The Officer Tatum DESTROYS Whatever Podcast?! | Dating Talk #107

Date: 2023-10-09

Duration: 5h 53m

Guests

Brian Atlas

KKiki (Dating Talk #217)>

KKaren (DT217)>

EEileen (DT217)>

DDiana (DT217)>

YYasica (DT217)>

JJulia (DT217)>

CClaudia (DT217)>

BBrandon Tatum >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Brandon Tatum(guest)

SPEAKER_02Claudia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Eileen(guest)

SPEAKER_04Yasica(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Julia(guest)

SPEAKER_09Claudia (overflow)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Diana(guest)

SPEAKER_12Karen (Serena)(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteKaren reveals she just ended a 4-year lesbian relationship and discovered her "lesbian" girlfriend had been cheating with multiple men

“"I just recently found out that I was cheated on with a man... she cheated on me with a man... supposedly multiple men."”

QuoteClaudia discloses she was born with two cervixes (uterine didelphys) and jokes her self-rating should be doubled to 13

“"I would rate myself as a seven but I was born with two uteruses so I count it twice... I have two cervixes, if I had a husband he could touch them both."”

ControversyBrandon Tatum criticizes Fresh & Fit for giving immature advice to young men, saying they come from a broken place

“"I think they come from a very immature place, they come from a very broken place... the guy gave this young man such horrible advice about a woman and told him to go get a side chick."”

QuoteBrian shares story of asking injured girlfriend to prep cucumbers — she did it begrudgingly due to feminist programming, which led to their breakup

“"I had some cucumbers in the fridge, you think you could like prep them for me... I could tell by the chops on the cucumbers it was super begrudging... and that's when I knew."”

QuoteJulia admits she compromised her Christian standard of waiting until marriage with her non-Christian ex and felt most disconnected from God during that relationship

“"When I was in that relationship even though I was in love with him I felt the most disconnected from God and so I knew it was bad but I was like all of your feelings are just... ah."”

QuoteClaudia (psychologist) explains anxious attachment and why women are attracted to avoidant/exciting men

“"We like familiar things... what we find attractive and fun is those exciting adrenaline roller-coaster relationships... the nice guy that wants to go on a date is not clingy — he's treating you right — and that's what we find clingy."”

QuoteBrian delivers self-assessment that he would likely be the type to get divorced if he married

“"I feel as if like not all of us can be Brandon Tatum... I'm kind of the dude that gets divorced... it's kind of brutal self-assessment and self-reflection."”

QuoteBrandon Tatum explains how he manifested his marriage by envisioning it daily while flying alone

“"When I would fly on an airplane by myself I would envision me and my wife traveling together... I would already think about what me and my wife are going to do, our children... if you want it and you see it you believe it in your heart you pursue it."”

QuoteBrian catches Julia contradicting herself: she messaged before the show complaining about men dating younger women, but herself dated a man 14 years older and has a crush on a 23-year-old

“"You said in your pre-show messages 'why do men seek to date and marry girls way younger than them, look for partners your own age' — you recently dated a guy who was 44, a 14-year age gap."”

QuoteBrandon Tatum reveals he has a foot fetish and his wife already knows

“"I am a foot person really... and my wife watching and she already know, she already know."”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Show Announcements

Brian introduces show with streamlabs/merch/BLM plugs; mentions four scheduled guests bailed the night before claiming a mandatory Sunday landlord meeting. Guests introduce themselves: Karen/Serena (38, Bay Area, dental, bisexual), Eileen (24, ASU engineering student, was on Enamórate), Diana (40, real estate, won't marry), Yasica (27, OnlyFans), Julia (29, DC tech consultant, Christian), Claudia (34, neuropsychologist, 2 cervixes), Kate (24, pastry chef), Brandon Tatum (36, Officer Tatum YouTuber, ex-cop, married).

Relationship Status Round

Full round of relationship statuses. Karen: single, just out of 4-yr lesbian relationship, ex cheated with men, now in a situationship. Eileen: single, last relationship 1.5 months (guy from Enamórate TV show). Diana: single 6 years, proposed to twice, sold both rings, doesn't want to get married, one adult son. Yasica: in 5-year relationship. Julia: single ~2 years, was in love with last boyfriend (non-Christian), last relationship ended Jan 2022. Claudia: single ~4 years, celibate. Kate: not fully captured. Brandon Tatum: happily married, wife changed name to Tatum legally.

Karen's Lesbian Relationship and Infidelity Revelation

Karen reveals her 4-year lesbian relationship ended when she discovered her girlfriend (who claimed to be fully lesbian) had been cheating with multiple men. The ex's former boyfriend (who she described as "obsessed" with her) had been visiting while Karen was out of town — visible on ring camera footage. Karen is bisexual; had prior relationships with men.

Women Attracted to Bad Boys / Exciting Men vs Nice Guys

Diana says she finds most men trash. Discussion of why women reward bad boys and find nice/reliable men boring. Brandon Tatum calls for women to reflect on what they present to attract those men. Brian says men respond to women's incentive structure. Guest from psychologist background (Claudia) explains attachment theory and anxious/avoidant attachment styles as root cause of attraction to exciting/unavailable men. Brian argues women both complain about toxic men and reward them.

Who Should Pay on Dates / Gender Roles at Home

Discussion of who pays on first date, second date, moving forward. Brandon Tatum says he always pays and finds it disrespectful for women to contribute. Brian shares story of girlfriend who was reluctant to prep cucumbers for him while he was injured due to "feminist mind virus." Panel split: most women say guy should pay first date; some open to reciprocating later. Brief discussion of making sandwiches — none find it demeaning.

Women's Careers vs Attractiveness to Men

Discussion of whether women's careers/income make them more attractive to men. Brian argues generally no — men are not looking for providers. Diana lists her accomplishments (real estate, insurance broker license). Brandon Tatum says men look for peace, softness, support — not competing careers. Julia makes point that women must support themselves while single but then conflict with what men want. Claudia/psychologist notes there is value in intellectual compatibility.

Officer Tatum's Views on the Red Pill / Fresh & Fit

Chat donor challenges Brandon Tatum for making "hit pieces" against Fresh & Fit while using similar talking points on a "red pill podcast." Brandon clarifies he is neither red pill nor green pill; his criticism of Fresh & Fit is that they come from a broken/immature place and give harmful advice (e.g., telling a young man to get a side chick). He disagrees with their demeaning approach to women. Brian says Whatever is not necessarily a red pill podcast and he brings on guests with different views.

The Chemistry / Spark Discussion

Julia describes an ex who was "perfect" but lacked chemistry and she couldn't reciprocate his passion. Brandon Tatum argues the spark/click can be overrated and that mature love is practical; he and his wife didn't have a dramatic honeymoon spark. Brian questions why women chase the click when it has no bearing on a partner's long-term quality. Panel discusses whether chemistry can develop over time vs. needing to be instant. Julia mentions a 23-year-old crush she met on a Christian retreat.

Christianity, Waiting Until Marriage, and Body Count Standards

Extended discussion centered on Julia's Christian faith and celibacy standard. Julia explains her conversion at 19, her standard of waiting until marriage, how she violated it with a non-Christian ex (January 2022 breakup), and her now-firm rule to only date practicing Christians. Brian challenges the consistency of a woman's new standard after prior sexual activity — men may feel scammed. Brandon Tatum gives nuanced view: Christian men should appreciate a woman genuinely trying, regardless of past. Discussion of pair bonding, body count as proxy for female selectivity, whether low-BC women bond more intensely.

Hypergamy and Dating Apps — Women Chasing Up

Brian delivers extended monologue on hypergamy and dating app dynamics: top 5-10% of men get most female attention on apps; attractive men will sleep with average women but never commit; average women misread sexual access as being in that man's league; they then reject men actually on their level. Brian uses the "6 can get sex from an 8-9 but never commitment" framework. Panel partially agrees. Julia says the best strategy for a woman is not sleeping with a man quickly if she wants commitment.

Marriage vs Committed Cohabitation

Brian questions whether there is a meaningful difference between legal marriage and a committed monogamous life-partnership. Brian expresses a premonition that he would be the type to get divorced. Brandon Tatum pushes back: negative self-talk is the problem, and Brian should manifest a positive marriage instead. Claudia/panel argue marriage has religious, romantic, and social commitment value. Brian says it's pathetic that vows mean nothing in modern divorce culture.

Age Gap Relationships

Brian catches Julia in a contradiction: she messaged before the show saying "why do men seek to date women way younger — date your equal," but she recently dated a 44-year-old (14-year age gap) and has a crush on a 23-year-old (6 years younger). Julia acknowledges the irony. Brian and Brandon discuss how men are biologically attracted to women at peak fertility/physical attractiveness. Discussion of data showing women view 80-90% of men as unattractive; average age gap at marriage (~2 years). Brandon shares his wife wanted a man 10 years older but ended up with him (5 years younger).

Men Showing Emotions / Vulnerability in Relationships

Julia says she finds men showing emotions healthy and affirming. Brandon Tatum says he would never cry in front of his wife; he processes emotions privately or with male friends. Brian argues women lose attraction when men display weakness/vulnerability. Brandon distinguishes between vulnerability in appropriate settings vs. breaking down in front of a woman. Panel compares showing emotions in war/dangerous situations. Julia shares story of her father crying with her over her struggles being single at 29.

Self-Ratings and Body Count Round

Quick self-ratings round (1-10, looks only). Karen: 8. Eileen: 9. Diana: 7. Yasica: 8. Julia: 6. Claudia: 7 (jokes "13" due to two cervixes). Kate: not clearly captured. Brandon Tatum: not asked (male guest). Body count round: Karen: 5. Diana: 50+. Julia: under 10. Claudia: 3 (less than her age). Eileen: significantly less than 24 (Brian jokes multiply by 3). Yasica: not clearly captured.

Transcript

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Brandon Tatumit's good to you now every now you they can do anything and you you will look over it because of lust not love so the best way to do it is for young men to

Brandon Tatumsay look let me get to know her better let's come up with an idea I would say men and women date with a purpose don't just date to to have sex because I'm going to tell you something because you made a point about if you run into the

Brandon Tatumguy and it's is really really good what do you do on the next one you know what if it's going to always probably Peak your interest to get more and more and more you're going to run into another dude that's better than the first guy

Brandon Tatumand then what do you do you you can't you can't keep chasing that sexual uh fantasy or that sexual Niche or whatever you you have to pursue relationships with a purpose it's the best way to do

Brandon Tatumit I'm not trying to preach to y'all I'm just saying do it with a purpose and therefore there's no body count women that you leaving out in the road and then you don't get into a situation where you feel obligated because as a man sometimes you have sex with women

Brandon Tatumand then now they get clingy but then you feel bad because you're like dang I don't want I'm really not looking for that but I I shouldn't have done that she is kind of a good girl but then I don't and then you linger out

Brian Atlasthat relationship when she could have been with somebody that really wanted to be with her so I think that's why it's so important for people to wait yeah what I would say to that at least for me and I do think maybe I could it could be

Brian Atlasvery well the case that I'm a little bit of an outlier in the way I move um if like I already if I sleep with a girl like I've already kind of made the determination that I am open to a

Brian Atlaslong-term relationship like I'm never gonna just sleep with a girl without having the look it could very well be the case that we continue dating for 3 months and it doesn't work out like is

Brian Atlasthe case with any relationship but I'm already going in with the intention of if I'm going to sleep with this girl then I do want to pursue a long-term relationship but why why are these

Brandon Tatumrelationships not working out and I bet you no no no I bet you a million dollars that it was something at the No No but it was something at the beginning that

Brandon Tatumthat showed you that this is probably not going to be longterm or maybe she really isn't what I want and then you have sex you overlook it and I blame it all on feminism feminism's fault if it

Brian Atlaswasn't for feminism we' we'd uh we'd be good Honestly though I'm kind of like just a walking red flag I've got a dating podcast I'm a male with a podcast

Brian Atlashave you heard about this males with podcast it's a it's we shouldn't be giving microphones and head headsets to to to men um but uh no I don't know um honestly I'm just well you probably

Brandon Tatumdon't want to know my take on marriage so that's that's the other thing for you saying that meaning that I think you're not favorable to marriage CU of the risk factors yeah like and look I don't have anything

Brian Atlaswrong from when it comes to marriage from a religious perspective uh I I'm not like fervently like anti-marriage in the sense that I'm openly like I I try

Brian Atlasto think I'm a pretty reasonable person but I'm not like antagonistic with it I just I've looked at the risk factors like you said and I just me personally I

Brian Atlasdon't want to get married that I think could be for some women kind of I don't know now I'm but here's the thing like I could have a long-term monogamous

Eileenrelationship with a with a woman life life partner no but you always have an out you always have an out you don't have to make an ultimate commitment you don't yeah that's the thing without marriage like people get

Brian Atlasdivorced all the time though you can well so in marriage you can just go too you just financially yourself in the process but you get married to

Juliastay is that how marriage works for don't you think you're married you're limiting your pool cuz you're not I mean most women most like the it sounds like you want a self-respecting woman like

Brian Atlashigh value all these things don't you think most of those women would want to be married so you're you're limiting I want a woman realizes I want a woman who realizes

Brian Atlasthat in this current social climate in this political well not political in this social climate when it comes to the court system we don't need to get we

Brian Atlasdon't need to get uh the state involved in our relationship I love you you love me we don't need the state I agree the truly feminine I agree would want like

Brian Atlasthe nature of femininity would want that protection you think and I feel like you want a feminine girl I do I do like feminine women but but I don't need I'm protecting us from the state

Brandon Tatumbabe I'll tell you this as a married man that one of the greatest things I ever did in my life was get married I have been more productive I've had more peace I mean it is the greatest decision a man

Brandon Tatumcan ever make it's it's the biggest and greatest investment that you make in the rest of your life now if you're a man with integrity and you're ready and you do your homework and and you're willing to pursue even when it gets tough you get married and you make a commitment

Brandon Tatumfor Life me and my wife are committed for life you know us getting a divorce is not in the equation and I think because both of us are both uh mature enough and willing to work through it it's not perfect you know sometimes we

Brandon Tatumargue sometimes she get on my nerves but at the end of the day you don't quit and give up cuz she got on my nerves one day we made a commitment before God we made a commitment and it's it's on record and it's not it wouldn't behoove me to not

Brandon Tatumput my best effort into it because I got a lot on the line when you have when you have skin in the game you're more willing to do more in a relationship than you are if you're if you don't have skin in the game and you could just walk

Brian Atlasaway at any time but that given how frequently there's divorce it's not clear to me that marriage precludes people

Brandon Tatumfrom because the divorce exists you need to look you need to look at divorce in in segmentation right who what people are you talking about are you talking about people who come together that are

Brandon Tatumequally Yol are you talking about people who are Christians are you talking about people who get married young are you talking about people who get married old people getting married with children involved there's so many different variations that may not even pertain to

Brandon Tatumsomebody like you you may not be in the in the realm of the divorce there's a lot of people that get divorced for a lot of reasons that may not be your reason when I think I'm the guy to to be honest I've thought about this and this

Brian Atlasis kind of I don't know if this is almost like morbidly sad or whatever I feel like if I were to get married I'm not gonna lie I'm kind of the dude that gets

Brian Atlasdivorced I like like I'm the type of dude I'm just look and it's it's like brutal it's brutal self assessment and

Brian Atlasself-reflection I just feel as if like not all of us can be Brandon Tatum like you're you're you're like I'm kind of like the class

Eileenclown guy you're like you're masculine you're you're tall I mean how tall are you 6'2 62 okay I'm 61 so honestly not going so far my parents been in a

Eileenrelationship for 45 years they just got married this year with three kids and they have never like divorced well not divorced cuz they can't but they were

Brian Atlastogether so I agree like you don't have to get married but I don't know if you marry someone I just have this like this what's that

Brian Atlashave you seen a Minority Report with Tom Cruz what what was it called the the the the things that could see the future premonitions I have a premonition if I

Brian Atlaswere to get married she's divorcing me I don't know I'm just oh yeah no she divorces me oh that's how it is women divorce men the reason that you're doing this the reason

Brandon TatumI'm not going to divorce I would never div the reason that you feel this way is because of the things that you read and selft talk yeah because if you if you tell yourself this all the time or you had negative experiences with women and

Brandon Tatumyou carry that on you're going to believe that in every relationship what you have to do is that you have to start telling yourself a different story stay positive you have to start telling yourself I'm going to be married I'm going to stay married and you have to start looking forward to the woman that

Brandon Tatumyou're going to marry before I got married to my wife every day and people probably think I'm crazy but I don't care I manifested it and the reason and how I manifest because when I would fly on an airplane by myself I would Envision me and my wife traveling

Brandon Tatumtogether I would already think about what me and my wife are going to do our children and you want if you want it and you see it you believe it in your heart you pursue it then you are pursue it with an open mind and you pursue it with

Brandon Tatumthe idea that this is going to work for me women like you say all the things about yourself there are some women that love all of that some women don't like a guy like me they like a guy like you

Brandon Tatumthey like a guy that's funny a guy that's self a self-starter you know all of the things that you have that are quality there's women out here that like that if you were a nerdy guy with glasses on and you were geeky and you in

Brandon Tatuma tech some woman out there love that guy I feel like that guy is more likely to get divorced than a guy like you no that's not true that's not true I don't know like that's not true because Love

TTS ReaderIs Love man some people love people that that they resonate with Derek Ms one donated $99 office at atum glad to see you on here men with Integrity like yourself

Brian Atlaswill not accept the lifestyle of of girls it is sad to me to see the way Society is moving ladies think better of yourself yo Derek very good to see you back in the chat man welcome back thank

Brian Atlasyou so much for your uh message appreciate it um also I feel like man I really shouldn't have brought the conversation there of my own self assessment of like and perhaps I'm being a bit hyperbolic there like is it

Brian Atlasplausible that I could marry a girl and not get divorced of course um I I want to try to re redirect my argu mentation on this a little bit though um when it comes to

Brian Atlasmarriage what from the societal point of view because there's often a talk about and I and I 100% agree with this the nuclear

Brian Atlasfamily very important it's the best the best way to raise children um but let's say if we were comparing a married couple to

Brian Atlasa uh a non-married couple that's monogamous that stays together for life and has children on a societal impact

Brian Atlaslevel I don't see the difference like what benefit from a societal aspect does there to me there's no difference

Brian Atlasand then on the on a uh relationship level I don't really see the really the difference between I'm going to stay with this woman for the rest of my life life partner we're

Claudia (overflow)going to have kids it's going to be monogamous there's not to be infidelity I don't see the difference yeah go ahead um so so actually the

Claudia (overflow)reason why I put such high value on marriage is because of what I saw growing up with my mother and father and how my father played it was patriarchal

Brian Atlashe my mom stayed home Bas wait it was patriarchal based yeah no no no like patriarchy B I was based like okay okay

Claudia (overflow)oh based yeah got it um so so um and now growing up that's what I want from my particular family and and um I think that you want a patriarchal structure

Brian Atlasyeah cool you don't need a marriage for that I I think I do because well I'm no okay maybe you do but I'm saying I

Brian Atlasfailed to see what the difference between a marriage and a committed monogamous life partner like what is the

Claudia (overflow)difference aside from tra like observing a traditional thing because I want my children to see that we made a commitment through through church

Brian Atlasthrough through because I want I want to make sure oh so it's a religious component it's a religious compon remove religion from it because again when it comes to marriage that's not just a religious thing it's also it's also the

Brian Atlasstate's involvement I agree that the a because atheist people or A- religious people or agnostic people can also get married yes I know that but I think that

Claudia (overflow)for for me God played a really Central role in my upbringing and I want my kids to be the same and I think that a house that has God in it has less discussion

Brian Atlashas less arguments has less so that's why it's important for me but you cannot you can even not be married and still be religious like you could you could be a

Brian AtlasChristian and and be teaching your children Christian value use and even then not get married well no but I mean it's specifically yes I understand marriage is like a yes I get that but

Juliasocially I I don't know I mean I think some people there's some like people top about taxes I cannot give you an argument for why you should get married

Claudiaoutside the religious motivation oh okay then just so I mean Fair yeah okay well I don't know that I'm I'm not the voice of God I think it's really romantic that

Claudiaum in front of all of your like friends and family you get up and claim each other and then if you stick with it it's like well it's yes it's you dreamed of your wedding day since you were a little boy no that's that's I think that's

Brian Atlassomething women do but it's romantic and rtic it's biblical it's there's something it's really romantic hold on let me just make respond to that yes it's really romantic that you can make

Brian Atlasthis commitment in front of all your friends and family and it's also very pathetic when that commitment means nothing when your wife goes and sees divorce attorney and you endend up

Brian Atlasgetting divorced and all your friends are like wow I was there to witness the vows that you said I was hold on I was there to see the words come out of your mouth till death do us part your words

Claudia (overflow)mean nothing good day sir but why would I care about what everyone anyone else me and my I'm not I'm addressing her argument I'm addressing her argument I'm

Brian Atlasnot like fine you can have your own thing but she's saying well uh you you get in front of all your friends and family and then it's this commitment

Juliatill death do us part your words have to mean something and frankly nowadays they don't whether you're religious or not maybe if you hate your last name wait what that's a reason right you hate your

Claudia (overflow)last name you can get the one legal name change I have something to respond to you Brian I I if I plan to get married I'm going in like he said till death do us part I don't I'm going to take the

Claudia (overflow)word very serious you say that I do and I know that does happen and might happen and I'm hoping that it doesn't but that's why we said we have very deep conversations and very strong

Claudia (overflow)conversations about having kids about our Healthcare what if some one of us dies and stuff like that power of attorney exactly civil power of attorney you give it you can give it to your

Claudia (overflow)girlfriend I know I know but what I'm saying is is that I plan to go that that seriously and that's why we have talked

Claudia (overflow)about you made a compell AR toin the thing is Brian you like said that you're already going in with a narrative that someone's going to

Brandon Tatumdivorce you that's why you don't take it as that that's why you I think every guy should think that that's a risk it's a gamble yeah but it's a worthy investment

Brandon Tatumit's a worthy risk you say what is the benefit if it goes well it's the greatest thing that you can ever do as a man in my opinion is to be married to one woman you be you it's incredibly

Brandon Tatumimportant for a man to be stable for a man to to have to not focus on all of this other stuff as a single man it's very difficult I remember when I was single it was difficult man everybody is this woman eligible this woman I got to go on a date I got to spend all this

Brandon Tatummoney cuz I'm paying for the dates and so with with with my wife it's just way different I I came out here I'm going to the hotel I'm going to eat breakfast and I'm going home to my wife I don't have

Brandon Tatumto play no games we ain't got to text back and forth we don't need to do none I mean when I say text back and forward meaning that are does she still like me do we like each other it has created such an incredible value in my life it's

Brandon Tatumworth the investment and and and just like with a contract nobody in here would just go off of words right you know you have to sign a contract even when we came here there's a contract for certain things is right and you don't want to

Brandon Tatumjust go off a word off somebody's somebody's word that's not enough somebody can say they love you but are they willing to put skin in the game I told my wife I love her and I want to be it her for the rest of my life okay

Brandon Tatumthat's good but I proved it to her by changing her last name we're in a document that we're committed to and also I made a vow before God I'm telling her I'm not just saying this I'm willing

Brandon Tatumto go all the way with it because that's what it takes to make a sure commitment and I think that when you do that you never look back in the what ifs you will die doing what ifs what if I started the

Brandon Tatumpodcast and it didn't succeed right there's a possibility the podcast can not succeed and you could be out here just in debt and crying yourself to sleep every night but the benefit of it actually succeeding far out ways that

Brian Atlasrisk factor in the beginning but but so I mean you mentioned like all these things you have your wife that you come home to and she's there but I guess what I'm trying to bring it back to like I'm not advocating that men go and live

Brian Atlasthese Playboy Lifestyles where they just run through women they just sleep with women casually without any interest in pursuing something more serious or long term that's not what I want what I'm

Brian Atlassaying is is that I could perfectly see myself having the things that you have uh mon monogamy long-term potentially children right I'm

Brian Atlasstruggling to see when it comes to marriage because all those things that you kind of listed I could have a monogamous long-term loving relationship with one woman my entire life without

Brandon Tatumgetting married show me an example of that somebody that you know that has done that successfully you probably have one one one though but let me ask you

Brandon Tatumhave there's at least six in my family okay you got one everybody else how many of you know that's just in a monogamous relationship committed relationship and they've been together faithful to one

Brandon Tatumanother for a period of time a long period of time my brother one one six coworkers I zero and zero so it's it's I

Brandon Tatumknow a ton of people that that's in successful great marriages and they're happy and I also know people that have been divorced absolutely but more than likely the commitment the investment into it is

Brandon Tatummore important and I think it means a lot more to two people you're going to have a hard time getting a a wife that's the one you want that's okay with the up in the air stuff because you could just leave her at the drop of a dime she want

Brandon Tatumto know that you're committed too and I'm not say every woman is that way but when you sign that paper you got a lot to lose my man it's less likely exactly why I shouldn't do it though no that's why you should do it which is but you

Karen (Serena)said you have a lot lot to lose so you have in the game have in the game there's two people going into it it's a it's a contract it's like a it's a business now it's Mak you're making it a business because you might want it to be

Brian Atlaslike that what if she says that she's like thato and then later are you saying that marriage is two people staying together under threat of a lawsuit from the other no no no I'm saying I'm saying I'm saying two people staying together

Brandon Tatumout of love and commitment to one another and they have all of these qualities and benefits even through the government of being married and they have their name legally changed like my wife is legally her last name is Tatum

Brandon Tatumshe is a Tatum it's not it's not hypothetical it's not like she she put a hyphen on it she is by law legally her driver's license her passport says Tatum

Brian Atlaswe she's officially a part of my family but so there but here's the thing there are women who will go through all those steps they'll change their last name there's the marriage certificate

TTS ReaderEtc and divorce still happens so I here's the thing I I feel like most people when they get married hold on Alvin Sam donated $99 'll simplify it marriage is designed

TTS Readerfor traditional Breadwinners and not working Partners but the reality is that both parties must be financially independent so that defeats the purpose

Brian Atlasof marriage marriage is outdated abolish it business now my whole thing I mean you're you're a businessman right you have a very successful YouTube Channel you're a content creator and I'm sure

Brian Atlaslike you know I've been doing content creation for 10 years uh when you're in the content creation space you know you do sponsorships you're negotiating various contracts maybe you have people that work for you so I'm sure you have to some degree and maybe you have an

Brian Atlasattorney but I feel like we start getting a little Adept when it comes to you know you've you've reviewed contracts and stuff and I mean as a businessman you never sign a contract with someone who's rewarded for breaking

Brandon Tatumit and I feel like in today's day and age women are rewarded when they break the marriage contract finally that's what we're told it's not just about

Brandon Tatummoney if my wife would to leave me it's more than money she'll get she you got think you're a gigon you're a gig no she'll get she'll get 50% right now she

Brandon Tatumhas 100% she that's a big difference sure she has 100% right now she get anything she want anything I have is hers all of it 100% she leaves she only get 50% and then she lose the connection

Brandon Tatumshe lose the protection who do you think keep her safe who do you think make sure she got a roof over here this guy right here who do you think is making sure that they got food she ain't got to worry about nothing and I know that that's not everybody but ain't nobody

Brian Atlasgoing to leave that that's a net negative for her to leave me just to get money it's all about the money but would you also acknowledge that in today's day and age with Eon with the economy as it is most couples they're probably not in

Brian Atlasthe same situation as you you're obviously incredibly successful I would say though isn't it the case uh for most people uh they need to rely on two incomes right so I think that most people decide to live that way I don't think they have

Brandon Tatumto I think people want to have two cars and they want to have all stuff lifestyle creep yeah I think that lifestyle you can make your lifestyle conducive for the woman to stay at home and a man to go to work brother get out there and work two jobs maybe work a

Brandon Tatumnight shift you know bring home the money and the wife take care of the kids y'all don't have kids it's okay for both of y'all to work if that's what you want but people cannot make the excuse to say we just can't do it because of the modern economy you you can make it

Brian Atlashappen if you if you live within your means and I think if that's what you want you could do it gotcha um we're gonna move off of marriage here really quick and try to get into some other topics I have a couple chats here that we're going to get through then we'll

Brian Atlasget to some of our other topics we had JBS from about 40 minutes ago disagree with Brandon there I'm basing that on the conversation earlier the vast majority aren't even having sex to create hoes most women end up picking a

Brian Atlasvery small percentage of men that create this narrative because they have all the Leverage what does that this is this was before the marriage conversation I think this

Brian Atlasis related to um AR it's a it's a cop that uh oh I'm reading I was reading a different one most women ends up having pick very

Brian Atlassmall percentage of men because they have oh wait this was related to um this one I'll pull it up one more time just

Brian Atlasyeah oh oh creating hose so like I think you I think you you were saying something about how like men have this responsibility because men are just sleeping with women and you're not you're not wrong but I think what he's

Brian Atlastrying to say is it's actually a very small proportion of men that are responsible for women having high body counts because like you look at an average guy he can't most men don't have

Brian Atlasaccess to hookup culture whereas almost any single woman has access to hookup culture like take an average woman if she was so inclined she could have sex with seven new men a week whereas an average guy like he's probably

Brandon Tatumstruggling just to get a girlfriend right but the seven new men should be Honorable Men and not participate in it so just just think about this I think a lot of people forget because they can only see women external from them and

Brandon Tatumwhen I say that I mean think about your sister think about your mother think about your daughter if you're if you're a father do you want a man to treat your daughter like that that's how we should think about it you're like okay I like

Brandon Tatumthis girl but I respect her enough that that's like I did my wife of course my wife is beautiful yeah in my mind I'm like yeah I would I would love to but I respected my wife enough I said I will not go there with this woman unless I'm

Brandon Tatumwilling to make a commitment cuz I respected her I respected you know her father and all this other stuff so I think men should think about that in the context of relationships and dating think about it would you want somebody

Brandon Tatumjust smashing your mama or kind of in a relationship not in a relationship I'm kind of thinking about I don't know if I'm really be willing to be committed you don't want somebody treat your mama like that so you know I me should kind of think that way and not waste your

Brandon Tatumtime with these with with getting another body count and and I'm I'm saying this as a man who I never cared about this when I was in college yeah I I R I wanted to run it up I mean if if any beautiful woman would sleep with me

Brandon Tatumwhen I was in college I probably would have slept with her so I'm not some holier than thou dude that had never been around I've learned over time and this is the conclusion that I've come to

Brandon Tatumis that I will teach my son to be self El you do not want to waste your time and I think that if more fathers were engaged with their sons and their

Brandon Tatumdaughters we'll see a lot less of the hookup culture of regret now some women want to sleep with a lot of men have fun some people want to do porn and all that stuff if that's what you want to do have fun some men don't care about marriage they want to sleep with they want to get

Brandon TatumSTDs or whatever else to come with it baby mam then don't worry about what I'm saying I'm talking about the people that get hurt that really want love and that really want to be you know in in a committed relationship sure got it let's

Brian Atlasget a couple chats here we have Chico Papa I don't speak Spanish can somebody read this for

Karen (Serena)me what is that in English Mom what time do you go out for the bread basically okay so that's like like basically saying like at what time do you go out

Brian Atlasfor the bread so I can go out and see oh I'll see you okay we have another one here from Chico papa papa chica thank you for the 50 uh can you read this one

Karen (Serena)what no I can't C the thing read it to the real estate make you mean naranda I don't know what Nara mean but

Karen (Serena)I can kind of De what the rest of it is that's a little I mean that's rud SE what did it say well basically nakara is like someone who's like ditsy and like

Karen (Serena)just talks like this so shut up and make the tamale like basically yeah just be my maid okay oh yeah all right we have uh Hearn we got Hearn here yo Brandon

Brian AtlasI'm a fan and appreciate your assessment and perspective on things and I agree with you I used to work in Midtown team three and other officers have nothing but good things to say about you also 15

Brian Atlasis low question mark uh GTFO woman and men are different okay thank you Hearn uh do you do you have a response to Hearn or just no just shout out brother I mean he worked on the police department same Tucson so me is team

Brian Atlasthree oh go shout out to the Tucson brother we got Zoro 14 thank you thank you man appreciate it Brian you're making yourself look weak I was not that long ago in a relationship with a woman who I would call a unicorn she was as

Brian Atlasclose to perfect as you could get and I me myself messed up but at least I'm man enough to admit it okay I think this is probably in relation to the uh this came in right after the some of the divorce

Brian Atlasstuff we were talking about so all right there you have it week Brian over here um okay so let's uh we got some more topics to get into um let's see uh actually here we'll pull this one up

Brian Atlaswe had someone M1 Gand with any of the girls date a guy who legally owned a firearm uh we'll start with you go ahead um I dated a woman who had seven of them

Brian Atlasis that your ex yeah she had seven guns yeah cool um was so yes so yes okay I would yeah

Dianano no MM wouldn't t a guy who legally owned a firearm Legally Legally no one try to use because one tried to use one on me so so

Brian Atlasyou had a previous poor experience with did he legally own it was he illegally own the fire he tries to use it on you yeah jeez you see one of those gangsters you

Brian Atlaslike she goes back she like you said you like them hey maybe they'll pull a gun on you every now and again oh my God you know have you ever uh some there's like

Brandon Tatuma thing that I guess some women are into during sex they want a gun to their head yeah I heard when I was a police officer Kink or something when I was a police officer it was an unfortunate situation

Brandon Tatumwhere people were having sex and the gun was loaded and the girl ended up shooting killing the guy you can't do it with a jail risk I mean but that that's that maybe they maybe they want it to be

Brandon Tatumreal oh cuz like I could get it like you want the metal but like you can't have it loaded but it's like it's almost like people do Russian Rel they get it rush so like it's really loaded can did you respond I didn't respond to it no I just heard of it when I you heard

Brandon Tatumthe call they were I heard of it it was it was very unfortunate cuz they thought they thought she had killed her boyfriend you know in a murder situation the boy well I can see the boyfriend

Brandon Tatumwanted the girl to hold like as a king yeah I think it was to the chess but it regardless they thought she murdered him but then they look through text messages and investigation revealed that they were actually they would do this and

Brandon Tatumthis was a sex act wait so out was it manslaughter did she get charged I can't remember what they charged it with I it probably would have been man slaughter if it was unintentional the men was the police no no he was a police officer it

Brian Atlaswas just a random two people doing that for for their place cuz even if it's like consensual and he said hey I want you to hold a loaded gun still negligent yeah like so there's probably some

Brandon Tatumcriminal liability it is a criminal liability pull you actually pull the trigger you actually pulled the trigger so you actually were your negligent Behavior led to the death of somebody else yes okay wow that's interesting I

Brandon Tatummean people choke each other to death too while having they they they just and then they did so oh what about you leg what them gangsters do I don't know did the guy who owns a firearm yes

Claudia (overflow)sure I don't know now but I guess yes still if he knows how to use it yeah sure okay well how do you know if you know how to use it shoot if it's legal

Claudialegal no what I'm saying is that do you run them through a test or do you just accept they know that with they're doing so my my I don't know my grandpa teaches how people how to shoot where I'm from

Unknownso he he he'd tell me just going back to you come back to you so it sounds like you had a bad previous experience he tried wait did he shoot at you hell do

Brandon Tatumyou have a gunshot wound what's up no okay no uh I didn't open the door did you call the police huh did you call the police we don't snitch around here oh see there go ganger to pull a gun and

Dianashe won't even call on him okay um [Laughter] so so your concern would be he might use the gun I mean h even if he like owned

Dianathe gun or whatever let's say that that didn't happen to me I don't like guns okay so you don't like I just I don't I don't agree with the whole thing I don't believe in them I I just I would wait a minute you don't believe in them what do you mean you think nobody should have guns I don't yeah I just don't feel why

Brian Atlasdo you need to have a gun why do you need to kill somebody why do you need to hurt somebody with a gun you don't like for what I just don't agree I have a and just to open this up to the other women some of besides you every everyone else

Brian Atlassaid you would date a guy who owns a firearm um but when it comes to guns do you does anyone here share her view on guns or is it I was like that once you

Brian Atlaschanged though yeah okay cuz the because of the cuz something happened the lesbian woman with the seven guns is that um she changed her mind it it changed it changed my mind because uh we

Karen (Serena)got our house broken into okay but I but I prior to that did she clip a bunch of crackheads trying to

Brian Atlasbreak into the house she she came with that lifestyle already oh okay all right well so just going back to you you said that you just aren't about it well question um maybe I'll use her example

Brian Atlaslet's say you're have you've lived with a a boyfriend before MH let's say you're living with your boyfriend uh and three men three grown men break into your house uh

Brian Atlasand you said you had a a son or a daughter I know they're an adult now but let's say 10 years back they're a kid let's say you're living with your boyfriend you're living and your son's living with you three grown men break into your house you don't know what they

Brian Atlaswant maybe they're they're there to burglarize who knows maybe your gangster boyfriend's got some beef who knows he ain't really a gangster like he say so in that situation where it's just you

Brian Atlasyour son and your boyfriend three grown men break into the house in that situation would you prefer would you want your boyfriend to have a firearm no I just I don't agree with the guns I

Brian Atlasdon't agree I'll probably help them look for whatever they're trying to look for but so but so in that scenario how would you would you prefer your boyfriend to defend you if you had the choice would

Brian Atlasyou prend your prefer your boyfriend to defend you with his fists or a bat or something or would you prefer him beat their ass and that's just that they have a oh they have they have a gun you don't

Brian Atlasknow you don't know what they have What would you prefer would you like your man in that situation to have a firearm no I just I don't agree with the whole thing no so you'd

Brandon Tatumbe a no I just I don't like guns so so you you expect him so but but just say three dudes come in there I'm talking about G real gang there's other weapons but like if he said sweetheart I

Brandon Tatumwant a gun and you would say no you don't need a gun get out there and fight is that what is that how you would proceed you don't need a gun to do it that's what you would tell you don't need a gun with three dudes no there's other things you can use in the house

Brandon Tatumyou don't need a gun you got bats in there you got knives you got other you can use you don't need a gun but what if they had a gun crossbow but you know it's too late now when they in there you can't be like hey y hold on y'all got a gun or no you

Dianacan't do that then you know what that's life maybe that's the way I got to die then I got to die that's how I go for a long time so you rather

Karen (Serena)somebody shoot you before you sh your son is your son's life is on the line my son my son let let me ask Brandon a question on this Brandon she said that well let's assume that the three men

Brian Atlasthey don't have any weapons right let's just assume it's probably unlikely that that's the case but let's say she wants him to throw fist with the three dudes

Brian Atlasnow let's say you're like black belt and jiujitsu you you let's say you're even a professional MMA fighter versus three guys that's to me

Brandon Tatumthat's still like it's three onone one of them dudes may be Street too and they know how to fight they've been squaring in the street for a long

Brandon Tatumtime I I I think it's irrational to think that way you got to put it you got to compartmentalize you may not like guns because of your experience but I think it would be reasonable to say you

Brandon Tatumneed an adequate tool to defend your household in case three or four Dudes want to come and tie y'all up and rape you or something I mean I didn't want to say that okay I want to tie you up and

Brandon Tatumdo something nefarious to you you need that level of protection and and guns aren't as bad as some people think that they are once you have a gun and you shoot it you'll realize the value of of having a gun and there's a lot of other

Brandon Tatumreasons why you would want a gun tyrannical government all of the other stuff but please don't do your man like that government don't wait but so in that no no that's fine that's fine you can say it no no I was just reinforcing

Brian AtlasI was like the I was the C the I don't know whatever uh so in the situation three dudes break into the house don't want a gun you have the option to have a gun right I have mhm

Dianawouldn't you wouldn't want a gun in that situation I just I don't agree with them no agree I don't like it I've had you know why maybe I feel maybe I feel maybe I feel this way because I have had family members who died being shot maybe

Brian AtlasI feel that way about guns I just don't you know what I'm saying but in that specific situation would you not want a firearm like how you going to in thatu I mean don't don't think about

Brandon Tatumit in your house what are you doing well it we're all dying then I guess go ahead have the gun we all we're just going to have a Sho will to to just say we are going to die just to not have a gun present I mean even if the person is

Dianaproficient and they're using it to protect you your children from bad guys who want to do harm okay what what if my guy what if my guy did have a gun right and he he has it but there's three guys right yeah bang bang bang There we go

Dianayou're dead anyways no no you mean what what if they pull out and they got you he has a gun well you know he has a gun but what if he ends up what if someone gets him in the head he's dead he has the gun in his hand now now I'm dead no you pick up the gun and then he how am I

Brandon Tatumgoing pick up the gun they they're pointing it at me I ain't got time to grab the gun this is what it is you want you want to make the fight you want to make the fight as as advantageous for you as possible so having a gun is

Brandon Tatumadvantageous for you and if you have fears of guns it would be who you to talk to somebody about it or or take a gun go get shooting lessons and therefore you can you can overcome that

Brandon Tatumfear because at some point you may find a man that has a gun in the house and that doesn't need to be a deal breaker for you in my opinion what about a guard dog a guard dog honestly I think that's

Juliathe best I've lived in the hood it or not a guard dog would get shot no but if you have a really scary Rottweiler a minute wait are you saying I don't know why this is crazy wait but no I I'm not

Juliasaying it would be wrong guard dog but are you saying instead of in Li of having a firearm please don't I mean I'm saying like I think like I think that's a good

Juliaalternative I'm not saying alternative I'm not saying alternative what you what are you saying I'm just saying if I was going to defend myself I think the first before a gun I would want a dog because then people they hear it and they're really like I mean and I'm not talking

Julialike a golden doodle I'm talking like a 120 lb Rottweiler because people don't really want to like hear it you going to get a rot 12 I lived four years with a family they had a 120 lb rot his name was Samson

Brian Atlasshout out to strongest man in the Bible like even some of these big dogs somebody W like it's not a guarantee that they're going to all they have to

Brandon Tatumdo is throw peanut butter no that dog is going to eat that peanut butter and he's going to have a hard time chewing it and he can't bite that's

Brandon Tatumwhat that's how they do those dogs are well trained and they're very different so they they're they're like $30,000 dogs those police dogs are are incredible on a level dog might be a

Brian Atlasgive you a little bit of they might start barking that could give you some awareness but I don't think that should be like first line that's not going to PR prevent like if you don't have a

Juliafirearm or that's not going to prevent something from happening this is where see this is where husband I'd be cool with having a gun because he's but I've gone to a shooting range and I'm very like

Juliareactive Ive so me with this gun I was like and it scared the hell out and you know what I mean I didn't even so I'm just I know that I I didn't hit the target at all it was bad okay let me I

Claudia (overflow)think i' would be a more liability listen real quick um um there's there's this um it's called EMDR or there's trauma exposure therapy just I I can give you guys the link and then have

Claudia (overflow)someone you love and Trust like my brother-in-law he is a sheriff for the LAPD um um and he learn he actually taught me how to disarm a many times

Claudia (overflow)first and then he took us to me and my sister to the shooting range until we got um really comfortable up I personally don't own a gun because guns

Claudia (overflow)scare me too um but if I were to have a husband I would feel way more safe or or a boyfriend way more safe if he knew how to use a gun in the house but um I would

Claudia (overflow)look into it because honestly guns are safe to someone you trust and can feel because honestly there are a lot of crime crimes are going up and people

Brian Atlasthat are mentally um ill with mental illness are going up we do have to move on here okay so I'm finally going to get to some of the pre-show notes that you guys provided for us we're going to

Brian Atlasstart with Serena right mhm you're currently dating your ex-girlfriend's ex-girlfriend's dad LOL whoa that's what

Brian Atlasso tell us about that um X is X currently dating my ex-girlfriend's ex-girlfriend's Dad how old's how old is he he's older D he's in his 40s I'm not going to like give too many like

Karen (Serena)specific details cuz they might be watching hey okay um but um yeah so

Karen (Serena)uh I already was in I was already introduced to him before okay and um we were oh sorry

TTS ReaderDerek Ms won donated $99 thank you D Man I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it it's a sad existence to just let it happen and

TTS Readerjudge people for protecting their families just put a sign outside gunfree Zone works for

Karen (Serena)Chicago if you know you know um okay so it sounds like you don't really want to talk about that too much no yeah it's it's cool it's just it's it's it's like a little plot twist I

Karen (Serena)found out after the fact that we me and her broke up were still sharing my daughter right so my daughter goes over there sometimes and um I find out that her ex-girlfriend was going to the house

Karen (Serena)which means that they were still in communication because for her to go to the to the house where I was living at soon enough that means they were still in communication which I caught her lots

Karen (Serena)of times yeah so out of nowhere her dad hits my DMs and is like um oh how you you know liking it over there or whatever and I tell him what happened

Karen (Serena)and how his daughter's over there he didn't know about that and I end up knowing that um my ex ended up sleeping with

Brandon Tatumhim so uh now me and him are going word word it's trauma good times you expect it to go somewhere no oh okay um

Brian Atlassneakily sneak no it's a Revenge book in your other note here you said that men have to pick to sleep with women and women look to get money out of it it's a

Brian Atlasbusiness so what do you mean there and then are you talking from personal experience or like sugar dad have you had sugar daddies that kind of stuff I have I used to I used to be a sugar baby

Karen (Serena)I used to be a dancer oh you used to dance I used to date a porn star you dated the you used to be or you dated a

Karen (Serena)I dated a porn friends a girl or a boy a boy a man or a woman I guess a boy but it is I feel like now they now like when I'm hearing all of you guys talk

Karen (Serena)about how how you guys are talking about like the dating and the marriage and stuff this is like strange to me because I'm coming from a from a place where I'm even my mom was like well you know what

Karen (Serena)don't don't marry somebody for love marry somebody who's going to who's going to pay your bills marry someone who's going to buy your house you know it's like a business now where I come from and the dating that goes around me

Karen (Serena)like I'm not going to oh I don't want to date him because he's broke I want to date his dad because his dad has money owns businesses I know that I'm going to be well off even if he sponsors goals

Karen (Serena)it's still like a business so women now it's like I'm not going to sleep with oh actually some women are like I'm going to sleep with him for free because he's hot but most of the time the women around me are sleeping with men because

Karen (Serena)it's convenient because they're going to get something out of it and a lot of the time men around me as well will say well they want to get their money up just to be able to have the

Karen (Serena)girl they want how do you think that Dynamic is working out it's not yeah but it seems like it's like a it's it's a circle that just keeps happening in my community

Karen (Serena)it's called trauma trauma that's what it is it's trauma and I feel like it's it's I'm not sure if it's because of where I'm from or my

Karen (Serena)culture cuz I'm not I'm Mexican but I'm not liked in in Mexico like if I go to Mexico like oh you're not you're not like us but out here me being looked at

Karen (Serena)as a Mexican it's like I'm I don't fit in either so it's kind of like it became a culture to be Cho and Cho is a lot being Cho comes with a lot of

Brandon Tatumtrauma yeah yeah I think same thing I I grew up everybody divorced Baby M and baby daddies and all this other crazy stuff and and it is generational and cultural you know when I was was growing

Brandon Tatumup I had a piece of uh paper that I wrote about my goals in 5 years when I was a senior in high school and one of my goals was to have a child and then a year later marry my baby mama is what I

Brandon Tatumwrote on that piece of paper and that's generational chaos that passed down that I'm hoping that people that watch the show can overcome and say that is they

Brandon Tatumcan identify that say that is generational trauma that's not love and you deserve better A lot of times in my wife when I talk about this all the time and this is her saying this is that a lot of women because of the trauma that

Brandon Tatumthey've been through they feel like they don't deserve it they feel like because daddy didn't love me maybe I don't deserve to be loved and that's not true and I really wish that through conversations like this people can

Brandon Tatumdevelop a mindset to go up and beyond that and realize that marriage is really a good thing and loving for money is is only going to lead to hurt well that's the re well when I my best relationship

Karen (Serena)was with a woman my best relationship all the men that I've had before they they weren't living up to this expectation of of marrying this man but

Karen (Serena)this woman that I was in a 4-year relationship with within 9 months she proposed to me so I started seeing something like okay marriage probably does exist cuz as a child I never saw I never pictured being married I never

Karen (Serena)pictured my wedding dress or anything like that because again because of what I grew up with but then I see I meet her she's she's at the beach she's on one

Karen (Serena)knee she's asking me to marry her she comes from a family with you know uh they're also uh very religious she comes

Karen (Serena)from an island where people love each other and family is first I married into something that was fake so it makes me you marri you married her no well not married but you know I lived with her

Brian Atlasand we used to call each other you and my wife my wife oh wife wife is there somebody like if a lesbian a couple gets married is one of them wear suit or do they both wear she she would wear a suit

Karen (Serena)she she'd be the one to wear Su she would wear the suit yeah okay but I've seen where they both wear dress it just depends on if one of them there's there's different yeah to to lesbianism I would say there's different stages

Karen (Serena)there's the fem the stem the stud the Butch and the Dyke what is the stem stem yeah I heard the but in the D or whatever what's the stem I would be a f and then so you're feminine

Karen (Serena)explanatory and what's a stem though a stem is a a mixture between a fem and a stud what's a stud what is a stud is like a one to Dr like a boy uh basically

Karen (Serena)she still has her hair maybe cut shaves it off halfway you know but you're you're still very feminine but very masculine so a stem would be a girl who dresses like a boy but still wears

Brandon Tatummakeup oh but would she be the would she be the man in the relationship cuz you get what I'm saying because in the dynamic like the other person was the man she dressed like a boy she got on

Karen (Serena)one knee she's like traditionally the male in the relationship with the stem be that wouldn't depend on the other she can do that but I mean two F can do that too so there's no there's really

Brian Atlassomething here I got uh moving to Diane you said Diana huh Diana oh sorry sorry sorry my my bad my bad um two guys I

Dianadated tried to kill me yeah so oh my gosh it sounds like had both gun related or no the one had a knife at my neck that one was different yeah good times

Brian Atlaslike um like okay uh so you said one had his side piece bust all the windows to my

Brian Atlascar and put bullet holes on my driver's side while I was in the house till this day she could never face me yet she called me to

Brian Atlasapologize and I will beat her ass day I see her yeah okay good times um MH wow

Brian Atlasokay okay you've had some you've had a colorful uh that's just one story but oh that's just one okay she's got um number two been single for going on seven years don't think I'll ever date again because

Brian Atlaspeople are scando and sleep around yep um but but I mean you said you've been single for seven years but there's been some sneaky links right little piece

Dianahere piece there little something something I mean there was someone I was like talking to for like by talking talking like seeing him for like about six months and when you say talking to

Brandon Tatumdo you mean having sex with sleeping with yeah okay yeah so it's not just like strictly talking you know what I mean you know what I'm saying so if you get a girl to say I was just I talked

Brian Atlasonly two dudes in between that's that's what they were smashing okay gotcha um so uh also uh how I see it if you're dating someone don't get your feelings too deeply

Brian Atlasinvolved because you're not the only one they are seeing it enjoy it for what it is now you're saying like that the men you were dating they would be seeing multiple women but were you seeing multiple men no if I'm talking to

Brian Atlassomebody I'm going to be all about that person one okay that's resp respect respect mhm okay y okay got it got it we

Brian Atlashave Jessica here yesica Jessica yes yes Jessica or Jessica Jessica Jessica okay yes a guy was going to move here from England to start dating me but I met my current boyfriend in the meantime and

Yasicacanceled the trip how did that work so you're saying you were talking to a guy so I was I used to live in England and I met him and then we well he asked me to

Yasicabe his girlfriend before I I came back here you came back to the US yeah yeah so then we continued dating um but then going out everything I met who my current boyfriend is and I started

Yasicaliking him more but he already had plans to move here in December so and but this no this December last December years five years

Brian Atlasago wait so let me get a time frame here so okay how long were you in the UK for I was there for six months six months and when did you you were dating the guy

Brian Atlasfor you met him pretty early on in the trip or no just like two months two months yeah uh you guys like each other you move but you have to move back to

Brian Atlasthe United States how quickly after moving back to the United St states did you meet your current boyfriend um like four months four months after having moved back once I

Brian Atlaswas here already and so you in the meantime for that four-month period you were in a long distance relationship with the guy in England yes and it was

Brian Atlasexclusive um yes okay so in that four-month period he was making plans to eventually come

Yasicavisit you uh so when was he scheduled to come visit you so for December to spend like all the holidays with my family

Brian Atlaslet's let's say okay so you met him you were in England for you knew him for two months you were there for 6 months you knew him for 2 months you were in a long-distance

Brian Atlasrelationship with him for 4 months um yeah when at what so okay four months the end of the four months is when October

Brian AtlasNovember um November okay so he was he was going to move after four months well I guess come to visit her he was going to come to visit yeah

Brian Atlasso you and then you met your now current boyfriend mhm and then so he had already bought the plane tickets oh

Brian Atlashe was he going to stay with you a hotel oh with me but so how how soon before his flight did you call things

Yasicaoff boing boarding group one I mean completely off like a month before half a month a month before the flight no oh it was sooner sister said snitch

Eileenshe know snitch she's to tell it I think it was sooner like when like later like like a

Yasicaday no like a day no but I remember you were like it's cuz she just something happened and then we were going to work

Yasicaon it but I liked my Quin boyfriend more so I was like no so I'm so confused did he

Juliacry wow you don't know as the pl $800 at least no he blocked me he blocked you the England self-respecting man the England's

Brandon Tatumboyfriend okay that's good times good times that's why that's why you shouldn't do long distance never um but you told him that you like this other guy I mean I told him obviously yeah cuz

YasicaI wasn't into my like my current boyfriend he came up to me and I was like not interested at all and then this is funny cuz he then came to me and said I like your

Yasicafriend and I was like what like he would come to me start talking about this other girl so then I started talking to him and then we got to know each other

Brandon Tatumand I liked him I don't know it was very weird Okay um yeah she she wanted them after that other friend she's like oh you like my

Brandon Tatumother friend I got to get him

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