She BANKRUPTS Men?! Women STRONGER?! Debate GOD Andrew Wilson! Ahegao Queen Nala! | Dating Talk #123

Date: 2023-12-01

Duration: 7h 06m

Guests

Brian Atlas

KKyla (NotSoErudite)>

PPixie (DT130)>

SSalem (DT128)>

AAlexa (Whatever)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_03Eden(guest)

SPEAKER_05Caitlyn(guest)

SPEAKER_06Salem(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Kyla(guest)

SPEAKER_10Nala(guest)

SPEAKER_13Alexa(guest)

SPEAKER_14Pixie(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteNala Ray introduces herself as the 'Ahegao Queen', 25yo, lives in the valley, OnlyFans.

“hi I'm Nala the AO queen I am 25 years old I literally live in the valley right now in California and I'm on only fans”

QuoteNala reveals she had a kink for cheating but clarifies it was in unhealthy relationships, and that in a healthy relationship she would not cheat.

“I haven't helped anyone cheat recently or even in at least the last year”

Key MomentAndrew Wilson states he would disown an adult daughter doing OnlyFans 'until she cleaned up her life.'

“I would not be participating with her or allow her in my life it's probably EAS that why is that awful”

QuoteBrian reveals Nala earns nearly $150,000/month from OnlyFans.

“I went from being a pastor's daughter to millionaire only fans model and make nearly $150,000 a month”

Key MomentKyla (NotSoErudite) invokes the Prodigal Son parable against Andrew's disowning position.

“the father allowed him to live out the consequences of that but the father didn't dis him”

QuoteNala confirms she could have retired a year before this episode.

“I could have retired a year ago”

QuoteSalem reveals she has had ~30 sugar daddies/pay pigs, with 7 sending over $100k each.

“not too many probably only like seven”

ControversyAndrew Wilson calls Pixie 'not worth debating' over her refusal to concede men are stronger than women.

“if you're so stupid you don't understand men are stronger than women you're not worth debating”

QuotePixie finally concedes men are stronger than women after Kyla presents a meta-analysis framework.

“based on the information that I've gained from this episode I'm going to say yes the men would be stronger than women”

QuoteCaitlyn admits to physically striking her ex-boyfriend multiple times during arguments at age ~16.

“I would just have a physical reaction”

QuoteNala says she collaborated with YouTube prankster Vitaly on an OnlyFans video and deeply regrets it.

“it was the worst thing I've ever done in my life I wish I could take it back”

QuoteEden reveals a body count of approximately 50-70, mostly condensed into a few months at age 19.

“it's definitely under 70 maybe 60 maybe 6 like it's up”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Brian introduces show; guests introduce themselves: Nala Ray, Kyla/NotSoErudite, Pixie, Caitlyn, Eden, Salem, Alexa, Andrew Wilson.

Relationship Status & Dating History

Each guest shares relationship status, longest relationship, recent situationships. Includes Caitlyn's ex passing on Thanksgiving, Nala's 2-year single streak, Salem's 30+ on-off breakup situation, Alexa's 50-dates-in-50-days experiment, Kyla's 6-year marriage.

OnlyFans: Finances, Family Reactions, Career Plans

Discussion of OF earnings, family knowledge and reactions. Nala's $150k/month, ability to retire. Salem's sugar daddies (~30 total, >$700k combined). Nala's pastor father accepts her. Eden's Catholic Filipina mom. Kyla's Muslim family risk. Whether OF is a career or stepping stone.

Pastor's Daughter to OnlyFans (Nala's Story)

Nala's background as a pastor's daughter. Felt caged by church modesty standards. Left at 18. Pursued OnlyFans for financial freedom and self-expression. Invests and supports family.

Parenting, Disowning, and Enabling Adult Children

Andrew Wilson states he would disown an adult daughter doing OnlyFans until she 'cleaned up.' Debate on Christian parenting, the Prodigal Son parable, parental love vs. enabling. Nala, Eden, Kyla present counter-arguments.

Monogamy, Polyamory, and Relationship Structures

Eden discusses non-monogamy, having had two boyfriends simultaneously (cuck dynamic). Debate on whether monogamy is natural. Kyla's marriage separation. Salem's on-off relationship patterns.

Sugar Babies, Pay Pigs, and Wealth Extraction

Salem discusses ~30 sugar daddy/pay pig relationships, individual payments up to $30k, multiple men sending over $100k total. Explains pay pig dynamics. Plans to quit OF when moving to Dubai.

Physical Strength: Men vs. Women

Brian revisits debate from previous episode with Pixie. Pixie resists conceding men are physically stronger. Panel cites grip strength studies, deadlift records, high-school boys vs. female Olympians. Pixie eventually concedes based on meta-analysis framing by Kyla. Andrew Wilson frustrated by Pixie's position.

Dating App Culture and 50 Dates/50 Days

Alexa's 50-dates-in-50-days experiment: met first serious boyfriend on date 14, second on date 23. Brian's reaction: would leave a date if she had 7 more lined up. Panel debates whether simultaneous multi-dating is ethical.

Feminism, Oppression, Patriarchy

Survey of feminist positions on the panel. Debate on patriarchy, systemic oppression of women in the US, sexual harassment in STEM. Whether you can be racist against white people or sexist against men. Andrew Wilson challenges systemic racism definitions.

Racism, Sexism, and Definitions

Can you be racist against white people? Can you be sexist against men? Panel votes; debate on power+prejudice definition vs. simple prejudice. Andrew Wilson's logic about Asian vs. Black racism. Pixie's struggle to apply framework consistently.

Trans Women, Sexuality, and the 'Gay' Hypothetical

Extended debate: is it gay to perform oral on a trans woman? Megan Fox vs. Hulk Hogan hypothetical. What determines sexual orientation — genitalia, secondary sex characteristics, or attraction. Kyla and Andrew's prolonged categorical argument.

American Civil War and Slavery

Brief debate: Andrew Wilson says he would have sided with the Confederacy for sovereignty reasons (not slavery). Caitlyn and Kyla argue every seceding state's declaration mentioned slavery.

Plastic Surgery and Body Standards

Brian argues against plastic surgery; prefers natural bodies. Salem discusses insecurity from being in the OF industry (skinny body not featured). Kyla cites studies showing small amounts of plastic surgery can reduce psychiatric illness rates. Salem considering moving to Europe for natural beauty standards.

Body Count Round

End-of-show body count round. Nala: doesn't count. Eden: ~50-70. Alexa: can count on one hand. Andrew Wilson: more than one hand but wife is watching. Salem: declined to answer. Kyla/NotSoErudite: 1 (husband only). Pixie: not stated.

Transcript

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Kylabunch of synonyms but when you actually look into what the words mean this is why it's really frustrating when somebody says like maybe joy and happiness they're synonyms they're kind of similar and they overlap a ton and maybe the beginning and ends of Joy are

Kylaall encapsulated within happiness but most people treat Joy like a separate word than happiness this is how we engage with these words okay so let's

Andrew Wilsonlet's just grant that this is true okay let's say if I look at at a transwoman and say that's a guy with a wig and you say no it's not right super depend to me

Andrew Wilsonright how am I wrong I I guess it would depend is the person passing let's just say that they are but I know like it's Megan Fox yeah let's just say that I know why am I still wrong though to say that why would that be wrong I would say you're being insensitive yeah right but

Kylait's not wrong I would disagree with you I'd say that she's a woman but at the end of the day I recognize that you probably won't be defining women the way that I am right so this conversation is when we're talking about definitions here right then definitionally if I say

Andrew Wilsonthat I'm not wrong now if I'm if I'm moving back towards you I think that I have a better case to make for why you are because I think that when we're talking about biology right of male and female that what I'm saying is far more

Kylaaccurate than what you're saying I would actually say the opposite I would say something like sex is going to be deeply less functional and less accurate because there's as you probably know all of those extreme outliers that don't fall well into the sex categories this

Kylais why sex is a bodal function gender I think actually works really well because it explains the function and how we interact with each other if I see somebody walk around with hairy legs clearly a dick under the dress and like a beard growing I'm going to agree with

Andrew Wilsonyou being like I probably would respect and be like I understand what they're trying to perform towards but I would agree with you that you might label them a man I don't understand the the sex is a bodal function how that even even if that's true how would that even play in

Kylahere the reason why it would play in is because you're saying sex is a more accurate word and I'm saying the problem with all of these words is that none of them are hyper accurate when when you talk about a hermaphrodite or people that are born with xrse chromosomes but their testes don't drop they're born

Andrew Wilsonwith vaginas they look like women in every single way but they're functionally meant because we don't interact part of the they're pretty accurate they're pretty accurate like for instance it's so accurate in fact

Andrew Wilsonthat any any farm animal that's born you can essentially just take one Peak and you know same thing with human children not you have cats same thing with with with human children after Andrew go ahead pick if you want the problem is that your definition is not actually

Pixiereflecting how you're using it in reality you didn't check anybody's genitals in here you didn't check their chromosomes you're making assumptions on their appearance because we have to make assumptions in order to use words exactly what does that have to do with

SPEAKER_00anything just just one second then we'll come back in that's not to reality Str man never be attracted to a trans woman probably not but I guess you never know I mean why do they make so much money

Brian Atlasand porn that's the thing no man is hard words have to reflect reality otherwise meaningless guys wait wait wait hold on hold on guys just one at a time really quick um thank you st rezy uh will I have a question related to that that

Brian AtlasI'll get into in just a sec let me do one chat before it falls off and then I'll have you come come in pixie we had uh big papa Karma Brian I'm back with a link because it's a cint lie this is a public on YouTube so it's completely fair game so let's be men and see who's

Brian Atlasa liar um unfortunately my friend you sent me an a a video that's an hour and 30 minutes long that's called occult roots of feminism with based hom School mom AKA Rachel Wilson um unfortunately

Brian Atlasmy dear friend I'm not going to be able to play this hour and 30 minute long video but um uh I looked at I mentioned the title so go ahead pixie go ahead so the point is our words have to reflect how we

Pixieactually use them in reality otherwise they're meaningless otherwise I can call you know you a chair or something like that right they have to have some reflection on our day-to-day usage so you can say like oh no like technically like you know appearance it doesn't

Andrew Wilsonreally matter but it does matter because that is how we use the word functional definitions is what matters a function of how we use let so let's assume that we Grant this for a second let me ask

Andrew Wilsonyou a question is a male who identifies himself as a woman who doesn't meet any of the criteria for what you would consider presentation even though they're trying really hard is that still

Pixiea woman I would say societally they fail to present as woman but would you still call them one um personally I would be respectful towards them but I would say like hey you're not presenting why you

Pixiedo that it doesn't match up with the reality what because you can be respectful towards someone right but still be like hey you know just telling you like there is a non-consensual or not you're not meeting the basis for a

Andrew Wilsonreality requirement so what you're showing me here essentially is that you will use the word that doesn't meet up with the expectation of reality uh in order to not be in order to not be a

Andrew Wilsonlittle bit overtly sensitive towards that person however if I'm using the word which is more descriptive towards that reality what am I doing wrong I I have a question no answer mine and then ask no I am I'm going to answer yours do

Pixiethis basically you're going to answer mine by asking me a question see you're going to answer my question by asking me a question no you'll see just be patient um you have called me Pixie right but that is not my governmental or my real

Pixiename right that is my streaming name yet you still call me by that name right so even though that name isn't what is happening in reality you still refer me to as such is pseudonym seems a bit

Pixiedifferent to me than the conversation the issue with this is that what we're doing is we're what often happens wait did you have a did you want to answer Andrew's question well yeah the point that I was trying to get to at the basis

Pixieof this is that there are multiple scenarios in day-to-day life where something doesn't line up exactly with how reality is but because we're social creatures and we understand that there's

PixieNuance not everything is black and white we give certain like leverages or lences towards it so it's not super out there to be like hey you know what like you know it's okay okay to call someone pixie even though that's not their

Pixiegovernmental legal name and it's okay to say like hey you know um I'm going to call her Stephanie cuz she likes that name more you know yeah until this is applied in reality like you're talking about so I can call you pixie for

Andrew Wilsoninstance but if you were to go in and have tests done on You by the government for instance can you identify yourself as pixie what do you mean do do you or can you write pixie and then your last name or do you have to write your first and last name is should you by the

Kylagovernment do you have to check if you're male and female yeah I'm not I'm not disagreeing with that when my question becomes when it comes to use I don't even understand what your point is well because there's a difference between institutional uses and

Kylainterpersonal uses and political uses this is obvious right so a big problem that happens in all these discussions is we talk about like macro which is like ideology so you would say I disagree you probably think trans ideology is super

Kylaharmful you disagree with all that I'm assuming correct me if true this is an ideological perspective and then you go well Kyla you have this ideological perspective interpersonally though would you respect somebody who you don't think is passing it's like yeah of course just like when your wife asks like if

Kylasomething makes her look too fat you're like I'm going to be really cautious in the way that I talk about this or if your wife ask like do you think I'm still not your wife specifically obviously I'm not making a personal attack um but if like somebody's wife is like do I still look beautiful and she's

Kylalike you know she doesn't look like she did in her 20s you kind of lie a little bit interpersonally you do a lot of things that are polite but obviously at an Institutional level these are also different right acting like all these things must be treated equally is a

Andrew Wilsondishonest way in the way that words are used because words are deeply when we get into things like legislation how we govern the world and how people actually ident or deal with these things in real time there's a huge amount of

SPEAKER_00resentment which is buil up over the fact that we're expected to lie about things we know aren't true one if te women are women why do they all get offended when being treated by men like

SPEAKER_00a women why are a large portion somehow lesbian if I call a trans women sweetheart they write rage fact of life it's ma'am um which actually this brings

Andrew Wilsonup a great point which is if it just comes down to identification can't just it can't because this would create all kinds of issues like for instance if you're sleeping with someone and they identified as the opposite sex while you were sleeping with them and really meant

Andrew Wilsonit would that make you a homosexual that doesn't like that kind of stuff makes no sense on its Pace the self ID claims are absurd I'm not using self ID okay but you kind of are we're definitely and definitionally not and this is why so

Andrew Wilsonmany trans people hate just to be CLE I am not using if it's not self ID right then how would you know to identify them as that you're saying in the cases in

Kylathe cases where you can't tell you pretty much always can tell unless somebody is like rejecting the binary in and of itself so a non-binary for example I'm going to get a lot of water I don't think most non-binary people are trans I reject that I don't think they

Kylaare because I don't think self is valid most non-binary people you'll go look at them and you're like some of them you can tell and some of them let's be honest everyone's had like the super like kind of like bull lesbian come in with a short haircut

Kylasuper Stout and been like is that a man is that a trans man and it's not it's just a woman because most the ways that we evaluate each other is on the performance so if they're attempting to pass if their performance is an attemp of I more or less know what they're

SPEAKER_00going for interpersonally I would respect that try to each make your final points on this if you if you can oh hold on Andy and my am donated $200 fantastic debate thankfully we all

SPEAKER_00agree Allah is a woman and she's fantastic would one of the females make the hry lesbian a bowl of ramen and keep it moving Thursday night football is on

Brian Atlasactually we we can we can linger we can Linger on this topic a little longer but I do want I I don't think we got to your relationship status and you didn't answer the what is a woman question so very quickly what is your current

Alexarelationship status I'm single but I'm looking you or did you answer the relationship status thing uh um longest relationship 3 and a half years how long have you been single about 3 months three 3 months

Andrew Wilsonokay I was single when I came on last time and I'm single now so I see okay gotcha and then uh what is a woman an adult female I learned last adult human female adult human I see okay um if you

Andrew Wilsonguys want to continue feel free so anyway the the ultimate Point here is this sure if I say woman and I mean adult female right and from the Christian Perspective and most religious perspectives in fact at least abrahamic

Andrew Wilsonthey're going to agree with this right they're going to say Noe you're not this thing that you're not we're not going to call you that obviously it does US harm if we're compelled to do that right that's is causing us harm whether you

Andrew Wilsonlike it or not so why should we a be compelled to do that I'm not saying okay I'm not saying that you are and B why is it that even if we were compelled we shouldn't resist by not doing it on purpose at that point just to kind of

Andrew Wilsonmake a political statement and a social statement of like nope we're not going to conform to you kind of beating down our religious values here and when it comes to uh your purposes when you're

Andrew Wilsontalking about the te question you're still kind of making the the statement that I'm not sure they can kind of be they can kind of not be so I'd like you to clarify that for me sure so first of

Kylaall I've never argued for compelled speech I ever think it's a violation of um first Rights Amendments I guess in America is what it's called I don't believe in compelled speech I think at the end of the day you also have consequences for your free speech so if you choose to call somebody who's

Kylaclearly trying to perform in every single way as a woman a man they're probably going to think you're an assle and probably like 80% of the population what if you called them male would that be it would be really weird interpersonally to like go up to

Kylasomebody like hello male or like in any way like most people would again cringe cuz it wa they know what you're doing they know that you're aesthetically trying to appeal to a political movement so you're allowed to have any political

Kylafield you're allowed to be an to people you're allowed to politically in um kind of rejection not use people's pronouns I actually don't believe that this is required at all the issue is people are also allowed to be like

Andrew Wilsonyou're trying to be an that way just attend so then so then where where do we go then when we're inside society and you have a christian-owned business who says no we're not going to give you or make suitable accommodations for your

Andrew Wilsonbathroom Arrangements whereas instead you can use this bathroom or this bathroom like everybody else is always done y right I love capitalism I hope your business suffers as a result and if it doesn't that's great no nothing

Kylacompelled there no I'm not really big on compelled stuff okay so yeah I think so this is just a semantic distinction then I would say almost wholly it is excluding things like medical care right this is why I'm not pro

Alexaself-id goe I just throw something in there if you travel to any other country and this is like my vote for the US doing this I think it would solve a lot of issues but a not of people a lot of people would agree with me go to other

Alexacountries bathrooms are Universal and the sink is where everyone used love European bathrooms solves all problems I agree with you the fact that we have to worry about men and women's bathrooms make it Universal sink is in the in the

Brian Atlasfront where everyone well you know something I've seen I've seen that I object to as a man often times when there used to be a woman's bathroom and a man's bathroom what they end up doing is they'll switch the man's bathroom to

Brian Atlasan all-gender bathroom but keep the woman's bathroom a woman's bathroom so y'all are encroaching on the male bathrooms the men bathroom I'm very upset about it you guys never have

Kylabathroom Lines Just to be clear any inconsistent application of things I'll just side with you yeah we shouldn't do those things obviously it's basically benevolent sexism it's kind of weird it's like so when we get into the

Andrew Wilsonmedical Arena here sure let's dive into this okay so what so you're saying definitely and in society you don't care right doesn't matter if my viewpoint is this way you're not going to try to make anything which compels me to do anything opposite of that you don't believe

Andrew Wilsonprobably I should be deplatformed for instance about speaking out against stuff like that probably not but if you incite hate speech or violence against I get it I think that's a distinction but moving into this on the medical field

Kylawhat's the what what are the things you want to see there what are the things you're wanting to see there so the things that I would like to see are for example no self ID and a pretty rigorous uh process by which we like determine

Kylathese things I think I haven't gotten into any of the Neuroscience stuff uh when it comes to definitions because it's really important to understand how definitions function but AI has done like crazy stuff for leaping us forward

Kylaas far as Neuroscience I believe you're born trans I don't believe that this is like a choice or anything like that and I think if you're choosing to be it you're doing it for political reasons popularity reasons or something probably mental illness specifically related

Andrew Wilsonright it seems to me the case okay can we back up just just briefly so we don't move into too many things you say that you think people are born trans absolutely I'm so questioning that uh I would say we have a really strong

Kylaliterature showing like the hity of some sort of trans issues going back hundreds of years there's absolutely been these things this is part of where autog that's not good evidence for you being

Kylaborn trans though uh another would heritability right so uh I think there's a high level of like genetic converted factors that are associated with being trans there seems to be some level of

Kylapredictability with estrogen levels um is it born as far as like epigenetic versus just genetic it's probably more in the epigenetic direction another really big marker that it's probably born in so you're talking about

Andrew Wilsonenvironmental factors impacting this in a great way is well no epigenetic factors is not environmental factors no that's not what I asked I asked if you're talking about en mental factors affecting this as well or if you think it's mostly just a genetic thing I mean

Kylaanything mental health is going to be complicated probably both of these things are playing in but probably when it comes to trans more you need to have like a genetic it's like a prerequirement maybe is the best way to say it PR the Gen so let me let me

Andrew Wilsonclarify so I'm not talking about the alcoholic who they have a predisposition towards alcohol but absent the alcohol they never become an alcoholic what I'm asking for here is if you think that that particular circumstance of the

Andrew Wilsonmovement towards the thing yeah is the genetic disposition or if there's a different genetic disposition where they're actually born with this disposition to want to move into another body or whatever the mental illness is

Kylabased on the earliness of where dysphoria seems to emerge I suspect that it's going to be like probably still epigenetic to some degree but I'm going to be clear the literature is still out

Kylaon this one on just to be clear every single thing to do with the brain so it's a really hard question to answer you mean like the trans brain scans all that yeah sure the trans brain scans where it's like are they the same as women's Brains and it's like some

Kylaresearch said yeah some said no right this is a really unsolved problem but it does seem highly genetic starting at 3 any sort of like mental thing that begins that early is very suspicious for

Andrew Wilsonhigh levels of genetic involvement so then how come when you see this when you see this movement that in other cultures you see it in distinctly different ways if you're pre-programmed for instance in

Andrew Wilsonthe west um to be a male who's born and wants to be a woman wants to be a female why is it that you respond in a distinctly different way than you would in a different culture in other words

Andrew Wilsonwhy is it that if you're born Scottish you don't want to get in a kilt right this is the this is the question why do you think that the Kilt is in any ways comparable to like uh gender identity because of presentation which is what

Andrew Wilsonyou said is the mark of gender and ID is presentation so why is it that they always want to present like a western filled-up girl who looks like kind of a skank on Instagram versus what a woman

Kylawould look like in Saudi Arabia forance so do you think trans people just don't exist outside of Western countries is saying that it's like an aesthetic that they put on are do you are you telling me that you honestly believe that

Andrew Wilsonwearing a kilt is similar to becoming TRS saying is that what I'm saying is that if it's Aesthetics that we're looking at and that's what you claim gender actually is is an aesthetic presentation towards the thing I didn't

Kylasay transgenderism ideology is that thing I said the way that I define gender is performance these are not the yeah but performance is what isn't that the aesthetic well no the performance is in large part aesthetic but you're now

Andrew Wilsonasking me about ideology we so what I'm so that's what this what I'm asking you is like how do you know how do you know that the way that these are presented right in the west if you were put in a different environment in a different

Kylacountry would they become Fafa like the S yeah that's a valid question but it's not similar to a kilt and I don't think that these things are analogous in any way and we can't pretend like they are

Kylathe the actual thing about Fafa shows probably the way that they um Express societally is pretty open up to society but the Fafa are a third gender so that

Andrew Wilsonought to put well so I mean just that alone just that statement that the environment is going to greatly impact whether or not you even present with the opposition of gender that's not what I've said okay well then why don't you

Andrew Wilsonrephrase it okay let's go back what is ideology well who cares go back to my question is ideology no wait hang on you're moving back to too far the previous statement that you just made was what the previous statement that I

Andrew Wilsonsaid was that the Fafa Express socially in a different way than you said that depending on where you're at in the world right you may not even present with this type of gender that is not what I said it is what I said that they present as a third gender but the

Kyladysphoria rates are very similar when you rate them on things like dysphoria of body it rates very similar to Western trans women and trans men they're ABS cult in the one culture yeah in this one

Andrew Wilsonculture but that this this back but this moves back to the question of like how do you know that if they're born in that's a good question what's ideology okay not so aidite you're being completely obtuse I'm not being OB you

Kylaare being OB go ahead and explain it explain it so that you feel better ask this just to be go ahead nice the reason I'm asking you this is because you moved from talking about gender and performance which is a definitional

Kylaargument to then conflating it with an ideological argument these are not the same explain it so you feel better and then we can move on I'm not going to explain it till I feel better better I'm going to explain it until we're on the same page because we can't have a good

Kylaconversation if you're shifting between the lenses analy okay so what is a difference between a performance and an ideology don't ask me questions explain it I'm asking you that question don't ask me questions explain it I don't want to explain it I want you don't want to

Andrew Wilsonexplain it you just want to ask you said I need to explain this concept to you so that you understand it I say explain it you ask me questions you're smart I think you're smart explained it three times explain it again you're very smart I don't think you're participating in the conversation

KylaI'm literally asking you to explain it to me ideology is how something comes about that's when you were asking me about things like epigenetics and nature versus nurture questions the other thing presentation performance is a semantic definitional conversation we can have

SPEAKER_00both of these but when you act like they're the same conversation it's just m so how do they take him a donated $200 how many genders are there do we

Brian Atlasneed list of five on our legal forms oh five five quadrillions got yeah okay TS did Dirty T yeah TTS did you dirty does anybody

Kylaknow what that number is by the way anyone care to W May there could be Infinity gazillion there there could be as many as you want they're socially constructed you just make them up I disagree with that because iaz light years as long as you don't

Kylabelieve in self ID these things are concret and you can manage them I don't believe in self ID I don't think there's cat gender I don't think that there's like things like zers I think non- binarism is usually people between transition of becoming trans or it's a political statement typically I think

Kylathat for for example cat gender it's just dumb I'm not really interested in it at all about Dragon what is that Dragon Kin do you have any thoughts on Dragon K dragons are so cool right no of course not okay in a serious way no of

Andrew Wilsoncourse okay okay yeah so when you're anyway when you're moving back into gender okay when you're talking about this no not the definition or the ideology yeah now we're talking about the ideology so if we're going to move

Andrew Wilsoninto this how it comes to be okay would you say that of same the same person we took the same genetics and they were born in like I don't know Zimbabwe right that there's a good distinct possibility that just due to the environment they

Kylamay never actually present in this way at all I think that there's a decent chance in like Zimbabwe I think Zimbabwe is highly conservative and maybe Islamic I could be wrong they're probably not going to present in anyway because they'd probably get killed and they're

Andrew Wilsonprobably going to have high levels of mental health conditions yeah but you don't know that that would be the reason I'm saying that if they weren't if they weren't going to you know uh instantly destroy them you think that they would come out trying to present as a Western woman or would they try to present as a

Andrew Wilsonfemale in their culture in zwe why would they ever come out as presenting like a western woman well so this is the question moving backwards I already asked you before which is if they're coming out why is it that they only want

Kylato present in the way that they see the Western cultural women determines the way that we express mental health all the time for example have you ever heard of um I forget the term of it it was a disease that went across Japan where men

Edenbelieved genuinely that their dicks were being swallowed by their body have you heard of this Mental Health time did you want to come in by the way sounded like you wanted to come in someone Google that one I feel like it's just kind of a odd question cuz it's like it's the same

Edenthing with like being gay like before how many artists spent every day with someone of the same gender and then goes down in history as their best friend obviously didn't come out as gay because like the culture they lived and didn't really accept it as much let's stick go

Kylaahead yeah so if if somebody has a mental health condition or something that is predel them towards a direction their society is going to have implication in how that looks and expresses this is why transgender people with very similar markers to Western

Kylatransgender people are Fafa in the Samoan culture in a Zimbabwe culture they're probably really depressed men and women is my guess right with high suicide rates at about oh sorry uh High

Brian Atlasbad word deletion yeah um Andrew before you respond two more minutes on this we can come back to it later I'd like to take a little intermission introlude so we can

Kylamaybe ask some other questions but we can certainly come back to it but if you guys each want to make like a so one minut I'll finish by saying this schizophrenia is a very established highly genetic mental health condition

Kylait is epigenetic in nature it typically gets triggered around 21 and you must have a genetic marker for it or you'll never have it and you have to have like two to three like major episodes of depression the issue is that the way

Kylaschizoprenia presents in Western North America isn't the same hallucinations are often very different the way that they manage the society is very different the way that schizophrenia emerges across societies is varied by

Andrew Wilsonthe society that they live in even though schizophrenia itself is a legitimate condition okay and I'll finish with this this has not manifested itself in society spontaneously by any

Andrew Wilsonmetric at all it's been a political activism by LGBT Q groups who are trying to push this forward who fund the studies into these um they fund the

Andrew Wilsonsociological studies I mean almost all of them they're funded by lgbtq groups themselves who give these grants to colleges they give them to schools they give them to all sorts of different people to do these studies and so what

Andrew Wilsonwe end up with is results we can't even trust inside of a field where the replication is so bad that in some cases it can only be replicated up to 29% so I have a hard time believing that's

Andrew Wilsonconsidering this is only something that even in my own lifetime has come to the Forefront that this is not agenda based or that people actually have any concerns whatsoever outside of this now political phenomenon has what a woman or

Kylaman ever was I don't think that they ever cared we never did you never did none nobody ever did the issue is it can always be both that's the problem it's not like autism spontaneously emerged in the 40s when we made the diagnosis it

Kylaalways existed we just didn't have a categorical name for it these are not the same things is there an agenda going on and people really trying to push it yes is it weird that lgbtq communities are funding it no most alcoholism groups

Kylafund studies for alcohol most like depression studies are funded by like some sort of really thing but there is a bias that exists the literature on like specifically transgenderism is the worst because there's actually two biased

Kylagroups there's the like very Pro lgbtq that is like super sussy with their stats and then there's the very anti-lgbtq that is also Susy with their stats and it is a nightmare trying to manage it there's a couple of groups that are in between that are doing a

Andrew Wilsonfantastic job but most of their dat is coming out in like 2024 I haven't seen very many of those I haven't seen very many of those anti-lgbtq groups inside of Sociology that's for sure especially in comparison to the other groups which

Andrew Wilsonare pro lgbtq but that that aside letting that be inside of society again you see as our mental health professionals have increased inside of society you have seen a huge amount of

Andrew Wilsonmental health also increased especially among women women enter into those fields suddenly they're giving descriptors for mental health crisises for women all over the place everybody's on some kind of anti-depressant some

Andrew Wilsontype of pill they're on some kind of something that they've been diagnosed with so it's Poss possible that pharmaceutical companies also take advantage of this I would assume that they do I would also assume that inside

Andrew Wilsonof the psychological Fields with so many women want to get into that seems to have there there's something that they're drawn to that they're attracted to but you can also see the amount of mental illness on women in society is

Andrew Wilsonthrough the roof so I almost wondering if women are chasing their own tail yeah yeah yeah sure I would ask okay we're going to take a intermission from that conversation we will return to it though

Brian Atlasif you have any notes we can certainly or any further things to add we can certainly get back to it I have a chat here from Anton excuse me antenna boy first time donating huge fan of audite

Brian Atlasand pixie also I'm a fan of Nala but obviously for a different reason she's just hot we're hot too you very hot pixie I wish you were more

Brian Atlasaggressive and less apologetic on these pods you go on you got beauty and brains talk your girl get a girl girl there you have thank you thank you antenna boy welcome to the stream

Brian Atlasappreciate it man I like that our community is immedately just nice so okay pastor's daughter um I had pastor's daughter you oh have question hide

SPEAKER_00that donated $200 there's no justification for non-essential surgery especially one as severe and life-changing as trans

SPEAKER_00surgery how can you promote kids doing this really the lesbian new world that can't be stopped if you if you guys where in the conversation I heard anybody talking about trans youth that's

Kylaso weird it's almost like they just didn't watch the show well he actually starts with there's no justification for non-essential surgery well that's another issue because you're framing The Narrative of whether or not surgeries for Trans people's essential

Pixieor Not Sorry pix that's the point you have you had something or well I mean is this a response to the TCS or I we I basically it would be a response to what's going on right now when it comes to like non essential surgery which we

Pixiecan get into but you wanted to read some stuff or you know it I'm just going to say it um I I'll allow each one of you to make a 30 second point on that TTS go ahead okay um I personally

Pixiebelieve in like individual freedom and liberty um I think when it comes to like surgeries like there should be leniency if people want to get a boob job then it who am I to say what you do with your body some people will say oh no this is going to self harm are we letting people really like self harm

Pixiethemselves um I think there's a lot of data on trans people and how like yeah like these reaffirming gender surgeries like do help their mental health um as long as they're in conjunction with also having like a supportive Network in

Andrew Wilsongeneral so yeah I think people should be allowed to be get trans surgeries if they want to generally speaking anything on that yeah so when you're talking about the performance in society right what about do you have any I just want

Pixieto ask you this do you have any duties at all to society do you personally have any of course what um I don't think I should go and kill other people that's

Pixieobeying laws no that's a duty I have a moral duty um to not harm other people okay so this particular this particular thing that you're talking about when

Andrew Wilsonyou're talking about kind of the way that Society interacts with like te- surgery let's say right I'm trying to be very cautious with my words here so I don't break any to but let's just say tea surgery you say yeah we know I think

Andrew Wilsonthat people should be able to do it if they're allowed to if they Society gets negative results most of society gets negative results from that would you still be for it can you point to me what are the negative results yeah so I'm going to point to you that most of this

Andrew WilsonSociety the current society that we're in are religious and that most of the globe is religious most of the globe is religious most of the planet earth is religious so the negative side effects that comes to them the actual pain and

Pixiesuffering that they experience from having to be part of this delusion is never something you people take into account I have a very simple question if most of the globe was racist right and you going against this racism you advocating for equal rights hurt their

Pixiefeelings really really badly because they're just ENT racist does that mean that we now have a duty to also comply in that racism no but think about what you're saying what you're saying here is

Andrew Wilsonthat the the only reason that you affirm this is because of the consequent right you think that the consequent is better for society so I could make the argument the same way that you would and say the

Andrew Wilsonconsequent of non-racism is better for society you and I would agree here the consequent we're disagreeing about whether or not it's better for society so your argument doesn't make any sense do you think that it's good to have a societ hang on before you cut in your argument doesn't make any sense it does

Pixiemake sense now how does it make sense I literally listed two reasons right I say we have a moral duty to try not to harm others right that doesn't mean that like oh no like my feelings are hurt now suddenly that's a equal consequence

Andrew Wilsonanother person um I think you could see harm when it comes to like suicide or um so if you're talking so again so so again what you're saying is right do

Pixiethis thing for them regardless of the harm that it is to you because it's more harmful to them because they're holding you tionally hostage what okay what is your level of harm that's my question okay no no but let's put this very

Pixiesimple let's um use a Peter Singer example you see a child drowning in a pond okay you can go save that child but as a result you're going to get your shoes wet and that that's kind of harmful to you they're like nice new

Pixieshoes you know you don't like the feeling of soggy socks this doesn't even work no no listen listen please listen Hey listen please so here's a deal right we can all agree that there is a level

Pixieof like hey you know what you might not be uncomfortable with this you know this might like hurt you a little bit whatever um but you should still do this action because it's a greater moral right saying Oh no you're going to feel some level of harm so don't do something is not a good argument for not helping

Alexaanother person that is what the argument is getting your shoes wet is very different than okay can I hold on hold on let's get these two in did you want to go let her go for okay you then you goad I mean it's kind of got past there

Edenbut I do think it was interesting to say it um what's to cite as a reason for harm is that a lot of the world is religious when a lot of almost how many wars were fought for religion how much Pains been caused because of religion how many how much War was fought for for

Andrew Wilsonatheism secularism the entire 20th century under communism Communists eradicated religion ruthlessly eradicated religion was responsible for some of the grossest amounts of the

Kyladeath rate in the 20th century totally secularist Society totally secular yeah I mean I I think like citing religion as the source of like violence is is kind of low resolution because the reality is that it's like ideology is the source of

KylaWars right the reason why like oh actually I shouldn't go into that to bring up the conflict that you probably don't want on your Channel right now um the reason why like lots of people go into war they might even claim that it's a holy war half the time it's ideology

Kylahalf the time it's like group thinking and like outgroup think so like blaming religion for violence is as empty to me as blaming like atheism for like violence like any ideology that's taken to an extreme to justify violence is going to lead to violence religion's one

Andrew Wilsonof those obviously but so is communism so is Nazism yeah I wouldn't dispute that you can have and have had religious wars of course you have but this idea that's inside of people's brains that uh religion is the biggest cause of the

Andrew Wilsonconflict that's going on in the world the 20th century does not bear that out at all that is not what the 20th century shows do you have I was just going to

Salemsay there's a lot um in today's society of transgender people who do get uh surgery have come out and said that they

Salemreally regret it and it really has ruined their lives and there's been a lot of um you know of people that are you talking about like D transitioners I mean yeah d d transitioners I don't know they were

Salemborn that way though right and they come out and say that you know they they that the LGBT community or the trans Community um do you think D transition what percent do you think D transition

Salemhonestly I couldn't give you an exact take a guess take a guess you say like four 5% right super super small it's less than that it's less than that it's less than 1% typically yeah but what is

Kylathe percentage of people who identify as trans who transition at all exactly what is the percentage of trans who transition at all self trans quite

KylaHigh actually not self I thought it was 1% isn't it 1% it's 1% is no 1% is trans the number of people who do end up transitioning is significantly higher they oh not all can afford medically

Brian Atlastransitioning so 1% of the population is trans but the higher percent of the percentage no within the 1% 1% I thought

Brian Atlasyou saying it's not even that 1% transition 80% I have a question okay last thing on this last thing last thing

Salemgo ahe do you think that that um transition surgeries should be funded by you know she's Canadian I'm Canadian

Kylaso I'm going to have a slight I'm definitely Pro universal healthcare um I am for it but not as it currently exists as far as vetting right now so I wouldn't like put a hold on it necessarily but there's a lot of really

Kylagood research being done in especially a lot of European countries to ensure that the people that are applying and getting the surgeries actually need it because one thing I will say that is extremely important to site here is that a very

Kylawell-replicated finding is that when people adults transition there is a reduction of suicide attempts by over 70% it is a massive drop and there before anyone says the Pediatric studies on that didn't replicate as far as like

Brian Atlasconversion therapy working just remind you use uh or something we we'll we're going to take an inlude we'll we'll come back to it if

Alexayou guys want to do you guys like puppies only trans puppies you mentioned at the beginning cats that turn Nala you

Nalamentioned at the beginning you describe yourself as the aiga queen I think what what is that so I um I've been watching anime for a long time now and I'm

Nalafascinated by the the culture of Japan and what they do with the characters and I feel like it's just so different and so basically the aago face to me is like the face like you're just in so much

Nalapleasure you're just going to like burst your brain out like for me I just love the P like the look I just love it what and what is the no it's a good thing it's more like a Christian no

Nalait's like a Christian looking at me like what the he's so disappointed can we see has anyone done the a heo face to you uh oh wa he's a

Kikimarri whatever has your wife ever done that I don't even know what it is it's like your eyes just like the crossey

Nalacross oh good better ring into the

Nalacamera okay that's it's even better when you can hold it for and wait what is the oo what it's just like an anime word it's just like what is the difference between the two o is like cute and like

Nalalittle like it's not it's Kaw are there different versions are there different versions of the AI they okay they kind of are but

Nalalike main the main thing is like just crossing your eyes up and out kind of thing and it's almost like rolling your eyes in the back of your head because it's just like you know that's and

Nalathen what's the other version the other I don't know I feel like so some people like really judge me for this I really don't give a but it's like um you're just going insane like for me

Nalait's like I'm so passionate about a lot like all I can do in that moment is just you know I'm not even being right now and it's like you know it's like excitement pure

Brian Atlasexcitement good times like how you worried about s so disturbed by all of this I love that this is okay this is fine how uncomfortable on a scale one to 10 and well it's just creepy right just like it's just creepy I don't know if

Nalait's I don't know if it's creepy in the moment it's not creepy okay in the moment maybe with an intimate partner it's not creepy but yeah I'm sure it's not I'm sure there's a lot of men oh there's so many and I've introduced so many people to it they're like it's like

Nalayou don't know what to do but like you're you're making them go insane like that girl is going insane with what you're doing to them that's hot it's like I'm this girl into Oblivion

Brian Atlasright now like like she's losing her sanity okay that's just so cool all right it's good it's good uh so just

Kikireally quick on the whole pastor's daughter thing let's go back come on coming back ready for it what change like was there a

Nalaprecipitating moment my mom like was there some moment where you just snapped or oh no so honestly I was so um I felt so alone being a Christian I felt so

Nalalike being a pastor's daughter you're you're looked up to by not only the church but your family standards are so high and it felt just like the most like the biggest cage I've ever been in in my

Nalalife what do you mean the family standards family standards so being extremely modest but not like wearing like pencil skirts stuff like that no makeup it was it was just you know being very modest you know um you're representing the church kind of thing

Salemit's different and do you feel like do you feel like that had um an impact on like you joining only fans and like you cuz I come from a middle eastern family and like I my culture was very very you

Nalaknow like against all of that and I feel like it did have something to do like being is it rebell so for me I was like out of my house at like 4 a.m. after after I was like a pastor's daughter I

Nalawent through this super rebellious stage of like just like I I was like I just need to get out like and it had nothing that had nothing to do with only fans I probably stopped being a pastor's

Naladaughter around like 18 I think and I just I'm so hypersexual that my path had I just felt like my path had something to do with my

Nalasexuality no matter what it was okay I take that back I would not go be a stripper I would never wanted I never like thought or saw myself as that um what would be the distinction though

Nalathere's such a big distinction one it's all online two they never see you in person you know like it's all online you get to chat with them online you send me the same principle you're just taking

Nalaoff your clothes for money right oh absolutely I'm not is it like a safety it is the biggest thing for me was like you know I'm doing this from the comfort of my own home and I actually like enjoy

Nalathis so much it gave me so much freedom I can't even tell you like the person I become now is so much of a stronger person than I would have ever been so it's all it's all for you yeah who else would it have been for

Andrew Wilsonpiggy backing off this is this is just something that I see all the time like well yeah but who else well every girl that I've talked to so far here at this

Andrew Wilsonpodcast it's always me me me me me also you know how to relate I don't think so I think I think that we don't know each

Andrew Wilsonother you are literally on here right promoting your scoot your mic that's all about I'm not trying to talk about my dog on here no that's not what I'm talking about I'm I'm talking about your

Nalachoices not about this stream I'm not talking about talking about yourself for some big extravagant reason it's not like I have this big dramatic story where I was like I was trying to save someone and I needed the money for it it

Nalawas for myself it was a huge freedom to do whatever I wanted I now have Financial stability as a female I don't need a mail you know there's just so many things I have a question about that

Alexathough so now that okay cuz I I I understand the piece of like okay Financial Freedom and you got to that place you're at that place now why and I want to ask this question respectfully why still do it

Nalawell why do you not think that there's other things for you to do now but there is I've been doing it for the last like year and a half I picked up Japanese weapons training martial arts boxing I

Nalado fight scenes I do cosplay like what is it that I don't do I snowboard I ski I I'm like I do everything do you I'm off for like I don't volunteer but I I'm

Andrew Wilsonlike more nurturing in different ways anyone who comes in my life is Tak pure self-gratification right what else is life about I feel hangang that's the key Point that's the key Point hang on Brian real quick

Nalathat's the key Point did you when I asked you it's all about self-gratification and you say what else is life about other than self-gratification no no no I feel like

Andrew Wilsonlife is about finding true peace and joy like I feel like that's what it is then why was your why was your first response to say what else is life about except self-gratification I didn't say

Nalaself-gratification you did I think it's truly about happiness and and happiness well what is happiness Japanese my B staff no I mean for you what is happiness happiness is

Andrew Wilsonisself doing thing you like right that's what makes you happy not even things that I like but educ violent volunteer and you were like no I nurture people anyone who comes around me like I said I

Nalanurture them and I feel like I have a duty to do that as a female to nurture anyone that comes in my presence anyone who walks in my home I help people online like if I watch people's like Tik

Brian AtlasTok stories I love to go gift I'm a complete stranger but that's all for you though right well I don't think so here let's not linger too long on that um okay you were saying you you mentioned something well

Brian Atlaspgy backing off something I think you said um those of you those of the girls here at the table who do only fans what do your parents think about it do they support you do they not support you um

Salemactually and why don't we start with you and move this way go ahead no not at all they're not do they well do they know they don't know so they don't know I

Salemthink why Mom picked up on it and she knows but she doesn't want to admit it um but I think like once I go to Du buy

Salemor something it's a deal breaker like I am deleting my account like it's gone because it's just something that I don't

Brian Atlasthink will ever I think I'll be disowned from my culture wait so but hold on uh when are you going to Dubai uh in in a couple months in a couple months so your parents don't know what you have any

Brian Atlassiblings do they know yeah my brother knows they know is there any fear that they might tell your wait are your parents currently living in the US or the UAE so my dad uh my parents are living in the US but my

Salemmom's in Dubai right now I see okay um what would I mean would your parents just dis you said they would disown you if they found out my mom wouldn't I

Salemthink she would understand um and and with my dad I it doesn't really matter what he thinks honestly like obviously I care about what he thinks and I know

Salemthat it it will affect him and i' never want to do that and I think that if they can't understand me that's okay and I'm not you know I'm an adult I oh go ahead

Brian Atlasgo ahead no no oh and did you say was it your family that is Muslim or is it are you Muslim too my family is Muslim okay I see um I am Muslim gotcha okay um is

Salemthere any like safety ramifications for you in any way when you're talking that cuz yeah you you said you're going to delete your stuff but I mean the internet's forever so well yeah it is forever and I'm okay with that and it's

Salemjust about me like you know moving on in a way because I don't plan to do it forever um obviously people will find out and obviously people have found out and that's okay with me because in in a

Salemway if it was just me I would not give a what anybody thinks like I would be okay with not ever seeing anyone or it's just my family like my mom honestly it's just my mom I have a very close

Salemrelationship with my mom and I don't ever want to hurt her reputation cuz in our culture reputation reput is family name is everything and especially in the Middle East when you

Salemgo over there no one will talk to you no one will marry you no one will you know be friends with you and it and honestly I don't give a because if you can't accept me for who I am then that's fine

Brian Atlasbut do do you think that that's a that's a good trade it sucks do you think it's a good trade in order for you to pursue your only fans career to potentially lose uh the support of your family or

Salemconnection with your family it sucks I think it's it it's very uh because I know what I'm doing is not particularly you know if I could choose a different

Salempath for myself and you know I would and I I plan to you know move on from it but I don't care I love what I do at the end of the day like I love what I do and I

Salemwould never um you could Chet it no no no but I don't regret what I do but I did it and I I'm planning on you know

Salemthe only reason I did it though is so I could pursue other things I love and in the future and have enough money to support myself and pursue the things I love sure so what about you what your

Edenparents know do they supportive non supportive they I try to keep it see it for three days I got doxed and they got they sent it to my entire extended family go that was quick that was

Brian Atlasquick uh wait and I had a question I mean I and Sor do you hold on let me just double check my notes Here cuz I don't want to get this wrong uh you said

Brian Atlasthat in your pre-show notes here you said that your sex life is your business ATP what is ATP at this point oh at this point I see are you involved besides only fans are you do you do escorting at

Edenall um I do not do escorting what's that I don't do escorting no no escorting yeah I've done like Dom work I've done like cut holding I've done other things cuz for me I'm very so I know for some girls like her and that's completely valid it's like it is a lot of money at

Edena young age and you can use that as something to trans to other things for me I just I love sex work I love the woman in it um I'm passionate about I think sex work should be decriminalized

EdenI just um I have a notch on the Belt mentality so for me I want to try almost basically all types of sex work yeah and on you describe yourself uh on your

Brian AtlasInstagram I think wholesome type 1 diabetic top 1% Creator on only fans um wholesome uh is I feel like that's a bit of an oxymoron like porn star wholesome

Brian AtlasI think that's the point that was the point being I see okay it's a joke sure um I think on your Twitter you describe yourself as a financial Dominatrix

Edencuckle dris and sexual healer um so yeah I do have like alternate accounts and do other things um I think cuz yeah like I said not on the about mentality I think it's fun to just try all different types

Brian Atlasof sex work okay and you it's there's a $25 initial fee and then the $100 unblock fee what's what's the on block fee if I block you and you want to keep talking to me you got to send me $100 in

Brian Atlasmy cash app with your username in my in the note oh this is like a fom type of thing I see okay I see um no escorting at all because there are like people sending me messages like claiming I

Edendon't know claiming you do have because I I've well like cuing certain things I've done in person like I've pegged men I've done um what's it called um Co name

Edenfor for both of for both yeah like I've had like this guy who would like to like he want me to make my feet stink and then watch my boyfriend me and smell my feet like yeah how much does that cost a

Brian Atlascouple thousand couple thousand how do you how does one make their feet stinky you just don't no socks in Old sneakers okay it's not fun but you know uh and on your Twitter uh we're not going to pull anything up but you said that you you

Edenwant cucks is that I think you made a tweet something about you want cucks I haven't had a man to do it with recently but my ex-boyfriend liked to do that type of

Brian Atlasstuff and he was a cucking himself too yeah okay so when and a cuck is that a guy who just while you would have sex with somebody else he'd be in the corner crying type of thing well um so I don't know how explicit I can get on here like

Edenmy ex-boyfriend likeed to like eat the condom smell out of me type of thing um I had two boyfriends at a point to he liked to watch me and his homie like

Unknownthat's why I say relationships are defined by the people in them and you got to remember just like there's a girl doing this there are a bunch of men paying yeah exactly you you

Salemyou guys would be surprised you so surprised what men like oh yeah you I just think um stop it go ahead Nala you know what's crazy I

Nalaknow not personally but I know of a lot of males who want to eat out a girl who's been like comed in by another that is such a kink and that's like so crazy there's men who want to get fed their ownc like there's a lot of different

Alexathings because I'm not I'm not okay I like I'm not King shaming nobody I don't get it I'm sorry Andrew I'm sorry Andrew

Unknownabout there's what men will publicly like and there what men like just telling us how boring he is okay like men will publicly like certain things and like I'm okay with being boring if the oppos girls are someone highest paid

Edenin porn you know chicks with that's one of the highest paid in porn um um big um big beautiful women they're one of the highest paid in porn like certain things men don't publicly like to their friends but because BBWs are the highest paid I

Edensaid not highest paid but transs make insane amount of money really insane like some of the biggest on only fans and so it's like that repression that Kink oh my God my friends wouldn't like that if anything it makes that fetish

Edenstronger like with the you know pastor's a thing or Catholic School pipeline the repression makes things stronger oh my friends would think I'm so gross in your dating life you want you wanted you prefer a boyfriend who's a cuck I think

Brian AtlasH I didn't know I liked it until I had it okay all right each their own you know all right um you also said you also said though you're done tricking on men

Brian Atlas2023 uh do guys research what does it mean to trick on a on is that so I've had a feminine boyfriend before like I can for me like you're theg she said is what I've learned is I didn't mind

Edenlooking out for men to a certain extent but so many men feel demase them the fact that girls taking care of them a lot of the time makes a man feel weird but for me if a man like loves and accepts me and understands me

Edenif he is a cuck that's fun in certain things then I don't mind tricking on you but then I've kind of learned I can't do it because um it doesn't seem to pan out well because at the end of the day they feel demasculinized for the

Edenunknowledgeable what is tricking on them man spending money oh so you like sugar mama type of thing or it can be fun yeah if a guy is and I think it's attractive if a man can still feel like a man while

Naladoing that like that's so hot it's so hot you're like okay Daddy like I'm literally like cooking for you like I'm here for you I'm also like putting a roof over your head and you are

Nalaliterally still the man you can choke me slap me bend me over and I'm like that's

NalaDaddy yeah it's fine but it's nice it's so nice to be like spend your money on things that you know you want but like especially if you care about someone you're like damn it's yours anyway S I got to raise my hand real quick on this

Brian Atlasone are you are you sing on the dudes like you're spending money on the dudes I like it yeah I like taking care of like I feel like I'm a nurturer where's the fitness Nala super Chats on the whatever podcast that's what I'm

Alexawondering okay go ahead Alexa no I was going to say here's the thing and like just say just say God being the sorry being the oldest woman at this table which is sad or wait how are you 29 okay second oldest woman at this table sorry

Alexawe're we're up there compared to the did you just assume my gender I mean my age my apolog performative I just saw the flannel I just made assumptions um it it's one of those

Alexathings like I I get like girls make your money do your thing I'm all for a woman taking care of herself and I I support that but at the same time like as time goes on you don't want to be the mother

Alexaof your partner like that that's the thing you have to know and it's like like I love a strong man that can take care of I can take care of myself I've been taking care of myself since I was 16 years old not cuz I want to just the reality of what it is and that's fine

Alexacan you scoot your SC all the way but it's one of those things also I think that there's like this very weird contradiction of like be a boss babe do these things but

Alexaat the same time when you do it like you it it can demasculate men and and and in this position it's like there's a balance between saying like be your own person support yourself

Alexamake as much money as you can I'm all for that but at the same time like don't mother your partner it's not attractive over time and I this is the thing is once you you might like that in

Alexathe beginning you might want to S on a man that's your choice but as the years go on I'm going to tell you right now there's a lot of strong women in my family and they're the Breadwinners they're the caretakers and like it's

Alexaembarrassing to say but like my cousin and I when we were 12 years old we saw the women in our family being everything and we're like if this is what marriage is we don't want this like why why would you want to be everything like you if you're taking care of kids then you

Edencould just be single and take care of yourself and like a pet you know like you want a man to be a man there's a man that could be taken care of and is going to like you know talk about sitting on his a couch playing video games doing nothing and there's a man who like okay a lot of women can recognize if a man

Edenwas taken care of you you would have room to explore other interests build other hustles and do other things so if the man is taking that you are the bread winner as a reason to do more with his time or do more with the money you you make or help you make money or help you

Brian Atlasgrow your business that's one thing but just sitting back and like oh she's got it so I'm just going to but I between that is a boy and a man all right but it's also like yeah yeah that cool cool okay cool um so just to finish off with

Brian Atlasmy questions for you um let's oh the parent one yes um you do only fans as well do your parents know supportive not supportive so my mom knows she I actually just told her about the only

Caitlynfans she's been known that I'm a dancer since I started my stepdad knows I'm a dancer but he doesn't really he he doesn't know about the only fans just because he has a pretty antiquated view on you know the internet's there forever and safety and stuff like that so he

Caitlyndoesn't really when you say Antiquated view what do you mean I think it's just um a boomer SL Gen X perspective that what what perspective is

Caitlynthat that you what is the Antiquated perspective yeah that you shouldn't post that stuff on the internet orative yeah yeah I guess that would be conserv and

Kylais that Antiquated or is that I mean I would it's that more common older populations of wait so do you your parents do they know that you're they

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