She Wants A Traditional Man But WILL NOT Take Husbands Last Name?! | Dating Talk #117

Date: 2023-11-13

Duration: 5h 53m

Guests

Brian Atlas

JJacqueline (DT117)>

KKylie (DT117)>

JJackie (DT117)>

EEmily (DT117)>

CChase (DT118)>

TTiffany (DT117)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Ava Marie(guest)

SPEAKER_03Tiffany(guest)

SPEAKER_04Ali(guest)

SPEAKER_05Pearl Bots(guest)

SPEAKER_06Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Chase(host)

SPEAKER_11Emily/Jackie (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Jacqueline(guest)

SPEAKER_14Kylie(guest)

Key Moments

QuotePearl Bots introduces herself and describes going viral for TikTok about shaming men who split the bill.

“my name is Pearl Bots I'm 31 and I'm a singer songwriter and content creator”

QuotePearl argues that the viral TikTok was a skit to illustrate a point, not actual advice, and criticizes sensationalist journalism for misrepresenting her views.

“it was a 30 second clip of like a very small piece of how I think and who I am”

QuoteBrian challenges Pearl: she wants a traditional man who pays and leads but won't take his last name. Pearl says she hasn't met a man worthy of it yet.

“I haven't met a man who is worthy of me taking [his last name]”

QuoteChase responds that a high-value man would not want to marry a woman who won't take his last name.

“why would a high value man want to marry a woman who won't even take his last name”

QuotePearl rates herself a 10/10 on looks, arguing that perceiving yourself as a 10 helps you actually become more physically beautiful through higher self-standards.

“10... I think that my looks have grown as my self worth has grown”

ControversyBrian challenges Pearl and another guest who rated themselves 10/10, saying they overrated themselves. Ava pushes back, calling it ridiculous.

“y'all overrated yourselves a lot”

QuotePearl defends her 10/10 self-rating by explaining it as a mindset tool that leads to actual self-improvement and attracting better energy.

“if I perceive myself as a 10 then I push myself to get to those standards every day”

QuoteKylie shares the story of her first love at 19: a meth/heroin addict who led her on while seeing his ex, and who she visited in jail.

“he was addicted to drugs... he was messing around with me the whole time and seeing his ex-girlfriend”

QuoteJacqueline expresses frustration at the double standard on body counts, arguing men have no right to judge women when their own counts are higher.

“who the f*** are you to tell me or judge me on my body count when your body count is probably 10 times higher”

QuoteChase explains why the body count double standard exists: women can get sex easily, men must become exceptional to achieve the same. A high body count in a woman raises questions about self-control and faithfulness.

“if a woman wants to rack up a very high body count all she has to do is open her legs; if a guy wants to sleep with 100 women he has to become an absolute stud”

QuoteJacqueline calls out a TTS donor who criticized her looks, saying 'who are you to call anyone' and looking at his appearance.

“women look at what he looks like like look at you you are so ugly like who are you to call anyone”

Topics Discussed

Introductions and relationship status round

Guests introduce themselves (name, age, occupation) and describe current relationship status, recent breakups, and longest relationships.

Pearl Bots viral TikTok: shaming men who split the bill

Reaction to Pearl Bots' viral TikTok (~8M views) and NY Post article about using a trick to shame men who want to go 50/50 on dates. Discussion of whether men should pay for first dates, Pearl clarifies it was a skit/illustrative video, not advice. Led to broader debate about gender roles, feminism, and courtship norms.

Feminism debate: definitions, equality, gender roles

Whether guests consider themselves feminists and what that means. Debate about equality of opportunity vs. equality of outcome. Whether feminists truly want equality (draft, dangerous jobs). Pearl, Ava, and others articulate varying positions. Brian and Chase push back on inconsistencies.

Marriage, no-fault divorce, and state vs. biblical covenant

Brian argues no informed man should sign the marriage contract because women overwhelmingly initiate divorce and are rewarded for breaking the contract. Chase discusses history of fault-based divorce. Viewer donation about eliminating no-fault divorce.

Pearl Bots additional viral videos: feminine energy and traditional relationships

Reaction to Pearl's other viral TikToks about transitioning to feminine energy and soft girl era, wanting to be led by a man. Discussion about the tension between hyper-independence and femininity. Brian challenges Pearl on consistency between feminist identity and traditional relationship preferences.

Traditional man vs. taking husband's last name

Pearl says she wants a traditional man but is unsure about taking husband's last name. Brian and Chase press her on the contradiction: wanting a man who leads and provides but not wanting to take his last name. Pearl eventually says she's open to it if he's the right man.

Requirements in a partner and what women bring to the table

Discussion of what women offer beyond physical appearance and sex. Pearl talks about feminine energy as value-add for men. Brian and Chase debate whether high-value women need to offer more than what average women offer.

Self-rating of looks (1-10)

Guests rate their own physical appearance. Two guests rate themselves 10/10. Brian says most overrated themselves. Debate about objectivity in beauty standards, self-confidence vs. delusion, and how overestimating looks leads women to pursue men out of their league.

Kylie's dating story: first love, drug addict, criminal history

Kylie shares story of her first love at age 19 (newly sober) — a meth/heroin addict who led her on while secretly seeing his ex-girlfriend. She visited him in jail. Discussion of bad boy attraction, why women are drawn to men with dangerous/criminal vibes, and whether this is self-sabotaging.

Body counts and double standards

Whether body count matters, the double standard (men revered vs. women shamed), and why the double standard exists (differential ease of getting sex). Jacqueline expresses frustration. Chase and Brian explain biological/evolutionary reasoning. Guests share their counts. Jacqueline: 15. Tiffany: 0. Kylie: not disclosed. Emily: not disclosed. Chase: 8 (referenced from prior episode).

Transcript

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Kylieteachable okay I would but I don't know if I would find myself attracted to a virgin okay um I Would by the way just letting

Brian Atlasyou guys know since I'm going around the table you guys can preemptively you know we don't need like a 5-second pause but go ahead go

Aliahead um I would because I'd be marrying for love not for the sex I prefer AV verion uh I I don't really care I look

Chasefor other qualities yeah I would do it Chase what about you yeah definitely I mean you can if you're a man and you have strong frame and your woman desires you like you can teach her how to have great sex with you and if she really

Chasedesires you it's probably going to unfold like that there's a there's a direct correlation between the enjoyment of sex and how how much desire your partner has for you I would I would definitely go with a virgin prefer I'd

Brian Atlasprefer a virgin or just like low body count I mean I I don't need the girl to be a virgin but low body count is definitely uh preferable for sure you don't want to get married do you I heard you say that on another show that you

Brian Atlasdon't want to get married may you know listen could I meet the right girl who could con convince me she's just amazing it's possible it's not possible

Brian Atlasit's possible to convince a man no it's possible now I could have a monogamous lifelong partner but I think uh and I don't want to get in I just because

Brian Atlaswe're we don't have a bunch of time and I I want to get through a bunch of notes but uh I do think there are some valid reasons why um marriage is not a great move from a religious perspective fantastic

Brian Atlasbut the the issue is when it comes to marriage the the state oversees your marriage not your religion really so if and also when your wife if she so

Brian Atlaschooses to divorce you she's not going to go to the church she's going to go to the state to get alimony to get XYZ to get community property to get half the

Brian Atlashouse to get half the assets she'll go to the state not the church so for that reason if if the state was not so heavily involved in the Affairs of

Brian Atlasromance and love and marriage I might be more inclined to do it prenup prenups frequently get challenged and thrown out and sometimes deemed unenforceable for a

Brian Atlasvariety of reasons prenups are only as if a woman is motivated enough she can try to get out of a prup you had some evil women have you it's not it's not I'm just a practical person who sees the

Brian Atlasreality of the uh family court system the bias against men in the family court system divorce laws Etc it's not so I have a question if you did have a

Emily/Jackie (mixed)lifelong monogamous partner and she stayed at home for you and um would you set something up for her in case you guys separated and she would have like money after that like a week a monthly

Emily/Jackie (mixed)um check because like if you're not marrying her but she's expected to sacrifice years of her career to be at home with you what is she if she's not getting marriage in return how is she going to be prod within the traditional

Brian AtlasParadigm of that there there certainly is a case to be made for alimony being justified if she has genuinely sacrificed her career to be a stay-at-home mother she has made

Brian Atlassacrifices in the pursuit of a career and having children and if I were to leave her then that would present to her some substantial financial burden there

Brian Atlasthere are some very legitimate rational reasons for alimony being justified what I don't like however is the state coming in and saying well okay you're a really

Brian Atlashigh earning man therefore you need to be paying your wife six figures a month because you earn this much uh I don't think a woman is entitled to continuity

Brian Atlasinto lifestyle at the breakdown of the relationship I think there ought to be some degree of limit on the like these celebrities that get divorced you know how you get continuity in your

Brian Atlaslifestyle by staying with that person now granted husbands I suppose could be the initiators of divorce or be abusive where it's just so warranted that the woman initiates the divorce

Brian Atlashowever I don't think that's really frequently the case and the fact of the matter is women overwhelmingly are the ones who are initiating divorces 80% of divorces are initiated by women so

Brian Atlasthere's going to have to be some sort of rewriting of these alony laws uh to make it a bit more Equitable let's say so you would

Chaserewrite the alony law like what you didn't specifically you want do you want like outside of marriage do you want a lifetime partner like that oh yeah definitely to have kids with and stuff yeah have kids I'm yeah kids we can do

Chasekids she she is she does raise an interesting point CU I mean you you know if a woman is your stay-at-home wife and all that kind of stuff stay-at home mom she would she would be totally dependent on you and out of curiosity like how

Chasewould you give her Security in that kind of situation without a ring how would I give her Security in that how could you guarantee her security because she's she's raising the excellent point like if at some point in

Brian Atlastime you hypothetically were like you know what I'm over it I want to go be with some other chick like she'd be screwed you know that's that's a fair point so that's a fair point well I mean I would argue that you know child support could potentially come in and

Brian Atlaschild support even if you're not married uh they can claw quite a bit of you know in that case um look I think there ought to be a a a healthy balance and when it comes to these sorts of laws when it

Chasecomes to alimony and I just I don't see it with the current marriage laws that there are I'm not trying to convince you to get married I'm just I'm I'm I think it's a great question that you brought up because you know you're like you've said many times you're a businessman I'm

Chasea businessman you're a businessman I don't sign contracts uh that that don't benefit me yeah you want you want a good deal but I'm I'm I'm trying to look at it like okay what if what if I was a woman and I wanted to be with Brian it'd

Chasebe a freaking bad deal to like to to invest my life with no security guaranteed from you that's a pretty bad deal for a woman it's a great deal

Chasefantastic deal let me tell you why it's a great deal here here's a de shares maybe besides getting to be with you fo in your company maybe very very risky

Chasefor her not that risky very it's like it's like you're spitting on your hand and you're shaking hers and you're like I'll never leave you don't worry believe but that's the same thing with marriage though no no that's the exact same thing with

Chasemarriage do you know how much a divorce costs though what you're not just saying this I'm leav I I see what you're saying I see what you're saying it's not the exact same thing with marriage because like there is like it's you go

Chasethrough a whole process there's a ceremony like there's a societal expectation like part of you know part of why it's shameful to divorce is because you're making these vows in front of everybody that you know hey I'm going to be faithful to you you're going

Chaseto be faithful to me and then there's social shame associated with breaking that so it's not exactly the same as like getting married I mean I'm describing basically just a verbal agreement and a handshake hey yeah we'll

Brian Atlasbe together for life and then I mean the woman's like okay I I hope he means it you know yeah that's that's freaking risky bro sure and I I would argue that

Brian Atlasin the past this wasn't so much a concern because we had a better social fabric people more were I mean there was far less divorce historically um now we

Brian Atlassee the divorce rate is is crazy women overwhelmingly are the ones to initiate divorce that's why from a male perspective I have far greater concerns

Brian Atlasand worries when it comes to potential divorce than than perhaps I could have expected 50 60 70 80 100 plus years ago

Brian Atlasum also I would say that the the family court system is very gynocentric there's bias against men in the court system yeah that's true so it's just look

Chaseyou know what I think you should do just become I think no I think you should be the man of God that you say the are okay go find a good woman and be the social

Brian Atlasfabric that you want to see in the world Brian no I look the nuclear family great kids marriage religious marriage great but again we have the state we have the

Brian Atlasthis court system yeah no I see your point and look dangerous and and here's the thing right especially in California especially in California what are the vows that they say till death do us part uh that has to mean

Brian Atlassomething till death do us part if I were to get married to a girl that shit's for Life there ain't no there is no divorce but there is but there's not but there is I wouldn't get divorced you

Chaseremember when we had this conversation with Deborah and Sam and gorlock yeah yeah I dude I looked at and we were talking about like you you made the claim that uh Christian marriages like still had super high failure rates dude

ChaseI so I looked this up I started I started dat families that regularly go to church together and read the Bible and PR together the divorce rate is less than

TTS Donations1% yeah Chase can I ask you a question what's up so I said I watched the show and I watched theota CA donated

TTS Donations$99 hello Jeff I'm a 27-year-old Christian and my life three chats are coming in you beautiful and interesting and I'd like to get to know you sometime

TTS DonationsI'm not much of a social media person so feel free to text me at that's the number thank you go watch it compliments thank you

TTS Donationsvery much nice of you see if he's legit that might be your hand right there Raven DT donated $100 in Judaism there's a marriage

TTS Donationscontract called a ker bar it requires a groom to provide for his bride on their wedding day intended to protect the woman primarily by establishing the man's Financial Obligations to her in

Brian Atlascase of divorce or his death all right Raven DT thank you thank you interesting eliminate no fault divor oh this one's coming we got one coming in from Nasha

TTS DonationsNabu that's coming in here nashun Abu donated $99 you app eliminates no fault divorce if the Man Cheats she can divorce and get Aly money

TTS Donationsif she cheats and he's the bread winner he can divorce her and she loses any chance of alamon if he beats her she can divorce and get alimony I age with that look I think from a guy's perspective when it comes to marriage and I don't

Brian Atlaswant to linger on it too long because I do have a lot of notes I got to get through women overwhelmingly initiate breakups initiate divorce so my view is you never sign a contract with someone who is rewarded for breaking it I think

Brian Atlasno San informed man ought to sign that contract the problem the problem with sort of these like views on marriage is they feel to ra the state and I already I think I already said this the state

Brian Atlaspresides over the marriage not the biblical values or your religion so when the woman is unhappy she's going to go to the state not God and I think that's primarily where I have an issue um I want to add something really quick

Chasethough really quick just cuz I really got it it it'll be super quick before no no fa divorce if you wanted to get a divorce in the United States this was like early 1900s if a woman or a man wanted to divorce their spouse they had

Chaseto build a case for why it was justifiable and then provide evidence for that in court that you couldn't just divorce somebody like that like I wish we still had that kind of society okay

Brian Atlasall right um let's see while we uh let's pull up the two more videos from her Nick we'll just do them right after the other go ahead oh also before we before we play it I'm going to do a pause on

Pearl Botsthe TTS I I know we say instant but I just want to get through this next section go ahead first of all I think that being single is not an insult just because

Pearl Botsyou're single doesn't mean that you're not desirable but I don't want just a boyfriend I want to weed out all of the men who don't understand what feminine

Pearl Botsenergy can do for their life all of these men who are saying what do you bring to the table haven't experienced goddess Queen energy a king will know

Pearl Botsthat a woman in her true femininity adds so much more value to a man than any amount of money ever

Unknowncould next one I like her videos lead me when I'm in the mood to

Unknownbe led I want leadership but don't just like boss me around you know like Lead

UnknownMe lead me when I'm in the mood to be led I want leadership but

Pearl Botsdon't is that kind of like fous or pretty accurate what you say um I mean the caption was you're transitioning into like your feminine era your soft girl era so you're like lead me so it's

Chaselike it's a joke yeah okay it's a joke it's that clip of Ryan from the office right it is yeah which is also factious it's the office got it okay but there's a there's a kernel of Truth in the sentiment yeah the kernel of Truth is

Pearl Botsthat it's a struggle to go from being hyper independent into being into your feminine energy that's the truth for me that's understandable I think a lot of women struggle with that it's hard to let go because you also are like I've

Pearl Botsseen all these boys who aren't in their masculine and then once you like step into your feminine then you attract different kind of energy but the the any kind of transition is always hard so

Chaseyeah I think a lot of women struggle with that because of uh feminism the residue of feminism and how it conditions women a lot of women have like just tremendous resistance to the idea of like submitting to a man

Chasesubmitting to a man's leadership really at the end of the day goddess Queen energy I mean even the word Queen it implies that you have a king and at the end of the day the king say is the king say you know what I mean

Chasenow that doesn't mean that he wouldn't consult his Queen but uh I wish you success in making that transition into your soft girl era because the kind of

Chasemen that you want like women that are easily LED so to speak mhm you know I have been successful in so yeah it's

Brian Atlasbeen good um in the second video we reacted to um you that's the one where you were talking about basically essentially the patriarchy that I think

Brian Atlasmen have it easier dis women are disadvantaged it's a man's world uh in the description of that you say that equality is not samess it's fairness the sexy and fair thing to do is for the man

Brian Atlasto pick up the tab ladies do not settle for less we teach people how to treat us that is accurate right that's what you said and so I if I recall did you

Brian Atlassay that you consider yourself a feminist yes I do so I guess my question to you is how do you reconcile being a feminist believing in gender equality

Brian Atlasdoing away with gender roles I I'm not sure if you believe in those but so how do you reconcile being a feminist but also demanding that men pay for first

Pearl Botsdats um I think that you don't have to be on one side like one extreme side or The Other Extreme side just like in politics like you don't have to be like

Pearl BotsUltra liberal or Ultra conservative like you can kind of figure out the values that you believe in and believe in those values and I wasn't I didn't really I

Pearl Botswas like more in my like masculine more hyper uh independent era and then as I became someone who like the things that I wanted in life shifted I'm like oh I actually do want a lifelong partner and

Pearl Botshow do I get the kind I just through contemplation not through any TR I'm not looking to tradition I'm not looking to now I'm just thinking about what do I want what

Pearl Botskind of person do I want to attract and through that is where I got my values of like oh I'm like creating this space where men don't get to like feel like

Pearl Botsthey're the the hero like feel like they're leading and I'm like I do want a man like that so that means I need to take a step back it has nothing to do with tradition or feminism like I'm just like that's the that's what I want to do

Pearl BotsI don't care if it's tradition if it if it's a traditional value I don't care if it's a modern value that's just what I want so I'm going to act accordingly so but do you believe in gender

Pearl Botsequality um I Believe In fairness I'm not totally following yeah fa I think that why would it be unfair

Pearl Botsto go 50/50 um it's technically you're doing the same thing but in the Rel relationship that I want I don't want to do that so don't want fairness in your

Emily/Jackie (mixed)relationship it's okay to say that that you don't want fairness relationship I want Fair that's the same thing they they mean honestly the same thing you don't want to pay 50/50 which is valid I I don't want to either but that's yeah

Emily/Jackie (mixed)they're I think it's the same thing because if you were to be equal then you would have to pay 50/50 and I'm just yeah I think we're arguing semantics does interest me the words mean the same

Pearl Botsthing but I mean do you do you believe in gender equality um yes do you believe I don't believe that the gender I don't believe that men and women should do the

Pearl Botssame things but I think uh well okay but I think that women should have the opportunity to do what they want to do

Pearl Botsshould men if they want to go 50 if they want to go 50/50 then go 5050 I don't give a what you do like that's just what I want well I guess just as a feminist

Brian AtlasI like I I guess where I'm struggling is why do you support a rather patriarchal traditional belief of men paying for a woman's time I don't believe that it is a patriarchal belief I think it's based

Pearl Botsoff energy based off energy the patriarchy I think says a woman has to do this she should do this I'm saying you can I would disagree as the

Chasepatriarchy spokesperson on the whatever podcast the patriarchy says it's good for a woman to do this this and a woman ought to do this it's not a woman has to do this it's it's good for a woman to do

Brian Atlasthis it's in alignment with her nature and a man's nature yeah therefore she ought to yeah I mean I think that official statement from the patriarchy oh okay so I I don't know I just feel

Brian Atlaslike part of feminism is challenging gender roles but let me ask you a couple questions so um will you take your husband's last name um I'm not sure what she wants a

Chaseguy to pay you want him to feel like the hero in your life and you won't even take you're not proud to take your Man's last name I haven't met a man who is worthy of me taking he would be your husband this would be the guy who you

Chasewill marry I don't know it depends what his last name is if it's like really holy smokes why would a high value man want to woman marry a woman who won't even take his last name why would any man want that I don't really that's like

Pearl Botsthe most humiliating thing in the world I didn't realize that it was so humiliating I mean I would I'm definitely open to having a discussion with the man that I fall in love with I don't think that like me and you would be a match I don't think that you and I would be a match and that's totally fine

Pearl Botsif I meet a man who is my match and he like is like this is so important to me like this is what it would mean to me I'm open to having that discussion with him but you said if his name is kind of

Chaseweird that that seems like a very arbitrary reason to not want to take if I knew if I knew that a woman was not interested in taking a Man's

Pearl Botslast name I would not even offer to take her on a a date in the first place well luckily you're not offering to take me on a date so that's correct but just just generally speaking I don't want to find a man like you so I think we're

Chasegood just generally speaking though like like you have to understand it's I understand that men like you want that yeah I mean any traditional guy who's

Chaselike feeling even a remotely patriarchal role hold on please let me finish any traditional guy who's filling even a remotely patriarchal role that you're describing like is going to want a woman

Brian Atlaswho would be proud to take his last name that's like a given I just I don't see like you want the guy to pay for the first date you don't want a 50-50 relationship but like

Brian Atlasthe most basic thing yeah the most it seems like look if if as a guy you want to like do the 50/50 thing with your girl then maybe in that scenario you should go in expecting hey she might

Brian Atlaswant to hyphenate she might not want to take my last name but you have in the same way that I was talking in the same way that I was talking earlier about well what does the guy that you want what does he want and the guy that you

Brian Atlaswant who wants to be that masculine guy who wants to be a leader who wants to pay for the first dates not do 50/50 I would assume that he's going to also be the type of guy that wants you to take his last name I don't think some of

Chasethese things are super you know what I would do if I was on a date with a girl and she told me she wouldn't date you no no I know you know that's she's made that clear finds me horrible but like I never said that if if I said we're not a

Chasematch if that's fair that's fair that's fair if I was on a date with a girl you would I hope I hope you'll appreciate this if I was on a date with a first date with a girl and halfway

Chasethrough the date she told me you know what I'm not interested in taking a Man's last name when I marry him no what I would say is oh I'm sorry I didn't

Unknownrealize we were going on this date as friends oh okay thanks thanks for telling me let's let's split let's split the bill to be

Pearl Botsto be fair like I am transitioning into this maybe as I date wa you're transitioning I'm transitioning oh sorry sorry into being more in my feminine era

Pearl Botsand I'm exploring this apart I'm exploring this apart from tradition I'm not thinking about any values that anyone's taught me I'm not thinking about societal standards I'm thinking about what do I want what kind of energy

Pearl Botsdo I want to invite in my life let me finish okay and so as I continue to explore this as I've gotten more clear with my values I've had a shift I'm like oh maybe I need to do this differently

Pearl Botspotentially maybe that is something that I will have a change of mind I am in a transition I understand I don't understand the male perspective when it comes to that and I've never been even close to like wanting to take a Man's

Pearl Botslast name so I'm I'm open to having my mind shift about this um and I don't think that you guys should like shame me for being in a space where I'm figuring it out but you shame you seem so solid

Brian Atlason what the expectations of men are but you don't seem to be very privy to thatp what that type of man wants and you also shame men she's still figuring know I

Brian Atlasdon't think she understands kind of man she's looking for she's figured out what she wants but she hasn't figured out what the man that she wants wants yes that's correct but if you want that kind

Brian Atlasof treatment then you got to come correct on your end too let me tell you what I want what do you want Chase tell us what you want I'll tell I'll tell you what I want I want I hope that you find

Chasethe kind of guy that your heart desires and that he's the kind of man where you look at him and you're like you know what I want like I want to take your last name you are my freaking hero I hope you find that guy great me too yeah

Brian Atlasif I find that man and that's what he really wants then great Nick if you can pull up that video there was a video where we reacted to recently and then in the past it's this Progressive woman who's in a car and she's saying I can't do you know what the video I'm talking

Pearl Botsabout Nick Progressive woman wants I hope by the you find him too that you're ready for him I will be ready when I find him that's the only

Brian Atlastime that's the only reason you put together I got another question um will your husband be the head of the household what does that mean he is the leader and the authority in the home like he gets final say on everything

Chasewhatever doesn't mean he's a tyrant but if there's an important decision that needs to be made his final word is the word that goes um his final word so if we disagreed on

Pearl Botssomething so we're talking about something homeschooling let's say you're having a debate right okay so let's homeschool our children I'm like I don't want to have a time cuz I have to do these performances I'm doing my music

Pearl Botswhatever I don't have time to H school or whatever sure and would I say would I like just let him say no this is why d da da da and then be like okay sure is that what you're asking if I would do I feel like that's a bad example cuz you

Chaseguys you would probably never end up with a guy who wanted to do school if you want to perform while you're in marriage and having a family let's say um moving somewhere let's say you want

Chaseto move to Montana but he feels it's really important to move to Utah instead just hypothetically speaking and he's like hey babe I have X Y and Z reasons this is really important and you're like no I want to move to Montana instead and

Pearl Botshe's like babe I need you on board we need to move to Utah yeah would you acqu yes would you submit to that I think this kind of a situation is difficult to say what I would do because it's

Pearl Botsextremely hypothetical but I will say in a hypothetical situation say I meet the man I'm like oh my God give me your last name we have kids whatever our values

Pearl Botsand our vision are aligned I don't feel like I have to give up a part of myself because we're together like I'm supporting his vision and he is supporting mind because they're the same vision we have the same vision for our

Emily/Jackie (mixed)family yeah yeah I I was just going to say I think someone has to lead though right like there's it's usually one person in Le that's why when you file taxes there's a head of the household so there's never just a part like even

Emily/Jackie (mixed)though it's a partnership one person takes the lead and it's generally the man which is why he's asking if being the head of the household and then the homeschooling kids was a bad example cuz like like you said you would to be a

Brian Atlastraditional feminine woman like working a career while raising children at the same time wouldn't okay here I'll just say it our child has come to us confused because they've been schooled publicly I'm I'm going to reduce I'm

Brian Atlaswe're going to take out the homeschooling component of it our child comes home confused we have a biological son he's thinking oh the might be a

Brian Atlaswoman I'm here saying no we're not going to put our son on puberty blockers we're not going to put him on

Brian Atlasdrugs we're not going to do of that stuff if as he at 18 if he just won't listen to us and he can make those

Brian Atlasdecisions once he's reached a majority of age if he wants to do that he can but we are not I'm not going to allow my child to do this would you I feel like

Chasethis isn't a great this isn't a great example either no I mean it's important though because happens in households in America men need to think about this like this is why this is why I don't

Brian Atlasknow if it's a good example but like would you defer would you defer to me saying no we're not going to do this or or or or even uh uh to simplify it even

Chasefurther you want your kid to go to public school your husband's like no we need to spend more money to go to private school but you're like I'd rather save that money so we can buy like whatever you know you have a different Financial goal he's like no like he needs to not go to public school

Chasecuz they're indoctrinating children would you agree to that like if he's paying for the private school sure okay all right here let me move on let me move there's one there's one last aspect of this that I think is like worth calling attention to it's like you're

Chaseyou're saying like no I don't want patriarchy but also at the same time you're saying I want to fully step into my queen goddess energy but being a queen to the kind of man that you're describing implies a king and that is a

Chasepatriarchal structure and if you want a king a man who's truly embodying King energy if you want him to step into that role he's going to expect that you will submit as his Queen now that doesn't mean that he'll boss you around as his

Pearl Botsslave but like a queen is subordinate to the king you know I mean I think that the word submit has a lot of uh baggage

Pearl Botswith it f of of men like because I've been in households and I know many men who abuse their Authority and say submit

Pearl Botsto me they don't they don't submission is given not taken but uh right so that's just abuse that's not yeah no and I think a lot of people say the word submit but what they mean is abuse so

Brian Atlasthat's what I'm against like I don't know about no I think we're pretty confident in what we mean by like AB I'm not saying you guys I'm just saying in general I do need to move this on a little bit but let me get these since

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Brian Atlasshould walk with Christ you do not need religion to be a good wife all right thank you grid one appreciate it great great comment got another one coming in from grid One Motorsports here in just

Brian Atlasoh hold on without here I'll I guess this is I'll re-trigger it when she's back that's annoying but um here I'll just read let me see I had a couple

Brian Atlasnotes Here ah she's gone some of this applies to her I don't know but um let's see it's such a good point though like the idea of having a ship without a captain or having a ship with two

TTS Donationscaptains it's not going to work it's not going to work it's not going to work can't work cannot work let's see Captain first mate uh okay we got through oh we

TTS Donationshave one oh okay UND donated $100 since we are on hypotheticals Brian if you w to prison for life no chance of parole and the governor said he may

TTS Donationspardon you if you participate in a naked human pyramid with 15es would you do it Kiko is the very

Brian Atlaswhat uh such a funny for life would you do it bro prison for life and I get a

TTS Donationspardon yeah I'm yes modest donated $11 you know Chase just when I think you couldn't possibly be any Dumber you go

TTS Donationsand do something like this and totally redeem yourself imagine thinking submission is abuse WTF ladies oh it's uh it's a Dumb and Dumber

Brian Atlasreference appreciate that bro modest jaama much appreciated thank you may thank you sir I respect the reference

TTS Donationsdude GD One Motorsports donated $99 huh copy Kiko please do not marry a man who would accept you the way you are now you will ruin each other's lives

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Brian Atlasspokesperson for the patriarchy hey guys I'm going just so I can get through I'm going to M uh mute the TTS we'll get to it uh later on in the show so uh yeah uh

Brian Atlasoh yeah twitch really quick guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a follow drop us a prime sub twitch tv/ whatever Pub test thank for the gifts Nike thank for the prime uh Ry thank for the prime Rena thank for the prime melons thank

Brian Atlasfor the prime Ram thank for the prime gaming thank you for the prime Robin thank you for the tier one why kick of mukow thank you for the prime appreciate

Brian Atlasit man um let's see here we had one last thing on this uh I would say that I don't know if you want your man to be a gentleman sh is

Brian Atlastraditional but if you're you're not willing to give back Traditional Values to him taking his last name it doesn't sound like Fair tradeoff well that's an interesting Super Chat speak yo AB Che

Brian Atlasthank you for the gifted 20 memberships is it muted Nick what say is it is it muted the audio oh okay um so it's just like uh

Brian Atlaslet me see I you just you cannot recoil at the very idea of gender roles but then expect men to pay because men paying is a gender rule so you can't just discard

Brian Atlasall the gender roles that have to do with you but then expect the man to still abide by every gender rule that applies to him um so I know I'll I'll

Brian Atlasend it at this I think that women want equality societally and they want tradition romantically in so far as that tradition stands to benefit them where

Brian Atlassaid tradition does not stand to benefit women they will not adhere to that specific tradition they will desire and pressure men to adhere to their traditional gender rules so they want to

Jacquelinehave their cake and eat it too basically that not paying thing or the paying thing really gets to you huh every time CU I can tell that that

Brian Atlasone really like it Ruffles your feathers yeah pull your mic just a little bit pull your mic close to the edge of the table please Bo no it doesn't it doesn't I don't how does it ruffle my feathers I

Jacquelinecould just tell cuz yeah you go back to like that like that's like the base like argument noticed the primary video that we're reacting to today but I could just tell it doesn't ruffle my Brian has a

Chasegood point though in that a lot of women almost all women want traditional behavior for men but they're not willing to live up to traditional behavior on their own side yeah you guys want but I think there's a lot of men that want

Ava Mariegood women but also won't be good and I feel like a lot of our experiences in modern day dating unfortunately aren't the best that's why only one of us is in a relationship at the moment and it's because we're dealing with men who claim

Ava Mariethey want these values that you're saying but end up doing not great stuff poin me no him cuz he says a lot of things that are good right like that you want a woman and you're a certain man and all this stuff but unfortunately

Chasethere's a lot of men who say this that aren't doing that and they're lying let me tell Ava Ava let me let me tell you something I know a lot of guys okay and

Chasethe bad boys that you guys are describing is a small minority the reality is that there are a lot of good guys out there that simply just want to

Chasefind a good woman and treat her right but most women quite frankly suck at picking dudes they pick the bad boys that don't give a damn about them because those bad boys spark their

Chasefeelings they they get you ladies feeling some type of thing and you're like oo I like how he makes me feel and then you guys get into a relationship and he cheats on you blah blah blah blah blah when all of the red flags are Pres at the beginning not but not always

Ava Mariethough and that's the thing it's not always the case and vice versa like I hate making generalizations about anything I do agree to a capacity for some for sure like there's a lot of good

Chaseguys out there and I agree most men are invisible to most women I will you proba you probably have a 500 men in your phone contacts right now that would

Chasetreat you so right if you would give them the time of day and give them the date the good in the friend zone want and I really do believe that with a very

Ava Mariedevelop like you learn from your experiences right I at least hope so I feel like as you get more confident and secure with yourself you know what you want more so and so you seek after that so you won't give these guys the time a

Ava Marieday or you'll be able to pick up the red flags quicker right but it's funny how now you see the red flags so often that it's just like wild how many people are you know trying to lie or manipulate

Ava Marieto get you in bed or do all this stuff or say all the stuff so it's just it it is a little bit more saturated at first that you have to weed through a lot of people claiming they want these values that you're saying but

Ava Mariethey genuinely don't mean it and that's why like you told her don't sleep with them right away wait a while you know cuz their true character will show people can have a good personality perfect filter like it's it women would

Ava Mariebe able to filter if women waited a few months before having sex with guys they would filter 99% of the bad dude and the thing is though but at the same time yes but also no cuz you can wait you can be

Ava Mariefriends with a guy for over a year and then decide to take it there and they end up doing the same thing so I think it's very situational it's very much about the person it's what their values are how they've been raised how they've decide you know like sure but in the

Chasecontext in the context of you know what we've been discussing which is dudes cheating being dishonest lying all that kind of stuff you're going to figure out real quick if a guy just wants sex and if he can't keep it in his pants if you

Ava Marietell him no we're not going to have sex and then he just immediately dips but a from my experience that's not what happens like that doesn't happen so you've had guys cheat on you that you've

Chasewaited to have sex with you've had guys pursue you for long periods of time and you refused to have sex with them and then after you started then they cheated on you how many times do this happen to

Ava Marieyou a lot a lot yeah I think you guys honestly just suck at picking I don't think so I think it's just like a lot of people are manipulated with this yeah no I don't really know a single woman who

Chasehasn't dealt with some sort of a horrible dating relation same with men if women if women no I'm not saying people don't deal with horrible dating situations but like yeah if you date enough guys eventually there's going to

Chasebe a guy that cheats on you but the my point is that like y'all got to improve your pool of dudes that you're picking from this is why I only talk to Christian chicks M wait one of you and one of you I I don't think we got here

Brian Atlasis it you that mentioned butterflies you had butterflies for for somebody or was it you I don't know but related to women picking not the best guys I think a lot

Brian Atlasof women are looking for the click the vibe the butterflies the spark the chemistry Etc the tingles whatever magic fireworks whatever term you

Brian Atlaswant to use um and I think the issue is is that in addition to looking for like because of women's hypergamous nature you're looking most women are all

Brian Atlaschasing after the top tier of men those men have all the options so yes they're more likely to cheat but you're you're looking let me ask the girls a question

Brian Atlasif you don't feel the qu the click with a guy pretty quickly do you just not give that guy a chance it's a good question uh like I often hear women say

Brian Atlasthe vibe has to be there there has to be a click there has to be spark chemistry electricity because I've heard women say and maybe you guys can tell me a you you

Brian Atlasagree with this you've met a guy who on paper he's fantastic good-look good job treats you well good personality but he's just missing something you just

Brian Atlasdidn't feel this click or spark or connection it's like sexual tension I've still given that person a chance okay a lot of women don't give that guy a chance and that's actually

Brian Atlasprobably the the good guy you should go for it goes back to you you say you pick terrible men you like you're attracted to bad boys and whatnot unfortunately

Brian Atlasright so that which exists in you I think exists in a lot of women you want this sort of excitement yes they do you want this excitement from a guy yes and

Brian Atlasa good guy can give you that but I think it's a a little bit harder but the guys who are bad or toxic they can definitely give you that it's like a dopamine Rush actually you're getting like an

Emily/Jackie (mixed)addictive drug response every time they do something crazy or make you wait for a response or something like that it's like feeding your your brain every time with those chemicals and with chemicals

Brian Atlasthis no chemistry he's boring I think that actually translates to he doesn't trigger your anxious trauma response which you confuse for love yeah I think he's right you should give those guys a

Ava Mariechance hon also I mean it's very situational cuz like you can give them a chance but then you realize their characters maybe not who you once thought of being good cuz also I think you're going off a very stereotypical

Ava Mariebad boy like that's like so cliche like there the guys and triggers and toxicity comes in many forms and many behaviors and so you know what I think it is sorry

Ava Marieif you want to finish and so I just feel like that's a very generalized statement cuz like yeah if you don't feel the spark right away like I speaking from personal experience I think that's a little immature I think

Ava Marieit's nice to get to know somebody and there might not be a spark right away and all this stuff but in my experience that has also not led to a genuinely truthful person even if it's been

Ava Mariewaiting a year or waiting months to be with them or whatever so it's like there are just some people who are like that you know and that just kind of is what it is this is what I think it is I'm I'm

ChaseI'm about to mansplain as the representative of the patriarchy women are just you guys are emotional creatures you know you guys feel things very intensely generally speaking when a woman meets a

Chaseguy who Sparks her emotions real strong it's like you said it's like a it's like a drug it's like woof like whoo you know if that's humor if that's confidence maybe a guy drops like you know he has

Chaselike good eye contact with you says the right thing when you guys are meeting you know shoots those butterflies through your system women feel that super intensely it's intoxicating for a woman to experience that I think given

Chasethe option between that a guy who can like Spark all those emotions versus a guy who's kind of like a bit more boring nine times out of 10 women pursue that emotional rush I think that's what drives a lot of this Behavior you know

Brian Atlasone last thing with pearl here you said some men are emotionally attracted to other men huh but sexually attracted to women and tall men are overrated okay yeah those are my hot

Brian Atlastakes some men are emotionally attracted to other men what does that mean do you detect that right here is there do you detect it here I didn't say it

Brian Atlasuh but sexually attracted okay and tall men are overrated you I don't often hear that that's an interesting I think that tall are overrated you like short dudes you like a short king um it's not that I prefer a short king or a tall person but

Pearl BotsI think that don't care I think that women overvalue height with men it's like they become blind to other stuff that's that's all that's super valid 5 six okay that's super valent yeah I mean to be fair like am I sexually attracted

Pearl Botsto someone who's very very short probably not but I think this whole like 63 and above or I won't even talk to him is Bas okay all right there we go Common Ground wa what's what are the what are the heights of the last three

Brian Atlasmen that you've been with um 58 okay 66 oh 510 okay all right so there's like a cross-section there I

Emily/Jackie (mixed)don't discriminate fairness there you go there you go all right 66 was honestly Too Tall lowkey yeah are you going to say something I do have to head out actually I was going to say traffic but

Emily/Jackie (mixed)she's late and she has to leave early I wasn't late the other time it's all good it's all good um I enjoyed the panel a lot it's very nice a Marie uh

Brian Atlasyou said that you were tricked oh sorry I'm yeah you said that you were tricked into a double date once I went on the date with a guy that told me he asks zero questions I went on a date with a

Brian Atlasguy who showed upate late and then instead of going to dinner we went to frozen yogurt and he kept going behind me in line to get topping inevitable leaving me to pay yeah that was sicke

Brian Atlassick BR that Super Chat that was there was so good I need to hear story Smo Super Chat so good I'll get it um let's see you said that being truly confident

Ava Marieand full of self- Lov can leave you alone for a long time how so because like I don't accept what I used to accept anymore right like I have learned my lessons

Ava MarieI've learned about the red flags and so I say no a lot now there's a lot of guys who asked me on dates that in the past I probably would have gone out with but I see the red flags and I'm like no like

Ava Marieyou've already said something weird you've already said something that I know what you're about and so you're alone for a very long time and especially someone who's pursuing a career very intensely I can only focus on that and if you're not adding

Ava Mariesomething truly positive and supporting and and you're not really truthful to yourself I feel like a lot of the time in the past now looking I was a mirror

Ava Mariefor many men and had them face a lot of the hypocrisies that they would tell me but then not do and I just feel like yeah I'm very confident in myself I know

Ava Mariewhat I bring to the table I know I'm genuine and true I'm very much about my word and I'm not going to be with a man who's not and I can kind of sub I can pick up the red flags now like I've

Ava Marielearned lessons so yeah have I not been going on as many dates as I used to yeah because I don't even want to do that I'm looking for someone who's genuine I want to have real conversation I really want

Ava Marieto get to know you and I really want you to care about getting to know me and know that it's not some agenda or kind of fake even though in the past I don't think it was either cuz I do think these

Ava Mariemen did care for me but it wasn't in the way I needed mhm and so yeah I feel like I'm just saying no more so that means I'm alone but I'm not lone only if that makes sense that's good I think I think

Ava Mariewomen need to get good at saying no when it comes to guys yeah and it's just about knowing your worth and like truly being confident taking time to be alone and to figure out what you want yes in

Ava Marielife in family in your partner and your friends I even know to friends too you know but definitely to relationships and dating I'll tell you one of my uh

Brian Atlasopinions on women I think being able to say no is a trait of a high value woman yeah yeah 100% based all right let's see actually let me do some chats and then I'll

Brian Atlascontinue on with my notes Here we have Jesus saved me hey thank you man I know someone who had an affair and got the woman pregnant and still did not file for divorce his wife had to file for

Brian Atlasdivorce so that is one reason why women initiating divorce is high because men will not leave even in a situation like that word thank you Jesus um damn

Brian Atlasthis is one reason why women is high because men will not leave someone who had an affair got the woman pregnant and still did not F okay it's like my biological father wow grid One Motorsports dudes will wait

Brian Atlasin the friend zone forever to get a chance to bump uglies but the guy you're dating will not wait for sex girls listen to much too much to what makes

Alithe quiver oh what excuse me quivering that was cringe what even is that I mean it's crudely put but he's right

Brian Atlasyeah no I mean I think it was you that was saying yeah there's guys even if you wait a long time I think if the context of the interaction or relationship is romantic from the jump not the case but

Brian Atlasif he's just like quietly waiting in the friend zone for his chance then certainly yeah he might just yeah women women want the romance they want the feels they want a guy who makes them

Brian Atlasfeel something you know so we have travalo smooth redhead is belond beyond dulu uh if you had multiple situ actually

Ava MarieChas could you read this yeah actually Ava how about you read it red I love how that they're all referencing me by my hair but red head is beyond delulu if you have had multiple situations where you pick trash men then you have trash

Ava Marieintuition even though intuition is BS this is why it's important to have your father brother Uncle Etc DEET men blah blah to prevent this bad ccle um first of all fantastic comment wait why are

Ava Marieyou laughing do you think it's funny or like you disagree first of all I never said I picked these men like yes eventually I did but I can honestly say

Ava Mariethat the men I'm I have been referencing on this have pursued and pursued and pursued me so intensely that I was like you know what fine we're going to go on a date and like whatever it wasn't in

Ava Marielike a creepy scary way but they were very consistent and they really said a lot and I saw also their characteristics at least for what they were pursuing they see seemed very at least mature and healthy and blah blah blah with all that

Ava Mariegoing on obviously I didn't know about the relationship stuff but my intuition is what led me to figuring out all the bad which led me to end it granted I do admit there were red flags

Ava Mariefor some of them in the beginning that now like I'm saying I have learned from now I'm saying no a lot to the things I wouldn't have before but just to clarify

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Chasedid you have a quick thing the uh travell Smooths comment he said this is why it's important to have your father brother Uncle Etc to vet men for you to prevent this bad cycle so true what if those guys are though like what if

Pearl Botsthey're bad like what if they're not good you have to hopefully you have a good helping good men vet your people is good but your father your brother those are not good men I mean it depends on

Chasethe person but if the point is that you it's good to have men St please allow me to finish my point it's important to have men that care about you in your

Chaselife who know how men are like I've had female friends throughout my life I I knew that they were with bad dudes and I can sniff how bad their dudes were from a 100 miles away it's very important to have guys like that around you in your

Brian Atlaslife that can do that for you also we need to leave at 9:45 yeah okay all right well here related to this chase you say women suck at picking dudes you're 100% right that's why arranged marriages are

Brian Atlasstandard in so many parts of the world I think this is somewhat related to trav's thing the father needs to vet potentials for this reason ladies that was why that that's how courtship has been historically a guy if a guy wanted to

Chasepursue a woman her father had to be involved then he would vet the guy cuz women generally speaking cannot vet guys properly my father would not have been a great person to vet for me though I'm sorry to

Brian Atlashear that yeah sucks if all men were good at that that be give your kids give your kids that gift by finding a great man I will all right we have Stiffler here ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 we're going to go

Brian Atlasaround the table on this go ahead 10 we're reading our own look is that what yeah yeah like objectively your looks looks looks looks

Jacquelinelooks 10 I hate this question how about

Jacquelinezero all right fine eight okay I know I hate that question why cuz it's so like shallow and stupid and would you date a

Jacquelineguy would you date a guy who's shorter than you absolutely no shorter than me I'm 5 five would you date a guy who's shorter than you yes you stop the C no

Kylieyou wouldn't you would not I don't know okay why you so shallow I don't know I would say probably s and a half to

Chaseeight um I'd say around seven eight um 6 to seven but I think seven when I

Brian Atlassmile I freaking love you so much I love uh Chase what about you seven and a half eight on a good day I give myself six

Brian Atlassix and a half on a good day I'm going to say it y'all I'm not going to rate y'all but y'all overrated yourselves a lot that's not very nice why it's

Chasejust I two tens right off the bat two off the perfect I'm not saying you guys are ugly but like gets to me when every freaking time like half the panel ra themselves 10 do you think all women

Pearl Botsshould be tens conser themselves tens no you to since you're the tens do I think that all women should consider themselves as tens looks wise looks wise

Pearl Botslooks wise um I think that how you perceive yourself is all about your selfworth and like your looks follow from that like my looks have grown as my self worth has grown so I think it's all

Pearl Botsconnected um wait your looks have grown like I feel like my looks have improved as my selfworth has improved improve your feminine energy you look more yeah like do I have more to go like yeah

Pearl Botsmaybe I could be an 11 like who knows no that's not how this works you said 10 is maxed out 10 he 10 it's a 10 out of 10 I think that every woman can get to a point where they perceive themselves as

Chasea 10 and it's a worthy goal to do yeah how do you think how do you think the average man how do you think the average man would rate you out of 10 um I'm I don't know I don't I don't know wait so

Pearl Botsbut you think all women looks is very uh subjective but so do all should all women view themselves as tens in terms of their looks physical appearance I think that every woman should work on viewing as a 10 I don't think that from the beginning maybe I don't know maybe

Pearl Botsfrom the beginning they feel like for men too for men too should for men too like should men perceive themselves as tens yeah I I don't know I can't speak for men okay um men can do whatever they

Chasewant well how would you have responded if Brian said that uh yeah I'm a a 10 uh I I would yeah because you I want who's like confident going te The Confident thing

Ava Marieand also real though but like at the same time I think there's many factors that go into ATT 10 like there no but it's just looks physical attractiveness freaking women dude I

Brian Atlasdon't know would wouldn't The Confident thing be like I acknowledge that I'm not uh amongst the most physically attractive people in the world I'm a six I'm a seven I'm confident in that I

Brian Atlasdon't feel bad about my physical appearance but I also acknowledge that I'm not on par with the most beautiful models in the entire world I'm not if you say you're a 10 that means that you

Brian Atlasview your o your own self assessment of your physical attractiveness is that I am on par with the most beautiful people in the world yeah okay it's not just I'm on par with

Chasethe most beautiful people in the world it's I am equal to the most beautiful people in the world kind I don't know why you want so badly girls to bring their numbers down because why is that

Ava Marieso it's a it's a question and for you to say that we overrated us is so ridiculous to me how's that ridiculous because you don't even think of yourself as a 10 but yeah you're trying to tell us what we are yeah because I have eyeballs and I think there's

Chasea ladies ladies the point that Brian's making is if you took a thousand men and you all lined up in front of a thousand men and then you connect you you collected each of their ratings so to speak the point that Brian's making is

Chaseyour ratings of yourselves would probably differ from a thousand men's if you took the average of all of them a thousand men's ratings yes I agree with that statement I'm not saying that I'm a 10 by the way I already answered this

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