The Officer Tatum DESTROYS Whatever Podcast?! | Dating Talk #107

Date: 2023-10-09

Duration: 5h 53m

Guests

Brian Atlas

KKiki (Dating Talk #217)>

KKaren (DT217)>

EEileen (DT217)>

DDiana (DT217)>

YYasica (DT217)>

JJulia (DT217)>

CClaudia (DT217)>

BBrandon Tatum >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Brandon Tatum(guest)

SPEAKER_02Claudia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Eileen(guest)

SPEAKER_04Yasica(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Julia(guest)

SPEAKER_09Claudia (overflow)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Diana(guest)

SPEAKER_12Karen (Serena)(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteKaren reveals she just ended a 4-year lesbian relationship and discovered her "lesbian" girlfriend had been cheating with multiple men

“"I just recently found out that I was cheated on with a man... she cheated on me with a man... supposedly multiple men."”

QuoteClaudia discloses she was born with two cervixes (uterine didelphys) and jokes her self-rating should be doubled to 13

“"I would rate myself as a seven but I was born with two uteruses so I count it twice... I have two cervixes, if I had a husband he could touch them both."”

ControversyBrandon Tatum criticizes Fresh & Fit for giving immature advice to young men, saying they come from a broken place

“"I think they come from a very immature place, they come from a very broken place... the guy gave this young man such horrible advice about a woman and told him to go get a side chick."”

QuoteBrian shares story of asking injured girlfriend to prep cucumbers — she did it begrudgingly due to feminist programming, which led to their breakup

“"I had some cucumbers in the fridge, you think you could like prep them for me... I could tell by the chops on the cucumbers it was super begrudging... and that's when I knew."”

QuoteJulia admits she compromised her Christian standard of waiting until marriage with her non-Christian ex and felt most disconnected from God during that relationship

“"When I was in that relationship even though I was in love with him I felt the most disconnected from God and so I knew it was bad but I was like all of your feelings are just... ah."”

QuoteClaudia (psychologist) explains anxious attachment and why women are attracted to avoidant/exciting men

“"We like familiar things... what we find attractive and fun is those exciting adrenaline roller-coaster relationships... the nice guy that wants to go on a date is not clingy — he's treating you right — and that's what we find clingy."”

QuoteBrian delivers self-assessment that he would likely be the type to get divorced if he married

“"I feel as if like not all of us can be Brandon Tatum... I'm kind of the dude that gets divorced... it's kind of brutal self-assessment and self-reflection."”

QuoteBrandon Tatum explains how he manifested his marriage by envisioning it daily while flying alone

“"When I would fly on an airplane by myself I would envision me and my wife traveling together... I would already think about what me and my wife are going to do, our children... if you want it and you see it you believe it in your heart you pursue it."”

QuoteBrian catches Julia contradicting herself: she messaged before the show complaining about men dating younger women, but herself dated a man 14 years older and has a crush on a 23-year-old

“"You said in your pre-show messages 'why do men seek to date and marry girls way younger than them, look for partners your own age' — you recently dated a guy who was 44, a 14-year age gap."”

QuoteBrandon Tatum reveals he has a foot fetish and his wife already knows

“"I am a foot person really... and my wife watching and she already know, she already know."”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Show Announcements

Brian introduces show with streamlabs/merch/BLM plugs; mentions four scheduled guests bailed the night before claiming a mandatory Sunday landlord meeting. Guests introduce themselves: Karen/Serena (38, Bay Area, dental, bisexual), Eileen (24, ASU engineering student, was on Enamórate), Diana (40, real estate, won't marry), Yasica (27, OnlyFans), Julia (29, DC tech consultant, Christian), Claudia (34, neuropsychologist, 2 cervixes), Kate (24, pastry chef), Brandon Tatum (36, Officer Tatum YouTuber, ex-cop, married).

Relationship Status Round

Full round of relationship statuses. Karen: single, just out of 4-yr lesbian relationship, ex cheated with men, now in a situationship. Eileen: single, last relationship 1.5 months (guy from Enamórate TV show). Diana: single 6 years, proposed to twice, sold both rings, doesn't want to get married, one adult son. Yasica: in 5-year relationship. Julia: single ~2 years, was in love with last boyfriend (non-Christian), last relationship ended Jan 2022. Claudia: single ~4 years, celibate. Kate: not fully captured. Brandon Tatum: happily married, wife changed name to Tatum legally.

Karen's Lesbian Relationship and Infidelity Revelation

Karen reveals her 4-year lesbian relationship ended when she discovered her girlfriend (who claimed to be fully lesbian) had been cheating with multiple men. The ex's former boyfriend (who she described as "obsessed" with her) had been visiting while Karen was out of town — visible on ring camera footage. Karen is bisexual; had prior relationships with men.

Women Attracted to Bad Boys / Exciting Men vs Nice Guys

Diana says she finds most men trash. Discussion of why women reward bad boys and find nice/reliable men boring. Brandon Tatum calls for women to reflect on what they present to attract those men. Brian says men respond to women's incentive structure. Guest from psychologist background (Claudia) explains attachment theory and anxious/avoidant attachment styles as root cause of attraction to exciting/unavailable men. Brian argues women both complain about toxic men and reward them.

Who Should Pay on Dates / Gender Roles at Home

Discussion of who pays on first date, second date, moving forward. Brandon Tatum says he always pays and finds it disrespectful for women to contribute. Brian shares story of girlfriend who was reluctant to prep cucumbers for him while he was injured due to "feminist mind virus." Panel split: most women say guy should pay first date; some open to reciprocating later. Brief discussion of making sandwiches — none find it demeaning.

Women's Careers vs Attractiveness to Men

Discussion of whether women's careers/income make them more attractive to men. Brian argues generally no — men are not looking for providers. Diana lists her accomplishments (real estate, insurance broker license). Brandon Tatum says men look for peace, softness, support — not competing careers. Julia makes point that women must support themselves while single but then conflict with what men want. Claudia/psychologist notes there is value in intellectual compatibility.

Officer Tatum's Views on the Red Pill / Fresh & Fit

Chat donor challenges Brandon Tatum for making "hit pieces" against Fresh & Fit while using similar talking points on a "red pill podcast." Brandon clarifies he is neither red pill nor green pill; his criticism of Fresh & Fit is that they come from a broken/immature place and give harmful advice (e.g., telling a young man to get a side chick). He disagrees with their demeaning approach to women. Brian says Whatever is not necessarily a red pill podcast and he brings on guests with different views.

The Chemistry / Spark Discussion

Julia describes an ex who was "perfect" but lacked chemistry and she couldn't reciprocate his passion. Brandon Tatum argues the spark/click can be overrated and that mature love is practical; he and his wife didn't have a dramatic honeymoon spark. Brian questions why women chase the click when it has no bearing on a partner's long-term quality. Panel discusses whether chemistry can develop over time vs. needing to be instant. Julia mentions a 23-year-old crush she met on a Christian retreat.

Christianity, Waiting Until Marriage, and Body Count Standards

Extended discussion centered on Julia's Christian faith and celibacy standard. Julia explains her conversion at 19, her standard of waiting until marriage, how she violated it with a non-Christian ex (January 2022 breakup), and her now-firm rule to only date practicing Christians. Brian challenges the consistency of a woman's new standard after prior sexual activity — men may feel scammed. Brandon Tatum gives nuanced view: Christian men should appreciate a woman genuinely trying, regardless of past. Discussion of pair bonding, body count as proxy for female selectivity, whether low-BC women bond more intensely.

Hypergamy and Dating Apps — Women Chasing Up

Brian delivers extended monologue on hypergamy and dating app dynamics: top 5-10% of men get most female attention on apps; attractive men will sleep with average women but never commit; average women misread sexual access as being in that man's league; they then reject men actually on their level. Brian uses the "6 can get sex from an 8-9 but never commitment" framework. Panel partially agrees. Julia says the best strategy for a woman is not sleeping with a man quickly if she wants commitment.

Marriage vs Committed Cohabitation

Brian questions whether there is a meaningful difference between legal marriage and a committed monogamous life-partnership. Brian expresses a premonition that he would be the type to get divorced. Brandon Tatum pushes back: negative self-talk is the problem, and Brian should manifest a positive marriage instead. Claudia/panel argue marriage has religious, romantic, and social commitment value. Brian says it's pathetic that vows mean nothing in modern divorce culture.

Age Gap Relationships

Brian catches Julia in a contradiction: she messaged before the show saying "why do men seek to date women way younger — date your equal," but she recently dated a 44-year-old (14-year age gap) and has a crush on a 23-year-old (6 years younger). Julia acknowledges the irony. Brian and Brandon discuss how men are biologically attracted to women at peak fertility/physical attractiveness. Discussion of data showing women view 80-90% of men as unattractive; average age gap at marriage (~2 years). Brandon shares his wife wanted a man 10 years older but ended up with him (5 years younger).

Men Showing Emotions / Vulnerability in Relationships

Julia says she finds men showing emotions healthy and affirming. Brandon Tatum says he would never cry in front of his wife; he processes emotions privately or with male friends. Brian argues women lose attraction when men display weakness/vulnerability. Brandon distinguishes between vulnerability in appropriate settings vs. breaking down in front of a woman. Panel compares showing emotions in war/dangerous situations. Julia shares story of her father crying with her over her struggles being single at 29.

Self-Ratings and Body Count Round

Quick self-ratings round (1-10, looks only). Karen: 8. Eileen: 9. Diana: 7. Yasica: 8. Julia: 6. Claudia: 7 (jokes "13" due to two cervixes). Kate: not clearly captured. Brandon Tatum: not asked (male guest). Body count round: Karen: 5. Diana: 50+. Julia: under 10. Claudia: 3 (less than her age). Eileen: significantly less than 24 (Brian jokes multiply by 3). Yasica: not clearly captured.

Transcript

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Brandon Tatumlittle kids I see young women there's nothing a 20-year-old can do for me as a 36- year old man it's not I don't even want to look at them they have no experience in life they've done nothing

Brian Atlasthey need they still got I don't like a woman's experience in life to me is not really something that I'm I'm looking for so what do you want do you want a vessel for your semen like

Juliawhat because because because no but if you don't want if you don't want her as a partner like someone that's that can be equal to you then what do you want so and I don't equal who okay this this

Brian Atlaswhole IDE this whole idea but most most women don't want equal you want a guy who makes more money than you you want a guy who's taller than you you want a guy who's confident you want a guy who's entertaining you gu you want a girl who's more virtuous you want a girl

Juliawho's maybe calmer and will calm you down you want a girl who is probably like beautiful you want a girl who's fertile you want like and that's not going to be a woman that's not going to be a woman who's probably around my

Brandon Tatumage I think I think Brian you you're like you're around the age where women are probably in their Prime is 34 I think I think early 30s

Brandon Tatumearly 30 women is 24 I think I'm not when I say pre when I say Prime physical prime no no when I say Prime I'm not talking about physical I'm not talking about any of that I'm talking about the

Brandon Tatumwhole package of a woman yes that's what I think when they're 25 I mean just you're going to deal with I think you may deal with a lot of immature women when you're 25 they're not going to

Brandon Tatumunderstand you and unless they raised by quality parents now if they got good parents and they rais in a household that's that's that has them in a position where they're very mature a 25y old woman will be incredible but when

Brandon Tatumyou're 30 when you're in your 30s 20 year old women are in a different generation than you are they don't understand the things that you would understand as a mature man in your 30s headed into your late 30s I think I

Brandon Tatumcould be wrong but I'm just saying for me when I was you know when I'm in my 30s I 18 and 20 year olds and 21 22 I never even thought about dating it girls

Brian Atlasthat young what I would say is that there are plenty of women in any age that are immature that are toxic

Brian Atlasthat are flag that in any age group so it's not like just because a woman's that that means that she's magically going to be a fantastic partner

Brian Atlasnow also there's often a common thing that comes up with this conversation is well what do you have in common with someone who's you know 5 years younger than you 10 years younger than you

Brian Atlaswhatever it may be commonality is not a is not very high on the totem pole in my view when it comes to romantic partners and I think that's the case for both men

Brian Atlasand women she doesn't like the same movies as I like I don't really care commonality what what do men and women have in common really to begin with it's so so commonality is not super important

Brian Atlasto me what I will say and I've got a list here of kind of like why you might want to date a woman who's key Weir just clarification here woman so adult woman

Brian Atlascuz people are trying trying to want to shift it into okay you're okay so more physical attractive I would say more emotionally available more romantic more more energy optimistic for the future uh

Brian Atlasmore time to live life and travel the world before starting a family more more fertile less baggage and Trauma that's really big the more relationships you've had you get more baggage you have more relationship more relationship trauma

Brian Atlasyou're jaded there's only room for one jaded person in this relationship and that's me oh okay more open to new ideas um more agreeable typically easier to

Brian Atlasbuild a life with um less likely to have gotten with like we were talking about before the long the more sexual partners you've had you've probably landed on a guy who's a top G and I don't

Brian Atlaswant to be like you're going to be like when in the dark recesses of your mind once you've been with a really top guy

Brandon Tatumyou're not going to be happy with Mr normal I think I do think women will probably answer this I mean some of you guys have guys and some of the guys in

Brandon Tatumthe past are you couldn't even like you have no recollection emotionally with that person I mean I don't know if that's the way you got some women get over that they don't have no feeling for the

Brandon Tatumguy anymore and it's like a blur in their mind just like me my wife was like you slept with some girl and I'm like I don't even remember I have no recol I don't even know what it was like I I just know I slept with the girl but I don't know what it's like I'm so far

Claudia (overflow)removed from that at this point that it's not really adding any issues to my life but Brian I think you're also generalizing women in that I agree with you women younger

Claudia (overflow)women are more physically attractive and that's where our Prime is they're more fertile but also women like he said in their early 30s or maybe early like

Claudia (overflow)later in their in their 20s they some women have done their work they've gone to therapy they've done their work they they have got got in their careers and they're there take care of you they're

Claudia (overflow)going to they're going to stop partying like one thing that we talk what we talked about me and my my my f my preacher F we're going to do it but um I'm going to get rid of my Instagram

Claudia (overflow)because that's something that I that we talked about and I'm I decided yes because I want to do this I want to stop partying I'm I'm dedicating my life to you um and um we're not all the same

Claudia (overflow)he's going he's going to start going to therapy because we're we both doing this together it's not that wait let me just wait I'm not I'm not finished the thing

Claudia (overflow)I'm telling you is that not all women are bringing excess baggage are bringing have been train the reality of Life the

Brian Atlaslonger you've lived the the more likely you are to have a crude baggage and Trauma wiser you are but I have done I'm for the both of us no I have done

Juliatherapy that's why I've done trauma my own trauma therapy because I don't want through therapy and has had all this you don't want a girl who's really decided who she is and and has establish

Juliaher Val I didn't do it for him I did it for myself and then I have a question why don't why don't you want that in a woman why don't you want a woman who hasn't had a bunch of trauma no why

Juliadon't you want a woman who has had enough time to what just go go go go go go calm down why don't you want a woman who has had enough time to really figure figure out who she is and believe in that and

Julialive out those and like establish her values and her virtues and live those out and that doesn't necessarily mean that she's been run through a bunch of times or has all this relational baggage that doesn't mean that but she's been on the earth longer so she's had a longer time does that doesn't that's not an

Claudia (overflow)attraction by the way in 19y Old it doesn't make you more attractive because you've had more life like emotional health 19-year-olds who have more trauma

Brian Atlasthan I've absolutely 100% yes there are there are deeply troubled women of any age group however it is the case that as you move through life you start ACR

Brian Atlascertain traumas not necessarily certain traumas certain baggage how know how do you know that if you've had 10 boyfriends versus one I've only probably ran into a toxic guy Rel dude

Claudia (overflow)I'm not talking about you the life the the sun does not revolve around you I'm not saying it revolves around me I'm just saying that we are comp complex and unique that's why I'm saying don't generaliz

Claudia (overflow)women but this is a dating podcast we're we're operating in generality that's right yeah that's right I I give you that s the reality look it's just are you so you saying it's a deal breaker

Brian Atlasage no absolutely not no and and the reality is look I'm not I'm not like hanging out at college parties trying to a coad like like I'm not trolling at college parties oh let me get a sority chick actually the reality is

Brian Atlasmost of the women I date are actually around my age and actually Rec in in recent history I've dated women who some women who are older than me I've dated a woman who's 39 I dated a woman uh two three years ago who was 45 granted she

Brian Atlasdidn't have kids still you know okay that's another conversation but that's very open-minded but I'll I'll most of the women I date I say are late 20s early 30s but I'm not going to sit here

Brian Atlasand say when it comes to just like the the women who I think are most physically attractive like it's probably a 21y old girl I'm going to I'm going to be honest I would encourage I would encourage young men who want to to be

Brandon Tatummarried in a relationship to not think too deep into it just become a the the man you need to be and and when you're in your mission and your purpose you'll

Brandon Tatumfind a woman and don't you know I guess lose that opportunity because you're looking at age or something like that I married my wife and she was 36 you know

Brandon Tatumyeah I thought about it and I said you know what I already had a kid she older than you yeah she's older than me so I already had a kid so I thought about it but I love my wife and we end and God end up blessing us with one kid and that's enough for me I

Brandon Tatumdon't want no more kids so but that was good enough for my life and my family you know a person can get so caught up in I want to be with a younger woman because we're going to have 15 kids and you meet a younger woman and she has can

Brian Atlasyou guys wait like just 10 more minutes or okay if if if we don't Rap by then just you're welcome to EXC I I know it's getting late so if you need to excuse yourself that's fine go ahead yeah but you know you get the younger woman cuz

Brandon Tatumshe's young and we going to have 15 20 kids but but it's a woman who's immature you end up getting a divorce or she dies at a young age you don't know what life has for you so don't get too caught up

Brandon Tatumin these in this minutia just focus on being being a a great man build your values and when when you're ready and it's time for you to be with somebody be

Brandon Tatumopen-minded to a woman that's there to add value to your life right it could be it could be a 21y but people get so caught up in these stats that they they Overlook an incredible woman that's probably older than they would like I I

Brandon TatumI thought that I wanted a younger woman than my wife but what if I said she's 36 years old I can't have kids with her I'm not going to be with her I I think that that may be a a negative if you if you

Brandon Tatumcarry that it's okay to think about it's okay to understand the numbers but people got to start looking at their lives as individual experiences and don't get caught up in the generalization not saying don't look at it but don't get caught up cuz you may walk away from an incredible woman or an

Brian AtlasIncredible man cuz you thinking of these stats I agree oh I mean look again I've most of the women I've dat dated in I don't know the past couple years

Brian Atlasactually probably Mo look at are within my some some older some younger uh you know dated the 39-year-old dated the 29y

Brian Atlasold when I was 33 whatever uh I do want to go around the table though what's the oldest guy you've dated in terms of age

Brian AtlasGap like dated dated dated dated or went out with had had sex with had sex with dated relationship

Brian Atlaswhatever 65 and you were how old I was 29 okay so that's okay what about you uh 13e Gap 13 year Gap what about you four

Juliayear four year four four what about you what's the biggest Gap uh 15 years oh my God so he was I was 20 I was 28 he was 44 so that's 16 you were

Brian Atlas28 wait but so hold on you you are complaining about men dating younger women but you're stealing a 4 5y- old from a 40-year-old woman so what are you complaining

Brian Atlasabout what you're complaining you're complaining hold on no no no you're complaining that men in your age range men who are like late 30s are not interested in you they want to chase the

Julia21-year-old here you are dating a 40 45-year-old and you're 29 well I was 28 what about the 40-year-old women you're stealing him I was 28 and one of the things one of the ways I matured over

Brian Atlasthis last year was realizing that so look at that see growth when you were 21 when you were younger say like 21 did you ever date an older guy like in his 30s no I only dated guys that were my

Brian Atlasage okay sure um what about you biggest uh 10 year Gap what about you biggest four four year okay gotcha and also didn't you say earlier in the conversation that there's you're you're

Juliacurrently crushing on a 23-year-old yeah no okay I like light Crush like light light Crush but you no it's sounded like you're pretty into him

Brian Atlasand he's 23 yeah which is like the so I think that's helping the I'm like that's the reverse I'm it is the reverse but you're you in your pre-show messages to us you were saying how people should

Brian Atlasdate their equals they should date in their uh I'm trying to find the exact uh Gap let's see hold on um why do this is what you said in your pre-show messages

Brian Atlasto us why do men seek to date and marry girls way younger than them look for partners your own age bi biblically speaking men

Brian Atlasshould be looking for an equal uh so you're currently crushing on a 23y old you recently dated a guy who was I wouldn't say recent I mean that was in

Brian AtlasJanuary we went on a few dates how wait so you were I was 28 he was 44 this is a year ago 44 that's a 14 14e age Gap so but why are you saying why do men

Brian Atlasseek to dat and marry girls way younger than them look for partners your own age you just went on a date within the past year a guy who's 14 year 14 years your senior two years ago but um okay it was

JuliaJanuary 2022 you said you were 28 years old in any case you were 28 years old now 29 fine fine fine fine okay yes now about the crush that's why I'm saying it is just a crush I'm not going to act on it I'm not going to go and try to like

Brandon Tatumdate him it's just like a I'm and I'm it is ironic so you're saying that come on you would if he hit you up you would date him right but you what's the question what's the crush about is it attraction or is it that the the

Juliagentleman bring something to the table that intrigues you or is it just he a no it's not really about looks it was we had uh we had a I had I ended up having

Juliaa 2-hour um car ride with him unintentionally and we had a really good conversation and I had a lot of fun and then we were on this like retreat this Christian retreat I'm just exposing myself we were on this Christian retreat

Juliaand it and we just like hung out and it was so fun Haram so what's wrong with so I mean I'm I'm sure I'm sure because of the because I think cuz I'm sure he

Juliawould never con he would not be looking at me because I'm basically a senior citizen no you're you're an attractive woman he'd probably yeah he'd probably entertain premarital cuddling he'd

Brandon Tatumprobably premarital cuddle but like he would consider dating how you 129 but say yeah this is the problem with with trying to do the whole date thing think I think you should date within your maturity and I know my wife is on the

Brandon Tatumchat I seen her hey baby um you got you got to date within your maturity you and him may be on the same level even though it's a different of Ages and I I would hate for him to be listening to guys online and not not you listen to listen

Brandon Tatumto the guys online him no him to listen to like you know the people that we mentioned at the beginning of the show to tell a young man is that she has no value at 28 she been ran through and it's like no don't don't really take

Brandon Tatumthat talk to her figure out what her story is and and that may be the greatest connection you've had and y'all live to be married for 45 and you may only have two kids you you

Brandon Tatumin the window where you can have plenty of kids so people shouldn't try to think of that too soon it's not worth it I see I just saw a woman on Instagram she had

Brandon Tatumfive kids starting at 38 she had 38 yeah 39 40 she her last kid was 44 years old so Courtney Kash that dude ain't mad is

Brian Atlasthat dude mad that she 44 years old having kids he ain't mad his life is his life is happy have kids but just to bring it back to this I mean so you're saying why do men seek to dat the married girls way younger than them but

Brian Atlasyou in pretty recently you said within two years you dated a guy who is 14 years you're senior so like there's two parts of this equation like it takes two

Brian Atlasto tango it h I think it happens to be the case that there's a decent subset of women that are attracted to older men true and in the same way that young in the same way that men are attracted to

Brian AtlasYoung younger women younger women are attracted to older men and if you look at the average age of marriage I think it's men are about two years older for the average

Brian Atlasage of it's like I don't know 20 30 or 29 for men 27 for women so it just happen and most women typically I would say date men that it might not be an extreme Gap but are one two three years older than them you typically see that

Brian Atlasplay out I think it just happens to be the case that men are attracted to younger women women are attracted to older men now I mean there's obviously bigger and bigger age gaps that we can

Brian Atlastalk about but um it's just it's okay when you do it like it's okay for you to date an older guy but what you're upset that men within your

Brian Atlasown age group are dating women who are in their 20s but you're stealing you are basically stealing a 45 44 year old guy

Brian Atlasfrom a woman who's in their 40s in the same way that a 20-year-old woman is stealing 30 old men from you she may steal a 20 203 I may steal some 23y old

Brandon Tatumman you know but wom women do want older men I mean my wife told me we were first we weren't even dating but I was interested I was oh she was too young I was interested in her we were on a

Brandon Tatumthree-way text message my friend tried to you know he tried to play matchmaker he didn't tell her I was on the text and he said oh man what's up with you and Brandon and she was like oh he's really nice but you know I'm looking for a guy that's like 10 years older than me so my

Brandon Tatumwife was looking for was somebody in their 40s so but because she didn't stick to that whole thing she ended up being the men of her dreams that happened to be four or five years

Brandon Tatumyounger than her gotcha and I was looking but but me me I was I'm I'm I'm more attracted to a younger woman not a woman in her 40s unless she is incredible shape but I didn't stick to

Brandon Tatumthat model I said I'm going to go with the woman that that matches my life and that's what I did I like that and there's just like I I also don't think think with with the the woman dating an

Juliaolder man that's like a it's still positive about the status of the older man The Narrative what I think is problematic is that the narrative about the younger women is that there is this

Juliaknock on women on on women on older women do do you see what I mean it's like it's like it's like and there's this and there's a narrative about on some of these podcasts that like older

Juliawomen are are lower value so that the point that like a 29-year-old I feel like yeah a senior citizen and and that's not a net positive for soci the real you're not as a human being we're

Brian Atlasnot talking about your value as a human being we are talking though there's just realities when it comes to the dating Marketplace and if we're talking about the dating Marketplace and we're talking

Brian Atlaswe're having conversations of who is more valuable in the dating Marketplace in the same way that a guy who's 6 feet is probably more valuable on The Dating

Brian AtlasMarketplace than the guy who's five three it's just an it's just the reality like there's all kinds of things that might make you more valuable in the

Brandon Tatumdating Marketplace and as you age yeah you're just not only for women well I actually think it's true though it's true though because and I see what people are saying with the podcast they

Brandon Tatumgot to be careful the way they say it but what the encouragement is is for young women to be more serious about their dating when they're younger then to play and play and play and you 35 without all baggage and then you expect

Brandon Tatumto get a man that's that's far beyond that so I get it so women should should understand to a certain degree that you do need to be intentional more in in dating yeah cuz I and not wait till you

Julialater later life we a lot and I know a lot of girls in my case we were told focus on your education go get your bachelor's go get your Masters you were sold a lie you were sold a lie yeah and

Brandon Tatumnow I'm I'm yeah and so I'm adding value to myself but it's a value that I'm told is not is not valuable but you're 29 somebody's an idiot to think that somehow you don't have value at your age

Brandon Tatumyou you're talking about women that maybe on the cusp of worrying when they get into their late 30s that's where women probably should worry because the likelihood of having children things

Brandon Tatumlike that become a lot more complicated 29 years old well I bet there's some people in the chat they're they they probably single but you know you a baby compared to life in adulthood you're you

Brandon Tatuma kid you're not even 30 yet you still got a long way to go these some of these immature men may be a little self-conscious about their options or whatever the case may be they may think that oh cuz she's 29 she slept with all these men and they get they get

Brandon Tatumbombarded with that stuff in their mind you women should never be foolish enough to think that in your 20s that you somehow these young boys ain't the man for you you know you need to get a real man that's that's mature enough and that

Brandon Tatumunderstand the value that you have and that's willing to forgive you for for what you've been through through not painting the picture of you amongst all these other women I'm telling you the the guys that the guys that do this

Brandon Tatumonline and I know they hate me they're single they're single and they try to tell a a a young they they're telling these young men these things and they're

Brandon Tatumsingle they're not qualified in my opinion to only have the the mic I think young men should listen to podcast they should listen to these men they should also listen to men who are married because it it takes a little bit of

Brandon Tatumsacrifice a little bit of maturity a little bit of growing up as a man to actually officially marry somebody but but when you can't just these young men can't get bombarded with this because they start to give up hope and they look

Brandon Tatumat these women as like damaged goods not every woman is is sleeping around and getting ran through and and have a crazy body count it's there are women that do it avoid those women you should be able to you should be able to have a

Brandon Tatumconversation with a woman and know oh your body count is high then don't give her another body count move on to another another woman but a lot of young men and I've seen it on these shows they

Brandon Tatumtell young men go out get with all these women run it up and do all these things women aren't you shouldn't do that I I wouldn't tell a young man that it's not

Brandon Tatumconducive for a young man's growth to be a hoe just because the difference between men and women because women do it and they get shamed for it men do it they get celebrated for it but at the end of the day it doesn't matter what

Brandon Tatumthe world believes you do not want to be a damaged young man and you do not want to fall into the Trap of being single forever exactly because these young men are going to be single because we just telling them she

Brandon Tatum35 30 a 28 year old woman is great for this young man she got her stuff together she's mature maybe she had a little life she's over it she she had incredible value but because she's 28

Brandon Tatumand he can't have kids with her and can't have her future he going to walk away from that woman and go to a mature 21 year old and then get end up getting a divorce I I I hope I'm not ruining your show no not long uhoh Alvin Sam

Brandon Tatumdonated $500 mute brand isest today is that a mute I think we have I think but this

Brian Atlasspeak 500 does that trigger that we have a option to mute someone's microphone no I think we lowered it do

UnknownI that was that is mute the microphone you me I care okay I guess that's a minut I agree with you I agree with you totally agree we all agree with you you

Unknowngot to mute you have to mute my fine 500 bucks it's only 10 minutes it's only 10 minutes Nick do you know how to mute it's the red button are you muted okay

Brian Atlasdo it count anyway we're gonna wrap up here pretty soon Alvin uh I I like Brandon it's it's good it's been good um I I disagree with you a

Brian Atlaslittle bit here um I feel like I I shouldn't have it's not fair for me to without you you being able to respond

Brandon Tatumbut

Brian Atlasso I agree with you that there's definitely women who at any age that can make fantastic Partners 100% agree with you however I think men are allowed to

Brian Atlashave preferences standards and boundaries just the same way that women are I think we know that women are very selective they're very picky and I think

Brian Atlasjust some of the conversations about hey men if you are cap cuz look the reality is most 21-year-old women are not interested in 35-year-old men unless

Brian Atlasthose 35-year old men are really attractive in some sort of metric like there it is a bit of cope like oh at 35

Brian Atlaslike you're in your Peak most men at 35 probably are not capable of securing like a hot college girl like it's just

Brian Atlasreal it right however if you are an attractive guy in your 30s and you can get a woman in her mid 20s or early 20s and she's really physically

Brian Atlasattractive and she's a great woman like I it's I guess the question I'm I'm that it makes me think of is what does like what's the benefit of dating a

Yasica35-year-old over a 25-year-old cuz they treat you better what's the benefit of the 25 only because their body is that the only reason yes because because physical attractiveness is

Brian Atlasimportant to both men and women women women care about various physical characteristics height is the guy does he have a full head of hair is

Brian Atlashe muscular uh penis size there's all kinds of things that women care about when it comes to physical attributes and most of the things that women care about in men when it comes to uh physical attributes are completely out of men's

Brian Atlascontrol whereas most of the things that men men care about when it comes to women's physical attributes typically weight is 100% women's control but in any case yes both men and women care about physical looks and beauty and

Brian Atlasattractiveness it is what it is and it happens to be the case that the that men view say women I I think the typical thing is between 18 to 25 as the most

Brian Atlasphysically attractive like I think I was and I think this applies to men too to some degree I think I was better looking 10

Brian Atlasyears ago I'm starting to get wrinkles like you know my Skin's not as taught or whatever um I'm not as in good physical

Eileenshape as I used to be 10 years ago it is what it is like but on the meat like 35s they're like looking already for someone to get married you know if they're not

Eileenmarried by that time they're looking for someone I believe so so the guy that I just recently dated he was 37 and he will treat me like super good and everything it just didn't work out he

Brian Atlaswas like too far for me he treated you super good did you treat him super good yeah oh but you're you're that's a 13-year age Gap I thought that's impossible for someone who's as young as you to treat a guy nicely because you're

Brian Atlasyoung right I didn't say that no that's why I'm saying but that's the argument that other people are trying to make that because of your youth you're are not capable of being a good just 24 not

Brian Atlas21 oh okay three year would you have still been a good partner 3 years ago probably not oh okay okay well okay

Eileenthen but look I I I think it's um I'm losing my train of thought here uh you're just not ready when you're 21 college parties whatever you don't

Brian Atlaswant to in a girl that's what they're doing not all 21 year-olds are drinking and partying most of them sure but that's not the type of girl I want that's not the type of girl I want to begin with so if I if I were to find a

Brian Atlas22-year-old girl that doesn't drink doesn't really party she's not mature enough you know I disagree there's but will you admit this like we we this is this is like a probably we have people

Brian Atlasin their late 20s we have people in their 30s here um you're 40 correct mhm I bet you know a ton of immature 40-year-old men don't you yep even older right I bet every single

Brian Atlasgirl here knows a guy who's just your age or even older than you that's immature I bet you know some girls that are your age that are

Brian Atlasimmature right mhm so age has nothing to do with your maturity my view is my view is is I would rather like I can find a I

Eileencan I can find a girl who's 23 that's more mature than a 33y old that's true it must it's it's the experience in the maturity like level I guess hold here do

Juliayou have a response cuz I think I've thoroughly angry angered you I'm no I'm not do you think I'm angry oh no you've kind of you've kind of been Grim grimacing a little bit I think I'm I think it's I think it's sad cuz well I

Juliamean I think what if if what you said is true that we bought into a lie then you have a generation of like 10 a 10year gap of a generation of women that it was out of our control or it wasn't out of our control but I guess yeah we bought

Juliainto a lie but you've been a lie to focus on your career and disregard men and but I think I'm higher value than I was when I was 21 first of all I think I was a late bloomer so I actually think I I started

Brian AtlasI was not cute until I was like 25 anyways but whatever wait question for you question for you though and I know you guys got to leave one last question if you guys got top totally get it so you're 29 now right yeah do you think

Brian Atlasyou're more physically attractive now than you were 10 years ago I actually do do you think you will be more physically attractive at 39 than probably not unless I have Kim Kardashian's facialist

Brian Atlaswe'll go around the table so do you think two-part question do you think that and this is for the whole panel do you think you're more physically attractive now than you were 10 years ago and do you think you will be more physically attractive in 10 years from

Brian Atlasnow starting with you go ahead no and no so wait no so you're more physically attractive today than 10

Brian Atlasyears ago before 10 years ago so at 29 or 28 versus 38 yeah and then you you're more attract you think

Karen (Serena)you you're more attractive now then you will be at 48 I think I'm cuter but not more physically attractive sure what about you yes and no okay also I should

Brian Atlasre change the question a little bit I shouldn't make it 10 so are you well you're 24 so 14 like yeah that's of course I'm looking

Brian Atlasbetter um were you I think at 24 it's not do you think you'll be more attractive in 10 years no okay what about you

Brian Atlasyou're you're 40 do you think you were more attractive at 30 no I think I'm more attractive now you think you're more attractive now do you think you'll be more attractive at 50 than you are

Diananow maybe who knows come my family members my family members are very young they they all look young so okay so you were not as

Brian Atlasattractive you're more attractive now mhm at 40 versus when you were 30 I feel I am yeah okay and you'll be more attractive at I'm saying more attractive but I mean I don't know no but that's

Brian Atlasthe question do you think you'll be more attractive at 50 than you are now at 40 no probably not oh okay all right what about you I think I'm more attractive you're 27 let's say uh do you think you're more attractive at 18 or now at

Brian Atlas27 now at 27 okay do you think you you'll be more attractive at 37 versus now at 27 I hope so but I think it's not about what you hope it's what you um do you

Brian Atlasthink you'll be more attractive when you're 37 than now at 27 wrinkles no okay you're I think you're already answered what about you you 34 I was more attractive when I was 24 more

Brian Atlasattractive do you think you'll be more attractive at 44 versus now at 34 oh um I'm going to be less attractive at 44 and then uh well you're 24 so whatever uh do you do you think you'll be more

Brandon Tatumattractive at 34 than that how you are now 24 okay I think can we unmute has it been 10 minutes yeah he okay about to

Brandon Tatumsay I I'll give 500 to get me out of mute mode I think the real question you should ask every single woman on the panel is that are you a better woman are you more prepared for a relationship now

Brandon Tatumthan you were 10 years ago do you feel like that you would be better more equipped and and more uh Advanced as a woman of course better to your husband 10 years from now than you are today oh

Brandon Tatumyeah and I think every woman is say like I'm I'm I'm smarter I'm wiser I'm a better woman I'm more prepared now than I was 10 years ago your looks May diminish slightly some if you work out

Brian Atlasyou can control that you can work out you still look good still look fresh that may deteriorate a little bit but the value that you add to a man may increase C can I ask you a question though so for you before you met your

Brian Atlaswife when you were still single um would you let's say there was a woman

Brian Atlaswho all the personality criteria like insanely amazing all metrics just emotional intelligence Pleasant feminine

Brian Atlasshe took care of you nurturing caring all that stuff but she was morbidly OB Brandon mels donated

TTS Reader$99 than Brandon Brian you have the wrong Brandon on the panel two I missed some of what my fellow Brandon said but I do think guys online take a lot of the

Brian Atlasred pill stuff to the absolute extreme we just need a good women regardless of age yes Brandon mels thank you thank you

Brian AtlasBrandon um look I I don't think I think things are obviously aren't black and white when it comes to dating um I think

Brian Atlasthere's room for to be flexible but so perfect woman but she's morbidly obese well you say Mor obese I mean how how bad are you

Brandon Tatumtalking 3 because 3 330 350 about 350 well you know that's that's kind of a hypothetical you mean if my wife became 3 no no no no like cuz like she became big cuz cuz if she's big

Brandon Tatumlike that I don't think that I'll I'll talk to her in the first place I I probably wouldn't get a chance to know her um but let's say you you got to know this

Brandon Tatumwoman morbidly obese she's amazing amazing great woman but she's morbidly obese well do she do she exercise can we go do things

Brian Atlascan we be active together I'm saying it's a hard push I don't I don't want to be with a woman that's I'm using I'm using extreme to try to articulate a point but I guess

Brandon Tatumwhat I'm saying is like there has to be there has to be physical attra but you you act like women in a 20 29 30 aren't goodlook there's a lot ofen no no I'm saying there's a lot of good wom work

Brian Atlasout and take care of themselves I'm not saying that women really good in their 30s 100% just and just point of clarification I'm not saying that bear in mind that I've in recent history dated women some women who are older

Brian Atlasthan me I've dated uh women around my age range a woman who's 30 35 40 even 45 can be very physically attractive 100% that's not what I'm saying but if you're

Brandon Tatummaking comparisons like a woman who's 35 her at 25 is just more physically attractive I

Brandon TatumI wouldn't say 25 35 but I will say after 35 it could it could kind of get dicey I know a lot of women that that Gabriella Union anyone she's like 50 and she gabri un I know a lot I know a lot

Brian Atlasof women that if you keep up with yourself 25 and 35 is not going to be a makeup break but I guess look it's there I think there's another component too

Brian Atlasthough I think it again it does come back a little bit to baggage trauma you've had an extra 10 years of relationship trauma and if you're

Brian Atlaslooking at the and look when she was so let me just you before you became a Christian you like from my perspective you had sex with men now you're waiting until marriage

TTS Readerlike respect donated $99 girl in red dress I'm 23 was a goodlooking also don't know why officer Tatum is getting hate when he speaking

TTS Readertruth young men are afraid to admit fault and the red pill Community make it worse cuz now they be thinking all women are bad which is sad listen you're a very attractive

Brian Atlaswoman I'm sure you're not going to have trouble finding a guy uh however look it's just I'm we're having a conversation here when it comes to dating I'm just trying to make the argument that yes it is the it is the

Brian Atlascase maybe this is an uncomfortable truth don't shoot the messenger yes men are attracted to physically to to young women it is what it is but you are such an influential

Julialike your show is so influential you are very influential and if you actually and and you don't even practice that which is what we learned like you you said most of the women you've dated have been

Juliaaround your age and I just think if more of that I wish I'm not suggesting that men exclusively date I know you're not but I think the perpetuation of that narrative like even as you're expl and I'm not asking I'm not saying you should

Julialie I just think I think it's great that you're sharing well I think your points are incredible Brandon but I think also like the the fact no but the fact that you're sharing that you actually mainly date people

Juliaaround your AE like that's good because it can just be such a toxic narrative that like they only want I mean that it that it can feel that way sometimes I'm probably over exagger I get what the

Brandon TatumYoung Dudes are experiencing on the r i watch these shows I get it man I was in a dating world and I had my insecurities about dating women with too much baggage and older women and younger women I had

Brandon Tatumthose insecurities but when I matured I realized that man that stuff is will send you down a negative path you you really have to focus on individuality generally speaking you're right Brian you're right I mean the

Brandon Tatumgeneral average woman is not as attractive as she was 10 years ago the average woman probably got more baggage than she did 10 years ago but if you if you are an individual looking for

Brandon Tatumsuccess and love you have to be open minded to meeting a woman and hearing her side of the story and don't be a don't be a a simp to the point where you getting taken advantage of all the time you don't have to go on dates all the

Brandon Tatumtime young men need to be focused on their career I have a young man that's talking to me about dating some girls he's in his 20s I'm like man look you should wait until you're 30 a pretty phase won't take you far or to be successful won't help you you know right

Brandon TatumI like when like you say the girl is and I'm not exclusively talking about you but you say a girl in her 20s yeah she's physically better but some of them are psycho earlier you said that pretty girls are Psy yeah but but at the same time but

Brandon Tatumwe're looking at looks so if you say I'm only going to go on looks and therefore they'll lead me down the path of younger women a lot of these younger women are broken they haven't dealt with their issues and their psycho and a lot of

Brandon Tatumreally really good-look women have a lot of baggage and issues so I I think that just don't get caught up in it that's all I'm saying I think what you're saying is invaluable to say and I think young men need to understand the climate

Brandon Tatumthat they live in but just don't get caught up in in demonizing women because if you if it was your daughter how would you feel if it was your mom and she's 45 years old and you're like Mama you ain't

Brandon Tatumnever going to meet no man at 45 no man want you you you you can't have kids it's like I wouldn't tell my mom that I be like look there's a man that that wants you there's a man that's in a position in his life that's a little different he don't want kids sure you

Brian Atlasknow you do you mean like how would I feel if like I had a daughter and she was dating an older guy is that kind of like what you're no I'm say as a like

Brandon Tatumwhat I tell young men is what I want the young man to be to my daughter so I wouldn't tell him to feel a certain way about a woman because I wouldn't want young men to think of my daughter like

Brian Atlasthat if she went to college got a degree yeah oh I I want to come back to this really quick I know that they have to go last question for you guys we have a 4our drive last question oh wait hold on wa okay I'll try to get through this

Brian Atlasreally quick Stiffler he's got to know so we got to ask everybody ask everyone to WR their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 what do you rate yourself what do you rate your looks on your a scale of 1 to

Unknown10 I think I'm at eight okay nine seven eight 6 7even

Claudia13 13 eight that's not even 13 wonder why uh sure so is it is it is it all

Claudiaabout like just physical stuff right looks just looks looks Hest 1 to 10 13 okay so I would rate myself as a seven but I was born with two

Brian Atlasuteruses so I count it twice and some days wait two uteruses some days two vaginas too no just two cervixes if I had a husband you could touch them both

Claudiakind of thing wait you if what I said I have two cervixes if I had a husband he could touch them both but touch them both with his how basically like when

Claudiacuz I've heard some women have two yeah no two not two no so can you have like two babies at the same time but not they're not twins at the same time twins

Juliainteresting wild that's you could field a baseball team and I stand by the 13 okay good to know

Brian Atlasgood to know yeah so so you're a for because of the baby making thing

Claudiabecause it's too two double that's some she's worth women ma right there well I'm I'm

Brian Atlasknow okay um and oh uh okay since we talked about body count uh just does

Brian Atlasshould body count matter yes or no no yes yes no yeah yes yes yes it should

Karen (Serena)count yes it should uh what's everyone's body count um I'd rather not say okay

Karen (Serena)five I'm not saying range do you guys want to do a range like one to 10 I think it's safe I don't think anybody that I know is watching right

Brian Atlasnow um I I want to say over 50 more than 50 okay what about you way under that way under 50 so 45

Juliano okay uh under 10 um I have a low to medium range by my

Claudiastandards seven no oh oh okay no yeah three less than my age just going to say

Brian Atlasthat so 23 significantly less than my age well cuz you're 24 so that leaves it up to

Brian Atlasinterpretation multip by three okay for all the body counts okay I know you guys got to take off if you guys got to take off go for it um I do want to try to wrap up here really quick on the uh if you guys want to stay you're welcome but

Karen (Serena)I know you guys got a long D it was nice to meet you for com nice to meet you guys thank you it's been fun it was fun uh let's see just on I mean look the

Brian Atlaswhole age Gap thing I would just say um how dare a man be attracted to a woman at the height of her physical attractiveness not what I'm saying and fertility that's and I'm not bit

Brian Atlasyou're not I'm not bit maybe a little bit no I'm not bitter I'm I'm afraid you're afraid yeah that all the hot

JuliaDC uh uh Capital oh legislative assistance all the what are they called the um interns

Brian Atlasno um have you dated Congressman no no no Senator no state senator state senator no okay president was that like

Brian AtlasPresident would you date Donald Trump uh no it's not your type Biden is more your sleepy Joe no no I would not

JuliaObama like if you're single um Obama and his prime was I mean oh that's a I mean that's a high quality man I mean I mean why is it on me why is it on me I would date JFK if he wasn't before he was

Brian Atlasmarried to Jackie JFK okay you'd probably end up getting clipped though if you were in romantically involved with with him right I don't know

Juliaprobably what do you mean by CLI oh like clipped cuz he got assassinated yeah oh Jackie didn't she was she was right

Juliain the car okay I thought you you'd want to be like one of the no I would never want to be a side chick I would always want to be main character you wouldn't be the side chick for JFK come on you'd be the side chick let's be honest you

Juliawould definitely be the side chick I'm sorry I'm sorry I don't want to have I mean good thing I wasn't born in that time so I don't have to have that tough decision what what's it called when

Brian Atlascompanies I it's on the tip of my tongue when a company will hire somebody to advocate for them to politicians it's it's just a lobbyist lobbyist would you date a you date lobbyists as long as they're not for Big

Brian AtlasSugar you're not a fan of big sugar I think sugar what about tobacco would you date like a tobacco lobbyist I would yeah yeah wow you're a Terri I'm kidding kid I love

Juliatobacco okay good times yeah um would you date a lobbyist what do you Lobby for I Lobby for aren't you consultant or something technology and it delivery

Brian Atlasservices yeah uh sure why not yeah I'm seeing if we have any other notes here from you I feel like we I got to yeah I know CU then I sent okay um well you might be

Juliacoming on Tuesday right if you want me to okay we'll pick it up on Tuesday then a the vulnerable thing we can should we hit on vulnerable really quick you said it's good when guys show emotions it's healthy oh yeah Brandon might have some

Juliareally good points in this I think a like a some I've heard it discussed that like girls don't like it when guys cry or anything like that don't I think it shows they don't I think it shows like that you're in a healthy place cuz some

Brian Atlasthings there are like are if I just started crying right now like I know you probably what the I did not mean to press that sorry that's how you started crying you're probably like because of the

Juliaconversation we were having you know it's yeah you want to know what I would think I would I would think he's really stressed out maybe his neck hurts cuz I know you have a reoccurring neck problem got some neck neck you should come to my

Brian Atlaschurch you might get healing for it what we do healings yeah yeah I'm sorry but I'm a man of God but that's not how that works okay all right you don't have

Brian Atlasfaith no it's just like if uh I don't okay okay whatever I'm not going to get into that but um I think that I think that

Brandon Tatumum men should not show all of their emotions to women cuz women judge men very harshly on that I don't I would

Brandon Tatumnever cry in front of my wife really I just wouldn't what if your kid died that's a different thing I mean I would try to I would try not to cry in

Brandon Tatumfront of my wife if my kid the supp no yeah I I'm I'm I'm her Foundation I'm her strong point I cry on my own but if everything is going south I want my wife

Brandon Tatumto know I'm strong in that situation and I can be I don't have to cry I can do that on another time my wife is expecting me to be strong in these in these times I thought about this I heard a guy say this is that when my father

Brandon Tatumpasses away which everybody's parent is going to pass away I'm not going to cry his funeral I don't want to cry in this funeral I want my father to know that I'm strong enough to stand up and have this conversation and I've compartmentalized what has happened I

Brandon Tatumcan do that in another time at my father's funeral I'm going to stand up and be strong for everybody in the building and that's not a that's not a bad thing to do you know I like I I don't want my wife to be afraid just say something tragic happens so you don't

Yasicathink she looks to me to be the the stable person go ahead what do you think about men um thinking that women's emotion not

Brandon Tatummatter women's emotions don't matter don't matter yeah I've heard it say that yeah I've heard I mean what do you mean like if you make an emotional decision a man shouldn't acquest to your emotional

Brandon Tatumdecision you say oh I feel this way oh it doesn't matter how you feel it does matter I mean w women's uh instincts to have emotions is one of the greatest things that Humanity can have that's why

Brandon Tatumyou need both you need somebody who's stable logical and you also need the emotional component that's why God made Adam and Eve that's why when you're married the best situation for children is a mother and father you do need the emotional component women have instincts

Brandon Tatumthat men don't have and that emotionalism kind of attracts that but you have to be careful to being not being too overly emotional so you think you cry in front of your daughter I

Brandon Tatumwouldn't cry in front of anybody because so I asked I mean I would I my I will try not to cry in front of anybody there's compulsion for me to cry at times and I will not do it in front of

Juliapeople well I so I you know I had this moment with my dad and it was this summer and we were we talking and we each had like a glass of wine or

Juliawhatever but I was like sharing how it it is hard being single and and 29 and just feeling like you're like old and all this stuff and and

Juliayeah and so I started crying and and he and he actually you started crying yeah I'm sorry thank she she's crying for no reason she has nothing to worry about

Juliayou're in a great position well okay well we anyways so thank you but um and then I was crying and he like and then I look over and he is crying and he's like this is he's like look at me I'm a 65y

Juliaold man you're making a 65y old man cry but it was like he saw my pain and really felt my pain cuz I I was like oh he wants me to be happy and in that like that spoke so much to me like cuz I was

Brian Atlaslike ah he cares about me so much that my that's your that's your father I feel like if it was a PO a boyfriend or a husband in that I think it's because I mean obviously there's a different

Eileenrelationship that you have with your father than I've never I I haven't seen my father I saw my father cry one time and it was at his father's funeral so you

Brandon Tatumthink if a man shows his emotion makes him uh less man no no I just think men shouldn't do it I don't think it make you less of a man if you your emotions like for instance if something tragic

Brandon Tatumhappened and I was in the room with my wife and and it caused me to start crying or something I'm not going to be like throw it out of the room you got to leave the room you can't see me like

Brandon Tatumthis it's just that I know when emotions happen to me and I refrain from exposing that emotion in front of people you have never cried from a like a

Brandon Tatumbreakup or anything like that like in front of the not from a breakup breakup come on I I've never cried from a breakup I've been upset about a break I've never

Eileencried men don't really don't have tion to cry I had them here crying in front of that's why you're not now I like will watch you cry once a week you said you had men cry in front

Juliaof sometimes I look up videos of like Army dads coming home and surprising their kids just cuz I want to cry and then I'll watch it and I'll cry I've cheered up and cried over stuff like that but I those videos are I don't

Brandon Tatumdo that in front of people it's touching and wholesome I don't think it's it evokes it evokes something

Brandon Tatumlet me just be clear if a man if a man decides that that's what he wants to do in front of his woman oh my God then that's what they want to do for for me you suffer I think you suffering silence

Brandon Tatumthat's what I think and when I say suffering signs I don't mean have these negative thoughts in your mind and don't tell anybody what I'm saying is that there are times where I'm emotionally stressed out about certain things and and I and I deal with them with my

Brandon Tatumhomies I deal with them by myself my wife does not need to be exposed to me breaking let let me just let me just life doesn't have to be exposed just say just say that just say that uh there's a you know you see what's happening out

Brandon Tatumyou see what's happening in Israel I do do you see what's happen I'm being your I'm trying to be your H hyp man you got to hyp me better than you see you see what's see what's happen isra you see what's happening I do in in Israel there's a conflict right are we talking

Brandon Tatumand I'm not going to get too deep into that but there's a conflict and people are having to make tough decisions men are going to have to step up and make tough decisions if if the if the that happened in America and yeah I may

Brandon Tatumfeel fear May there be some there may be some emotions that I feel I cannot display that and your wife looks for you for prote has you for protection so you just imagine you going to war and you got the guy on the front line and he

Brandon Tatumcrying yeah you like oh wait a minute dude we going to lose this or you like like my dud we would do SWAT hits and and some of the dudes that they were tough they were hard around the edge man and you don't see them sweat and it

Brandon Tatumgives everybody encouragement to be like man that's a badest mother then that mean I need to be bad but I will tell people if you need to go and and cry do that stuff on the side I'm not telling you hold it in but go do that on the

Eileenside I've cried in the car by myself I've I've cried at the smoking cigars by myself oh but you have to cried I cry and I cry I cry a lot he be honest well that's what he told me he lying everybody Cry Sometimes man I cry I you

Brandon Tatumgot to get that out your system especially when I when I be praying and I'm I'm getting deep and I'm I'm I get that out of my system so I can be strong for my wife and for for a lot of other people so it's nothing wrong with crying

Brian Atlasbro you just can't do that in front of your woman you you need to try not to do that in front of other people to show your related to the the dating thing is yes if you if you're a guy and you do

Brian Atlascry in front of your woman your girlfriend your wife whatever I think you you'll probably get a little bit more leeway the longer you've been with her but like the earlier on it is I

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