PSYCHO Feminist KICKED OUT?! 1 RAGE QUIT?! CRYING?! Andrew Wilson! E-girls! | Dating Talk #126

Date: 2023-12-11

Duration: 7h 21m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSavannah (DT126)>

AAshley (DT126)>

AAthena (DT126)>

AAndrew Wilson >

KKiki (co-host DT126)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_02Ashley(guest)

SPEAKER_03V (Velvet)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_05Mia / Jeff Dye(guest)

SPEAKER_06Ashley(guest)

SPEAKER_07Cara(guest)

SPEAKER_08Athena(guest)

SPEAKER_09Savannah(guest)

SPEAKER_10Kiki(guest)

SPEAKER_11Athena(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteAthena reveals she accidentally reported a suspected credit card fraudster to hotel security while drunk, causing him to disappear for two months.

“I just go I know he's doing crime to the concierge... and then he just disappeared off the face of the Earth for two months”

ControversyAthena attempts to leave mid-show for first time, citing discomfort and a 'male platonic friend' getting mad.

“I think I just want to go... I don't know I just not feeling it”

ControversyV/Vel confronts Brian about not greeting guests before the show. Brian deflects; Andrew calls her a 'spoiled brat'. Jeff de-escalates.

“I kind of feel disrespected”

OtherAshley (pink shirt/SPEAKER_06) leaves the show after Andrew Wilson calls her a 'skank' on air. Andrew declines to apologize.

“he called me skank... Andrew do you want to apologize... under no circumstances I stand by what I said”

OtherBrian invites Kiki (off-camera co-host) to join the panel mid-show to replace the departed Ashley.

“welcome Kiki you're going to contribute far more to this conversation than that woman”

OtherAthena walks off panel in tears after seeing hostile live chat comments. Returns ~5 minutes later.

“I just need a little break... I've never been in a situation like this before”

QuoteV/Vel discloses she punched two police officers on separate occasions and broke into an ex's apartment with a patio chair, stealing his social security card.

“I got really lucky... I have um no record... punched a cop in the face which is a felony and I got a citation”

QuoteV/Vel discloses history with SeekingArrangements (sugar dating/sex work) while calling herself a traditional woman and radical feminist.

“there is no such thing as going on a date with a guy and thinking you're not going to have to touch them... that is 100% you're paying for sex”

ControversyV/Vel escalates from general feminist claims to asserting the vast majority of men are innately pedophiles. Brian, Jeff, and Andrew push back demanding evidence. Brian prepares to kick her off.

“I think the vast majority yes innately yes biologically yes... if granted the opportunity to get away with having sex with a 15-year-old girl with no repercussions they would do it”

ControversyBrian kicks V/Vel off the show after she claims the vast majority of men are pedophiles by nature.

“get the get the off the show... out you go”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

Guests introduce names, ages, occupations, and locations. Brian introduces Andrew Wilson as call-in guest. Relationship status round.

Age gaps and dating older men

Athena's relationship with a 29-31yo real estate billionaire at age 18. Debate over whether age gaps are inherently problematic. Billionaire details questioned by Andrew.

Feminist identity / definitions of feminism

Discussion of who identifies as feminist, definitions from first through fourth wave feminism, TERF positions, radical feminism vs. traditionalism. V/Vel's contradictory self-labeling as both radical feminist and traditional woman is central.

Women's legal equality and abortion rights

Whether men and women are legally equal in the US. Athena argues women are disadvantaged; Brian and Andrew counter that men lack bodily autonomy (selective service). Abortion debate briefly touched.

Prison reform and incarceration

Sparked by men's bodily autonomy / military conscription discussion. Athena states she 'doesn't believe in prison'; debate over rehabilitation vs. punishment, private vs. federal prisons.

Greater male variability hypothesis and intelligence

Brian raises the greater male variability hypothesis. Andrew explains it: men show greater variance in intelligence at extremes. Jeff asks for evolutionary explanation.

V/Vel's criminal history and confrontational behavior

V/Vel discloses two arrests for battery on police officers, breaking into ex's apartment with a patio chair, stealing his social security card and passport. Tensions escalate. Brian accuses her of trolling. Andrew calls her 'spoiled brat'.

Sex work, OnlyFans, and sugar daddies

V/Vel discloses sex work past on SeekingArrangements. Cara (Mia) discloses current adult content work. Discussion of OnlyFans typers, parasocial relationships, fraud concerns, whether OnlyFans negatively impacts relationship prospects. Catholic faith vs. sex work reconciliation.

Male oppression vs. female oppression

Wide-ranging debate: military conscription, sentencing disparities, police brutality statistics, wage gap debunking, circumcision at birth. Brian argues male oppression (draft) dwarfs all female grievances combined. Athena concedes some points.

Dating standards: height, first-date payment, traditionalism

Height preferences around the table. Whether men should pay on first dates. Brian's argument that traditional treatment must be earned in the modern dating market.

OnlyFans, typers, and romance scam theory

Brian develops theory that OnlyFans typers constitute legal fraud/false advertising/romance scam. Discussion of parasocial dynamics, men spending large sums expecting emotional connection.

Wage gap debate

Brian debunks wage gap citing hours worked, job type, seniority, education. Compares to male workplace injury/death gap. Cara (Mia) defends her mother's welding career as example.

Transcript

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Brian Atlaswelcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape thanks for tuning in tonight you could have been anywhere in the world but you're here with me I appreciate that sorry for our our uh delay with starting here guys had a couple uh mishaps before the show

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Brian Atlaslink in the description be sure to like follow And subscribe to the X5 podcast and let them know whatever sent you without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age occupation

Savannahand where you're from go ahead my name is Savannah I am 25 about to be 26 and I am a model clothing designer and I guess

Brian Atlasinfluencer guess influencer guess you guess influencer maybe someone call it that okay what about you my name is V I'm 25 and I'm in Tech

Brian Atlassales all right where you from Boston Boston okay and did you say where you're from I don't think so Los Angeles La got it what about you my name is Ashley I am

Ashleya nurse model and DJ and I'm from El Paso Texas and I'm 26 years old all right welcome hi I'm Athena I um I go to

Athenaschool in Pomona I'm an architecture major and I'm 19 all right welcome hi I'm Cara I'm 23 um I'm

Caraa nurse and I'm from Oxnard are you an RN uh I'm an LVN okay got it what my name hi my name is Mia please hi my name

Mia / Jeff Dyeis Mia I 21 I am from LA and I'm also an only fans girl okay welcome I'm a comedian Jeff Dy I'm from

Mia / Jeff Dyefrom Seattle Washington originally but now I live in Los Angeles and I'm 40 years old I was making sure no one judged me I

Brian Atlaslooked at all their eyes no look yeah good good they were really nice about it all right cool so we're going to go around the table once more so what is everybody's current

Brian Atlasrelationship status so are you single talking stage situationship Friends with Benefits relationship married polyu sex cult herum what's that one if you're single how long have you been

Savannahsingle and what's the longest relationship you've ever been in go ahead okay um I am currently single the longest relationship I've been in was 2 and 1 half

V (Velvet)years okay I'm not single I just actually am uh got a boyfriend we became official

Brian Atlasthanks and my longest relationship probably 2 and a half years okay did you say how long you've been single sorry I missed that part oh how long yeah how

Brian Atlaslong you've been single I think it's been like a year yeah probably a year okay oh excuse me sorry sorry I totally forgot we have Andrew

Brian AtlasWilson I'm sorry Andrew we have Andrew Wilson on the line Andrew is uh joining us via call-in this is one of our first times doing like a call-in um just audio

Brian Atlaswe did one with video um Andrew sorry about that um will you introduce yourself please yeah sure my name is Andrew Wilson I am the host of The One and Only Crucible one of the fastest

Andrew Wilsongrowing debate channels on the internet and uh regular uh to the whatever podcast thank you guys all for having me here thank you for joining us uh via Colin appreciate it kind of feels like

Andrew Wilsonhe's our boss or something like he's on a conference call yeah like Andrew did you get the numbers from is it just the TV is talking to you is that how it looks on your end the TV is just like

Andrew Wilsonspeaking to all of you he's from pretty much pretty much yeah like that's great it's just like I can just chime in and go be silent I have spoken exactly there

Ashleyyou go there you go um so uh relationship status I'm taken in the longest relationship I've been in was

Ashleylike a 2.5 years okay taken what was that married no like no boyfriend and boy you're in a relationship how long how long have you been in the

Ashleyrelationship for oh it's like 3 months so it's still fresh three months super

Brian Atlastaken um 6 months is the longest one and I've been single for six months so you're currently single you've been single for six months six months longest

Athenaokay what about you I'm currently single um I've been single for like 3 months and my longest relationship um like three years all right cool cool cool

Caraokay what about you and I am currently single I believe my last relationship was over a year ago and my longest was three and a half years so you've been you've been single for one year yes okay longest three years all right Jeff what

Mia / Jeff Dyeabout you I am a single guy ladies his DMS are open yeah I'm single I've been single for about a few years two plus years and uh my I I'm embarrassed to say my longest relationship just because

Mia / Jeff DyeI've had relationships that have been years but it's always like off and on and some happens and then like we get back I'm one of those guys so it's like you know years but if we're being honest like like consistent steady

Mia / Jeff Dyemonths is probably my longest relationship red flag I know I know a little bit huh so longest was like 2 to 3 months probably yeah I mean and that I'm being generous was did you ever have a

Mia / Jeff Dyegirlfriend yeah those they were like my girlfriend for like 3 months and then I would do some or they would do some or I would get uh all like uh in a relationship and break up for like a week and then be like I love you

Mia / Jeff Dyeyou know you know that off and on yeah it can be yeah we all have flaws that's true unreal and uh Andrew what about

Andrew Wilsonyou and be honest Andrew uh so I've been married for over 10 years um I don't remember the exact amount of time that I've been with my

Brian Atlaswife but it's been for a long long time okay more than 10 yeah more than 10 yep nice nice cool cool we got

TTS/Donationsa donated $200 nice chat would you rather get a massage from a gay man or surgery from a female doctor serious surgery so basically would you rather get a massage

Brian Atlasor die a massage sounds pretty great I'm not going to um chat that's the question for the chat oh um the chat chat you guys want to answer that I don't know if

Brian Atlaswe we we p the chat up chat what what which one which one do you prefer they like your joke the chat is chat's into it

Brian Atlasum okay thank you um who would L what about you buddy what would I do yeah I think I'd take the massage me to he's not having sex with me he's just massaging me just close my eyes and go

Andrew Wilsonall right this guy's probably not enjoying it the way I fear that he is I feel like I'm going to kick the bucket on this one guys no you wouldn't I think I think I would I think

Mia / Jeff DyeI think I would just have to dive into my faith and kick the bucket on this one it's just a massage just a massage just a massage but if he touches my privates

Mia / Jeff DyeI'm going to be upset you know I don't get those masses no not from him oh I don't know just what if he offers a happy ending I'd say no thank you let's have a professional massage here that

Brian Atlaschanges the question professional relationship all right uh so for those of you who are uh single what does that actually look like um so you said you've been single for one year

Brian Atlasand we'll go around the table asking those of you who are single um are you currently talking to anybody any men women in the picture

Mia / Jeff Dyeyes yes multiple yeah just one just a guy yeah okay what's his name and address that's person and social

Brian Atlassecurity number give me everything on this guy mother's maiden name um so how long have you been seeing him um

Savannahwell we've been friends for like am I to far uh we've been friends for like probably like 2 years now but we started talking like seriously probably like a

Brian Atlasmonth ago or two okay okay and are you guys exclusive are you dating other people or uh exclusive

Mia / Jeff Dyeright now exclusive that's a boyfriend not really exclusive it's the whole defition of boyfriend what does uh what does not really mean I mean I get well I

Brian Atlasdon't know you just haven't said boyfriend yet I guess yeah yeah all right Fair okay all right we're just taking things how it goes I like that so

Athenayou're single also um how does that look um I go on dates I have a favorite um and then there's like the other guys that are like they're farther away you

Athenaknow um yeah so you have a roster kind of I wouldn't call it a roster because their dates you know they're they're not like they're

Brian Atlasnot like hookups oh but you are hooking up with your main guy orever I don't want to answer that you don't want to answer that why why is that uh I'm

Athenaworried about my digital footprint you're okay so what is uh what is digital footprint worried about digital footprint what are you in nfts or something if I like wanted a job and then they search up my name and then I'm

Brian Atlasover here talking about a bunch of gross stuff gross stuff well let me ask you a couple question watched this podcast before I don't think you request to be clear she I want to make it very clear

Brian Atlasto the viewers she requested to be on she dm'd us so there's okay um I don't think your boss is going to care if you have sex I was going to say are you like applying to be a nun and like you can't have any previous history of sex or like

Brian Atlasis you do realize this is a dating and relationship podcast where we talk about dating and what topics were you anticipating were you talking like collateralized debt hold on oh

Brian Atlascollateralized debt obligations like what did you anticipate we were going to talk about on the sorry for interrupting um it's fine what I mean there's like opinions

Brian Atlasthat I have and I said in advance that I wouldn't and you guys were like cool well it wasn't you didn't precisely lay out what was and what wasn't we'll see if I get this was a sports

Brian Atlaspodcast I thought this was a job interview I'll feel it out um well I'll just okay so you provided some pre-show notes to us so I'm assuming the pre-show notes that you provided are fair game so you said you

Brian Atlashave many crazy dating stories like you dated influencers and billionaires you're very opinionated you can argue but kind of have a unique stance you think women sh I don't think women

Brian Atlasshould work that's what you said is that correct okay um you said you dated influencers and billionaires any influencers that you can reveal I don't

Brian AtlasI think they wouldn't like that can you tell us the genre like Tik Tok and you said you dated billionaires as in plural singular sorry okay you you

Brian Atlasuse the plural in in your messages here uh so you dated a singular billionaire can you tell us what realm of uh industry he's in real estate real estate

Brian Atlashow old is he 30 a 30-year old billionaire okay and he's in real estate and you're 19 how old were you when you dated him 18 it was gross why well he was what 29 and you

Athenawere you were 18 right you're an adult yeah why would that be gross I mean my prefrontal cortex isn't

Brian Atlasdeveloped so do you think women shouldn't vote um at 18 then no um oh so you so you can make political decisions

Brian Atlasthat could lead to war but you don't have the the mental faculties to engage consensual sex with another adult it's not really about that um I can form

Athenaopinions about things that I read but relationships are like like in politics like I can read the news and understand that but relationships are a lot more complic so you can elect you can vote to

Brian Atlaselect a representative that would send people to war to die you can buy a firearm you can you can join the military but you aren't you don't feel like you can engage in a consensual

Brian Atlasromantic or sexual relationship with another adult um you interrupted me um while well no no no hold on I'm the host of the podcast therefore there's a higher conversational burden on me so yes I'm I have a little more leeway to

Athenainterrupt go ahead with your point I just meant um because I was going to tell you my point um go go ahead interpersonal relationships are like a completely different realm it's not just

Athenaprocessing simple information and then making an informed decision it's like I do I explain

Andrew Wilsonit I can't really explain it but like I think it's totally different you can't you can't explain your position you feel like he took advantage of you because he was older I'm not

Athenasaying necessarily he did I'm just saying I won't know how I feel about it until I'm older it's feelings that's what it is it's feelings politics shouldn't involve feelings it does sometimes but it really shouldn't if

Carayou're voting for the right people um but I mean in relationship there's feelings you know like you can be manipulated could I just ask like outside of the politics of it like why do you think it's gross was it gross

Carabecause the age C was it gross because he did things you don't have to specify but like what was gross because or was it gross cuz you dated a billionaire what was in it for you I just think in general that like there I mean I was

Athenalike a high schooler you know so you were in high school I was yeah I was like naive like I didn't know like he could have been hurting me I wouldn't have known H sounds like zero accountability to me but um I just

Savannahpersonally think it's kind of weird like being 25 almost like 26 I personally wouldn't date an 18-year-old because there's a very big maturity Gap so like that could be a reason so I think like

Savannahin that way it's a little weird because I personally wouldn't date someone a lot younger than me just cuz like thinking back when I was 18 like I was not developed at all like I didn't know a lot of things that I do now I mean men

V (Velvet)and women are very different so in what way are you going to in what way tell me what way terms of age in terms of age for you well in in terms of what they're generally attracted to

Brian Atlaswomen in general tend to date up even if it's one two or three years right and we see this this is evidenced by for example marriage statistics women typically will marry someone uh I don't know what the exact average is but

Brian Atlastypically they te the average age of marriage for women is younger than it is for men Andrew do you have anything for this yeah so you're you're kind of talking

TTS/Donationsabout um sorry b538 donated $200 gross BC may have to Hash me toore

Mia / Jeff Dyevictim those biles okay bone man 53 okay bman appreciate I have something about that though it's like so you were saying like you

Mia / Jeff Dyewouldn't you know you remember what you were like and you're thinking back like well it doesn't seem like yeah I wouldn't want to date a young chick because I we don't have interests that are the same I would we I wouldn't I don't even know what a lot of young

Mia / Jeff Dyewomen are talking about most of the time yeah I don't I don't like it however I would imagine that a Billionaire's motive of dating her is probably physical he's not looking to engage with

Mia / Jeff Dyeher about the thing like Finance or technology or any those things so but why is his motive gross to date her but her motive to be with a billionaire is some some was he super hot I mean was

Mia / Jeff Dyethis guy like what was the right so your motive might have also been physical and but also you're bragging that he's a billionaire now even though you found that it was gross then so you guys just had a nice little trade there that's all that was I don't think it's gross I

V (Velvet)don't think he's a piece of for wanting to date a young chick I think that everything that you said is correct but I think it's still completely valid for her to look back on that and find it to be gross yeah completely valid it can be all those things that you just said

Andrew Wilsonand still for her to and I didn't judge her for I just said why is it gross I why and when you say valid yeah what do you mean by valid like uh just how she feels about it she can feel valid

Andrew Wilsonabout hold please let him talk yeah can't can't she feel valid about anything like what what does that mean does that totally a meaningless statement no if she's looking back at it

V (Velvet)and I know there's like a source of like intimidation here she's she's probably the youngest person here right now hold on a a what it's a little bit of an in idation I think we went around the table and immediately started harping on the

Brian Atlasyoung girl who said that she was uncomfortable with the billionaire hold on I don't like I I I do not like your uh the way you are painting this interaction here I started with her I

Brian Atlasasked her what her status is you two are in relationships I'm going going I'm going around asking people to delve further into their I think his feelings

V (Velvet)are valid I totally agree I think everyone's I think you're so right there's disagreement you're so allow Andrew did you want to continue with yeah let me sorry yeah I was I was trying to figure out what you meant when

Andrew Wilsonyou said it's valid so if everything he says about this is true you say but you're just talking about her feelings in general right so how she feels you think that that's going to be valid regardless of what the fact of the

V (Velvet)matter is totally I think um I think there's a there's a if someone is feeling a certain way I think they're totally if she's looking back at it and she's like you know what that was really gross that made me feel really uncomfortable probably did feel gross

V (Velvet)and uncomfortable is that the situation at hand objectively who knows but if that's how she feels personally that's how she views the situation that's why we asked why and that's you ask why just said why do you feel gross was a judgment at all there's nothing wrong

Andrew Wilsonwith you questioning it and there's nothing wrong with her with her answering it but I think uh that's it I feel like yeah but you could you could see where the confusion would come in for trying to get to the fact of the matter and instead of the fact of the

Andrew Wilsonmatter you kind of chime in with what what about her feelings though well we're just trying to get to the what about her feelings that's why I asked you specifically what you by valid and what you meant by valid was how she feels

Andrew Wilsonright how do I look when he's talking like where is he go straight up like like you can hear me so like look to the told me what like valid meant and like valid just meant

Mia / Jeff Dyelike feelings right can I talk go ahead yeah it's your thing speak also I'm going to talk to her the same way whether she's 18 or 19 or well you suggested maybe we shouldn't because

V (Velvet)she's a young girl never once said that you said you Target in on her cuz she's the youngest let meit there is but I don't care what age she is I'm just not because of age no but I think there is a level of vulnerability that I think she has that most of us probably

Athenadon't at the table and you guys know that come on I feel like a lot of words are be being put in my mouth from both sides but I also agree with both sides and I also think that um it's going to be a long show folks with this

Athenaconversation like I think like after hashing through it with you like I do kind of change my opinion a little bit oh I'm sorry um I do kind of change my opinion a little bit after hearing your

Athenaguys's um but um I think that first of all I didn't say uncomfortable and so yeah I think that's all I have to say

Brian Atlasactually okay all right so you were dating a billionaire um how did you meet him was it a dating app Tinder Tinder okay a billionaire was on Tinder I know what yeah it was crazy how you a

Athenabillionaire did he have a Wikipedia page he had a literal row of mansions that his entire family lived in separate houses on oh he's got family wealth okay

Brian Atlasyeah he didn't he never oh so he's like a trust fund kid okay all right um wait so okay and real

Brian Atlasestate so okay and you so you met on Tinder you were 18 he was 29 at the time 30 and then 31 oh okay I see and um so

Brian Atlashow long were you seeing him for six months six months okay and given that he was a billionaire did you kind of reap any benefits from that in terms of was

Athenahe kind of like a sugar daddy was it a sugar daddy thing kind of no I never got any money but it would just be fun stuff like I'd be like you know what would be fun right now air hockey immediately air hockey table just like wherever I am at

Brian Atlasthe moment is now there isn't it it's kind of amazing to me like an 18-year-old girl is dating a billionaire like that's good for you just can we go

Andrew Wilsonback to the to the air hockey thing real quick you say that your motivation was what was really cool about it was anywhere you could go there would just be air hockey there for you no I just think that's one of the interesting things that wasn't the main draw it

Athenawasn't I'm not like that air hockey focused but um that's a great I'm just saying as far as perks go that it wasn't like all perks that wasn't why I was there but as far as perks go were you living with him no okay um

Athenawould he take you on trips would you guys vacation together he like did not talk to anyone or go anywhere

Brian Atlasum we went on like like local trips though okay yeah all right nothing yeah so you could have just been

Brian Atlasessentially dating an average dude like it was the same exact your lifestyle didn't change in any way because you're were dating a billionaire I think maybe his house was

Andrew WilsonI don't know I was just like getting what I want on request is like so fun wait what getting what I want on request is so fun like what are some examples of that yeah I'm curious about that well PR of all air hockey air hocky air hockey I

AthenaReally they just like did they just carry around an air hockey table for you or no I was just using that as an example um okay but like I liked alcohol at the time I could get that also that's

Athenakind of weird that I was 18 and this dude's just like giving me as much liquor as as I want were you asking for yeah I'm not saying it's super weird I'm just saying it's a little bit weird I

Andrew Wilsonwell I certainly wouldn't advise men over 21 buying alcohol for it is illegal actually so it's a little bit weird yes I feel like this doesn't require billions of dollars though what are the what are the billion of billion dollar

Brian Atlasperks that you were getting him being a billionaire sounds like it was totally secondary like it didn't even it was like one billion it wasn't like a million billion you know that's still a lot that's still a lot of a lot of money

Brian Atlasyeah it was like it'd be like $7,000 hotel room or like a Bentley and I'm allowed to drive it really fast wait so okay you're 18 you dated a billionaire how do you go from dating a billionaire

Athenato dating a broke college guy like there's no going back I don't think you can go back so high it's really great for me I actually cut off like so many people like no one's allowed to be mean to me now wait hold on so after dating

Brian Atlasthe billion just so I'm clear after dating the billionaire now your standards are elevated to what it's not really about money um just the treatment I guess but I mean sometimes

Athenait's about money if it was like it's kind of like every if you were to think of it entirely transactionally there's like different aspects there's attractiveness there's like your ability

Athenato have sex there's your personality and then there's money you know so it's like you have to have a certain number of some of those stats you don't have to have all of them okay all right well I think it was valuable enough that like she gets to

Mia / Jeff Dyesay she dated a billionaire that's obviously a big thing right for someone is that a flex not I mean girls talk about it all the time we're talking about on this podcast so that's some sort of Worth to that I wasn't trying to flex you more just asked me a question

Brian Atlasand I was like this is interesting so I answered with that I I'm not juding for it I wasn't saying you were trying to flex but I don't know if it's a flex like I one time dated a billionaire who

V (Velvet)I no longer see and I also think it was gross that's probably not like no think that you asked her do you have anything interesting that you've done and then she said well I did a billionaire and

Brian Atlasthen how' you and then how wasn't she goes well looking back it was gross I like that you're T like are you her lawyer or something like are you a her advocate hello no she invested

Brian Atlasa lot of time agree with me no that's that's fine um so you also said that you actually going around the table on this really quick who here considers thems uh a feminist and we can delve into that a little little later on in the show but

Savannahjust going around the table who's a feminist what exactly does like feminist mean like like what exactly is like a feminist what is that's something a feminist would say no it's a genuine

Andrew Wilsonquestion I think so we would say we would say a feem a good descriptor for this might be a push for an egalitarian society between men and women where both

Savannahare seen as equals that would be kind of a general State the most generous uh that I could give for a definition of feminism I just think everyone should be

Savannahtreated equally so I don't maybe I guess okay yeah so that's probably feminism okay I guess no no what no she's not feminist I I

V (Velvet)don't I wouldn't say I consider myself feminism I think my my train of thought kind of really ended during the second wave and I think that we've kind of digressed into something that I can't really comprehend I think in a lot of

V (Velvet)ways I think I have a a radical sense of feminism when it comes to like men becoming women and and I'm very sacred of what I don't believe in birthing mothers I believe in women being mothers

V (Velvet)and then if you're a transwoman you are a uh transom you're not a woman well in your pre-show notes to us you stated you were a radical

V (Velvet)feminist so are you not a feminist are you a feminist so I think in like I said in in terms when I think when it comes to

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Brian Atlasthis comes back like this it's good it's good I have that same good thank you thank you um thank you um sorry go ahead you were saying yeah I think in a very

V (Velvet)traditional sense I think I uh there's a lot of values of radical feminism that I agree with that that ises align with um uh I I like I don't agree with I'm

V (Velvet)probably probably call me a Turf totally fine with that only fans I'm very uh and a sex work I'm not comfortable by um so yeah and in those ways yeah definitely

V (Velvet)radical feminism but in the way feminism is described nowadays I'm not I can't appeal to it no well what is the way it's described in modernity that you are so resistant to

V (Velvet)man I think um I think a lot of femininity is lost in modern day um feminism I think uh there's a push for it was a there was a push in in the

V (Velvet)second wave for for equality that women should be able to work if they wanted to they should put an own house and have their own credit card if they wanted to what we have now is that women are are

V (Velvet)kind of expected almost behave like men and that's just where I just don't feel comfortable because the reality is that women we will never be like men and and we should never aspire to be like men and I think that's kind of where

V (Velvet)everything's being pushed with feminism we're we're not equals there are in ways that men are better and there are ways in which women are better and there's nothing wrong with that there's something wrong so if I were to ask you

Andrew Wilsonabout policy and say well what kind of policies are you talking about that you're actually resistant to because it sounds like what you're talking about are the effects of already pre-existing

Andrew Wilsonfeminist policy which has led to this current state so if that's true then wouldn't you be resistant to the first and second wave feminism which led through policy to the current state that you now resist that's a really good

V (Velvet)question I totally it's a very good point I mean how did you how did we get here if it weren't for the first and second wave you know we can always argue that the sexual Evolution completely uh

V (Velvet)so sorry you're fine I think that you can totally argue that a sexual Evolution completely dismantled like what it is to be a woman and and it and radicalized a lot of things for us so

Andrew Wilsonit's such it's such a good question I I really I you can what's the answer I I don't know I don't know you don't know what the answer is so you you don't you don't think that the thing that you're the most resistant to right now which

Andrew Wilsonclearly LED from the policies that you just got done saying you supported isn't a thing which now you should maybe push back against and say well those policies clearly led to outcomes that I don't

V (Velvet)like yeah you're completely right right it's one of those situations where you look at you go the first and second wave you're so passionate about how did it how did it come how did it get here

V (Velvet)that's that's all that I can really think about and I don't know all the answers I don't but I I I'm completely aware of of where it's led us can we call you maybe a feminist in

Andrew Wilsonrecovery um I think some people have joked that I am yes yeah well good for you at least you're thinking about the fact that being a feminist in m uh must be or the the things that you

Andrew Wilsonhave an issue with must have come from the policies previously so I'm glad to see that you're in your mind at least pushing back against that yeah 1,00% okay uh so going around the table just

Caraare you a feminist oh no I want to be a housewife okay uh yes yes feminist okay no I feel like men should provide men should

Caraprovide okay I'm on right in the middle I grew up with a mom that was a welder and I also grew up just completely being independent but I as well think that there is certain things like you said

Carathat men are better at and perhaps are best fit for but at the end of the day I think instead of choosing equality of men and women I think it's equality of humans and that's what I see I don't think that it's necessarily that one man

Carais better than the woman nor should solely men provide I think just humans should provide it for themselves and if it's in a relationship or any other Dynamics so be it but I think we need to think of everything as humans especially

Carawith all the transitions well how many uh I'm sorry I didn't mean to cat you off go ahead oh go ahead oh I just said just including all the transitions that are that are being made especially with sexuality and sexual identification I

Carathink at the end of the day we're all human beings and with that being said equality is the goal at the end of the day we all want to go somewhere we all want to be somewhere if it's Heaven or Hell whatever it may

Andrew Wilsonbe equality yeah when you say that we're all humans I mean that's obviously true that we're all human beings but wouldn't you say that human beings still are

Andrew Wilsonbroken into categories for a reason like female is a category male is a category and those categories are necessary for us to even have conversations where we can break down what the Human Experience

Carain the ontological nature of humanity is Right absolutely I think we obviously are in those categories for that's that net reason of either providing more children providing something of sorts

Carafor men it's more so that seed and all that such I think at the end of the day the way that I look at things is because of because of the advantages and the

Carachanges that we've made in present day that regardless of having a partner or not or having a relationship or family to even depend on one should still be independent of themselves and be able to

Cararely on themselves and try to prosper as best as they possibly can I don't think it's necessarily men over women women over men none of that crap I think it's really just of insec but if human

Andrew Wilsonhumanity is broken down into these categories like male and female which it clearly is uh the reason that they're broken down is because there's a different nature to both of those there's a different nature to to males

Andrew Wilsonthan there are to females right they're not interchangeable widgets you would agree that that's true wouldn't you completely yeah so if they're if they're not then when we have these conversations just kind of saying something like well at the end of the

Andrew Wilsonday we're all human beings doesn't really mean anything because we really have to narrow in on what these different categories are so that we can have a discussion about what their preferences are and how they relate to each

Caraother okay I mean do you agree with that I do agree I'm just simply stating my position just what I've seen and what I've grown up with and that's all it really was it wasn't necessarily coming

Caradown to that cross of we are human beings I'm just stating the obvious and I'm also stating that I follow along both lines okay um Jeff what about you are you a feminine no not at all I love women a lot very

Mia / Jeff DyePro women I grew up in a house full of women I've got three sisters a mom I'm a very proom okay anti uh feminist ideologies a lot of rage in there a lot

Mia / Jeff Dyeof Revenge Pursuit a lot of simple ideas kind of like what he said like uh at the end of the day we're all people which is beautiful and that's all you meant which is what you meant oh we got one

TTS/DonationsMotorsports donated $2 we are at a point men pretending to be women are voted better women than real women and feminists cheer them on

TTS/Donationsfeminism has failed you how can the patriarchy help you today wow isn't it kind of dope for the patriarchy though

Brian Atlasthat men are better at being women than women well right that's like men are women sport yeah definitely

Brian AtlasSports all we got Sports destroying you guys in women's sports bigger than you that's it unfair I think I might even be able to become an Olympic gold if I start You' be cheating and you would be

V (Velvet)woman of the year and you'd be cheered on and budlight would love you what I was saying though is that dope sign me up get me my sponsorship I actually did a sponsorship with Budweiser like 10 years ago they were transitioning in a

Mia / Jeff Dyeminute or it's been a minute rather what's up I was just I don't think people words don't matter anymore which is very flustering to me so someone will say like I'm a radical femin

Mia / Jeff Dyebut I think this and you go well then you're not the thing you're you're using a thing that you aren't and so people say oh well I'm a Muslim but don't pretend like you know what Muslims are here's the here's what I am when I say I'm a Muslim it's like well they have a

Mia / Jeff Dyebook and you're not subscribing to the things that are in the book that make us believe a thing is what it's labeled so I think a lot of this happens where it's like I'm very Pro women and I love them and I want them to be protected and I want them to be hurt and I want them to

Mia / Jeff Dyebe treated good by everyone and not hassled but I also don't think men are pieces of trash for you know walking down the same side of the street as them like late in New York or something like making them ner like I

Mia / Jeff Dyethere's just so many things that I think we lost sight of like what we call things there's a lot of victim mentality it's annoying that's you're so just just just be the thing you say you are and

V (Velvet)don't if you're not yeah yeah but I do I totally I totally agree 100% I think that um we are kind of in at a time now where there's a label for everything so

V (Velvet)there people are very quick to say it's it's hard to have nuanced opinions because they don't have any label so when you do say like for example like I said like I have a lot of radical

V (Velvet)feminism beliefs especially with like we were discussing with modern femininity like 100% I do but then it's like what category is that it's like you can be it's how do you how do you characterize

Andrew Wilsonnuanced opinions we're trying to figure things out you say Nuance is a category right can you say that again sorry you say Nuance is a category wouldn't you

Andrew Wilson1,000% I wish there that's how you would categorize a nuanced opinion as being nuanced so if you're if you're saying though that you have a nuanced opinion you should tell us what the Nuance is in the opinion and then we could agree with

Athenait or disagree with it I think that's I think that's exactly what I did go ahead I think that like we get like so sorry we get so caught up with like this one person and what they're doing to this

Athenaspecific thing it's like I really don't care about women sports that much I don't care at all and if that makes them happy that makes them happy if people want to say different words than I say

Athenathat's fine if I hate the words they say I can just not hang out with them wait so hold on hold on hold on what about women's you said you don't care about women's sports yeah so I don't care if there's trans people in

Athenawomen's sports if they're happy I don't care so you don't you don't care about the biological females and women that they're competing against if they care that's cool for them and they can advocate for themselves but like I'm

TTS/Donationsjust like I don't need to be part of any of that convers and I think a lot of people $200 to the feminist in the back a side effect of feminism is genital warts you

TTS/Donationscould put a mirror up to your snatch on the Monday and count seven warts Tuesday 12 Thursday 3 Friday 23 Saturday good to

Brian Atlassee you man so I just just some context some context for you guys Jay Butler every single show he's a he's a urologist in in Nevada Las Vegas so he

Brian Atlassees a lot of peen and he every show he sends a chat about Herpes I love that thank you that's his that's his shtick that's his

Brian Atlasthing guys if you're in if you're in uh uh what's the county called it's not it's uh in Vegas what's it called what's the county called I don't know don't

Brian Atlasknow it's anybody in the chat what's the county for Vegas chat please anybody uh him please it's Clark Clark County I think is it Clark County or is it I'm I'm trying to think of the Clark yeah Clark

Brian AtlasCounty if you're in Clark County uh Jay Butler just search urologist J Butler um imagine if that's actually his okay

Mia / Jeff Dyeum okay cool thank you but things things exist outside of your interest just cuz you don't care about female sports Henderson was it Henderson Clark County go ahead go ahead with your point um I

Athenado agree with what were you saying ear you were saying yeah there's not a there's labels aren't specific enough labels aren't helpful um so I when he's calling me a feminist

Andrew Wilsonum that's a really broad thing yeah right okay word word well yeah but but that's why we're asking a series of

Andrew Wilsoninquiries so that we can narrow down the thing so we can figure out what you believe so we don't straw man what you believe right categories are important

Brian Atlasresponding to the chat yeah word okay um well so the reason I went around the table on this is because

Brian Atlasuh so you consider yourself a feminist correct so you said that you don't think women should work now I'd like you to perhaps go into

Brian Atlasthat why you think that what do you mean by that but it on the surface it strikes me as something that's a bit antithetical to the aims and goals of

Athenafeminism so do you care to elaborate on you thinking women should not work I that's a little bit yeah that's also like not very nuanced it's more like um

Athenawomen should obviously be able to work but I don't think they should have to um I don't think it's like I just think I think it's on a personal level I think that I shouldn't have to work and I

Athenadon't want to work but um what um the camera guy was saying about um I'm sorry um with the camera guy was saying about um the definition like I believe in that

Athenadefinition but that doesn't mean that I don't think that like Traditional Values are bad I just think everyone should be able to choose you know and feminism is being able to choose to do that so

Brian Atlasfeminism is the being able to have the choice of as a woman being able to work but also

Brian Atlasso not like men don't you do realize men don't have that choice like men don't have the option of like the fall back of okay I'm just

Mia / Jeff Dyegoing to find a wealthy woman to take care of me right and they shouldn't they're providers men are providers do you think like a radical feminist over here well then what do we get for all the providers insane I don't know what's

V (Velvet)so insane huh cuz we're talking about fism yeah and then you guys are saying things that aren't feminist at all so that's just puzzling as all well I I already explained why what of my beliefs would

V (Velvet)be categorized as radical feminism we already went through that I don't know if you were present I think you were waiting for your next like comedian joke to no I haven't been trying to be funny at all I've been talking to you like

V (Velvet)grown-ups no yeah I know you're 80 and I'm like trying to like talk to you I mean that's a bit insulting to excuse me he's 40 yeah I'm 40 40e

V (Velvet)experience like we've we I went through it with radical feminism like what so you don't want us to use your stupidity against you is that what you're saying no I don't well I mean that's actually the

Andrew Wilsonposition the position would be if you're calling him old and experienced you're saying that he's just too smart for you and you can't hold a conversation is that what you're actually trying to say yes that has to be I didn't feel like I was being insulting I was just talking I

Mia / Jeff Dyedon't I don't think you were being insulting either oh you don't feel like you were insulted or you don't I don't feel like I was being insulting and I don't think you were being ins he's like one of the most polite curious what you

Mia / Jeff Dyethink just I know you guys are loving each other I see it I do find Brian to be great but I was saying that I'm going to ask you questions on the things you guys ask that's that's all I don't want

Andrew Wilsonyou to think I'm attacking you yeah but you're like 80 yeah I knowe came into sociality by using your own worldview against them that would be ins

Brian Atlasum but that's not fair to like uh to it's a little references I I don't see how his age is kind of relevant here and he looks like he's early 30s

Mia / Jeff Dyedoing pretty good La he he hasn't had any girlfriends no kids that's what's kept you young kids are the like one of the greatest things in the world but they do age you like a president my friend just had a kid and he looks like it's

Mia / Jeff Dyeonly been 2 years and I was like what happened he go kids don't let me sleep but uh no but besides the way I look or me being old I was just suggesting that he went around and said who's a feminist and who's not and he's asking follow-up

Mia / Jeff Dyequestions about feminism and I'm not hearing anything that's feminist in fact wildly conservative values so my mind I said this is insane because what I'm hearing doesn't fit into a category of what we're talking is all I'm saying well we just we didn't get into where I

V (Velvet)would think that feminine like radical feminism would be like included in conversation we can totally go down that route but you're the moderator and I never aing of I don't think women should work

Athenayou were you were talking about how women have a fall back all the time but men don't have a fall back they're forced to work women kind of need a fall back like because I mean that's like why I think women should be able to work but

Athenawhy I think they like shouldn't have to is because like if you're a woman and you're if you're married to someone even if you're married forever if that person hits you one day and they're providing for you and then you have to get away

Athenafrom them you don't have that providing anymore you need to get away and now what do you have nothing well when you say that women shouldn't have to work right you would agree that right now

Andrew Wilsonwomen don't have to work right

Andrew Wilsonyeah do you do you agree with that yes yes you agree that women right now shouldn't or don't have to work so what you're really doing is putting in the Mandate that you would prefer that they

Andrew Wilsonhave the option to work yes okay okay got you I just wanted to clarify this so your position is that your preference is that if women want to work they should

Athenabe able to MH like I would say like for my own lifestyle like I would prefer something like what you're talking about um but I don't think that everyone else should be forced to do what I want to do

Mia / Jeff DyeI would prefer to just do whatever I want all the time and have another grown-up pay for all my things we would all love that that's insane because like that's not real I mean people have that

Andrew Wilsonluxury but it's pretty tough I think so so well here's the followup is do you think uh anyone should have to work or just that women

Athenashouldn't have to work I don't think I mean ideally like something like uh the way that we're working like everyone's working like a 5H hour work week and we've been doing

Athenathat for so long even though the development of technology has made it so that um the same amount of work that was done in a week like 200 years ago can now be done by like that with a

Andrew Wilsonrobot so we should all be hanging out but it doesn't work like that so I should get to hang out that that doesn't really answer the question that's your preference for what

Andrew Wilsonlike your utopian society would be but what I'm asking is should anybody have to work or should only women not have to

Brian Atlaswork well someone has to work ah not me yeah yeah as long as it's someone else yeah exactly all right yeah that makes sense did you have anything uh more on

Andrew Wilsonthat Andrew or yeah so just to I mean just kind of push in a little bit you realize that basically what you're advocating for there is complete and

Andrew Wilsontotal selfishness right yeah yeah okay oh she's honest she's honest I mean I can't I can't take it anywhere from there right

Athenasay yes I'm selfish okay I can at least deal with that all right she's honest that's good I mean for some for instance my brother um he was telling me he is like very very smart he is like he has a

Athenareally successful career he's getting internships he's a data scientist um he was like I never want my wife to work like that feels wrong to me like I would never do that to her okay you know so

Athenait's like never do that anyone's mad at me for not working they just don't have to date me but also I do I'm kind of passionate about what I do so I'll probably end up working if I like it

Brian Atlasokay it's just not really a feminist position and Fe feminism typically espouses gender equality so it's not a

Brian Atlasparticularly strong feminist position to demand equality in the broader it's actually like kind of conservative like the way it's tradcon it's super traditional like I want to be a

Athenastay-at-home stay at home not have to work and have a provider mail I want that for me but that's that doesn't have to be everyone I think that everyone should get to choose their life well yeah but

Mia / Jeff Dyesure I mean everyone should choose their life I I just the sentence like women shouldn't have to work makes it sound like you're talking about women and not just you all they should have to they

Brian Atlascan if they want so wait women shouldn't have to work so how let's say a woman chooses to also not date get involved

Athenaromantically with a man then she has to work then she has to work that's on her all right like I I don't know what's more feminist than every like people

Athenashould be able to have all their rights have the right to do what they want to do you know but like you can be equal and not be the same you know but it

Brian Atlasoccurs to me that one aside from feminis feminists wanting to secure uh women's rights in the form of actual legal rights which they have and there's total equality on that front perhaps with you

Brian Atlasexcept really well okay we can no we can get into that but I mean the only right that I can well okay actually before I make my statement so I was talking like

Athenawomen have equal rights under law you said you disagree how do you disagree no I oh yeah you said not really first of all yeah first of all abortion obviously

Brian Atlasum anything else I can I'm going to respond to the abortion thing but anything else men yeah men can have abortions right I was about to say say men don't have any Reproductive Rights at all so actually you can make the

Brian Atlasargument that if we were to have hold on hold on if we were to just actually completely Outlaw abortion like bear in mind roie Wade just kicked it back to the States so you can still get an

Brian Atlasabortion in California if you're so inclined if we were to just nationally total outright ban of abortion that would actually be equ equality between men and women so it's not clear to me now we that I'm not making a statement

Brian Atlasabout abortion I'm just saying when it comes two com comparisons comparison of Rights men have no Reproductive Rights airgo it's not an inequality between the

Brian Atlasgenders that women perhaps are starting to lose some of their Reproductive Rights oh I would love to talk about that um well me well men can't get

Athenaabortion so no they can't can I um right you have complete bodily autonomy like okay but it's not an Evidence of

Brian Atlasa women losing abort rights is not an Evidence is not evidence of excuse me something's in my eye of inequality and you also have bodily autonomy the argument is over the body

TTS/Donationsof another being who's not you I mean it's not really inequality because you get a business Jack 20123 donated $200 maybe Vel should talk about

TTS/Donationscheating on all her boyfriends also her Tik Tok says she was a sex worker that's my ex-boyfriend business Jack that's my are you guys on good terms sounds not hell sounds like hi

Brian Atlas[Music] John oh business Jack's a fake name that's what's the audio set to Nick oh I would totally is that true do

Brian Atlasdo you care to I mean we won't which part I'll totally I'm such an open book well just yes or no were you were you are you a sorer and then I I when I yes when I not not presently not presently

Brian Atlasand then he but when I was allegedly that you've cheated on all your ex-boyfriends I'm not cheated on all my boyfriends now okay um you wanted to come in and then we'll come back to you go ahead if you don't mind um you said

Savannahnot all right that I thought I thought that that was an interesting disclaimer does that mean most no okay all right go ahead well basically my point was is

Savannahthat you were saying that it's not in in or it's not um like basically you guys can't get abortions right so it's like that isn't like equality but it's also like why is

Savannahsomeone else in charge of what I'm doing with my body I'm like an individual person like why do I have to listen to what you're saying about what I want to do for myself well I'm not so I mean I'm

Brian Atlasnot particular you exactly right right I mean I'm not particularly inclined at least at this moment to get into an abortion debate but we don't have to but the point the point I was trying to make was she I said the statement that under

Brian Atlaslaw men are women men and women are equal and she said well what about abortion but I don't think that again it's not evidence of inequality between and women

Brian Atlasbecause men don't have any corresponding Reproductive Rights so if men had the option of for for example if men could

Brian Atlasand I assume most women would not be willing to make that trade of well if we just completely Greenlight abortion like

Brian Atlasyou can it's just totally legalized but men can also opt to to have you abort the baby I'm assuming most women would not make that trade I mean yeah obviously because it's your body okay so

Athenathere's in any case so did you want to tell us the other ways in which well like if you I'm having trouble thinking a lot of reasons right now but if you like you said you had other reasons I forgot that you said legal um

Athenamost of it's most of it's not legal or it's the um failure to protect those laws that's most of what it is and i' I'd consider that legal but also if you look at a broader scale like everywhere else in the world there's so many

Brian Atlasexamples that I can go through if you want but I I mean I'm not I I don't know the political happenings of Ethiopia at this exact moment I'm I'm talking chiefly I think when I'm talking about

Brian Atlasfeminism I'm talking about Western countries so I don't I don't know I'm not really privy to the going on of um I don't know

Brian Atlassome small population country in Africa for example um but I can talk about broadly speaking Western countries well like I said most of it is

Athenajust failure to uphold the law and then I can give you reasons um such as like can you speak into the mic please sorry like healthcare um there's statistics

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