PSYCHO Feminist KICKED OUT?! 1 RAGE QUIT?! CRYING?! Andrew Wilson! E-girls! | Dating Talk #126

Date: 2023-12-11

Duration: 7h 21m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSavannah (DT126)>

AAshley (DT126)>

AAthena (DT126)>

AAndrew Wilson >

KKiki (co-host DT126)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_02Ashley(guest)

SPEAKER_03V (Velvet)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_05Mia / Jeff Dye(guest)

SPEAKER_06Ashley(guest)

SPEAKER_07Cara(guest)

SPEAKER_08Athena(guest)

SPEAKER_09Savannah(guest)

SPEAKER_10Kiki(guest)

SPEAKER_11Athena(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteAthena reveals she accidentally reported a suspected credit card fraudster to hotel security while drunk, causing him to disappear for two months.

“I just go I know he's doing crime to the concierge... and then he just disappeared off the face of the Earth for two months”

ControversyAthena attempts to leave mid-show for first time, citing discomfort and a 'male platonic friend' getting mad.

“I think I just want to go... I don't know I just not feeling it”

ControversyV/Vel confronts Brian about not greeting guests before the show. Brian deflects; Andrew calls her a 'spoiled brat'. Jeff de-escalates.

“I kind of feel disrespected”

OtherAshley (pink shirt/SPEAKER_06) leaves the show after Andrew Wilson calls her a 'skank' on air. Andrew declines to apologize.

“he called me skank... Andrew do you want to apologize... under no circumstances I stand by what I said”

OtherBrian invites Kiki (off-camera co-host) to join the panel mid-show to replace the departed Ashley.

“welcome Kiki you're going to contribute far more to this conversation than that woman”

OtherAthena walks off panel in tears after seeing hostile live chat comments. Returns ~5 minutes later.

“I just need a little break... I've never been in a situation like this before”

QuoteV/Vel discloses she punched two police officers on separate occasions and broke into an ex's apartment with a patio chair, stealing his social security card.

“I got really lucky... I have um no record... punched a cop in the face which is a felony and I got a citation”

QuoteV/Vel discloses history with SeekingArrangements (sugar dating/sex work) while calling herself a traditional woman and radical feminist.

“there is no such thing as going on a date with a guy and thinking you're not going to have to touch them... that is 100% you're paying for sex”

ControversyV/Vel escalates from general feminist claims to asserting the vast majority of men are innately pedophiles. Brian, Jeff, and Andrew push back demanding evidence. Brian prepares to kick her off.

“I think the vast majority yes innately yes biologically yes... if granted the opportunity to get away with having sex with a 15-year-old girl with no repercussions they would do it”

ControversyBrian kicks V/Vel off the show after she claims the vast majority of men are pedophiles by nature.

“get the get the off the show... out you go”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

Guests introduce names, ages, occupations, and locations. Brian introduces Andrew Wilson as call-in guest. Relationship status round.

Age gaps and dating older men

Athena's relationship with a 29-31yo real estate billionaire at age 18. Debate over whether age gaps are inherently problematic. Billionaire details questioned by Andrew.

Feminist identity / definitions of feminism

Discussion of who identifies as feminist, definitions from first through fourth wave feminism, TERF positions, radical feminism vs. traditionalism. V/Vel's contradictory self-labeling as both radical feminist and traditional woman is central.

Women's legal equality and abortion rights

Whether men and women are legally equal in the US. Athena argues women are disadvantaged; Brian and Andrew counter that men lack bodily autonomy (selective service). Abortion debate briefly touched.

Prison reform and incarceration

Sparked by men's bodily autonomy / military conscription discussion. Athena states she 'doesn't believe in prison'; debate over rehabilitation vs. punishment, private vs. federal prisons.

Greater male variability hypothesis and intelligence

Brian raises the greater male variability hypothesis. Andrew explains it: men show greater variance in intelligence at extremes. Jeff asks for evolutionary explanation.

V/Vel's criminal history and confrontational behavior

V/Vel discloses two arrests for battery on police officers, breaking into ex's apartment with a patio chair, stealing his social security card and passport. Tensions escalate. Brian accuses her of trolling. Andrew calls her 'spoiled brat'.

Sex work, OnlyFans, and sugar daddies

V/Vel discloses sex work past on SeekingArrangements. Cara (Mia) discloses current adult content work. Discussion of OnlyFans typers, parasocial relationships, fraud concerns, whether OnlyFans negatively impacts relationship prospects. Catholic faith vs. sex work reconciliation.

Male oppression vs. female oppression

Wide-ranging debate: military conscription, sentencing disparities, police brutality statistics, wage gap debunking, circumcision at birth. Brian argues male oppression (draft) dwarfs all female grievances combined. Athena concedes some points.

Dating standards: height, first-date payment, traditionalism

Height preferences around the table. Whether men should pay on first dates. Brian's argument that traditional treatment must be earned in the modern dating market.

OnlyFans, typers, and romance scam theory

Brian develops theory that OnlyFans typers constitute legal fraud/false advertising/romance scam. Discussion of parasocial dynamics, men spending large sums expecting emotional connection.

Wage gap debate

Brian debunks wage gap citing hours worked, job type, seniority, education. Compares to male workplace injury/death gap. Cara (Mia) defends her mother's welding career as example.

Transcript

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Athenaabout um women being treated wrongly or like not getting the kind of treatment they they need um more so than men stuff

Brian Atlaslike that is isn't it the case that women actually use Healthcare more my understanding is women are much more likely to go to the doctor do preventative testings and screenings

Brian Atlasyeah women live longer by Men by at least 5 years well that's irrelevant that's a choice but you you said women get treat what evidence do you have that women get treated I I forgot your exact words to get treated worse in a

TTS/Donationshealthcare setting sorry hold on grid One Motorsports donated $200 men do not have body autonomy but women do men have been scripted into

TTS/Donationsmilitary service and lost limbs and their very good point men also can go to prong for no payment of Shield support stop the cap yeah that's a that last war is a big one the war is very good one

Brian Atlasmen men all men in this country don't have bodly autonomy because every single man in this country has to register for the Selective Service when it comes to the last one we have totally

Brian Atlasdone away with debtor prisons with the sole exception of child support payments you can go to prison for that if you don't pay okay but we've done we've we've acknowledged and recognized that

Brian Atlasdebtor debtor prisons are unjust and immoral and unethical yet in this sole thing and 90 something like 90 plus per of child support payments are from men

Brian Atlasto women so that's that's obviously a gendered gendered issue but sorry you were going to go ahead thank you grid one by the way yeah g that is a good point I don't believe in war or prison

Athenaeither you don't need to you don't you don't believe in prison what do you mean you don't believe in prison I think I mean prison as prison is in the US but um yeah I think that

Athenaeveryone should be rehabilitated and not necessarily released into the public but everyone should be rehabilitated well if you don't release him into the public where would they be in a rehabilitation

Andrew Wilsoncenter so prison would there be bars in that Rehabilitation Center which they spent most of their time behind I haven't like worked out all the details about bars but I I mean

Andrew Wilsonconcept of prison is just weird serving bars well no I think it's it's weird for you to say that you want them to go to rehabilitation centers where they're segregated from the general population I would like to know how you plan on doing

Athenathat without you know imprisoning them against their will I let me rephrase my original statement I don't believe in prison how we have prison yeah I understand that you actually already

Athenasaid that that's why I'm diving into how you believe we should have prison like look at um for which country it is actually so don't look but there's like a lot of Prisons that do that that have Nice condition like people get abused in

Andrew Wilsonprison and no one even abusers should be abused I have something about this yeah but I mean you're probably referencing some of the Nordic Nations which uh put

Andrew Wilsona lot of emphasis on Rehabilitation for these kind of smaller demographics which they can do uh and they've had some limited success with that but when you're talking especially here in the

Andrew WilsonUnited States I'd like to know how you would move towards a more Rehabilitation centered prison environment uh when you know that you have to segregate off violent criminals from the general population how do you plan on doing that

Athenawithout imprisoning them that makes no sense to me well things like no private prison starting with that no prison for profit that's insane that that exists

Andrew Wilsonlike that's slave labor stop slave labor slave labor we'll start with that and yeah but you know what a federal prison is right what do you mean federal prison F federal federal prison which is under the purview of the state federal I know

Andrew Wilsondo you think that the conditions in federal prisons are better than the private prisons because many in many cases they're not so just moving from private ownership to public ownership that's still going to have the same

Mia / Jeff Dyetypes of conditions that you're talking about Jeff did you did you I was going to say like I think this is another one of those things where it's like the words don't mean the words so it's like I don't believe in prison but I do think they should be confined somewhere where so it's like you're just using it's kind

Mia / Jeff Dyeof the same word which is but and then another thing is like it's so complicated the the the punishment system if someone were to assault and

Mia / Jeff Dyemaybe hurt or do anything to a woman in my life or my sisters or my niece or something now I've got to ask myself do I want that person rehabilitated or do I want them punished and these might be

Mia / Jeff Dyecalled punishment facilities some people are Beyond there's kind of uh there's addiction there's a lot of things that go into when people hurt things things and they're not this is very tough I've

Mia / Jeff Dyebeen to jail and I've also worked in jails and these PE these aren't sweet they're not this is not this is not we're not talking about like oh come on give everyone a chance and you know they just screwed up and it's they're being treated because they race there's bad

Mia / Jeff Dyepeople among us who have done some bad things is all I'm saying so it's like it's not just like you can't just blanketly go oh they're they're being treated bad it's like yeah they did a lot of them did bad things and they're

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Brian Atlas777 oh my God it's not hold on there's another one that's about to come in we have official I'll just read it official Brandon Collins thank you for the 100 Brian should moderate a presidential debate Andrew is an awesome debater Jeff

Brian Atlasis hilarious AF love you all hope you have a blessed episode and to quote o girls Lincoln bio hash Christ is King oh did you see that episode did you see

TTS/Donationsthat last episode oh we have okay we have Motorsports donated hey thank you for tuning in man appreciate I have to go but leave you with this the girl with the weird prison opinions needs to learn

TTS/Donationsmore before speaking as I am sure she is not as dumb as she seems just supremely ill informed be better grid one do you want to respond to grid one um I

Athenamean I I kind of agree a little bit I didn't know the exact topics of conversation so I can't whip out a bunch of rapid fire statistics on you right now and I think I would sound a lot more eloquent if I did I'm just thank you

Andrew Wilsongood one appreciate you we haven't really whipped out any statistics on you either we right now we're just still in the forming of the opinion and trying to figure out if it even makes coherent sense so we're not hitting you with

Andrew Wilsonstats you're not hitting us with stats right now we're just trying to figure out basic questions like if you want to segregate x amount of the public away from the rest of the public how do you do that without imprisoning them that seems like a

Athenaa question which doesn't need statistics to answer yeah I mean I I started answering it and then you got hung up on the first thing I said and then I couldn't go through the whole list um

Athenabut I could keep going through the list wait so the the whole list when it comes to what how would what would I do if I had like Supreme Overlord power oh is that was that the question I mean it seems like into the mic into the mic it

Brian Atlasseems like it seems like it is was that I what's the question I think we were talking about prison well I thought no so the thing we were talking about

Brian Atlasbefore was I was asking you so okay we were talking about feminism and you said that women or I said something about well we're equal under the law in terms of our rights men and women's rights and

Mia / Jeff Dyethen you said you object to that and I don't exactly remember how we meandered to prison but we're TR to abortion and then people can go to jail for not even paying child support we talked about war

Mia / Jeff Dyeto the about all that and then she said kind of came into her saying well I don't agree with war or I don't agree with jail and we go what would you do with jail if you didn't agree with jail let's not linger too long on the whole prison on the prison yeah that was a long I just but so it sounds like you

Brian Atlasobject to I don't believe the DOR prison that's what's important for the conversation but it sounds like you don't like prison in general I don't like how it is now I mean I mean I can certainly agree with you that there are

Brian Atlascertainly for example the rate at which inmates might be assaulted by other inmates or by even guards um there's

Brian Atlascertainly ways that we can better reform and the the prison system um I I don't think that there should be people being

Brian Atlasphysically assaulted and murdered in prison so certainly there's reforms and I agree with you that we to some degree we should be re rehabilitating but it

Brian Atlassounds like you object entirely to the concept of a what's the term re retributive

Savannahjustice system I think only certain people should be like re rehabilitated I agree some people should like there's certain people that absolutely deserve prison and there's

Savannahabsolutely people that are literally horrible human beings and there are some people that actually just need help like and there's a lot of people who can change their life around but I don't think there are certain things where

Savannahlike the prison system is a little can i c yeah I don't like there are certain people that like deserve to be in prison and there's certain up people but

SavannahI like I think some people deserve Rehabilitation sorry oh no it was that it wasn't that um but yeah I don't know I think like prison as a whole is like it could be up but I think some

Andrew Wilsonpeople kind of do deserve that well and people's first offense is that it mostly is Rehabilitation which is the Focus right so it's usually very light sentences going through drug and alcohol

Andrew Wilsonanonymous things like this generally for People's First crimes it's usually people who are habitual criminals well strike law in California so yeah that

Andrew Wilsonwell that would be a habitual criminal yeah yeah and so oh sorry go ahead Andrew well I was just saying so I mean if you're a habitual criminal obviously those are the people you want to segregate off from the rest of society

Brian Atlasright right I mean and also when it comes to prison there's a whole bunch of reasons a lot of people push like oh it should be purely uh we should purely try to rehabilitate but there's a whole bunch of first off if there's somebody

Brian Atlaswho's dangerous get them off the street they're in prison they can know they don't have the capacity to continue causing harm that's one of the things it's also deterrent okay if I'm just can

Brian Atlasget slapped on the wrist get a slap on the wrist or get some fine they're going to keep doing they perhaps crime is more likely to occur also Justice if there's

Brian Atlasa victim um this whole idea that prison shouldn't be a punishment um I do think that one of the valid Arguments for prison being a punishment again I don't

Brian Atlasthink that once you're in prison that's your punishment your your loss of freedom I I don't think you should be like subject to like insane abuse in the prison you shouldn't

Brian Atlaslike they should try to protect you that you are basically their um they have a duty to essentially keep you safe within the prison system but one of the big

Brian Atlasthings is for example let's say that you kill somebody's son or one of the big uh part reasons for imprisoning people Injustice is so

Brian Atlasthat this this is like kind of getting whatever um we have delegated our we have delegated Revenge to the

Brian Atlasstate because in in a coherent Society you can't just like if somebody with you like we can't have this sort of vigilante justice system where maybe

Brian Atlasyou've got somebody innocent and now you've got like some family Vendetta so one of the big reasons for for prison and for punishment is so that we don't descend into Vigilant vigilante

Brian Atlasjustice um because if if somebody murdered your whatever and there was no justice system you're going to be like okay I'm going to murder their entire family and then they're going to murder your and then it's just then you get

Mia / Jeff Dyeinto this escalating domino effect so that happened for thousands of years yeah and so the kill someone's wife and they say I'm going to kill your son and then they and it just never ends so just to say that's how so part of the

Brian Atlassocial part of the social contract is we've delegated Justice and force and revenge essentially to the state so that we you don't see vigilante justice and I

Athenadon't want them treated good just kind of feel like you're arguing to something that I already said like I already said that I rephrased it you know like I just don't believe that it should be the way it is now in the

Brian Atlasways where I like I don't think that the laws are being held properly well I think you're walking back your position because your initial statement sounded a

Brian Atlaslot to a lot to me like you wanted to do away with prison yeah um it was like I don't believe in prison that's

Athenathere's no Nuance in five words that I could convey to you you know and then we looked into it and like you said the way we do it now well you should be a bit more precise in your words because if you say you don't believe in prison if

Brian Atlasyou don't believe in people being incarcerated I mean that kind of begs us to want to challenge that that statement a bit yeah I think it would serve you better to be

Mia / Jeff Dyemore precise in your statements because if you just say some just like kind of almost outlandish statement it triggered me I was like wait what you don't believe in jail but we asked

Athenafollow-up questions so do you not believe in prison I don't believe it should be the way it is now is how I rephrased it think all right we're going to move on

Brian Atlasum yeah please my can I if we're moving on oh did you have one more thing Andrew yeah just real quick so the the gal who was dating the billionaire uh can you

Andrew Wilsonraise your hand real quick oh here we go so I can see you okay great um I just I just did a just a cursory check um I actually can't find any 30-year-old billionaire real estate mles according

Mia / Jeff Dyeto Forbes not a single one but he said he was you want pictures what's that do you want like proof pictures yeah let's see what he looks like I'm just kidding don't do that that's

V (Velvet)okay not on camera like dox him no but I'll show you guys like the thing does he have a Wikipedia every billionaire has a Wikipedia even if it's a few Cent

Andrew Wilsonyeah there's only there's only 30 right now could have been wi Saud is what she is he Saudi is he Middle Eastern he's not a Saudi Prince that's what you're alling to family money so it might be

V (Velvet)under is he Middle Eastern I'm going to look up his dad's name Middle East Saudi Arabian um don't are you coming back hello I'm

Brian Atlashand you're handling something

Athenaokay LVN I think he was just real rich is what you meant I'm not taking it back um well there's it's okay there's his race

Athenacar wait what he got a race car all right cool nice that's on Google though so let me give you some real stuff see a Wikipedia no I don't think the Wikipedia

Brian Atlasis like okay hold on let's just let's let's reather the conversation here so you think women and men are not equal

Athenaunder law how um please into the microphone go ahead I mean I told you already um it's just the enforcement of the law enforcement of what

Athenalaw I don't have any on the top of my head do you want me to keep r storming well I mean if I think I think

Athena90% of it is um I think more than 90% of it is like social and not in the law so I think that's irrelevant anyways but also there's abortion and then also which you guys don't want to argue about

Brian Atlasand I don't really want to argue about either um and then the enforcement of the law is just like a small part of that I mean couldn't you actually make the argument that men are are

Brian Atlasdisadvantaged under law for example men are much more likely to be uh to get prosecuted of crimes when they are prosecuted of crimes they're much more

Brian Atlaslikely to serve longer sentences when compared to women who commit the exact same crimes and the exact same jurisdictions under the exact same circumstances with the exact same

Brian Atlascriminal history or for example no I mean it's sometimes hard to have the exact same criminal history but um so I mean couldn't you actually make a very compelling argument that there's actually quite a bit of discrimination

Brian Atlasagainst men yes yes you could yes sure but I think it was your position that women are disadvantaged in this system so I'm just trying

Athenato well what do you mean by the you mean just legally I suppose yeah I mean I think abortion like trumps all of that and I also I want to ask you

V (Velvet)who you think created the patriarchy who like I'm just wondering y this is just I'm I unless I know good Lord Jesus talk you can talk to someone

V (Velvet)else if you I'm fine I'm fine to talk about the patriarchy but can like there's just so much there's so many people here I think they want to hear

Brian Atlassomeone else the founder of the patri like God come on come on okay so hold on look we're going to get through her stuff that will you'll get I know it's

Carahard to not have attention for 30 minutes you prison you don't want to talk about you guys are totally just fixating on wasn't it literally the question was

Carahow long have you been single and are you like how did we get prison we moved on to who's a feminist not a

Brian Atlasfeminine yes but this is the nature of conver conversation like come on talking yo yo yo look okay this isn't

Brian Atlasshow no it's I'm going to dictate the pace of the conversation clearly yeah clearly you requested to be on the show he's the moderator Andrew I love you

Andrew Wilsoncome on so stop being stop being a brat like all he's doing is conversation he just keeping it on pay stop being a

Brian Atlasbrat okay don't unless you guys want to I don't want to we we've already move think you you've already hold on you've already extended this conversation which

Brian Atlasyou don't want to have by having to be extra about it I've already been trying for the last 30 seconds to make an attempt to meander away but because of

Brian Atlasyour moaning and winging and whining we are still talking about it now so please allow me to direct the conversation and if you have quarrels with the conversation you can just sit there and you can wait and whine and eventually

Brian Atlasyou will get the attention you so desperately desire so thank you okay to I think to finalize our point on this it sounded like to me to kind of put a

Brian Atlascherry on the top of the thing prison reform you want it sounds to me like you want equality societally but you want tradition romantically that that's where I'm I

Brian Atlasthink I'm getting at in so far as that tradition stands to benefit you where said tradition does not stand to benefit you or women you won't you will not or

Brian Atlasyou will prefer not to adhere to that specific tradition so for example you want a guy to take care of everything it sounds

Athenalike right yeah I have a question um do you will you take your husband's last name it depends I also I mean I'm

Athenatelling you I like I would prefer if I didn't if if everything was taken care of but if I meet someone that I really really like and they don't have any money okay if I like them like I

Brian Atlasdon't like I'll I'll work if I like them but I'm just saying ideally for me that's what I would prefer let's say you did find that guy that would take care of everything

Brian Atlasum will you take your husband's last name sure oh yeah I my God go this girl cannot make like give a straight answer you just

Brian Atlasliterally 30 seconds ago you said it depends and now you just said sure I don't know where to tr I don't know what your position is On Any Given thing because every single time we've asked you a clarifying question you always

Athenawalk back your position or you change your answer and it's just like you your words mean nothing you your words literally mean nothing the first question you asked is will you take your husband's last name and my answer is

Athenadepends um and then you were like depends on what and I gave one I gave you an ideal and you said if the ideal happen and I said sure that's the

Brian Atlasdepending part I don't understand why that's hard to get but it's not it wasn't just this one instance like every single time oh I don't believe in prisons hold on actually wait no it's

Brian Atlasthis specific thing and it's just it's very confusing that's all I'm trying to say I don't know why we would be here if not to learn from each other I mean that's what we're here for right like no I'm here to argue with everybody I'm I'm

Brian Atlasvery I'm very firm in my positions and my beliefs I'm not this isn't a Steven Crowder change my mind like no I'm firm in my beliefs let's argue I I mean I'm I'm 19 I don't know

Athenaeverything about the world so you know what I mean like I'm here to talk and I can I can I can change my opinion without that's fine what that's fair huh what do you mean that's fine that's fair that she's 19 means we understand what she said no no you said that's fine is

V (Velvet)do you think that's a fair point valid that she's 19 the fair point what you mean is it a it's not a fair point that she's 19 she is in fact 19 not I'm not I'm asking you a I'm not trying to argue chill hey Len I mean

V (Velvet)it's a fair point that she's 19 and she still has a lot to learn in I'm just asking do you think it's a fair point I'm not I'm not trying go ahead go ahead with your point chill out come on I'm chill go ahead get a Clon come on she's

V (Velvet)asked she's just she said I'm 19 years old do you think that's a valid point like for all her all her contradic it's not just a valid point it is it's actually fact so I'm failing to

Brian Atlasunderstand your question are you dating a 19-year-old what how old are you no what hold on where what are you talking about you're not dating a 19-year-old what no what when did I say

Brian Atlasthat uh one of your last few podcasts I've never I don't reveal my private relationship information so I have no idea what you're talking about cuz she's

Mia / Jeff Dyelike 19 growing up I feel like you have a real issue with her being too young you've mentioned it multiple times whereas we're just talking to her like a grownup you're the one that's brought up her age multi and my age for for to be

Mia / Jeff Dyefair you seem to have a real problem with the ages as opposed to us we're just asking her opinions and she's telling her opinions in back and we don't we have never cared if she's 18 or if I'm 80 it has nothing to do with

Mia / Jeff Dyeanything in fact I like the answer that I don't know yet you know I'm open to be changed in my position because you argued every single point so I'm surprised that you like her answer don't I don't like her

V (Velvet)answers what they don't like is that I change my opin don't see her as good or bad I'm just talking to her but you see you have said every point that she's made is bad oral

V (Velvet)age a lot of her points I am kind of like uh but do you think her being 19 years old has something to do with it it's all I'm ask be for having all the wrong

Andrew Wilsonanswers that a good one roasted who me I don't I don't I disagree I don't think I do I didn't hear what oh okay well she doesn't think she does so now can we move the conversation on 1,000% I'm

Athenanever going to well she's 19 I'm going totally derails conversation for okay let's get back to for the last 30 minutes let's go

Brian AtlasI do how old are you because I I'd like to know what I'm 34 what age dating how old I don't first off I'm I'm I don't reveal my okay private relationship uh

Athenainformation what was your question at what age did you decide that you had your set of answers and you were done we're always there is no yeah there's we're always learning there's no

Savannahage you just said that you were set in your opinion I mean there is like if you really want to get into it scientific Al there is a point in time where your brain stops developing and there is a

V (Velvet)point where like bro I'm being I'm being hyperbolic scientific like he's willing to defend his position stel he's not just going to throw things out there and go well I don't he's saying I have I didn't hear Andrew I'm sorry he just

Andrew Wilsonasked what age what did you say what did you say inre yeah are is this the your brain stops developing at 255 years old argument there no there's there's a certain age for men and women it's very different what is that age you can still

Mia / Jeff Dyelearn it's still 25 can still learn but well what do you think andreww I mean they well your brain your brain never stop right so what do you think they bra never stops developing your brain stops growing but that doesn't mean you don't

V (Velvet)learn things the frontal they the frontal lobe decision making is at 25 this is what scientist say let's that's not true there people who make nope it's not it's not true some of them

Andrew Wilsondevelop the at least the part of the brain that you're talking about much earlier than 25 some even after that you're just talking about an average not a right they said the average age yeah exactly and I'm not the same guy I was a

Mia / Jeff Dyeyear ago well I'm definitely not the same guy I was 10 years ago we're always evolving and changing but I also dis yeah exactly that's all we're doing I can't believe I'm explaining this to

Brian Atlasyou all right um here let me get through my let me get through my notes on this holy um so you also said one time I dated a guy who

Brian Atlaswas def definitely doing crime what and accidentally made him flee the country SLB pained for a couple months but like he's good at crime so I don't want to

Brian Atlaseat him out rat him out excuse me rat him out publicly on the media unless I change some details you want to hear about that so you were dating a guy who definitely was

Athenadoing crime do you do you care to specify which crime um I'm not sure which one but I know it's happening um I

Athenawas like I like left while he was asleep and then I lost one of my socks so I go digging in the couch and there's just a bunch of iPhones and then I so I pick

Athenathem up and they're like new new ass iPhones and then so I pick one up and it's just full that's a little bit Snoopy of me um that is typical billionaire Behavior just a lot of iPhones laying around guys got it like

V (Velvet)that you know I'll show you the uh what's it called air hockey table anyways just cuz I feel like you guys don't believe me I I think it's too specific to not be real you know who would think of air hockey

Athenatables being delivered on demand that's a different guy than the crime guy the crime crime guy is also yeah he's cool um but so I looked at the iPhone and it's just a bunch of notifications of apps I've never heard of and they're all

Athenain French um and then I'm looking at this guy's Instagram and I'm like oh into the mic sorry I'm looking at his Instagram I'm like oh private jet um like all this crazy and then I'm like so what do you do and he was like

Athenaice cream so then I went and hung out with him with my other friend and then we were going back to a hotel at after like the club and then he um he left his wallet at the club so he was like you guys go

Brian Atlasahead I'll meet you there are you arriving at the point well did you I actually wanted to hear about it so I'm telling you a story but there's all this like extraneous kind of unimportant details well have

V (Velvet)you noticed that's how she she talks and you've just been Haring on her Okay cool so you said he was definitely doing crime where's the crime what is just tell us what the crime is I don't know

Carabut I know it's happening like I'm like 100% so it's a crime to have multiple cell phones and had there was ice ice I'm not done I'm not done with the there's more details

Athenaokay so he was just being let me say this um we think okay my friend who met him um and I went through all this with she

Athenauh had a friend who did the same crime and then she was like it's it is that because okay no listen to the end of the story that's when all the fun stuff happens um so we get back and we're like he's not coming back so we ordered like $500 of room service and then he was

Athenalike I don't know why you did that but okay um and then we go to the we go to the lobby to go get the food and I'm drunk so I just go also crime you're 18 I just go I know he's doing crime to the

Athenaconsur and then at 7:00 a.m. the next day a a suited man walks up to our hotel room and knocks on the door just to interrupt the story briefly briefly you you you ratted him out on

Andrew Wilsonaccident I was drunk I didn't think they would like check wait you ratted him out and then they told

Athenapeople oh yeah because okay listen so we think it's credit card fraud so then they know our room number cuz we got room service and then the next day I'm trying to valate my car and I'm like oh

Athenahe'll pay for it and then so I'm like and they're like what's the room number and the I think that was for me um what's the room number and the name and then I said the name and he was like that's just not the name and I was like no it is that's who that's who was in

Athenathat room and then they were like oh fraud and then he just disappeared off the face of the Earth for two months like no social media like social media deleted like I checked on someone else's phone to make sure he didn't just block me and now he's back and

Athenamad crimes that was a great story I especially like the part where you snitched on him I was drunk I wouldn't have done it if I thought that it would it would matter but it yeah

Carawell I mean drunk snitching still snitching right it was not my yeah I agree that was a bad thing for me to do and she's soberly talking about it on socials and and public I think that's

Brian Atlasinteresting you asked last thing for you you said godamn it I have some funny threesome stories but I would have to leave out the good

Mia / Jeff Dyeparts yeah into the mic yes you have three how old are you you've done a lot since you don't know how old she is you're the age

V (Velvet)person why' you just ask how old are you well I was kind of like making you you have three sums and you're 19 okay just asking just asking I she's

V (Velvet)full body autonomy she is full body on autonomy you had you had three you have multiple thre SS or how many threes sus two two

Athenayeah multiply by three number it's funny huh three I forgot about getting higher oh

Brian Atlaswait no stop hold on go ahead no I'm joking wait so more than no three and doing the math here okay all

Brian Atlasright okay all right it's how when there's three people you got to count three three was it two dudes in each or like two two chicks two ladies and and one dude

Brian Atlasyeah should we like non-binary maybe I don't know no it's dudes always dudes he he she pronouns sorry he him pronouns

Andrew Wilsonright standard hetero Behavior good okay all right moving on billionaires and CRI Lords and you're worried that we're

Athenaasking she lives fast she lives fast Andrew or I just feel like someone else talk maybe or like I thought the chat was done with me like an hour ago your podcast gold

Brian Atlasbaby gold uh yeah so uh that's crazy though billionaires that's kind of like life on easy mode a little bit oh yeah where's all the women

Mia / Jeff Dyebillionaires oh right they got it all from their div I have thought that right some of my darkest thoughts that I don't usually say out loud are like you know like we like a whether you feel badly about him or not like you know you you

Mia / Jeff Dyego Elon Musk you know we love I Guys Like Me Love Elon musk right I love Jordan Peterson I love Sam Harris I love like a lot of intellectual Minds I love roomy I love where's all the female Elon musks the it's like all the girls I know

Mia / Jeff Dyeand who I love and value and respect they can't shut the up about Taylor Swift like that's your that's your Sam Harris but Beyonce that's your best

V (Velvet)right these are your best female uh Heroes I completely agree I think uh Candace Owens is really ping away for a lot of women she's great should more good women good wom there women I think

V (Velvet)I think I think you're a little limiting on on your circle of who you listen to but socially but I I agree I feel like there needs to be a lot more fem speak I totally I'm with you there's not there's

Brian Atlasnot nearly enough intellectual or at least pseudo intellectuals that can speak on things I agree I I actually have a theory on this Jeff and Andrew

Brian Atlasyou might be familiar with this it's the greater male variability is it a hypothesis or Theory I don't know but essentially so I think my understanding is uh men in women's

Brian Atlasintelligence I guess the is it the average or the median is the same however if you look at the extremes there's a lot more like really stupid men but there's also like a lot more

Andrew Wilsonreally like genius IQ men SE I've seen this so women let me give the clarification yeah go ahead Andrew uh so this is a hypothesis the variability hypothesis is the greater male

Andrew Wilsonvariability hypothesis posits that the males show greater uh interindividual variability than females do in both physical and psychological characteristics including intellectual

Mia / Jeff Dyeabilities yeah Andrew forgive me I don't know a lot about your uh like your background but uh what's your hypothesis on that hypothesis why do you think that is seriously I think like why would that

Mia / Jeff Dyebe a thing cuz women are just as smart as us I'm like I'm always going why don't we well how do you know that what is that that women are just as smart as us well there's no there's no evidence that their brains are different than ours as far as like our bodies are we're

Savannaha little bigger and stronger but their brains are the same well I was also going to say what do you Bas off of like what is smart to you like well just so you know I just want to correct a couple things right so you're actually

Andrew Wilsonincorrect about that women's have women have smaller brains than men do now that doesn't mean phally that they're that they're less intelligent but I am saying that there are physiological differences

Andrew Wilsonbut when you're asking are men and women the same when it comes to Intelligence on average yes but Brian's kind of alluding to is at the fringes on both ends you're going to find that there's

Andrew Wilsonwhen you get up to the upper levels that there's way more intelligent men at the higher levels than there are women and this is the same thing for strength this is basically the same thing across the board that's I was asking if you had a theory of why do you think that happens

Andrew Wilsonor why that is that's just it's just the biological standard so I think that that's probably necessary from probably your perview if you're a Sam Harris guy I'm guessing you believe in evolution

Andrew Wilsonyeah yeah so there would probably be an evolutionary explanation for this um which would push that men are the protectors and they also need to have leadership abilities and organization

Andrew Wilsonabilities and things like this in order to protect uh the greater Society so probably at the upper echelons they would need to have this as an evolved characteristic yeah I don't know and when I was saying that that we have the

Mia / Jeff Dyesame brains all I meant is like in studies they'll show they'll give tests to males and females and men and females are doing pretty much the same generally on the tests as well yeah so basically men are just stronger but I'm not

Andrew Wilsonhearing where the smartness comes in well no no well no at the at the the greater end of it they're not so when you're talking about the high end of

Andrew Wilsonintelligence you find way more men at that high end than you do women that's the point it's not to say in the middle or in the lower averages are not the

Andrew Wilsonsame when you get up to the highend hold on just hold on bye I'm leaving uh wait can you sit down Oh I thought you said

Athenacome stay B what so why are you leaving I have to go why I have something that came up what came up it's personal what do you mean it's

Brian Atlaspersonal um my boyfriend's getting mad at me wait my your boyfriend hold on you said whoa who whoa hold on 1 2 three four five my friend why is your friend

Savannahwhy is your your male platonic friend yeah why is he getting mad at you and why does he have any why does if he's your platonic okay I think I just want

Brian Atlasto go I'm just lying say that why you were hold on why do you want to go I don't know can can you please speak into the microphone

Brian Atlasplease um I don't know I just you're not enjoying the conversation not really it's the reform you requested to be on the show I know is it because you're not

Brian Atlasgetting enough attention maybe I don't know okay but hly just honestly I just not feeling it you're not feeling it didn't you say hold on but like didn't

Brian Atlasyou request to be on the show here I have some notes Here let me get in I'll get it's different when you're doing it did you think it was going to be a one-on-one interview here at least I I you no no no no hold on so I just just

Brian Atlasto do you a favor because I don't want you to feel like you wasted your time no I don't want get too much into that no no you you provided some pre-show notes so I because you said you're not feeling like we're reeling you into the

Brian Atlasconversation you said that you've had heated physical arguments and multiple celebrity altercations hookup stories gone wrong I want to give you you I feel B

Brian Atlasyou you drove here you drove a long distance I I don't want you to feel like we haven't it hasn't been valuable for you so like let's why don't we just get into it um so you do you want to get into some

Brian Atlasof those stories you had you said you had some funny good stories I want to get into it yeah and then I just I don't know I'm kind of like thinking about if I should get into it cuz I mean we could if if

Brian Atlasyou don't want to get into it but you want to stay for the panel we we reserved a seat for you you requested to be on the show so um okay you said maybe I'll get into

Brian Atlasit in a little bit I don't know wait get into what I don't know no you said you want to be on the panel uh I mean I didn't want to but is is there any just so I can try to

Brian Atlasreel you into the conversation a bit so you feel a little more um like part of the conversation is there you just like really don't want to be here hold on hold on is there anything dating related that you would like to touch on because

Brian AtlasI would like I I sometimes it's hard because we have a full panel here sometimes it can be difficult to fully get it everyone in the conversation sometimes people have more dominant uh more dominant conversational style so it

Brian Atlascan be hard for somebody who's perhaps a bit more introverted to feel like they can engage with some of these topics some people don't want to engage with certain topics like the feminism stuff

Brian AtlasI'm happy to try to reel you in with some more dating related stuff um so is there anything dating related that you like to talk about

Brian Atlasum maybe in a little bit I'll just I'll stay for a little bit and then okay well sure I'll ask you sure I'll ask you some questions then so uh you said you were single for 6 months is that oh no sorry

Athenaexcuse me 3 months is that correct yes okay so you've been single for 3 months um are you currently dating is there any guys in the picture um kind of well I started can

Athenayou speak into the mic just so that people can hear you I mean I've been single but I started talking to my ex again um was that the the one that guy

Brian Atlaswho dropped you off no you've been talking to your ex again yeah the one that I was with three months ago okay and are there any other guys in the picture or is it just you're talking to

Athenayour ex or um I go on dates I'll go on dates but nothing like

Athenaserious okay do you have do you have like a roster kind of

Athenano I mean I I like to go on dates I mean I like to I like to be like I like to be out I like to go out but I don't really how do they get the dates with you DMS

Brian Atlasor just they meet you in person work like all three oh nice yeah asking a nurse out yeah in person or social media well in your pre-show notes to us

Brian Atlaswhen we asked if there's anything on the podcast that you'd like to talk about you had stated I have a lot I got into really heated yeah I remember arguments

Athenawith I don't think I read it right like I didn't think I read it right you didn't read what like what you sent me or whoever uh was communicating me but you didn't what do you mean you said oh do you want to talk about these topics on the podcast I just thought you were

Athenalike ask I didn't know you were for what other reason would we like just to like a general like I don't know if you're Gathering like general information from everyone and like touch on stuff like that but like I didn't think you're going to like and I was I was drunk when

Brian AtlasI mess I don't even think I mess well you mess us on Monday I want to be on your panel Emoji Emoji and then you said the the qu the qu the three

Brian Atlasquestions we ask are any crazy unique excuse me any crazy unique dating story stories if so what any specific dating related topics things you'd like to speak on during the show if so what and

Brian Atlasthen General thoughts stance on monor dating any hot takes if so what and to 11 or to to this you responded I got into really heated you

Brian Atlasyou had some celebrity hookup stories gone wrong celebrity altercations if you don't want to talk

Brian Atlasabout it that's totally fine but do you want to talk about it um no I don't want to say any name I'm like ready for the

Brian AtlasTV I love celebrity gossip okay so you also said something about I don't know the share of s agreements you said yeah I don't know what that is

Athenasprinkle what is it you don't know about sprink spr letter answer gun she well I don't I haven't really like looked into her too much but I saw her on Tik Tok

Athenashe's uh like her name is Shar S I think yeah and she just kind of like teaches um young girls how to um talk to like

Athenahigher value men or or how to be to like attract higher value men what's her credentials why is she teaching that I have no idea but I mean she gets a so

Athenawhat what is her what is her recommendations I guess um so she basically talks about how I don't know let me see let me think of like a situation like she has a

Athenalot of different videos but she mainly says like if it's her main like I think I think what I take from what she says is like um if just if he's not doing what you

Athenawant like have your standard type he's not doing what you want him to do um just leave like on to the next type of thing such as what like uh like treating

Athenayou right like if spoiling you like anything you want like okay treating you right like just being treated right in general um like I think me personally like I like

Athenawant to talk to a high value man or like be spoiled or treated like I said like I feel like men should provide so um you think men should provide what

Athenais a high value man then like in what in what sense I think well there's a lot of different aspects but I'm talking about like their personality

Brian Atlasand like um like financially so you want to be are do you consider yourself a high value woman I do okay so what does that what does it mean to be a high

Athenavalue woman as opposed to a I suppose an average woman or a low value woman just maybe my beliefs like how I think how they I think like um like I think I

Athenashould I've had and I've never been like treated uh like badly or a certain way like so I just have high standards like meaning like that in my relationships like you just want to be treated right

Athenabasically no like spoiled like or like provided for like like spoiled how like you want a guy to get you gifts pay for not spoiled but just like the bare minimum right I think everyone like women like should

Brian Atlaswell hold on let's be precise in our language here because you said spoil now you're saying bare minimum okay bare minimum like I think it's bare minimum to get like flowers and be treated right

Brian Atlasbut I'm saying like on the first date yeah do you know to agree I don't think men should be buying

Athenawomen flowers on first dates and I feel like that's I agree not I mean that's happened to me I don't know I feel that's like a little goofy I think a lot of women and cuz every woman's different

Mia / Jeff Dyeobviously but uh a lot of women would be like what is this guy love with me he brought me flowers flowers I wouldn't do it because of that they'd be like oh jeez this guy brought me roses It's Kind like autistic no how is that autistic

Athenathat's showing like you're at a restaurant you're out at a restaurant now you haven't seen those people come up to you with the the flowers and you're just restaurant yeah the Roses see maybe a single rose I just feel like

Ashleya bouquet is like you're his mommy picked it out at Trader Joe okay but I think maybe I mean that's you but I'm with you I'm with you I love flowers on first days that's shows different court

Mia / Jeff Dyeit's not mandatory for everyone but I think me personally that's what I like have you ever brought a woman oh you don't talk about your personal I've never uhum I don't really do that I

Brian Atlaswould do that I can talk about it but uh well I mean I can talk about what can you talk about with your personal life so I mean when it comes to the flower thing uh no I don't think I've

Mia / Jeff Dyeever dances at school I would like bring FL it's too extra exactly I'm not trying to look like I'm love love also like if you're going on a first date with someone I feel like you're trying to figure out if they're a good person or

Brian Atlasnot if that's something you want to like continue and pursue and if it's like not like why are you bringing flowers know each other a't doing that it's simp it's simp like if we were if if we

Brian Atlaswere let me let me just say this if we were in a more traditional social order when it came to both men and women like men and women have to hold up their end of the bargain on both ends I'm not

Brian Atlasgoing to go like let's say I'm here's the here's the current dating meta for the vast majority of people who are single and dating going into a first date as a guy I've got to assume that that girl let's say I meet her certainly

Brian Atlasif I meet her on the dating app I'm going into that date assuming she's dating multiple men she's probably sleeping with one two three other dudes I'm not getting flowers for that chick you're another dude you don't

Brian Atlasget flowers Point Blank period if you want tradition if you want traditional treatment as a woman uh step one don't be another dude on our first date why you automatically assume that's

Mia / Jeff Dyethe dating meta that's how people if you're on a dating app that's kind of that's safe to assume it also be super naive to be like she only messaged me she only wants to go out with me to the

Mia / Jeff Dyedate and I've got to get flowers also I don't think you really likes simps you like the idea of simps and then when they simp you go this guy is's a clown also just like the ideas also we

V (Velvet)keep using autism as a ins not an insult it's just it's pretty insensitive it's not insensitive have autism and you're saying GH don't be autistic that's an

V (Velvet)insult you're using it as a DAT obviously we all date people are definitely a lot smarter than normal people but yeah but they're just weird not really no

Caradis yeah oh sorry goad if you're entering on a first date yes it'd be flattering to get flowers and chocolates balloons and whatever else or Birkin I don't

Caraknow but I think it's very selfish to expect that okay not only did we maybe both plan a first date but now in addition to agreeing to going

Caraon a first date I will be getting a gift exactly I'm not I'm not saying it's mandatory no I I understand that but I'm just saying just as you can kind of see that mind light like obviously you're

Caragetting gifted a flower M but also when you're going on a first date too like what are you bringing to the other person exactly no that's what I'm saying like to me I think an introduction to anybody I didn't bring anybody flowers

Caraor obviously this is like a meeting and we're all having a conversation so obviously flattery is great too as well to introd introduce yourself but I think on a date where it's like you guys are barely getting to know each other especially off a app right I

Brian Atlasdon't need to bring you a condom too to GI you a little this is what we're doing later it's a good that's that's a good point Mia and I look I think opening the door paying for dates gifts flowers providing these are

Brian Atlasreserved for women who are worthy of them just like women are not obliged to sleep with men on first the first date so too are men not obliged to immediately provide for you on the first

Brian Atlasdate especially if you're entertaining multiple options especially if you're entertaining multiple options you're dating multiple dudes maybe you're even sleeping with other men that's the dating meta that's the way a lot of I'm not saying you but like that's the way a

Mia / Jeff Dyelot of people move and also just be honest yeah like if you're talking to other people cardi B has really made women's lives more difficult by saying things like we're the best they should chase us they should like it they should

Mia / Jeff Dyebuy me stuff I deserve it by pumping this kind of stuff up it just makes you sad and go no one's doing this for me so I must be low value or something and then also like if a nice guy who just really thinks you're cool and wants to

Athenabe with you you're going to go but he's not doing all these things that I was told a guy and then now you're chasing all these great guys out of your life he not doing I'm not saying I wouldn't talk to them because of but I'm saying me personally like every like pretty much

Athenaevery guy if I went on a date or dated them like I yeah like I they've done something like that like or I'm not saying they all brought me chocolates and flowers but like I mean they paid the bill like they didn't look at me to pay they ask me to pay like I didn't do

Brian Atlasthey didn't say oh do you want to pay half and half but did it last yeah I got in a relationship well I think that is the tradition I mean that is the traditional move for the guy to pay for the first date but when you when

Mia / Jeff Dyeyou say like treating spoiling to be spoil spoiled uh I think in a relationship that's I spoil my kids Rel kid but me and her to be in

Athenalove like it's like we should be able to go to a lake and have Doritos I don't care like how much stuff you get out of it and I know that uh men natur want to provide for someone if they actually care about them and love them I'm not saying like oh I just met them and I

Brian Atlaswant them to provide and spell me I'm just saying do do you consider yourself a traditional woman yes

Brian Atlasyes okay that's cool um tradition wait hold on do we do the hold wait a second do we do the

Brian AtlasInstagram wait did you you deleted something from your Instagram before uh is there you're traditional traditional what you are you

Brian Atlaslooking at my Instagram I'm looking at the Instagram doesn't look all that traditional to me just saying Andrew don't you have something on this you haven't talked for a while Andrew you still there I know I miss Andrew yeah

Andrew Wilsonyeah no I'm I'm still here I was just um do we P patiently listening through this uh this debacle uh what does her

Brian AtlasInstagram say it doesn't say anything but there are some there's some here's

Brian Atlasmy ass photos kind of sort of like here's my titties a little a little bit I mean not totally you know

Brian Atlasuh it's I've you know I've seen more revealing nurse stuff you know nurse nurse things nurse I swear there was like I think you took one down before

Andrew Wilsonthe show but there was there was definitely one that was so what would uh what would you say makes you traditional husband's last name you take

Athenahusband's last name yeah I I feel like I would um what's the word for like be submissive I could be I'll be submissive if I'm treated right if the man is providing for me like I feel like in

Andrew Wilsonthat way like I'm traditional don't if the man earns it yes that comment crazy is is that the is that the answer if the man earns it you'll then you'll be

Andrew Wilsonsubmissive what do you mean earn what do you mean by earns it well so I'm trying to figure out what the qualification is because I think that you're what's called conditionally traditional so

Andrew Wilsonyou're traditional with conditions when what traditionalism means is that you're following a tradition even if it's against your preferences so it sounds like you prefer this if the conditions are

Mia / Jeff Dyemet um I guess I can I add something sure of course I think like with Instagrams and stuff like I wish that young people would realize like that's your you're

Mia / Jeff Dyefishing with that the Internet isn't real I know but no but it is is real it's real enough that the you think you can put things on your Instagram and then go what what I I wasn't putting out any no that's what you're fishing with

Mia / Jeff Dyeyou think a nice guy is going to pop around and go like oh this is like a woman that I would respect we all like it I love I'm a big tit guy I love hot chicks you know I'm into it I'm just as much it I like Taco Bell as much as I

Mia / Jeff Dyelike a fivestar restaurant but my point is you can't fish with these things and then be surprised the fish you're catching yeah I would say I feel like I have gotten to like ser relationships

Brian AtlasI'm treated right and I met people off Instagram before so I mean I think it's just different for every right oh you did mention there was some celebrity hookups it sounded like did you want to

Brian Atlasmaybe talk about any of those no okay well we could pull up we could pull up the Instagram right well Nick I I said uh Nick just pull up our Instagram and

Brian Atlasgo to chat uh the chat it's the very first one I just linked it in the uh in the chat there while you guys do that guys go to T t.tv whatever drop us a follow drop us a prime sub if you have

Brian Atlasone twitch.tv/ whatever if you have Amazon Prime you can link it to your Twitch it's a quick free easy way to support the show every single I have a quick

Andrew Wilsonquestion for you Brian yeah of course of course okay so I've heard a lot on this show different women say that they have hooked up with various celebrities but they never seem to tell us who the

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