PSYCHO Feminist KICKED OUT?! 1 RAGE QUIT?! CRYING?! Andrew Wilson! E-girls! | Dating Talk #126

Date: 2023-12-11

Duration: 7h 21m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSavannah (DT126)>

AAshley (DT126)>

AAthena (DT126)>

AAndrew Wilson >

KKiki (co-host DT126)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_02Ashley(guest)

SPEAKER_03V (Velvet)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_05Mia / Jeff Dye(guest)

SPEAKER_06Ashley(guest)

SPEAKER_07Cara(guest)

SPEAKER_08Athena(guest)

SPEAKER_09Savannah(guest)

SPEAKER_10Kiki(guest)

SPEAKER_11Athena(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteAthena reveals she accidentally reported a suspected credit card fraudster to hotel security while drunk, causing him to disappear for two months.

“I just go I know he's doing crime to the concierge... and then he just disappeared off the face of the Earth for two months”

ControversyAthena attempts to leave mid-show for first time, citing discomfort and a 'male platonic friend' getting mad.

“I think I just want to go... I don't know I just not feeling it”

ControversyV/Vel confronts Brian about not greeting guests before the show. Brian deflects; Andrew calls her a 'spoiled brat'. Jeff de-escalates.

“I kind of feel disrespected”

OtherAshley (pink shirt/SPEAKER_06) leaves the show after Andrew Wilson calls her a 'skank' on air. Andrew declines to apologize.

“he called me skank... Andrew do you want to apologize... under no circumstances I stand by what I said”

OtherBrian invites Kiki (off-camera co-host) to join the panel mid-show to replace the departed Ashley.

“welcome Kiki you're going to contribute far more to this conversation than that woman”

OtherAthena walks off panel in tears after seeing hostile live chat comments. Returns ~5 minutes later.

“I just need a little break... I've never been in a situation like this before”

QuoteV/Vel discloses she punched two police officers on separate occasions and broke into an ex's apartment with a patio chair, stealing his social security card.

“I got really lucky... I have um no record... punched a cop in the face which is a felony and I got a citation”

QuoteV/Vel discloses history with SeekingArrangements (sugar dating/sex work) while calling herself a traditional woman and radical feminist.

“there is no such thing as going on a date with a guy and thinking you're not going to have to touch them... that is 100% you're paying for sex”

ControversyV/Vel escalates from general feminist claims to asserting the vast majority of men are innately pedophiles. Brian, Jeff, and Andrew push back demanding evidence. Brian prepares to kick her off.

“I think the vast majority yes innately yes biologically yes... if granted the opportunity to get away with having sex with a 15-year-old girl with no repercussions they would do it”

ControversyBrian kicks V/Vel off the show after she claims the vast majority of men are pedophiles by nature.

“get the get the off the show... out you go”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

Guests introduce names, ages, occupations, and locations. Brian introduces Andrew Wilson as call-in guest. Relationship status round.

Age gaps and dating older men

Athena's relationship with a 29-31yo real estate billionaire at age 18. Debate over whether age gaps are inherently problematic. Billionaire details questioned by Andrew.

Feminist identity / definitions of feminism

Discussion of who identifies as feminist, definitions from first through fourth wave feminism, TERF positions, radical feminism vs. traditionalism. V/Vel's contradictory self-labeling as both radical feminist and traditional woman is central.

Women's legal equality and abortion rights

Whether men and women are legally equal in the US. Athena argues women are disadvantaged; Brian and Andrew counter that men lack bodily autonomy (selective service). Abortion debate briefly touched.

Prison reform and incarceration

Sparked by men's bodily autonomy / military conscription discussion. Athena states she 'doesn't believe in prison'; debate over rehabilitation vs. punishment, private vs. federal prisons.

Greater male variability hypothesis and intelligence

Brian raises the greater male variability hypothesis. Andrew explains it: men show greater variance in intelligence at extremes. Jeff asks for evolutionary explanation.

V/Vel's criminal history and confrontational behavior

V/Vel discloses two arrests for battery on police officers, breaking into ex's apartment with a patio chair, stealing his social security card and passport. Tensions escalate. Brian accuses her of trolling. Andrew calls her 'spoiled brat'.

Sex work, OnlyFans, and sugar daddies

V/Vel discloses sex work past on SeekingArrangements. Cara (Mia) discloses current adult content work. Discussion of OnlyFans typers, parasocial relationships, fraud concerns, whether OnlyFans negatively impacts relationship prospects. Catholic faith vs. sex work reconciliation.

Male oppression vs. female oppression

Wide-ranging debate: military conscription, sentencing disparities, police brutality statistics, wage gap debunking, circumcision at birth. Brian argues male oppression (draft) dwarfs all female grievances combined. Athena concedes some points.

Dating standards: height, first-date payment, traditionalism

Height preferences around the table. Whether men should pay on first dates. Brian's argument that traditional treatment must be earned in the modern dating market.

OnlyFans, typers, and romance scam theory

Brian develops theory that OnlyFans typers constitute legal fraud/false advertising/romance scam. Discussion of parasocial dynamics, men spending large sums expecting emotional connection.

Wage gap debate

Brian debunks wage gap citing hours worked, job type, seniority, education. Compares to male workplace injury/death gap. Cara (Mia) defends her mother's welding career as example.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsoncelebrities are that they got together with or things like that I feel like if it was men who were on the show they would tell us they'd say I hooked up with Mariah you know they they would tell us what do you think the motivation

Brian Atlasis behind the women not telling us who these celebrities are do you full of I I don't think it's that they're full of I think it's just like being discreet and discretion and obviously respecting these people's

Brian Atlasprivacy and some maybe there's ndas there could even be ndas involved some of these Justin Bieber that has chicks signed ndas and so if they're famous enough they

Mia / Jeff Dyecan get away with the NDA yeah so there's it could be that there's also an element of we'd start criticizing whether they're a real celebrity or not you start playing that game like oh really this Tik Tock streamer is the

Brian Atlascelebr you you have it okay let's pull up the IG respecting like their privacy this is Kyra's Instagram we'll scroll down a little bit Nick a little smaller

Brian Atlason the video no no no no no no us us smaller okay

Brian Atlasoh my yeah bigger if the acid is in water it doesn't count as there was I swear there was another photo uh scroll down wait click on the first I mean the

Brian Atlasthe the last one I mean yeah click click yeah put put us oh is there oh we don't have a smaller one on the other side huh

Brian Atlascan you just hide us for a sec okay that there's that one X slay and then there's the the red dress one

Brian Atlasyeah there's I mean it's not I seen worse you know I don't know if it's traditional I think you can CL a red flag there's only eight pictures up

Andrew Wilsonhere X Out that' make me have some that is um what we call traditionally a skank that's traditionally what that's referred to skank grp that's crazy it's not referred to as a

Andrew Wilsontraditional woman like there's no traditional woman who would put those picks up what what what in the world would be traditional about that you guys begged her to come back and you like no no come on like if

Athenayou want to talk about this we can talk about this didn't they want you to come back to argue and then like to be on the podcast that's Andrew that's Andrew this is me you're right you're right sorry so

Savannahthat's kind of a feel like pictures don't like well also just like what like just because she's posting like hot pictures of herself what does it mean anything about her character well okay

Brian Atlaswhen it comes to being TR one aspect of traditionalism or being traditional is is hold on is Modesty in appearance and character so you're and then also like

Savannahwhat you're putting out there publicly okay modesty is a component of traditionalism but also you have to take into account the way that the internet is today that's which is a very

Athenanon-traditional like degenerate we didn't have pictures pictures didn't exist when traditionalism was invented and also you know please did you miss that traditionalism invented say that

Athenaagain please not invented but like the way that things are I mean it wasn't like so one day someone was like it's going to be like this but like yeah but sex we didn't have iPhones at least but like I'm just

Brian Atlassaying you're what what are you doing what do you mean what do you mean if you can talk so you're not going to rejoin the panel of course going to rejoin how long has she been up for not that long

Brian Atlaslike 5 minutes like stop crying but yo yo yo I'm not crying but like there's a certain level of decorum that you need to adhere to on the podcast it's it's not there's not going to be a

Brian Atlasnegotiation of I will get to sit back down when I get to talk please join the panel what you literally said you literally said I will rejoin the panel

Brian Atlaswhen I get to talk that's not how this goes will you will you kind that is ex am I am I making this up is that exactly what she said that is that's literally exactly Verbatim what you said I'm

Brian Atlaskindly asking if you will please rejoin the panel so we don't have people walking around in the background kindly

Brian Atlasplease God bro this is a child care Jesus Christ daycare

Athenatonight um can we talk about decorum cuz um you like I think it's kind of rude to like have people come that you're just

Athenameeting and and they're your guests like you're hosting and I didn't feel like you were as kind as you could have been before the podcast started how's your decorum when you meet people I mean you didn't introduce yourself I'm busy I'm

V (Velvet)busy doing other things I'm not too busy to say hello yes too busy to say hello to say h to say hello to your guest you could have it from across the room while typing hey sorry I'm super busy how are

Brian Atlasyou guys good yeah no excuse or anything you walked in you ignored every sing speaking of deorum speaking of decorum coming from you before the show you

Brian Atlassaid I am here come get me dude I'm hungry please respond or I will go get a Sam Sandwich and we said be down in a moment and then you said it's like not that hard to answer the door I kind of

Brian Atlasfeel disrespected and don't know how much longer I'm going to wait um we have there's a lot of moving parts to this podcast Madison our one of our helpers she's out sick Nick has some stuff going

Brian Atlason too there's a lot of moving parts we had a ton of people flake today yeah we weren't able to get to the door immediately to let you in that's not by the way that's common that's common I've

Andrew Wilsonbeen on the podcast multiple times and uh they haven't always been able to start right on time that's uh that's very common for a podcast like this was he supposed to roll out the red carpet and kiss your asses is that what is that

Mia / Jeff Dyewhat you're saying I also don't talk to my guest before my podcast just because I don't want to have anything that we could have used on the thing can I can I ask a question so Andrew God is all I'm

V (Velvet)saying Andrew you have your own podcast do you have guests on your podcast when you when you all the time yeah so whenever they come in do you ever when they come into your space or Studio do

Brian Atlasyou say hello to them Nick who is my I'm just I'm asking him can you chill no but you're you're trying to attack you're trying to you're trying stop interrupting you're trying to you

Brian Atlasinterrupted me I'm asking question once again I am the host go I have yes as the host of the podcast can you answer the question when you have a moment do you say hello to your guests

Andrew Wilsonwhen they come on and be totally honest you know okay so I'll tell you the distinction like if I were Brian I would have already kicked off half of you that's that's how good he is and how bad I am at my job I would have already

V (Velvet)kicked most of you off if you were if you do you say hello to your guests when they come on when they I'll tell you this much I'm asking andw Andrew doesn't Andrew I my understanding is Andrew doesn't have an in-person podcast no

Brian Atlasthat's correct I don't have in I do video podcasting Nick Nick there I have an agent Nick is my agent he greets you on my behalf I am busy on your behalf

Brian Atlaswell and also yo yo yo I don't need hold on check yourself I don't need the attitude it's been all night with you relax no you've come in with a very nasty attitude you have been like this for very moment no I haven't

Savannahyou've been very nasty no I I really not have yes you have no I think you're just hyper for sensitive 30 what does 304 mean boys it's coming okay I just personally think

Savannahlike I understand where you're coming from because you run a podcast and you're like trying to like cuz we got here an hour before the live stream started right so you're like you're trying to figure out what's going to happen What like your points are and all

Savannahthis stuff so you don't really have time to say hi to people and like how you're saying like he is very like oh hi like I didn't feel disrespected at all I appreciate thank you he gave me tortilla chips so that that guy

Brian Atlaswe we have complimentary food we have drinks we provide you guys with water fine it's not to be debated it's fine I'm like I don't know why we're getting into the meta of my conduct before the

Brian Atlaspodcast I don't think it's rude for me to be heavily bear in mind we had a ton of flakes tonight I don't want to get into that people are running late I'm

Brian Atlastrying to to operate a a smooth show and when people cancel people are are late job right you're you're Wicked look at how she's smiling right now this

Brian Atlaschick's Wicked well this is your job though right this yes this is my job trying to C in the ship that's all yeah also I keep in mind when it came to if you were to go to a certain Miami

Brian Atlaspodcast you would have been kicked off already and the guy the main host he doesn't talk he you don't even see him until the moment the show starts he's in

Brian Atlasanother have you been on fnf no I just I know how like things work no my the main host he doesn't talk to anybody before the show I I talked to some of you've been on fnf no I haven't but I have a

Caralot of people that I know I think like I came in here I didn't expect to have the conversation prior I've worked on a lot of podcasts and streams at the end of the day we're working together it's not like hey besties hey friends like any of that

V (Velvet)yeah this I your friends it's a little crooked because you and I we had spoken before hold on you and I you and I we spoke outside we were like totally bonded and when we got in here you and I

Carasat on the couch together and we both had knowledge like oh he has kind of a weird energy he didn't even say any of us so now you're like I'm not Pitter pattering all I'm saying is yeah like it's he had two other people greet us

Carathat's nice they must be a your assistance of some sort I'm not saying that it's necessarily rude I'm just saying but you did say it was rude on the C most I'm I'm good we'll change it host

CaraI'm saying is at the end of the day in his perspective in the way that he's presenting himself I'm stating it is understandably that he wouldn't interact with us because at the end of the day we're not friends we're just meeting each other we're literally colleagues at this very

Athenamoment and having a conversation online it's nothing personal hey guys I didn't mean like roll out the red carpet as you said like you took what I said which is I didn't get a high and you confli I'm not obliged this is how women view

Brian Atlasthings I'm not obliged to come and say hi to you why didn't I could just flip this on you why didn't any of you say hi to me I did Sayo when you're that's very true no you do know that he's busy yeah

Brian Atlashe was in a game I say did you guys did you not see how hectic it was before and like getting everything set up sorry that I did not engage you in a

Brian Atlasfive minute convers that I I don't want to talk to you for five minutes I walked in I said hey I was to who I was sitting over here what are you talking about I walked in I go

V (Velvet)hey like I was so excited who did you say hi to I was over here I'm not even visible to the I was at I went to the kitchen island I don't get to it guys okay I said hi I I'm I was very excited to come here I still am very excited to

V (Velvet)come here and I am extremely thankful really genuinely I like what you do I really do I think you're really I think you're I think you're

V (Velvet)controversial you get people's blood boiling and I think and I I'm addicted to a lot of your content I think you're extremely you're obnoxious thank you for the endorsement though I'll put that on

Brian Atlasmy I'll put that on my uh your resum resume thank you that's that's wonderful um okay so thank God bro it's they're imagine being married to this

Brian Atlaswoman the nagging I I'm not even dating this woman I'm not your boyfriend you don't you're not going to come on my podcast and nag me about oh you were not acting in a way that I wanted you to act

Brian Atlasand you didn't greet me in the precise way that I would I would have liked to have been greeted I didn't even say any of that I'm sure you drive I would imagine you drive your boyfriend's crazy

Andrew Wilsondo you like you're nagging me I'm not even your dude like imagine the dude that you date holy bro Brian Brian listen you're such a control freak why couldn't you just let her get a sandwich

Andrew WilsonBrian why couldn't you just let her get a sandwich that was her no she went and got a sandwich she came up with a sandwich also I don't want to pick on

Mia / Jeff Dyeanybody but you did say I've never even heard of this podcast and if I don't like it all leave that was your words and you and you guys asked me the questions like I work here I was like I don't work here I know I'm 80

Mia / Jeff Dyebut I don't work here it's all right I just if we're going to all talk about this which I'm surprised we're talking about I respect you enough to not do that now that I

TTS/Donationsknow you do what leave okay good King donated $200 this is the problem with modern women they lack humility emotional

Brian Atlascontrol and proper manners in a public setting but they're [Music] hot it basically turned into a whataboutism like she I was like yo

Brian Atlasyou're standing back there and you're I will rejoin the table when it's when I have an opportunity to speak that was my criticism then you felt the need to like

Brian Atlasokay let's address this alleged or imagined or supposed grievance before the show you not I didn't I didn't well I think it's an imagined grievance but it's true that I did not imagined

Brian Atlasbecause I spoke to multiple girls on the show and they all say the same thing multiple girls these show what do you mean like from this show yes no not you okay which girl objected to me not

Brian Atlassaying hi to you because there she came she arrived at 5:00 p.m. she was late there's Mia here there's her me and I were outside okay and all that I stated

Carainside when I entered I the studio was I immediately went to the restroom you immediately want in here if we're going to say he said she said what she did all that stuff I actually went to the restroom before I could even see if

Caraanybody greeted one another and I think you three were actually in here and I was like okay I come out of the restroom you say oh he hasn't greeted anybody I say has anything been done I say that's odd that's all I said doesn't mean that

Mia / Jeff DyeI'm saying oh he's a terrible man any of that I'm just not that you're saying that but I'm just saying like I didn't go about that when you go to a TV show or a podcast or even your friend's house or a house party or

Mia / Jeff Dyeanything you're just kind of a the social situation that's all it is and everything could be different and then you also sometimes think yourself well maybe this is normal for this like it's crazy we're even debating I had some chips talk to those

Mia / Jeff Dyeclowns over there they were nice guys and obviously he's in work mode so I'm going hey let Brian Cook I've seen what he does on the show so I'll get to meet him on the show and I will say it is a podcast standard maybe not yours and maybe not whatever I have three

Mia / Jeff Dyepodcasts and the eate on ours is if I start talking to her before the show right she'll be like oh and I went to this movie with this guy and he's and then I go well but and you why say the podcast because when you try to recreate that moment organically it

Mia / Jeff Dyefeels all I'm like damn it we should have had that on the Pod yeah but and I'm a talker so I don't shut up and I'm not the I'm not as motivated or as successful as him because I don't get done before the podcast well you're

Andrew Wilsonalso missing a key element which is that you're not a spoiled brat so that that's also I was about to get mad what do you mean I'm missing a key element D no uh no I I didn't I I don't want a I don't

V (Velvet)want primitive conversation I'm totally agree I think that if you were to have a conversation if you were to have seen me and said hey what are you doing where did you come from what did it would have probably progressed into something I don't want to have a conversation the podcast that's what for the podcast is

Ashleyfor why would I want to have a conversation a hello would do he was just busy everyone just busy I drove like 15 hours to be here and I have one

Ashleysaid anything and like some people some people got up and because they weren't getting any attention or haven't spoken I haven't spoken at all and I haven't

V (Velvet)ien amount of energy but you're hot beautiful keep going back to that I think I think um my my I'll just say this is when I had spoken up you had

V (Velvet)looked at me you go you've you've done enough talking so I went okay so like I did I say that I don't remember I don't think I said that yes you did yes you did I'll take things for never happened

V (Velvet)for 200 Al I'm I but it did but it did listen there's a lot of conversation going on I don't think I said that don't remember that said that you were like okay the attention will come back to you

V (Velvet)like some is going to happen say whatever and I and and then I stayed quiet so that's what I'm saying is like whenever I feel like an organically can come in the conversation I would love to enter back in I just I don't know where

V (Velvet)I'm welcome to speak without being told I can't yo the gentlemen who are watching the solipsism yo you don't need to mock me

Brian AtlasWhat's your deal like if I'm speaking you don't need to repeat the words in which I just said in a mocking condescending way I also say that it's Peak female entitlement that we spent 30 minutes

Brian Atlasarguing about you didn't say hi to me Brian I agree Andrew I don't want to talk about I don't want talk the solipsism is on what I was going to say this is solipsism on display it's all me

Brian Atlasme me I'm the center of the universe so okay I have a question for you though to give you a little bit of attention and I'll ask all the other girls here at the

Brian Atlastable um you're a feminist um let's see are you asking I'm sorry I don't know who you're looking who you're asking yes I'm talking to you

V (Velvet)um you consider yourself a feminist do you consider yourself liberal in your politics not at all okay definitely more conservative leaning for sure okay I think I I think technically be

Brian Atlaslibertarian would you prefer the world without men never do you think that you can be uh racist against white people yes do you think you can be sexist against men yes

Brian Atlasokay anybody else I want to go around the table on that actually can you be racist towards white people can you be sexist against men starting with I guess you Jeff you know my views on all that I think I just assum you be right you're

Caraprototypical you know well I mean um I guess I'm prototypical go ahead if I can yeah go ahead yes I can be both sexist towards men and go ahe

Mia / Jeff Dyewhat was the [Laughter] question do you think things go both ways do you think men can be treated sexist do you think you can be racist to white people do you find

Brian Atlasyourself can you be racist towards white people can you be sexist towards men can you scoot into the table a little bit so you can get like you can huh

Athename I'm going to go honestly why are you going to go I just I just don't I just feel like disrespected by the other guy and then which other guy the one on the

AthenaAndrew how how wa before before you leave how did he disrespect you cuz he called me he called me a name I don't know what he said I think what did you call skank he called me skank Andrew do you want to apolog Andrew can you do you

Brian Atlaswant to apologize God I don't think if you're uncomfortable then um absolutely under no circumstances I stand by exactly what I said do me a favor just get up just leave you haven't contributed anything

TTS/Donationsso just donated $200 the girl in pink his hi I'm taking her out of the description common side effect of genital herpes affecting hip

TTS/Donationsto waste ratio and Metabolism this is a contagious she was I mean she want qued she's been wanting to leave for a while May she's a little bit she's a little more

Andrew Wilsonsensitive but that's that's fair I was obviously we we're teasing teasing back and forth but but she she clearly wanted to no she already wanted to leave I I tried to Wrangle her back you did effectively

Brian Atlasyes I did Wrangle her back I tried it's funny because she was like oh I don't feel like I'm part of the conversation I direct all of the attention of the conversation onto her and then she well I I don't know if I want to

Brian Atlastalk there's a weird thing happening with that bro this panel tonight is honestly one of the worst we've had to you guys but I'm so Nick let's pull out let's throw ke Jeff would you be down to move

Brian Atlasthat chair and let's have Kiki join the because truthfully Kiki will be more will contribute more to this conversation than will that woman in the

Brian Atlaspink holy crap welcome Kiki you're going to contribute far more to this conversation than that woman do that I'll be right back thank you stop she

Savannahwas she was a sweet girl I knew you defend her I just knew you I'm not say I knew you would just take the opposite of whatever happens here she's sweet I just there was also just like no conversation it was just like I don't I don't I don't

Brian Atlasknow maybe she didn't expect to be asked certain things I don't know and now we we have somebody crying out what the is going on tonight I's yeah she's the the the her she's crying over I

Caradon't know what is happening so what is happening tonight Jesus Christ why do you think that is I blame me if she's crying I I don't blame you I'll just go I'll just I'll just say everyone is leaving that's crazy she's been making

Caraso much commentary about her being 19 nobody else has made that commentary and then she initially said is that what she's upset about no I don't know but is like I think it's so ironic that she's been saying oh she's

Savannah19 and asking like oh is there like but I just for that I just don't understand why like people came on this podcast expecting to not have a conversation no one's going to agree

Brian Atlaswith your I I want to say this every single girl we need to put a microphone out there um honestly no every like Jersey short type blind out there

Brian Atlasso I appreciate you guys for having I don't even think you guys have thick skin but this is like truthfully this has been we've had way it's literally just a conversation it's a conversation

Brian Atlasit hasn't even been that heavy but like every single girl that's on this panel uh requested to be on the show correct so it's like it's one thing if you didn't know what you're getting into but like every single girl reached out to us

Brian Atlasfirst to be on the show especially that girl and she was she was an hour late oh yeah and we delayed sorry guys that's why we started late she was she arrived at like 5:00 p.m. we tell the girls to

Carabe there at 400 p.m. all these other women were very kind they were very punctual actually I'm also not offended that you didn't say hi to me like I just like this I feel bad like I'm not going to lie yes she did say that like oh like

Carahe didn't say hi to us and I did agree I was like okay and I was just being friendly and like I was bring friendly equally as to you because we're still going to have the conversation absolutely not agree with any of my to come here and be like

Carabesties with you like right away like we're having a conversation we're just going to have a light conversation if I get to introduce myself prior oh just using the bathroom okay all right you okay all right uh was she

V (Velvet)okay what's going on yeah you're a horrible person why is she a horrible hor person no I don't think you're a horrible maybe is that just hyperbole I

V (Velvet)think she's uh was I hyperbolic it's I think that you know like I said I you you you think you antagonized her

V (Velvet)and specifically yeah she hasn't even been involved in the conversation for she was she was involved in the conversation for the first half and you were going she's on the podcast this is

Athenahow these things work I'm 100% so she had a delayed a 1 hour later uh that I mean I I'll let her speak for Let Her speak exactly exactly I just wanted a

AthenaBreak um can you sit can you can you sit please can you sit I just like need a little break it's I've never been in a situation like this before and I will defend myself when I get back um but I

Brian Atlaswould prefer if you didn't um talk about me while I can't defend myself yeah that's fine but wait wait wait but what situation like we weren't none of the conversation was even directed at you

Athenayeah I've just never I've never been on a podcast before so I've never experienced looking at a screen that insults me who who I don't even know the

Brian Atlasmessages we don't it would pop up the messages would pop up the girl in Black I'm also I mean we told we told you before the show we told you before the show I'm not hold on hold on just

Brian Atlaslet me let me say this so maybe this might be uh encouraging we told you before the show the internet is anonymous right it is like people are toxic on the internet the chat can be

Brian Atlastoxic in any Community whe whether it's a girl who listen we granted we have a controversial show but you could go to like a someone a girl who's like streaming video games and the chat's going to be toxic like they're

Brian Atlastalkx it's the Internet it's Anonymous people are going to be toxic don't take it seriously like they're this is kind of almost the reaction some of these people want is to get a rise out of you that's why I didn't want to come back and then you told me to come sit down guys I didn't want to know that what I

Athenadon't well I don't know what they say but I'd be happy to if you want to take a break take a break yeah I just wanted a break so just don't talk about me and then we can talk about it later that's fine I I know it's not I know

Brian Atlasit's not um 100% logical cuz I know what you said is true um it's just an emotional reaction I almost feel like it might be no but I think you're like you're a strong individual I think it might even be better like the stronger

Savannahmove for us to just continue on with the conversation and work through it I mean like I definitely understand like the internet is very like toxic but I'm not going to cry in front of incels

Brian AtlasI'm not I'm not asking you whoa whoa okay she wants a prank she can have a prank fine no it's fine if she wants to have a break but it's rude to you're only inviting if you're going to call

Andrew Wilsonthem in cells it's only inviting further animosity towards you uh but at the beginning of the the podcast I was here uh as I have been

Andrew Wilsonmany times listening to the rules and listening to how it goes and I remember each one of the guests was prepped by being told hey the chat's going to be mean correct that's the way that they operate so I mean you kind of knew what

V (Velvet)you were getting into a little bit 100% she's also 19 years old she also requested to be on you keep saying I agree and I will always keep

V (Velvet)saying it she's just like say that no she's not she's an adult on a podcast you're dismissing her like she's

Cara5y I'm not but just because she's she 19 regardless of her AG were you at 19 what were you at 19 regardless of her age she was prefaced just as each and every single one of us was that do not look at

Carathe chat if you willingly look at the chatly

Caraand even if she did do so willingly which she obviously did that is fine as did I as did all of us because we have laughed and giggled at it just remember it is a lie or it is just jackasses on the internet who are just trying

Carato put you down don't take it to understandably yes they compliment you then hold it to your heart they're complimenting titties and everything else it's fine we're it's a compliment take it if you'd like but at the end of the day she was preface that's all it actually was and it's also just people

V (Velvet)on the internet that you will never there there's one thing to preface there's one thing to experience she's if I was 19 if I was 19 years old on this podcast I would kill myself or excuse me

V (Velvet)sorry okay well that's crazy oh my God I can't say that I can't say that word I'm sorry I would that's just exaggerated I would uh not exaggerating I I I would be so I hyper sens over opinions on the

Savannahinternet that you don't know 1,00% and that's how a lot of to answer your question Jeff this has been one of the truthfully this is women women wom and worst it that's not even what he was

Brian Atlassaying I would say this has probably been one of the more complicated shows we've we've had I mean typically most people like I would like obviously we

Brian Atlasget into debates and disagreements on the show but most of the time even despite getting into debates and disagreements the show runs otherwise fairly smoothly for example pink girl here like most girls they get up if they need to go to the bathroom they go to

Brian Atlasthe bathroom they come back they continue on with the

Brian Atlasback oh I don't want to talk about anything okay lady um but also I need to give her attention now because you haven't said anything see this is this is a wonderful woman here

Brian Atlasbecause she's not had an opportunity to really say much but she's being courteous and listening to not just me but to everybody here and not making a

Andrew Wilsonfit when she's not getting enough words in so has a really good attitude doesn't she really good attitude doile submissive very sweet what no not submissive and sweet just a good

Mia / Jeff Dyeattitude a good a good attitude I feel like you think we can only like things if it's bad no even when we gave her a compliment you saw it said any of that

Mia / Jeff Dyewas bad you saw some sort ofing you think that's a bad meaning I think you've got some very negative undertones like the fact that we compliment her on listening and saying we want to talk to her you go oh yeah you guys just like her cuz she's being

Andrew WilsonDole and submissive that's good attit wrong and wrong no she's solipsistic that's it she's solipsistic he learned this word two days ago Sor he heard the word Sol solipsism

Andrew Wilsontwo days ago she you constantly feel the need tell me tell me please do you know what solipsism means tell us what solipsism means hell no I don't know what that is so I'm asking you yeah you don't know you don't know but you say he just

Brian Atlasheard it two days you don't even know what you're talking exactly so where did you learn it okay or you learned it six years but if you don't know what it means then why are you even debating keep here here's I I want to do an an

Brian Atlasanalysis here we keep like breaking down into this like meta of like I say something and then we must analyze what was said and it totally derails the

Brian Atlasconversation I'm going to ask the entire panel I'm not going to call anybody out specifically can we not get into like a

Brian Atlasmeta conversation about like the the underlying let's just like have a conversation please so DJ alert go no

Brian Atlasthis that's like literally exactly what I'm talking about I'm going no but like if if somebody says something you don't need to like add a little quip oh let me

Ashleyadd a little W quip I won't talk I won't talk that's s daddy being more rude having manners and being respectful I w't talk I won't talk it's just like every little comment is you can good

Brian Atlasyeah you can be good I W talk I talk no but even even the way you're saying that is like this sort of likeing like Brady just be like oh my bad here oh my

Andrew Wilsonbad you're constantly interrupting tell me I'm trying to do it right teach me I'm sorry I'm dumb woman oh that's what that's what he means by don't need these constant is

Andrew Wilsonthis how you talk to people in reality do you do you say you just learned that word two days ago or you just kind of a brat the whole time you think we can engage in a good faith combo I'm so sorry okay I'll go like the the what a

Brian Atlasnormal person might do is like oh shoot my bad okay no worries oh shoot my bad I'm so sorry my my sorry worries I mean she's not even being good faith now so

Brian Atlasokay totally I I completely don't believe her at all it's okay so um for you uh DJ Ashley registered nurse professional DJ professional model

Brian Atlasentrepreneur you said in your pre-show notes to us that you provided you were uh forced to become a nurse in my ex-boyfriend request at the end of my

Brian Atlassemester of finishing I got cheated on with a coworker that I wasn't supposed to worry about even after finding evidence of him cheating like restaurant receipts secret notes inside his

Brian Atlascar is there any reason you're covering your mouth like that is it like are you mocking me because you're like oh he told me not to no no no no sorry it's like a probably like a nervous sh so bad

Brian Atlasfaith sorry okay can you please at least let me finish this part with her okay my pocket I'm sorry go psycho guy who even got violent with his family member and

Brian Atlasme choking me after he J damn what the threatened me to jump off a moving car on the freeway wouldn't admit he cheated and had to blame it on one of his family members uh doesn't sound like the best relationship he he forced you

Ashleyto become a nurse though doesn't that take like years to like to become an RN right yes like four years like he forced you like studi that biology son yeah he told me if I wasn't going to do anything

Ashleythen um he was going to leave me so I he wanted me to become a nurse just like he did and so I did the whole like process of becoming a nurse and then my last semester he ended up cheating on me with a cooworker that I wasn't supposed to

Ashleyworry about yeah it was pretty messy and then on my last semester in clinical I had to go to the hospital that they both worked at and you know follow follow them around and stuff like that so it was

Ashleypretty messy do you enjoy nursing now I do it gives um I feel like my due diligence I get well paid like off you know yeah that's

Brian Atlassweet okay vve I have some pre-show notes here for you actually wait before we get into that let me just check if we have any chats that we need to read no I think we're actually

Brian Atlasfully um no we'll we'll do it later I feel like I missed a chat here but no I think we're good um did you quickly want to it sounded like

Brian Atlasyou wanted to address something did you want to you said when I come back when I've had a chance to cool down I'd like to talk about something or does she want to talk more I'm good to talk but I Oh I

Athenathought I got the sense that we kind of covered I do you want to go more in depth on oh if you want to speak it's okay okay um I meant to quietly excluse

AthenaEXC excuse myself for a second um and then come back when I I was okay which probably would have been like 5 minutes um and then I mean I like you you could probably see it in my face a little bit but I really wasn't going to make it a

Athenathing and I like I don't know what was said about me while I was gone and then it turned into like some kind of argument and then it turned into like trying to delve into this whole thing I really just wanted to have a second to

Athenamyself collect myself and then come back okay so I I didn't really like that like I it got dug into like that without me here you know but can I ask like what

Savannahmade you cry like why why were you like upset oh I'm sorry dude come on I got uncomfortable when I touch I'll fre it I'll fre it like what what made you upset like why did you feel the need to

Athenalike walk off I wasn't walk I was just taking a little break like I just didn't I don't know like it just like I don't it was just overwhelming really yeah it was overwhelming that's a good word for

Athenait and um I said mean things in the moment that I did not mean um which is why I wanted to take a break so

AthenaI wouldn't say those kind of things that's fair um so yeah I just I'll apologize for all that some of the comments were upset upset well like I don't like I yeah I just didn't want to give them the satisfaction and then I

Athenagave them exactly what they wanted and it's not everyone it's like two people you know um but yeah I'm kind of sad that I didn't get the opportunity just to handle it quietly by myself that's fine

Brian AtlasI apologize for the whole thing it's okay welcome welcome back if it's fine that you needed to uh take a breather welcome back to the uh panel okay

Brian Atlasum it's been an interesting uh it's been an eventful night let's say um okay so uh there was something on your profile

Brian Atlaswere you arrested for something like you said something about a mug shot or or no there's something about I forgot in your pre-show notes you mentioned a mug shot so I was con confused about that me yeah

Mia / Jeff Dyetwice rested for what punching cops in the face both times

V (Velvet)yep um context punching cops in the face yeah that's not a charge oh it is it is and it carries it so well how how deep

V (Velvet)do you want moderator how how deep do you want me to go into it I'm totally I'm up open my book I can literally talk about anything I don't want uh were you you were charged were you prosecuted

V (Velvet)um prosecuted no and and most of the time offenses of against cops aren't they're usually dropped immediately cuz they're actually extremely common and

Brian Atlasjudges don't give a especially if you're white and a woman I'm actually Andrew I don't know if you want to weigh on this I'm actually starting to believe that she's a a

Andrew Wilsontroll maybe like I'm actually yeah so so listen how I mean at this point I think you got to go with your gut bro no think you got to go with here I mean at at at

Andrew Wilsonsome point we got to get some sanity back can we all just make a just a a nice agreement right now that going forward we're all going to be as good faith as we can in this conversation we already had this massive meta conversation about the conversation then

Andrew Wilsonwe had a conversation about that conversation can we just try to all be adults and try to um kind of move forward here uh without you know uh

Brian Atlasbeing trolls and being I want to point out so um who like who drove here from Los Angeles where did you come from Al Paso

Brian AtlasTexas you flew here right I drove so if you're here if you're here to troll and we mentioned this before the show would

Brian Atlasnever she's yeah she's serious right now if you're stop stop if you're here to troll like if you don't if you object to the whatever podcast you don't like it

Brian Atlasthat's totally fine but bear in mind this isn't a one-on-one interview if you're like coming on to troll whatever but people spent time and money to be here like if you're with me fine

Brian AtlasI came from Boston I would never troll for this uh that's kind of irrelevant but but the way you're conducting yourself is now leading me to believe I thought initially you're just bad faith

Brian Atlasbut now I actually think you're trolling no if you don't if you don't like the whatever podcast totally cool whatever podcast but as as to be respectful to the other guests who have

Brian Atlasspent time and money to be here she flew here she spent money to be here I can guarantee I spent money please I'm at like she drove I can guarante I spent more you drove from it that's it's not a

V (Velvet)competition spent more no I know I you just said you spent a lot of money I said I'm spend a lot of more I would never come on a podcast to troll spending thousands of I like like are you manic never no no no but you asked me

V (Velvet)about my arrest story do you want to hear about it or not I'll tell you I'll tell you completely exctly actually punched two police officers in the face the first time was one the second time

V (Velvet)was multiple but the fir the the second one was kicked in the head and then it was three like battered but the first one

Andrew Wilsonthat was absolutely in the face how' you get your foot to their head but also why well re charged with with anything for

V (Velvet)this were you yeah so I got really lucky so I've never I have um no record so the first time was I was charged with

Brian Atlascitation which I'm extremely lucky for um punched a cop in the face which is a felony and I got your citation this story sounds not plausible at all I and

V (Velvet)I totally I know and I I tell her all the time at bar it's a who but no no no it was uh it was a Char citation the second one is still pending but it's a misdemeanor but

V (Velvet)why you walked up to the cop and punch him in the face no I would never nothing ever impromed you tell us about the whole breaking into your ex's apartment yeah so he um he was he

V (Velvet)cheated on me endlessly and at one point just got so sick of it and we were in the middle of speaking I sensed he was cheating I arrived to his apartment I

V (Velvet)grabbed um one of his patio chairs I slam it against his living room window I went in stole his social security card and passport and

V (Velvet)left s he was cheating yeah why did you uh why did you steal the well I was like what would really be like

V (Velvet)impactful did he cheat no evidence of him cheating oh there was evidence was it real it was what was it learning after

V (Velvet)um I would I knew a lot of [Music] people what's so funny ladies Who's Laughing someone wrote this is why we need prisons

V (Velvet)not for me I not for little old me let me just say this um if you have the money lawyers are worth every single penny they really are so you have good

Andrew Wilsonlawyers is why you got out of it I have very good lawyers okay well speaking of which uh for your future I suggest that you retain a lawyer named James ston because I have a feeling in your future relationships you may need him I don't

Brian Atlasknow what that means he's a family attorney in New York New York City um um you said that you used to participate in sex work as a struggling actress you

V (Velvet)want to be the example of why women should not engage in sex work so what do you mean by sex work are you talking about escorting what are you talking about oh man so this is all before only fans only fans didn't really become a

V (Velvet)thing until only a few years ago back then and it sounds like forever ago but it really is in technology was around 2017 to

V (Velvet)2018 everybody Every Woman whether corporate or she's working in a restaurant had a sugar daddy everybody

V (Velvet)did it was the norm what yes it was the norm you would meet women and here's what's scary about this you would meet women that would be working

V (Velvet)in 9 to-5 corporate jobs they'd be working in HR they'd be in relationships for two plus years I would go out to dinner with them we'd be talking and she goes oh no I've had a guy who's been paying my rent for the last few years

V (Velvet)and and you'd be in disbelief why would you have that but I guess in the contrary is why wouldn't you have that so at that time as an actress struggling

Mia / Jeff Dyeand I had really I had really horrible um do you ever ask a question and then regret asking it just let's let her finish let's let her but yes but yes but sorry my bad

Brian Atlasthat was me no no no no it's okay I I I made strides against you so um I what was the what was the original question

V (Velvet)well you I was like what kind of uh sex work so prostitution yeah so so seekingarrangements.com I don't know if that's still around right now it is it's

V (Velvet)still around I thought it was banned no so seeking Arrangements was a big thing and so every girl that I knew whether she was like acting or modeling alongside with me working in restaurants

V (Velvet)which you do as a struggling actress you are a glorified bartender I was 19 okay I was

V (Velvet)1920 and um everyone had everybody said go on seeking Arrangements you want your rent paid you go on seeking arrangements and everybody always alludes to this

V (Velvet)idea they go girl you don't have to do anything just go on dates and you get money out of it and I go oh so I get a steak I get a flaming yon $500 and don't

V (Velvet)have to like the guy well that's the perception that give you but the reality is that that that's not the truth and maybe it starts out that way but the reality is if you

Andrew Wilsonactually have a sugar daddy you have to him did you so you you had sex with your sugar daddy yeah I did I did did you have more than one sugar daddy um I

V (Velvet)think over the course of the time that I had I had I had multiple um men that were like you know they were they were never longterm the the men that I would be speaking to

Carayou had something yeah so being as somebody that actually works in the sex industry I'm adult I'm an adult performer I've been doing it since I was 18 I've been doing only fans if I had a sugar daddy I don't

Carathink that's sex work quite honestly like you're what it is you're having sex and you're getting paid willingly that's the AR that's called sex work that's the

Caraarrangement but that doesn't mean that you are selling yourself openly and freely I don't know I'm just assuming but I don't think qualifying it and quantifying it as this is exactly sex work doesn't really Che how is that that's the very definition you're

Caragetting paid to have sex with what I'm saying is it's an AR how is that not I'm saying it's what you're describing it as is an arrangement between you and someone with whom you met online such as a dating up and you're stating that I hung out with them I presumed that I was

Carajust going to get everything taken care of in addition to that I was paid for having sex yes that's technically a job yeah that's called sex work what I'm saying yeah I don't see a

Caraway around okay then fine thank you Andrew finally Christ but like you're stating it as though it was like your full occupation like that's where I'm just so confused like wasn't never my full occupation I you know what well

Carano no I'll let you finish I don't want to interrupt as somebody that actually perform sex work and like that's what I'm saying like actually perform like somebody who's actively in it so you removed yourself from it you're in right

Carahas not reduced the the time that I was in it she's in it now that's currently actively in sex work what I'm asking is how do you quantify

Carathat so differently from what I separately do or just generally because right now you're just generalizing I did Sex work because I got paid to have sex with some random guy okay so what more of it like you're trying to say oh like I want to help other people understand

Carasex work there's multiple meanings for it I completely agree I don't think sex work is fit for anybody but I just find it really eluding and weird that you're just shating oh it's just a bad thing and I did this like get to the point about it that's exactly

V (Velvet)point to about it is that it's sex work and it's bad and it's horrible and it's Soul crushing for women and anything that you hear is is I'm sorry it's just not true I I want to ask every woman that is engaged in active sex work do

V (Velvet)they know their father and are they close with their father and do they have a good relationship with their father no no no I want to ask this because you know what I was a woman I um not to cut you off sorry I do have an active

Cararelationship with my father my father is that a good one yeah actually I grew up really well with my father father I actually unfortunately was introduced to that style of content prior as a young

Carachild because of certain circumstances as a child but regardless my father actually really supports me ironically my mother did not support me for the longest time I'm a Mexican and I'm a white I'm half and half my mom is very Mexican Catholic and for that reason she

Caradoesn't support it but regardless my father has always supported me he supported me from the moment I started working with Penthouse when I first did my very first magazine with them the moment that I did Hustler with a shoot with Hustler he was very ecstatic not because he was interested in it not

V (Velvet)because he was sexualizing okay that's really weird though that's really weird that your father is excited that you were in Hustler that's a very weird thing to be excited for I'm not antagonizing I'm just ask I'm just like it's a very weird thing my daughter's an

CaraHustler we're noted to talk about certain conversations which is fine but as a younger CH as a younger girl yeah what I was always expressed to Growing Up From My Father's Side because I have

Caraseparated parents was naturally that the natural human body woman and man is very beautiful and that is something that I still stand with wait why is it why would you say

V (Velvet)naturally to her parents being separated because I'm Mexican white or what are you presuming because well definitely not Mexican and white but that's funny that went that way no no cuz you're in sex work so usually it's it's probably

V (Velvet)not a two-p party house we grew up with I actually know a different actresses in the sex Community who they have a mom and dad that is their biological mom and dad that are

V (Velvet)married together I I I I've read and I've seen and I've witnessed and I know many many people I'm just like you have no statistics of it you're just using background knowledge and

Caraassumption yeah I am yes my parents are separated my parents are separated because they literally just could not handle each other that's all it really was they were never even in married relationship regardless if that's your presumption of that every

Carasingle sex worker comes from a separated family then so be it but it doesn't seem to say that regardless that you have any reason to bicker at and fight at that oh she has a terrible

Cararelationship with her father I'm clearly a person out here saying no I have a great relationship with with my father yeah your dad loved you in Hustler what the is your problem

Carabecause clearly what I'm stating nothing is the back essence of why he supported me why that was being supported by my father not my mother my father taught me from a very young age that hey all women bodies are beautiful why

Carabecause my grandmother herself also always taught him that she was a single mother it came down from the Realms of she was always teaching him one knowledge and he taught him himself to me at the end of the day obviously no

Mia / Jeff Dyeparent wants their child in sex work no parent well sounds like your father did he was just supporting her cuz she was a grownup and she saw she was in a thing and said that's what she's doing she's a grown-up and I support it not she said it wasn't sexual and he wasn't

Mia / Jeff Dyeinterested in it he was just encouraging her because it's his daughter oh that's yeah yeah but dude that's weird would you would you encourage your daughter to do that no but if I didn't have any say in it I'd kind of like to keep a

Andrew Wilsonrelationship with them as tumultous as it might be exactly would you be proud of your daughter being in Hustler wouldn't it be better to let him feel the sting of it and kind of separate yourself I'm I'm not Dad I I like to

Mia / Jeff Dyethink of the dad that I would be where I would go all right cuz like my sisters date guys I don't like and that's been my whole life and uh my rule on it and you can disagree because I'm not a dad

Mia / Jeff Dyeso I can't speak to this too well but I always go that's who she's with well I'm just going to bear with this and I I speak my opin but there's a distinction there right so if you say

Andrew Wilsonright well I can't control who you know my uh my daughter goes out with and dates and things like that versus my daughter's going on to Hustler don't you think there's a huge he didn't hang the poster in his living room he just kept a

Mia / Jeff Dyerelationship with her I think she was defending the relationship with her dad because she was said well naturally you must have a terrible relationship with your dad to do these sort of things no I said naturally they're separated and they are but you started it by saying

Andrew WilsonI'd like to ask every girl that does sex work do you know your dad and you said it in a very strange way she Wasing yeah I know my dad father and and then well because the stats bear out that many sex

Andrew Wilsonworkers in fact the majority of them do come from broken households and if you're a single mom you're far more likely to be a sex worker in fact are um so these are these are things which are

Carabrought up I don't think out of hand right I don't think so either not no I like all she's explaining it now now they're side Andrew keep going okay all I'm stating is obviously yes my father

Caradid support me in the sense just as he stated because he wanted a relationship with me the reason I actually am so grateful and Beyond blessed that I even have a support from my father is because I immediately left the house with my mom

CaraI was living out there and she was already upset with me over certain other circumstances for that reason I left and I decided this is the way and the means that I'm going to arrive to adulthood I'm going to partake in this not something that I even agreed with I grew up in a full Catholic household with my

Caramother nonetheless I never had a relationship with my father as a child at one point never that's literally what I was saying but yeah the reason I didn't

Caradon't you think it's a bit rude to laugh laugh at somebody who just said the reason I did not have a Rel the reason I did not have a relationship with my father during High School is because my father was diagnosed bra he was not he was what I'm he was diagnosed with brain

Caratumor I was not able to see him because he was literally in the hospital all day all time so that's actually one of the reasons I was not able to see my father during your childhood I said no I said childhood I

Carasaid High School I corrected myself high school that is childhood to be it is it is it is but regardless to be laughing and trying to poke at the bear and saying oh this is the norm it's not my

Mia / Jeff Dyecircumstance was not the norm my father was diagnosed with a brain Jer that's not normal it shouldn't be normalized it's sad it's heart yeah it's horrible it's also hard to like you like to try to diagnose her like you're doing

Mia / Jeff Dyeso it's like not well in a way you are verbally you are and socially you are just to and also like to go like well yeah statistically yeah you statistically lots of people aren't with

Mia / Jeff Dyetwo parent homes so you K just go oh we found the reason you said Bingo when she said that she didn't have that's you can't go be having two parents doesn't magically make you have a great life uh

Savannahstatistically it does it really a lot of ways you could I'm just saying like you can't just say it like because you have it statistically is wrong because if you have two parents in a household

Andrew Wilsondoes not mean it's healthy at all well more likely to be yes a l exactly but now it's a lot of ways your CH of criminology your chance of any of these

Andrew Wilsonthings drastically decrease sorry Andrew I didn't mean to cut you off I don't think we got any of what Andrew said yeah I'm sorry I totally cut sorry I was just saying that she is right that if you come from a intact two parent

Andrew Wilsonhousehold your chances of criminology chances chances of all of these things drastically reduce then this includes your chances of being involved in sex well then maybe explain it better if you're upset that I'm agree with him

Mia / Jeff Dyemaybe instead of condescendingly going bingo doesn't have a dad and not even looking her in the eye when she's talking about brain tumors and things it's a it's a it's you can understand why people have this reaction to the way

Mia / Jeff Dyeyou're speaking it's pretty pretty immature is what it is it is it's not a nice way to talk about people okay

Mia / Jeff Dyeyou don't know her no I don't have any op sex work either but I can still respect a person can I ask a question and I'm not

Brian Atlasasking this as a form of attack or insult but purely out of curiosity and

Brian Atlasinquiry um and again I'm not trying to ask this to be insulting or prying or whatever do you have any cluster B

Andrew Wilsonpersonality disorders totally probably yeah like BPD borderline personalities yeah bingo bingo what does that mean probably he's asking

Brian Atlasheed have you been diagnosed have you officially no not officially no um unofficially how would you un unofficially diagnosing do you take do

Mia / Jeff Dyeyou take any she's diagnosing I can't diagnose her with this single family causing her to be an only fans are you bipolar no I'm not I don't actually I don't I know I don't know I'm not a psychologist well that's why we're thinking troll because we're trying to

V (Velvet)figure out how to talk to you I'm trying to I don't know I think I'm just engaging conversation you guys are trying D not you're just being rude to her and everyone else I think it's like

Cararegardless of like my job or whatever I do whatever I'm doing now or not I think it just shows your true personality and true intention is to actually troll because whether or not I'm saying that

CaraI'm doing sex work or I'm a construction worker for something I just actively and I confed in you guys and the internet that my father had a brain tumor instead of looking at me and actually sh me any compassion or remorse

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