She BANKRUPTS Men?! Women STRONGER?! Debate GOD Andrew Wilson! Ahegao Queen Nala! | Dating Talk #123

Date: 2023-12-01

Duration: 7h 06m

Guests

Brian Atlas

KKyla (NotSoErudite)>

PPixie (DT130)>

SSalem (DT128)>

AAlexa (Whatever)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_03Eden(guest)

SPEAKER_05Caitlyn(guest)

SPEAKER_06Salem(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Kyla(guest)

SPEAKER_10Nala(guest)

SPEAKER_13Alexa(guest)

SPEAKER_14Pixie(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteNala Ray introduces herself as the 'Ahegao Queen', 25yo, lives in the valley, OnlyFans.

“hi I'm Nala the AO queen I am 25 years old I literally live in the valley right now in California and I'm on only fans”

QuoteNala reveals she had a kink for cheating but clarifies it was in unhealthy relationships, and that in a healthy relationship she would not cheat.

“I haven't helped anyone cheat recently or even in at least the last year”

Key MomentAndrew Wilson states he would disown an adult daughter doing OnlyFans 'until she cleaned up her life.'

“I would not be participating with her or allow her in my life it's probably EAS that why is that awful”

QuoteBrian reveals Nala earns nearly $150,000/month from OnlyFans.

“I went from being a pastor's daughter to millionaire only fans model and make nearly $150,000 a month”

Key MomentKyla (NotSoErudite) invokes the Prodigal Son parable against Andrew's disowning position.

“the father allowed him to live out the consequences of that but the father didn't dis him”

QuoteNala confirms she could have retired a year before this episode.

“I could have retired a year ago”

QuoteSalem reveals she has had ~30 sugar daddies/pay pigs, with 7 sending over $100k each.

“not too many probably only like seven”

ControversyAndrew Wilson calls Pixie 'not worth debating' over her refusal to concede men are stronger than women.

“if you're so stupid you don't understand men are stronger than women you're not worth debating”

QuotePixie finally concedes men are stronger than women after Kyla presents a meta-analysis framework.

“based on the information that I've gained from this episode I'm going to say yes the men would be stronger than women”

QuoteCaitlyn admits to physically striking her ex-boyfriend multiple times during arguments at age ~16.

“I would just have a physical reaction”

QuoteNala says she collaborated with YouTube prankster Vitaly on an OnlyFans video and deeply regrets it.

“it was the worst thing I've ever done in my life I wish I could take it back”

QuoteEden reveals a body count of approximately 50-70, mostly condensed into a few months at age 19.

“it's definitely under 70 maybe 60 maybe 6 like it's up”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Brian introduces show; guests introduce themselves: Nala Ray, Kyla/NotSoErudite, Pixie, Caitlyn, Eden, Salem, Alexa, Andrew Wilson.

Relationship Status & Dating History

Each guest shares relationship status, longest relationship, recent situationships. Includes Caitlyn's ex passing on Thanksgiving, Nala's 2-year single streak, Salem's 30+ on-off breakup situation, Alexa's 50-dates-in-50-days experiment, Kyla's 6-year marriage.

OnlyFans: Finances, Family Reactions, Career Plans

Discussion of OF earnings, family knowledge and reactions. Nala's $150k/month, ability to retire. Salem's sugar daddies (~30 total, >$700k combined). Nala's pastor father accepts her. Eden's Catholic Filipina mom. Kyla's Muslim family risk. Whether OF is a career or stepping stone.

Pastor's Daughter to OnlyFans (Nala's Story)

Nala's background as a pastor's daughter. Felt caged by church modesty standards. Left at 18. Pursued OnlyFans for financial freedom and self-expression. Invests and supports family.

Parenting, Disowning, and Enabling Adult Children

Andrew Wilson states he would disown an adult daughter doing OnlyFans until she 'cleaned up.' Debate on Christian parenting, the Prodigal Son parable, parental love vs. enabling. Nala, Eden, Kyla present counter-arguments.

Monogamy, Polyamory, and Relationship Structures

Eden discusses non-monogamy, having had two boyfriends simultaneously (cuck dynamic). Debate on whether monogamy is natural. Kyla's marriage separation. Salem's on-off relationship patterns.

Sugar Babies, Pay Pigs, and Wealth Extraction

Salem discusses ~30 sugar daddy/pay pig relationships, individual payments up to $30k, multiple men sending over $100k total. Explains pay pig dynamics. Plans to quit OF when moving to Dubai.

Physical Strength: Men vs. Women

Brian revisits debate from previous episode with Pixie. Pixie resists conceding men are physically stronger. Panel cites grip strength studies, deadlift records, high-school boys vs. female Olympians. Pixie eventually concedes based on meta-analysis framing by Kyla. Andrew Wilson frustrated by Pixie's position.

Dating App Culture and 50 Dates/50 Days

Alexa's 50-dates-in-50-days experiment: met first serious boyfriend on date 14, second on date 23. Brian's reaction: would leave a date if she had 7 more lined up. Panel debates whether simultaneous multi-dating is ethical.

Feminism, Oppression, Patriarchy

Survey of feminist positions on the panel. Debate on patriarchy, systemic oppression of women in the US, sexual harassment in STEM. Whether you can be racist against white people or sexist against men. Andrew Wilson challenges systemic racism definitions.

Racism, Sexism, and Definitions

Can you be racist against white people? Can you be sexist against men? Panel votes; debate on power+prejudice definition vs. simple prejudice. Andrew Wilson's logic about Asian vs. Black racism. Pixie's struggle to apply framework consistently.

Trans Women, Sexuality, and the 'Gay' Hypothetical

Extended debate: is it gay to perform oral on a trans woman? Megan Fox vs. Hulk Hogan hypothetical. What determines sexual orientation — genitalia, secondary sex characteristics, or attraction. Kyla and Andrew's prolonged categorical argument.

American Civil War and Slavery

Brief debate: Andrew Wilson says he would have sided with the Confederacy for sovereignty reasons (not slavery). Caitlyn and Kyla argue every seceding state's declaration mentioned slavery.

Plastic Surgery and Body Standards

Brian argues against plastic surgery; prefers natural bodies. Salem discusses insecurity from being in the OF industry (skinny body not featured). Kyla cites studies showing small amounts of plastic surgery can reduce psychiatric illness rates. Salem considering moving to Europe for natural beauty standards.

Body Count Round

End-of-show body count round. Nala: doesn't count. Eden: ~50-70. Alexa: can count on one hand. Andrew Wilson: more than one hand but wife is watching. Salem: declined to answer. Kyla/NotSoErudite: 1 (husband only). Pixie: not stated.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsonto be made no I don't think that organization in massive Society is a feminine trait and I don't know how you could convince me that it is okay because we would talk about like the

Kylafundamental traits if organization and social cohesion and empathy are dominant like like you can apply it to masculinities if you want I don't give a all this stuff is like socially made and socially organized but when we look back at history when like

Kylaliterature talks about like the social cohesion agent or the organizing agent it's often times the women they're given like nurturance role they're given in like collection and like organization roles why even in our society you see women hold on you got let me finish this

Andrew Wilsonis why even in our society you see like dominating HR one of the most important human organization groups I got got to push back again I I think that what you're talking about here is support roles so yes women are great in support

Andrew Wilsonorganizational roles but here's what they're not great at they're not great quarter Masters they're not great equipment Masters they're not great at organizing armies they're not great at any of that what they are great is at

Andrew Wilsonsmaller tasks like pay masters organizing for food organizing for cookware things like this though before we you know could organize women to do cooking uh basically the Roman Legions

Andrew Wilsonwould go around and actually collect food themselves but what I'm saying to you is that no I think that for smaller tasks for support tasks yes nursing things like this but I think that when

Andrew Wilsonit comes to the overarching society and how it's organized yeah I would say that uh it's definitely definitely masculine same thing churches organized Societies in a big way you you cited that yourself

Andrew Wilsonthose were basically always run by men everywhere sure you think my position is well I think that you're trying to say that organization is a feminine trait okay do you know the rest of I take with

Andrew Wilsonthat or is that the main part well I mean this is what we're arguing over sort of we're arguing about masculinities and femininities that's what we're talking about but you're

Andrew Wilsonyou're saying that mass organization is more of a female or a you know feminine I didn't say Mass organization I said organizing People based on social

Kylastructures is dominantly more feminine it seems to be more feminine tra because not because women do it more often it's exclusively do you know what the word means I'm sorry if I'm being a super nerdy and it's okay if you don't it's

Kylalike a really obscure word okay AR was this concept in the Greek that was like it's this idea of like the most important cultural value and the way that we tend to like look at cultures is by what their literature writes about when you look at the literature when it

Kylacomes to like social connection social organization and social glue factors typically that the literature that societ is based on puts women in that

Kylarole dominantly while as things like protectiveness protectiveness leadership is often where men that would be something that we would call a masculinity yeah but the leadership and

Andrew Wilsonmass organiz what I'm this is exactly what I'm saying in fact so you're talking about Minor support rules for organization you're talking about things like nursing and child things like this but when you're doing actual

Andrew Wilsonorganization of men I'm talking about forms for which forms I'm talking about like platonic forms why would you say platonic forms and then and then look at modern civilization that's what you just cited sorry I I think I lost you there

Kylawhen I'm saying I'm looking at platonic forms you're saying like yeah but women do this role and I'm saying that's not what I'm talking about I'm talking about the emergent themes that societies ascribe to masculinity versus feminity

Andrew WilsonI'm telling you that those themes in line with masculinity definitely have to do with the roles of massive armies and the organization of those massive armies the organizations of churches the

Kylaorganizations of building of infrastructure the organizations of all not masculinities these are not forms these are things that men are doing in the patriarchy when we're talking about masculinity we're talking about character traits typically we're talking

Kylaabout things like protectiveness leadership aggression assertiveness is typically associated with masculinity whereas with femininity it's typically empathy right um uh nurturance these are

Andrew Wilsonthings that are attached into these you can pop these with like this is how I attribute these things fine but what I'm saying is that as a matter of record it is not the case that women really are

Andrew Wilsonthe ones organizing anything in society so if that's just the point that you want to uh add that as a feminine trait fine I'll concede it just to move the conversation on literally my but but

Andrew Wilsonwhen it's mapped on to reality that not always in the leadership and they always more so when we go back to the point then and we're talking about when the men feels bad and the woman feels bad

Andrew Wilsonand how women and men both you know interact with how men and women feel bad you can see why there'd be a distinction for how women judge men and how men

Andrew Wilsonjudge men and why that would be necessary that men do show a bit less emotion probably a lot less emotion that also one thing I found here in this

Andrew Wilsonpodcast every single episode I've watched this question usually gets asked do you want a more dominant man or a less dominant man and you know what they all say I want a more dominant man and I want him to show less emotion and I want to show more leadership which is what

Kylayou were saying and more virtues which is what you were saying that's what they all say sure and I would agree with basically all of that the point that I was trying to make is what tends to make people like when we look at the most respect worthy people um I'm not sure if

Kylathere's any like historical figures that you look up to necessarily like Jesus is Napoleon Bon you just picked him because he's short okay you're trying to dig it in um

Brian Atlason on this thread if you guys can make uh like your each one of fin keep we got some more juicy stuff though so uh if you just if you can make your final points on this we'll talk about

Kyladrama after I promise okay um basically what I'm saying is if we look at like some of the most respect worthy characters that we look up to something like Jesus for example I Think Jesus is a great example for men to try to embody

KylaJesus has both got tons of masculine traits and feminine traits and I think one of the most harmful things that feminism has often done not just feminism but like the way that we've engaged with genders specifically is describing like men can only be

Kylamasculine and women can only be feminine it's like no healthy people tend to blend both of these things and that's what makes you good which means like it's okay if men say like yeah social coordination with people is a little bit more feminine it's just fine you're

Andrew Wilsonallowed to be like feminine and Excel at something that's fine yeah so some agreement and then Mass disagreement so first of all these traits that we're talking about are arbitrary so they like if you're talking about courage wisdom

Andrew Wilsonthings like this can I pause I'm so sorry when you say arbitrary could you just make sure that I understand what you're saying there's no real system for it there's no real system in order for doing this other than like maybe subjective observations other than like

Andrew Wilsonwhat Society emerges right the system is what societ you could say yeah you could say maybe something emergent but since there is no courage is not masculine nor feminine right but we look to the

Andrew Wilsonextremes so what we're saying is is that we see it most often here we see it most often there we see it most often with the that's why we assigned the traces

Andrew Wilsonway so hang on let me I just let you go just go okay so what I'm saying is that in this particular case when we're looking at what I would consider to be

Andrew Wilsonmasculine traits in the patriarchy and things like this the reason that men probably should be very cautious about showing too much emotion is because on the other end for those feminine traits

Andrew Wilsonthey punish them greatly for doing it and I don't blame them I don't blame them I don't blame women no because I have as little respect for those men as

Brian Atlaswomen do so well sorry sorry we do we do have to move on but we got some more fair yeah we we got some more interesting stuff uh Pixie were you able to answer I think you wanted to give an example of how you were oppressed um oh well I was going to

SPEAKER_00ask you if you can first Define oh my gosh wait hold on just donated $200 panel equality or Equity equality

SPEAKER_00equal access to opportunity Equity opportunity based on circumstance sex do you hire lesbian p with 3.5 GP or white

Brian Atlasmale with 4.0 GPA okay jerson from 2016 way thank you by the way modest thank you for doing that during like a little transition period I I appreciate

Brian Atlasit glad that we didn't cut anybody off but thank you man appreciate it um yeah you want me to Define oppression yeah because it seems like every single time that we start gole can we google it I mean I just yeah we can use defition uh

Brian AtlasPro well the first one that comes up prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control also the state of being subject to unjust treatment or control so I'd say both and I would say both and that we could

Pixieprobably all agree both and could you just scoot your mic that way just to time so like I think probably you would agree to both one and two yeah I I think um both are forms of both are

Pixiedefinitions of Oppression for sure are those satisfactory yeah I'm just confused because earlier on in the conversation we were talking about like unjust treatment between women or like how this can be one example or another I felt like you were saying like oh but is

Pixiethat really oppression and it's like yeah if it's an unjust treatment or at least what we perceive to be unjust maybe there's a deeper conversation there then it would fall under the category like when I think of Oppression it typically comes from like some like

Brian Atlassystematic oppression is that what you mean like it's an institution if something unjust happens to me it's not clear if I'm being oppressed because you could have some unjust thing occur to you in a romantic relationship that

Brian Atlasdoesn't mean you're you're oppressed typically it's it seems like some sort of top down oppression so you're saying it has to be structural that's why I'm trying to clarify cuz so well no it could be mult multiple so it could be

Andrew Wilsonstructural right that could be a way that it's done yeah but it could be group based that doesn't have like a big massive structure so like I would say gang activity would be oppressive

SPEAKER_00rightor donated $200 well there's dominance and authority and diplomacy and empathy which shouldn't be confused

Brian Atlaswell put we'll put St R stupid so I guess whatever your sense of Oppression is I guess um what how do you feel you're oppressed and we won't linger

Pixiehere too long but okay um I think in at least an Institutional level there has been like multiple studies conducted where it seems that it's regardless of your qualifications regardless if you're even like more qualified for a position

Pixieif you have like a female sounding name or a female looking name or whatever um you are less likely to be seen as competent or less likely to be hired for the job compared to your male I'm just curious who conducted those studies was it a feminist studies program that

Brian Atlasalready that had already determined what the answer to the study would be before conducting stud how most studies are conducted of course wait that happens

Pixieall the time you go in with a bias and you're seeking to confirm whole point of at least the studies that I'm citing right is that in general you have the experimental design right right where

Pixiethey decide like okay how are we going to measure this okay we're going to put um let's say two resumés um one more qualified than the other we're going to blank the names and then see like which ones the professors pick over and over again right or which ones the professors

Pixielean more towards now we're going to give them the same sample or the same studies a little bit later um but we're going to unblank the names and then if they're picking the ones that are like male more despite before doing that

SPEAKER_00reverse well that does show like some level of bias okay um Saint uncore easy donated $200 how is it stupid somebody with you I stupid I laughed and said stupid oh

Brian Atlasbeing like there's four words it's like yeah that's not I guess what's happening in that study let's assume that it's that study is valid is it actually applicable to what's going on

Brian Atlasin the real world and also I guess a Counterpoint to that is well what about affirmative action because that that seems that that's something that is actually happening that is proven

Pixiehappening yeah so to my understanding like affirmative action when it usually takes place it's like you have two um what is it two resumés that are equally qualified and then one like goes to like

Pixiethe minority group basically um that isn't represented in your company enough or whatever um do women benefit from affirmative action um they have in the past but I think it's been like

Pixieoverstated how much they benefit by um basically at least from the stuff I've read like even if you have like a person or company that's saying like oh yeah like we're pro affirmative action like that's what we want that's what we're

Pixiegoing to do that doesn't necessarily translate to reality um you can see this a lot in like stem or engineering jobs where you do have women who are like in these like highly qualified fields or positions um that are still seen as like

Pixieless competent than their counterparts or in addition to this if you want to talk about other systems of Oppression um if you want to see like what rates why women drop out of said stem field

Pixiestem said stem said stem job um a lot of it does correlate to like sexual harassment in the field or the chances of them being like again like diminished because of their sex so it doesn't like that's another form I guess that you can

Pixieargue about oppression that even in highly qualified Fields women are still more likely to experience um sexual harassment or demeaning to their counterparts but but isn't it also true

Pixiethat sexual harassment that men experience goes far less reported than the sexual harassment that women experience yes but even we're talking like pure numbers wise it seems like

Andrew Wilsonjust in these fields in general um the more men that you have in a field the more likely a woman in that field is going to get like sexually herass yeah I mean but that's just that's just the odds of addition right so every new man

Pixiethat you add in increases the the chances that something like that will happen yeah but then it also seems that like when the numbers are like 50/50 or whatever women like 50 50 male 50 women women are still reporting even like in

Pixieprivate surveys right like let's just say like anonymous survey data like that um higher rates of sexual harassment than men even though it's that could easily be offset by the fact that men report that they're sexually

Kylaharassed far less yeah but we're not we're not talking about like official uh they don't need to be official they still report it less even if it's not official men a part of the issue is that men often don't see something as sexually harassing that a woman would

Kylaright so like a lot of women will make like weird comments about a guy's ass or something like that um and they wouldn't necessarily PR sexual harass but a woman might so that there's there's a really big issue in like subjective reporting

Andrew Wilsonwhen it comes to like who's going to report what CU most men will probably not want to report but you would agree with me that if the same behavior that a woman does to a man and a man does to a

Andrew Wilsonwoman which the woman would perceive or most women would perceive as sexual harassment or saay uh or not saay sexual harassment and then the flip side to that is that if that same behavior is

Kylagiven to towards a man he just doesn't perceive it that way that doesn't mean it isn't right oh I I fully agree with you there's a really interesting study actually about um I think it was the CDC who was talking about like one and three women have experienced like sexual

Kylaassault or something like that but when you actually looked at the study when they asked men um they didn't include for men that if a woman forcibly sits on you while you're erect that that is considered sexual assault and so when they actually updated that it turned out

Kylathat the rates of sexual assault between both genders was a lot closer because men were like I had no idea that that was sex so I was just going to like well I mean now so that would necessarily go far less reported then inside of all of

Andrew Wilsonthese types of things so when you're talking about this I can kind of really point to Something in in this control that would be very difficult for you to compensate for which is how do you control for that okay even if I grant

Pixieyou that right there does seem to be like when it comes to um what is it like let's say other forms of like sexual discrimination whether it's like rates of promotion um or just straight up just

Andrew Wilsonas like competency it does seem that just having like a male sounding name does give you a yeah but I got a reputation for this too and this is something that I found uh there was very

Andrew Wilsonsimilar studies done on black hiring versus white hiring right and so here's what they found if you sent in a name that had like a black sounding name

Andrew Wilsonversus a white sounding name they would look at the um you know the the names of the the white people more than the black sounding Nam okay so that kind of rolls into the same type of thing that you're talking about

Andrew Wilsonbut here's what was interesting about the controls for that study what they didn't do is send do the experiment in reverse and send in the black sounding name and then the like low class white

Andrew Wilsonsounding names like Bubba Cletus things like that had they introduced that control the study would maybe have been completely different so this same

Andrew Wilsoncontrol apparatus might apply here when you're talking about female names versus male names names there could be that there's a lot of low class sounding female names and they used far more of

Andrew Wilsonthose than they did you know the uh uh higher class mail sounding names for instance or something like this so unless I saw the control I'd never be able to determine that just like they

Andrew Wilsondidn't introduce the control the other way in the uh racial studies yeah well put I do have to move it on

Brian Atlasum I had I had a question um in our last uh if I recall going to you and we'll open

Andrew Wilsonthis to the entire panel here dating podcast by the way um well actually that I feel like that's probably really pertinent oh not not

Brian Atlasthat conversation you're having but what I'm about to get into um oh no this is is a politics podcast I guess uh I I don't want to misquote you but if I

Brian Atlasrecall I think you said that you cannot be sexist against men is that is that correct um and you can't be racist against white people o yeah so when we

Brian Atlaswhen we came to the understand the mutual understanding wellit you you got to hear this one go ahead go ahead go ahead go ahead go ahead um we came to the mutual

Caitlynunderstanding of like the definition of racism and sexism in this context so um it it was um Power and what was that

Brian Atlasword that you had used you saying Prejudice well so so prej that that wasn't my definition but we provided that because you were seeking the

Andrew Wilsondefinition of uh sexism is Prejudice plus power or racism is Prejudice plus power the clarification that was given to your question so your question was well how do you see it Brian said I see

Andrew Wilsonit as uh Prejudice plus power is then then is that what you mean and you said yeah that's what I mean okay I don't agree with that definition though but okay well then and I appreciate you for you know providing that definition

Caitlynbecause I think it's a good one when we're talking about sexism and racism in this context I think that you know people can have prejudices like a white person or a black person can have prejudice against white people as a matter of fact they do have prejudice

Brian Atlasagainst white people because you know it's generational like that so but here I'll just ask the questions and you I guess you can say yes or no can you be racist against a white

Brian Atlasperson no can you be sexist against men no okay I want to go around the table on this because why not but I will come back to that pixie your answer yeah you can be racist towards white people and

Brian Atlasyou can totally be sexist towards men okay or actually let's hold on I'm going to ask you to actually I'll ask you go ahead I don't really feel you can be racist towards white people but I feel

Edenlike you Prejudice towards men not only feel you can be pre sexist against men yeah yes but you can't be racist against white people

EdenI mean I feel like there's probably like extreme examples but it's just I just don't feel comfortable feel like with that I don't feel like I feel like that word holds so much weight that is harder for a white person to experience but there's definitely probably like

SPEAKER_02situations okay what about you I think you can can you be racist against white people can you be sexist against

SPEAKER_02men that's a hard question you can be sexist towards men towards men

SPEAKER_02okay yes and um can you be racist against white

Brian Atlaspeople no okay uh Alexa what about you yes to both yes to both sexist uh Nala can you be racist against white people can you be sexist against men um you

Nalacannot I mean yes you can be racist towards white people I think it goes with anyone ethnically um sexist towards men AB absolutely absolutely what about

Brian Atlasyou yeah obviously yes wait can I change my answer can you change your answer uh what's your new answer based on the consensus of the table what was your

Salemoriginal answer you can't be what change your answer how I think I think you can be racist towards white people I think obviously it it really depends on what

Brian Atlassure now my follow-up question is for those of you who said no to either um wouldn't it be racist Andor sexist to Simply state that you cannot be racist against a white

Brian Atlasperson or that you cannot be sexist against men I think it's just a perspective I because I don't mean I don't but you okay if you say you can't be racist

Brian Atlasagainst white people you are saying that white people do not face any sort of discrimination or Prejudice due to their

Brian Atlasrace Ergo you've made some sort of judgment call about white people which to me would be racist so that type of

Caitlynjudgment made towards white people wouldn't be one of like a bias and in judging of their character so the way that I'm envisioning uh racism in you

Caitlynknow in this example is um having biases and then having those biases or okay having biases against the character simply because of

Caitlynrace and then having those biases impact these groups of people on a systemic

Caitlynbasis or level um so me thinking that people or you can't be racist to white people it's just it's not saying that you can't be prejudiced against white

Caitlynpeople because I already stated that I think black people and other people of color do have a lot of prejudice against white people I think that exists but I don't think that at least in America from what I understand in America America um white people are not

Caitlynoppressed systemically and they do not experience systemic racism what about white women I thought you said earlier you said women were oppressed so

Caitlynso a little confused because of their race they are oppressed because of their gender so there's a lot of intersectional issues and they kind of overlap like a white uh disabled person

Brian Atlascan be oppressed because they're disabled so intersectionality yeah um yes do you have like a explanation when it comes to why you think you can't be racist against white people I mean cuz it's kind of like just like what she was

Edensaying like it's systemic against other races like with white people it's like people think you're corny or like certainly I feel like this like the the type of things you're going to face are going to be more like in social situations versus like if your person of

Edencolor goes down way deeper than just social situations it's systemic okay um so and was it just you who thinks I think

Edenyou said you could be sexist you can be sexist against men correct or I thought it was just you so I think it might have been just me I don't did I say you could be sexist towards men can can you be sexist against

Edenmen I mean like actually yes now I think about it yes now that I think of examples yes so wait question people say men can't get raped and like that which I think is really can't see wa you wait you

Brian Atlasthink me hold on when people say that I think that's an awful thing to say that's that was the thing in my head you think it's awful for people to say that wait I'm a little confused do you get ESS and stuff like do you believe that men can't get ESS no they can they

Brian Atlasdefinitely can and they do um that's fine so I have a question so can a can a black person they can't be racist against a white

Edenperson like it there probably that's for both of you yeah Prejudice could a could a Latino person be racist against a white

Brian Atlasperson no can an Asian person be racist against a white person can oh so okay can for this conversation are you saying asian-americans despite being minorities

Brian Atlashave I feel like we're power in and I can only speak on in the US like okay well okay well there are Asian Americans and Latino Americans black Americans but

Caitlynokay can blacks be racist can black people be racist against Asian people I think it's a different type of racism because black people do not have the power to um uphold that racism

Kylaagainst Asian people the most it would be would be a bias or a colorism you realize how racist that is to say right totally just to say black people can't do anything like it's

Kylalike what like I'm sorry what's is there something genetically off with black people that they like can't manage to like navigate like where's this line of reasoning go it's so racist to be like black people cannot I know that you're

Kylatalking about like a group but it's just like bigotry of low expectation is still racism it's still a problem it's not okay yeah and I understand that point um but I don't think that's what I'm trying

Caitlynto say and I apologize if I'm saying it wrong um or like in a way that is not effectively communicating what I am trying to say white I'm sorry black people are capable of doing things like

Brian Atlasduh and just because they are I mean like oh I know that's what I'm saying oh my gosh um are okay are

Brian AtlasLatinos cap are are Asian can Asian people be racist against black people I'm going to say yes because cult it's interesting that you're quicker to say that Asians can be racist against black

Brian Atlaspeople but black people can't be a racist against Asians that's interesting because that's because of the level of information that I have um and or knowledge that I have

Caitlynum but I do think I don't know if I would call it racist from what I understand it is more colorist so um Asian people from what I understand

Caitlynagain um have cultural biases that lead them to prefer fairer skin culturally and you know um they have more maybe

Caitlynrespect for fairer skin than darker Skin So if you notice like in Asian culture um the lower income people or communities I guess have darker skin tones and then the wealthier communities

Caitlynhave fair skin tones like they s like skin beaching products and certain things yeah so that's more colorist it's you know more based on like the actual instead of the race itself it's

Brian Atlasjust the color cuz you're like a dark Asian person is still Asian just to ask you the same okay just to ask you the same question like do can black PE can a black person be racist

Edenagainst a white person cuz I feel like it's like if a a white person is being racist towards a black person it's like the reason like when like okay like when she was talking about like in uh like how Asian people like there's the colorism in the

Edencommunities where their skin bleaching and it's kind of seen as more attractive to be fair like obviously as a black person if you see that in their culture like you can kind of assume that same logic is going to apply onto you so I'm not saying that justifies racism but I'm

Edensaying I feel like the basis of like black people being you know maybe wanting to date within their race is because they've seen Maybe people of um wher Asian families having very racist

Edenparents or you know fetishizing them or certain things versus like the reason that they might be more um like hesitant to to do that see like the reason for it

Edenis like not just some random General hate it's because of the racism they've experienced themselves it's like a defense thing can I ask a question can a

Andrew Wilsonblack person be racist towards an Asian person I mean yeah yeah yeah but what who has the institutional power I feel like definitely like Asian

Andrew Wilsonpeople more they would have the institutional power which institutions which institutions do you think that Asians are over represented in in and and have the power and are using that

Andrew Wilsonpower to systemically oppress black people I mean I agree with you that I feel like a black person could be racist against a Asian person but I feel like they just yeah but if the argument is

Andrew Wilsonwhites can't be or uh blacks can't racist to whites because whites have the institutional systemic power okay then in this case I say can blacks be racist

Andrew Wilsontowards Asians you say yes but then when I ask you who has the power you say that people have the systemic power in that situation the Asians so how come they can be racist to the

Andrew WilsonAsians but can't be racist to the wh if one has the power in one scenario versus the other one hang on hang on just hear me out if one has the power in one scenario they could be racist towards

Andrew Wilsonthem and if they another one has a power in the same exact scenario they can't be racist that makes no sense it's a perform hang on hang on hang on I'm almost done it's a performative contradiction it's an actual

Andrew Wilsoncontradiction in real time that you just showed us what you should do immediately after seeing that has abandoned that entire worldview it makes no sense I mean I feel like I guess the

Brian Atlasreason I guess we would say Prejudice instead of racist is I feel like it's just kind of like like we like what here or did you have more

Brian AtlasAndrew or no I think that's enough okay um here's a question um let's say me as a white man right privilege male privilege White Privilege okay the way

Edenthey like to stop Asian hate on Tinder and stuff so quickly when it took so long they passed a bill for that like that when Co happened and like how long did it take for them to do that like or I don't think they've even done that for black people like that's kind of an

Brian Atlasexample for them having more systemic power they like a stop Asian hate Bill very quickly I'm not familiar with the I I heard about the bill but um if I went to

Brian Atlasif I went to uh China would uh in that scenario can I can a a Chinese person be racist against me

SPEAKER_00store easy donated $200 black PPA can be racist against white PPA but being racist isn't beneficial in most Industries and in a

SPEAKER_00capitalist society as a whole racism isn't exactly a powerful trait maybe an entertainment it's not even that powerful there um so if I went to China

Caitlynwould in that scenario could the Chinese people be racist against me if there have been

Caitlynum Nick can you hide that you can reach higher on the wall so no honestly I'm not 100% sure because like

CaitlynI said I really only have a somewhat of an understanding about racism in America and honestly that's coming from a white but so in China all posi positions I would assume

Brian Atlasall positions in the government are occupied by people who are Chinese I don't suspect there are any white people any for example in the US there's probably there's some asian-americans in

CaitlynCongress there's any but let's just say the vast vast majority what city you go to wait so that has I think it has more to do with um nationality so like there's all Chinese

Caitlynpeople in the and the Chinese government because it's China like does that and like we only have Amer most a poor

Andrew Wilsonargument on my does wait so do do Chinese people or Asian people as a race only exist in the United States if they exist in the United States that's now when they're considered race or are they

Andrew Wilsonconsidered a race also well then if they're considered a race there too and you're still considered a race in China too then if the Chinese have all the insti power and they are racially

Caitlynprofiling or doing any number of then that would be racist right yes okay perfect so okay if I went to China can and became a resident in China and like had a

Andrew Wilsonlife visit so let's say let's say there wait so I have to be you you need to the Turn Style you went right through the turn style and the second the second you did they were like hey round ey or

Andrew Wilsonsomething like that and you were like what and something overtly crazy like that right that would be would that be considered from from racism towards you so you're saying white people can't be

Brian Atlasracist towards like illegal immigrants for example no I just think it's different like in the US I'm saying like a Mexican uh illegal immigrant you couldn't be racist towards them because they're not a citizen of no you can't I

Brian Atlasthink I think but so if I go I go go to China I go to China I'm a white man can the could I experience racism in China

Caitlynfrom I assume Chinese people I'm going to give you an place if there's social structures in place that perpetuate that then yes um

Edenokay okay I was going to say what about you do you think I think you could yeah I mean like I don't know what it too much about what it is like out there but I definitely believe that they could

Caitlynyeah if you're you're a minority and over there if what about if I went to Kenya if I went if I went to Kenya okay so you the answer would be

Caitlynyes if you have like a work visa there right and you're applying to jobs and you're not or you're you're trying to work there and you're getting continuously rejected

Salemfrom jobs or mistreated in jobs simply because you're white then yes that would be an experence what if I'm just a tourist let's say in the Middle East like okay let's say when me and my friends who are like my

Salemfriends who are white come right we go out to the club and there's a bunch of Arab people there or whatever right and a White Guy starts smoking hookah and

Salemthe the Arab guys start like you know just chatting at him like oh well you know they're being rap like they're like you're white you can't smell you're you know blah blah blah like saying that

Salemthat's not because he's trying to work there blah blah blah it's literally just because he's there he's there you feel me like I think that's what you know okay so I think that it definitely comes

Caitlynwith the the the definition that we've been or that we kind of talked about brushed up up brushed up upon the racism that I'm mostly referring to and trying to you know Place emphasis on is

Caitlynsystemic and is coming from a place of power or um yeah a place of power and majority um

Salemin majority for it to be power though not necessarily I'm just saying so then if one person is racist if one

Salemperson of a group is racist that means like what is that what you're trying to say like if only one like person that doesn't mean the whole group is racist no that's not what I'm trying to say

Salemokay you're trying to say I think she's trying to like say that she's trying to like speak of system Sy systemic oh my God RM but we're talking about can you just can one like can can a group be

Salemracist towards another group that's literally the question can other races be racist towards a

Salemwhite person period not in any sort of situation just in general in general if you were to go let's say you want to go

Salemto Tokyo all right and you were walking around could they be racist towards you

SPEAKER_00store easy donated $200 okay Brian we get it enjoy your white male privilege well all right there you have it thank you thank you say re here we got another chat wait so

Brian Atlaswas that a yes or a no that was a yes okay okay all right we'll move we'll move on we'll move on uh hold on we got a couple more things guys I'm going to just pull up this chat here while it's it's kind of relevant today is the only

Brian Atlastime so many 1centers have claimed to be a I'm 32 in biotech make six figures without a degree been homeless and beat cancer good for wow dude you're Legend thank you Joshua uh B he's also

Brian Atlasby can be small spoon hello celebrated one year anniversary with woman in stem blond is indoctrinated and dumb yeah don't shoot

Salemthe messenger that's his words I disavow disavow I think a lot of words are coming I think a lot of what she's trying to say is getting l lost and you know and sometimes when you're on the

Brian Atlasspot something come out wrong did last show did you say that white people don't have culture no I the that was the other girl does anyone here think white people do you think white people don't have culture what the do you mean by

Edenhold on no no I mean like there I there's white well there's like a million different types of white people so yeah of course there's but

Brian AtlasI've often heard this I mean Andrew was on the show uh two days ago I think we've heard this frequently uh that there was like four of them who said that that say white people don't

Brian Atlashave oh I saw that do you have you well no well does anybody agree with that just show up hands I don't understand what the what what do you mean by white do black people have culture do white people have culture I don't know what

Pixieyou mean by white culture okay cuz let me put I'm going to put it this way I'm going to put it very simple right the only reason why we have this concept of like black culture is because it came from like a very unique set of

Pixiecircumstances in the United States that yes like for they all came from a very unique me finish my sentence Andrew please thank you okay so for example like black culture in the United States

Pixiebasically a lot of it originates from like slav like slavery breaking out the SST oppression then like Jim Crow basically like a whole bunch of cultur surrounding that specifically um some people when they say white culture what

Pixiethey're referring to is like European culture which sure I can grant that but the through the United States like the concept of white has changed a lot so for example there was a certain point in time where Irish people weren't considered white where Italians weren't

Pixieconsidered white where Germans weren't considered white so it seems like in the United States in particular this concept of white culture has like just like kept on like increasing or adding on so it's like even now you see it with Latinos

Pixiewhere they're saying like oh no like you know like Latinos are white you know as well so it just seems like this concept of like white Co I'm Hispanic by the way but that's like a whole other side what

Pixieis say their white I'm my family saying that yeah but there are people saying that so the whole point is like this idea of like white culture in the United States it's like a very weird and complicated question I think if somebody

Pixiesays oh yeah there is white culture like look at European culture like those people aren't really claiming themselves as white first like you go to the UK they're going to say like no I'm like British first um or French like they're

Alexagoing to say like no I'm French not white per se so that's why I'm kind of confused about the question itself so white American or like is that it's white American can you say American

Alexaculture in the context of white can you say that there's a white American culture yeah I I would agree with that that's why I was just asking the clarifying question cuz I wasn't sure like you can go European you can go American but there's still white culture

Kylain multiple facets okay I could give a hot take that I think everyone will hate me for if you guys bring it bring it yeah let's hear it okay so uh I think the reason why Liberals are often so hesitant to admit that there's a white culture is because it's like the

Kyladominant cultural hedgemon that basically we just say these are good traits in a person and it's actually like kind of this weird form of like white supremacy where we like dismiss anything as being white culture cuz they like no that's just a good thing and

Kylait's like it yeah cultures can have good things in them but it's also white like being like really into like certain types of like like uh yoga and

Kylaavocado toast with your California like thing this like hyper Obsession for example with like kind of like Protestant work ethic this isn't to say that other cultures don't have like orientations like for example

Kylalike the Chinese culture has a very intense work ethic culture but it has a completely different background in the way that it plays out like our obession with work ethic in White America is just part of white culture but when I say

Kylathat most white Liberals are like well black people work hard too and it's like black people can just participate in white cultural norms that's fine we just don't think white culture exists because we don't want to admit that it's the the

Brian Atlascultural Hedon meaning like the most common culture sorry okay okay all right and it's white supremacist so then yes so then the answer would be yes there's white culture white culture yeah okay all right well we won we don't got to

Brian Atlasget too far on that we have Samantha Savage thank you Brian would you return the money if you had bankrupted a viewer through super chats can TTS be a form of fom as you will only hear somebody's

Brian Atlasstatement if they pay for you whoa am I engaged in Sor whoa my god um I do think it's a bit different though it's certainly a bit different what if they're masturbating

Pixiewhile they're paying you don't know like you how like Mone they spend to women they no no no when you're talking about how like these guys are like gross and pathetic like I'm 99%

Alexasure there's a guy donating me like yes there's someone in the right now like pillow between his legs everyone shut up quiet tell me more tell me Daddy they do

Brian Atlasthey do the uh AI a gal face right you're getting close demonstration we're getting a little demo

Pixieor oh my God okay I'm sorry I'm sorry Chad that was DN you iic any chance you get all rightly the viewer number increases by like 500

Brian Atlaswe have Nickelodeon I get it now Blondie's an AI robot that only has liberal tweets to draw her knowledge and responses from I don't have Twitter actually she doesn't have Twitter also that's leftist not liberal just to be clear all right I want to claim the

Brian AtlasLiberals we're based and cool all right I mean no but we're based you can still you can still have them there you have it um oh okay uh wait okay last thing

Caitlynwith you so the last time you were on did you I think I asked you what do you think of men did I ask that question um I don't think you asked me that or you asked me do I hate men I said I hate

Caitlynpatriarchal structures um okay yeah it's okay pretty I don't hate men I find myself quite fond of them

Brian Atlasokay all right no that's fine that's fine all right uh let's get into some uh juicy stuff here all right you're going to bring up TR stuff again aren't you yeah finally so I have a couple

SPEAKER_00questions then I'll let you guys store easy donated $200 I wonder which side Brian would be on in the American Civil War I'm not American but I know enough about American culture to know that didn't

Brian Atlasreally fly I'm confused is he saying I'd be a Confederate is that he's asking which side would you be on uh I would be on the the the the the

Unknownunion like the anti-slavery side yeah the union you're such a good liberal yeah slavery is bad I feel like we all agree wait Andrew

Brian Atlashold you disagree andreag Andrew was shaking his head and disagree you think was good oh wait maybe I'll know if we want to go well I because you're shaking your head no when he was saying slavery was bad so I was curious well so no I

Andrew Wilsonmean I would have taken the other side but had nothing to do with slavery so what does it have to do oh God okay I don't know they will say state rights but states rights to do

Andrew Wilsonwhat well State's rights to be Sovereign to own slaves okay the number one thing assume for a second that the states all wanted to to become sovereign because

Andrew Wilsonthey looked up and they didn't like the shape of the Union clouds right and so that's why they rebelled would that have been okay that would have been much more okay than so why would that have been

Andrew Wilsonokay what whatever the reason is for why they wanted sovereignty they could be wrong in the reasons but still right in wanting the sovereignty absolutely not if you want sovereignty so that you can get away with human rights abuses like your Sovereign no no you didn't

Andrew Wilsoneven hear what I said yeah you're saying the reasons don't matter why listen to my question again can a person have the wrong reasons why they want to do the right thing yeah but that's not answer my question yes but that's not what

Andrew Wilsonasking so in this case I can admit and fully say nope I'm against slavery slavery is bad and I don't think that they should have rebelled over or that should have been the Crux of the

Andrew Wilsonreasoning and I don't even think it was but assuming that it was you could still say yeah that's bad that they wanted to remain retain that institution but if they wanted to break away from the union

Kylathat's not bad do you think it's bad but I'm still going to do it that's not what I'm saying we should good reasons there can be good reasons for civil war and bad reasons for civil war and we can denounce a civil war for

Andrew Wilsonbad reasons and be like yeah this is a good Civil War and then there can be good reasons that you know they had which were Justified remember that in the north right there was a copperhead movement to try to get slavery abolished

Pixiebecause the union itself did not want to let them go so like it's really not as easy as you seem to think it is no I'm pretty sure that if we go to like basically every single um Declaration of

PixieIndependence during that time when those States every single every yeah no like basically each state when they were suceeding from the union had a little declaration where they're like this is why we were seceding from the union and

Pixieevery single one of them mentioned the right to own slaves I'm not joking we can pull this up right now so here's the thing though again I can I can see

Andrew Wilsonyou're liberal ass said some silly stuff uh Andrew make a final point and then I'm going to move away from the Civil War there was so my suggestion is that you can go watch a guy named Ryan Dawson

Andrew Wilsonwho gives a complete breakdown of this he's a brilliant historian when it comes to the Civil War he says that there's tons of socioeconomic reasons that were behind it that had nothing at all to do with slavery and that the north didn't even want slaves to go which is

Andrew Wilsonabsolutely true and the list goes on and on and on highly suggest that you inform yourself a little bit better on it okay and then my final statement yeah you're pro at the point at this

Pixiepoint in time um especially when the Civil War was about to start and the union seemed to be a very strong agreement that slavery had to go was in the process of going while you know what the other Confederate states were like

Pixiehell no we have to keep this institution no matter what and you know what you can like literally go read every single state that's seceded from the Union the reasons why they did it and all of them the number one reason they mentioned was

Brian Atlasyes we believe that we should be able to still own slaves stop it stop it get some help okay let's get back into the juicy stuff okay

Brian Atlasso I think this is this is bringing it back to so sort of like the you with what is a woman you said it's oh gosh back to that someone who identif

Brian AtlasOkay okay so I have a couple questions and then I'll just let you guys get into it so question this is related to dating okay I'm going to relate it to dating and then if you guys want to get into

Brian Atlasthe the weeds or whatever that's fine say idology my first question is uh to

Brian Atlasyou pixie yes is a transgender woman a female um biologic ically no okay

Brian Atlasanybody else okay um all right that's out the way uh okay we got the okay um

Pixieso can a male become a female um if you're talking about pure biology no if we're talking about social construction then yeah what are you talking about men

Pixieand women I'm I'm confused male fale okay okay so we're keeping this to straight we're actually biology I'm talking sex not gender okay then yeah no okay uh question so relating it to

Brian Atlasdating now uh if if a man Sor excuse me hold on I got to use a precise terms if a male was no actually well

Brian Atlasokay hold on I'm trying to think the best way this is very confusing your word right it's very confusing uh a male was who who uh is not transgender MH uh

Brian Atlaswas sing the D of a transgender woman who has a penis so and you see a video I don't know

Kikiwhat sucking the pen okay okay choking I don't know what I don't know what other giving the swall there you goo thank gugug

Brian Atlas9000 yes so you were selling one of those right sorry oh God that's another that's another that's a whole another conversation

Pixieso uh would that be would it be gay I'm I'm kind of lost a plot after the suck a trans woman's dick is it kind

Pixieof gay oh is that gay I think that's up to the individual to basically decide their orientation I think a lot of people and I would probably be of the opinion that like you know I think genatalia is more directly related to

Brian Atlaslike sexual orientation but I'm not going to be like hey no but it's Megan Fox it's Megan Fox looks looks like Megan Fox it's a transgender woman that look that's just as physically

Brian Atlasattractive as Megan Fox but has like just a a p just a be Matthew Fox and a guy is just luck luck 9,000 thank you's

Pixiegoing on here thank you n honestly I'm not sure I feel like would it be gay I'm curious okay let me can I can I ask you a similar question because this is you're asking me a question I'm asking you a question why has to answer your

Pixiequestion no no no no because I'm trying to get I'm trying to get a framework here I know you want to come in you could just you think it would be straight yeah um for a man to basically

Brian Atlasum do the licky Li I don't know on a Hulk Hogan who has a vagina sorry so when you say Hulk Hogan it's a female that looks like but just

Pixieit's like everything no like it looks literally hetosexual that would beight more gay only if the term doesn't sucking

KylaMegan Fox's dick is a little gay but it's less gay than sucking Joe Rogan's based on what just some arbitrary analysis how they look how they look just entirely how they look based if you're sucking a dick and grabbing a

Kylatitty it's a little bit less gay than if you're sucking a dick and grabbing chest hair you know no but it it's when he says gay means homosexual I what I know exactly what he's saying okay so then how could it

Edenever be homosexual to have sex with a woman if you're a heterosexual man I said have a question do you think it's gay for a guy to let girls peg him yeah but then how is it but isn't that the definition hetosexual say it was homosexual

Brian AtlasI you're doing something I'm doing exactly that's why we have a criteria for Andrew wins the podcast Andrew wins the podcast wait he just gave me my point I win this podcast no I won no I

Kylawas just saying gay in the way you're exact saying it which is like yeah if you're like into a girl that looks like hog I used what your analysis was in order to answer that question and I made

Edenit funny cuz I'm awesome yeah it was a based anal that's how that works the awesome anal is it gay or not to let a woman P you I don't understand do you think it's gay to let a woman Peg

Alexayou yeah but it's aexual hual homosexual homosexual there's difference homosexual okay

Caitlynum wanted to come in go ahead um if the man likes sucking the dick he is enjoying a homosexual activity by like

Caitlyndefinition homosexual he's a homo he's let's be careful just be careful he's enjoying a homosexual

Caitlynactivity um if he's simply attracted like just alone being attracted to a feminine looking feminine passing body

Caitlynindividual that would be straight like she said it's really has a lot to do with the genitals and the genital prefer preference is a huge thing with sexuality and stuff like that

Edenso it's Megan Vox with a d it is what if he if he likes sucking that dick it's homosexual I I think Andrew tape put it best that it is way gayer to Hulk

UnknownHogan with a than move the dick out the way and Megan Fox butt that's I I believe that no that's true that that is he said that he said that

Unknownit's very bass B it's just let's be honest it's just a little more gay to a woman who looks like a dude with a vagina just a little Gul Hogan you're hitting hul Hogan like it's a little gay

Edento suck a woman dick she over you don't have to even see the dick you just see Meg it Fox that's got to deal with it if she's bent over you don't she can hold it up you know to look at

Kylait why I think almost anyone who's going to be open to like a pretty fluid options of genitals would probably already themselves be like yeah I'm queer like they're almost always going to be part of the lgbtq community the problem is is that the terms lose

Andrew Wilsonmeaning so you can understand when you're saying the word gay and you mean it like how we're we're talking about it here which is like um when when males call each other and you you know don't

Andrew Wilsonbe and we're saying that right we don't actually mean anything about homosexuality at all when we say that never meant it like that it's never been used like that it's the same thing here

Andrew Wilsonso the term does need to have some meaning and it's like no obviously if you're having sex with a woman you're a heterosexual man you're having sex with a female you're a heterosexual yeah but

Kylayou're a little bit more gay on The like binary it's gross it's not gay it's no it's a little bit more gay if you're really attracted to every single masculine secondary feature other than a dick that's a little bit more that

Kylawasn't that was to said think about what I just said there Hulk Hogan's secondary characteristics would be things like chest hair no breast

Kylastuff like that but still with a vagina if you're attracted to every single male SEC secondary sexual characteristic but you want a vagina it's just a little more gay than if you're attracted to a feminine appearing woman with a vagina

Kylaobviously this is true wait feminine woman V say have Megan Fox with a vagina versus Hulk Hogan with a vagina if you're more into Hulk Hogan you're having sex with her it's a little bit more gay than if you're having SE with Megan Fox with a vagina I agree what

Alexayou're saying but that wasn't the example the example was Megan Fox with a dick that's vagina than for example having sex with hetosexual men they're going to say I'm going to choose a vagina but it doesn't matter the

Brian Atlasnot these men are no that I feel but it's it's such a dumb like scenario because I would like

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