She Wants A Traditional Man But WILL NOT Take Husbands Last Name?! | Dating Talk #117

Date: 2023-11-13

Duration: 5h 53m

Guests

Brian Atlas

JJacqueline (DT117)>

KKylie (DT117)>

JJackie (DT117)>

EEmily (DT117)>

CChase (DT118)>

TTiffany (DT117)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Ava Marie(guest)

SPEAKER_03Tiffany(guest)

SPEAKER_04Ali(guest)

SPEAKER_05Pearl Bots(guest)

SPEAKER_06Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Chase(host)

SPEAKER_11Emily/Jackie (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Jacqueline(guest)

SPEAKER_14Kylie(guest)

Key Moments

QuotePearl Bots introduces herself and describes going viral for TikTok about shaming men who split the bill.

“my name is Pearl Bots I'm 31 and I'm a singer songwriter and content creator”

QuotePearl argues that the viral TikTok was a skit to illustrate a point, not actual advice, and criticizes sensationalist journalism for misrepresenting her views.

“it was a 30 second clip of like a very small piece of how I think and who I am”

QuoteBrian challenges Pearl: she wants a traditional man who pays and leads but won't take his last name. Pearl says she hasn't met a man worthy of it yet.

“I haven't met a man who is worthy of me taking [his last name]”

QuoteChase responds that a high-value man would not want to marry a woman who won't take his last name.

“why would a high value man want to marry a woman who won't even take his last name”

QuotePearl rates herself a 10/10 on looks, arguing that perceiving yourself as a 10 helps you actually become more physically beautiful through higher self-standards.

“10... I think that my looks have grown as my self worth has grown”

ControversyBrian challenges Pearl and another guest who rated themselves 10/10, saying they overrated themselves. Ava pushes back, calling it ridiculous.

“y'all overrated yourselves a lot”

QuotePearl defends her 10/10 self-rating by explaining it as a mindset tool that leads to actual self-improvement and attracting better energy.

“if I perceive myself as a 10 then I push myself to get to those standards every day”

QuoteKylie shares the story of her first love at 19: a meth/heroin addict who led her on while seeing his ex, and who she visited in jail.

“he was addicted to drugs... he was messing around with me the whole time and seeing his ex-girlfriend”

QuoteJacqueline expresses frustration at the double standard on body counts, arguing men have no right to judge women when their own counts are higher.

“who the f*** are you to tell me or judge me on my body count when your body count is probably 10 times higher”

QuoteChase explains why the body count double standard exists: women can get sex easily, men must become exceptional to achieve the same. A high body count in a woman raises questions about self-control and faithfulness.

“if a woman wants to rack up a very high body count all she has to do is open her legs; if a guy wants to sleep with 100 women he has to become an absolute stud”

QuoteJacqueline calls out a TTS donor who criticized her looks, saying 'who are you to call anyone' and looking at his appearance.

“women look at what he looks like like look at you you are so ugly like who are you to call anyone”

Topics Discussed

Introductions and relationship status round

Guests introduce themselves (name, age, occupation) and describe current relationship status, recent breakups, and longest relationships.

Pearl Bots viral TikTok: shaming men who split the bill

Reaction to Pearl Bots' viral TikTok (~8M views) and NY Post article about using a trick to shame men who want to go 50/50 on dates. Discussion of whether men should pay for first dates, Pearl clarifies it was a skit/illustrative video, not advice. Led to broader debate about gender roles, feminism, and courtship norms.

Feminism debate: definitions, equality, gender roles

Whether guests consider themselves feminists and what that means. Debate about equality of opportunity vs. equality of outcome. Whether feminists truly want equality (draft, dangerous jobs). Pearl, Ava, and others articulate varying positions. Brian and Chase push back on inconsistencies.

Marriage, no-fault divorce, and state vs. biblical covenant

Brian argues no informed man should sign the marriage contract because women overwhelmingly initiate divorce and are rewarded for breaking the contract. Chase discusses history of fault-based divorce. Viewer donation about eliminating no-fault divorce.

Pearl Bots additional viral videos: feminine energy and traditional relationships

Reaction to Pearl's other viral TikToks about transitioning to feminine energy and soft girl era, wanting to be led by a man. Discussion about the tension between hyper-independence and femininity. Brian challenges Pearl on consistency between feminist identity and traditional relationship preferences.

Traditional man vs. taking husband's last name

Pearl says she wants a traditional man but is unsure about taking husband's last name. Brian and Chase press her on the contradiction: wanting a man who leads and provides but not wanting to take his last name. Pearl eventually says she's open to it if he's the right man.

Requirements in a partner and what women bring to the table

Discussion of what women offer beyond physical appearance and sex. Pearl talks about feminine energy as value-add for men. Brian and Chase debate whether high-value women need to offer more than what average women offer.

Self-rating of looks (1-10)

Guests rate their own physical appearance. Two guests rate themselves 10/10. Brian says most overrated themselves. Debate about objectivity in beauty standards, self-confidence vs. delusion, and how overestimating looks leads women to pursue men out of their league.

Kylie's dating story: first love, drug addict, criminal history

Kylie shares story of her first love at age 19 (newly sober) — a meth/heroin addict who led her on while secretly seeing his ex-girlfriend. She visited him in jail. Discussion of bad boy attraction, why women are drawn to men with dangerous/criminal vibes, and whether this is self-sabotaging.

Body counts and double standards

Whether body count matters, the double standard (men revered vs. women shamed), and why the double standard exists (differential ease of getting sex). Jacqueline expresses frustration. Chase and Brian explain biological/evolutionary reasoning. Guests share their counts. Jacqueline: 15. Tiffany: 0. Kylie: not disclosed. Emily: not disclosed. Chase: 8 (referenced from prior episode).

Transcript

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Brian Atlaswas the was the question how do men perceive my looks or how do I how do you objectively when it comes to when it comes to this question let's say for example there is

Brian Atlasto some degree objectivity when it comes to Beauty so what I can't say I have a million dollars in my bank account and if I have zero doar in my bank account

Brian Atlasjust because I think it or say it doesn't mean that it's true there is objectivity to Beauty there's also convention to

Brian AtlasBeauty sure mhm okay so how are we like well okay so I have a question for you you have lip filler correct no you don't have lip filler I got lip filler

Pearl Botsdone two years ago so maybe there's some left over from it but it's just the way that I do my makeup okay you had lip filler previously though yes I did yeah okay and so do you feel that like if you

Pearl Botswere a 10 why the need for were you not a 10 back then I I think that I've grown in confidence and in looks yeah since then okay yeah but I think if I perceive

Pearl Botsmyself as a 10 then I like push myself to get to those standards every day so I don't think it's helpful you know what at the end of the day I don't really give a what true is I give I give more of a of what is effective you

Pearl Botsdon't give a about the what truth is I care more about what's going to be effective for me than what I care about being right or whatever because right is the perception of what like what is that even you know what I'm saying like

Pearl Botsaccording to objective reality according to who to you to the thousands of Men objective reality isn't according to anybody I mean objective reality is just objective reality to but how who decides

Chasewhat objective reality well so for example for example beauty is based on symmetry in the golden r ratio okay right that's objective reality that's not something like it's nobody's perception like for example okay so if

Jacquelinethat's the question my answer is I don't give a okay in the beginning of the podcast who rated us I heard you call numbers out was that Super Chat it was a chat okay yeah but I

Brian Atlasmean the reason why I guess to answer your question why I think it's important that both men and women you guys got to go you can't stay another like 15 20 minutes no maybe another five but okay

Brian Atlaswe'll do another five we can do another five we can do another five it well not four okay four all right I got you got you got four minutes I got four minutes to to make my to save the

Brian Atlasworld make your points while they're here dude so clock's ticking I think that both men and women need to be operating in reality when it comes to their own self assessment of their yes

Brian Atlasattractiveness in the dating Marketplace if you're no offense delusional when it comes to your own pH physical attractiv I'm not I'm not saying you guys are unattractive or ugly you're both

Brian Atlasattractive women but however if you think you are a 10 AKA you are perfect you are on par with the most beautiful women in the world that that is delusion

Brian Atlasand I think I'm an average looking dude I don't think I'm anything special you were trying to say well how can you as a guy who's not a 10 claim that we're not 10 first off you need not be in order to see something you need not be that thing

Brian Atlaswhich you don't see in that person to be able to see it um I think it's very important that both men and women are realistic about where they stand when it comes to their place in the dating

Brian AtlasMarketplace if you don't I think that's where women typically end up getting burned by dudes because if you think you're hot you're going to get like these guys you're going to think you're

Brian Atlasyou're deserving or entitled to a certain caliber of guy and if you think you're a 10 surely then you must be deserving of a guy who a 10 now you might hold this view that you hold for

Chaseyourself to the way that you the 10 in Europe okay Brian let me let me let me land it for you I I know what you're picking I know what you're putting down I'm picking it up a lot of

Chasewomen think that they're tens a lot of women also end up sleeping with dudes that are tens because those guys will sleep with them women it reaffirms this belief in their minds oh I'm a 10 and

Chasethen these women hit cold hard reality when they realize oh the kinds of guys that I could sleep with are not the kinds of guys that I can lock down for marriage this happens across society as

Chasea whole you shaking your head at that you don't think so that's not my experience look it might not be your experience but it is for a lot of women a lot of women a lot of women evaluate their self-identity they should and a

Chaselot of women will be with guys that are very high value who want to sleep with high value or are they good looking just hold on both a lot of women will be with a lot of women will sleep with guys that are quote unquote high value who want to

Chasesleep with them but then they find the cold hard reality when they when it's time to settle down they realize oh those guys that I like that were willing to sleep with me in the past won't marry me and that's a hard realization for a lot of women I think that's a good

Pearl Botsargument for saying maybe you shouldn't think if that's if that's what's happening because of your belief that you're a 10 then you shouldn't do that yes my experience of believing that I'm a 10 is like 5 years ago my I mean

Pearl Botsthere's a most women are insecure the most beautiful women in the world are insecure so to me the way that I combed that insecurity was saying I'm hot I'm the baddest in this room I'm a

Pearl Bots10 and every time I walk into a room I walk into a room with 10 energy as I walk into a room with 10 energy it attracts different energy because it's not really just about your looks it's about the kind of person that you are the ener energy that you bring your

Pearl Botsconfidence and when you think oh I'm a 10 my looks are a 10 and then I start acting like it I start doing my hair differently I start doing my makeup differently I start getting actually physically more beautiful and I know I

Pearl Botswill become even more beautiful as I continue to think I'm a 10 I'm a bad so that's effective for me if it's ineffective for me to think that I'm a 10 and I'm ending up in these weird situations then I should re reevaluate

Brian Atlasand look at reality but in my experience it's only benefited me and helped me become more and more physically beautiful and better overall qu wait question for you on this Che cheers to that so you're you're you're saying that

Brian Atlasyou will become more physically beautiful um I mean just given the track record I think okay I have a question were you are you more physically attractive now at 31 than you were at 21

Pearl Botsyes will you be more physically attractive at 41 than you are now I um think that my mindset should stay the same I think maybe for a 41y old can I

Brian Atlascompare myself to someone who's 25 No 41 versus Fades or whatever yeah at 31 well you said you're more physically attractive now at 31 versus at when you were 21 yes yes and you'll be more do

Pearl Botsyou think you'll be more physically attractive in 10 years at 41 versus now at 31 um well I think as we age you know like our physical Beauty does decrease

Pearl Botsyou know so when I'm 41 I mean I hope to be a hot 41-year-old am I going to be as like youthful and like whatever as I am now I don't know probably not to be

Chasehonest but I still think my internal like posturing should be I'm I'm a 10 I'm a bad you know this is one of the few things you've said on this podcast that we can absolutely agree on

Chaseon the last podcast on the last last podcast I I did with Brian I said that it's really important for women to cultivate that inner beauty and I can tell that's something that you've worked on and it's something that you're intentional about and I I salute you for

Chasethat thank you you know there there's especially we live in a world where there's a lot of women out there that are filled with insecurity and self-loathing I think those are just objectively speaking those aren't

Chaseattractive traits I don't think delusion self-confidence is good but I think I think healthy self-confidence is very attractive and uh you know I salute that it's it's a good trait to develop thank

Chaseyou and it it as you know I made this point on the last podcast as a woman cultivates that inner beauty and also that inner femininity that does also make her more beautiful externally so I

Brian Atlasagree with you on that yeah and just kind of I guess to land the plan on what I was saying before so if I had to distill down one of the primary issues in dating that I see so women want the

Brian Atlasbest man that they can get women will confuse sexual attraction for relationship attraction so men will sleep with women who they would never

Brian Atlashave a relationship with just solely based on the metric of looks so a woman can sleep with a guy who's out of her

Brian Atlasleague in term of in terms of looks status Etc money um that guy is never going to commit to her so if you start

Brian Atlaswomen can sleep up but you probably aren't going to like marry up so if you think you're a 10 like I think it's important to be based in reality when it comes to your own self

Brian Atlasassessment of your physical appearance because if you think you're hot and let's say you're not you're going to be chasing after dudes who will gladly sleep with you who are really attractive guys who make a lot of money who have

Brian Atlashigh status these men will never give you the ring that's why you have women who are trapped in situ relationships with dudes who will never give you commitment that's why I think it's very important to have a accurate self assessment of your own attractiveness

Brian Atlasyour own physical attractiveness in the dating Marketplace that way you know here's the guy who I think I can realistically get a relationship from because men will gladly sleep with you

Brian Atlaskeep you on the the back burner just string you along sleep with you uh they'll never give you commitment and that's why I think it's important that that both men and women are aware of

Brian Atlaswhere they stand in the uh sexual Marketplace the dating Marketplace so your league is the men who will marry you not the men who will sleep with you

Brian Atlasand as women typically I think women you'll break a rule to sleep with a guy he has to be you'll break your rule like for sleeping with a guy quick if he's really physically attractive

Brian Atlaswhereas men it tends to be the reverse so men will sleep with women of a let's say men will sleep with women that they would never be in a relationship with they'll sleep with you but just based on

Brian Atlasyour looks alone they would never be in a relationship with you whereas I think it's typically the re it's the reverse for women in order for you to sleep with a guy he needs to be at least physically

Brian Atlasattractive enough for you to be in a relationship with him so anyways I know you guys have to go so thank you very much for coming is that gang signs it's a

Brian Atlasdope oh body count wait really quick do you guys does body count matter what do you mean us do you think like do you do you chase

Brian Atlasdo you object to men caring about a woman's body count our time is up I think here I'm going to do I'm going to rearrange the seating here a

Brian Atlaslittleit thank you guys for coming drive drive safe so here I'm going to just y'all are just going to move down this way scuffed that one dude

Brian Atlasshe trying to before they left I'm back the lights n just leave it on for now I mean maybe we'll do it

Brian Atlaswe're yeah no all the way down all the way down like 20 30 minutes I need to get through some of my notes step out for just one yeah you scoot down right here and then I'm going to adjust the cameras

Brian Atlasum damn I had so many I'm like so behind on I'm going to read some chats guys guys I'm going to read wait uh hold on no you sorry you go that way can you

Brian Atlasguys just like go you want me to yeah there and then can you go can you go over there that would I

Brian Atlasguess okay guys I'm going to do a couple chats travola oh wait oh wow this looks a lot

Brian Atlasdifferent wait yo Nick tell all right let me get these chats here hold on

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Brian Atlasyou can compensate appropriately ra even DT well well put well put all right hold on we got some more coming in here one sec

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Brian AtlasSt reezy thank you very much man appreciate it agree with that

TTS Donationsoh sorry they had to leave I'm sorry for all these chats addressed modest donated $11 imagine thinking you are a 10 if you

TTS Donationswere a 10 you would have kids already if you were a 10 you would be so far taken if you think your looks are 10 that's wrong if they were your

Brian Atlaspersonality takes you to a three time to leave 34 bricks and W I'm sorry that we that a lot of these were directed at the

Brian Atlasgirls who left but um it's now there's no pause anymore with the TTS so we're full steam ahead all right um let's see

Brian AtlasI had some notes Here one sec guys so we had not Michelle Kylie yes finally getting to Kylie okay at the very

Brian Atlasend of the show we got we had a lot of chats and stuff so uh you were in oh I need to adjust the uh camera angles here uh I'll wait till uh Chase gets back I guess uh you were in a

Brian Atlasrelationship currently it's complicated with the same person but then oh that's when you first reach out but now you're single yeah the things changed since the first til tilt the mic up towards you a

Brian Atlaslittle bit here scoot your mic closer to you please yeah good yeah yeah we're good uh you said you have a super terrible dating story

Kylieabout the first guy you ever loved why don't you tell us that story okay um where do I start okay I met him at a Christmas tree

Kylielot um I pretty much fell in love with him instantly he led me

Kylieon completely broke my heart was a he was addicted to drugs oh um yeah um but pretty much was like messing around

Kyliewith me the whole time and then seeing his ex-girlfriend behind my back um so basically what happened was he

Brian Atlasme over pretty pretty gnarly but um I mean you said that you were 19 you fell in love instantly correct pretty much I would say um you said you were 19

Kylieand newly sober yeah so when I was when I was 19 um I stopped everything didn't drink I didn't really do drugs to be honest but

KylieI stopped drinking completely um didn't do drugs and yeah so I had met him pretty like fresh sober yeah so so you had but were

Kyliedid you like were you previously heavily drinking I wouldn't say really heavily it was just kind of something that needed to happen

Kylielike I like I don't think drinking really benefits like it didn't really benefit my life so yeah and you said literally the moment you shook his hand

Brian Atlasand introduced yourself you had insane butterflies yeah I remember that okay um what was it about him that gave you the

Kyliebutterflies he was very very very confident okay and he was he was pretty short too he was about 5'6 how tall are you 56 okay so same height okay but he's

Kyliereally confident was he good-looking a lot of tattoos Charisma no tattoos maybe he might have had like one but um he I I wouldn't call him insanely

Kyliegood-looking okay it was more his he super confident yes he had a an amazing personality um but looks wise he was not

Brian Atlasdefinitely yeah he was average but you said you had insane butterflies you had insane Butterflies from him yes this was when you were 19 and you're how

Brian Atlasold again now 20 25 25 okay um have you felt that level of butterflies for any other guy no okay

Brian Atlasum you say here the cat what is the catch for this guy the catch what was the catch he did he

Kyliedidn't let me back so huh he did not no but there's more um I'm trying to remember what oh oh I

Kylieremember um he ended up in jail and then I found out that he was in

Kyliejail so I went to go see him mhm pretty much knowing that he wasn't as into me as I was into him here let me

Brian AtlasI'll try to help out here but you said the whole time the catch is this dude the whole time was a meth and heroin addict oh yeah and secretly seeing his ex-girlfriend the entire time he was

Brian Atlaswhoa okay he was those are some pretty big red flags um and you said the big thing that attracted you to him was his confidence

Brian AtlasMH you talking like the heroin meth confidence it's the heroin she the heroin meth Charis charisma um you said we were never never officially together but we're doing all

Brian Atlasrelationship things so when you say doing all the relationship things do you mean administering Naran I never had to do that for

Brian Atlashim that's horrible what is what is I don't even know what that means when someone's oding on fenal it's like what you administer to damn bring back no but so

Brian Atlaswhen you say doing all the relationships what do you mean besides it yeah dates sex oh PDA like okay situationship how

Kylielong were you dating him so um I would say there was like a six-month period he kind of dropped off the face of the Earth for a little bit came back and then started seeing him

Kylieagain so total I would say probably somewhere around a year or a year and a half okay but but there was like see I don't even know how accurate that is cuz there was like a break in between there

Kyliesure yeah okay wait did you know that he was into drugs when you started dating no I had no clue but then why did you continue after you

Kylieknew um cuz I was in love so stupid in love with him oh it was I was I look

Kylieback on it now and I look I I know it was stupid I would never do that now but um in the time I was super young so I'm

Kylie25 now but I was super young and I just kind of let my feelings take me and I think you probably are like I know like women or men or whatever you think that people

Jacquelineare going to change like if you have a conversation with them you think like okay now I've had this conversation with them they understand now they'll change right wait so okay how long were

Brian Atlasyou dating him uh it was I'd say somewhere around a year but it was like split up there were It's on again off again kind of it was

Kyliesplit up you said cuz he was in jail or so I was seeing him and then he D he went to jail was still seeing him so

Kyliethat was like a six-month period Then he literally dropped off the face of the Earth like I just don't know where he went right so that was about 6

Brian Atlasmonths and then he showed back back up and then I'd say probably like another 6 months so it's like 6 months together he ghosted you I guess he went to jail G then dated another six months okay were

Brian Atlasyou seeing other guys during that break like did you date other men I think I tried but I you were still caught up on feelings for yeah Tak me a really long time to get um how early on

Brian Atlasinto the relationship did you find out that he was a methan heroin addict maybe can you move that mic over pleas your no no no not you you move

Brian Atlasover the mic go ahead I want to say couple months okay and that wasn't like a deal breaker red flag for you I

Brian Atlasknew it was but I didn't care you didn't care why cuz you were in love with him yeah okay um so you said in your pre-show notes you weren't aware of the drug use in the

Brian Atlasbeginning and there was this one time on Halloween years ago that you picked up his really sketchy friend in Laguna Niguel where we were driving and all of

Kyliea sudden the friend who was in your back seat does what so he unwraps

Kyliea piece of foil and starts just randomly smoking can we say heroin yeah yeah okay I didn't know if there was go so he just starts

Kyliesmoking heroin in the back of my car and I didn't know what to do so I didn't say anything um how early on in the relationship was that this

Kyliewas few months this was before the ghost or whatever yeah this was before that okay yeah um and so you said you were in so much shock you couldn't even say

Brian Atlasanything uh then your boyfriend guy whatever grabs the drugs from him and smokes it too yes okay so it looks at

Brian Atlasme disrespects me and it's like I'm gonna do it anyway can you get like you know how you can HotBox can you get like a I would assume

Brian Atlascontact thing would assume while you're driving that's a not even more um that's you were driving you were driving I was driving yeah for how long after the whole heroin in the car incident did you

Brian Atlasstay with him I honestly don't think it was much longer after that well no but but you said okay you said it was before he went he ghosted you so you said you were with him for 6 months and then

Brian Atlasthere was the break and then you dated him for another 6 months after he got out of prison or jail or something so it was so long ago that I it's the timeline

Brian Atlasis a little that's that's fine but you so it was before the jail incident that the car in heroin incident occurred I actually don't I don't remember if the

Brian Atlascar incident was before after jail okay but how long did you stay with him after that inent the paron in the car incident we'll call it I want to say maybe

Kylieanother couple months and that wasn't like the immediate no dude cuz I gave him like the hey that can never happen again you know like I talked to him

Kylieabout it and um I mean that that exact well that exact situation never happened again you know but then it was other things um

Kylieokay all right but also it's like this guy was never he really was never my boyfriend it was sure it was more just like even worse I know right I know it's

Brian Atlaseven worse he wasn't even loyal to you correct okay um you said he ended up in jail and then eventually prison mhm um the first time he ended up in jail he dropped off the face of the Earth so I

Brian Atlasdid some investigating and found out that he was indeed in jail had to use the chick FBI skills anyway I went to visit him you went to visit him in jail yes okay and you had your first ever

Brian AtlasJail visitation for a boyfriend that was it conjugal no I don't think you can do conjugals what's that it's like you can they in person you can like they give you a little house or something in the

Brian Atlasjail and that's only for married people you got to be married yeah um uh oh but okay so you visited him in jail since you visited him in

Brian Atlasjail uh you noticed you indeed have a type crying laughing emoji yeah uh you broke it off eventually because he was a piece of

Kylieyou said you've noticed you indeed have a type what is your type it's uh definitely what I said earlier I definitely

Kylielike well it now is different than it was but I like the reformed bad boy compared to what was then just the bad boy yeah cuz like the bad boy is just

Kyliegoing to get you in trouble and you over and you're not going to end up with that person in the end most likely um

Kyliebut I mean honestly like my my type is someone who has been through things like that but has overcome so maybe not currently in like

Brian Atlasdoesn't have to be drugs it could just be like any hardship okay so but so your type is past prison sentences I I do like prison

Kyliedudes not going to lie you do like P why I'm just curious like why what about them as attractive so I find and I don't do this on purpose

Kyliebut I find a lot of them are very organized very kind to women they're very chivalrous they're they're clean as

Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)but I feel like there are non prison guys that are just like that sorry what did you say oh I I I feel like like there's a lot of guys out there that didn't go to prison that's

Kylielike clean and neat and treats woman really nicely there are I I don't I don't know I'm just telling you what happens what I am

Brian Atlasattracted to um it's you have H herophilus what's that's the phenomenon of an individual being sexually aroused by a criminal offender oh goodness

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TTS Donationsdisagree same w/ AWS all hail Master Bezos and pit you're welcome uh I I I actually don't mind python but

Brian AtlasI use a lot of java all right there you have it um yeah so hold on let me clear that

Brian Atlaschase do you want to rejoin the yes all right you you said you think modern dating is horrendous and difficult women don't respect themselves and men are Unfaithful or so it seems

Brian Atlasthat way so how do women not respect themselves um um and how is mod ding horrendous and difficult do you think it might be go ahead go ahead you're going

Brian Atlasto roast me AR you um well you it I I imagine you like pass up opportunities with good men

Brian Atlasbecause you're like attracted to these guys who you said you're you your type

Brian Atlasis men who have a history of incarceration not not all of them just

Kylieit seems to be the case that most of the men you date are were previously incarcerated I've only really dated like a few like like less than a handful of

TTS Donationspeople Raven DT donated $100 find yourself an older military man if you want an organized man the military is a lot like prison except they volunteered to go and they are

TTS Donationsbuilding a real career become a tri career TOS don't date anyone below E6 though those guys are F boys oh it's honestly it's honestly good advice those guys are

KylieF boys how many dudes have you dated that have been to prison you said a handful well no I've only dated less than a handful of guys oh okay um how

Kyliemany of them have been to prison if we're counting the the first guy then one two three four five two two it's two

Kylieokay well you said but you said your type is I've noticed I indeed have a type it's because I I I look at guys like that and I'm like oh he's he's hot

Jacquelinehe looks like he went to jail these girls in their bad boy Tendencies no no no but I don't love me and I'm not not not about prison guys or anything but well

Brian Atlasyou said you date bad boys a little bit right yeah um so okay um

Brian Atlasso you you say modern dating is horrendous and difficult don't you think you might be making it difficult for

Kylieyourself by dating these types of men yeah I think my own but like choice you have agency you have choice but I will

Kylietell you um my longest relationship he went to prison he was the most amazing guy wait like ever like I

Kyliemean he wait is the meth the meth hery different different prison guy yeah we were together for like three and a half years yeah um what did you go to what

Kyliedrugs was it drugs for him too or uh he he had a history of drug use yeah okay um yeah uh okay but he's a like the most

Brian Atlasstandup individual I will you can turn your life around absolutely yeah he was Pro of that for sure but like it seems like specifically going after these men and disregarding other

Kyliemen who perhaps don't have that kind of History seems to be a bit self-sabotaging I don't specifically go after them I just find myself attracted to guys like that but I would be open to

Chaseway more than that cuz I know that there's other kinds of guys out there I'm just saying that that I see a a dude is like is it the dangerous Vibe like is it that there's like a hint of danger

Kylienot necessarily towards you but you know that they're like they're bad men like they're bad necessarily morally bad because I don't like them like when they're in the doing the bad stuff I I

Chasedon't I don't like that she likes the reformed version is it is it like kind of like the Lawless Cowboy vibe that you like like there's a little bit of danger there you know like what what is it

Kylieprobably a little bit yeah yeah I think that guy's advice to go for is honestly really good advice I would agree my grandpa was a military guy and him and my grandma were married

Chasefor over 60 years so wow yeah you should totally go for like military dudes not under E6 like that guy said but uh yeah don't make my

Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)mistakes yeah are you in general okay with drugs with guys I don't like I don't like

Chasedrugs or alcohol you like tatted guys um sure but I also like not tattooed guys as well when you see a guy with tattoos does it like signal something to

Kylieyou like yo this this guy might be a little dangerous no because you can also have certain kinds of tattoos that make you very not attractive so just because

Kylieyou have tattoos doesn't mean like what what kind of what kind of tattoos make a guy un I'll tell you and I'm so sorry if anybody has these tattoos but

Chaseum a dude a dude with a lion roses black and gray roses in a compass or or a wolf have you had like specific

Kylieexperiences with guys with those tattoos or do you just generally find those specific tattoos unattractive well I I I'm an artist so I do these for a living and so you see like a certain type of

KyliePersonality that comes in through the doors that gets these tattoos that's the weirdest thing okay I don't know what is that kind of personality um I'll just call it not my

Kylienot my thing not my what what is it what is it I don't even know how to explain it um I would just say like super

Aliboyish maybe oh okay or maybe maybe that and then um you're you're nodding your head in agreement have you experience the same Vibe with dudes with those tattoos so the one that got the other girl pregnant and all that he had a

Alicompass tattoo right here and I'm not sure if he had a lion I don't think he did but I always thought it was the most attractive thing in the world and then I saw his brother get it cuz I was close

Aliwith his brother cuz his brother did nothing wrong and then once his brother got it he turn it was just I was like no wait so his brother got the tattoo and then turned bad he turned into a a

Alidifferent vibe for me he always used to be that like innocent like he got a compass tatto he got the compass tattoo and then it all just went downhill for him interesting what is it with the I

Aliwill always love him CU he's he was like a little brother to me but like no not anymore okay trying to think if I know anyone with compass

Alitattoos it's such a strange it's weird as soon as she said Compass I was like o no no you want to keep rolling Brian yeah hold on I had to adjust the

Brian Atlascameras there although probably yeah um you said that there's a very apparent hookup culture and absolute HL going on so what what

Kylieislation um I think where meaningless hookups and sex are glorified and I just see I mean like that kind of

Kyliestuff was going on when I was a when I was a teenager so like 10 years ago is it was still a thing so it seems to be consistent um but I don't

Kyliethink I mean yeah that's that's polation just glorified casual sex and hookups and

Brian Atlaswhatnot okay and then I think the last thing here let's see oh it well we had so many notes I think I scratch

Brian Atlasthe there's like so many points I could I wrote down but I don't know if we have time um super chats no super chats uh I did want it seemed like you pushed back quite a bit on the body

Brian Atlascount thing so it sounded like do you object to men caring about body count we'll go around the table on this absolutely absolutely okay what about you I think you have a right to care if you want to care

Alisure um I mean you can care if you want but everybody has a past and people overcome their issues so okay so do you

Alido you object to to men having that preference like low body count in women I mean everybody has their own preference so I don't object I gu okay

TTS Donationswell do you think it's insecure or immature hold on sore easy donated $99 women don't like guys that are good for them or guys on the fixed income

Brian Atlastell a girl you're not good for her she will think it's sexy do you think it's insec or immature

Alito care about body count I don't I mean I grew up in a very Christian household um so I mean unfortunately I'm not a

Alivirgin so um I can't give that to my future husband but I I wouldn't be upset if a guy was no I do not object because

Brian Atlasthat's what I also look for in a guy I think guys have the right to care okay so

Jacquelinedo you why why do you object to it to men caring about body count why do you think it's insecure shouldn't judge on the past what do you why yeah I guess I I think

Jacquelinethat's what I more so lean towards is that you're condemning someone for their past and you're not letting them grow or change or be who the person that they are now and to condemn someone for their past is just dumb like like you know

Jacquelinelike we don't you just I just think that's dumb you think it's dumb yeah to condemn someone for their past or for their past choices like you like people can change and people can be someone completely different than who they were

Brian Atlasand you don't know if that was like a phase when they were like okay so when it comes to this whole it's in the past argument we shouldn't judge people on their

Brian Atlaspast let's not act like when it comes to dating that men are these judgmental Pricks and women are for benevolent forgivers of all women are extremely

Brian AtlasDiscerning when it comes to to who they date women are picker than men women are more selective than men women disqualify men for numerous reasons so I guess why

Brian Atlasis it okay then for women to have preferences standards and boundaries but men are not I guess it depends on like what like what kind of like I don't know

Brian Atlaslike what sorry go ahead go ahead no go ahead well when we went went around the table did you say remind me did you say you would date a

Brian Atlasyeah you would uhhuh did you say it wasn't I said sex was teachable so I okay that's fair that's okay well that's fair then um what about I forgot about

Brian Atlasyou guys but okay D it well I would argue though that a lot of women who would say well we shouldn't judge people on their past a lot of

Brian Atlaswomen would also judge a man on his past lack of sexual experience a lot of women like we had multiple women here say they wouldn't St the Virgin yeah I I don't know I don't

Jacquelineknow get down but like for me it's like even I'm not going to talk about that but like I I've definitely taught people like like gotten into a relationship with somebody and like they're not the best at sex and then I teach them

Brian Atlasexactly what I like they can learn girl number two boy is considered a slur as far as I'm aware as I'm not allowed to say it without it being hate speech even in an

Brian Atlasextremely right State Utah are you homophobic you describe tattoos of lions roses Compass wolves as being is did you say because it is I said boy did you say boy or something else I

Brian Atlassaid boy that got to him I think he might the other afterward May um keep your mic by theedge of the table Yeah and is somebody tapping on

Brian Atlasthe ground just please don't tap on our ground we have a sorry yeah um me so so you object like if I preferred a girl who has a low body count you object to that it depends on what do you mean

Brian Atlasby low body count like if you're saying like three to yeah that's ridiculous three to five 3 to five is ridiculous that why is that ridiculous because how old is the girl that you're looking for

Brian Atlasit doesn't matter it it it I mean like what world do you live in that you think that you're going to find like I I hear from 30-year-old virgin women all the time I don't believe them you don't believe that a 30-year-old could be a I

Brian Atlasmean look some women do lie about that but there there are older like older women who are virgins there's women with religious convictions there's women who just choose not to sleep around why have they not found if they have like these

Chasereligious convictions or if they're so like such Saints why aren't they married and like you know what I mean like how how are you single that's a different question we've gone from whether or not the women exist to now why are you still a virgin like some people just choose

Jacquelinenot to have sex they view it as a sacred thing and they don't want to sleep with people unless they're serious with them I know but why wouldn't they find that person then those people I get like like I I know a lot of people like that like cuz I have family down in Alabama but they get they get married when they're

Jacquelinelike 18 they get married when they're 20 and then like they they're banging their husband you know what I mean it's not like they're waiting until they're 30 and they're like I'm still a virgin like come on what 30-year-old virgin that's like being a 40-year old virgin I mean

Chasesometimes they're socially awkward women that haven't found the right guy sometimes they're women with very high high standards that haven't found the right guy for any number of reasons like it's somebody could ask the same question of you why haven't you found

Chasethe right guy you're 33 years old like a it's the I know but it's it's the same thing like why didn't those women find the right guy I've wanted to find the right guy like neither party did but to

Jacquelinesay that it's ridiculous for a man to prefer that is ridiculous I I think I think 3 to five is ridiculous like for me like it's just so ridiculous I can guarantee that both of you guys have way

Jacquelinemore than three to five bodies she belongs to the streets no way more I guarant mine's not much higher I I wanted to ask you a question if I may is it up is it related but go ahead what's up it's related to sex okay so like I

Jacquelinesaid I've been watching the podcast right for a while so I was following your story when you were celibate for a very long time and then you met a lady that took that period of celebrancy

Brian Atlasaway from you and I wanted to ask you if you were still with her it's private information okay I was just curious bringing it back to body count though so you think it's crazy to think like three

Jacquelineto five yeah I mean it depend how old are you talking here I mean what do you mean how old am I talking how like about what what woman what what's her age why why does it matter because if you're talking about an 18-year-old you

Brian Atlasknow what I mean yes okay obviously someone who's a bit older she's had more relationship experience she might have a higher body count right yeah if you're talking about a three-year-old like three to five is just I don't know for me I it's just so ridiculous cuz well

Brian Atlasokay here we'll go around the T I want to go around the table on this um so I forgot everyone's individual answers on this well okay if body count doesn't matter right body count does matter

Jacquelineshouldn't matter does it matter it does to many men yes no I'm saying I'm not saying it it doesn't matter cuz like if you have like hundreds like okay come on bro like or like 50 like there gets to a

Jacquelinepoint where it's a little excessive right but three to five like no but I don't think three I didn't say three to five is high I didn't say three to five is high

Brian Atlasbut you said like 3 to five you think that's insane for a girl to have a 3 to five body count yeah someone said that am I pulling that out of air I think what am I pulling out th air I thought

Chaseone of you guys said three to five is a desirable range No 3 to five was like two much oh or maybe saying I see what you're saying maybe I just pulled it I don't know I see what you're saying okay I mean there's there are I will say

Chasethere are many men out there who you know it's a saying on the internet all the time no himman no diamond like there are many men out there who prefer virgins now obviously that's hard to find particularly at 30 years old but like many men out there do not want to

Chasebe with a woman who slept with a bunch of guys where are they from like these are just normal dudes throughout all of America and the Western World Abdul yeah get the Rocks get the Rocks you say where are they from but you have to

Chaserealize this has been the preference of men throughout all of human history I guess I guess I I think that now not all men I will add Not all men

Chasesome men don't really care that much I would say a majority of men don't care I would say the majority of men that I know absolutely do care well that's a different Community it's not I mean yeah I'm not friends with like a bunch of

Chaseleftists for example but like the majority of dudes I know who even aren't particularly political like they yes across the board generally speaking prefer women with lower body counts yeah

Jacquelineand I mean I that's fine I mean like I I don't have like an astronomically high body count as it's just like I I don't like I feel like that's such an ongoing argument with men and like body counts

Jacquelineand I think it just like triggers me because it goes back to like what I was talking about before about just like that grid One Motorsports donated

TTS Donations$100 body count matters my body count is high my wife's was low I was 34 when we met and she was 23 I do not feel like I

TTS Donationsam a particularly uncommon my body count did not matter to her although she has over the years teased me about it while I did care there we go so thank you gri one appreciate it yeah thank you very

Jacquelinemuch cuz you just L me right into what I was going to say is that it like it's such a double standard where it's like men and I don't like that and I think it like it just triggers me cuz like that just gets under my skin it's like who

Jacquelinethe f or you to tell me or judge me on my body count when your body count is probably 10 times higher than mine like who who the hell it's just like it just bugs me and triggers me because it's

Jacquelinelike it's just crazy to me like how how do you think you're in any position to judge when I'll definitely not you and not you personally just mean in general I think I I I personally find it

Chaseridiculous when dudes that have slept with hundreds of women like judge women super harshly over it but also at the same time you know one of the things that we've talked about on the show many times is yes there's a double standard

Chasebut it exists for a reason and that reason is look I mean you could go out tonight and find a hundred dudes that would want to sleep with you you're a pretty woman got good energy guarantee you could get laid by 100 different guys

Chasethroughout the city for guys it's totally different story it's a totally different story I'm like I'm I'm I'm a decently good-looking guy compared to the average I don't think I'm like an ultra Giga Chad but like even for a guy

Chaselike me like it's the the number of women that I could sleep with compared to the number of men that you could sleep with it's a huge differential and the reason why there is a double standard is because

Chaseif a woman wants to rack up a a very high body count like if a woman wants to sleep with a hundred guys all she has to do is open her legs if a guy wants to sleep with a 100 woman he has to become an absolute stud in order to do so now

Chasethat doesn't mean that it's okay for him to do so I I don't I totally disagree with men sleeping with tons of women I think it's bad for society I also think it's bad for Society for women to sleep with a lot of men but the reason why the

Chasedouble standard exists is because it's very easy for women to get sex it's much more difficult for for men to get sex and it's I said earlier in the

Chaseshow that one of the signs of a high value woman is a woman who can say no right if a woman can can say no to men that shows that she can express

Chasediscretion she has self-control she has self-discipline and those are desirable traits in a mate right a lot of women you know women women like guys

Chasethat are desired by many other women you know like and and one of the reasons why it's judged less less harshly towards men is because if a woman if if a guy has a ton of options and he slept with a

Chaselot of women and he's like an absolute stud and he decides that he likes you like women will often Overlook it because they're like wow this guy could have like any woman he wants and he's choosing me and so it gets judged less harshly right but guys look at it

Chasedifferently because it's like well you could sleep with like any man on the planet if you wanted to and if you have done so it's like that's not good but if you have chosen not to especially from like a partnership and

Chasemarriage perspective if a woman is able to say no that's a green flag right if a woman can't say no or she won't say no then it's a red flag because it's like we were talking about earlier in the

Chaseshow it's like you have to ensure paternity like I as a guy there's like biological mechanisms in my mind where I'm like okay I want to make sure that you're going to be saying no to other

Chaseguys in marriage or you know if a woman has a high body count it begs the question are you the type of person who you know if a guy gives you the feels are you just going to sleep with him right off the bat could I trust that you

Chasewouldn't cheat on me in marriage like that's it's like I don't even think people really consciously think about it but that's kind of what's driving the thought process and it's you know if a woman has slept with like 150 guys or

Chasesomething like that it's like whoa red flag that's dangerous she might sleep around while we're married so on and so forth like undesirable in that sense does that make sense okay so that's why there's a double standard there now I'm not saying that like again it's good for

Chasemen to sleep with a lot of women I don't think it is I don't think it's good for either sex to have a lot of Partners yeah but that's why the double standard exists yeah I just feel like it's one of those things that men is like like men

TTS Donationsjust constantly like that's like their like modest hikima donated $11 angry feminist angry because biology

TTS Donationsdo I agree with her kind of but also so like read a Biology book about animals not humans and then read a book about

TTS Donationshuman animals knowledge is wild men hit Prime mid to late 30 women 20 to 25 okay yeah thank you for those facts

Brian Atlasgo ahead do you want to respond I forgot what I was going to say well I mean just to address the double standard thing so I I think it would be a double standard

Brian Atlasif for example I didn't think it was okay for women to care about body count I absolutely think I don't if a woman doesn't want to date a guy with a high body count that's totally fine I think

Brian Atlasthat's where the double standard is now I see what you're saying about this double standard where men are to some degree revered if they can sleep with a lot of women and women are shamed for it Chase already kind of pretty much

Brian Atlasaddressed that I mean I would say that it really comes down to most women can sleep with most men most men cannot sleep with most women air go it's to some degree like Chase said a guy has to bring something to the table he has to

Brian Atlasbe impressive in some way he has to be a stud in order to sleep with a ton of like a ton of women whereas the reverse it's very easy for women any girl here at this table could be a if she wanted to you could

Brian Atlasjust like we've had like any woman could be like an insane sex addict but like we we had a girl a show with a girl who she was a sex addict she slept with Five

Brian AtlasGuys in a day in order for a guy to sleep with five women in a day he has to be like so insanely attractive these were new guys by the way and she was doing this every single night for

Brian Atlaslike weeks on end was my understanding you need to be like Drake you need to be the top top top tier professional

TTS Donationsathlete you need to be a famous musician famous actor if you want to sleep with that many women that's the difference Sports $0000 to add to what Chase is saying

TTS Donationswhen I was young I slept around because I could but chose women that I knew were not wife potential if they were going to give me sex I was certainly not going to turn it down however they had zero

Jacquelinerelationship potential yep there you have it you're sorry go ahead no go ahead so you're guy you're trying to tell me that your guys' inboxes are your DMs are not flooded with messages you

Jacquelinecouldn't go out and bang 50 Chicks tonight if you wanted to no no I mean I got a lot of girls chase chase is

Chasea chat Chas has a lot of DMS huh I'm sure you both do from like you know I have but look I we're on a a freaking super viral dating podcast like we're

Chaseextreme outliers in the population before doing this no I did not have a bunch of women that were in my DMs all the time you know like now yes there's a decent amount of chicks in my DMs I

Brian Atlaswon't lie but the point that's not like an own though that's not an own because like we can take an average woman who's 19 years old who has a th000 followers on Instagram who goes to college she's

Brian Atlasgetting the equivalent amount of sexual attention or well she's getting DMS that is reserved for guys with like substantial social media followings like

Brian Atlasaverage 19-year-old dudes in college are not getting DMD by girls getting offers to be flown out and getting Sugar Sugar Mama offers that doesn't exist it's it's it's actually crazy like

Chasethere's 19-year-old girls from here in the area that have come on the show and they've got like 5 10,000 followers on Instagram getting DMS from like football players and rappers and like all this kind of stuff and ultimately what it comes down to in my opinion is

Chaselike it's if like Brian was saying if if you guys want to sleep with a ton of men that's very easy to do so and I

Chasethink I think where the judgment comes from is it's like if a woman you know you've been with guys that like you you've liked and you've been attracted to and so on and so forth and some of those guys have been like bad choices

Chasefor you you know and the thing the thing that's going to really impress a man who cares about your past is if he's going to see okay you were in positions of Temptation and you chose to exercise

Chaseself-control and you knew your value in your worth and you were not going to give yourself to men who didn't deserve you right because a lot of women one of the things that I've noticed about about women and kind of female psychology is a

Chaselot of women you know the body count thing is interesting because there's women out there who just like they're horny and they want to have sex like I met a ton of girls like that here in IA Vista when I was in college like there were so many girls in my dorm complex they just they

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