She Wants A Traditional Man But WILL NOT Take Husbands Last Name?! | Dating Talk #117

Date: 2023-11-13

Duration: 5h 53m

Guests

Brian Atlas

JJacqueline (DT117)>

KKylie (DT117)>

JJackie (DT117)>

EEmily (DT117)>

CChase (DT118)>

TTiffany (DT117)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Ava Marie(guest)

SPEAKER_03Tiffany(guest)

SPEAKER_04Ali(guest)

SPEAKER_05Pearl Bots(guest)

SPEAKER_06Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Chase(host)

SPEAKER_11Emily/Jackie (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Jacqueline(guest)

SPEAKER_14Kylie(guest)

Key Moments

QuotePearl Bots introduces herself and describes going viral for TikTok about shaming men who split the bill.

“my name is Pearl Bots I'm 31 and I'm a singer songwriter and content creator”

QuotePearl argues that the viral TikTok was a skit to illustrate a point, not actual advice, and criticizes sensationalist journalism for misrepresenting her views.

“it was a 30 second clip of like a very small piece of how I think and who I am”

QuoteBrian challenges Pearl: she wants a traditional man who pays and leads but won't take his last name. Pearl says she hasn't met a man worthy of it yet.

“I haven't met a man who is worthy of me taking [his last name]”

QuoteChase responds that a high-value man would not want to marry a woman who won't take his last name.

“why would a high value man want to marry a woman who won't even take his last name”

QuotePearl rates herself a 10/10 on looks, arguing that perceiving yourself as a 10 helps you actually become more physically beautiful through higher self-standards.

“10... I think that my looks have grown as my self worth has grown”

ControversyBrian challenges Pearl and another guest who rated themselves 10/10, saying they overrated themselves. Ava pushes back, calling it ridiculous.

“y'all overrated yourselves a lot”

QuotePearl defends her 10/10 self-rating by explaining it as a mindset tool that leads to actual self-improvement and attracting better energy.

“if I perceive myself as a 10 then I push myself to get to those standards every day”

QuoteKylie shares the story of her first love at 19: a meth/heroin addict who led her on while seeing his ex, and who she visited in jail.

“he was addicted to drugs... he was messing around with me the whole time and seeing his ex-girlfriend”

QuoteJacqueline expresses frustration at the double standard on body counts, arguing men have no right to judge women when their own counts are higher.

“who the f*** are you to tell me or judge me on my body count when your body count is probably 10 times higher”

QuoteChase explains why the body count double standard exists: women can get sex easily, men must become exceptional to achieve the same. A high body count in a woman raises questions about self-control and faithfulness.

“if a woman wants to rack up a very high body count all she has to do is open her legs; if a guy wants to sleep with 100 women he has to become an absolute stud”

QuoteJacqueline calls out a TTS donor who criticized her looks, saying 'who are you to call anyone' and looking at his appearance.

“women look at what he looks like like look at you you are so ugly like who are you to call anyone”

Topics Discussed

Introductions and relationship status round

Guests introduce themselves (name, age, occupation) and describe current relationship status, recent breakups, and longest relationships.

Pearl Bots viral TikTok: shaming men who split the bill

Reaction to Pearl Bots' viral TikTok (~8M views) and NY Post article about using a trick to shame men who want to go 50/50 on dates. Discussion of whether men should pay for first dates, Pearl clarifies it was a skit/illustrative video, not advice. Led to broader debate about gender roles, feminism, and courtship norms.

Feminism debate: definitions, equality, gender roles

Whether guests consider themselves feminists and what that means. Debate about equality of opportunity vs. equality of outcome. Whether feminists truly want equality (draft, dangerous jobs). Pearl, Ava, and others articulate varying positions. Brian and Chase push back on inconsistencies.

Marriage, no-fault divorce, and state vs. biblical covenant

Brian argues no informed man should sign the marriage contract because women overwhelmingly initiate divorce and are rewarded for breaking the contract. Chase discusses history of fault-based divorce. Viewer donation about eliminating no-fault divorce.

Pearl Bots additional viral videos: feminine energy and traditional relationships

Reaction to Pearl's other viral TikToks about transitioning to feminine energy and soft girl era, wanting to be led by a man. Discussion about the tension between hyper-independence and femininity. Brian challenges Pearl on consistency between feminist identity and traditional relationship preferences.

Traditional man vs. taking husband's last name

Pearl says she wants a traditional man but is unsure about taking husband's last name. Brian and Chase press her on the contradiction: wanting a man who leads and provides but not wanting to take his last name. Pearl eventually says she's open to it if he's the right man.

Requirements in a partner and what women bring to the table

Discussion of what women offer beyond physical appearance and sex. Pearl talks about feminine energy as value-add for men. Brian and Chase debate whether high-value women need to offer more than what average women offer.

Self-rating of looks (1-10)

Guests rate their own physical appearance. Two guests rate themselves 10/10. Brian says most overrated themselves. Debate about objectivity in beauty standards, self-confidence vs. delusion, and how overestimating looks leads women to pursue men out of their league.

Kylie's dating story: first love, drug addict, criminal history

Kylie shares story of her first love at age 19 (newly sober) — a meth/heroin addict who led her on while secretly seeing his ex-girlfriend. She visited him in jail. Discussion of bad boy attraction, why women are drawn to men with dangerous/criminal vibes, and whether this is self-sabotaging.

Body counts and double standards

Whether body count matters, the double standard (men revered vs. women shamed), and why the double standard exists (differential ease of getting sex). Jacqueline expresses frustration. Chase and Brian explain biological/evolutionary reasoning. Guests share their counts. Jacqueline: 15. Tiffany: 0. Kylie: not disclosed. Emily: not disclosed. Chase: 8 (referenced from prior episode).

Transcript

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Pearl Botsintroduce themselves so please tell us your name age and occupation go ahead my name is Pearl Bots I'm 31 and I'm a singer songwriter and content creator

Brian Atlasgotcha and uh you recently went pretty viral you have a a Tik Tok clip Instagram real go very viral which we'll react to after uh get through all the intros but uh there's a New York Post

Brian Atlasarticle were there any other news organizations that published anything or just yeah uh The Daily Mail Australia um honestly a few I don't remember them all to be honest well

Ava Mariewe'll get into it here shortly what about you hi my name is Ava Marie and I'm 25 and a recording artist gotcha and you sing too correct what kind of music

Pearl Botsdo you both make uh R&B and soul we met at a songwriting camp okay and what kind of music do you

Chasemake I'm all over theer R&B pop R&B pop no rap can you drop Never Say Never drop a freestyle on the whatever podcast you

Brian Atlasguys said you make music together right yeah M nice can we are you a soprano yes technically I am yeah can we maybe we could hear a little you want sure maybe later maybe oh later okay we'll save it for later we'll save it

Brian Atlasfor later sure what about you um my name is Jacqueline I'm 33 and I teach English teach English Okay um in high school elementary school what no it's ESL so

Jacquelineit's like a private campus so it can be 17 to 100 doesn't matter English as a second language gotcha and are you primarily teaching like kazakhstani kid what uh the biggest

Jacquelinegroup right now is French it tends to move like you're teaching French kids how to speak English yeah okay yeah that's the dominating gotcha are you in are you in Canada Canada well that's

Kylietypically where in North America you'd expect a lot of French speakers so no yeah okay all right what about you my

Kyliename is Kylie I am 25 and I do tattoos for a living okay very cool how long have you been doing tattoos a couple

Aliyears gotcha all right cool hi my name is Ali I'm 25 and I am a project specialist for a supply company all right welcome hi I'm Tiffany I'm 18 I go

Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)to UCSB I'm majoring in political science welcome hi I'm Jackie uh I'm 23 and I code for living you code for a living yeah I'm a software engineer

Emily/Jackie (mixed)software engineer okay gotcha hi I'm Emily I'm 19 and I go to Questa College as a criminal justice major all right sweet y'all know me

Brian AtlasChase 28 years old professional photographer and brand consultant rock and roll we're going to go around the table once more so please tell us what your current relationship status is so are you single talking stage

Brian Atlassituationship Friends with Benefits relationship married polycule sex cult Harum a member of a Harum if you're single how long have you been single and

Pearl Botswhat's the longest relationship you've ever been in go ahead I'm single I've been single for two years and the

Brian Atlaslongest relationship I've been in is a year and a half all right got it and you both live in that correct okay gotcha

Ava Mariewhat about you I'm single I guess you could say since September is so like you guess complicated what are you what are

Brian Atlasyou trying to do Nick what are you trying to do Nick what are you trying to do what are you trying to do Nick it's so over right now bro actually

Brian Atlashold up where the Nick's getting guillotined that's a 50 D it takes literally 30 seconds what the

Brian Atlaswas that go to streamyard F1 Jesus Christ okay scuffed um it's okay it's all right we're back we're

Brian Atlasback go ahead who where did I you were I think she was saying she was saying it's complicated so you've been single since September so about two months you've

Ava Mariebeen single longest relationship I guess on and off for 4 years W okay on and off for four years with an ish is what does

Brian Atlasthat mean and wait it's currently complicated is that no a single okay single for couple three let's say two three months longest relationship four years but on and off again uh how many

Brian Atlaslike breakups were there how many times was it off and back on three oh just three okay that's some people will in on again off again

Brian Atlassituations that will break up every week so you know dozens of times solid strong three okay all right so not too

Brian Atlastoo toxic but a little toxic pretty toxic who of the times there was a breakup who was initiating it was it you or the guy I'm always the one you'd

Ava Mariealways break up for sure why why'd you take him back you know you know people will say things

Ava Mariepeople will change for a certain amount of time and action that follows up what they say but then slowly old habits come back it takes a lot for someone to change you really have to want it for

Ava Marieyou you know there's a Seinfeld episode about how it takes a solid three times to really break up with someone and I really I think that's true but anyways

Ava Marieso who would come back to who would you go back to him or would he come back to you no no he would DM again after the blocking was up or make a full new fake

Ava Marieaccount full new number yeah that particular person made a new Instagram and a new number to contact me so and emailed wow and he was

Ava Marieable to slide through your defenses um you know I I'm not like ruthless so I'm just going I'll be like I'll hear you out we can meet for coffee see what's up

Ava Marieokayest the vibe same did the same problems keep surfacing sort of sort of a new additional ones would come up I feel like as you spend more time with someone

Ava Marieyou learn more about them you see them more so in a different light you spend more time with them so new things were coming up for sure and then life threw

Brian Atlassome curveballs his way that change yeah yeah you know was he very cuz you said he would make like new numbers and

Brian Atlasdifferent emails like you would say no but would he keep like was it badgering pestering to a degree yeah okay yeah

Ava Marieyeah how did he not give you the ick by doing that well he did like at obviously but then how did he recover from giving you Vic time I think cuz I just didn't really care anymore like I didn't feel the same way so I was like you know I'll

Ava Mariejust hear you out as a friend I was already talking to someone else it would it was like I think the longest in between was like a year once we went without speaking I was over the whole thing so I was like it was more so on some friend stuff and we both had

Ava Mariechanged and grew and were in different places of our life so then it just became completely different I was different I don't know and then it kind

Brian Atlasof took a while and then then it yeah yeah you know but we're here now you said you were single you've been single for two months mhm was this on again off

Brian Atlasagain relationship the one that ended two months ago no different different relationship okay different uh while you were in the on again off again relationship was it exclusive was it monogamous or were you guys seeing other people

Ava Marieor well that's defin definitely part of the issue um we were seeing other people is but is can we Define it's just like

Ava Mariedo you want to be doing that and should that that was not see I guess you would call it a situationship honestly it was during college too so it's a whole other that was a whole other thing okay college is different who is it more of

Chasean issue with that you guys were seeing other people definitely me you had more of an issue with him seeing other people yeah oh okay yeah but you were seeing other people too yeah but that was why was it more of an issue that he was doing it because I

Ava Mariespecif we specifically had a conversation about how that wasn't going to happen and then once I figured out that was happening on his end cuz it wasn't on mine originally I was like well I'm not just going to sit here wait

Chaseso hold on let me get this straight I'm not trying to pry but you broke up with him and then blocked him later later okay so what was the agreement before you blocked him hey

Ava Mariewe're not going to see anybody yeah yeah yeah it was and then you blocked him and then he saw people yeah but if you blocked him why why would you care well no he saw people

Ava Mariebefore that and obviously that triggered me being like okay well I'm not going to see you anymore and be with you you know that makes sense cuz I we specifically had a conversation that you just went

Ava Marieagainst I'm all about honesty cuz like he violated your trust yeah and trust is important oh for sure betr was like the main feeling he do that before you guys broke up say

Brian Atlasthat again did he do that before you guys broke up did what see other people yeah that's why we broke up wait point of clarification were you when you say like during this whole on again off again thing when you were seeing other

Ava Mariepeople was it during on stages or during off stages or both eventually both because the lines were so blurred at that point it was a mess you know if you've ever been in a

Brian Atlastoxic situation it just you know good times it was doomed clearly but you know okay all right well there you have it um what

Brian Atlasabout you so I am very much single um very much single very much single what is what is the difference between single and very much singer I'm not talking to anybody I just ended a fouryear

Jacquelinerelationship similar I was like oh sounds like she talking about me yeah four years on and off I just like two weeks ago it was two weeks ago wait so you've been single for two weeks I've been to for two weeks so that's fresh

Jacquelinehow does that feel right now um it's mixed feelings because it was yeah just definitely toxic definitely a lot of what she was saying

Jacquelineyou know just like my trust was not there he cheated on me um and he was just I don't know he had very weird Tendencies I guess like how so I don't want to talk to much bad

Jacquelineabout him but you know um he was very shy like shy to the point where like he wouldn't even even go in like in anywhere with me like we would go to like the dispensary and he would be like can you go in and I'm like he never

Jacquelinewould want to go in like anywhere and then was he like scared no and I mean like if we went grocery shopping and stuff like that but it's like I don't know he was really weird about the dispensary for some reason and he like he didn't ever want to hang out with any

Jacquelineof my like roommates my friends like ever so it's like him and his friends were always number one and then it was like I came second sneaky link um probably probably so wait four years on

Jacquelineagain relationship how many times was it on and off H like seriously like three times was like sound like you guys the same gu yeah

Brian Atlasright so three time really just three times okay seriously three times Ser rule of three I guess like she said true um it takes three times to break up so

Brian Atlasokay three times um more often the KN who is breaking up with oh sorry hold on just a sec

Unknownagains be

Brian Atlasnight going oh that was English it was a Japanese I I got to fix Japanese accent

Brian AtlasI have to fix that how did that get turned on I need I it must be one of my settings um sorry grid one you are Japanese woman I guess can you P up that comment again without it reading without

Brian Atlaswithout the yeah without the voice cuz that was a pretty funny comment here what I'm going to do is I don't know if I can wait let me see I'm GNA mute and then I'll pull it do you want to read it Chase and I'll fix I think we should have AA read

Ava Marieit you should I go yeah go for it go for it red hair equals red flags how many tires have you slash ever stabbed anyone the level of toxicity here is epic on and off again seems to be the theme of the night drug use and toxic Behavior

Ava Marieseems like it's going to be a great show W he's he's out for you ever response to that um there was no mention of drug use um so I don't know where you got that from that's for her that's for her but

Brian Atlasokay how many tires have you slashed none no yeah stabbed him no we've had some stabbings not on the show recently not promote violence okay good good

Brian Atlassorry grid one that it I F it should be fixed now it should be I don't know what happened there um so I think I was asking you more often than not who was breaking up with who I think that's

Jacquelinewhere we left off yeah it was pretty even like it was pretty even um yeah so I would say equally we did like um he

Jacquelinewould break up with me and then like I like I would want him back and I would break up with him and he would want me back like it was very back and forth you said it was only there's only like three breakups three major times like where it was like there was space in between us

Brian Atlaslike talking or hanging out where like other times it's just like the toxicity of like you know like f you like I'm going to go do whatever or whatever so would there ever be like a minor split so you're talking major split where

Jacquelinethere'd be what weeks months yeah but maybe a minor split where it'd be like couple days Days yeah exactly how often would that happen a lot a lot uh I still

Jacquelineconsider that like a technically off period a lot like I want to say like 15 to 20 times damn yeah okay so including

Brian Atlasthe major and the minor on and offs you said it was still pretty evenly split yeah okay and does that change anything for you like were there like little

Brian Atlasminor like okay okay B I'm just we're done and then like to the next day you guys get back together have you did you have that okay all right I got a followup question for both of you were there any red flags at the beginning of

Chasethe relationship where you could have predicted this Behavior yes yeah what did that look like that's like huge growth rule number one what you see in the beginning is what's going to end it mhm you can't change the person period

Ava Marieso so what did you see in the beginning oh you know Playboy Vibes blah blah blah whatever what do what does that look like um like well first of all it was again

Ava MarieCollege very different time but going out to parties a lot playing on a sports team that was really big like constant girls are always around fawning whatever and they love

Ava Mariethe attention someone who can't be alone ever always needs like their team to build them up you know that sort of vibe

Ava Marieand it would be like pulling teeth to have a DAT actually be set for things you know so yeah so you wanted the Chad that

Ava Mariewas fooling around with all the other girls and call him a Chad you thought you could save him you thought you could change him or what I didn't think I could change him cuz I think it kind of it's always the guy who I I feel like I don't necessarily care about either in

Ava Mariethe beginning where it's just some casual thing we met casually it wasn't a planed anything and I'm like oh like when we first met I would I had no clue who he was and was very like who are you

Ava Marielike like I wasn't really like oh my God who is that like I did not feel that way and then slowly but surely just time pass started getting to another person hanging out and then like feelings crept up on me so I I had no intentions of

Ava Mariebeing like I'm going to bag this guy and change him like that was not the vibe at all just kind of organically grew yeah um yeah and then feelings Got Deep on both

Ava Marieends but just wasn't the right time have you had a rebound yet not yet what about you rebound you said it was two months ago September well the thing two months ago is a

Brian Atlasdifferent guy from this fouryear thing but have you had a rebound from the the the most recent guy sure yeah sure yeah

Kylieokay all right is is rebound is got it what about you so I am single I've been

Kyliesingle for a few weeks now and um my longest relationship is about 3 and a half years recent breakups few weeks how long

Brian Atlaswas your most recent relationship it was like 5 six months yeah oh and what about yours how long was your most recent one the September breakup I

Ava Marieguess like 8ish months was it a situationship or like a proper boyfriend I guess you well it it's um I feel that I feel that you know I just it

Ava Mariewas a proper relationship and then the last month it wasn't technically why because we broke up before and then we ran into each other at something and we were like ah

Brian Atlasand then we tried it again but it wasn't really what it was before before yes it was okay this is a total non Seer that has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation we're having right now my

Brian AtlasOCD is like you guys are both wearing jean jackets and sitting right next to you you look like an amorphous Mo blob is

Brian Atlasone of you like could you maybe just to saate satiate my OCD could could you like maybe remove un like you are wearing something underne

Brian Atlasokay hold on the way I can take my jacket off just cuz Okay just cuz like help differentiate for you yeah like I'm yeah my theisms kicking in

Brian Atlasum did your turn I went I went already oh you did wait huh she said she's single broke up a for three and a half years yeah yeah okay gotcha um why did

Brian Atlashe dump you he didn't dump me oh my bad what what an assumption Brian rude rude why did you dump him well it was it was

KylieMutual yeah it was super Mutual just not each other's people so rebound have you had a rebound no not yet no rebound okay

Aliwhat about you um I am newly in a relationship a little over a month congrats thank you how is it um it's new

Alium because I got like my heart shattered back in March sorry to hear that so it's okay um so I had to start over basically everything relearning myself um well how

Alilong was that relationship the Heartbreak one a year one year exactly a year damn since the day I met him you broke up on your anniversary wow yeah longest longest relationship it was that one oh you said it was a year you said

Aliit was going to be like the happily ever after like oh my gosh he fixed a heart he didn't break and then yeah okay sorry

Brian Atlasto hear that talking stage okay talking stage um and but you haven't met this guy correct no never

Tiffanymet him in person I'm meeting him in like 3 weeks he lives in where Alabama and okay how you guys meet he goes to school in Alabama he lives in uh Nola New Orleans how'd you guys meet um he

Tiffanysaw me on Tik Tok and DM me on Instagram what was your Tik Tok something talking about Kanye what did you say about Kanye I have no

Brian Atlasidea you don't what I think she is it is it like cancelable were you saying Kanye was right I I don't know you have here show us your Kanye tattoos so you have on

Brian Atlasyour own number one Kanye West fan that's show us the other angle Nick other angle how many Tik toks have you made of Kanye other angle maybe well I don't know but quite a lot because wait

Brian Atlasshow us again there you you go and then don't you have a life of Pablo on your shoulder yeah okay Instagram yeah it's on your IG if you need to see it um okay

Brian Atlasso but you've never had dated anybody nothing prior to your no Alabama talking 100% P 100% what pure what do you mean

Brian Atlasby that like pure like what what do you mean what do you mean like sexually pure okay

Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)so version okay what about you uh I I just became single yesterday oh so sorry so sorry to hear that if you can

Brian Atlasjust speak a little closer to the microphone uh newly single yeah you guys split up yesterday yeah okay how long were you guys uh dating 2 years and a

Brian Atlasmonth I guess two point damn okay is that your longest relationship um yeah pretty much and was it a was it longdistance relationship or yeah he

Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)lives in South Kore Korea so the time difference is kind of like really different yeah are you uh Korean yeah

Pearl Botsokay gotcha so am I oh my God me too so many what oh my no way are you mixed half Korean half Korean if we get like one more girl we got black pink here okay

Brian Atlasum is that offensive to say I don't know is that I think that's okay right is that was that a reference what' you say black pink is a South Korean pop it's

Brian Atlaslike a girl girl group okay she sings true you could sing no absolutely not software engineer so she

Brian Atlascould okay I don't see but I can dance beautiful all K-pop K-pop team the trio um so many breakups at the table C

Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)broken panel um so but did you guys meet in person yeah yeah of course we went to the same College okay so he like he moved to for work

Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)uh he went back to South Korea for grad school and uh he he's South Korean citizen so he couldn't really stay here with oh I see so he was here in the states for uh College yes gotcha who

Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)whose decision was it if I may ask it was kind of mutual I think it's really hard to do long distance yeah it's tough was it on the Rocks a little bit or yeah I think our personality didn't really

Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)match that well and it was okay in person but like if since it became ldr it was really hard to like keep it up how long was it makeup how long was it long

Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)distance well since he graduated which was like after winter I guess so like maybe like 7 month but I did go back to South Korea to see him and then he also came

Chaseto Seattle so it's a long time to do long distance stuff okay what's the time difference between here and South Korea so it's right now it's like 5 right so

Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)it's like 10:00 a.m. there I think it's like 16 hours yeah okay that's a tough one how did um you said you guys met in

Brian Atlascollege right yeah okay gotcha uh I think that's all the questions after that uh what about you Emily I'm single and my longest relationship was 6 months

Brian Atlashow long have you been single about a year one year all right six months all right cool uh let's uh let's go into the the news

Brian Atlasarticle uh Nick if you're able to pull it up about about Pearl yes about Pearl what' you do

ChasePearl I don't know last episode a girl stabbed her boyfriend oh wow oh wow Wait nothing she claimed she threw a cup and then wrestled him on top of him and cut him with it but the police report said

Unknownthat she stabbed him with a kitchen knife oh lovely she denied that yeah another super healthy relationship yeah go

TTS Donationsahead this article I yeah put this over there I use this oh wait hold on they ruined Game of Thrones donated

TTS Donations$100 good to see extra Emily back have her on more chat ships you both bew though if Brian and Emily had kids they'd be pale as ghosts case rather

TTS Donationssmash the hottest trans woman in the world or the oldest woman in the world # VA maybe we save it for later we save it for a little later later on in the show

Brian Atlashere I'll pull it back up um we can okay we'll save it we'll save it um yeah for for the record oldest woman in the world I've stated it before allow me to State it again maybe we can get into

Brian Atlasthat a little bit later uh okay well let's do the article all right uh I use this hack to shame cheap men who want to split the bill guys say it's manipulative now do you take issue with

TTS Donationsthe the title of this article um I would say that I said Motorsports donated

TTS Donations$100 har Hawk that first chat was scuffed lot of recent breakups must be holiday season again time to shop for a

TTS Donationsnew to the ladies any shopping plans for the holiday season a new man perhaps

Brian Atlasanybody I already got mine so she's are you you're the only one okay all right

Brian Atlasum was it uh he said the first chat was scuffed lots of recent breakups must be time to sh the rule the rule is actually you you shouldn't break up during the

Brian Atlasholiday seasons from I think Thanksgiving to Valentine's Day yeah or no is it I think it's well whose rule is this uh I don't know I just heard a thing like you just shouldn't break up

Brian Atlasactually no I think it's from Thanksgiving through the new year and if you want you can extend it through Valentine's Day but Thanksgiving through New Year you don't break up I think

Brian Atlasthat's the rule because bad time that the unofficial Brian rule don't break up during those time periods okay let's read let's get to the article thank you

Pearl Botsgri one uh and I think you were saying you feel like this is fair is it fair is it a fair title I would say that it is inaccurate and in interpretation of the

Pearl Botsvideo that I posted why is it inaccurate um one it wasn't a hack it was not used to shame rich or cheap men and um maybe

Brian Atlasguys say it's manipulative is the truth in that well let's read the article a bit and then we'll pull up the video so uh I don't know like this is it's a lot

Chaseof uh Ed editorial ISM with the New York Post all the time but uh this 100% genius hack will get 50/50 cheapos in check splitting the bill on a first date

Chasehas become a topic of contention amongst Singletons online with dissenting views on whether a guy should be solely responsible for picking up the tab during the inaugural outing scroll up a

Chaselittle bit they just call it a first day scroll up the inaugural but one Shady dater you're the Shady dater one Shady dater has devised a deliciously devious trick that's sure to leave tightfisted

TTS Donationsfellas with egg on their faces wow this is quite an article oh my God Curtis Leon donated $100 ladies who would go on a date with

TTS DonationsBrian it would be a great date with a candlelight dinner at Red Lobster you bring the candles and Brian will use

TTS Donationswords like Baker's Dozen Bas Sim and chat andong I loved bohang SK party until 7

Brian Atlasam you want to increase the TTS threshold uh we'll leave it for now but if should we just shelf them till after we're done with the article um we can

Brian Atlaswe'll go around the okay he's asking would would you go on a date with me a lot of you are single so what who would go on a date with Brian raise your hand no takers I don't know you so here

Brian Atlaswe'll just no you can you can say yes or no I'm not going to be offended I on a date yeah yeah I think maybe maybe I would I

Brian Atlasdon't have any tattoos is that you don't have to okay I figure girls who like are heavily tatted or do tattoos might prefer a guy who's tattooed but she can give you some tattoos bro she can tattoo

Brian Atlasher name on your leg I'm okay with that I uh I have a lot of Nam

Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)no um if it's like friendly I guess but I guess that's not into the mic oh sorry if it's friendly you'd only be friends with him are you friend zoning him right now no

Chasenot is that a friend zone you just got friend zone rip can't win oh no oh it's all good about oh I would go on a

Brian Atlasdate with you bro let's go LG we're back yes we're so back the Bromance is real all right okay pull up the article uh uh if you want to get the

Chaserest of it yeah when man wants to go 50/50 on a date with you do this began going out Guru Pearl Bots you're a guru an aspiring singer from La in a trending

ChaseTik Tok how-to advising all the single ladies on best practices for politely jabbing a prospective partner who expects them to let's watch the video Let's just watch the video Nick if you can pull it

Pearl Botsup what an article yeah when a man wants to go 50/50 with you on a date do

Pearl Botsthis oh my God I'm so embarrassed right now um wait you wanted to just be friends I'm so confused this whole

Pearl Botsentire time I thought this was a date oh my God okay I'm so sorry here's my card here's my card and so that went viral yes it did

Chasehow viral got like 8 million views I think on Tik Tok right yeah I think it's a a man what was the uh Nick's getting the guillotine what was the uh response to

Pearl Botsit like in terms of like the comments and stuff were you getting hate were you getting support um definitely a lot of both I've gotten a lot of horrible emails lots of really D like bad DMS

Pearl Botstelling me I should do all kinds of stuff I've been called every like racial slur I've been threats like literally an insane amount of all kinds of different what's the worst thing anybody said to

Pearl Botsyou I mean I don't know if I'm even allowed to say it on here am I uh maybe don't probably it's it's pretty like not according to any kinds of guidelines anytime don't worry about it you but people have been mean a lot of like also

Brian Atlasjust like stupid you're you're the worst woman on the internet like just kind of like that's like the more tame stuff I would say what I saw though when I looked at some of the comments on the vide you do have some negative comments but it does actually seem predominantly

Pearl Botsfrom women that you actually a lot of women cosign what you said is would you agree with that a lot of women seem to agree I've been called genius a lot of times too genius okay I've also been called a philosopher o

Pearl Botsphilosop so yeah I mean a lot of positive things too but really like whenever you make any kind of content you can't take anything too seriously either from the good side or the bad

Pearl Botsside like any you just have to be yourself and people are going to comment and it's kind of cool that it you know gained a lot of traction and like cuz this kind of topic isn't necessarily the

Pearl Botsthing that I care about the most there's a lot of other things that I care about talking about the most but um you know having a bigger audience is always cool um and I do have opinions about dating

Pearl Botsand stuff so yeah have you ever pulled that move on a date uh no I've never had to like I don't really go on dates where well basically ever since I decided

Pearl Botsinternally that the energy I wanted to bring was to find the kind of person who is like a lifelong partner like somebody who could be the potential father of my children like when I had that mindset um

Pearl BotsI just brought different energy to the places I go and the men who approach me um you know if I don't Vibe with their energy then I don't go out with them the people who I do Vibe with they just don't have that kind of energy I've

Pearl Botspeople always take care of the bill I've never had that issue since I decided that um never like never since I decided oh since you decided I have I have had experiences many experiences with people

Pearl Botswho went 5050 and what I why I made this video is because when I grew in self-confidence and self-worth and because of the work that I've done on

Pearl Botsmyself because I do think that uh there are a lot of women who expect to be treated like princesses or queens or not do anything but they themselves are not doing the inner world or becoming the

Pearl Botsperson of character or becoming somebody who could attract that kind of a person but expect that kind of a treatment so I do think that there's a lot of responsibility on the woman to become like that and if you're attracting men

Pearl Botswho are wanting to split the bill with you and who are getting mad at you or whatever all these people in the comments who are like telling me I'm a horrible person or using them for their money I'm like well you're telling me we

Pearl Botswould also never I would never go out with somebody like you like your energy I probably wouldn't connect with and also this video wasn't necess necessarily supposed to be a hack or advice it was more like a skit to

Pearl Botsillustrate a point I don't really think that you should do this because I do think that it can be you know shaming towards men and I don't want to shame men at all for anything and I do think that sometimes men are overvalued for

Pearl Botstheir income just like men are women are overvalued for like their physical appearance or for sex there's there's oh did you have something I mean you said a lot of

Chasethings that actually agree with I wasn't expecting that from you oh I I I have I have not not to like not to on you or whatever I watched that video I was expecting like a serious like princess

Pearl Botscomplex and that was that was actually a pretty good answer and I think that you know we have to all take this into consideration when we're watching things on social media it's like it was a 30

Pearl Botssecond clip of like a very small piece of how I think and who I am and of course nobody is going to do all of the research go through like all of the other content that I have like nobody

Pearl Botsreally knows you and honestly like the sensationalism of this one clip has kind of made me rethink what journalism in general is about like with more serious

Pearl Botstopics if this kind of a silly video is getting blown out of proportion and like making people think all these types of things about me based off not what I said but of other people's

Pearl Botsinterpretation of it like how much more serious is our understanding of reality with like actual new moves like it I don't know caused me to reflect you know it's a good point I mean the purpose of

ChaseJournalism nowadays because of Internet advertising and generating clicks is to make things as Sensational as possible which is kind of warping our entire perspective of reality did you have I have some stuff about what you said did

TTS Donationsyou have anything you wanted to say about her there there's uh I think three other videos of yours that we thought were interesting sure worthy of being pulled up and certainly the uh grid One

TTS DonationsMotorsports donated $100 surprisingly based there question for the panel are you a feminist and if so what does that mean to you I we'll go around the table on that do you consider

Pearl Botsyourself a feminist and what does that mean to you I do consider myself a feminist um what is it what do what does

Pearl Botsthat mean a feminist to me means that it's it's a recognition that

Pearl Botsthere is inequality in the ways in which women and men are treated and that there's a history of

Pearl Botsinequality um and it's the fight to reconcile those differences not so that men and women are the same but that they're given the same

Chaseopportunities and so you think like women should be should have to register for the draft for example um cuz you believe in like equality between the Sexes so you think should women be able to be drafted for

Pearl Botsthe military um no I don't I think that there's a difference between sameness and fairness I think sameness says yes women should be drafted in the military just like men should fairness is

Pearl Botsunderstanding that women can be taken advantage in ways that men will not be taken advantage of like sexually women can be men are actually also can be just

Pearl Botstaken advantage of in that way too so that's true that's true um but given like the history of what it is to be a woman it seems like women have more when it comes to that um and women are also

Pearl Botsmore susceptible and we're also like the physically weaker sex um and so yeah and also our hormones are very different like in the way in which there's ve I

Pearl Botsdon't even know if all the women here at this table really understand like the infradian Rhythm like cuz we're not taught about our cycle and the different hormones that we go through in a 28 day cycle yes we know about our periods but we don't a lot of us are just now

Pearl Botslearning about like the follicular phase the loot phase like and how all of these different hormones affect our emotions and understanding all that like there's a lack of knowledge and understanding

Chasewhen it comes to being a woman in general so yeah okay to back up a second um with your sameness and fairness thing to be honest with you it kind of sounds to me like you want equality as long as

Chaseit's benefiting women but when it's not benefiting women and men can take the brunt of it you're like that's cool like I'm fine with that yeah how do you see that how well I mean you know if we lived in like a proper feminist world uh

Chasethere wouldn't be affirmative action initiatives to put more women in positions of uh like workplace positions and in academic positions if we had a

Chasetruly equal World women like I said would get drafted into the military like I think if if feminists want to truly fight for equality it's like put your money where your mouth is but if you only want equality when it's benefiting

TTS Donationsyou then it's not you don't actually want equality you just want a world that benefits women more often um store easy donated

TTS Donations$99 I don't understand why men are confused about playing the provider role women get pregnant and for the better part of a year they are more or less immobilized and dependent on their

TTS Donationspartner gender roles exist for a reason it's not that hard to figure if if it's too much for too long we'll boost it um I think you're about to respond thank

Chaseyou Saint to this what I just said so do you want me to specifically address it just I it just seems to me like feminists want equality where it benefits them but when it comes to actual equality like working all of

Chasethe roughest jobs in the world for example that are extremely dangerous and high risk like when it comes to those jobs feminists never want equality there they only want equality in the places where it benefits them but when men have to pick up the rest of the slack they're

Chaselike yep that's fine like we don't want equality there you go do that men you know it's like I don't I don't think you actually want equality I think you just want more benefits for women if you're

Chasedefining equality as um equal outcomes throughout Society equal outcomes throughout Society equal opportunity or no like wom talk about wanting yeah

Pearl Botswomen talk about wanting equality throughout Society but if you're I think equality is a tough term because uh if by equality you're where if you want do

Pearl Botsyou want equal opportunity instead I think I whatever you're talking about like defining equality as um do you want equality of outcome or equality of

Pearl Botsopportunity I would say that I don't think that women are fighting for uh okay so do you want equality of outcome or equality of opportunity because I'm

Chasetalking about equality of outcome but if you want what many feminists want which is equality of opportunity I guess the question I have is what opportunities do I have that you don't

Pearl Botsokay I would say that this is how I would respond to that answer I think that you

TTS Donationsknow $100 well that was shortlived men are more likely to be sick than women women have rights men do not have men have no

TTS Donationsparental rights feminism has failed you how can the patriarchy help you today if if it does it like more we'll

Pearl Botswe'll boost it go ahead okay I think that women were in a position for a very long time where we were being treated very horribly and we

Brian Atlasstill are in positions where we are treated very unfairly and very horribly well how so well well what also what evidence do you have that throughout history broadly speaking all women or most women were treated I think did you

Brian Atlassay poorly or unfairly I think she said horribly horribly yeah it's not clear to me if women were specifically because of their gender or just because they were women or happened to be women that they were treated horribly I mean there were

Chasepeople who were being burned at the stake because someone called them witch Salem witch Tri yeah like that I would say were also like men who were enslaved and forced into conried labor and military service that women were

Brian Atlasprotected from yeah I'm not saying it wasn't bad for men um but I would say that there are just yeah I think before we continue because the initial question was asking everybody if you consider

Brian Atlasyourself a feminist why don't we just go around the table get everybody's answer to that do you consider yourself a feminist and what does that mean to you yes um and to

Ava Marieme I think that means equal opportunity also outcome though right because honestly at the end of the day if a woman does want to be

Chasedrafted or does want to go fight for our country why not not let her yeah like it's not about it's not about women not being able to serve it's more that men have to register for the Selective Service and women don't have to well I

Ava Mariethink the argument is like might as well then make it equal though right because you think women should be drafted for the military in order to prove this point sure we can say that just because

Ava MarieI think that's a terrible idea I mean but the thing is your because abely not for I don't want my I don't want my daughters getting drafted wait Anatomy

Ava Mariewise like pear was saying we're born not as strong upper body wise like for example like I knew this one lady I forget her name but she was like this Catey instructor and I saw her do more

Ava Mariepush-ups than all these men that were like jacked but the way she had to work so much harder to get it like that than them cuz it is a little bit like naturally easier for a man to bulk up

Ava Mariedoing upper body stuff whatever just a little a lot right so I feel like when it comes to you're addressing a lot of physical jobs right so I feel like in

Ava Marienow flipping the script of like a lot of caregiver jobs I feel like women have and you guys can't give birth we can never give you that like as a a a thing to do like we will always be the person

Ava Marieto Bear a child and go through that and put our bodies through that so it's like at the end of the day complete equal everything is technically not possible if you're talking about physical jobs

Ava Mariephysical things because Anatomy wise genetically we are different so it's like there's only so far that argument we're going to reach a ceiling with that stuff but when it comes to opportunity

Ava Marielike and what Pearl was saying I feel like going off of that as I I'm in the music industry I go to a lot of talks I talk I see a lot of women that have

Ava Mariegained very very powerful roles in the music industry but it's like one in five on the panel where there's like an anr that's a woman and the way she explains

Ava Mariehow she got there and how she you know a lot of the time is in a room full of men and it takes a very I think well-rounded

Ava Marieeducated group of people to when a woman speaks up in the room treat her and respect her word just as much as a man I think I do see that a lot and sometimes it's subconscious as well so I think

Ava Marieit's bringing everything to a conscious state of when a woman speaks and a man speaks at an equal educational level let's say you respect both their word evenly like that is what feminism is to

Brian Atlasme and do you think that because there are you used female anr um what is that's art something repertoire something in repertoire what does that

Brian Atlasan anr works at a label and kind of like Scouts new Talent listens to music what what's it's uh what does it stand for though I think it's blank I forgot what the a stands for but it's blank and

Brian Atlasrepertoire uh do you think that this discrepancy is due to sexism um some somewhat maybe okay do you think the fact that for example

Brian Atlasthat women earn more in modeling or that women earn more in the sex work industry do you think that that's evidence of sexism against men um I mean I don't know much I don't know I mean maybe yeah and I do want to

Brian Atlasgo around the table get everyone's answer on this just to add on one thing um do you think for example women women's NBA or women's soccer the fact that they get paid less or women's tennis for example you think that's

Ava Marieunfair do do you think that that's unfair or evidence of sexism I mean I do cuz if I'm looking at the work that a person does like if like a a female soccer player why is why is she not

Brian Atlasgetting paid just as much as M you want to know the answer to that well I know let maybe we have the everyone else give their take on that but uh so here let's go around the table are you feminist what does that mean to you do what do

Jacquelineyou think about women getting paid less in the WNBA soccer athletic fields Etc um I'm not a feminist um um I definitely like more

Jacquelinetraditional based um but I guess for me I think in today's world like uh men just like they want that kind of woman without being like the type of man that

Jacquelinedeserves that kind of woman right it's like if you want me to rub your feet make your food wash your clothes all that stuff but yet you're not providing for me you're not even giving me like

Jacquelineyou're you're not even making me a priority right so I don't know I guess I feel like that part is like lost on I don't know this generation you want a traditional world where women can be traditional and the men are also

Jacquelinetraditional and they're actually living up to those values definitely like if I had a man that was actually living up to those values I would not a dude who's like afraid to go into the dispensary iar he he's not a bad guy

Jacquelinehe's not he's yeah just different personalities but yeah okay yeah but a feminist is someone I think who believes in women's rights and um and really advocates for them right I'm just

Jacquelineunfortunately don't I I wouldn't consider myself one and I think that the WNBA don't get it because it's like views right like there's way more views for the MBA so it's like the money that

Kyliepeople are putting into it it's like not as much yeah okay would you consider yourself a feminist I don't think I would consider myself a feminist I

Kyliesupport women um but I guess I just don't identify with the current feminist values why is that um I feel

Kylielike modern feminism I mean I'm totally cool not getting drafted I don't I don't want to get drafted as you should be I do not

Kyliewant to I'm okay with not being completely equal y I think it works out better yeah it's good for a society to protect its women from War I think so yeah um we shouldn't send them into the

Chasemeat grinder I don't I don't want to go I think that's totally fair and reasonable as well but again they want to go to war

Kyliethough that's not always I'm kidding um but yeah I I support women um but I'm cool not being totally

Alicompletely like equal okay that's that's fine with me cool how about yourself do you consider yourself a feminist I'm going to preface this by saying that I am not educated in the matter but I am I

Aliam more like jacine where I'm very traditional I am also which is kind of like contradictory I'm also very independent like I have my own full-time job I don't

Alineed a man to rely on for um you know money or anything but also at the same time I'm just very I grew up traditional so I don't know anything else to be

Tiffanyquite honest sweet cool how about yourself I'm not a feminist I do believe in equal opportunity but I don't think that it makes sense for us to Advocate that advocate for that in today's

Chasesociety why why are you not a feminist women already have all the opportunities men have do you feel like feminism was like a healthy movement do you feel like it's become unhealthy at this point yeah it's toxic why is it toxic because it's

Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)making men feminine and women masculine so true so true how about yourself um I don't think I'm a feminist but um I I wouldn't consider myself like

Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)traditional because I wouldn't want to stay home I think like both genders should have like kind of like if if they're smart and if they're really good at like coding for example then I think they should get into coding but I don't think if you're speaking to the mic a

Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)little bit more if you're like not qualified for the job I don't think you should be selected just because you're like a woman or like man so you feel like if a woman's qualified for a job she should be able to get it yeah if if she's actually qualified do do you

Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)intend on having a family someday yeah of course do you want to have kids yeah would you want to keep working while you're pregnant and stuff well I'm I code I can just code at home okay cool

Emily/Jackie (mixed)how about yourself Emily feminist um no I wouldn't consider myself a feminist I I don't really like the new wave I mean people talk about like third wave fourth wave feminism there's just like too many

Emily/Jackie (mixed)I feel like women already have all of the equal opportunity that we need and that we wanted um but now it's begun to like take this sort of turn where it's

Emily/Jackie (mixed)like we want to support all women but it's not women were always supporting so I would say um I'd rather protect women and no I don't want to get drafted so what do you what do you mean it's not

Chasealways women who you're supporting Emily um so I'd say I see more are you telling me it hurts women for trans women to go into their bathrooms is that what you're telling me right now yeah I think it

Emily/Jackie (mixed)hurts women for feminists to support that movement because you're putting women in an unsafe situation nine times out of 10 um and yeah most most often than not I see the feminist supporting

Emily/Jackie (mixed)that kind of thing so I wouldn't really identify myself with that are you telling me that feminism has gone way too far yeah it's not even like the same thing it was back in the 60s or anything are you telling me it's lowy destroying

Chaseour modern world I think you're pretty Bas yeah we're back we're back where do you want to take it from there uh let's

Brian Atlassee well that was the chat so there was you want to talk about why WNBA players I need to give these here maybe you guys can pass these down to give one to Tiffany and give one to uh

TTS Donationsanonymous9 boerse you're causing mm to flare up that or it's the vaccine change your shirt so you don't have a floating head on the background bring like I look

Chaselike I'm blending I'm like camouflage right now wear an orange jumpsuit Jesus is the way all right sorry for causing your tism to act up Anonymous anyways uh to go back to the WNBA thing this your

Chaseposition is one that I've heard many many any women say and especially like you can look at the women's soccer team the national women's soccer team for the USA they're always like talking about how unfair it is that they get paid less

Chasemoney the reason why it's like that is because Sports and sports broadcasting is a business and the reality is far less people want to watch women play

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