She Wants A Traditional Man But WILL NOT Take Husbands Last Name?! | Dating Talk #117

Date: 2023-11-13

Duration: 5h 53m

Guests

Brian Atlas

JJacqueline (DT117)>

KKylie (DT117)>

JJackie (DT117)>

EEmily (DT117)>

CChase (DT118)>

TTiffany (DT117)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Ava Marie(guest)

SPEAKER_03Tiffany(guest)

SPEAKER_04Ali(guest)

SPEAKER_05Pearl Bots(guest)

SPEAKER_06Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Chase(host)

SPEAKER_11Emily/Jackie (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Jacqueline(guest)

SPEAKER_14Kylie(guest)

Key Moments

QuotePearl Bots introduces herself and describes going viral for TikTok about shaming men who split the bill.

“my name is Pearl Bots I'm 31 and I'm a singer songwriter and content creator”

QuotePearl argues that the viral TikTok was a skit to illustrate a point, not actual advice, and criticizes sensationalist journalism for misrepresenting her views.

“it was a 30 second clip of like a very small piece of how I think and who I am”

QuoteBrian challenges Pearl: she wants a traditional man who pays and leads but won't take his last name. Pearl says she hasn't met a man worthy of it yet.

“I haven't met a man who is worthy of me taking [his last name]”

QuoteChase responds that a high-value man would not want to marry a woman who won't take his last name.

“why would a high value man want to marry a woman who won't even take his last name”

QuotePearl rates herself a 10/10 on looks, arguing that perceiving yourself as a 10 helps you actually become more physically beautiful through higher self-standards.

“10... I think that my looks have grown as my self worth has grown”

ControversyBrian challenges Pearl and another guest who rated themselves 10/10, saying they overrated themselves. Ava pushes back, calling it ridiculous.

“y'all overrated yourselves a lot”

QuotePearl defends her 10/10 self-rating by explaining it as a mindset tool that leads to actual self-improvement and attracting better energy.

“if I perceive myself as a 10 then I push myself to get to those standards every day”

QuoteKylie shares the story of her first love at 19: a meth/heroin addict who led her on while seeing his ex, and who she visited in jail.

“he was addicted to drugs... he was messing around with me the whole time and seeing his ex-girlfriend”

QuoteJacqueline expresses frustration at the double standard on body counts, arguing men have no right to judge women when their own counts are higher.

“who the f*** are you to tell me or judge me on my body count when your body count is probably 10 times higher”

QuoteChase explains why the body count double standard exists: women can get sex easily, men must become exceptional to achieve the same. A high body count in a woman raises questions about self-control and faithfulness.

“if a woman wants to rack up a very high body count all she has to do is open her legs; if a guy wants to sleep with 100 women he has to become an absolute stud”

QuoteJacqueline calls out a TTS donor who criticized her looks, saying 'who are you to call anyone' and looking at his appearance.

“women look at what he looks like like look at you you are so ugly like who are you to call anyone”

Topics Discussed

Introductions and relationship status round

Guests introduce themselves (name, age, occupation) and describe current relationship status, recent breakups, and longest relationships.

Pearl Bots viral TikTok: shaming men who split the bill

Reaction to Pearl Bots' viral TikTok (~8M views) and NY Post article about using a trick to shame men who want to go 50/50 on dates. Discussion of whether men should pay for first dates, Pearl clarifies it was a skit/illustrative video, not advice. Led to broader debate about gender roles, feminism, and courtship norms.

Feminism debate: definitions, equality, gender roles

Whether guests consider themselves feminists and what that means. Debate about equality of opportunity vs. equality of outcome. Whether feminists truly want equality (draft, dangerous jobs). Pearl, Ava, and others articulate varying positions. Brian and Chase push back on inconsistencies.

Marriage, no-fault divorce, and state vs. biblical covenant

Brian argues no informed man should sign the marriage contract because women overwhelmingly initiate divorce and are rewarded for breaking the contract. Chase discusses history of fault-based divorce. Viewer donation about eliminating no-fault divorce.

Pearl Bots additional viral videos: feminine energy and traditional relationships

Reaction to Pearl's other viral TikToks about transitioning to feminine energy and soft girl era, wanting to be led by a man. Discussion about the tension between hyper-independence and femininity. Brian challenges Pearl on consistency between feminist identity and traditional relationship preferences.

Traditional man vs. taking husband's last name

Pearl says she wants a traditional man but is unsure about taking husband's last name. Brian and Chase press her on the contradiction: wanting a man who leads and provides but not wanting to take his last name. Pearl eventually says she's open to it if he's the right man.

Requirements in a partner and what women bring to the table

Discussion of what women offer beyond physical appearance and sex. Pearl talks about feminine energy as value-add for men. Brian and Chase debate whether high-value women need to offer more than what average women offer.

Self-rating of looks (1-10)

Guests rate their own physical appearance. Two guests rate themselves 10/10. Brian says most overrated themselves. Debate about objectivity in beauty standards, self-confidence vs. delusion, and how overestimating looks leads women to pursue men out of their league.

Kylie's dating story: first love, drug addict, criminal history

Kylie shares story of her first love at age 19 (newly sober) — a meth/heroin addict who led her on while secretly seeing his ex-girlfriend. She visited him in jail. Discussion of bad boy attraction, why women are drawn to men with dangerous/criminal vibes, and whether this is self-sabotaging.

Body counts and double standards

Whether body count matters, the double standard (men revered vs. women shamed), and why the double standard exists (differential ease of getting sex). Jacqueline expresses frustration. Chase and Brian explain biological/evolutionary reasoning. Guests share their counts. Jacqueline: 15. Tiffany: 0. Kylie: not disclosed. Emily: not disclosed. Chase: 8 (referenced from prior episode).

Transcript

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Brian Atlassay being attracted to and pursuing a man who's like a serial killer or even a criminal uh but they've done studies on this and a much larger non-negligible

Brian Atlasportion of women cohort of women find dark Triad personality traits attractive narcissist narcissism Mock melanism and psychop psychopathy um

Chaseyou ever seen the stats on the most common types of uh pornography that women look up uh no oh man it's crazy F I think the five most common themes that women look up in in

Chasepornography are uh werewolves what yeah werewolves Pirates surgeons billionaires I can't remember what the last one is is this for I don't know if

Chaseit's for for prawn or if it's for like romance novels that's for pornography oh werewolf porn huh yeah those are the most those are the most common Google

Emily/Jackie (mixed)searches also likees Jordan Peterson's talked about it like women just sending like a bunch of like serial killers letters feel like that comes into

Brian Atlasplay a little concerning uh Emily we have actually let me just trigger these uh nah no here let me trigger these really quick and then I'll I have a

TTS Donationscouple more yo Adam thank you man appreciate it donated $99 all I'm hearing is you ladies aren't willing to do the difficult jobs that

TTS Donationspay a decent wage that isn't discrimination that isn't sexism that's lack of effort lack of will to provide I don't break my back because I love doing

Brian Atlasit it's done for my gal oh there's a good video it's a great comment there's uh two videos there's the kid video and then the uh working we'll react to those clips later

Brian Atlasum and then we have doc vabis here microchimerism is real it has been well studied in women with autoimmune disorders DNA from fetus crosses the placenta also can acquire DNA via blood

Brian Atlastransfusions however DNA from sperm donors that's news I'm trying to find that data from Doc van abas thank you very much man appreciate it we have Emily here let's see so you were on the

Brian Atlasshow you've been on the show twice um have you gotten any DMS from guys like sling into the DMS yeah a lot lot how many um well they filter out of my

Emily/Jackie (mixed)requests if I don't respond to them but I'd say like probably more than like 30 or maybe 20 to 30 okay that's not too much crazy but have you responded to any of them I responded to one because it

Emily/Jackie (mixed)was really nice in the way he wrote it I was just like oh like I got to respond to that he was really respectful what' he say um he was just saying gave me a lot of compliments said I was

Emily/Jackie (mixed)respectable and um brought up a few of the points I said last time just said that I was bringing like common sense into a lot of things sure you wrote in one of your pre-show notes modern dating scares you because of how many people

Brian Atlasjust want to have meaning meaningless casual sex and not actually connect mhm have you ever had casual

Brian Atlassex in high school yeah oh okay all right uh you said I wish dating was how it used to be seen in old movies with traditional gentlemen who will Court a lady and take her out on lots of dates

Brian Atlasand hold the door Etc uh ladies here at the table do you agree with that do you wish that dating was how it used to be traditional old movies think of the flowers holding the door wait doesn't I

Brian Atlashaven't seen the movie but doesn't this like build this chick a house yes that is simp as fuckes don't build a house for some chick what doesn't he die does he die

Kyliefor her or something care of her till old age dementia this guy built her house even The Blue Shutters yeah everything bro that's so I haven't seen the movie so I don't know it's

Brian Atlasactually quite romantic bro imagine like but come on modern times like building a house oh let me that's like the let me build you a house if she's the woman of your dreams and like it makes her whole world

Emily/Jackie (mixed)like what's wrong with that man and and you lock her down like what's wrong with that I think with today's housing like if someone could build you a house that yeah I'd sign up for that any day especially if it's like a man I'm going a marri you can build my house I could

Chasesay it in the future yeah my man built this house like that's such a flex but dudes are watching right now taking notes and they're like yo I need to figure out how to build a house for Emily uh but okay so you said you wish

Brian Atlasdating was how it used to be seen in old movies traditional gentlemen Court lady etc etc um just around the table do you agree with

Jacquelinethat um I'm somewhere in the middle oh okay all right I like cording yeah sure uh definitely cording yeah

Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)that would be lovely if that happened yeah yeah I think it could still exist if you picked the right guy wait sorry what is like modern dating

Chaselike not mean em em what is modern dating like Emily explain it dating into the mic i'

TTS Donationswould say I think a lot of a few of the ladies here um oh loose energy 99 I'm didn't know Chase what oh

TTS Donationssorry oh trying to get saved she want to get saved you can't save her us feminist on the right fell get used to being

TTS Donationsalone with your cats Abdul you know what to do get the Rocks # your shirt sucks get the Rocks ABD I'm a fire back the get the Rocks I'm a fire back cuz he's

Chasecalling me a s and Captain Sabo look bro you can call me what ever you want to call me the reality is there's millions of women out there liking making the same kind of mistakes that she's making and it bums me out to see anyone uh

Chasespend the rest of their lives alone and unhappy I don't want that to happen to her if she keeps messing around with bad boys for the rest of her life and I would like hopefully some other woman out there to learn from these mistakes

Chaseand correct course dude because these freaking wine ants living with their cats on anti-depressants are ruining our society dude these are all the women that are voting for and railing against

Chasethe patriarchy and doing all this kind of stuff we need less of this okay I need I want to stop this thank

Emily/Jackie (mixed)you shots fired okay um Emily what's what's like traditional dating okay so I'd say traditional dating is um wait did she ask what modern or traditional was

Emily/Jackie (mixed)modern modern dating it's like yeah women are expected to pay 50/50 like she said or take on like a a little bit of more of a leadership role in the

Brian Atlasrelationship like planning dates um what you don't think like the the woman should should follow in her man's lead like I feel like a lot of I was agreeing with you but go ahead oh you

Chaseare okay well not about the paying thing not about the paying Brian doesn't like paying not about right right Bri Brian doesn't want to pay he doesn't want to build any houses houses he wants to slide into the DMS and have her come

Emily/Jackie (mixed)over with zero Financial investment beautiful that's great cheapest approach possible boom no modern solutions to Modern Problems like in other in other

Emily/Jackie (mixed)societies like not Western culture in other cultures men were Pro like required to show like bank statements and financial like bank accounts just to prove that they could like financially provide for a woman like no that's true

Emily/Jackie (mixed)like that's honestly that's honestly based yeah in a lot of cultures men were literally required to show like this is how much money I have this is my taxes I can provide for her let me I agree with that I agree with

Brian Atlasthat I also you know in Old in some of those societies where they had to show like bank statements or had to like show I don't know bars of gold or some I don't know also they would be like

Brian Atlasthey had to look at the and make sure the Hyman was intacted hello does that that actually happen but I feel like if you want that then shouldn't women be virgins that there's no way to tell if a Heyman intact is the result of

Brian Atlaslosing your virginity actually that is true however I'm just saying I'm not saying it's right I'm just saying that's how it used to be son and also like but back then they didn't have a microscope to go up there and check if it was no you you don't need a

Brian Atlasmicroscope to look at a highman you just look at it with your eyeballs you can see a highman how did they I can see a hman here get on the T N were you taking like tongs out what do

Brian Atlasyou mean you don't need just spreading I deep in there the Hyman's not deep in there it's literally by the cervix how do you think who am I teaching you female anatomy

Brian Atlashere the heyman's at the entrance of the vagina it's not at the cervix entrance the you actually teaching me Anatomy is it really at the entrance it's not at the cervix I thought it was near the

Brian Atlascervix no the cervix is at the very bottom of theg no the hman is no no no the hman is at the bro why am I teaching women female anatomy hello it's at the

Brian Atlasentrance of the vaginal Canal I the Google search no let's not pull that why how do I know this because I'm a researched I'm a learned man Chase I know these things yeah Brian's right

Chaselike if you were hey all agree all agree with the idea that we need to go back to showing the father bars of gold for his virgin daughter I think that'd be sick like we should totally return to those Traditions not saying that we need to take out calipers and check for himman

Chasewhat do you think about that the whole gold bar himman thing are you down for that no you're not down it's not feminism bro is it not down no no for which part the gold bar

Brian Atlaspart or the pman part not The Virginity The Virginity thing okay okay we'll come back to that we'll come back to oh God uh okay so Emily hold on all right you

Brian Atlassaid that uh wait okay hold on so okay if that's what men were and are

Brian Atlasexpected to do so be traditional gentleman who Accord a lady take her out on lots of dates hold the door get flowers provide

Emily/Jackie (mixed)Etc what are women expected to do um well you you create a home obviously if you're dating longterm and you live with somebody so like but but

Brian Atlaslet me ask you a question though let let me try to clarify so wom it seems to me that women demand men on the very early on in the relationship to adhere to

Brian Atlasthese traditional gender rules but women say well that's because months or years down the road maybe possibly I will have your kids and I will be the

Brian Atlascaretaker of the home I'm asking upfront what are women expected to do because you can go on the first date with a guy and and expect him to pay for the first

Brian Atlasdate and there's like asking what women are expected to do usually it's have sex like traditionally speaking no no no no modern modern day so men yeah no but I'm

Emily/Jackie (mixed)asking from a traditional what are women expected to do well traditionally speaking there would not be a lot of time in between the the dating and then finally getting married it would be a

Emily/Jackie (mixed)more like a quicker kind of how quick I'd say traditionally lots of and this still even happens in the South people get married like very early around like 21 22 like especially in the South where

Emily/Jackie (mixed)it's more traditional women and men will get married very early on and then the woman is already performing her role in the house so it's like more of a matter of how long are you going to date

Brian Atlassomebody you're making but okay but we do also live in modern times so I guess my argument I'm trying to make is is that women even feminist women or modern women still demand and expect men to

Brian Atlasadhere to their traditional gender roles when it comes to protecting providing paying for first AIDS Etc so again I'm asking if these are all things that men are expected to do early on in the

Emily/Jackie (mixed)relationship what are women expected to do oh I think that's particular to every man actually there' be not really because like every well let's I'd rather let the women answer

Emily/Jackie (mixed)this feel like a lot of men would agree on what they would traditionally want her to give them but I feel like some men like he said he wants a woman to be there and be his entire support system so I feel like that's he could probably

Brian Atlasspeak for a lot of men but but okay you've listed like I'm sure all the women here could list like a dozen things or a handful of things that you expect a guy to do fairly early on in a

Brian Atlasrelationship so I'm asking what do you think men expect you to do or to bring early on in a relationship or the courtship process I would say good behavior

Brian Atlasprobably well that's expected of both men and women hold on let's let the girls answer okay no no no go ahead do you have more this is a great question do you have more um no actually I I want to hear what

Chaseeverybody else has to say okay here we actually here we'll go with you we'll go around then we'll end with you go ahead well I think it would be good to establish who does think courtship traditional courtship is cool you said you were like 50/50 no she wants men to

Chasepay for the first AE so she's not 50/50 first a but are are we also talking about courtship like traditional courtship or no well she wants I'm assuming you want that um like courtship is a very

Brian Atlasspecific term yeah what is that I don't know exactly what that dating I think we're getting away from the okay for example in your video you say you want a guy to pay for the first date right okay so that's what you're

Pearl Botsexpecting the guy to do what are women expected to do yeah um I would say that the beginning stages of a relationship

Pearl Botsboth parties are signaling the value that they offer to each other so a man by paying for the first date is signaling provider energy so I think what the woman brings is signaling to a

Pearl Botsman that she can bring feminine energy so that's by not being overly masculine that's by being a nurturing presence that's by being interested in what he has it's getting to know his mission his

Pearl Botsvalues and seeing they if they align with hers and it's signaling to him like I will also allow you to be this masculine role in my life and that's also what I'm looking for um so that's

Pearl Botswhat I would do and that's how I've found success people can do whatever they want um that's what I would say I bring to the table the question again is like what I bring to I feel like I completely agree

Chaselike I feel like it's not what you bring it's like what what should be expected of you if you're expecting the man to take that masculine role and pay for the dates and you well here let me really

Brian Atlasquick just yes or no uh who should pay for the first date um I would I would like if the man paid for the first date the man who asked me yeah the

Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)man I like the man but be fine with 50/50 sure the man the man um the man

Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)unless I don't like him I think whoever asks should pay well for first date speci who who here has

Brian Atlasasked out a guy no and if you well and if you have if you had to break up the percentage more often than not who's asking who go

Brian Atlasahead oh well are you asking me if I've asked yeah have you asked out the guy no have you asked out the guy yeah more often than not though who's asking who definitely guys are asking girls what

Brian Atlaspercentage for you 90% the guys asking maybe one time you as yeah yeah one time she asked a guy out okay I have I'd say it's like 802 sure guy asking I will

Brian Atlaspitch the idea but then he'll ask so I'm not sure what that means but okay I've never asked guy never asked a guy out I have not huh I haven't Emily no but so

Brian Atlaswhat how can you sit there and in good faith say whoever asks should pay yet you know by your own admission that it's just almost I don't know if it's naive or just glossing over the fact that de

Emily/Jackie (mixed)facto we know that men have to take initiative and men are the askers well well no I that's you're assuming that I've never ever paid for a date before I feel like that's no we're talking about you said whoever asked I've never asked

Brian Atlassomebody I've never asked them on a date so yeah I'm saying if I ask a man on a date I would pay for it because I'm asking them to go out and spend time with but whoever asks should pay is it it ignores the fact that men are almost

Brian Atlasoverwhelmingly being the initiators in the vast majority of heterosexual romantic relationships yeah I feel like if you want to take a woman out and you're asking to take her out you should

Brian Atlaspay for it right but saying whoever asks should pay ignores the fact that there is a burden on men to be the askers because we as men we can't just sit back

Emily/Jackie (mixed)and wait for women to come to us and ask us out on dates because it happens so infrequently yeah I guess it's specific to the situation like if you're already dating someone like I've already dated somebody and I was like hey you want to

Emily/Jackie (mixed)go get ice cream and then I paid for it because I asked them to go go do it like I I suggested it they didn't it wasn't their idea it was something I wanted like that's where I've done that but I've never went went up to man and say hey you want to go on a date with me so I don't know that experience I've never

Brian Atlashad to do that but whoever saying whoever asks should pay you may as well just say men should pay because we know that women well yeah cuz women don't really ask men out on dates right so I wouldn't date a man he's not going to ask me out that's what I'm saying I'm

Emily/Jackie (mixed)not going to date a man that's not going to be confident to ask me out like I'm not going to so there's there's never I'm going to have to do my point okay fine what's wrong with men paying for the first date yeah I have some thoughts

Brian Atlason that I got some thoughts what's wrong with it Brian well I and I interrupted myself to ask the who should pay question but we were going around

Brian Atlason what is what is expected what are women expected to do so if we're talking about I think all of you said you'd like a return to dating as it used to be seen

Brian Atlasin old movies traditional gentlemen who will Court a lady take her out on Lots of dates hold the door buy flowers Etc so if that's the expectation for

Ava Mariemen what are women expected to do I think we left off at you maybe or maybe it was you so this is like in the scheme of like the general scope of the relationship not like just the first

Ava Mariedate you mean I'd say early on early on early on I mean obviously you're getting to know the person right so I think just show both of you are doing that though yeah I mean but showing interest in him

Ava Marielike both of you are doing that I mean yeah you support the conversation maybe I do bring him something depending on time of year birthday I don't know occasion whatever like life life I don't

Brian Atlasknow like I've given guys gifts you know what I mean it depends I'm not even necessarily talking uh something tangible like paying for a date or a gift or something but what about you go

Jacquelineahead um I think she brings loyalty and then bring that too but okay do they though I mean I don't know not as much as women I don't think they bring loyalty okay women bring loyalty I think

Jacquelineon the first date are you loyal on the first date oh we're talking first date okay well what do women bring on first date they make you feel good right you get giddy you get butterflies they make you feel good I mean that's goes both

Kylieways but okay yeah okay go ahead so we're talking first first date what first few dates early on in the

Kylierelationship okay I feel like mind

Kyliewe're talking in a traditional sense right sure yeah okay I'm so sorry can you can you say it one more

Brian Atlastime okay please don't make me repeat myself one more time so she said she wishes dating was how it used to be seen in old movies traditional gentlemen who will Court a lady take her out on lots

Brian Atlasof dates hold the door buy flowers Etc a lot of you said I I agree with that that's how it ought to be that's how it should be maybe some of you have that expectation with the men that you're interested in dating so if that's what

Brian Atlasmen are expected to do to pay for first AIDS hold the door be gentlemen be protectors be providers I'm asking you very simply what are women expected to

Kyliedo I would say modest be what be modest okay sure definitely modest um lady like

Alisure feminine okay gentle good y just sure what about you um letting him lead the conversation I don't know I me

Alipersonally I just want like a guy to know that like I'm going to take I'm going to let him take the lead and just you know vent to me you know just sure

Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)that um I guess just being feminine and looking good being feminine and looking good okay um yeah looking good and be a

Tiffany/Jackie (mixed)good listener and also I think think you can kind of like hype the guy up to make him feel like they can protect you okay Emily do you have more down yeah so um I

Emily/Jackie (mixed)agree with a lot of the things that um they said where you know gentleness femininity um all of those traits which um elevate a man's status so what you're actually doing as a woman going on a

Emily/Jackie (mixed)date with a man you are elevating his status you're signaling to other men that he is capable of providing and attracting a high value woman like that that is elevating his status to other men because it's it's a virtue signal

Emily/Jackie (mixed)that he can get this many women or this specific woman and keep her so yeah I think it's and it's always been this way a man back in the day seen with a very nice pretty girl on his arm was

Brian Atlasconsidered a good it was respectable and it brought him respect value and it's yeah it's like esteem issue if that's my girlfriend perhaps but I frankly if I'm meeting you at like a lounge for a drink

Brian Atlasor a coffee I don't give a what anybody in the coffee care what she looks like that's what I'm talking about that's what I'm saying I don't care about the other men in the bar and like oh look at me I've got a hot girl I hope

Emily/Jackie (mixed)these other guys notice me and think I'm super cool cuz I'm on a date with the hot sh is you want don't give a what is it you want so you're saying you would walk into a date with a woman dressed like let's say like someone off the street right she doesn't care about

Chaseher it is the point though to other men hold on hold on Brian's talking about behaviors that he's looking for in women okay so so Brian what is it what what behaviors would you expect well the point I'm

Brian Atlastrying to make with this question is you listed all these things as how you want traditional treatment but I went around the entire table and a lot of the women

Brian Atlashere had difficulty articulating what given that the man would be doing all these traditional things you had difficulty articulating what your end of the bargain is what you're supposed to

Brian Atlasbe bringing as a in the more traditional courtship let's say um you don't need even know what you got to do on your end of the bargain and I see all this all the time on the show on dating apps

Brian Atlaswomen will talk endlessly about all the things they want in the guy from looks to personality to money yet what are you bringing to the table to deserve that sort of thing and you need to ask

Brian Atlasyourself the reason I bring this up does the guy that you want want you you want that traditional treatment what are you moving through the world in such a way

Brian Atlasthat is deserving of being able to secure that type of guy because if you want a man a good man who looks a certain way who's attractive has a certain status makes good money it's not

Brian Atlasabout what you want it's about what does he want so what is it that you want Brian well okay if want I'm saying like if a lot of these a lot of women want the traditional treatment they want courtship they want guys to pay for

Brian AtlasFirst Dates low body count the lower body count the better if you have a past of promiscuity how if you're for

Brian Atlasexample I don't even want to go on a date with a girl that's entertaining another guy who's dating another guy who's sleeping with another guy so a lot of people and men do this too but if you're moving in such a way where you're

Emily/Jackie (mixed)sleeping with other men you have a guy that you're sleeping with and then you expect traditional treatment it's not going to happen I think I was agreeing with you cuz I'm saying like if if obviously if a woman looks like she

Emily/Jackie (mixed)promiscuous and has a high body count that's not going to elevate your status that's what I'm saying being a high value woman is what you bring to the other side of the table sure let me make a couple points here cuz what we're

Chasetalking about in this conversation it's like we're we're reaching to reclaim how things were in the past we're talking about this concept of courtship right courtship is a process that historically

Chasehas been used to bring a man and a woman together under the guidance of the woman's father in order to preserve her chastity so that the two of them can get married right this is a process that's

Chasereserved for traditional women done by traditional men can you close the doors it's funny cuz like as I'm sitting here at this table it's it's evident to me like this is you guys want this traditional treatment like I think every

Chaseevery woman dreams of it you know you hear the story about the guy who built the woman the house in the notebook it's like wow that's so romantic that's so sweet right like that's that's like a traditional thing and I think all women in their hearts of Hearts like they want

Chasea guy who's traditional like that who wants to pursue them and wants to love them would you guys agree with that yeah yes that behavior like historically yeah the agreement was a

Chaseguy would pursue a woman like that in a courtship only those two people would be talking so if like if I was courting you for example the agreement would be you would not be talking to anybody else I

Chasewould not be talking to anybody else courtship was also something was that was reserved typically for virgins right women were virgins throughout history we can rail about the patriarchy all we want but part of a father's job was to protect his daughter's Chastity because

Chasethere's a lot of bad men out there right like we We're Dreaming of like reclaiming this thing from the past but it requires both men and women to actually do each of their roles which is

Chaseto Brian's Point like it's traditionally speaking a woman's job to preserve her Chastity and a woman who preserves her Chastity is going to Warrant that kind of traditional treatment from a Man compared to you know if a woman's

Chasesleeping around with a bunch of different guys and then she's like no I want you to treat me traditionally he's going to look at her and be like well you weren't traditional up until now like why should I why should I roll out the red carpet when you just gave

Chaseyourself so easily to all these other guys right that's like that's the mental conundrum that the guys have it makes it challenging for them the ideal I think is for both sexes to return to this tradition but it requires both men and

Brian Atlaswomen to fix their behavior and I think that starts with every single one of us yeah and to add to just the body count thing so in the same way that a lot of the women here wish for that return to tradition traditional courtship men

Brian Atlaspaying for First Dates men providing men being protectors men opening the door for you etc etc uh and most people wouldn't have any

Brian Atlasissue with you saying that if I as a guy say I wish women were still virgins or heck even had a sub five body count who are modest both in behavior and appearance not blasted in plastic

Brian Atlassurgery wanted to be submissive followed my lead were not quarrelsome who knew how to take care of the internal affairs of the household I would get looked at

Brian Atlasas whoa misogynist misogynist how dare you but that's the opposite side of the coin of the traditional demands that you want from men yep you're equating that

Jacquelineto opening a car door flowers like flowers car door like paying for a $10 date like those are such like tiny simple things things versus like what you're asking about a woman is like

Ava Mariewhat's already been of her past so in your case past matters though you no I'm not not saying that but I'm asking like so in order to go on a date for you personally with a woman do you talk to her for a while and ask her about her

Ava Mariebody count before the date happens just so you make sure that you pay for someone who has only had less than five because she also can lie and she'll never know so it's like I hope she

Ava Mariewouldn't though I I hope she wouldn't lie because I think honest because you're basing actions on the first dat based off of who she is or what she's already done so it's like not a physical

Ava Marieor like even a behavioral thing really it's like yeah she can put neck on count body counts pretty behavioral but I'm saying like in that first date like like that stuff that she already had done regardless that you know what I mean so

Brian Atlasit's like she can put a turnt on that on and say she's never been with anybody but it's like well I I certainly hope that our first interaction is not predicated on deception and a lie but I'm just curious for you is that like your Norm of like you usually like to

Brian Atlastalk to a woman and ask her those certain question I typically would I'll have a qu a conversation with a woman beforehand I might not just outright be like how many dudes have you but I might try to ask some questions what's

Brian Atlasyour relationship history that can sort of give me an inkling okay she's dated maybe th this many guys that could be a slight indicator does she drink does she party does she go to bars nightclubs Etc let me look at her Instagram that could

Brian Atlaspotentially be an indicator granted there's a lot of women who are very assuming they might be a bit shy they might actually present modestly but secretly they have quite a past so it's

Brian Atlasnot always a perfect indicator but we as men we will try to sus out these things through alternative means um but I'm also okay just outright asking so okay

Jacquelinewhat's it what's your body count I'll ask that's crazy that you put so much importance on body count like that's just so crazy to me why is it crazy cuz I just don't see why it matters like why does it matter what I

Jacquelinemean like I can understand like if she cheated okay she cheated okay that's I get that how many people she chose to sleep with I don't understand how that is like relevant at all all well so for

Brian Atlasfor I I'll answer that and there's a there's a ton of reasons why I think one of the mo probably one of the most important reasons at least for me is that when I'm dating a girl I want her

Brian Atlaseven on the first date I want her undivided sexual and romantic attention if she's going out and dating other men sleep with other men first off I don't even that's not a woman that I even want

Brian Atlasto pursue I want a woman to be properly single when I'm even first meeting her and I think a lot of people don't move

Brian Atlasthat way um so body count your past is proxy for promise cuity Pro promiscuity is proxy for there's a good chance that when I'm talking to her when I meet her

Brian Atlasshe's got another guy in the picture there's another guy that she's sleeping with to me that's gross I don't want to I don't want to date you I don't want to kiss you I don't want to have I certainly don't want to have sex with a woman who's having sex with another man so is that complicated for you to

Brian Atlasunderstand or does that kind of make a sense totally understand but so so somebody who has a high body count that can be a proxy for current promiscuity so if you have a high body count you could be sleeping there's a greater

Brian Atlaslikelihood that you're sleeping with another guy while I'm talking to you I certainly don't want that also if you have a high body count greater likelihood of STD and also you've you've

Brian Atlasstarted to the more sexual partners you have the greater difficulty it come when it comes to pair bonding with somebody if you've had 50 previous sexual partners and I'm number 51 I'm you're not going to view me in a particularly

Brian Atlasspecial way at least that's my view and I think we all both men and women want to be viewed as special to our potential romantic Partners to our potential future husbands and wives if I'm number

Brian Atlas51 I'm Number 101 like that's that's and the big thing also this is a differential between men and women so I could list a bunch of of examples that I think apply to both men and women STDs I think it's the case for

Brian Atlasboth men and women you could certainly make arguments that um that the actual Act of sexual intercourse the transmission rate might be diff there might be a differential there perhaps women are more susceptible to getting an

Brian AtlasSTD than the reverse for various reasons due to Anatomy but we don't need to get into that um the big difference though that does not exist in women that does exist in men and I would argue this is a

Brian Atlasevolutionary psychology basis biological basis is paternity uncertainty so men it's it's not even necessarily an intellectual thing a woman who's

Brian Atlaspromiscuous you cannot guarantee the paternity of your child if she's promiscuous how you get a DNA test and well but that doesn't undo hundreds of thousands of years of evolution so for

Brian Atlasexample a woman who has 10 husbands right if she sleeps with all of them who's the father whereas a man who has 10 wives you know who the father

Brian Atlasis in each of those inst instances so women can if you have a child you know with certainty that the child is yours obviously because of just the anatomical and biological reality that women are

Brian Atlasthe ones who give birth but women we since we don't give birth we cannot with certainty know if the child is ours so one of the best ways to be certain of that is one if she's a virgin or two we

Brian Atlasknow that she's not promiscuous and has a low body count I have a question sure um and do you want to respond to that or maybe you resp

JacquelineI I don't know I guess I'm just not I'm just I I I somewhat understand like what you're saying why are women attracted to tall men tall tall men why are women attracted to muscular men cuz they can

Brian Atlasprotect them maybe this like I don't know like giving but is it okay sure right so in that same way men are attracted to women who are not

Brian Atlaspromiscuous it it's like uh it's ingrained in us whoever's going to further your bloodline really well because you mentioned you mentioned um well we have DNA tests now but DN be

Brian Atlasjust because we have this invention of of human Brilliance doesn't undo again the fact that there's been hundreds of thousands of years of evolution it's ingrained in us as men and again this

Brian Atlasthing does not exist in women paternity there when it comes to the maternity I guess or whatever this it's impossible to exist in women because when you have a child

Brian Atlasyou know with certainty that that that's your child but you could be hooking up with another dude we don't know that kid might not be ours that so men have a more natural

Brian Atlasrevulsion to female promiscuity than the reverse not to say that I think women are totally justified in h taking issue and coral with male promiscuity however there's not that ingrained biological

Chaseand evolutionary basis that exists in men it's it's this simple let's say I'm talking to two women one of them has a zero body count

Chasethe other has a body count to 50 which one of them do you think I'm going to feel more confident in her um being like which one do you think will inspire more

Chaseconfidence in her Fidelity long term 50 I'm just kidding the Virgin right exactly and it's just it's a natural immediate Instinct right and it's it's it's really

Chasethat simple it's like our our biology our DNA like it's it it it hunts for that like Purity and there is there is like a revulsion a revulsion towards that promiscuity because it is

Chasebiologically very dangerous for a man to commit to a woman who might sleep with another man who he might end up raising the child of like it's thousands of years of like programming don't you

Jacquelinethink there's Purity in a girl that is loyal to you regardless of Body Count like she's talk about like sexual Purity yeah but I just mean like taking away body count let's say she has a lot of body count but she's loyal to you she's

Chasenever slept with anyone but you since being with you isn't there Purity in that too like why is it just like I wouldn't call that like Purity I would call it loyalty but the question of why it matters is like for example okay so

Chaseyou could have a woman who has a 50 body count and she could be the most loyal woman in the world but a man is still going to want to know hey how did that happen like what what like if a guy cares about body count he's going to want to know how did that happen what

Chasehappened there what compelled you to sleep with all of these men like what was the pattern that unfolded what was it in your psychology like he's probably going to want to understand that if it's something that he cares about because

Chaseultimately at the end of the day it's like is this woman going to be loyal to me in the future like loyalty is extremely extremely important obviously to both sexes you know that's one aspect of it another aspect of it too is like

Chaselike Brian was talking about before us men are extremely territorial when it comes to women that we're really into like if if a guy doesn't really care about a woman that much like he might not care if she's seeing other

Chaseguys but if a guy really likes a woman and he really loves her he's not going to want to share her with other men in the present or in the past you know it's like it's it's a sex is a very sacred thing you know part

Chaseespecially from a man towards a woman and obviously no woman wants a guy who's going to cheat on her but it's it's it's different like for us men it's a very territorial thing like

Chasethat's your woman like you don't want another man touching her and you know her past can affect that who do you think cheats more men or women I think on average it's men why do you think I think it's I I saw a stat the other day

ChaseI think it was like divorce statistics and how many of those divorces are filed because of adultery and I think the statistic was like 34% it was the women woman cheating and 38% was the men man

Chasecheating I think it was slightly higher for men too much of a difference what was your question though you asked why do you think that is yeah well I think I think you know it's bi I mean

Chasebiologically speaking men like we have a a biological drive to spread our seed as far as possible it's just part of our nature that doesn't mean it has to dominate us but like it's

Chasejust part of our nature you know a lot of got like you know guys will I know guys who have cheated on their girlfriends and they typically just cheat because they feel an impulsive physical desire and that's like that's

Chasereally like it's hard to describe what it's like being a guy but like you know when you've got test like your body's like yo we've got loads we got to deliver like get them out you know uh it's it's different like women are kind

Chaseof wired more emotionally towards sex whereas guys are much more like physical like I need to get this out of my system and I think that's why guys more often cheat okay like cheating for women is

Chaselike it's sex in general for women is typically a very emotional process like if you I imagine you guys would agree like if you don't feel an emotional connection with a guy you're probably not going to want to sleep with him would you agree with that yeah yeah it's

Brian Atlasnot the same for men often times you know guys will just have sex with a woman I'm going to try to uh blast through some of these chats here that are going to come in and um hold on that one thing oh really quick on the body

Brian Atlascount thing you mentioned like why does the pass matter um I mean I would argue I mean you certainly a woman who used to a woman who used to be

Brian Atlaspromiscuous and is no longer promiscuous is more desirable than a woman who has a passive promiscuity and ongoing promiscuity but I would also say that a woman who doesn't have a past of

Brian Atlaspromiscuity and is currently not promiscuous is more desirable than the other things too um but if past doesn't matter let me go around the table on this would you date a guy who has slept

Ava Mariewith men yes no I'm not sure maybe yeah okay

Jacquelineno oh huh but hold on I thought that is past doesn't sexual that's sexual preference though like that I don't know that's like okay so you wouldn't dat a

Brian Atlasguy who's by no okay let's say he used to but not anymore he's straight now it doesn't work that way no maybe you know you're either buyer you're not well

Jacquelinelet's say it's been like 5 years he hasn't slept with man no the potential I the potential in the future it could happen right oo

Brian AtlasBing wait the potential in the future it could happen oh man that was rich yeah well exactly exactly why body count matters because body count is an indicator for uh infidelity I don't know sleep with a lot

Ava Marieof people like they've done studies on this they've done studies the light bulb just go off no I don't think it indicates oh sorry I don't think your p i mean the thing is I agree it's hard

Ava Mariefor people to change but I don't necessarily think your past indicates like I'm not going to assume my partner is going to do something based on something he's done in the past I would rather trust who he

Brian Atlasis in this present moment what he's doing if you if you met a guy and he cheated on his past 10 girlfriends that's different that's different he cheated but you're just saying

Brian Atlaspromiscuity you're not saying that all these women every single of their 50 body count was a cheating inent no that's not what I'm saying but they they've actually done numerous studies

Brian Atlason this numerous studies and promiscuity is a very strong indicator for infidelity very strong indicator and I would I would arue that past

Brian Atlasbehavior is typically a very strong indicator for future behavior um but going around the table would you date a guy who slept with men

Brian Atlasno no huh no don't lie Tiffany come on oh Emily's gone okay let me get these chats guys sorry we had to mute them because we're just getting too many so I'm just going to go ahead and uh

Brian Atlastrigger all of these pretty much all one after the other sorry if it you know I know we say instant TTS but it was just getting too disruptive Raven DT donated $100 I was serious

TTS Donationsabout you cannot do ative check to look for Ayman they come in many different shapes and you cannot tell if there was penetration or not this has been

Brian Atlasdebunked check out mama do Jones OBG y yes I'm I'm aware that the presence of a highman or lack of presence of a highman is not an indicator necessarily for virginity I was more so just trying to

Brian Atlasmake a point about virginity being something that was that's uh value typically in men we have Vash Stampede thank you man vcore theore Stampede donated

TTS Donations$99 Emily you're so amazing she she's behind the scenes but she up holding Traditional Values I grew up Mormon and have been disheartened by the promiscuity of the modern feminist I

Brian Atlaswould rule simp City and build you a house Brian your and game is on point what okay my all right oh hold on

Brian Atlasyo before you show that to her can I respond to grids right there uh no no no let me let me just get through these hold on uh Nickelodeon can we get a vote in chat what's more obnoxious Chase longwinded rants or TTS that keeps

Brian AtlasBrian's lights on PS did your BF teach you the difference between nationalism and joining the KKK what oh this is this is for her this is

TTS Donationsrany wait what saint uncore easy donated $99 what are women supposed to do not a feminist haha okay thank you st reezy

Brian Atlasdid you want to respond to Nickelodeon what did he say the I thought he was talking to you no he's talking to you your boyfriend brand yeah well he's not

TTS Donationsmy boyfriend yet but yeah okay all right um Emily this one just came through

TTS Donationswait Vore theore Stampede donated $99 Emily you're so amazing thank you for upholding Traditional Values I grew

TTS Donationsup Mormon and have been disheartened by the promiscuity of the modern feminist I would rule simp City and build you a house Brian your highman game is on point beautiful do you have a response

TTS Donationsto grid One Motorsports that's pretty based or sorry that was Vash the Stampede excuse me not gri Vash the Stampede was based thank you all right we have grid One Motorsports grid 1 Motorsports donated

TTS Donations99 Bas Emily my wife keeps me around because I build things it is what I do she did not marry me because I talk about sweet things she married me

TTS Donationsbecause I get things done made her feel safe and since the day we met she has been the only one all right we have thank you man thank you good woman all

TTS Donationsright we have Raven DT here oh Raven DT donated $100 body count is directly proportional to The Way She Moves In the sexual SL

TTS Donationsdating Marketplace and her overall sexual Temperance if a woman has slept with 100 men then it means she doesn't respect herself so why would she respect you as a

Jacquelinemate disagree you disagree I totally disagree with that and I would flip it too and I would say um do you give that same kind of standard to men like do like that's that it bugs me to my core

Jacquelineand I think like the thing is I'm not a feminist or anything like that but what bugs me to my core is the double standard of men can do whatever they want they can stick their dick in whatever they want and it's cool but God

Jacquelineforbid a woman have multiple sexual partners that it it bugs the out of me cuz put your same logic to yourself and who should pay for the first dat the

Brian Atlasman that's a double standard there's all kinds of double standards that happen to exist some benefit men some benefit women I would say though I don't my personal view on promiscuity I don't

TTS Donationsthink it's good for either either gender MH I don't think it's a granted I do think that there are some differences hold on I'll I'll come back to that $11 women always admitting that they are

TTS Donationsthemselves the Liars through the statement SL question she could lie imagine using a hypothetical of of lying as an argument tells a lot about you and your character Li Brian Plaza host the

Brian Atlaspodcast not Chase all right well there you have it thank you Jak appreciate it um I what were you saying sorry I was saying I I don't understand

Brian Atlaswhy you think that a man paying on the date is the equivalent of like a double standard well it is it's an expectation that you have on men that you don't hold for yourself or for other women that is a double standard doesn't the man ask

Brian Atlasthe woman huh the man asked the woman though so so why would he ask but it's a double um again there are double standards that benefit women there are double standards that benefit men it is what it is I don't think it's desirable

Brian Atlasfor men or women to be promiscuous because I mean one I don't think like there's this Trope about oh it's high value to like it's high value for a guy to just like sleep with a bunch of

Brian AtlasChicks first off like the risk of STDs I don't think it's high value if you catch herpes and you're going to be bringing your future wife or children uh a disease yeah so like I don't care how

Brian Atlasattractive or how rich you are if you're bringing your future partner some sort of like VD that's not high status or cool um so yeah it's

Emily/Jackie (mixed)certainly not Alpha to have herpes in my view um but uh I think men should be held to that standard she's talking about a little bit whereas like that yeah don't just stick your dick in

Emily/Jackie (mixed)anything because then but yeah but then women would also just naturally follow into your into your lead most of the time into the lead of the man and not donated

TTS Donations$100 I have a body count of seven one was a marriage that ended in divorce the rest were in the purit of long-term relationships good men who want marriage

Brian Atlasare not whoring themselves around either yeah I mean the difference is when it comes to the double standard those I would argue that there there is a differential in so far as it's rather difficult comparatively speaking it's

Brian Atlashard for men to get laid whereas it's very easy for women to get laid so for a guy to be able to sleep with a lot of women even though I don't think that that's necessarily a good thing to some

Brian Atlasdegree that's impressive whereas it's not impressive for a woman to sleep with a lot of men because it's very easy for women to get laid oras it's rather difficult for men to get laid agree

Brian Atlasdisagree sounds like on know I agree with that like any single girl here if you're so inclined it's 8:30 p.m. on a Sunday like you could go download the

Brian Atlasdating app and like go get laid tonight even even below average looking women nearly here's here's what I've said before nearly any woman if she wanted to could be a

Brian AtlasI would argue a very small proportion of men can be they might want to but the difference is the is the capacity to do

Brian Atlasit I would say maybe like the top 10% of men can around top three maybe yeah well also when it comes to sexual pull I would argue that take an average woman's sexual pull in order for a man to get

Brian Atlasthe same degree of sexual attention from women that women that an average woman gets from a man he needs to be like an aess celebrity a top tier like so we're

Brian Atlastalking top tier athlete musician point where like Nick what are you okay gutin Guillotine um so like there's just so

Brian Atlasmany differences when it comes to that but um here let me get this last chat here we have Jay Butler on the herpes thing he's always talking about Herpes on a long enough timeline if you sleep

TTS Donationswith enough people you will get genital herpes as condoms do not protect from this true 60 bodies equals exposure to 12 infected Partners now you need to be

Brian Atlastaken out to pasture and be put down filthy filthy filthy filthy okay there you have it thank you uh Jay Butler appreciate it let me get some of these super chats here uh one sec here

Brian Atlasguys I'm just waiting okay we have grid One Motorsports wife is VP for number one Investment Bank in the US it is a tough job most her o uh female co-workers have moved to less demanding

Brian Atlasjobs more men bail percentage wise than women the toll it takes is high our marriage would not survive if I was not retired okay there you go grid One Motorsports thank you man appreciate it

Brian Atlaswe have modest Chama Jackie work for company in Seattle with women in engineering internship Jackie works for Microsoft only big boys getting away

Brian Atlaswith ignoring affirmative action reversal since penalty is0 relatively Jackie y Ms over Samsung with 20% South

Brian AtlasKorean GD GDP gross domatic product what well first I don't work for Microsoft I work for Amazon oh all right there you have it we have mon chakama Brian I encourage you to not let Chase

Brian Atlasconvince you to pause a raise TTS what is a business literally your words in this episode maybe let Chase no sorry Chase I know you're Bas but that UN based Chase losing you money I mean it's it's sometimes it's a little interrup

Brian Atlasand it so it can interrupt the flow of the conversation we have grid One Motorsports was not aware this was the chase show I've had three chats ignored neat

Brian Atlasoh yeah it's just we had to uh pause it it was just way too interruptive and we I'm we're already behind with some of the other notes I have to get through so sorry grid run Motorsports I didn't mean to push your like an hour out there has

Chaseto be a happy medium between answering them once every hour and a half versus every 30 seconds what does based mean don't worry about it

Brian Atlasum and the if something's like cool and truthful and like in real got you yeah I mean and also I mean I'm open to the chat's feedback because certainly like for example if we had the TTS way too

Brian Atlaslow like if we said it to 20 it would literally be like we wouldn't even be able to have a conversation so I was it was kind of a balance between well I I don't want to boost it but let's pause

Brian Atlasit so it's not instant and we'll just like pick a specific time to do the TTS normally we don't do that normally it's just not so interruptive but it is what it is we have uh grid One Motorsports chats lose relevance when read an hour

Brian Atlasor later yeah sorry man it's just we've gotten in so many so I don't want to have to boost some of the chats but it's just been super frequent frequent this show so uh sorry to sorry to some of you

Brian AtlasI know I really first off I really appreciate your patronage and you guys are spending like good money supporting the show being patrons and I know you guys want your chats to be read as quickly as possible we've just the frequency has been so quick this show

Chasethat uh for the sake of the conversation we just had to do little pauses here and there so appreciate you guys bearing with us on that I apologize too on behalf of Brian that was that was my call I didn't mean for you guys to waste your money on your super chats it was

Brian Atlasjust it was tough because earlier in the show it was like literally every 3 minutes we would get one very frequent we couldn't even have a conversation and I still have like a ton of notes Here I need to get through so uh we'll try to get through them as quickly as possible

Brian Atlasso okay I think we left off with Emily I believe hold on uh oh Emily you said I'm dating for marriage eventually and I look for qualities of a good husband in the people I want to date without even

Brian Atlasconsciously realizing it I feel like that can be hard with the dating culture today because most people want something short-term that doesn't have a lot of boundaries who said this Emily right over here

Brian Atlasyeah I almost feel though like a lot of women will say this but while waiting to find the right guy well you're you're going to have your fun and just have casual sex with boys jerks bad boys

Brian Atlasand not you specifically not you specifically but um so yeah interesting I got some solutions

Chasefor you what are I know a lot of dudes that are looking for traditional women like solid dudes I could hook you up and in like church probably yeah they're almost all Christian yeah here we have

Brian Atlasstran here I'll just get it while it came up uh would you marry a virgin if you could and take your chance they would be bad in bed I I suppose this is for everybody maybe this is directed to the men but I guess we could go around

Pearl Botsthe table would you marry a virgin um I guess I'm not opposed to it but I wouldn't prefer it you wouldn't

Pearl Botsprefer it I wouldn't prefer a virgin versus not a virgin why is that um cuz I want somebody who knows how to have sex

Ava Marieokay I yeah cuz I also feel like I want somebody who know knows how to handle their sexual desire too because if they've never had sex before and then

Ava Mariehave sex and then like become a porn addict or just become addicted and like end up cheating because they have never had to control their sexual desire before and then I don't know controlling

Ava Marietheir desire though but I'm pretty sure they're controlling their desire fairly well but I get what you're saying but you know what I mean like I feel like they could just end up once they have it

Ava Marielike just I don't know not be able to be loyal I don't know cuz I actually knew of this happening once there was this

Ava Mariecouple and she married a guy who was a virgin and then years into their marriage she found out he was like sleeping with prostitutes and she found

Emily/Jackie (mixed)seeds and all this St specific it's a very specific thing for sure and that's not I think it's definitely backwards in what you're talking about I think men that have with more sexual history are definitely more well yeah I'm not saying

Ava Mariethat either I just feel like balance is key for everything so I don't I don't think I would desire someone who's a virgin but I don't desire someone who's

Jacquelineextremely perous though either um yeah I would because sex is so teachable like you can teach somebody what you like like it's very very

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