PSYCHO Feminist KICKED OUT?! 1 RAGE QUIT?! CRYING?! Andrew Wilson! E-girls! | Dating Talk #126

Date: 2023-12-11

Duration: 7h 21m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSavannah (DT126)>

AAshley (DT126)>

AAthena (DT126)>

AAndrew Wilson >

KKiki (co-host DT126)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_02Ashley(guest)

SPEAKER_03V (Velvet)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_05Mia / Jeff Dye(guest)

SPEAKER_06Ashley(guest)

SPEAKER_07Cara(guest)

SPEAKER_08Athena(guest)

SPEAKER_09Savannah(guest)

SPEAKER_10Kiki(guest)

SPEAKER_11Athena(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteAthena reveals she accidentally reported a suspected credit card fraudster to hotel security while drunk, causing him to disappear for two months.

“I just go I know he's doing crime to the concierge... and then he just disappeared off the face of the Earth for two months”

ControversyAthena attempts to leave mid-show for first time, citing discomfort and a 'male platonic friend' getting mad.

“I think I just want to go... I don't know I just not feeling it”

ControversyV/Vel confronts Brian about not greeting guests before the show. Brian deflects; Andrew calls her a 'spoiled brat'. Jeff de-escalates.

“I kind of feel disrespected”

OtherAshley (pink shirt/SPEAKER_06) leaves the show after Andrew Wilson calls her a 'skank' on air. Andrew declines to apologize.

“he called me skank... Andrew do you want to apologize... under no circumstances I stand by what I said”

OtherBrian invites Kiki (off-camera co-host) to join the panel mid-show to replace the departed Ashley.

“welcome Kiki you're going to contribute far more to this conversation than that woman”

OtherAthena walks off panel in tears after seeing hostile live chat comments. Returns ~5 minutes later.

“I just need a little break... I've never been in a situation like this before”

QuoteV/Vel discloses she punched two police officers on separate occasions and broke into an ex's apartment with a patio chair, stealing his social security card.

“I got really lucky... I have um no record... punched a cop in the face which is a felony and I got a citation”

QuoteV/Vel discloses history with SeekingArrangements (sugar dating/sex work) while calling herself a traditional woman and radical feminist.

“there is no such thing as going on a date with a guy and thinking you're not going to have to touch them... that is 100% you're paying for sex”

ControversyV/Vel escalates from general feminist claims to asserting the vast majority of men are innately pedophiles. Brian, Jeff, and Andrew push back demanding evidence. Brian prepares to kick her off.

“I think the vast majority yes innately yes biologically yes... if granted the opportunity to get away with having sex with a 15-year-old girl with no repercussions they would do it”

ControversyBrian kicks V/Vel off the show after she claims the vast majority of men are pedophiles by nature.

“get the get the off the show... out you go”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

Guests introduce names, ages, occupations, and locations. Brian introduces Andrew Wilson as call-in guest. Relationship status round.

Age gaps and dating older men

Athena's relationship with a 29-31yo real estate billionaire at age 18. Debate over whether age gaps are inherently problematic. Billionaire details questioned by Andrew.

Feminist identity / definitions of feminism

Discussion of who identifies as feminist, definitions from first through fourth wave feminism, TERF positions, radical feminism vs. traditionalism. V/Vel's contradictory self-labeling as both radical feminist and traditional woman is central.

Women's legal equality and abortion rights

Whether men and women are legally equal in the US. Athena argues women are disadvantaged; Brian and Andrew counter that men lack bodily autonomy (selective service). Abortion debate briefly touched.

Prison reform and incarceration

Sparked by men's bodily autonomy / military conscription discussion. Athena states she 'doesn't believe in prison'; debate over rehabilitation vs. punishment, private vs. federal prisons.

Greater male variability hypothesis and intelligence

Brian raises the greater male variability hypothesis. Andrew explains it: men show greater variance in intelligence at extremes. Jeff asks for evolutionary explanation.

V/Vel's criminal history and confrontational behavior

V/Vel discloses two arrests for battery on police officers, breaking into ex's apartment with a patio chair, stealing his social security card and passport. Tensions escalate. Brian accuses her of trolling. Andrew calls her 'spoiled brat'.

Sex work, OnlyFans, and sugar daddies

V/Vel discloses sex work past on SeekingArrangements. Cara (Mia) discloses current adult content work. Discussion of OnlyFans typers, parasocial relationships, fraud concerns, whether OnlyFans negatively impacts relationship prospects. Catholic faith vs. sex work reconciliation.

Male oppression vs. female oppression

Wide-ranging debate: military conscription, sentencing disparities, police brutality statistics, wage gap debunking, circumcision at birth. Brian argues male oppression (draft) dwarfs all female grievances combined. Athena concedes some points.

Dating standards: height, first-date payment, traditionalism

Height preferences around the table. Whether men should pay on first dates. Brian's argument that traditional treatment must be earned in the modern dating market.

OnlyFans, typers, and romance scam theory

Brian develops theory that OnlyFans typers constitute legal fraud/false advertising/romance scam. Discussion of parasocial dynamics, men spending large sums expecting emotional connection.

Wage gap debate

Brian debunks wage gap citing hours worked, job type, seniority, education. Compares to male workplace injury/death gap. Cara (Mia) defends her mother's welding career as example.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasfun your current your current guy orious college person I don't know either uh you do girl girl too I isn't that also

Brian Atlasprobably not totally in line with Catholic okay um so boy girl girl girl uh okay good times all right cool all right I'm Jewish and I do all this but

AthenaJudaism show wait what Judaism is like way more chill like it's like fine yeah like we have this orod dox oh they're not chill but like most Jews are like hella chill

Athenacuz our God is like not like that mad like wait well hold on but the old the Old Testament is like super intense yeah but like Jewish people are like like you can go into a synagogue and be like I'm

Brian AtlasJewish I don't believe in God and they're like let's talk about it yeah cuz it's about the exploration of it you know okay all right um any final thoughts from anybody before we uh wrap up the show yeah that girl was

Mia / Jeff Dyecrazy yeah I'd like to say that uh 99.99999% of people when they say

Mia / Jeff DyeChristlike they're referring to you know kindness not when Jesus held a whip once thank you I think he knew what I meant when I said Christ like I don't know why

CaraI'm holding on to that okay I'm afraid to be in the general area for the next 8 days like she's because of her I'm not going to lie that did kind of worry me cuz she previously like where I was

Kikistaying and I was like what the I only like aity but I just scary demon like she's so and we insulted her and

Brian Atlasshe's just out in the world and you know what SC things remember I mean if anything I'm the one that like talked mad to her and like kicked her off

Mia / Jeff Dyethe show and she knows I don't know if you live here oh my God I'm far away she knows a place that you are oh my God I yeah well I more than anything she's

Mia / Jeff Dyejust going to spin this as like they were like obsessed with me and after I left they kept talking like she's just more likely going to you know R I think she's probably

Brian Atlaslaugh out of I bet she super super super super insecure I bet she's super in was obvious was it hope that Peter Peter's not real r p in yo free Peter

Brian Atlashash # free Peter R can we get that trending um so

Brian Atlasuh yeah oh wait hold on let me pull up some of the chats uh one sec guys uh we have stochastic Decay to quote God Bingo

Brian AtlasBingo Bingo that we should we should add that to the soundboard uh it's just Jeff 1 John 39 ESV no one born of God makes a practice

Brian Atlasof sinning for God God's seed abides in him and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God that's from Just Jeff oh and then sastic decay

Brian Atlascan someone check in on thank you man um any other final thoughts from anybody um any final thoughts do these all get pulled up yeah I just pulled oh pull up that one from

Brian AtlasJessica she already posted a story on IG on IG saying she has so much Intel on them what oh that's so scary let's see that's so scary let's see your

Brian Atlaspost yeah can we bring that up this is obsessive no I don't we're not going to we not going to pull that yeah she wants the attention you're fine don't worry about it um women don't do violent crimes apparently so it's fun God if

Carasomebody breaks into the windows guys I've been hella blackmail before that's like how they act I just I've never met somebody that open like

Kikiso openly shares all the things that they've done yeah like that like no preface either like when I said I bet did bad things I was like I don't do them anymore I know it was

Brian Atlasbad are we looking for this post I'll see if she's message I know what her name is so I can't even like I don't know

Brian Atlaseither whatever um trying to uh sorry one sec guys I'm just double check oh can we pull up twitch guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a follow and

Brian Atlasa prime sub thank you guys so much for all of you who have uh oh Bo Killa thank you for the five Community sub gifts thank you guys so much for all those uh twitch primes thank you for the follows guys if you're watching on Twitch right

Brian Atlasnow and you're not following please drop us a follow and if you have one available a prime sub thank you guys really appreciate it um I'm trying to think if there's oh anything else did you want to do that last

Brian AtlasTwitter post was there was there a Twitter post one oh I'll save it for I'm going to save it for another uh another show um there's one thing I wanted

Brian Atlasto talk about but I totally forgot what it was um hold on guys ah sorry one sec

Brian Atlasguys uh sorry guys I'm just trying to get this pulled up it's not pulling up uh wait it was something to do with uh oh um did you consider yourself a feminist

Brian AtlasI forgot yeah I said it wait who believes in the patriarchy I don't even know what that is to be honest you I believe you're a good person you believe in that I literally don't know what that means you believe in that don't worry about it I I don't want to are you did

Brian Atlasyou say you're a feminist or minorly yeah wait what minorly minorly a feminist okay I'm rical I'm not the most feminis she dabbles in Catholicism feminism you know

Brian AtlasI'm I mean you heard all my opinions you know I'm not the most feminist feminist that there ever has been kind of a feminist um so you're a feminist do you believe in the patriarchy um do you think that women

Athenawhat what is the patriarchy um it's uh systems both social and politically um that have been in place been put in place that

Athenaum just systematic even even social systems systematically oppress all women that's what the patriarchy is I mean that's I mean that's my understanding I mean genely have no idea

Athenawhat it is that eloquently about like if you gave me a piece of paper and told me to write a paragraph I could probably do better but that's basically my gist okay you know and I'm not saying like it's also there's no absolutes in in these arguments which is worth mention so

Brian Atlaswomen are oppressed yes what is the patriarchy to you if you don't mind I mean there's various different definitions I've heard VAR you can ask 10 feminist and they'll

Brian Atlasall give you 10 different answers as to what the patriarchy is um I mean I've heard the patriarchy is is a society

Brian Atlasbuilt by men for the benefit of men now using that definition I agree with the first part Society in the world has absolutely

Brian Atlasbeen built by men yeah not for the benefit of men though um so I don't think there's like this Grand conspiracy among men like yeah let's

Brian Atlasoppress women no um I think most people choose to achieve they choose to occupy positions of power they want to at least

Brian Atlasthey want to um reach those positions of power not to like oppress women but they do it to better themselves financially and for the sake of their

Brian Atlasfamily like men aren't out there yeah I want to wake up at 5: in the morning and go like do some like physically laborious task for 12 hours so I can oppress women no they're doing it so

Brian Atlasthey can provide for their girlfriend for their wife and for their family and for their kids mhm it's not a it's not a thing where there's a guy and he hates women and he's going to tell her and then he's

Athenagoing to make her pay for it it's just like how we're socialized so that um like for instance I think that women are worst drivers and I think that's because we don't develop the same fine motor

Brian Atlasskills that men do from M um video games and sports ways like that damn that's pretty sexist I don't think that's part of the patriar wow are you I'm say do you hate women is

Athenathat what it socialized I was not socialized to play video games to play misogynistic no encouraged that that's so misogynistic of you to say

Athenathat I'm really offended how dare you it's kind of a funny opinion also we're shorter can't see CS as much word okay so you can't see curs because you're

Brian Atlaslower do you think so do you think women are oppressed in the US are women oppressed less so than they have been but so you're a woman so I'm I'm curious are you

Athenaoppressed yeah I mean it's not like a every day I'm struggling type of deal but in ways yes okay so how are you oppressed um like I'll go to class and I'll be working on a project and I'll

Athenathink my Project's okay and I'm working on it and the guy next to me um he sees I make a mistake and now he's just cheating on me and he's cheating on no one like I can tell that it's very

Athenatargeted and then I walk I I like the one time I walked in the his room and then he took both my wrists and pinned me up against his bed just as like a

Athenaflirting tactic or one time he grabbed my throat cuz I made a joke about how um what wait is this the same guy fitting yeah and it wasn't like traumatic it was just like it was this man is like

Athenainsulting me and he's touching me physically when I don't want it it wasn't like traumatic but it was just kind of like it was like I have to go to school and deal with this and it makes me feel like I'm not as good at school the you know like that it's

Athenalike it's crazy there's it's not you it's not you it's just there's people that do that singular yeah that guy should but it's like he he acts like that because his father acted like that

Brian Atlaslike his father before him you know I'm not saying all men I'm not sure if that's evidence of your oppression though that I don't think that's appropriate behavior but I don't think I don't think you're oppressed because

Carasome gu douchebag it's it's everything that happens to women that wouldn't happen to a man that would happen to a Man Too what I think what you can validate as

Caraoppression which I'm not even saying is entirely true is obviously the notable pay difference with between men and women typically men

Caraare in the position of CEOs owners and all of that which may conclude two erroneous erroneous so sorry my finger SS my bad which is obviously what may

Caraconclude to wom receiving lesser pay all that thing in addition to that when it comes down to representation especially with movements obviously me too

Caraconcludes of majority women so obviously with things like that that can be an oppression where men instead say they're going to degrade the idea of the me too movement just for instance and say oh it's always woman it's always woman and

Caraall these things and that's an oppression Against Woman once again if that patriarchy exists I'm not stating that it does I think there's lots of other positions that can be held but

Brian Atlaswell okay let's first let's let's tackle the wage Gap thing so the wage Gap has been debunked there is no wage Gap how much do you make per month just curious I don't like to share that public do you make five figures a

Brian Atlasmonth let's say that have you ever made six figures in a month yes okay so that puts you in the top 1% of earners in the United States so you out I would say that if you've made six figures in the

Brian Atlasmonth in that given month you've out earned a probably 99% of am men and a female dominated industry also why is it the case you work in only fans for example

Brian Atlaswhy is it the I think do you think we should equalize the gender wage Gap in only fans because that if you're a guy on only fans you men make far less money there's far less opportunity for men to

Caramake money in that realm so do you think that there should be uh equal pay and only fans obviously there is no equal pay and only fans because if there was then obviously I would say yes I think

Brian Atlasthat we should equally get a payment but unfortunately it is literally so personal and so particular let me ask you a question do you do you think that and we can all the girls can weigh on

Brian Atlasthis for example um women in sports do you think women in sports should be paid the same as their male counterparts so for example like WNBA

Brian Atlasplayers female soccer players um trying to think of of other sports uh let's just let's just stick to soccer and uh basketball I would say do you think they

Carashould be paid the same as their male counterparts the reason I I would say that they do not deserve equal pay is solely because of the navigation of a business which obviously the NBA and

CaraWNBA and football leagues or soccer leagues are businesses at the end of the day they generate much more views much more marketing much more interaction with the engagement of audiences for

Caramale dominated sports or male Sports the version of men um so obviously I think because of that with the navigation of all this marketing with all the collaborations with between businesses yes men will obviously be making more

Caramoney and I think that's welld deserved because it just unfortunately gets a lot more engagement and interact interaction sure well okay I don't think that it necessarily plays out into women should get less pay that's not the that's not

Brian Atlaswhat I'm trying to say I'm just Solly saying as a business perspective yes absolutely when it comes to the wage Gap it's it's been debunked um you're welcome to look into it but the reality

Brian Atlasis when you look at the when you hear the commonly sided wage Gap women earn 70 it's always changing by the way 77 cents to the dollar 80 cents to the dollar that a man makes that's not

Brian Atlasaccounting for things like hours worked type of job um seniority educational uh their their educational background which

Brian Atlasalso by the way women are for uh over 40 years women have been outpacing men when it comes to getting uh college degrees and attending universities so we have an

Brian Atlasentire generation of women essentially uh starting in I think 1979 women were going to college at higher rates than men were so basically women who are retiring now for that entire period of

Brian Atlastime there's been more women who've been going to college um what else when it comes to the wage Gap though uh what they don't take into account uh I said hours worked they don't take into

Brian Atlasaccount the type of jobs overpay um men are more likely for example to work overtime men are more likely for example to relocate for a job men are more

Brian Atlaslikely to work dangerous uh dangerous physically laborious dirty and dangerous jobs um for example workplace let's talk I mean if we talk about gaps right we'd have to talk about the

Brian Atlasworkplace uh injury Gap the workplace death Gap the work Place electroc electrocuted to death Gap all goes hand in hand but let me ask you a question if you had to do a dangerous job would you want to be paid it would probably cost a

Brian Atlaslot of money for you to be more willing to do it right like a hazardous job where there's a risk of death or dismemberment or getting crushed to death the reality is there's all kinds of wages but see I think the issue when

Brian Atlasit comes to feminism is women want to secure the cushy comfortable air conditioned office jobs that are high paying but you don't want to equalize it

Carafor the dangerous and difficult and d uh dangerous difficult and dirty jobs I was going so just to make sure you were aware like I I really wasn't saying that that was my position in the patriarch or anything I was just saying the obvious

Caradisagreements that a lot of people have in the arguments um with that being said if you're prefacing that with the dirty jobs or the more laborious jobs I agree they don't account for that a lot of

Carathese people that make this argument that I just made as Devil's Advocate is oh well yeah no the man can't take that I don't want to work I want to be this whatever and that's fine that's somebody else's position I think yes those positions do deserve a higher pay my

Caramother for instance like I shared early on she was a welder she did welding for 15 years I completely believe that that wage G was not even there because she was working a little B job it she was

Caraworking all that all that work yeah at the end of the day I just I wish more people took an account like you said that wage Gap does obviously go hand inand with

Brian Atlasthe gaps between the harm that it is between OCC and just I don't want to linger too long on the wage Gap thing but I would just say if there was an actual wage Gap and you could get away with paying women less then as a

Brian Atlascorporation the ultimate goal of a corporation is to make money so it would make sense to me if if there actually was a wage Gap you'd just hire only women and you'd save you'd save 20 25

Brian Atlas30% on payroll um also I think another factor that we have to look into aside from all the things I previously mentioned let me ask you guys a question do you

Brian Atlaswant a guy to pay for the first date um into the mic I don't yes well it sounds like earlier you said you don't think women should work you don't want

Brian Atlasto work you want to be a stay-at-home wife whatever um you want a guy to provide for you you want a guy to pay for the first date cor yeah but if it doesn't happen that's fine right but that's what you're angling towards

Brian Atlasthat's what you're yeah that's what you want no no saying guy can sit there and be like yeah I'm just going to wait for a girl who's prepared to like provide for me and pay for first AIDS like the most you can go for most men the most

Brian Atlasthat you can go into a first date expecting is to go 50/50 no God like you're going to run into a lot of dating issues as a guy if your standard is I want women to pay for the first date

Brian Atlaslike women can have that standard of I want the guy to pay for the first date and you can find it very easily it's going to be very difficult in the dating Marketplace as a guy if your standard is I want the woman to pay for the first date you're going to have a lot of

Athenadating troubles if you expect them to pay for 50% too yeah but it's there are some women that will go 50 like that never met one all the time it's just like if I'm going 50 with you like you I

Athenadon't owe you anything at all are you saying you owe guys something if I'm saying it feels like that I I don't objectively I don't they made that decision they didn't tell me at transaction do you want to pay do you

Savannahwant a guy to pay for the first date yeah the guy okay I don't care you don't care I would you prefer the guy to pay for the first dat yes I would prefer it but I've done 50/50 and I'm more than okay with that okay what about you um I

Brian Atlaswould just rather pay for myself to be honest that's fair that's that's valid now but do you acknowledge that probably for the most I don't I don't know if I want to attribute a percentage to this

Brian Atlaslet's say the majority of women would prefer the guy to pay for the first aid not all women some girls are totally fine with 50/50 but would you say most women would prefer guys to pay for the first aid

Brian Atlasokay so wouldn't it then stand to reason that that

Brian Atlasintroduces a sort of um what's how do I explain this like a uh domino effect in broader Society if women if there's a

Brian Atlasmating pressure like an intense mating pressure on men to be providers to pay for first States couldn't that explain again I reject that there's a wage Gap but let's

Brian Atlasjust assume that there is couldn't just that on its own explain the wage Gap because there's a pressure on men that does not exist in women to be providers so if your standard is men should pay

Brian Atlasfor first AIDS to me they should have the money to pay for it so oh I won't like for as a dude I might not get laid if I don't pay make good money D D D D

Brian Atlaslike that's never a question that's ever entered the mind of a woman if I don't make enough money I'm not going to be able to get dick no that is definitely something that might go through a man's head if I don't make enough

Brian Atlasmoney if I live with my parents if I don't have a nice car if I can't pay for the first date you might not get it could it could you could still

Brian Atlasmight you can still get you can still get py but it's going to be harder um so it's just I don't know it's like a man has to earn more than me to get my time or respect but also men and women

Brian Atlasshould earn the same pay for the same job and there are too many men at the head head of Industry we need preferential hiring to get more women

Brian Atlasinto these roles but I prefer it when men I want to be a stay-at-home wife and not contribute to the H it's very confusing wait okay going back to really quick and I know we're going to wrap up soon I know you

Athenaguys are tired um so how are you oppressed exactly um well I had an example that was like pretty severe compared to most

Athenaof it but um like things like that happen like not just to me that things like that happen with a lot of people a lot like especially uh like CS Majors they or

Athenaengineering Majors it happens a lot with or things like um like I know exactly how my car works like I know that this summer my serpentine belt pulled through two the pulley because my car the car

Athenathat I have is like cheap and they make them out of plastic which they shouldn't cuz most are metal like I know all this so I can get on the phone and as soon as they hear my my voice it's an extra thousand like it always is like I've

Athenanever like I I literally I'll bargain and bargain and bargain and bargain I I I've seen guys do it they'll get whatever I I'm asking for for like half the price you know stuff like that wait hot

Athenatake I know we're going to wrap soon guys hot take men are more pressed than women yes you can make a good argu for it

Athenathere are ways in which men are and I think those are also due to the patriarchy like in a society you said this is a society built by men um so wouldn't you think a society built like

Athenabuilt by men would the consequences of that would be kind of men's fault and I'm not saying that they're way there aren't

Brian Atlasways that it's not clear to me if it's their fault because they are men like a stronger argument to be made would be people in positions of power regardless of their

Athenagender it's not because they look at who's in power look at who's been in power for the last a million years okay and as a h poil it's me okay because I mean we were talking about

Athenaearlier with like the essay stuff in schools and like women essaying um that's that's for instance of position of power that women usually aren't in over someone else um and in that

Athenaposition of power they used it so it's nothing about men's inherent like drive to hurt people or themselves it's about when you're put in that position of power some people use

Brian Atlasit poorly um and some people don't even know that they are that's cool but I think men are more pressed than women what do you think about that um agree to

Athenadisagree I I could tell you more but like I I gave up my point and you can respond to that or you can repeat your statement I me okay so I can I guess I can back this up a little bit so I think

Brian Atlasall feminist arguments just about oppression are Dead on Arrival because and this all of women's Collective griev

Brian Atlasgrievances fall flat in the face of just one there's many male grievances but there's one in particular that I think absolutely dwarfs any and all of women's

Brian AtlasCollective Grievances and that is forced military conscription you can add up all of women grievances together and in my view they do not I know it's hard to

Brian Atlasmake comparisons and and it's hard to compare and contrast forced military conscription is worse than all of

Brian Atlaswomen's Collective grievances you can whine about it all you want but I would say the suffering that men have exclusively experienced during Warfare throughout all of human

Brian Atlashistory is orders of magnitude greater than as I've said all of women's Collective grievances supposed and real when was the last

Brian Atlasdraft When is the last well so well the last draft was in the Vietnam War and and then before that it was World War II right when when did women

Athenaget when when did women get the right to vote um white women or which all all women super late I forget the exact year but it was white women like 50 years

Brian Atlasbefore everyone else or before the last is that true yeah I'd like a fat fact check on do you want me to do it on that in any case women's suffrage 1920 but women

Brian Atlasfrequently right but but you're saying when was the last here let me let's talk about it uh the Ukraine war we can talk about the Ukraine war so there's currently two major ongoing military

Brian Atlasconflicts in the world we might be on the verge of World War III yep um so and in the event that that happens women are not subject to military military conscription you want to talk about

Brian Atlasinequality y'all aren't subject to military forc military conscription you don't have to register for the Selective Service the last time there was a draft was in Vietnam and I I know you want to use that is when was the last time there was a draft it's actually very

Brian Atlasdismissive because here's here's a very big Point fear hold on what hold on I I want to go into the fear thing but there are men that would be alive today

Brian Atlashad they not been drafted and there are men that were that are alive today that were drafted Vietnam Korea World War II I mean

Brian Atlasthere's very few World War II vets left but so there are men who would have been alive today right now they could have been in this room that aren't alive because they were drafted in Vietnam and

Brian Atlasthen there's men that did get drafted in Vietnam and they have like major PT SD serious issues uh

Brian Atlascasualties of War they've lost limbs serious issues so yes there the the ramifications of forced military

Athenaconscription are the the negative consequences of that are alive today in men I really say something and you're probably going to

Athenabe like that's crazy let's hear it um let's hear it unlikely um so there's ways to get out of the draft right I would much much much much rather cut a

Athenatoe off than than be a woman then have to deal with wh what women deal with you can skip the draft if you have any wrong with you I would cut I would cut a

Brian Atlashand off I cut a foot off okay um I've never heard that argument when it comes to the draft you're pro draft Dodger wait so what what were you but what you saying about

Brian Atlasthe fear what were you saying about the fear what did you mean when you said fear well it seems like like you think that you're more oppressed than me you know would you say that's true

Athenait's okay if it is you know and so it's just that one thing when it's just that one thing it's like it it's kind of unlikely that it will and if it does happen that

Brian Atlassucks and you will have a harder than me I actually do I I mean I'm not of an age that I I mean they could always expand the draft in the in the scenario of some

Brian Atlascatastrophic World War you know they could extend the age but I did have to register for the Selective Service men who don't face consequences they uh you

Athenacan lose certain benefits as a man that doesn't apply to women uh so I mean also that's the consequence of being physically stronger you know like you're able to protect yourself in ways

Brian Atlasthat I can't protect myself and as a consequence of that that yeah but your you're a feminist you should be in favor of gender equality so women should be subject to military conscription consequence of being able to birth a

Mia / Jeff Dyebaby would make this so you could make that argument yeah but but hold on wait what's your point no no but take his point and just go with it can't blame men for being bigger and

Mia / Jeff Dyesaying that's why you got to go to war even though that's what we've kind of done I'm not mad at you about child birth a lot of women are saying like hey what are you doing also when you're going to you're not like fist fighting

Brian Atlaseither right and women women could be drafted in into like support roles even if even if you're not happens when you take away abortion rights you're drafted into a support

Athenarule if you have like a what if you have like a kid that you didn't want that you were forced to have you're drafted into a support role no but the state hold on the state is not forcing you to have sex and if you want to get an abortion some

Brian Atlaspeople get forced to have sex okay but are you you're you you realize most if I concede that some abortions are the

Brian Atlasresult of rape will you concede that most 99% of abortions are because the woman can't financially support the kid

Brian Atlasor it's like the sex was consensual that led to her getting an abortion yeah okay so like you're making the argument of from like the the the uh what's it

Athenacalled and abortion is also like a physical procedure so I'm doing the same thing if I cut my toe off that's a physical Pro procedure to get out of this draft it's a not a it's not a perfect comparison and it's funny to say

Athenathese things cuz they're kind of ridiculous but I think there is a little bit of validity there validity to what to like like comparing these two

Brian Atlasthings what two things uh the draft to anything else I've compared it to well it's not it's not even just the draft it's actually Warfare in and of itself is like something that throughout all of human history I know that women can now

Brian Atlasenter the military well now it's but it's like something that's pretty much exclusively been within the Realms of men and Military there's no glory in like there I mean I guess there for some

Brian Atlaspeople they get some sort of Glory from it but like Warfare is brutal in ways that you cannot imagine insane and also like can I can I just ask you a question

Brian Atlaswhat were the dates of World War I do you know um I know like a range sure tell me the range like you don't have to tell like just year just the year I'm

Athenanot asking for like date or month early 40s no world uh World War I War 1910 1912 somewhere around there to what I

Brian Atlasdon't know how long it lasted I think 10 10 I don't 1914 to 1918 was World War I what about World War II like 1940

Athenasomething to when um that one lasted a good like six years I

Brian Atlasthink do you want to give a range or like between like it stopped it it it

Brian Atlaswas Captain 50 so as uh 1939 19 to 1945 yeah the but I feel okay it's like if you don't even know when the two most

Brian Atlascatastrophic events in human history occurred I almost feel like you don't have the requisite knowledge to assert anything about the the ways in

Athenawhich women are oppressed as compared to men I I don't really want you to tell me that I don't know about these wars though just off one one detail but if you don't even the powers and the Ally

Brian Atlaslike I know about no actually I'm just for fun I'm just curious three Axis Powers three Allied Powers um I get the names mixed up but I know um it was into mic three access three access powers I

Athenaknow who is together I don't know three access powers three access powers well if I say the wrong team you're going to like see when I know a bunch of information about it you know

AthenaI'm not studied up on this like you are cuz you're a professional debate guy you know so I don't think that's a fair comparison that because you have like statistics and you and you like I I took

Brian Atlashis like I learned about these things and I knew them you know I like I can tell you that I but like I don't think that's fair that's fine I mean I'm sure we can go back and forth for a very long time I don't think it's worth

Athenareally lingering it's also 1228 a.m. and you're trying to get me to name A's powers like that's based that's based you're a for that okay um I think there's advantage

Mia / Jeff Dyeof being women and disadvantages and there advantages to men and disadvantage being men what what a lot of people not use suggestively but what they like to do is go well this is why the world is and it's a man's system because

Mia / Jeff Dyelook at all these things I have to deal with and you go yeah but you also have some pretty good ones like not going to war or like anytime I'd love to see a statistic on how many how many years men serve for the same crimes that women do

Mia / Jeff DyeI'd love for someone to do a i guarant women crush it in the courts crush it in the courts for the same crimes and I don't go well look the systems set against men like I could I

Brian Atlascan make some good Arguments for that you want to hear something crazy somewhat crazy related to this so for example we often hear that well black men are more likely to be victims of police brutality or police misconduct

Brian Atlasthan white men are and that's evidence of racism in the police force right however that if you compare that to the rates of police misconduct and police

Brian Atlasbrutality directed towards men compared to W to women if you're comparing that to the police misconduct the comparison between white men to black men the rate

Brian Atlasbetween men and women is like I think it's 8X or 10x yeah greater so is that therefore evidence of sexism right systemic sexism within the police it's whenever a bad thing happens to a guy

Mia / Jeff Dyeit's like that's life that's just how the world goes and when and I'm again I'm not putting this on you guys but like when when something bad happens to a woman it's like we have this is a a fundamental systematic outrage and

Athenayou're like no it's just life's not perfect happens to both of us and good things happen to both of us and I don't cry about the bad ones it's not you can't I don't think you can compare the difference between men and women because that's in our brain that's

Athenahormonal like if if I I can't really say anything else besides at the very least the hormonal difference is so drastically different that that affects a lot of the reason men women are

Athenadifferent sure different races have the same brains you know so it's not really comparable like a different races oppression versus oppression of a man

Brian Atlasversus a woman uh word word oh here one more thing upon birth who do you think is more like

Athenaoppressed or disadvantaged men or women like like uh like being born yeah like Upon A bir like when you're a baby yeah um like like inherently what do you mean

Brian Atlaslike how you treated first six like from from birth to the first six months who's not counting China who's more see well they got rid of that I think but it still affects it culture

Athenaum there's cultural impacts of things that let's just talk about the United States um who's got the

Brian Atlasworse I don't know you don't know okay what do you think well I think men um or boys I should say uh even when

Brian Atlasthey are that young um even when they haven't there's no way we're not counting wage gaps and you know College admissions any of this what are you County six months circumcision yeah

Brian Atlasthat's true so immediately upon birth nearly every boy in the United States has their genitals mutilated that sounds like a pretty pretty poor outcome without their consent by the way so to women in some areas of the world that's

Brian Atlasin some areas of the world but I would argue that that male uh male circumcision is far more prevalent than female genital mutilation that's true I didn't think about that so I mean

Brian Atlasimmediately upon birth as soon as men as soon as boys come into the world without their consent they have their genitals mutilated so I mean at least you don't

Brian Atlashave like smma though see oh I mean that's crazy that's a real C that so do you think it's you do you think that that's a good reason to no mtil I'm joking mutilate children's genitals

Brian Atlasbecause of I was making a joke because of your preference for men who are not or who are cut I was making a joke it's actually funny like if you think about it the majority of uh preference this is

Brian Atlasalmost something that's like single moms are like having their okay well I don't want to get into it but uh you're killing me I'm going to fall asleep my bad home um no but it's

Brian Atlasjust like if you start looking at if you pull back the the curtain like there's a lot of pretty negative outcomes that impacts boys and men so well it's a leverage of power a lot of people want

Brian Atlasto use these things as leverage of power they don't want to look into the details of it sure any anyways guys I I know you guys are tired I'm going to wrap up the show um guys last call hit the oh twitch twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a follow

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Mia / Jeff Dyeyou do stand up like is can they see you live or I don't know if you want to yeah every like I'm performed this is the first night I haven't perform standup comedy and oh you perform every single night every single night oh but I just landed from Vegas I have a residency there at the cosmo and oh

Mia / Jeff Dyethat's awesome man I didn't know this was this far away from where I live but uh well welcome man yeah I was happy to be here I would have been on stage tonight but I'm here with you guys yeah thank you for coming man um and I trying

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