PSYCHO Feminist KICKED OUT?! 1 RAGE QUIT?! CRYING?! Andrew Wilson! E-girls! | Dating Talk #126

Date: 2023-12-11

Duration: 7h 21m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSavannah (DT126)>

AAshley (DT126)>

AAthena (DT126)>

AAndrew Wilson >

KKiki (co-host DT126)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_02Ashley(guest)

SPEAKER_03V (Velvet)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_05Mia / Jeff Dye(guest)

SPEAKER_06Ashley(guest)

SPEAKER_07Cara(guest)

SPEAKER_08Athena(guest)

SPEAKER_09Savannah(guest)

SPEAKER_10Kiki(guest)

SPEAKER_11Athena(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteAthena reveals she accidentally reported a suspected credit card fraudster to hotel security while drunk, causing him to disappear for two months.

“I just go I know he's doing crime to the concierge... and then he just disappeared off the face of the Earth for two months”

ControversyAthena attempts to leave mid-show for first time, citing discomfort and a 'male platonic friend' getting mad.

“I think I just want to go... I don't know I just not feeling it”

ControversyV/Vel confronts Brian about not greeting guests before the show. Brian deflects; Andrew calls her a 'spoiled brat'. Jeff de-escalates.

“I kind of feel disrespected”

OtherAshley (pink shirt/SPEAKER_06) leaves the show after Andrew Wilson calls her a 'skank' on air. Andrew declines to apologize.

“he called me skank... Andrew do you want to apologize... under no circumstances I stand by what I said”

OtherBrian invites Kiki (off-camera co-host) to join the panel mid-show to replace the departed Ashley.

“welcome Kiki you're going to contribute far more to this conversation than that woman”

OtherAthena walks off panel in tears after seeing hostile live chat comments. Returns ~5 minutes later.

“I just need a little break... I've never been in a situation like this before”

QuoteV/Vel discloses she punched two police officers on separate occasions and broke into an ex's apartment with a patio chair, stealing his social security card.

“I got really lucky... I have um no record... punched a cop in the face which is a felony and I got a citation”

QuoteV/Vel discloses history with SeekingArrangements (sugar dating/sex work) while calling herself a traditional woman and radical feminist.

“there is no such thing as going on a date with a guy and thinking you're not going to have to touch them... that is 100% you're paying for sex”

ControversyV/Vel escalates from general feminist claims to asserting the vast majority of men are innately pedophiles. Brian, Jeff, and Andrew push back demanding evidence. Brian prepares to kick her off.

“I think the vast majority yes innately yes biologically yes... if granted the opportunity to get away with having sex with a 15-year-old girl with no repercussions they would do it”

ControversyBrian kicks V/Vel off the show after she claims the vast majority of men are pedophiles by nature.

“get the get the off the show... out you go”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

Guests introduce names, ages, occupations, and locations. Brian introduces Andrew Wilson as call-in guest. Relationship status round.

Age gaps and dating older men

Athena's relationship with a 29-31yo real estate billionaire at age 18. Debate over whether age gaps are inherently problematic. Billionaire details questioned by Andrew.

Feminist identity / definitions of feminism

Discussion of who identifies as feminist, definitions from first through fourth wave feminism, TERF positions, radical feminism vs. traditionalism. V/Vel's contradictory self-labeling as both radical feminist and traditional woman is central.

Women's legal equality and abortion rights

Whether men and women are legally equal in the US. Athena argues women are disadvantaged; Brian and Andrew counter that men lack bodily autonomy (selective service). Abortion debate briefly touched.

Prison reform and incarceration

Sparked by men's bodily autonomy / military conscription discussion. Athena states she 'doesn't believe in prison'; debate over rehabilitation vs. punishment, private vs. federal prisons.

Greater male variability hypothesis and intelligence

Brian raises the greater male variability hypothesis. Andrew explains it: men show greater variance in intelligence at extremes. Jeff asks for evolutionary explanation.

V/Vel's criminal history and confrontational behavior

V/Vel discloses two arrests for battery on police officers, breaking into ex's apartment with a patio chair, stealing his social security card and passport. Tensions escalate. Brian accuses her of trolling. Andrew calls her 'spoiled brat'.

Sex work, OnlyFans, and sugar daddies

V/Vel discloses sex work past on SeekingArrangements. Cara (Mia) discloses current adult content work. Discussion of OnlyFans typers, parasocial relationships, fraud concerns, whether OnlyFans negatively impacts relationship prospects. Catholic faith vs. sex work reconciliation.

Male oppression vs. female oppression

Wide-ranging debate: military conscription, sentencing disparities, police brutality statistics, wage gap debunking, circumcision at birth. Brian argues male oppression (draft) dwarfs all female grievances combined. Athena concedes some points.

Dating standards: height, first-date payment, traditionalism

Height preferences around the table. Whether men should pay on first dates. Brian's argument that traditional treatment must be earned in the modern dating market.

OnlyFans, typers, and romance scam theory

Brian develops theory that OnlyFans typers constitute legal fraud/false advertising/romance scam. Discussion of parasocial dynamics, men spending large sums expecting emotional connection.

Wage gap debate

Brian debunks wage gap citing hours worked, job type, seniority, education. Compares to male workplace injury/death gap. Cara (Mia) defends her mother's welding career as example.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasthe other episodes he's he's appeared in person by the way guys this is our first time doing a colum with him I'm sure a lot of you already familiar with that um those episodes were

Brian Atlasawesome super cool uh go subscribe to his channel and um uh we'll have you uh back on soon uh excuse me we'll have you back on soon all right Andrew yeah sure thanks for having me take care guys have

Brian Atlasa great night thanks for joining man have a good night say hi to uh Rachel for me wait is that was that weird is that weird to say no I don't know who that's his wife I it was fine you was

Brian Atlasthat weird to say weird I like I I I feel like that could be like I don't that was I was I was saying him like cuz I'm like I like his I like his wife so

Brian Atlashis wife's like super based and cool so I hope that didn't come out did for um and we should Andrew I don't know if you're still watching love to have her on the show um so uh yeah Rachel's uh

Brian AtlasRachel Wilson she's she's awesome um okay so MIA did I say right finally Mommy Mia Jesus Christ I'm so bad with names um is it really my fault though if

Brian Atlasyou get named something a name that has two potential different no pronunciations actually here funny story on that I think I've said this once before on the

Brian Atlasstream I was dating this girl her name was uh it was uh either C or k a r a so Cara or

Brian AtlasCara I don't know we hooked up we had sex for the first time afterwards this is only our second time

Brian Atlashanging out right I'm like hey could you remind me oh no how to pronounce your name she did not like this bear in mind

Brian Atlasthis is like 10 minutes after having sex for the first time right she was very upset oh how could you forget the pronunciation of my name and

Brian Atlasit wasn't I it wasn't like I forgot her name I wasn't like uh no I knew like the spelling I knew the exact spelling I just didn't know how to pronounce

Brian Atlasit the has two different po potential pronunciations Cara Cara so um I had yes I had a and oh oh

Brian Atlasokay Jes I land the plane Brian Jesus Christ English is my second language I can't speak properly uh let we just there was no

Brian Atlassubsequent So based solely on the fact that I butchered the pronunciation of her name that wasn't she used that as pretext for us to not hang out gave her the ick it gave her the um you know

Mia / Jeff Dyewhat's weird though is like was there a way you could have figured it out without having to ask her I was going to say like a coffee order I know either but like what in which way did you need to know the name right away Rachel hey

Brian Atlasyo Rachel wait you can pull that one up oh sorry I'll do it I got it um yo Rachel um we'd love to have you on you're you're dope um your husband's

Mia / Jeff Dyeawesome um so whenever whenever you want um love to have you on let's uh your husband called me a lot of names Rachel there you go he's he's a smart

Mia / Jeff Dyeguy like um is there what was the question oh I was just saying like maybe like did you need to know it right then because you just you're just being honest and direct he how do you pronounce it is it car but the but like

Mia / Jeff DyeI might have I'm maybe more cowardly than you how did just waited until like the next day and then try to figure out May heard someone else say her name something was there another way to find it out probably I feel like I'm a pretty

Brian Atlasdirect person and just very straightforward and very to the point so she and I think I have pretty well I don't know do I have thick skin sometimes I get salty on this

Athenapodcast I get super tilted on this podcast sometimes so I don't know do I have I I have a rule now where like no one can disrespect me even a little bit um so like for relationships like I I I'll be assertive about it in non-

Athenarelationships but in relationships it's like no chances like it it's just telling to me and if it's not telling then like I don't really care to stick around and find out so like if you were in that girls in if someone would do

Athenasomething to me that I wouldn't do to them that's disrespect to me and I don't know if she probably just had a different mindset I'm not saying she's right I'm just saying that could be an explanation like I think that it it's kind of a

Mia / Jeff Dyebig reaction to a small thing but maybe she just has a rule like that yeah but maybe in her mind she's like she I get I get where why she'd be mad about that but I don't know if it's a breakup

Ashleyoffense but also I just in my mind I was thinking how would I navigate that I don't think I'd ask just like you forgot my name Crea try to be like oh let me just like say

Athenathe pronunciation so I can get that name back just been like is it pronounced like this or like this sorry that's what he did do oh really well that's what he did I don't think you're wrong I she might have taken it the wrong way taken

Carait the wrong way and reacted a little more aggressive yeah you don't care how anyone says your name I really don't he goes me or my and you still have an answer you go just say she's a normal person I'm normal I play I played basketball for eight years with one coach and he literally only called me

Brian AtlasMya so I'm used to I mean but I think that's an L for her like we just I agree I agree I agree and you want to no longer we were otherwise having a good time and because I let's say I'm

Mia / Jeff Dyewrong let's just assume jerk move to forget name no is that something that you is that forgivable I think 100% forgiv I actually agree with you 100% on the situation I was thinking how I would do it and I go I probably coward to wait

Brian Atlastill the next day is that's all I'm saying well it's always so funny like you women often say oh it's so important to communicate like well okay hold on this is me communicating like sorry I up I forgot how to pronounce your

Brian Atlasname properly blame your parents they named you a Ambiguously pronounced name like Cara Cara huh I don't know how to pronounce that honesty there's a

Mia / Jeff Dyebook called honesty I think or truth or something along those lines by Sam Harris and he talks about how like honesty is always the best solution you can never find a Sol ever find but there is but there is a point like someone says what about if your wife is asking

Mia / Jeff Dyedo I look okay in this dress or something no I would just tell her right but he was going if you if her only motive is just she needs to hear something kind from you then that's not really lying you're just kind of going

Mia / Jeff Dyegoing you always look beautiful to me or you know something like that like in that way cuz dness works in your advantage probably 99% of the time I'm guessing and then that was one of the scenarios where you're like oh maybe this drag is does it change

Brian Atlasanything for you girls if it was like let's say it was during sex o like if he Mis mispronounced your name during sex like he's he's he's like pulling your

Brian Atlashair and he's in your ear talking all kinds of you know you know how it is right you learned about Bri you know theame you know the game like right you're you know he's okay and he's whis

Carabiting your neck till bed no no no no no I swear it was afterwards I swear afterwards but what if it was during if it was during cuz literally my name is always getting asked I would genuinely

Caranot care but if it would been if it was different where you and I if I was her you and I were together let's say for a week we had been seeing each other for a week or two by then then obviously I would be offended it just be like okay

Brian Atlasyou've heard me when we went to coffee or whatever it may have been it was like said it was the second date then yeah then be offended maybe the it was either second or third and we'd only been

Savannahtalking for like two weeks or something I but also it's different if you said like someone completely different like if you said like a completely different name that was he goes

Brian AtlasBrian yeah it's not like I called I knew I knew the spelling I knew the spelling it's not like I didn't know her name it's not like I was like gertude Yeah the more we talk about the more I'm

Mia / Jeff Dyeon your side on this because like listen how listen we've went on two dates how many times have I said your name out loud we talked about a million things I could tell you where you work I could tell your opinion on this I can tell your opin but like you don't say your

Mia / Jeff Dyename very much so it's like just remind me of the pronunciation I could tell you a million things about you yeah this is so cute we're all agreeing yeah well I'm

Brian Atlastrying to keep I feel like I feel like for five hours it was like very intense so I hope the viewers don't mind that I'm just like taking a little Brea

Brian Atlaslike just inserting a little uh levity into the conversation and I know a lot of people tune in for like those heated spicy moments but hours I need to like just decompress even realize how long it

Brian Atlaswas I hope the chat doesn't mind I'm just having like a kind of fun light conversation cuz after that girl I need a deep was it great when Mia called her a

Mia / Jeff DyeI was like okay talking about that's my favorite that's why he's the goat the goat me is the goat the goat well that's why I said

Mia / Jeff Dyeso much like I was like oh this would have been blows like a guy would have fought her or would have fought if she was a boy yeah

Athenaum yeah I like that no one knows her name like she's so fail she's like Voldemort name name I just know her as I am God

Brian AtlasGod everyone in the chat is just like blonde yeah sure God was terrible tonight oh

Brian Atlasum oh so you said from dating extremely successful people and then there's more but like I just want to dive into that so when you say from dating extremely successful people what

Carado you what do you mean by I won't preface with like their earnings or anything of that sort because I don't think that's necessary I think what success to me it's more so of their development where they are in life

Carawhether Happ or emotionally or even just business-wise Etc education um with that being said I've dated really great people I wouldn't say oh they're the

Carawhat is it called the high man or whatever the high value high value man um I would refer to them as that not everybody would and that's obviously subjective I think because of that I've

Caralearned a lot about myself and I've learned a lot about the realm of my current history and my current my current lifestyle with only fans and all these things that I've done in my past as well as being a younger girl that

Caradoesn't necessarily hold me away from anything in life whether it be this high value man or even genuine relationships emotional Etc I'm grateful that I've actually had really great relationships

Carawith a lot of different people both friends and emotionally and romantically that I just have learned like this yes this is my decision to continue this job and whatever it may be and do the choices that I've made in my life but

Brian Atlasyeah sorry if that's no no I was laughing at this here I'll pull it up just cuz thank you for the Australian need some after care

Brian Atlasafter that 5H hour I asked him how do you do this because I just I can't imagine to I mean

Brian Atlasto be fair that this panel was interesting it was it was like probably one of the more like I said before eventful panels

Brian Atlasthat we've had we had the pink girl going up she would was being not you but the girl was sitting there being obnoxious you went and cried on the balcony I'm just not trying to be mean

Brian Atlasjust that that was a moment there was a lot a lot that happened a lot that happened so um so wait okay dating a uh you said you've learned that my job has

Brian Atlasreally opened my value in terms of knowledge and interest onto many others in those more successful positions oh this would have been great if Andrew was here um God wa knowledge and interest

Brian Atlasonto oh okay I've learned that being an only fans girl actually portrays me very differently than the assumed dumb young girl who is sexually selling her body for pennies with little to no education

Brian Atlasand no comprehension of the damage of their uh damage their digital past will do on to them if anything more intellectual men and women have acknowledged the power and knowledge it

Brian Atlastakes to build a Charming character onto multiple platforms for the purpose of s work and sex labor Etc ET I kind of went beyond so the first

Carathing I would acknowledge is Jeff actually said looking at a 40-year-old man that you think that looking back onto past there's always going to be regret and I completely agree and that's I can already see it on your face I completely see that and that's not to say that there isn't and I know there's

Caraalways going to be a regret I I started when I was 18 I'm 21 and I have certain regrets um what what I have acknowledged from dating either more intellectual people older adults or anything of that

Carasort somebody whom I see as higher value or success uccessful or worthy of a real conversation just like almost all of us have had really great conversations I have learned that my

Caradecisions have actually opened other people's minds which is very interesting a lot of people have grown into having a more introspective ideas in terms of what is sex work and what does it

Caraactually allude to and what actually does it open up from does it also always conclude to damaging somebody's whole identity for the rest of their lives in addition to that how is an empowering how is it not and all these things that's what I've learned from myself and

Caralearned from others having those conversations I've aided a lot of people in opening their own minds to their own sexual desires and ideals and all that stuff but I as well have had many of conversations with people who are

Carareligious who are not and all these other things older younger and with that I've learned one to always value other people's opinions and not necessarily value them in the sense that they have to affect me but holding true to every

Caraperson's opinion has value and has a reason in and has a perspective that comes from some sort of past or certain expectation or something that they've been taught and that's helped me and

Caraaided me a lot in my own journey and that's why I always conclude to I've I've been able to learn a lot and I've also been able to teach a lot and that's a blessing at the end of the

Brian Atlasday I don't I'm sorry if I'm Bing too much I am exhausted so yeah but I mean so it sounds like you okay so you said you've learned that being an only fans girl actually

Brian Atlasportrays you very differently than the assumed dumb young girl who actually selling her body for pennies with little to no education no comprehension of some of the other stuff um if anything more

Brian Atlasintellectual men and women have acknowledged the power and knowledge it takes to build a Charming character onto multiple platforms for the purpose of sex work sex labor I mean don't you think it's kind like it kind of sounds

Caralike cope I would yes it definitely can be and you're shaming women who don't do sex work basically SS I'm not trying to shame anybody that doesn't do sex work I actually also agree that sex work is not

Caraa beautiful choice of work um what I was kind of alluding to in that phrase was more so that what was it um could you repeat a

Brian Atlaslittle bit of it just so I can get well you said that um if anything more intellectual men and women have acknowledged the power and knowledge it takes to build a Charming

Caracharacter rights so what I was kind of alluding to was a lot of times a lot of people think okay you're 18 you're young you're 20 whatever age may be you're starting an only fans you're starting pornography of any sorts you're doing it because it's a

Carameans to an end and in addition to that it's just easy money it's actually not and it's it's really hard yes it can be very lucrative but that comes with a lot of efforts and energy and a lot of loss

Caraand and lessons and that's something that I've learned and I've actually worked on with so many other people not just let's saying other only fans girls not saying agencies not saying any of that even other people who are familiar

Carawith developing their own Tech businesses Etc and Etc having those conversations working with Professionals in those different platforms and also even with just the

Caratechnologicalsound to do daily to maintain my identity as an only fans girl or maintain my identity overall as a Creator that's also helped a lot of people understand that hey it's not easy

Carait yes you can get a dollar for showing your holes but you really have to attract more people you have to build your Market all that thing not that it's easy I do not think that it's something that anybody should just willingly easily go into just because they think

Brian Atlasit's a means to n because it's never going to end do you do any content sorry to cut you off there do you do any content to or no like o you don't have o correct I used to have o oh you used to

Brian Atlasand you but you don't correct no um wait I have a question for you guys so have since having started doing of adult content however you want to call it do

Brian Atlasyou guys think it has had a either a negative neutral or positive impact on your romantic prospects or relationships definitely negative on my

Ashleydefinitely negative for you yes and I wasn't even posting any of like sexual content it was just like lingerie stuff lingerie stuff and I still got really bad backlash I would say neutral neutral

Savannahmhm for for you oh I no I was just saying I've had both like I've had guys that I like not really interested to but like started talking to and they would be like oh you have an only fans like

Savannahwhatever kind of weird about it but I've also had people that are very like accepting and they're like as long as you're just doing stuff with like me like your relationship whatever like that's fine so I've had both it's not

Savannahclear to me if that's necessarily A positive um I think well for relationship wise like I the people that I've dated and like had serious relationships with

Savannahdidn't care but the negatives definitely come from men that subscribe to the only fans if that kind of makes sense yeah well let me ask you guys a question

Brian Atlasum do you do you think there are more men that would are there more men that see only fans when it comes to a potential

Brian Atlasromantic partner are there more men that would see only fans as a negative in the relationship or negative uh thing when it comes to potentially picking a partner or there

Brian Atlasare mo more men who are going to be like I view a girl doing that as a positive thing I would say sorry go ahead um as

Caraif we're looking at the average man so somebody that isn't involved in the Los Angeles world per se or the Miami worlds um I would say yeah it's obviously a negative it's this woman who I'm

Carainterested in who is socially sharing all these images and portraying herself as Xyz and obviously that's a negative I think the reason I remain neutral and I think that's kind of what she was saying

Carawas because people who actually get to know ourselves and develop an actual relationship with us in addition to having known about our only fans or later on finding out about them discover okay this is only one identity with

Carawhich they create content they create whatever and and it's really just to make money like we're all just trying to survive to survive and I think that's where it becomes neutral nobody to my face and nobody even in my past has ever

Carasaid right I would never ever see her again I would never do anything with her I would never be with her because of her decision I've actually gotten a lot of people to come back and just say hey I'm so very proud of you actual Exes who have just said I'm very proud of you

Caraproud like proud of you starting and only fans not for starting only fans for building a business for myself for building something at such young age like doing all the things that I did so early on and things that I was passionate for not that it's a positive

Caralike I'm saying I really do not think that sex work should be normalized I don't think it at all should be on Tik Tok where people are saying this is my life as a sex worker and all these things I think it's really sickening and it's really bad how organically we're

Carasharing this and thinking that it's okay for the younger kids yeah at all to ever interpret this as normal even for older Generations as well we're normalizing it for everyone and it is not okay sure I'm

Brian Atlasjust trying to think like I don't know like probably there's some guy out there there's some guys out there that might view it as a pro for a

Brian Atlasgirl to have only fans but I feel like for the vast majority of men it's kind of the vast majority of men I think it's going to be a negative they're going to going to lead to insecurities I don't know if not like in a negative way but I

Brian Atlasdon't know if it's necessarily insecurities but I would say the vast majority of men are going to view that as a negative mark on you and then

TTS/Donationsthere's a large portion of men but less than the ones that will will view it negatively that it'll just be neutral Butler donated $200 for the comedian with the high body

TTS/Donationscount are you aware condoms do not protect from genital herpes feel that tingling on your balls that's the onset of a deadly outbreak this is the end oh

Mia / Jeff Dyeno it's the end here I'm going to send the asteroids oh no I it's the end according to J Butler why did Butler not give me the good news sooner or the bad

Mia / Jeff Dyenews sooner I guess that's really funny I think he's really interested what he's too interested like he it has to be a king like right like why else would you

Brian Atlasbe or a running gag what's the name for the cha bug Chasers heard I've never heard of that you guys have never heard

Brian Atlasof that there's like some uh it's like I it's probably mental illness there's a group of people that chase getting STDs

Brian Atlasthey're called Bug heard they're called Bug Chasers and I think this was something oh no this I almost wonder if this is TOS wasn't this in the 70s or so it was I think it might have been during

Brian Atlasthe HIV thing with a certain bug chaser bug H I don't I don't want to get into it but um apparently are you saying that maybe he's he's a

Mia / Jeff Dyebug chaser are you saying Butler's a bug chaser he wishes I had herpes what the hell he's the one that's the doctor right yes that checks out just kid J you're not a bug chaser but I also don't

Brian Atlashave herpes cu the world's listening I'd like to make that clear I I just wonder like do you think and I I think to some degree there's some cope about well oh if

Brian Atlasyou're engaged if you've done only fans then you're just going to be like a miserable cat lady I actually think that's cope from Men who I look I'm not in favor of like and

Brian Atlasmy preference would be to not date a girl who does only fans but uh I I do think there's a a strong cope from a lot of dudes of like oh these

Mia / Jeff Dyewomen are just going to be like lonely cat ladies I do think they'll be fine yeah dude there's a lot of simps out there so for sure but also support it but like I think that they're not going to be cat ladies

Mia / Jeff Dyeeither there's a lot of I'm already a cat lady so it's fine oh Bo she sorry you don't lonely if they're like surrounded by people but I will say that like why do you want your boyfriend to not cheat on you wait what I'm sorry why wouldn't you want your boyfriend to have

Mia / Jeff Dyelike a lot of like other people they having sex with you want it to be yours right so the same with only fans or porn or any of the sex work it's kind of the same thing it's just a different level of that I don't want guys seeing you

Mia / Jeff Dyenaked like I don't want guys masturbating to you I like to think this is for me and that's all mhm that's it's pretty you know simp I agree it's not me going what a dumb but it's me

Savannahgoing like maybe don't do that when a relationship comes into like your life I think that's a conversation that you should have too and that's like about like maturity and being an adult like I don't know why I keep going back to the

Mia / Jeff Dyeholidays but if I brought someone home for the holidays holiday and my dad can just go to the computer and see the woman I love naked I'd be mortified that's fair yeah I've had relationships

Caralike I said I'm not actively dating but I've had relationships that come in after the fact like after I started only fans and a lot of people will either say oh I didn't know that you did that or I already knew and even then it doesn't

Caraoffend me it doesn't bother me obviously they don't want to think about all these other people that might be doing whatever to your content obviously nobody wants to think of that sometimes I don't want to think about even then because of that what I've learned is a

Caralot of that open communication like you said maturity just open dialogue of just hey let's just not talk about it in certain times obviously I'm not going to talk about it before I go to mass obviously I'm not going to talk about it at the dinner table obviously I'm not going are you religious I'm Catholic

Carawhoa whoa whoa oh my God where's Andrew Wilson hold on oh okay okay I whoa whoa whoa whoa [Music] whoa I grew up cathol you're Catholic you grew up Catholic I grew up Catholic

Caraum is that part of the only fan character no no I actually try to keep it separate entirely um I grew up Catholic my mom is Mexican Catholic and like super religious but are you Catholic currently I say that I'm still

CaraCatholic I don't necessarily practice actively I just actually today went to a non-denominational Christian Church for my friend to kind of accompany her but I just didn't really feel ConEd quite honestly I felt most connected to

CaraCatholicism I also like I will say like my my whole basis of religion is very distinctly different my father grew up very atheist said that we were Jewish at one point just because so I practiced

Brian Atlaseverything fun family prank well he said you know we're all Jewish yeah he's like well cuz there are separat my mom would just be like why I want to come back to that but uh here let me just read this chat daium and people question

Brian Atlasabstinence there you have it and then we had this one di aium hey thank you for the big 200 by the way just to let you know if you do this via streamlabs.com whatever uh the 200 that Tri that'll

Brian Atlastrigger instant TTS it'll come in instantly and YouTube takes 30% of all YouTube based super chat Revenue so so much so if you do it through streamlabs for example with this first off very

Brian Atlasgrateful thank you very much man appreciate it um if you do it through super sorry I'm it's getting late here I'm losing my train thought if you do it here so YouTube has taken $60 of this so

Brian Atlasif you want more of your patronage to go towards whatever in instead of the YouTube mega Corp um you could do it through streamlabs they take like three bucks per 100 it's about three to four

Brian Atlasbucks per 100 so a lot more of your patronage actually goes towards me instead of the the pockets of woke Mega Corp YouTube in any case really appreciate your patronage man she who

Brian Atlaswill not be named was an objective devil cultist satanists see themselves as Gods she was a deceptor and wanted everyone to hear her message she was the antithesis of her message true facts

Brian Atlasdude that's facts I can't she was a little demon yeah yes shit's true bro dium that's a very good analysis man um and then we had let me get one more chat

Brian Atlaswe had uh Nick Nickelodeon he's maybe an hour behind who's the real PW the man that's attracted to 18-year-old women or the woman that has s in front of a

Brian Atlascamera knowing a larger number of her clientele is teens click yes if you're 18 LOL good argument excuse me got the hiccups thank you thank you

Brian AtlasNickelodeon by the way Nickelodeon I don't know if you notice this here I have the aggro Crag from Nickelodeon guts small it's a small one I don't see o blank as

Brian Atlasnegative I like showing off my wife who does o Etc but because I'm the one she comes home with I Don't Mind Body Count experience she knows what she's doing toy BJ

Mia / Jeff Dyesuck oh gosh okay that there's a lot of points I could go into there um I think this is probably used to be a debate people would have back in the day like could you date a stripper or could you

Mia / Jeff Dyedate a you know like there's all those things like I think some people just get jealous a lot easier an actress and she had to make out with this guy in a movie set and I was just like I have to watch the girl like make it she's just acting

Brian Atlasand I was like I had a problem with that let alone I have a really hot take here and it's kind of a joke but

Brian AtlasI'm going to say it um men who like women are secretly gay oh wow

Brian Atlasthey're in denial because they want another man's come by proxy oh they want another man's C in and around their mouth and Dick it's a real

Brian Atlasstraight way to get it it's kind of they might be gay I don't know that's funny also a king huh like just oh like being a cuck yeah that's yeah so I mean when

Brian Atlasit comes to body count right like you got to think I want to so so when it comes to like body counting this right like would you want to sleep with girl who just got inside of by

Brian Atlasanother dude but like how far do you extend that 10 seconds no 10 minutes no what at least these are my answers 1 hour No 3 hours no 10 seconds oh sorry

Kikiwe're not answering a fortnite no um so uh but also why are you getting cumed you see that what the yeah huh what H did you guys read that chat no what did it I didn't see it what did

Athenait say oh it's it's no wait no it's not there it said uh hey Brian I'm very interested in you to be your Trad boy oh oh say it into the mic oh sorry hey Brian I'm very interested in you to be

Brian Atlasmy TR to be no I'm she's your she wants to be your trb wife oh um I don't know I get a lot of DMS so I didn't see it pop up but she paid 50 bucks no I I think it

Brian Atlaswas only 10 oh a traditional wife like whatever traditional my bad my bad um but uh it's very nice offer when it comes to let me

Brian Atlasjust see it oh Nick it was Dr Clockwork first off I appreciate your patronage man thank you I just Happ I disagree with you a bit on this um he doesn't mind body count experience

Brian Atlaswell first off I think uh you don't need to have a high body count to be good in the bedroom as a woman you could have had one sexual partner and that was your long-term boyfriend and you guys had

Brian Atlasbunch of sex and figured it out uh also if you're a guy and you know what you're doing in the bedroom you can take a girl who is a virgin and has never had sex or even a girl who's maybe hooked up once

Brian Atlasor twice but hasn't had a long-term boyfriend and she doesn't even though she's not virgin she's had sex like only one two three times you can have really good sex with

Mia / Jeff Dyeher if you most women like guys to take the lead so um I don't know I yeah it doesn't necessarily mean their experienc for sure also if you hav if you haven't been

Mia / Jeff Dyeout whoring around you wouldn't even know the difference you would just be like this feels great look like sex is pretty n pretty pretty enjoyable that way they're like who are you like who are you going home and going this is

Mia / Jeff Dyeterrible sex like I've never had that I've never once been upset you'd have to like hit me with a rock or something for me to be upset about sex I don't know he mentioned toothy BJ too I mean like I

Brian Atlasdon't know you what matters more than a girl who sucks dick well like I think there's like sex isn't that big of a like obviously you want to have good sex

Brian Atlasbut frankly so long as a woman is enthusiastic and open-minded and a good person likes you or loves you you can

Mia / Jeff Dyehave like I don't know bro you can have good sex with with her that's what angrew would call a s comment no not you no the toothy thing oh okay or

Brian Atlasto be like yeah dude my girl she she's the best at this cuz she does it all day to other dud like I think what's going to be a bigger turn on it's not like the way in which a girl can like maneuver

Brian Atlasher hips while on top of me or like her Gluck luuck 9,000 whatever the it's like you want to like honestly things you do outside of the bedroom or just

Brian Atlasyour general demeanor are is what's going to turn me on or be attractive like if she loves you to death and she's your rer die she has your back um she's going to take care of you like I don't

Mia / Jeff Dyeknow um there was a woman I used to hang out with in San Diego maybe sharing a little too much here but like like after shows people want to hang out and they want to like oh we're hanging with the comedian drinking with a comedian or blah blah blah or maybe they're sexually

Mia / Jeff Dyeinterested you know the party goes on for whatever there's a girl that I would hang out with every single time and people would be like why her like you always pick her you always hang out with her you always she's just nice she

Mia / Jeff Dyedoesn't give me if there's another girl over there she's not like who are these girls you're talking to like if I'm not talking her in that exact moment I've got a question for you on this and she's also very hot which helps but I'm saying that like she I think of her

Mia / Jeff Dyeevery single every single time I think about like what I'd want in like a and a girlfriend like let me let me ask you a question so remember the girl who's sitting here who we kicked off let's pretend she was like a 10 out of 10 in

Brian Atlaslooks but with her personality yeah would you rather date her whoops sorry or date like a average chubby girl who's

Mia / Jeff Dyeawesome personality yeah that's what yeah personality I would pick average chubby girl over I think women undervalue that not you not you and they over the the like like a lot of girls

Mia / Jeff Dyeespecially this I I like funny women right but women will be like I'm hilarious and they do that that she was doing where like she thinks by like over talking or being really opinionate a thing or or being like oh really you sure about that or like Bingo or like

Mia / Jeff Dyeall the little like that she tried to do she thought she was being very funny yeah you know like oh surprise surprise like when you would say a thing like just all that kind of

Brian Atlasstuff makes you garbage to me and not Gage B based um let's see here what else did I

Brian Atlashave uh oh more notes oh right okay so oh no no no is the o o thing oh I had this Epiphany when it comes to O right I have

Brian Atlasa question for you guys um have you guys ever or currently had a management company running your off previously I tried previously you've never no um what

Brian Atlasthat do you guys previously or currently or both have have a typer do you guys you know what that is like someone that responds to somebody

Brian Atlaswho responds to the message on your behalf yes you've had that mhm I'm doing it right now huh I'm actively the one that has to message so I'm not you don't you've never you don't have a typer no

Brian Atlasif you did though do you think you would admit to it I mean cuz Mo like we've had women on the show who are like no I send all the messages and it's if I did have the typers I definitely would say like

Carahey like let's for real like yeah it's not me you know but I think the way that I carry myself with them it's like it's so interpersonal that I would have to share that like hey I'm hiring elsewhere because I just can't do

Brian Atlasit I just want to do a disclaimer here if a girl did have a typer so basically on only fans there's messaging back and forth um a lot of these girls have a management company they have some dude in

Brian Atlasthat poor guy I don't know the Philippines or something or somewhere I don't know sending messages exactly terrible job

Brian Atlasum if they did have a typer they would certainly not publicly admit to it um but uh well some people be cheap that's why they don't have a tyer yeah because they just don't want to have to hire or

Brian Atlaspay them I just think I guess they can make you more money though maybe I don't know um but uh I'm trying to think here

Brian Atlasuh oh okay so you don't have a typer what you don't have a typer you did

Brian Atlasnever you how was it a dude yeah it was a guy it was a dude no so keep this bear bear in mind so tyer right when you're on when you're on uh

Brian Atlasonly fans and you're a dude and you're subbing to these girls typing to them you're like sexting a dude what the bro yeah and they're pretending to be you're sexting a dude who's pretending

Brian Atlasto be a chick um how much was he in the US or was it like Out Source to like India or some no it was in the US

Ashleyoh it was in okay um and he had like a 30% cut that's a lot was he good with the dirty talkong yes I was like oh my

Mia / Jeff DyeGod I do not talk like this that imagine that job God just so got to be like was he a gay guy or a straight guy a straight guy and he was really oh my God

Brian Atlaswhat that I think that's top five worst jobs I've ever heard there's there's swarms of I would hate that job dud sexting that's a good question dudes via only fans and it's their job that'd be

Brian Atlasmy nightmare um well so I have a uh I have a theory on this um hold on let me just I'll wait

Brian Atlastill uh our good friend Maya is uh back here Mia Mia whoops my bad sorry um

Brian Atlasoh so okay here's my theory right on why it's not the best or suboptimal no offense ladies to date a girl who does only fans and I actually acknowledge all the

Brian Atlasarguments from a lot of men make that okay it's digital footprint your nudes are out there on your your boys are going to clown on you your it could lead to your future kids getting bullied I think those arguments are totally valid

Brian Atlasbut I actually think there's a argument that's a step above and it relates to the typing thing so and again I realize not all only fans girls have typers but

Brian AtlasI would argue for example maybe you don't have a tyer but maybe you're not going to be straightforward about the fact that you have a boyfriend and you might be saying to these guys on only fans oh I'm single right I don't know if

Brian Atlasit's the case for you but there's probably certainly women out there who are representing themselves as single and these men think you're single and they're actually trying to romantically pursue you by I guess being simps which

Brian Atlasis a that's a lil don't get me wrong I blame the men for being simps and doing this but this actually occurred to me the other day one of the bigger reasons that I think men should be perhaps

Brian Atlascautious hey don't hate me here when it comes to dating women involved I actually think okay it might actually be

Brian Atlasmore on just this front probably better to date ah I don't know if I'm never mind okay okay hold on hold on no no I'll just stick to the point so these men um hold on let me see

Brian Atlashow do I want to prop properly articulate this okay so a lot of the women who do o they're going to lie about their relationship status they're going to lie about the fact that they respond to their chats

Brian AtlasAKA they have typers and they might just lie in general to get attention right so if it hurts your bottom line to misrepresent about the fact that you

Brian Atlashave a typer cuz you didn't you didn't you probably didn't tell the guys by the way it's a dude texting you right now you probably so they thought they probably had a good faith reasonable belief that they were talking to you but

Brian Atlasthey weren't so you've basically engaged in what my view is a deception a misrepresentation a fraud and I actually do think that this could like if a girl has a tyer and she

Brian Atlasis representing that you can chat with me but actually it's some dude in Bangladesh that's not what the guys are

Brian Atlaspaying for and so technically I think it's fraud like it's actually could be criminal so I think a lot of women who it's not just oh your your nude images

Brian Atlasare out there on the internet you're basically like engaged into some degree criminality misrepresentation lying

Brian Atlasfraud and that does not make for a good long-term person relationship partner and

Brian Atlasso because you're you're becoming skilled in the Arts of deception and

Brian Atlasmisrepresentation agree you lie about you lie if you had a boyfriend you're gonna hide it you're not going to say you're going to say you're single it's basically a romance skim this like this was literally light bulb it this never occurred to me but a lot of only fans

Brian Atlasand I don't know if you guys saw that thing with Ruby Rose this dude who spent this dude who spent $770,000 on Ruby Rose with this expectation that he was maybe gonna have the chance to date or

Brian Atlaslook I don't know what his there's probably a lot more to the story but a lot of these guys build these parasocial and I BL don't get me wrong I don't think it's entirely women's fault like you dude should not be spending no offense ladies I know this is how you

Brian Atlasmake your money dude should not be spending all this money on only fans girls yeah like it's some simp no offense I know that's hurting you I

Brian Atlashave an actual job I'm oh okay sure but so they there's this like created parasocial relationship to fleece lonely men for

Brian Atlasmoney and so to me it occur like it's kind of a romance scam because these men think they're spending they're investing this money into a

Brian Atlasrelationship when I don't know um I mean I I don't think anyone disagrees because it's literally I think it if like let's let's put it this way

Brian Atlaswe could sue these ladies is that what you're saying that it might actually I haven't here no but I actually think it's uh it's like meets the actual legal

Brian Atlasdefinition of either false advertising or fraud if you're being then it's not well sure but if you're saying for example on your only fans I respond to chats and I'm message with me

Brian AtlasI don't have a management company even though they do I don't have a typer even though they do and the guy is paying money in order to have access to you and to be

Brian Atlasable to type with you but it's actually a dude and they're not actually getting the prod like the advertised product

Brian Atlasit's false advertising and it's it's I don't know if it's simal civil fraud or criminal fraud but uh you're making them do gay stuff you know wow that's that's like kind of

Brian Atlasgrapey almost yeah like like you're almost like forcing these dudes to be like you're basically forcing them to be gay grooming them yeah you're really making gay guys out there oh my gosh

Brian Atlasthey don't even know I have a question um I'm getting sleepy how much we're going to WAP we're going to wrap just five minutes five minutes here it makes my eyes wonder when yeah yeah cry um

Kikilet's see here hold on I had let me just sleepy sleepy too one sec guys how am I going to get home guess I'll stay here what

Brian Atlasthe um anyways um I don't know uh oh wait hold

Brian Atlason oh here I was going to pull this up I just saw it I was preemptively waiting for it to come up infinite Singularity romance scams involve deceit for financial benefit exploiting trust falsifying personal details on o for

Brian Atlasfinancial gain is a form of Deceit that exploits trust therefore falsifying details on o is Ain to engaging in a romance scam

Brian Atlasum this person's smart very smart infinite Singularity I've seen them in the chat many times and also wingman W wingman in the you know because for the

Brian Atlasthat one episode wingman okay thank you appreciate it um okay Mia hold on we have a few more notes and I promise I'm going to wrap here uh you said that you've been sought after more for your

Brian Atlassuccess as an entrepreneur as opposed to my appeal for being a sexual adult model on public display Oh My Sweet Summer child oh my

Caragosh no okay so that might be taken into different context I will admit I was very exhausted after when I wrote these messages um okay not not not that that's like any advantage of anything I just

Carawas writing really fast um from that my perspective was with a lot of different people whom I've been sought after either romantically or just even friendship wise a lot of the time instead of just saying oh like she knows

Carawhat the she's doing in bed I actually get the opposite of well you actually like built your own business how did you do that just the interest the excitement of just this is so distinctly different obviously it's not a normal occupation I don't think it

Carashould be normalized but I get that interest a lot of the time not that I even partake in it because reasonably I still find it deceitful a lot of the time when they see an only fans girl they're always going to say I can get

Caraher in bed immediately they cannot obviously they cannot no I don't sleep around but I just think it's very interesting like a lot of the time maybe it is a seat but I will say just a lot

Caraof the time people who interact with me and try to engage with me of any form typically highlight that they're just incredibly interested in just the overall successes that I've developed with my business and how it kind of can

Brian AtlasI give you some game let me give you some game though okay I'm I'm looking out for you here um let me ask and you probably already know this but maybe like the dots haven't been connected

Brian Atlasdo men lie to get laid absolutely okay do men flatter to get laid absolutely so you say that men you're sought after more for your success as an entrepreneur

Brian AtlasI'm saying this is as a whole relation even even in platonic friendships people flatter each other to some end um what I would say though when

Brian Atlasit comes to the men who are romantically interested in you uh they want to you of course they want to hit it mhm um maybe they want to stick around who knows but they definitely want to hit it

Brian Atlasand so they're going to be like oh my God you're so success I mean that's what I got out I love that for you I love

Brian Atlasthat for you you're I'm it's just you're so ambitious I'm just like you're I look you're attractive but like forget that

Brian AtlasI'm just so impressed by your your success in your career if a guy if those words ever leave a dude's mouth he's

Brian Atlasfull of don't believe him he I mean all the dudes want to you probably but he's trying to you oh no absolutely and like and I don't know if you know about dudes oh I don't but

Carathey will say they will try to flatter you of course they will say literally anything no and that's say I I don't engage with it typically but what I have noticed is even then with the people who aren't necessarily doing it romantically it's more of just an aid wow this is

Caraamazing what you're doing not in a flattering way where it's like romantic and I'm going to get some sexual appeal out of it are these men from these not necessarily men like I'm say it can beit also news flash all the dudes want to

Carayou oh absolutely why I was that's why I was open with hey we should wait wait is that what you said no okay no what I'm saying is like a lot of times I've actually been reached out to because of that and not from those

Caraagencies or anything like Meed out reached out to in terms of like people just want to have a real conversation with me because it's interesting one the conversation of just how do you build guys want to have conversations not guys I'm talking

Caraanybody not just men women as well but in addition people DM you just to like I want to talk DM it's like out of out of like acquaintances that I have things like that so it's he do that though yeah but but regardless I've had a lot of

Brian Atlaspeople say just I want to work on men they want to you if it's men they want to you though I'm very private yeah but they but that's the other that's the other fugazi is there are these

Brian Atlasdudes and I criticize men on this too there's dudes who will like PR pretend to like be the friend try to be like friendly with the hopes that down the

Brian Atlasline you're going to want the of course that's was accusing me of oh he was there you go um I agree I agree entirely I'm not disagreeing with it by

Brian Atlasany means I'm just explaining but like if any dude is like oh wow your college degrees oh my God that's so hot it's you played water polo neat it's

Brian Atlasthe Finesse it's the Finesse oh my God I can't oh my God you got a Comm degree oh my God it's also fun to believe compliments I like good ones or real

Brian Atlasones like realistic ones yeah genuine ones men men are really not attracted to your intelligence your no I I intelligence is different but I I would

Brian Atlassay that when it comes to your financial success when it comes to your academic or career achievements when it comes to your status frankly men don't give they no they don't and if they do I

Brian Atlaswould argue like a guy who's like really preoccupied with your status he might just be clout chasing or he might be a bum who wants to use like he wants to uh there's definitely like

Brian Atlasdudes who will um what they're call some girl said the hobosexual like they're broke and they want to like there's a lot of girls making a lot of money I've heard of that and you probably

Brian Atlassuccessful you probably make good money right so they're like okay I'm going to crash at her place and I slang good dick so she'll she'll stick around have you had that with a guy like a good dick

Caraslanger and you're like okay I guess he can live with me I think honestly should dick should he's a dick Smith I I've never really let guys in that easily and even if I do have a conver or like have

Caraa relationship with somebody it's not like oh I'm going to just support I don't support people just out of my kindness not yet have any of you guys had that like oh yes he lived with me he

Ashleydidn't want to any girls oh really yes and I was so common and like I don't have any judgment you call him a boat what was he hobo hobosexual yes

Ashleydefinitely yeah you had a you had a hobosexual he did not want to like offer like to pay for anything and I was like well you're literally in my

Caraapartment the same guy that your ex or no no no no not the nurse x no that guy was also a nurse yeah no

Ashleyno he was like 21 I was like 23 when this all happened and he was like ready to move in and I was like oh yeah we're in a relationship and then yeah I paid for everything and yeah he was

Brian Atlascomfortably like playing his video games oh I wanted to go move on from this um so uh you said that B I think Moder dating has been so

Brian Atlascrazy it's based off sexual releases and having multiple partners over actually seeking real relationships loving mature emotional and filled with lessons I even changed my own dating life due to the scheme of multiple partners by removing

Brian Atlasmyself from having physical relationships with most anyone you've learned to support polyamorous relationships while being Catholic because of the dynamic that is becoming modern day dating so you contradicted

Caramyself so um I've learned a lot about let's go from the back end learned a lot about polyamorous relationships I understand why people have these separate desires I understand especially with my job sexual desires is literally

Caraall I deal with all day and so I've understand under began to understood the reasoning behind why people desire so many partners why people think that is that they are comfortable and more

Caraacceptable with a relationship in which they can have a separate partner in addition a romantic relationship or many paully um I think in addition to that for my own personal relationships I

Carastrive to actually not really have too many especially no physical relationship ship because I've really just never encountered a sustainable relationship from what's going on in modern dating

Caramodern dating consists of rosters multiple partners all these things not that that's necessarily bad have you had that have you had a roster I've had it when I was in the start of my college years and that was where did you go to

Caracollege I went to calply Pomona so where she goes right now calply Pomona oh okay so I went there fast sorry I try I try to say it fast cuz it's not a great School from my perspective roster how

Caramany guys were on the roster I think I want to say like four guys I I wasn't crazy anybody else had a roster roster no she just said that she was like dating but that was all it wasn't like

Athenarer check it's like I have a favorite sorry I have a favorite and then I just have like some guys that are just like around and like we hang out but it's like very like my favorite it's like yeah just come over to your house but

Athenalike other on you smash what no only one oh cuz I feel like if I'm fulfilled with one which yeah whenever I'm fulfilled by the first guy I never hang out with the dudes yeah I mean well it's like I don't know them

Athenavery well so it's like to them they're like oh she's just like a little bit more conservative with it a conservative threesome okay yeah every once in a

Ashleyevery once in a while they get it have you had a roster no never no come on I was like I dated one and then that doesn't work out and then sure uh what about you roster I think is

Savannahthat like talking to multiple people at like once hooking up with yeah you go it could be hooking up it could be there's one guy there's one talking to like multiple people at once but they were all aware of each other like I never

Brian Atlaskept it from anyone yeah wait okay so so how you're so you're Catholic but like how do you reconcile again you said you learn to support polyamorous relationships while being Catholic because of the dynamic

Brian Atlaslike so how do you again how do you reconcile your faith with the fact that you do sex work I reconcile isn't this a sin isn't that a sin it is sin it's a sin yeah like I said so you have to if you want to be true to your Catholic

Carafaith fism don't you have to like delete your only fans right now not necessarily and what do you mean not necessarily well okay okay from my interpretation because what's your interpretation my interpretation is obviously we can have

Caraconfession which is with the priest and confessing to the sins and reconciling with trying to correct them but my understanding my understanding is it's not like so you can't just like

Caracontinuously so what I'm trying sin you have to like of course but what I'm trying to say is I have a very different Dynamic of my interpretation of My Religion because like I said I grew up

Carawith a father that was completely atheist agnostic at times and then went back and forth and Pitter pattered with all that so I have a distinctly different interpretation it's something that my family is succumb to and they

Caraunderstand and they are fine with and I do completely believe in my faith and certain aspects but I as well don't believe in everything I don't necessarily believe that I should I had

Carato save myself for marriage obviously I've had 10 Partners or any of those other things like those more stricter regulations by three and that's the real number sorry sorry my my my

Carafinger slipped my the Catholic faith I I really I hold myself to the strict standard of obviously believing in Christ believing in God believing in just the whole dynamic of that of

CaraBiblical scripture and all that but I don't necessarily hold myself to I have to do this exactly to the Catholic rules because that's not even what I was ever taught from my parents although I did go to Catholic School although I did attend

Brian Atlasmath and all these things uh okay all right well I'm not going to okay oh also your Twitter reads Catholic by the way

Brian Atlasyour favorite Latina Girlfriend yes and you do BG correct I do has it has it been with just one guy on there

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