PSYCHO Feminist KICKED OUT?! 1 RAGE QUIT?! CRYING?! Andrew Wilson! E-girls! | Dating Talk #126

Date: 2023-12-11

Duration: 7h 21m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSavannah (DT126)>

AAshley (DT126)>

AAthena (DT126)>

AAndrew Wilson >

KKiki (co-host DT126)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_02Ashley(guest)

SPEAKER_03V (Velvet)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_05Mia / Jeff Dye(guest)

SPEAKER_06Ashley(guest)

SPEAKER_07Cara(guest)

SPEAKER_08Athena(guest)

SPEAKER_09Savannah(guest)

SPEAKER_10Kiki(guest)

SPEAKER_11Athena(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteAthena reveals she accidentally reported a suspected credit card fraudster to hotel security while drunk, causing him to disappear for two months.

“I just go I know he's doing crime to the concierge... and then he just disappeared off the face of the Earth for two months”

ControversyAthena attempts to leave mid-show for first time, citing discomfort and a 'male platonic friend' getting mad.

“I think I just want to go... I don't know I just not feeling it”

ControversyV/Vel confronts Brian about not greeting guests before the show. Brian deflects; Andrew calls her a 'spoiled brat'. Jeff de-escalates.

“I kind of feel disrespected”

OtherAshley (pink shirt/SPEAKER_06) leaves the show after Andrew Wilson calls her a 'skank' on air. Andrew declines to apologize.

“he called me skank... Andrew do you want to apologize... under no circumstances I stand by what I said”

OtherBrian invites Kiki (off-camera co-host) to join the panel mid-show to replace the departed Ashley.

“welcome Kiki you're going to contribute far more to this conversation than that woman”

OtherAthena walks off panel in tears after seeing hostile live chat comments. Returns ~5 minutes later.

“I just need a little break... I've never been in a situation like this before”

QuoteV/Vel discloses she punched two police officers on separate occasions and broke into an ex's apartment with a patio chair, stealing his social security card.

“I got really lucky... I have um no record... punched a cop in the face which is a felony and I got a citation”

QuoteV/Vel discloses history with SeekingArrangements (sugar dating/sex work) while calling herself a traditional woman and radical feminist.

“there is no such thing as going on a date with a guy and thinking you're not going to have to touch them... that is 100% you're paying for sex”

ControversyV/Vel escalates from general feminist claims to asserting the vast majority of men are innately pedophiles. Brian, Jeff, and Andrew push back demanding evidence. Brian prepares to kick her off.

“I think the vast majority yes innately yes biologically yes... if granted the opportunity to get away with having sex with a 15-year-old girl with no repercussions they would do it”

ControversyBrian kicks V/Vel off the show after she claims the vast majority of men are pedophiles by nature.

“get the get the off the show... out you go”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

Guests introduce names, ages, occupations, and locations. Brian introduces Andrew Wilson as call-in guest. Relationship status round.

Age gaps and dating older men

Athena's relationship with a 29-31yo real estate billionaire at age 18. Debate over whether age gaps are inherently problematic. Billionaire details questioned by Andrew.

Feminist identity / definitions of feminism

Discussion of who identifies as feminist, definitions from first through fourth wave feminism, TERF positions, radical feminism vs. traditionalism. V/Vel's contradictory self-labeling as both radical feminist and traditional woman is central.

Women's legal equality and abortion rights

Whether men and women are legally equal in the US. Athena argues women are disadvantaged; Brian and Andrew counter that men lack bodily autonomy (selective service). Abortion debate briefly touched.

Prison reform and incarceration

Sparked by men's bodily autonomy / military conscription discussion. Athena states she 'doesn't believe in prison'; debate over rehabilitation vs. punishment, private vs. federal prisons.

Greater male variability hypothesis and intelligence

Brian raises the greater male variability hypothesis. Andrew explains it: men show greater variance in intelligence at extremes. Jeff asks for evolutionary explanation.

V/Vel's criminal history and confrontational behavior

V/Vel discloses two arrests for battery on police officers, breaking into ex's apartment with a patio chair, stealing his social security card and passport. Tensions escalate. Brian accuses her of trolling. Andrew calls her 'spoiled brat'.

Sex work, OnlyFans, and sugar daddies

V/Vel discloses sex work past on SeekingArrangements. Cara (Mia) discloses current adult content work. Discussion of OnlyFans typers, parasocial relationships, fraud concerns, whether OnlyFans negatively impacts relationship prospects. Catholic faith vs. sex work reconciliation.

Male oppression vs. female oppression

Wide-ranging debate: military conscription, sentencing disparities, police brutality statistics, wage gap debunking, circumcision at birth. Brian argues male oppression (draft) dwarfs all female grievances combined. Athena concedes some points.

Dating standards: height, first-date payment, traditionalism

Height preferences around the table. Whether men should pay on first dates. Brian's argument that traditional treatment must be earned in the modern dating market.

OnlyFans, typers, and romance scam theory

Brian develops theory that OnlyFans typers constitute legal fraud/false advertising/romance scam. Discussion of parasocial dynamics, men spending large sums expecting emotional connection.

Wage gap debate

Brian debunks wage gap citing hours worked, job type, seniority, education. Compares to male workplace injury/death gap. Cara (Mia) defends her mother's welding career as example.

Transcript

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AthenaI think that as a society we have a kind of culture where like I know bad things like I I I have there's bad outcomes when you do that and like

Andrew WilsonSociety has like literally conditioned women to um be more okay and more susceptible to that so this is perfect so this leads right into my point which

Andrew Wilsonis that if we as a society use shame tactics or open tactics for what we want to see as um the outcome in society then you're actually making my point for me which is

Andrew Wilsonthat you feel like Society rewards these high pressure tactics and what I'm saying is that we as a society should not reward women for promiscuity we should reward them for saying no and so

Andrew Wilsonthey'll say no more this way in this particular way both sides win right so the whole goal is to bring down promiscuity I think that the the focus should be shifted a little bit not

Andrew Wilsontowards the people that are that fall victim to that are responsible the people that are responsible man and women both parties are responsible is the thing no no well no not really a man is responsible for they're not hang on

Andrew Wilsonlet me hang on let me just correct this and then and then I'll let you speak they're not responsible women are The Gatekeepers of sex not men women are The Gatekeepers of sex they've always been The Gatekeepers of sex and they always

Andrew Wilsonwill most men were not even able to procreate historically only a small percentage of them were because women are The Gatekeepers of sex so no both parties are not responsible one part is

Athenareally responsible well what you're saying is I need to have an ability to say no to someone yes a guy in my same position he's saying yes why is no one

Andrew Wilsontalking about him say does that have to do with you saying no stop using stop using the female martial art what about the meno and instead use your own form

Andrew Wilsonof argumentation and say this is a a bad behavior in women without sourcing what about menil but can I can I give

Andrew Wilsonthe okay what's your body count can I yeah let's say it was 4 million what would that have to do with my point ex that's like dangerous and

Andrew Wilsonlike that I don't think that's okay like I don't think that's good for you like I think well you just got done saying nobody even has responsibility for it's not even a big deal now it's not okay if

Athenamine's 4 Mill I no I'm saying that like it does matter I'm saying that I agree with you that no one should be as promiscuous as they

Andrew Wilsonwant but I'm just saying when it's at 4 million it's kind of he was being factious I know yeah I'm trying to make a point which is that regardless of how high it is nowh near as high as yours

Andrew Wilsonbut regardless of how of how high it is it wouldn't really matter to the point the point is is that women are the gatekeeper of sex and simps who say I don't care about how many sexual

Andrew Wilsonpartners you've had add to the problem of promiscuity in society that's so what I'm saying is that these things follow each other I was saying I don't want to know I just

Andrew Wilsondon't want to know that's all yeah I know but we need you to say you do want to know because that's part of the problem that you don't that's I don't want to know but also to her Point like take the scity of like earlier you guys

Savannahsaid that men are stronger than women woman right like physically so if you're in a situation where say you're on like a first Tinder date let's just put the scenario out there you've never met this

Savannahman it's like a hookup type thing you kind of don't want to hook up with him but a man is stronger so if you're going to say no sorry sorry go on if you're going to say no and a man is over you

Savannahbeing like well I want to do this as a woman because we are technically weaker than men like physically it is scary to say because a man can literally take over you and be like I'm going to do

Andrew Wilsonthis anyway can I Pond to that can I ask question wa wait let's I got to ask I got to ask this real quick go ahead um

Andrew Wilsonyou're what you're actually saying there is the reason that you say yes to a man being persistent about sex is because you're afraid that he's going to sa you

Andrew Wilsonsometimes yes you yeah but that's ridiculous why clearly well because clearly you have tons and tons of sexual suitors and he must say no to them all

Andrew Wilsonthe time what you can not be around no no don't do the that just just answer to what I'm saying that's not even do you

Andrew Wilsonhave a ton of sexual suitors yes or no no you don't no no okay so you're the one woman on planet Earth who doesn't have a lot of men who are in your DMs

Savannahthings like this we're trying to pursue some kind of relationship with you okay so what's your point that you can have sex just lie to me right your point is is that I could message a man and say I

Andrew Wilsonwant to have sex with you that is true no my point is to say that you obviously like most women who are online and have some kind of online presence are probably propositioned tons and tons of

Andrew Wilsontimes by men all the time and you have some kind of way in which you probably politely rebuff them and don't even put yourself in that situation correct can I talk about that it's actually crazy

Athenabecause I for a really really really really really long time would just not ever be alone with a man that I didn't want to have sex with just in case so I

Athenawould never have to say no tried it once hissy fit yelling at me he yelled at me to get out after talking about blue balls talking about all of this like I

Andrew Wilsonso he didn't so he didn't essay you he just told you to get out I don't like being I I'm just saying men like that you I me may not like it right but this goes to a whole different point than if I said no I would be ass sounds like you

Athenasaid no and he threw you out that's a whole different thing right it's I what I my point is not that the number of bodies you have equals the amount of time you were ESS my point is that people get scared to say no because

Mia / Jeff Dyethere can be consequences and the severity of those consequences but the answer for fear shouldn't be sex or you should there's there's many ways you I don't subscribe to anything of like well I felt the pressure so I you just you I

Mia / Jeff Dyetell my sisters and my nieces that it's like you just you yeah he's going to call you a or something but like you you don't the answer isn't just going along with whatever they want I am so sick and tired of women not taking

V (Velvet)responsibility for their own actions for sexual assault yes okay and I'll tell you exactly why it is 100% completely preventable you don't show up yes it is and here's why can you talk about all

Andrew Wilsonthe women in foreign countries that are literally being forced against their will to have sex with men yeah we talking about foreign countries right now are we talking about the part of which is here in the United States let's talk about yeah thank you Andrew we're

V (Velvet)talking about here and this is what I I will say are you just are you taking a break back there or yeah oh okay you with me going huh you get with me going yeah yeah I just wasn't sure um I think that uh and remember we were saying like radical feminism I think Camille Paglia

V (Velvet)says it really well women have been painting themselves to be these really small wholesome soft creatures that can't say no I'm so tired of these W weak women

V (Velvet)sexual I can't say that saay is 100% prevent here yes it is and here's how you don't put yourself in a situation to be you don't go into a party where there's a majority men where you were under the

V (Velvet)influence and you were taking drugs and you're getting and you are drinking where you have the chance to be drug men have men drug women they drug you they whatever it is so that's preventable you

V (Velvet)can 1,000% you don't wear your nicest mink coat in the ghettos because you know for a fact there's a chance of you getting robbed you don't display your yourself in a place where you know that

Savannahmen that are under the influence will taken advantage of you you can 100% say no take responsibility for yourself okay so so if I want to go to a bar and sweats in a hoodie and I go to a bar

Savannahjust to have fun with my girlfriends I'm allowing men to take advantage of me no that's what you just said no I'm saying that I think the problem the problem that she made with her point which

Andrew Wilsonunfortunately uh because people become very pedantic and they don't go to the point that's being made they go to the enty around it so let's not just say we won't say all then we just not as a monolith not every one of them's

Andrew Wilsonpreventable right but what she's saying is the heart of what she's saying is that most of this is preventable by using Common Sense wouldn't that be a more accurate way of putting that yeah thank you that's what I'm saying think

V (Velvet)it's very I think it's very easy to say there's no such thing as there's no absolute truth to anything there is always an outlier yes so you going to a bar and hanging out with your friends and sweats I highly doubt a man's going to look at you and want to do you but they may and they may look at you and

V (Velvet)they may drug you and that is one of those circumstances that you cannot prevent at all there is a smart way of handling your drink and being conscious of your your environment but yes the

Mia / Jeff Dyevast majority of of of sexual assault is 100% preventable okay period period thank you Andrew I actually agree with what you're say you shouldn't put yourself in the situations but to like

Mia / Jeff DyeCircle back right to the beginning you gave a lot of excuses for like she's 19 she's 19 she's 19 well so think about it when you were 19 you go to House Parties

Mia / Jeff Dyeyou do these dumb stupid things you get fake IDs you go to bars and it's easy to be an Andrew or myself and say like well looking back I was that guy who was a drunk idiot pressuring girls

Mia / Jeff Dyecome on just touch it I've been that guy and that's what I was trying to say with with my answer about body counts Andrew is that I'm not sing I'm just saying that I'm a little realistic of how young people behave and how I used to behave and how these things are you can have

Mia / Jeff Dyeyou can have a uh perspective of that do I think we should shame can I explain why I think it's simping yeah you can in a second you you can in a second yeah let me finish uh or sorry I didn't mean like let me finish I just meant let me

Mia / Jeff Dyefinish you're fine I I don't mean to cut you off I just want to give you an explanation when you're ready right now I'm trying to be realistic that I was definitely part of that problem while also having some Grace of my past self being like when you're young you don't care a lot of these conversations young

Mia / Jeff Dyepeople don't even care about they're like why are they talking about this and who get you're just young you just do young stupid people and now that I'm my age I go yeah you're not your future self is going to be pretty upset that you did only fans your future self is going to be very upset that you made

Mia / Jeff Dyethe decisions you made with boyfriends and girlfriends and parties and things like that it's easy for 40-year-old Jeff to sit here the people that vote no on abortion generally are married nice people who believe that they're babies that they're not thinking about when

Mia / Jeff Dyethey were 18 and they just wanted to their girlfriend so I'm just I'm when with all my answers I'm simply just trying to have some Grace about how young people think about things well the

Andrew Wilsonreason that this is go ahead I'm sorre the reason this is such simp likee Behavior okay because what's really going on is you're demonstrating that there could be a standard for you and the standard for

Andrew Wilsonyou is like when you're young and you're crazy you had a lot of sex and you were promiscuous and this type of thing right okay and so you apply that to women as well and so you say well if that was

Andrew Wilsontrue of me then it would be hypocritical for me to say to women hey uh you had a lot of sex and this type of thing when you were younger too but it's not actually a hypocrisy because men and

Andrew Wilsonwomen value different things in each other men value Chastity of women and women don't really value the Chastity of men right and so what ends up happening is you really push in and you create

Andrew Wilsonkind of a problem when you when you say that we're interchangeable widgets this way we're really not and that's what makes it simp likee Behavior okay well I don't like the term simp likee Behavior

Mia / Jeff Dyebut your just your uh your your explanation is I agree with your explanation the the title is pretty immature simp likee Behavior Andrew I think you'll be well I mean I

Andrew Wilsonthink it just it I think you put that in one of your books simp likee Behavior yeah well I think it just kind of captures a thing which PE most people can grasp and so if you're a skilled debater one of the things that you want

Andrew Wilsonto do is bring the idea to the level that people can understand it the best way possible when I say simp nobody's confused by what that means and when I say simp likee Behavior it means

V (Velvet)Behavior which leads to men's sing what thank what that was really good Andrew was it and you would be very fun at dinner parties that was really good Andrew I think you and Andrew should get married I don't think Andrew

Mia / Jeff Dyewould like you at all I think that you are really far off on that I like him he doesn't have to like me but I like him Andrew what do you think of

Andrew Wilsonher I don't like her a bit I think she's completely disingenuous and I think that the entirety of this conversation she's taking whichever side she thinks will get her the most amount of attention and right now she feels like she's on the

Brian Atlaswinning side which is of course me because I'm awesome and uh so she's sing as well yeah I think so I agree okay somebody sent me an Instagram DM that

Brian Atlasit's a story you took perhaps even today and there were a lot of pill bottles behind you are you currently on any medications yeah no just I'm on just on one I'm on on an SSRI it's really funny

V (Velvet)isn't it you look like you would be on SSR it's funny that you're like laughing with smoke from every no no no so I'm I'm on I'm on peroxy tee I'm on pexel I've been on it since I was 18

V (Velvet)years old that's an S yeah yeah yeah I'm on 40 milligrams and then in terms of other medication I know I've had I have a I suffer from really severe migraines as the last few months yeah it's been really bad I've been in a headache

Andrew Wilsonclinics I had a CT scans so I'm on medications for my you met M that behaves like her I actually hate to to say this but there are certain uh drugs which I believe are classified as ssris

Mia / Jeff Dyewhich do help with migraines I actually I hate to come in and actually defend but that is true why can't you just we believe you we believe her too we think she is on a lot of pills yeah what I was saying is if any man behaved the way she

Mia / Jeff Dyedoes there would be already a fist fight between these two definitely these two and occasionally these two like if if I ever said like the laughing in a

Mia / Jeff Dyevulnerable story or the uh you look like this or I mean this pretty pry aggressive like stopping me it's only the table really all right wait from

Kikiwhat from who who you want to beef with her yeah me why why she didn't do anything to me but she's like hella disrespectful oh so you want to smack her is what you're saying I was going to

Brian Atlassay wait show hands show hands who at the table show hands immediately want to what what's your name again vve vve

Brian Atlasthat's your name that's a fake name that's who at the who at the table wants to is inclined to have SE no oh yeah my

Brian Atlasass smack smack I think she could use some women so I'm not raising my hand here but y'all are women are you in you

Caraguys trying to I I would if it have feel to like I you want to smack her I don't TR to beat cops either so I wouldn't just put a hand on her but she obviously

Carawould deserve one what about you was that a hand raise no I'm just no the things I want things I actually do are two different things I'm just trying to have a conversation the one thing I did want to say is like if you guys all

Caraacknowledge obviously you guys were listening to her story but and I'm not saying that it's untrue at all you came from Ukraine you said that your family is out there or they're abroad and instead of making commentary or fighting

Carawith you on like oh that's so funny Bingo your family's not around or whatever I could have said to literally repeat what you did to me like you're just trying to make yourself sound better than all of us instead of actually having a conversation exactly but something that I could have done you don't think I'm better than any of you

Caraguys you literally have a tattoo that says I am God so clearly you do sorry something that something that you did un to me I did not do unto you if anything if you guys had even looked at me for a moment during that time that

Carayou were sharing that vulnerability cuz I think it's vulnerable I was very empathetic and it actually broke my heart to hear that because oh shut up okay regardless I felt sorry because

Carahearing that isn't fun and I didn't have any need to be an and say bingo or there you go or you too this is what you deserve and I wouldn't do that and that's what you did well it would

Savannahhave made a really good timing and you would have been correct okay this isn't about timing this is about having a conversation like a funny this is just having a real convers and that would all have made sense if she had said that

Athenaokay it was like funny for a little bit and like now it's just like yeah that's how I felt when you were talking for the first hour okay I

Athenatold I stop asking me questions I was like you want to keep asking her and then I was like okay my turn's done and then I chilled out yeah this is and then

Mia / Jeff Dyeyou cried Circle back to me enjoying it again go oh wait I have something for this hold on

Brian Atlas[Music] shit's true bro what the why would I be friends with her y'all want jeez y'all I mean it's mostly you to be honest I mean mostly been you you just I

Brian Atlaswonder if the even the pink girl shirt she left because of you could have been didn't you leave during her little Spiel that yeah wow I put fully the blame on you for pink shirt girl I don't think I

Ashleywas talking in that time oh yeah you girl definitely a lot of things a little too much oh well does she know what she's saying no that's the question wait is it would it can we pull would it be rude to

Brian Atlaspull up that girl's Instagram again because like I don't know if you y'all noticed I noticed I don't know if y'all noticed but have you ever seen someone

Brian Atlasin person and seen their Instagram and been like you don't look no don't like how you look like the the one the bottom one the bottom bottom bottom bottom

Brian Atlasbottom bottom bottom bottom bottom bottom yeah this is false advertising can can you no no no can you show it can you show it click which one that one yeah that one wait other side hello I think she kind of looks like that I

Savannahdon't know nope other side she's pretty in real life and on Instagram but this is not what she looks like I mean I think ex involved but she does look like that she does look like that person and

Carabe like you're a completely different person the the pinned one the very top at the very top I think that looks like her that looks like her look like her that looks like her uh I don't think so maybe with some I think yes the face has

Brian Atlasface up and that's fine it's smoothed but I think that's her body she's just x x out of that X out and then the the one below the one in the red girl she's kiding the one that we're

Mia / Jeff Dyecovering I'm not talking body just like the face all agree think she's face timed or done something I don't know tun yeah but then also uh there's not there's not the roundish

Mia / Jeff Dyedid the shape of the face isn't even the same I know I'm going to sound like a Jer am I being a chick right now talking about her I don't know I age all the chicks disagree so you're not being a

Brian Atlaschick wait all the chicks agree or disagree disagree they disagree with me I mean to an extent that she does not look like her photos at all I don't think at all at all is an

Mia / Jeff Dyeoverstatement well I suppose the the okay I don't think here I I'll take the bullet here I don't think that anyone would see the girl that was sitting here today with us

Mia / Jeff Dyeand go you eat gross no one would think that she's objectively a beautiful attractive girl but if I saw that girl on Instagram that temp like Behavior bro

Mia / Jeff Dyeyou know I'm just prefacing it before I finished my sentence Jesus Christ Andrew it's here's the thing I don't think anyone would see that girl and go ewi gross and think she's gross but know

Mia / Jeff Dyeyou're not say but if I messaged her on on Instagram see those eight pictures and she showed up I would be pissed off because that is not the same girl it's not the same I was agreeing with you oh

Mia / Jeff DyeI see I see okay so you're yeah I'm not I'm not saying that she's I AG ug that's that's false advertising that that Instagram is not what she looks like in real life that's Glam see her again I didn't really look at I don't know now

SavannahAndrew can comment on my simp like comments Jesus Christ you're not a s you're just a human with common decency I think my answer listen listen the girls in the in the room know he simp

Savannahright like he's kind of a s he's like respectful he's just like nice and respectful and if that's simping like like that's what I don't like to be a normal decent human being I don't think he's check out my post about only fans

Mia / Jeff Dyeon my Instagram Andrew check out my post about women see how I talk about these subjects and how I was a young life leader for years I grew up in the in in church you you're you're hearing a sentence of me just trying to be

Andrew Wilsonreasonable and not go you guys are put your twit tits away because I don't have the same that what's that I didn't say any of that no but you want me to be that guy and I'm not that guy I

Andrew Wilsonjust want you to acknowledge some of the situations of reality and the situations of reality is that men and women are held to a different standard because we're not alike we're not really very alike at all completely we're completely

Andrew Wilsondifferent and when you source and you say look at my Twitter look at my this look at my that nothing tells the truth about a man better than how he interacts with a person in person here's the question been wildly respectful with the adults in the

Athenaroom compion you have a question go ahead do you think did you think there was like what percentage excuse me what chance did you think you had when you first walked in what chance do you think

Athenayou have now like going home with any of us I'm not that's not any of my goals at all what say that's not really the point that's what I'm saying so it's kind of weird to be like oh like like what is this you're saying I don't have a motive

Brian Atlasto be nice to I'm being you saying you want to a Jeff I'm saying say saying that Jeff isent human being I actually ship you guys Jeff can I can I

Mia / Jeff Dyeget this set up you and her no but she was saying I have no motive remember I'm not trying to look good for the internet I'm trying to be reasonable to the people that I'm with do you guys object the a there is an age

Mia / Jeff DyeGap there he is 40 I'm pretty old for these Andrew you can't see me but I'm 40 years old I don't think I would be come in here going I'm trolling for puss would be attracted to a Gad like Andrew

Andrew Wilsonbut isn't that what a think you're missing the point point is toate uh who you would have sex with and who you wouldn't but you're saying that being right now hang on hang on

Andrew Wilsonalmost done I'm almost done hang on my point is to say that the behavior that you are exhibiting perpetuates an ongoing societal issue it's not to give a statement as to what you're going to

Andrew Wilsondo in the here and the now it's just to say that that it's this sort of mindset which is talked about very often in the red pill

TTS/Donationscommunity at least the prominent ones I've ising to a bunch of men on the internet please stf you you don't even

TTS/Donationsbelieve in morals stop lecturing someone make Blondie hold a crucifix and see if she into she that's very funny uh Andrew thank you Nickelodeon the only reason I'm referencing that is because it would

Mia / Jeff Dyebe pretty silly for me to go want to tiate about how I feel about these subjects I was just saying check out the video that I have that has like millions and millions of views of of women getting mad at me for me saying women are different than us and they are held to a different standard and in fact my

Mia / Jeff Dyefavorite thing about a women my favorite thing about women is that they're not men stop pretending to be us we're dudes rule women rule but we're different I'm not trying to do all these bits what I was saying this is weird but

Andrew Wilsonthis is a really weird thing to say that understand that we're different but the very first thing you do is you hold yourself to the same standard and hold into the same standard you hold women to and that if you knew and you understood

Athenathat we're different you wouldn't hold that same standard because we value different things that's my whole point notice how we let you finish I think almost every single time you you let them get halfway and then you're like oh they haven't explained it yet this is

Athenathe perfect opportunity for me to start talking before they're able to explain why their point is I've talked a lot less than you have but I didn't interrupt you that's clear okay let's move off from this

Brian Atlastopic I have perhaps lighthearted thing that can liart so to the panel starting with you okay if you had to choose would you

Brian Atlasrather your boyfriend cheat on you with a girl who is hotter oh that's a good question or uglier than you yeah this wait would I rather my boyfriend cheat on someone hotter or uglier cheat on you

Brian Atlascheat on you with someone who is hotter or uglier than you which one I mean I wouldn't prefer them to cheat on me regardless if you had to pick would it probably uger what piss you off more oh

Ashleywhat would piss me off more prettier obviously cuz it's an ego thing okay i' be devastated if she was prettier than me yeah if she was prettier than me I'll

Athenabe like hurt my ego yeah how ugly you know cuz average ugly if someone like if like my boyfriend was like I thought this person was good enough and I also think you're good enough I'd be like you don't know how to

Athenamake decisions you know so if it's like if it's like a if it's like a four or lower I'd be like prettier cuz at least he has good

Carataste word Mia um I'm going to say I feel more upset okay you if if she was uglier solely because I'd assume that if you're

Caracheating you're doing it because there's an advantage other than obviously the sucks of like oh like if I'm going to cheat might as well have somebody that's prettier I don't know okay let me see oh what if they look

Mia / Jeff Dyejust like you perfect would that piss you off they got a different person that looks exactly like you like what if she was Latina but she was 5 to like wait what the hell I look like that and you're like yeah you she's got a better

Carapersonality she was five she she's an inch taller an inch taller than you that no that would have P off if she if she looks like me I guess there's

Savannahconfusion for reason Sav right Sav uh you have I I wanted to ask about your Instagram bio you have crime yeah cuz a lot of people are confused with my like does that mean

Savannahso a lot of people are confused with like the way that I spell my Instagram name cuz it's CC r y m so a lot of people think it's crimey but it's really pronounced crime that's why I have it in there oh that's just you okay and you

Savannahalso have a crime tattoo correct just for my Instagram and so is that is that like a pseudonym or what no honestly the only reason why I have that Instagram name is cuz one of my best friends like honestly came up with it cuz a while ago

Brian AtlasI was was trying to like figure out what like name I should go by and he was like oh crime is cool but like spell it differently and I was like all right so I just stuck with it and you do only fans correct yeah you do boy girl what

Savannahkind of content do you do um I sometimes make content with the man that I'm like seeing but usually it's just content by myself okay but you have done boy boy

Brian Atlasgirl content with multiple people or just one couple oh just one okay I see um Athena did you want to tell us about the influencers or no no no I think you

Athenadidn't right if I recall you didn't want to talk about but I the reason is like they three sorry s keep goinging like just to respect their privacy and they those kind of people

Athenalike are very um like they're very used to people talking about it you know so that's extra annoying for them okay all right interesting they're not crazy like famous they're not it's not like something

Athenacrazy good sh it's not like Drake but like I knew people knew them I didn't know them and then one of my friend was like oh my god really and I was

Athenalike they're like a okay word oh no it was the girl in pink who had the celebrity the I don't believe any any of that the be no cuz

Carashe she backpedal everything she would say did you notice that she was like well I was drunk wait like I think I'm sorry not to cut him but didn't you say that she deleted a message oh yeah what was the message that's what we was so

Brian Atlasconfused about oh no no no she there was like a because she said she was traditional and I saw a photo on her Instagram that was like super traditional bro super

Brian Atlastraditional right and then but when I went to look at it it she I guess she archived it cuz she had changed it or something so there's only eight posts I thought that was interesting the day before you go on the whatever podcast

Brian Atlasyou only have eight posts that's what I was alluding to actually I think we saved it Nick if you go into the podcast folder uh Dropbox podcast THB thumbnails thumbs go to

Brian Atlas126 I think we have it I'll tell you what the number is if you you we we'll find you we guys we are going to find you this photo can't Hoodwink us we cuz I'm not maybe it's it was in one of her

Brian Atlasother I don't know podcast and then th thumbs 126 oh and we need to react to the thumbnail okay yeah yeah yeah okay let me know when you uh get let me know when

Brian Atlasyou get into the folder okay okay I'm in the folder okay so it's uh two uh six two

Brian Atlasuh I'm pretty sure this was one of her it could have been in one of her other uh but I'm pretty sure this was so this was on her Instagram I don't listen not

Mia / Jeff Dyemaking a commentary on this I just don't know if it's all that traditional and it doesn't look like her which I I it's count look like the water if it's in

Brian Atlaswater it doesn't count Zer fcking funny cuz that's what you wear when you're in water here let's let's pull the chat chat is that traditional I not traditional I agree I

Brian Atlasthink it's funny but I don't agree at all we have an expert witness Andrew Wilson of The Crucible what is your verdict traditional or not traditional OB did you see the I couldn't imagine something being further from well I could did you

Brian Atlassee the photo uh yeah it's pretty far from traditional I would say pretty far from traditional okay all right and then oh we have to react to the thumbnail so Nick can you pull up the thumbnail it's on one of the tabs I already put it on one of the tabs what's it 304 I like the

Brian Atlaschat has their own little Community they're like responding to each other 304 is an area code ohy that's funny but which area that's a can you make us the smallest I guess so this is the thumbnail unfortunately the girl in the

Brian Atlasmiddle could not make it on the show so I guess um wait is that you me on both sides that's her on both sides on both sides on both sides she got double okay the girl in the middle wasn't here so I

Brian Atlasgot to ask the chat a question we're going to react we're doing a a a reaction to her photo first off chat would you date a girl with a septum piercing that's question one septum

Brian Atlaspiercing it's the the the the piercing she has would you date a girl with are we talking about the middle or are we talking about the middle the middle I mean you have a septum piercing too so

Brian AtlasI'm not trying to throw shots or whatever um would you and then uh she looks like a nice girl you know but I'm just curious I'm asking the chat would you date a girl who has a septum

Savannahpiercing and what about the you know there's the hair the colored hair it's a look I was surprising also not to mention I think y'all edited the thumbnail because my is not fully green oh yeah we do we do a little touchup we

Brian Atlaslike to touch it up you know we we boost the highlights and whatnot so yeah we do a little little touching up there but um you know listen uh don't know the girl seems nice but uh I don't know the the

Brian Atlassometimes you know bit of color in the hair might be what's that thing in the animal kingdom brightly colored animals danger what about peacocks

Mia / Jeff Dyethat's tough flamingos I do think the chat just hit on something interesting he's like I'd smash but I wouldn't date and I think that modern women have a real trouble with this mindset of men is

Mia / Jeff Dyethat there is a billion there's a billion types of women that I'm like yeah definitely her I would you know like I would you know like we think of that thing but then we're like we're not going to like go out with her or like introduce her to

Mia / Jeff Dyeour family or like it isn't like a long cuz like sex is this thing you know we like it and then sometimes people confuse that like well he me and he like yeah but I'm not going to

Savannahlike so yeah I just want to touch on that one because the septum piercings mean they do anal I've never done anal that's a funny comment though septum

V (Velvet)means they do anal it's very funny funny I think septum piercings usually mean you have a good relationship with your father oh my God that's actually so

Athenacrazy cuz my dad is like super cool and we're super chill me and my mom I'm talking about piercings in general but um I'm talking about the relationship between your parents and piercings me and my mom got drunk and got belly

Savannahbutton piercings together that's crazy but we're chill like they love me hella hella what they love her h love hello I would smash the girl with green hair but not so red hair it's funny that

Athenayou say that because both of the pictures were me are you from so maybe that's I born here then I moved for most of my life and then I came back you moved where um I so I was born in the valley and then I moved to San Francisco

V (Velvet)and then back that's why you that's why I said hello can I ask something really you don't have the answer you can totally say sure did something really traumatic Jesus hey I'm asking you don't have to answer that's in the rules to

Athenanot talk about so it kind of was was it wait traumatic tra dumping no no it's not trauma dumping answering you want a yes or no answer from her is that was but I think got it why don't you

Mia / Jeff Dyetell why don't you tell us your psycho analyze me actually don't want I'm just asking I'm just asking well but also to like find that's a interesting science experiment right there did something bad happen to you oh that explains it yeah you know what that would qualify is

Mia / Jeff Dyeevery human that's ever lived is having something bad that when you leave it that vague when you were young did something unusual happen that wasn't a perfect perect life I hello look at me I don't

Andrew Wilsonhave a per okay the product of very imperfect life I got a question I got you could still look at commonalities of bad things that happen to people which are similar that lead to behavior right yes but when you leave it as open-ended

Mia / Jeff Dyeas like did anything bad happen to you when you were young to to justify how someone reacted to a septum deviated piercing is a little majority of women clinically Reckless actually

V (Velvet)just the reality is the majority of women engaging in any sort of sex work have been uh assaulted somewhere along the line of child earlier I know I'm just saying that wasn't that wasn't even

Andrew Wilsonmy question really that my point yeah but I I wanted to finish the exchange if you don't mind go go go so I was just going to ask uh to to Jeff do you think when you think of a nose ring on a woman

Andrew Wilsonespecially the one that goes through both nostrils and hangs down do you attribute that with class and attribute that with uh status and that or do you attribute that with low class and trashy

Mia / Jeff DyeI think it's trashy yeah I mean like I think she's a beautiful girl but I would never because of the way she presents there was a love I like her no I like her a lot but and I would also assume that she probably not into guys that dress like this and and you don't know that I don't know that but it's my

Mia / Jeff Dyepresumption like when I see a girl like covered in tattoos I'm always like she's not going to like me but I I mean I I am attracted to her Miss but you're right I do think of it as a thing like if I if I brought a girl that was was wearing all

Mia / Jeff Dyethese piercing and had all of the stuff to like um you know a Thanksgiving or a Christmas I feel like I'd have to like explain it and I would have some sort of opinion about or sh actually I have a

Andrew Wilsonlike experience what's interesting about that Jeff sorry just I just want to finish the exchange real quick I would classify that um if we were looking at men though who have a lot of tattoos I

Mia / Jeff Dyedon't attribute that to them being trashy I do I do and so does a lot of other countries a lot of other countries see tattoos is like kind of poor or trash yeah yeah but we're talking about this okay yeah from here I guess I just

Mia / Jeff Dyedon't think of men much in the same way that I would uh like every time I'm looking at a woman I think like oh like I have a motive sexually or or like even relationshipy or or emotionally that I

Andrew Wilsonjust don't think of men like that but I guess yeah I think I do put them as kind of trashy but I also like um so I would understand maybe if you had the you know tribal tattoo that goes up the neck that

Andrew Wilsonpeople can see or face tattoos or things like that but generally speaking there's a lot of men especially men who are in the service who get tattoos and they get a lot of tattoos and I I don't tend to

Mia / Jeff Dyeattribute that with being low class or trashy the same way that I do with women why actually actually true cuz I don't like masculine qualities on women and tattoos are pretty masculine maybe not

Mia / Jeff Dyehers particularly but if I did see the same type of like Samoan arm like like The Rock has like even on a hot fit chick if the tattoo was done equally as well

Mia / Jeff DyeI would go like in my mind my my instinct would be sexually or like looking at her going but it wouldn't do that to the Rock so I guess you're right but I again I just haven't spent much time thinking about how I feel about men

Athenawith tattoos that makes it sound like it's not it's not about anything real it's just about your attraction to them if you think gender idean everyone has different opinions

Savannahon I have really wanted to say something so I just like I basically like to touch on what you were saying like how you were saying you would you feel like if you brought a woman around like say that has piercings tattoos like whatever you

Savannahfeel like you would have to explain it but personally like I've been in situations where I've dated a man that was let's say conservative like he's very like his parents go to church they're very religious like they're very against Tattoos Piercings everything but

Mia / Jeff Dyethey have loved me because I am a good person that's how I feel about this whole table I have opinions about these things yeah everyone has op still treat you as an adult exactly yeah and that's fine your opinion is he was asking how I felt about it like if it was like a

Brian Atlaspotential partner or maybe looking at someone probably not all right got to move on guys we let me read one chat really quick then we have to pull up a couple things then we're going to try to wrap um fairly soon seberg I think men

Brian Atlaswomen find discipline and integrity as attractive traits men with these traits are likely able to sleep with more women women that sleep around due to ease shows a lack of these traits yeah body count matters honestly

Brian Atlaslike it does no himman no diamond like virgins only to be honest virgins only no so so sorry okay I'm being hyperbolic okay strong preference like if she's a

Brian Atlaslike the lower the body count the better yes with a virgin being like the most optimal dating Choice when it comes to body count you said you were married right what are you single h no that's

Brian Atlasnot like an attack like are you single you can't talk about it oh yeah you can't talk about it sorry because of okay I I don't want to get into details don't but let me just say for security for security reasons I just I had

Brian Atlasthere's situation I can't talk about it okay uh I can tell you I can tell you after the show but I just I was just trying to have a conversation that's it what's that tattoos and piercings you

Brian Atlaslike that I prefer we're the only guys it's not a deal yeah yeah so tattoos and piercing it depends on the piercings and the tattoos obviously it's not it's not

Brian Atlasa deal breaker but would my preference be no tattoos yes okay when my pref it's it'd be a spectrum like the if she has a little heart on her ankle like I don't right right right yeah it's lots of different types a ton of yeah well this

Andrew Wilsonwas kind of the point I was trying to tie in is I think again that the Viewpoint is different between men and women on this so I was saying I don't think that women necessarily attribute men having tattoos as being a thing uh

Andrew Wilsonwhere they classify them the same way that we do them that's the point yeah true true I don't think any guy has ever

Brian Atlasthought man I really wish this girl just had more tattoos yeah disagree you think so I mean there's some there's fetishism and

Andrew Wilsonbut like I don't they're going to be pedantic and be like he said all okay for the most part absent outliers probably most men don't think if only

Brian Atlasshe had more tattoos you're right you're free to get is all you're free to get them just uh and I think well that's because men and women are just attracted to different things yeah and uh also

Mia / Jeff Dyeyeah I don't like this is going to sound terrible but like when I look at a chick and I go man I like her she's badass like I don't I don't really value badassness in a woman I want her to be

Mia / Jeff Dyelittle and cute and fun and sexy and I agree I liked my green hair better too I don't like the uh like I I don't think to myself what a I bet she could knock a guy out and look how she probably rides a motorcyc I just don't like those

Athenathings personally in a woman so you don't want a girl to go on a motorcycle with you not really that's pretty crazy have you seen then when they're like the Instagram videos and they're like writing and their back's all arched and they're wearing like a cute outfit love

Mia / Jeff Dyethose well they're probably a hot chick so that part I like but the rest of it doesn't I'm not going what a badass like I don't like that is nothing when I see like Angelina Jolie as like Tomb Raider I'm not going holy crap she can shoot

Brian Atlasguns and jump over Cliffs I just like I like a woman let's pull up the tweets we have some tweets from Sav here uh wait make it bigger bigger bigger bigger

Brian Atlasbigger oh that's me that's you all right can you make it bigger when did I you guys bigger bigger which ones uh men

Brian Atlascontinue to show every day why they don't deserve to live whoa what what's that what's what's that about wait I didn't even read the tweet I honestly well I mean the other stuff doesn't really matter hyperbole is it hyperbole

SavannahI honestly was joking to be honest it was clickbait didn't work clearly but I didn't read the Tweet honestly okay what's the other one

Brian Atlasyou but whatever oh can we not talk about wait scroll down he's a piece of just like every other man in the world I don't know I don't care about the guy but every other man in the world

Brian Atlasis a piece of what the fu yeah can we not talk about him oh I I don't want to talk about him I'm more so just focusing zeroing in on the like every other men in the world yeah that

Savannahwas also 2021 that was what three years ago yeah what what why though why did you say that because I was very hurt with that relationship and he honestly was a really horrible human being and

Savannahwhy do you got to involve I shouldn't have all the other dudes I shouldn't have and that's what I'm trying to get at is that it was immature and that was like three years ago and I've grown and I've realize that not every person is like that when you're in the moment and

Athenauh like something happens and you kind of notice a or you don't notice a pattern with yourself where you like someone for the wrong reasons and your priorities aren't right so you keep choosing people that are going to do bad things to you you don't really realize

Athenayou're doing that in the moment you're kind of just accepting the love that you think you deserve so then you like when you're in when you're fresh in it and something bad happens to you you're kind of like I can't believe they're like this I can't believe they would hurt me it's not it's not every single man you

Athenaknow but they if you put yourself in a position where you're in that pattern and you don't realize it you can say something that doesn't mean it's right but that's an explanation of why it might have happen I don't think all men

Savannahare trash I've met very amazing men what does is the rest of the table I agree I mean I've are all men trash

Kikino what is this I get one asking you what what a handshake he's asking you what what you doing oh I'm pointing at you or you think all

Mia / Jeff Dyemen I got excited I mean she kind of just agreed with everyone by saying not all men are horrible yeah that was my whole point oh okay all right that's progress for this podcast there you go

Brian Atlasall right men aren't all men aren't garbage yeah there you go we're doing you can't always get that I've seen your I've seen other episodes you don't you can't get all of them to say that that's that's a good point Jeff uh we're making progress

Brian Atlashere we are making progress we have some Tik toks from vve here let's get those oh great oh boy here comes the toxicity she's

V (Velvet)tra yes uh started from the beginning love this video she's bouncing in her seat she's so excited I love this video attention goe hey this isn't respond to this girl by the name of Lil Chile or something that Stitch one of my videos I couldn't

V (Velvet)respond to her because I don't know if she did that on purpose or that was Tik tok's fault but here's my response lady I hate sex work you know why cuz I used to engage in sex work a little background story I used to be a severe alcoholic I dropped out a college I lost

V (Velvet)my full ride I was hospitalized twice and I couldn't keep a job and so out of pure desperation I turned to sex work I don't like to go into detail about this time in my life cuz it truly was very traumatizing but I will say this taking

V (Velvet)blazingly hot showers and crying trying to get the old crust off of you is something appetizing it certainly is not worth the money but I found myself tricking myself into believing that what I was doing was actually incredibly empowering and that I was using the man for his money and taking it the fact of

V (Velvet)the matter is that they were actually using me they were using my innocence they were using my childhood trauma they were using my vulnerability to make themselves orgasm money was nothing to them and they knew it was everything to me and they themselves ended up

Andrew Wilsoncapitalizing off of that that sounds like yeah zero accountability to me yeah but

Andrew Wilsonyou're saying 100% that was what about the meno yeah about the the men did this to me it was men's fault they were capitalizing on my bad decisions the fact that I was a drunk the fact that I

Andrew Wilsoncouldn't hold a job the fact that I was kind of a piece of uh and Men took advantage of that it definitely sounds like you're kind of moving the goal over to this is men's fault and it was in the Cadence of gotcha you were like here's

Mia / Jeff Dyewhy lady that I could but was like but all well not being a gotcha 100% yeah so can you can you give us the

Andrew Wilsonum the actual story here without the snark like tell us the the truth do you blame men for the fact that you were a sex worker not necessarily I think I take equal blame I think that I was at

V (Velvet)at a at a place where I was at such a level of desperation everyone around me was telling me like dude this is quick easy it's fast money and it will get you by and I was under the illusion this is

V (Velvet)this is at an era of time where we were not talking against sex work this is a very weird time in like 20 2019 2018 no excuse me 2017 2018 where sex work was a

V (Velvet)very positive thing so this is me thinking okay so I'm going to make easy money quick money and it's going to get me by and um no I'm not blaming men at

Andrew Wilsonall but I that's literally what you did in the video yeah I mean you did how much of the responsibility is yours wouldn't you say that the responsibility

V (Velvet)is 100% yours yeah absolutely I do I do think so but I also do think that um there's there is a

V (Velvet)uh how how do I say it there's an environment in where like men create that that we like enter that we can like actually like engage you mean the demand is that what you're talking about yeah there is yeah you know what I mean it's

Brian Atlaslike blaming the drug there's there's there's demand out there but watch like if I was a chick

Cararight that's all you like you don't you just don't do it like that's it isn't it hypocritical of her kind women get previously saying with the essay commentary and conversation that if you

Caraput yourself in the position then you're 100% yes yeah completely she's just trolling because respons she wants to be on The Winning Side just like Andrew said y yeah you actually can't hold this

Andrew Wilsonposition very well so you can't say yeah it's 100% my fault but that would be not 100% your fault that would be like uh I think it's 80% my fault but there was an

Andrew Wilsonenvironment which was fostered by X andx and that was who so is it 100% you or isn't it a lot with no other qualifiers is it yes or no 100% the fault of you

V (Velvet)that you engaged in prostitution or not well I was 100% at my own free will yeah that's not my question I asked what the

Brian Atlasquestion is it 100% yes it's me it's 100% me so okay um so you just like say whatever will get sorry hold on uh you were Hospital you said you were

Brian Atlashospitalized twice for may I ask for what yeah alcoholism over overdosing oh okay hospitalized for alcoholism I thought the way you said it in the video

Brian Atlasperhaps I misread it it sounded like you were committed or something no for like a psychiatric commitment hospit

V (Velvet)like I was hospitalized overdose overdose on on Aderall and and cocaine and cocaine Aderall cocaine and then the other one was for I completely overdose

V (Velvet)alcohol too was then last one was alcohol fruit was there cocaine or Boll involved in I don't think in the second time no is that a speedball I think it's

Andrew Wilsonspeed engaged in these things before the sex fre Peter Griffin uh yeah um uh I'm trying to

TTS/Donationsthink I think it was so I I think it was before then and I think once I got super Nikelodeon donated $200 it's them men taking advantage of

Andrew Wilsonme it's the alcohol it's the women telling me to get into the work okay it's all my fault I am God yeah that's ridiculous it's so ridiculous I agree with that but you know to kind of move

Andrew Wilsonback into this I'm wondering did you get into all of this drugs alcohol and all these different things before you did the sex work no I I feel I think it was a bit of a combination effect I think I

V (Velvet)I couldn't keep a job cuz I I was having an issue with with drugs and alcohol and then once I was so desperate for money and I resorted to doing sex work I think it's snow it's snowballed and only

Andrew Wilsonworsened because it's a CO okay so then the addiction to these things was pre sex work so then what what happened here in order of events tell me if I'm wrong here go ahead but what happened was you were unable to hold a job due to the

Andrew Wilsonfact that you were an addict yeah and so in order to get easy money you turned to sex work yes that's that's what actually

Andrew Wilsonhappened so so that is without a doubt uh 100% on you yeah I think I'll say this

V (Velvet)I can I keep going okay I think this is what I'll say to that I think that there was like a problem and I think that definitely the sex work was expedited everything of all my issues that I was

Andrew Wilsonhaving it it it worsened my it was the way of coping with everything 1 th% yeah sure but the move into sex work that was all due to you and your own addictive

Andrew Wilsonbehaviors which then LED you to the to this because you couldn't hold the job right yes yeah so then that would be your fault still so you could say the sex work exacerbated already existing

Andrew Wilsonproblems yes and I would agree that that's likely true but you're definitely the person who's responsible ultimately for these actions yeah yes okay we're going to pull up the next

Brian Atlasvideo here hold on I just need to double check the other Tas what was the other thing we need to pull sorry guys one sec this last

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V (Velvet)oh I love the comment um not only are they not Superior they're also all pedophiles oh T yes uh that's kind of uh I take

Brian Atlasoffense to that as yeah you would actually dating a 19-year-old what what where did you hear this you said it on the previous podcast I never you've put a lot of words in my

Andrew Wilsonmouth I've never disclosed anything related to my D going viral 19 wouldn't count as pedophile either and and by the way can you actually make a moral argument against

Andrew Wilsonthat brought up multiple times why don't you actually make a moral argument for why that would be wrong even if he did even assuming he did make a single moral argument for why how that would be wrong

Athenaor how that would make him a pedophile no it would not what I'm saying it could be wrong without making him a pedophile can we avoid that word please but how is it

Andrew Wilsonimmoral being a 34y old man dating an 18y old now don't restate the question just answer the question how is it immoral even if he did do

V (Velvet)that um I immoral I think it's just too vague too nuanced no you don't know what moral meal I do know what moral means but I good then how would it be immoral you clearly had a position against it

V (Velvet)you've brought it up a multiple times defend your position I'm defending it I think I think it's weird but I think that I think you're you're going all this like black and white i i i for me

Andrew Wilsonpersonally I morality is Black or White it's either moral or it's not moral it's not in between there's no Nuance you know exactly morality is completely subjective would you object to well wait

Andrew Wilsonwait hang on back up if morality is completely subjective then all you would be stating here is a subjective opinion as to whether or not it was immoral what Brian did anyway right a lot of the

Andrew Wilsonopinions stated tonight are subjective that's like what an opinion is yeah yeah okay which why I asked for a moral argument and she says morality is subjective right yes yes so if morality

Andrew Wilsonis subjective then you couldn't actually say that even if Brian was dating a 19-year-old that that would be objectively immoral correct there's no such thing as anything being objective when it comes

Andrew Wilsonto morality we clearly opin I disagree but whether or not true you would still say that there's nothing objectively immoral about that right yeah we can go back to that we're just like harping on it but yeah I think it's weird okay

Andrew Wilsongreat now let's move into the subjective portion what even from your position of subjective morality would make it immoral for him to date a

V (Velvet)19-year-old there's there's nothing that that I can imagine as a man that you would look at as an 18-year-old at your age with the experience that you've had

Andrew Wilsonthat would make that not be strange oh really so you don't think that um a man who was looking for fertility in a woman would he go for a younger woman or an

V (Velvet)older woman God see that's when I'm all like you guys are all pedophil you guys are all so gross oh I'm sorry I'm sorry you believe in evolution do you not here we go this scr's insane okay this is what I saying wa wait no

Andrew Wilsonanswer the question do you believe in evolution wait what she's God so she created Evolution go ahead with your point if you believed in evolution then you would say that there would be an evolutionary mechanism inside of men

Andrew Wilsonwhere they would go for women who are more fertile because the more fertile women would of course create more offspring can so why is it that if a 40-year-old man went even for a 19-year-old girl that that wouldn't make

Andrew Wilsonsense from an evolutionary standpoint from your subjective morality what could possibly be wrong with that that's disgusting two things yeah just don't don't give me the

Brian AtlasI will you hold on wait wait wait wait hold on Athena has something to say go ahead Athena you know what else is evolutionary rape every other every

Athenaother species does it can you just say ESS Sor my bad I'm sorry you said two things yeah okay this is the first thing

Andrew Wilsonum what essay like before we had Society how did we reproduce what we we still utilize what's called sexual intercourse isn't that amazing

Andrew Wilsonwhat animals do it like there animals also have sexual intercourse isn't that crazy what we also used to kill each other all the time there's a bunch of

Mia / Jeff Dyeimmoral imal we still do that yeah and it's still moral but I'm bad right I'm just saying just because it you can't even describe what is bad he's I just said subjectively can I get through my

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