approached most you are most likely to have success picking up a girl if you pick her up in a way where her anxiety is low that is

Danlike can we all agree with that yes okay that's why I always encourage guys to utilize Day game as it's known like I tell guys hey do you have a dog hey girls over the dog park it's a great Place coffee shops like hey do you know

Danthe Wi-Fi password easy conversation starter little things like that but I want to just bring this back a little bit to what you were saying because you're like when you go out you don't like when guys approach you

Danand then you I asked you how do you want guys to approach you so you whenever you're out and you I mean basically the only time that a guy can approach you is when you're out of the house right like

Danunless he breaks in and he's like dating it right so another problem so so like what's your ideal scenario because I mean it's probably not approaching you at work either you're

Kikobusy so like what's your ideal scenario that's why I will agree that it is in that sense it's not really making I'm not making it easy for men in that way

Kikoum maybe that's why I I don't know it's just it is hard to be Tastefully done it it is a tricky thing to do it does help when you're more attractive but there's even been attractive men who approach me

Kikoand I'm still like I'm just not in the mood to discuss or talk so I can't really give a clear answer for that I guess it's because kind of like how I grew up and I feel like a lot of people grew up before this social media and

Kikolike we have so many options nowadays is you date it people who you already knew so it wasn't about approaching it was about we have similar

Kikofriends we come from the same area so we've met before so it's not really like like it's not like I'm meeting you for the first time you see me I'm attracted to you you come up across to me and you

Kikopitch to me I nine times out of ten I'm not gonna like that so that's why usually it was dating people from knowing their family growing up around them so yeah I don't want this to come across like I'm attacking I promise you

DanI'm not like so so what you're talking about right now is one of the biggest frustrations for men in dating you you posed again another q a you

Billy Rayasked guys what are your biggest fears approaching women what were the predominant things that came back rejection

Kikoum judgment on his appearance um creepy yeah well that's one thing I could say though and I will if a man comes up to me I'm never

Kikolike Ill get away from me I'm not going to talk to you some girls are yeah I never said they weren't I'm saying we're talking about me though personally even though I don't like for men to approach me I've never once been like ew get away from me or been rude or of the sorts if

KikoI'm in a relationship I'll just quickly be like oh I'm so sorry can I see where you're going with this I am in a relationship or when I was single I would be like oh I'm so sorry I'm not interested in dating right now or I'll just lie and say I am in a relationship

Kikomake it really sweet short nothing I would never attack them though that's two different things so you're saying that it's like nagging it's annoying would you also agree though that it's

Kikonecessary I I do see how they have to yeah they have to shoot their shot they have to get out there in some form so I'm not saying that's why I'm not I have not said don't do it I haven't advocated for men to not approach women I'm just saying personally I don't like it

Madisonbecause right now they're hearing you and like like they're hearing me but all every single I think only Maddie was the only one who said that I feel like they all said they like it right like the setting matters say like you're in a cup like Billy said

Madisonlike mostly it's gonna be drunk men that are approaching you I I don't necessarily like being in like okay well I'm like 18 but like if I were in a bar

TTS Readeror club Mr and this call Casey unders coordinated 100.69 Eco it concerns me that you wouldn't want to invite your BF on the Pod sounds like that you are scared that what

Kikoyou're saying is not well thought out and your BF wouldn't want to ruin his reputation for agreeing with delusion I mean regardless if he's on here or not we're still dating so like that has negates the whole thing he watches the

Kikoepisodes we still discuss it that's not what I'm concerned about I know we can have logical debates and discussions where we disagree just us two I don't want to bring us on this podcast where there's

Kiko10 other people sitting here in a whole panel in TTS where they could start saying things and emotions can start Rising where you were we could start feeling a type of way that we wouldn't

Kikothat we aren't necessarily causing each other but outside factors like I feel like that's a very you just don't know this environment is healthy for the relationship yeah maybe when we're longer in but we're only seven months in

Kikowe already have a lot of healthy debates as it is I don't think you want to throw in too much controversy into relationship this early on Brian can I ask you a question sure

Milanum you know he said that like you wouldn't date a girl that goes out to clubs or bars or anything like that yeah like what about if she lives in like a metropolitan like City area where like everything is a barn she just like eats

Milanout by herself and like that's a bar setting do you know what I mean like I feel like context matters if you're going out to a nightclub in like the middle of Middle America that is like

Milanmaking an like an effort to like go out be seen be noticed but if you're in like New York the like the bar is right next to your apartment you're gonna go there for food you're gonna go there for like a drink maybe by yourself you're not

Milannecessarily putting yourself out there it just has to do with the fact that you live in a metropolitan area so I've never been to like a stereotypical like nightclub with like sparklers and uh all of that I don't know but like some

Milanpeople would consider a club like a bar that plays music and has like a small room for dancing that fits like 25 people so like where do you draw the line on that

Brian Atlasthere's no such thing as restaurants no but like like most of the restaurants if you're in New York you're in the metropolitan City you must if you you have to go to a bar

Milanyou mentioned going to eat like have you heard of a restaurant no of course but like there's restaurants I know but in New York like it's always like a bar restaurant it's always like the same thing just sit at a table it's

Brian AtlasChipotle is there a bar at Chipotle in New York well uh to be fair I don't eat fast food but how dare you to fame Chipotle I demand an apology I apologize to Chipotle sorry

Brian Atlasum I mean somebody that engages if it's 3 P.M or I don't know

Brian Atlaswhat you're saying she goes and the bar happens to double as a restaurant and she's getting food I don't have that's not an issue that that creates conflict right because

Danthere is a setting where people are getting drunk and there's like for lunch it's New York I think this is fairly self-evident like Priya hit on it yeah it's it's when a woman demonstrates

Danparty like like consistent attention seeking honestly like sexualized mainly behavior and we all know what that looks like

Priyayeah it's very black and white it's not there's not a large gray area yeah that steps in I disagree because like I I can sit at a restaurant like that's a bar restaurant outside like not engaging and

Billy Raypartying like Behavior okay by myself when we were dead and I so I walked into a place I I was texting you I had nowhere to eat and it was in

Billy RayTimes Square and I walked in the only spot was at the bar so I sat at the bar I ate my chicken and then I left that's what I'm talking about that's why yeah but that's um that was the question guys that was the question about where the

Billy Rayboundary is drawn like that was the whole point this is exactly welcome to my question but this is what he's saying it's okay it's okay if you're just going there to get food and not getting up I just went to get food and that was it yeah and you would agree right but

Priyahow do you distinguish intention right was what I did okay what's the intent I don't know what time I'm pretty sure dinner no it's like so very acceptable people will have to eat but if you're

Priyagoing out and whether it's by yourself or with a group of people if you're out there partying with a bunchier girlfriends regardless that is partying Behavior it's not black and white if you're going to go get food no

Milanmatter what time of day it is and you just go eat you might have a conversation with somebody and then you leave but that doesn't but the point is is that that's still considered a bar and men can still approach you so like

Michaelathat's why I was saying partaking in the bar culture yes uh to be fair when you asked that question I was thinking more on the lines of that because I don't party but I do go to bar to eat bar food right and like maybe drink them that's

Brian Atlasfine that's what I'm saying that's totally fine more so like the intention right that was my question are you going out with your girlfriends getting lit that's what I was saying how frequently are you going to the bar and are you

Danjust posting up there by yourself how frequently are men approaching you there how are you dressed when you go there like like these are things again it's

Dansexualizing yourself and to quote what is it a ldg like to quote him I don't want to say I saw um marketing yourself how are you marketing

Brian Atlasyourself that's really it by the way quick note um next person there's a banana here uh the next TTS say a name they have to eat

Kikothe banana okay um I'm severely allergic to bananas come on I swear to God really I oh I literally have my EpiPen in my purse right now I'm allergic to a lot so you're prepared to eat them no I'm

Brian Atlaskidding if you all want to take me to Cottage Lynn no I will literally actually that'd be pretty good content so if they say your name oh my gosh that's the main event

Brian Atlasthere you go wait do you have an EpiPen yeah where do you put it in my thigh okay here let's do this okay oh my gosh I'm dying can

Brian Atlasyou go get it from your purse and just put it on the table just for liability purposes

Billy Raywhat EpiPen yourself no can I just say the whole chat has thought you were uncomfortably rubbing my shoulder the whole time his arm his arm is not touching it's on the chair it's on the

Billy Raychair I just want to clear that up it's been being said for the past three hours they're also boyfriend and girlfriend yeah so is that your EpiPen it does look weird she literally

Brian Atlasyellow honestly okay here's the thing though you can only you can only use the EpiPen

Brian Atlasafter a subsequent TTS so we have to see you basically die expectate basically that yes until the next one comes anything for the content that is

TTS Readerthe new game oh my God uh let's pull up the twitch twitch shot and then we'll pull up Kiko's oh right on DT donated we are discussing boundaries in

TTS Readerrelationships not drafting Federal legislation if you want risk for a nightclub and going outward to dance and show off your body in a party type environment where alcohol is consumed in

Brian Atlasmass quantities that's bad yeah and we we have those kind we have those here in Santa Barbara like a lot of places that are restaurants during the day uh there are bars at night so

Kikolike I don't know if that's where you work is kind of like that I feel like that we closed our kitchen yeah Sandbar like it's very common here honestly a lot of places to do it a lot of places to scheme so we have that here

Kikotoo so it's like I have a question for you guys like okay so oh my God this Becky Lisa okay um so like Saturday for example or

TTS Readerprobably I think it's Friday or Saturday whatever uh I uh uh Martin donated 100 Brian have a great idea for live stream

TTS ReaderI'll fly in on the jet pick you Priya and your girl up fly anywhere you'll want in the U.S to eat record everything you'll have to wear real pants they

TTS Readerwon't let you in the restaurant otherwise

Brian AtlasI said Brian first didn't they yeah but no I mean obviously it's just a Kiko like me wait like how bad would it be though

Kikomy throat will close and about like you have maybe like a minute and 30 seconds that's six minutes that's six million would be 12. we're going to be what if you get all of

Brian Atlasthe ad Revenue oh if I wait question what about the TTS question if I peel the banana and

Brian AtlasI just like chucked it at you and it hit you in like the face huh would you would you have an allergic reaction from that or do you have to like consume I would never do that very good question because skin contact like

KikoI'm allergic to a lot of things but the reason why I'm allergic to bananas is like an uh oral Allard pollen allergy so I'm allergic to different fruits and Foods depending on the season due to the

Kikopollen that they're surrounded by so I don't know it might give me like hives or something actually if it was since I'm allergic to the pollen content itself I don't know I I've only had

Kikothese allergies for like four years it's been terrible okay all right oh anyways back to my question uh yeah what was your question it's about the topic we had beforehand

Kikoum so on Friday night I had a day off night off from work so me my boyfriend wanted to go out and get some drinks dancing whatever it's what we enjoy do

TTS Readertechnically kind of how we met so Martin donated 100 yeah thank you 30 seconds is a lifetime eat up I'm sure

Kikoyou'll be fine you have a med tech on the panel Air Force by the way maybe if you like would have followed the directions in the first place and not said Brian's name first and said mine we

Kikocould have technicality anyways so we're gonna get dressed up we're gonna go out on Friday night I don't have ever say that before but my boyfriend has an identical twin brother that's dating my best friend

Kikohe's out of town he was out of town for the moment she came up we also were across the street neighbors so my best friend I came over when we were getting ready after work and she was like oh I kind of want to go out to like I'm bored I have nothing to do because her

Kikoboyfriend's um at their parents house she got dressed up with us my boyfriend wasn't feeling that good anymore his stomach was starting to hurt so he was saying he was like honestly I don't

Kikoreally want to go since devano wants to go now do you guys just want to go he was going to allow me to go to technically bars clubs with my friend as far as what I was wearing I was

Kikotechnically I think wearing like a different version of this bodysuit basically like same jeans like this and some like kitten heels um would that do you guys see that as a huge problem if I were to do something

TTS Readerlike that he did end up going we all end up going together by the way for a point but Martin donated 100 Kiko no one cares about your story tell

Brian Atlasus about yourself Priya by the way markovius um yeah I don't think we're gonna press Kiko too much on the banana thing so if you want to uh I did not sign a waiver for that if so

Brian Atlasyeah there's some liability there probably um if uh you want to uh have someone else do it I suppose

TTS Readerhe wants you to speak about yourself Priya do you wanna any safaris planned donated 100 pigments Bill contest cute

TTS ReaderCuban eat banana to Alabama what Den Marksman scores

MichaelaI guess shooting guns oh and though I almost made Marksman I was off by like I was off by like but like uh like one

Priyaor so maybe two nice nice uh Cuban is that you is that you you're Puerto Rican Puerto Rican yeah uh I believe he's talking about you though so

Brian Atlasyeah you're supposed to it looks a little at the bottom it doesn't look great so I guess just the top that's what she said just all right there you go marquavish wait

Billy Raywas that who said that who why a banana think about it no I know that but really what do you mean same reason why they

Brian Atlasdon't want girl hair to cover our face you're not in favor of the banana Billy look Billy doesn't like she's not amused me too I'm like content honestly I

Danwasn't I think you should probably Okay so and again this might be an unpopular opinion amongst what else and I don't say radical to be offensive I mean radical in the literal

Dansense of being like very radical in your beliefs right very strict very principled um I the the situation that you just laid out

Danlike first of all that's his preference yeah that's his boundary he has a level of trust with you and he also probably recognizes that you wanted him to come out but now it was more about okay well

Dannow she wants to go out I don't want her to have to go out I don't want to say no because then she's going to say no right yeah so if he wants to do that and he wants to allow you to do that that's fine that's his prerogative some

Kikoguys might feel very uncomfortable with that would you be uncomfortable with that so like the exact same scenario like say she she was getting ready she already has her makeup hair everything done and then last minute you're like I don't think I really want to go anymore

Danbut she still has her friends particular absolutely not because if she because every time that she has either been invited to go out and do something with our friends in Florida um she basically looks at me and says

Danlike are you okay if I go with me going out but where have I gone out like no just just occasionally you'll go to Lake Beach Drive or something like that like very rarely like it's extremely rare but

Danlike but this is I went to a self-defense class that was the last time that was the last time she went out and did something without me with like her girlfriend she went did a self-defense class but anyways I don't know I think that that's

Danit's like an incredibly nuanced like thing where like would it be an uncomfortable situation as a guy it's not the most comfortable situation because you're not there to keep you

Dankeep an eye on your girl who you know men are going to be objectifying probably pursuing probably chasing that makes it uncomfortable but at a certain point like you gotta

Kikotrust your girl to say no and you can't control that in like everyday situations right that's where I was getting that because I feel like that's healthy you know to have that like you know it's not so black and

Kikowhite all the time because honestly if I would have come to him like I want to go out with devonna Friday by myself without you he would have been like you're gonna lose it it's also it's also pattern recognition like have you done it one time and what was the timing of

Danit like like did we just have a fight yeah you know what I mean like girls will weaponize this stuff that's that that's one of the big things it's pattern recognition so like if she gets invited out by somebody

Danand it's just completely random I'm gonna be like yeah of course you can go out like I know I know where you're going it's very very close I know the people that's fine um but if it's like okay you've asked

Danthis week okay now that next week comes you're asking again okay now it's been three weeks in a row after months and months and months of you never wanting to go now it's pattern recognition it's like hey can we talk about this like why do

Danyou want to go out again like that's what guys need to get better at like it's not necessarily like the boundary is good the concept the concept and the principle of women not going out and marketing themselves at a club is a good one for women to follow and it's a

Dangood one for men to have in the back of their mind but what I just talked about the pattern recognition that is an incredibly important nuanced thing to make sure that the relationship is healthy and the girl again doesn't feel like she's being anxiously controlled

Kikoyeah that's true I think yeah it's kind of like a philosophy we have that we've said before we haven't really hasn't come up yet because honestly I don't we don't really do things too much apart from each other but it's kind of like we

Kikoalways want the invitation to be there so like if yeah he wants to go out that weekend with his boy like his guy friends or whatever if he's like hey I'm thinking about going out you want to come with us if I don't want to go go

Kikofor it but for you to come to me and be like oh we're all doing this just guys no one else that's another big thing you wanted him to go with you originally and then the plan changed so that's why he was like he know he knew my my goal was

KikoI wanted to be out there with him tonight right that was the main goal so it's like the same thing if I wanted to have a girls weekend per se it's more of so is like if he wanted to come could he come yeah if he can then he yes but if I'm trying to do something if either of

Kikous are trying to do something or the other is not allowed per gender or Reason yeah that's not cool like why what's up Ryan yep knee break I think this is where Madison has to take over

Madisonhis host well I didn't even finish my thought earlier about like uh what were we talking about men approaching yeah

Danyou were like oh my God you spoke I didn't even hear it

MadisonI'm just like so out of it right now but um I'm not saying like I don't like when men approach me in general yeah in a club bar setting I wouldn't want a drunk man to approach me that's like a little

Madisondifferent but the way my current boyfriend and I met he approached me like on the beach I thought that was nice like I'm not just saying that I don't necessarily like when men approach

Madisonme because I know that's what they have to do in order to you know find a solid girl but how uh how do you guys feel about approaching men I don't mind it I've done it I don't

Priyahave too much of a problem with it it's not something that I often actively do but if if a opportunity presented itself and I felt the urge to I'm not opposed

Milanbut it's not my first choice I always want to but way too scared like way too intimidated to ever go up to a man and be like hey I'm interested in you like I'll afraid of rejection because yes

Milanyeah no I know and the men in my DMs are consistently afraid of rejection they're like how do we avoid rejection I'm like you don't you face it you deal with it you move forward but then I have sort of a double standard for myself

Milanum as I would be afraid to approach a man because of rejection so there is a double standard there Alabama you were going to say something yeah

Michaelayeah Liars but personally I feel like if a man thought I was attractive I liked me he would come see me you know like it wouldn't have to be like this tension like I would have to go to him you know if he if he likes what he sees he's gonna it's

Kikothis whole thing about wanting to be secure that he really wants me and he's not just we're not just together because I initially yeah I think you were the only option I just have to defend myself really quick Billy objected to my use of

Brian Atlasthe banana prop I would just like to point out I have other fruit too I have these are nectarines Billy and I have some blueberries in there too and in the fridge I have loquats

Brian Atlaswhat's up what thanks Brian do you want Billy you want a nectarine these are donut nectarines they're very special

Brian Atlaswait okay I'm not gonna feed everyone I just had to defend myself because there was there's accusations that I specifically picked a banana you totally did because

TTS Readeroh absolutely in his house sometimes oh will you not give up those sweatpants for one day and Priya it's a double date

TTS Readerbecause after you meet me I'll need Brian to protect me from your advances

Brian Atlasuh so your original message was great idea for a live stream a flying on the jet pick you Priya and your girl up fly anywhere you'll y'all want in the U.S to eat anywhere anywhere uh record

Brian Atlaseverything you'll have to wear real pants they won't let you in the restaurant otherwise what if it's like a White Castle what if I want to go to White Castle White Castle Brian I'm not I'm not going

Priyato White Castle right where was the last date you took a girl the last date I took a girl yeah and when

Brian Atlaswhere yeah bro Billy you're coming for me tonight do it um answer

Madisonthe last date I took a girl on in and out and we all tagged along wait what that doesn't really count it doesn't really count um

Billy Rayum trying to think the last date like going out to like a restaurant at the last date where where did it take place I don't know

Brian Atlasit's been that long let's just say uh I can't recall let's just say I'm a discreet individual when it comes to mine does that mean

Kikoyou're dating so that either means two things either you are it goes against everything that you usually say so when you're scared to say it because you're like oh I won't pay on a first date I don't go these fancy dinners I mean like

Brian Atlasfor example like I've TR I've brought people like uh group to the to in and out after the show that is not so I'll treat like I like to treat

Madisonkids but uh what I'm trying to say is that I treat right Madison yeah

Brian Atlasit's a business experience it's right off but uh what's the question

Productionyeah let's start there so I'm trying to think though like the actual date oh it's been years

Brian Atlasno I'm just like because the way I the way how do you date has been 45 years I'm trying to think like that last proper date where I met someone like out

Brian Atlasin public and I wasn't and I wasn't just like come over I'm trying to think the last time I see you're a pumper and dumper no no I don't pump and dump no pump and dump

Brian Atlasthere's pumping there's pumping no dumping I don't pump and dump there's multiple pumps keep them alive I do multiple pumps before you dumb okay there's

Kikomultiple pumps oh I remember I watched no singular pumps four times did you see this on his only fans no I saw this in the last episode I like continuity I like continuity I like

Brian Atlascontinuity I don't like to hook up one time have sex one time no at least three this guy at least three okay you've gotten your field but I'm kidding I kid I kid I kid I want to listen and I

Brian Atlasyou know I want to continue seeing this girl right but I'm trying to think huh leave a girl right now well I didn't hold on who knows what the situation is I like to keep things a little vague to protect the Innocence

Brian AtlasI'm trying to think the actual last date I uh man it's been greater or less than five years

Kikono I've been I've been on dates in your 30s yes okay of course oh my gosh so of course wait I'm trying to use an Integrity here okay I think the most recent one you guys realize I spent

Brian Atlasprobably over 20 to 30. I know nothing about him this specific date was not my typical Mo though so I can tell you what I did basically meant for a girl and we

Brian Atlashad tea that's that's cute okay we just got uh Starbucks you know so yeah

Brian Atlaslike I used to be more like oh let's meet at like uh like a a lounge let's maybe grab a like a glass of wine or whatever I'm not a big drinker but maybe I'd have like a glass

Kikoof wine soap for a first drink day yes what's that I'm you're so for you're not I'm so for it yes a lot of women are against it I'm so for like just getting a drink as

Dana first date a lot of women were against it and they think like elaborate thing you're atypical what's that you are like like like you like I don't want like I

Dandon't like being approached like most women definitely like being approached they might say like it's a little annoying sometimes but like they definitely like being approached most women are like I hate when he just takes me out for drinks he's just trying to get a different drink we don't know each other

Danhe's just trying to get me drunk he's just trying to he's just trying to get some like that that is the person see most women don't want the vibe to be loose no most women want to have their head screwed right on straight I'm like

KikoI met before first of all we haven't met ever so we do this big old long date what if we're not like you know feeling it if it's like a coffee or a drink we can make it short or longer you're not stuck in this big old thing I

Danthink it's a great idea oh I'm not saying it's a bad idea what I'm saying is most women no like most women would rather not be intoxicated on a first date for the native 99

TTS Readerwe have entered into a world of loose morals and easy sex especially with Instagram and only Vans no True Value relationships anymore between that and

TTS Readerskewed family law in one sex's favor why would men bother seeking to find a wife these days

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