She Wants A Traditional Man But WILL NOT Take Husbands Last Name?! | Dating Talk #117

Date: 2023-11-13

Duration: 5h 53m

Guests

Brian Atlas

JJacqueline (DT117)>

KKylie (DT117)>

JJackie (DT117)>

EEmily (DT117)>

CChase (DT118)>

TTiffany (DT117)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Ava Marie(guest)

SPEAKER_03Tiffany(guest)

SPEAKER_04Ali(guest)

SPEAKER_05Pearl Bots(guest)

SPEAKER_06Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Chase(host)

SPEAKER_11Emily/Jackie (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Jacqueline(guest)

SPEAKER_14Kylie(guest)

Key Moments

QuotePearl Bots introduces herself and describes going viral for TikTok about shaming men who split the bill.

“my name is Pearl Bots I'm 31 and I'm a singer songwriter and content creator”

QuotePearl argues that the viral TikTok was a skit to illustrate a point, not actual advice, and criticizes sensationalist journalism for misrepresenting her views.

“it was a 30 second clip of like a very small piece of how I think and who I am”

QuoteBrian challenges Pearl: she wants a traditional man who pays and leads but won't take his last name. Pearl says she hasn't met a man worthy of it yet.

“I haven't met a man who is worthy of me taking [his last name]”

QuoteChase responds that a high-value man would not want to marry a woman who won't take his last name.

“why would a high value man want to marry a woman who won't even take his last name”

QuotePearl rates herself a 10/10 on looks, arguing that perceiving yourself as a 10 helps you actually become more physically beautiful through higher self-standards.

“10... I think that my looks have grown as my self worth has grown”

ControversyBrian challenges Pearl and another guest who rated themselves 10/10, saying they overrated themselves. Ava pushes back, calling it ridiculous.

“y'all overrated yourselves a lot”

QuotePearl defends her 10/10 self-rating by explaining it as a mindset tool that leads to actual self-improvement and attracting better energy.

“if I perceive myself as a 10 then I push myself to get to those standards every day”

QuoteKylie shares the story of her first love at 19: a meth/heroin addict who led her on while seeing his ex, and who she visited in jail.

“he was addicted to drugs... he was messing around with me the whole time and seeing his ex-girlfriend”

QuoteJacqueline expresses frustration at the double standard on body counts, arguing men have no right to judge women when their own counts are higher.

“who the f*** are you to tell me or judge me on my body count when your body count is probably 10 times higher”

QuoteChase explains why the body count double standard exists: women can get sex easily, men must become exceptional to achieve the same. A high body count in a woman raises questions about self-control and faithfulness.

“if a woman wants to rack up a very high body count all she has to do is open her legs; if a guy wants to sleep with 100 women he has to become an absolute stud”

QuoteJacqueline calls out a TTS donor who criticized her looks, saying 'who are you to call anyone' and looking at his appearance.

“women look at what he looks like like look at you you are so ugly like who are you to call anyone”

Topics Discussed

Introductions and relationship status round

Guests introduce themselves (name, age, occupation) and describe current relationship status, recent breakups, and longest relationships.

Pearl Bots viral TikTok: shaming men who split the bill

Reaction to Pearl Bots' viral TikTok (~8M views) and NY Post article about using a trick to shame men who want to go 50/50 on dates. Discussion of whether men should pay for first dates, Pearl clarifies it was a skit/illustrative video, not advice. Led to broader debate about gender roles, feminism, and courtship norms.

Feminism debate: definitions, equality, gender roles

Whether guests consider themselves feminists and what that means. Debate about equality of opportunity vs. equality of outcome. Whether feminists truly want equality (draft, dangerous jobs). Pearl, Ava, and others articulate varying positions. Brian and Chase push back on inconsistencies.

Marriage, no-fault divorce, and state vs. biblical covenant

Brian argues no informed man should sign the marriage contract because women overwhelmingly initiate divorce and are rewarded for breaking the contract. Chase discusses history of fault-based divorce. Viewer donation about eliminating no-fault divorce.

Pearl Bots additional viral videos: feminine energy and traditional relationships

Reaction to Pearl's other viral TikToks about transitioning to feminine energy and soft girl era, wanting to be led by a man. Discussion about the tension between hyper-independence and femininity. Brian challenges Pearl on consistency between feminist identity and traditional relationship preferences.

Traditional man vs. taking husband's last name

Pearl says she wants a traditional man but is unsure about taking husband's last name. Brian and Chase press her on the contradiction: wanting a man who leads and provides but not wanting to take his last name. Pearl eventually says she's open to it if he's the right man.

Requirements in a partner and what women bring to the table

Discussion of what women offer beyond physical appearance and sex. Pearl talks about feminine energy as value-add for men. Brian and Chase debate whether high-value women need to offer more than what average women offer.

Self-rating of looks (1-10)

Guests rate their own physical appearance. Two guests rate themselves 10/10. Brian says most overrated themselves. Debate about objectivity in beauty standards, self-confidence vs. delusion, and how overestimating looks leads women to pursue men out of their league.

Kylie's dating story: first love, drug addict, criminal history

Kylie shares story of her first love at age 19 (newly sober) — a meth/heroin addict who led her on while secretly seeing his ex-girlfriend. She visited him in jail. Discussion of bad boy attraction, why women are drawn to men with dangerous/criminal vibes, and whether this is self-sabotaging.

Body counts and double standards

Whether body count matters, the double standard (men revered vs. women shamed), and why the double standard exists (differential ease of getting sex). Jacqueline expresses frustration. Chase and Brian explain biological/evolutionary reasoning. Guests share their counts. Jacqueline: 15. Tiffany: 0. Kylie: not disclosed. Emily: not disclosed. Chase: 8 (referenced from prior episode).

Transcript

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Chasewanted to go get late did you go to ucsv no I went to City College but I I lived at one of the dorms here in I IA Vista and there were all these girls there that just like you know they just wanted

Chaseto go get laid you know sometimes or often times I think women will give sex in order to get love and they will give so you guys agree with that a lot of

Chasetimes given women will give sex to men who do not deserve them or their sex right like a women will give themselves to men who are not good men they don't

Chasedeserve those women but women crave love and so they'll give their bodies to bad men and then they'll get burned and often times this will result in like an unhealthy pattern where it'll repeat over and over and over again and I I think a lot of women will rack up higher

Chasebody counts because of this pattern right which is why I've suggested hey like you know filter the Bad Guys by not having sex with them right off the bat you'll be able to tell who actually likes you for you and part of the reason

Chasewhy that judgment is there and why it's a red flag for men is because it's I mean speaking from personal experience it's like if a woman has a high body count it's like are you able to exercise

Chaseself-control it's easy for you to have sex or are you able to turn things down even if if you feel an emotional pull does that make sense yeah do you think if a girl has a high body count that she

Chaselacks that control to I think I don't necessarily think like it's a guarantee that she lacks that control but I think it begs the question does she have it you know because if a woman's a virgin

Chaselet's say there's a really attractive woman and she's a virgin right you know that woman has self-control you know damn well that that woman is like there's probably a bunch of guys if let's say a girl's super hot and she's a

Chasevirgin you know there's a bunch of guys throwing themselves at her and she's shooting them down you know that woman has self-control you don't necessarily know that a woman doesn't have self-control if she has a high body count but it is a good guarantee that

Chaseshe doesn't have good judgment when it comes to guys and it begs the question is she a slave to her emotions or can she govern her actions does that make sense yeah and it goes back to the paternity thing that Brian was talking

Chaseabout earlier we have a biological need and a biological drive to ensure our paternity cuz is like if I marry a woman and I sleep with her but she also sleeps with with another man and she cheats on

Chaseme and then he gets her pregnant like I would be screwed raising that guy's kid if I didn't know that it wasn't my own right we want to avoid that yeah I feel like if I was a man I would get a DNA test no matter what like I'm getting a

JacquelineDNA test you know what I mean like that would be like my first thing as a man like if a girl was like I'm pregnant I'd be like okay DNA test and then we'll go from there yeah I I think if you trust a woman in her character it's not necessary like I don't even want to be

Jacquelinewith a woman where that would be a question in my mind yeah no definitely yeah and I think yeah and I think like body body counts just frustrating for me cuz it's like I'm literally like so loyal like if I'm in a relationship with you I like the most loyal person ever

Chaseand then it's like I don't know like well and I think on top of that too part of the reason why it's probably frustrating for you is because you're like okay I can't go back in time and change my mistakes like's what's done is

Chasedone MH I think all you can do moving forward is change your your future actions you know what I'm saying which is why I've been like harping so much like yo filter guys better yeah you know

Chasefilter guys better cuz what you don't want is to get into a relationship with the wrong kind of guy and then have him waste half your 30s and then you're screwed at the end of your 30s what' you

Chasesay said already did that yeah like you don't have time to waste you know yeah I think all you can do is just like I I would recommend change your behaviors start filtering guys better and just

Chasepray to God for the man that he created for you yeah you know mhm so the question which now must be a Riven at if body count matters what is your body

Jacquelinecount can I ask you what you think a high body count is just answer the question Oh no just answer 15 okay do not multiply that by three cuz that's multip by three she watches

Kyliethe show she watches the show what about you I am not going to disclose my body count at no range I'm not giving a range what the heck I didn't know do it I

Unknowndidn't know there was an option just do it don't let your dreams be dreams yesterday you said tomorrow so

Unknownjust do it make your dreams come true just do

Brian Atlasit D does has Shia motivated you I love sh probably like 15 15 okay zero I don't want to say cuz it's kind ofar

Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)embarassing it's not why is it embarrassing cuz it's too low or too high no it's no into the mic oh no cuz I I I don't just don't feel comfortable saying oh I see okay I did not know that

Jacquelinewas an option to opt out oh I know and no one ever opts out look I can't force somebody to if you don't feel comfortable to say anything you're you're not going tot why' you come on a dating show if you

Brian Atlasdidn't want to take count I haven't no I've never done that never done that that's a different one I've never said that that uh these girls did their research apparently um she did I didn't

UnknownSorry multipli by three and that's the real number no that's not true wait did you said 15 I said five no you didn't 5

Brian Atlas* 3 is 15 so five oh God help us and you said 15 ish ish is oh is again okay the didn't want to put the is there butes I'll say 15 to 20 oh 15 to 20 yeah okay

Brian AtlasI'm not going to explain you have any brothers I am actually an only child only child okay yeah okay uh from a single mom I I was screwed from the beginning

Aliit's fine wait 15 to 15 to 20 so what is it is it 15 is it 20 yeah oh like you're not you're just not quite sure not going to I'm not going to disclose the reasonings why what the

Chaseheck I to be honest with you if 15 is true it's not like astronomically High I know that's what I was saying before I was like it's not my number is not like an there's a lot of guys that like wouldn't

Chaselike be like oh my God you're ruined for life now if you had said like 70 or 80 that's crazy who walking around with 70 bodies I should have totally just been dramatic and been like 200 there's

Brian Atlasthere's there are people walking around are you in the 70s range Brian I do not disclose this oh wait so you make us disclose but you want that's the name of

Brian Atlasthe game that's that's the card that's not how that works H well I guess it is how it works all right we have oh my God bro I can't um guarantee The Morbid obese

Jacquelinewoman's DMS are just just as full as Chas DMS let that sink in women look at what he looks like like look at you you

Jacquelineare so ugly like who are you to call anyone look at your face okay first off I love how everybody's taking offense to

Brian Atlasthis but me I know damn way you have no one in your don't I don't care honestly here last travola if you want to fire back I'm going to wrap up the show here pretty soon Curtis Leon Amazon girl x86

Brian Atlasassembly it allows you to do any programming functionality prison girl Brian is a hypothetical Prison inmate so huh Chase I'm not a religious person but love the values you present are spoton

Jacquelinewith any man great values much love brother thankk you Curtis appreciate it can I ask you guys a question go ahead what's up what is what how how high is two high for you

Brian Atlasguys like what would you C just just give me average a me I'm a I'm a just man I believe in Redemption oh God but

TTS Donationshowever you know look uh I modest hikima donated $11 DNA test no matter what is seen as

TTS Donationsmisogynistic when asked for by the father why girl number one also mad respect for sharing body count not very high all things considered Jackie please

TTS Donationsknow you can move from wa and work remote 100% for high a dollar number one body count thank you I know wait did you say it was misogynistic he said DNA test

Chaseno matter what is going to look as misogynistic if you ask that I feel like I feel like a lot of women if you ask them right off the bat to just do a DNA test particularly if you're married to

Alithem take like extreme offense to it that's waiting to happen that's like a huge fight that's like you're sleeping on the couch or actually just sleep in your car like like if you trust your

Chasewoman and she trusts you and you're like yo I need you to do a DNA test she's going to be like what yeah I mean it better be a joke I mean if I was I'll give you a moment to joke but Nickelodeon says the question was total

Brian Atlasbody count nod in one day platoon booper also I was trying to be nice not calling her a name but please ask Kim chunk eel to answer my nationalism question what was his question did your boyfriend

Tiffanyradicalize you on nationalism no he's a nationalist he's like a Christian nationalist oh based yeah he's like American are you the girl with the gper boyfriend yeah yeah oh okay

Brian Atlasnice wait my boyfriend so what were you saying you you were going to ask us a question but then the TTS came in oh what was too what's too high of a body count the lower the better okay but that's ballpark it the lower the better

Brian Atlasshout out to my Christian nationalist let's go I mean double digit I start doing an eyebrow raise once it gets into double digit territory

Brian Atlasum same major eyebrow Rays more than 20 major eyebrow Rays like more than 30 that's I mean again

Brian Atlasthough very strong preference for like low low low body count as low as possible Brian what is your body count not revealing that he's not going to not revealing that chase what is your body count I've said in the past it's eight

Jacquelinereally you have said it in the past you're right yeah you watched the last episode I don't reveal I don't I didn't watch the last episode oh did we're watching all the way home my so I'll

Chasegive you the answer that I've given in the past I was I think the first episode I ever did some girl was like I I said my limit is my own body count oh and then I said that I would prefer a virgin

Chaseand then some girl that was on the panel was like okay but what if you met like a really amazing girl but hers was higher than you and I told her she'd have to be

Brian Atlasreally amazing mhm that's my answer yeah you know that's fair it's fair all right guys we're going to wrap up F any final thoughts before I wrap up from anybody speak now forever hold your no

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