02:53:02Brian Atlasdaddies yes is that would you what's the I know uh would you say that's right huh just kidding a lot of it I spent here the sure well it comes quick it goes
02:53:13Brian Atlasquick yeah and the total that you've made is over seven figures over a million from like from from the sugar daddies and pings at 20
02:53:24Brian Atlasyears old yeah that's I mean is it any because earlier you said the guys aren't financially matching you you're 20 years
02:53:33Brian Atlasold so like if you're dating a 21y old guy there are no 21-year-old men that that are earning yes there are there actually know many many many men I don't
02:53:45Brian Atlasknow maybe in America there's not much but I'm like I'm not it usually takes men a little longer to come into making that kind of that kind of money but I disagree you disagree one in seven
02:53:57AlexaAmericans are a millionaire and that's their entire net worth with a house and everything like there's majority people kind in our generation Nows easier to get hold no no no hold on hold on what the stats like so if you read like you
02:54:09Alexasaid one in seven people are millionaires in the US but that's like your entire network your house that's everything take the retired most people reti like1 million well I don't care what 60 and 50y olds are making in the
02:54:22Brian Atlascontext of this conversation she's not romantically I assume you're not romantically pursuing there's thousands and millions of 20y old can we try like can we please try like if you're going
02:54:32Brian Atlasto make a comment like that it is somehow tangent like it is somehow related like it it makes sense to be brought up okay um I'm announcing my
02:54:44Pixieentrance into the pay pig market um if anybody wants to send me some cash for free same here sorry for the joke okay so
02:54:52Brian Atlasum that's bro didn't Mr Beast buy like 500,000 wells in Africa for like 500k I just want to say uh I actually don't
02:55:03Brian Atlastotally blame the women I blame the men for engaging in this kind of thank you frankly pathetic Behavior where you are
02:55:12Pixiejust sending these women this they get off on the being shamed I get it they want me to degrade of oh you degrade them to yeah they want me to call them disgusting they want
02:55:24Brian Atlasme to tell them I have a little this is a mental illness making somebody willing to transfer her another 100K they're like yes sh me Daddy literally come here like Master
02:55:36SalemIAD tend to spend tell your men get in the chat I'll shame them men who I will shame you guys men who like to be degraded I think I've literally B rupt some of and I don't even want sometimes I'm like yo like okay let's slow down
02:55:49Salemand they're like no like take every last dollar I yes the why if you're because if you're that's not my problem if I was like if I was like going to be me it's going to be somebody
02:56:01Kylaelse so you're still ethically responsible for it who what if I'm literally just sitting there and they're like please take my money please as a streamer I've had manic people try to drop me like 100 like lots and lots of
02:56:15Kylamoney I've explicitly I've explicitly told them no because I like care enough about Society to like not take advantage of people when they're like in like mental health Dire Straits like if there there's no way there's difference between mental
02:56:28Edenillness and a fetish though okay but if you're fetish is so bad that you were taking out second mortgages and destroying your life it is now also a mental ill some of these men lik they want girls to make them take loans out and stuff like that and then literally breu their
02:56:40Salemcredit there's literally pay that will literally not take out their money before you like they'll give you their check and you take how many money before they like I know guys that are into
02:56:52Salemfendom I've and I'm not saying that's cool obviously and I literally like there are sugar that I literally care about so much I get that you're the girl selling them crack
02:57:04Nalaand you like see their teeth falling out and you're like here's some more crack I guess if you want like it's actually I totally see that point but also her point was like they're going to go do it to someone else how do you feel you're responsible for killing the
02:57:16Salemaddi I'm sorry like you know like what am I supposed to say I'm not your therapist I'm but have you ever pushed them into therapy have you ever been like like this is kind of stopped it I've stopped it at some point like there has been a lot of points where I'm like
02:57:29Edenyo like this is getting a little too much like I think but you said you still would take it at the end of the day money to like what you're like 20 like you know what I mean like like like have you heard of
02:57:41Kylamullock's like game so it's this idea that like if keep all doing bad things to like out compete each other going to hor because you're the person selling the crack addict crack when their teeth that's like someone saying okay watching
02:57:53Salemporn and if you keep putting out porn then you're if someone has like a like a porn addiction and you keep putting out porn then you're literally like selling the crack how is that this like because there's a difference between selling and
02:58:05Kylaproviding porn that is ubiquitously available your opinion but this is my opinion it's not my opinion I'm outlining like a serious ethical problem here right this is like I'm all for only
02:58:16Kylafans I don't really care like I love the liberal society and I love that it makes women stay safe but my biggest bone with
02:58:24Kylathat's a funny joke as well uh with only fans is like when thank you ni uh when women are willing to engage in actively unhealthy Behavior it like unethical
02:58:36Kylabehavior and I've talked with only fans models who' been like absolutely when girls are like lying actively when they're willing to just take men for everything you're lying but there's women who will lie about girlfriend experience for example and they'll keep
02:58:48Kylasaying I'll meet up with you someday which is never true find that very so I'm glad that we agree with that most people do but wait aren't you lying actively no not at all they know I will
02:59:02SPEAKER_00never dude that's Slatterly a mental illness I don't care if it's pouring outside a 304s well would stay dry what
02:59:16Brian Atlasthat okay thank you uh St rezy um in any case you've made over seven figures at the age of 20 via sugar daddies and pay
02:59:26Brian Atlaspigs uh yeah but congratulations on the money that's but life on easy mode holy I wish I was still making that much from them but uh you are supposed to be an actual fuking human and be
02:59:39Brian Atlascompassionate but instead you're going out of your way the most toxic person you can possibly be blank is toxic to society may God have mercy what he's he's kind of like backing up what I was
02:59:51Kylasaying and just to be clear I don't think all women who do fom are bad I don't think doing paypig like people have weird Kinks and fetishes I don't really care my problem is when you know that somebody is actively doing
03:00:02Salemgreat harm to themselves and you continue to enable that behavior that's the line I think that is true I think that is true I think if you know someone is literally about to go broke and is literally like giving you like literally
03:00:16Salemthey're about to lose their mortgage whatever the but 99% of the time that is not the case but you said there was one case there was one case was true
03:00:26SalemI said there was one case that was true you bankrupted one man yes one guy knowingly wait did you knowingly did you knowingly bankrupt him no no so basically not knowingly so I bankrupted him right and then after but you said
03:00:39Salemyou said he he was he told you as part of his fetish or King say was like take all my money take all my money so did you think he was just like no stop stop
03:00:49Brian Atlasstop chill no no no dude I calm down go it's not that serious okay no I'm not upset at you but she's interrupting me while I'm trying to arrive yeah I understand okay this what
03:01:01SalemI'm going to say this one more time I'm going to say this one more time okay the one time that this happened a lot of the pay pigs will say a lot of similar phrases such as take all my money I want
03:01:12Salemyou to you know take this money from me please request like whatever like take take me master whatever right so a lot of times it it they use the same phrases you know you don't really like you're
03:01:24Salemnot really talking about what's the limit what what blah blah blah correct so so you like want to stay there comes a time where there was this guy and he was like
03:01:36Salemplease take all my money blah blah blah and I was like you know like how much should I request and he was like just request a number blah blah blah okay boom I'll request and he'll be like take you know request again request again
03:01:46Salemblah blah blah until the next day and then he'll be like you know I I I can't give you anymore like I I don't have anymore and I was like okay why did you
03:01:58Salemlike you know it I didn't know if he had told me like you know did I don't have that much money what did you give it back no if if he were like can I have my money back I
03:02:10Salemdon't have any like money like literally I'm bankrupt she also said if not me somebody else like it's obvious that like they're willing to and obviously from that point forward I have not done that anymore like I will never take that much money there's like a limit I take
03:02:23Salemfrom pay pigs like I will not you know condone there is a limit yeah what's the limit the limit is like 5 to 10,000 depending on who the pay pig is so
03:02:34Salemdepending on but I stop the C I'm calling okay but so yeah no but that was and that was like in the like literally the beginning of when I like first ever
03:02:46Salemlike found out what pay pigs were and I was clearly not making as much money and I you know I'm not saying it's correct yes I did and I'm not saying you know I'm proud of it but it happened and I'm not
03:02:58Salemgoing to sit here and like you know be like oh yeah I should have like whatever it should have happened but it didn't happen and I'm not about to like you know like go back on so you knowingly bankrupted him I didn't okay of course
03:03:09Andrew Wilsonyou you I mean how you take it how you he told you didn't give the money back that's no I didn't so you knly bankrupted the guy uh
03:03:19Brian Atlassure I've totally even forgot what we were going around on this we were talking about sugar daddy sugar mommies um do you you have any sugar
03:03:31Edendaddies yeah I've had sugar daddies now they're hesitant to answer these okay have you bankrupted any of them um no but um what was I going to say many I've had situations where I feel like well I
03:03:43Edenwould have I've had like reservations to do certain things and then felt less bad because of little comments that kind of make me feel like they have certain Kinks I have a moral judgment again like they'll ask to see pictures of you while
03:03:56Edenyou're younger or ask you questions about when you were um we talked about this yeah did you like certain things did you have this fetish since you were a young age and certain things now I have no remorse we talked about this the
03:04:06Brian Atlasguy that I bankrupted you know what he was getting from me pictures of me in high school pictures of me when I was 13 well why would you Jesus wait so not
03:04:16Salemonly not only wait not only not only did you pause can I can I finish let me I just I I told you this was in the time
03:04:26Salemwhen I was literally broke okay I I don't care like what okay I literally don't give a anyway I'm saying this
03:04:36Salemwas at a time when I did not understand what like how this was done I didn't understand I was literally I just needed the money and it just so happened to be an easy way cuz I was literally just
03:04:48Salemsending selfies of myself and he thought I was in high school and I made him like a lot of the pictures were like of me when I was like 17 18 okay um so not
03:04:59Brian Atlasonly did you engage him in his his desire to be financially dominated you also engaged him in his uh I'm not going to use the
03:05:10Kylawords he oh hold on it's obviously not the p word that's always about prees I hate when people use this word for high school kids it's not the same
03:05:20SPEAKER_00a feile whatever whatever okay uh here grid One Motorsports donated $200 Lads this is why right here lying
03:05:32SPEAKER_00Twisted pathetic excuses for a human that should be avoided at all cost the number of red flags here can be seen from space stay far away do not approach
03:05:45Brian Atlasokay uh there you have it grid One Motorsports there you have it that guy grid One Motorsports absolutely correct how 100% correct that that that's crazy to me wait did it make you feel less bad
03:05:58Pixieknowing that he was like trying to solicit from a minor so you felt like you know since he was attracted to miners he was like going Min
03:06:09Brian Atlasweird good job pixie good job sorry Nickelodeon many women don't find a man attractive or interesting unless he's already taken case in point n is cheating then they have the nerve to ask
03:06:21Nalathemselves why they can't find good men I've never seen a man with virtue yeah I never asked why I couldn't find a good man and like I said I'm not even looking
03:06:30Brian Atlasso all right we have puffy vad Vegas I think to the 27-year-old it doesn't matter if a guy pays 100% 50% zero of the bills I've never known a faithful
03:06:40Brian Atlaswoman and I've known thousands PS I have a 300 plus natural born female body count of mostly hot girls okay
03:06:49Brian Atlascongratul good Flex you're just of good talk good talk okay um going around the table on this so um I'm just curious on the numbers and I'll try to
03:07:00Brian Atlasmove through it quickly how many um how many pay pigs or sugar daddies have you had uh maybe like five five total okay um what's the most in any one
03:07:11Brian Atlastransaction that you've received M like 6K 6K okay and to Total I have no idea more more than six
03:07:23Brian Atlasfigures total since I've been doing it from all sugar daddies and uh pay pigs I guess yeah more than six figures seven figures no okay life on easy mode okay
03:07:35Caitlynjust writing that in my notes what about you um I'm actually not super I don't profit from my only fany well have you had sugar daddies I have one kind of one kind of what do you mean so like he's
03:07:48Caitlynalso in the military so they don't really make all that much money but like he'll like if I tell him I'll post on my story like who wants to pay for my haircut and he'll just send me or this H this particular occasion happened once
03:08:01Caitlynum I posted who wants to pay for my haircut and he sent me a hundred bucks didn't even ask me how much it was you know um and then he texted me one time he was like how much does it take to get your lashes done I said 30 bucks a week he sent me
03:08:15Brian Atlas[Laughter] I love you you're watching that's so pathetic okay not for you just that's so sad um I think we call that a simp okay
03:08:29Brian Atlasuh oh we have Derek the trader here then we'll get to Nala they're all simps like are all these people simps only fans will only get larger I work in finance in 2022 payment to content creators was a staggering 5.6 billion that number is
03:08:41Brian Atlasexpected to rise significantly in the next 5 years okay uh failed Society all right what about you Nala I've never had a sugar daddy I've always been really
03:08:51Nalascared of the I'm scared to talk to someone in that way because I feel like I might get a stalker I'm actually genuinely scared it's the fetishes that kind of
03:09:03Nalascare me because it drives so hard and so I'm like you know only fans is like safe for me because it's one online and I don't feel like they're sugar daddies they're not giving me gifts they don't have my phone number they can't get in
03:09:15Brian Atlastouch with me any other way besides for only fans but like I said it just scared me so gotcha and then going back to the original thing that we were talking about I think I was going around on uh
03:09:25Brian Atlasare you actually single I think I got did I did we where and that's what led into the um Alexa you're you were previously on the show and in your
03:09:36Brian Atlaspre-show notes to us that we kind of discussed in the previous show um you said you you have quite a few unique dating stories you a lot two out of your three past serious relationships came
03:09:47Brian Atlasfrom Tinder you also did a a challenge where you went on 50 First Dates with 50 different men in 50 days um then you that's how you started meeting some of
03:09:57Alexayour relationships um are you still doing that no I'm so single I haven't been on a date since I've become single in the past several months really I've
03:10:07AlexaNE yes I've never had a sh daddy oh okay I would like to say like Lord knows I hear your guys' stories I I was raised by a single mom I had to pay for
03:10:18Alexaeverything growing up I worked 109 hours during the pandemic I worked three jobs I paid my student loans like I'm not going to lie it's slightly infuriating to hear how easy it is for you guys and
03:10:30AlexaI'm not even mad but like Parton me is just like Yo dude like there's a lot of people out there that are struggling and they push and push and like damn you don't have to feel bad all you have to
03:10:42Andrew Wilsonto do is eliminate all of your virtues and any sense that you have of Shame and then you I mean do the same I have only one situation I remember where I turned
03:10:55Edendown I said I feel like I can think of one situation that was to um immoral for me and I turn down yeah okay oh you turned it down though yeah like I feel like I actually want to hear what was too
03:11:07Edenimoral I can't like name names but like it was an artist like I that's pretty famous and I uh listened to and so I thought it was going to be a positive situation and very quickly into that
03:11:18Edeninteraction it started going into he started showing me videos of the girls he he told me he would want me to take control of his bank account when he released his next album like I could take all the money and take control of everything he was calling me Daddy this entire time but he wanted me to pimp him
03:11:31Edenout when he told me he wanted me to pimp him out I was kind of saying like I feel like you're in the industry and you would know people could give more money he said he would rather sell himself for cheap he was um and I there was like a
03:11:43Edenvideo of um the videos you were showing me I don't feel like I feel like everything all the kings I list are probably like to violations like basically like everything that's like a
03:11:53SPEAKER_00different level Sports donated $200 the owner have paid himself 1.3 million a day last year and still owns the billion dollar company you are all
03:12:04SPEAKER_00his hookers regardless of how empowered you feel you are not special oh wow okay there you you know you can actually sell like cooking shows on only fans yeah but
03:12:13Kylamost of them people making money are not let's see okay all right it's not just that I mean isn't he your pimp no obviously not like that that would who are we having sex with on only plat
03:12:27Kylaplatforms are not pimps because like there's a there's a very specific relationship obviously otherwise like any titty streamer would then be like pimped by twitch like no obviously not they're not pimps we could talk about
03:12:38Brian Atlaslike the ethics of only fans that's another conversation is you ping you out when you just to bring it back just to bring it back to Alexa here really quick um so you did the whole so what was the if you can explain really quick the
03:12:50Brian Atlaswhole like 50 dates and 50 days with 50 different guys and if you can tell us like the breakdown because there were breaks in that where you actually ended up getting into relationships so can you explain the whole 50 dates 50 days 50
03:13:02Alexadifferent guys thing yeah so I didn't start dating until I was like 18 19 and it's just I haven't I didn't meet someone that I thought was virtuous of any of my time basically and I was busy
03:13:14Alexaso I said okay let's let's enter the dating Market let's see how this goes and I said I don't want to be so picky cuz I know on dating apps it's so easy to just do a quick swipe and judge
03:13:24Alexasomeone so fast so I said okay let's push myself let's do and I'm an extremist in the sense of like I was like well let's let's try to meet as many people as we can and see if we click with anyone so I was like I'm
03:13:35Alexagoing to go on 50 dates and 50 days with 50 different guys so I met my first serious relationship he was date 14 I went on a date every single day one day I went on two dates and I was just going
03:13:47Alexathrough the motions and it it was good in the sense of like you go on a bad date and you don't have time to think about it cuz you're like on to the next and then I met my first serious relationship and we were together for three and a half years that was my
03:13:59Alexalongest relationship um you met him online I met him on Tinder yeah and he was someone that I natural like just quick swiping I probably wouldn't have swiped on him to be completely honest
03:14:09Alexabut because I had to fill the calendar I was like he he was he had good banter he someone looks wise good-looking guy but just not my typical type and we we clicked and when I met him I said I I
03:14:22Alexareally like this guy see I could see myself potentially marrying this guy and so I canceled all the dates that I had after him cuz I was like I really want to see if this could go somewhere and then 3 and a half years later um he
03:14:34Alexaended up cheating on me and not being the gr guy he was great in the beginning not great in the end that's totally fine blessing and aeson that's fine um and then when once I broke up with him I was like oh might as well keep it going and
03:14:46Alexathen I went on nine dates and then I met my second serious relationship and we were together for about a year and the joke I make is he got deported but he's from Norway so it's
03:14:57Brian Atlasnot typical deportation um not the deportation that might think about yes exactly um and then he was sent away and then you
03:15:07Brian Atlasresumed the day to day wait did you do any did you do multiple dates a day I did one one day I had I was invited to two different yeah and it was it was one of
03:15:19Alexathose things like it was not was it like exciting or did you feel bored with it um it was more work than anything cuz it's but again it was like I wouldn't go on dates with people I didn't see a possible future with but it was also
03:15:31Alexalike okay let's I have to like their profile they have to say something nice and like I don't I'm not a hookup girl that's just not for some people that's their thing that's not me and when I went on the these dat it's like once you
03:15:44Alexait's almost the thing of like when you meet someone you actually do click you're like oh wait wow you're a really great guy I really want to see where this can go and I want to put my all my energy into you was there one particular
03:15:55Alexadate that you felt like was like good or bad we really bad oh so many oh gosh no there was one one guy he he truly was a misogynist like I hate throwing that
03:16:07Alexaword around but he just kept talking about how like women don't respect him enough and how all of them should be bowing to his feet and he was saying like he was explaining to the dates he went on earlier in the week and he's
03:16:19Alexalike no one was like pretty enough but I guess you're up to my standards he says he guess he goes I approve of what you're wearing oh and I was like oh I'm glad we love that I also a guy like one time was like who but it it why is it
03:16:31Brian Atlasmisogynistic for a man to not approve of what a woman is wearing but women are very critical of men's fashion like women constant about how men like have no
03:16:42Kylastyle and they don't dress well and you guys are judging like our bodies and like so do you guys I feel like Alexa's been like nothing but nuanced and so I suspect if she's willing to say like he's misogynistic there's probably
03:16:54Alexasomething more than just like he told this is a great he goes well I'm here most girls are here you're kind of like here and I was just like and there will
03:17:06Alexanot be another and woman should bow at my feet is probably pretty questionable too it was an interesting and the funny part was he went in for a kiss on the first day and I went oh
03:17:19Brian Atlasno he gr granted he sounds kind of egotistical and a bit full of himself but prideful uh okay so the and did you mention so there was the second guy and
03:17:29Alexathen how many dates did you did you I did did you finish 50 no so it was 14 then nine 12 and then and then I quit for a while and honestly like I truly
03:17:42Alexabelieve like I I think singleness is good for both men and women and and getting to know yourself and do doing that and focus on focusing on who you are and growing into being the partner that you want to be is a big thing
03:17:54Nalathat's it honestly that's literally it like how am I supposed to explain myself to you if I don't know myself everyone has for Reas I think the biggest issue is a lot
03:18:05Alexaof people go into relationships expecting that person to fix them or to fulfill them and you have to be or keep them busy feel like people yeah like I'm bored you're lonely or bored yeah like I
03:18:16Brian Atlasdo so many things alone like oh yeah I travel alone all the time all the time so to address your whole 50 dates 50 men and we kind of we won't Linger on it too long because we kind of talked about last show I think you know my thoughts
03:18:28Brian Atlason it if I were if I were to go on a date with a girl and she told she were to disclose to me that she was doing this and that she had seven dates planned ahead of me uh I would end the
03:18:40Brian Atlasdate right there and be like enjoy the rest of your dates because that's right but she did say she did say that when she found that guy she was
03:18:52Brian Atlaslike okay I canceled the rest of the dates yeah right but how do you feel about that look it's great that she it sounds like it at the end of the day it worked for her granted the three men she
03:19:02Brian Atlasdid find it didn't end up working but I would say that there there is a decent cohort of men when if if they find out that you have a date planned for after
03:19:14Kylathem or you have a date you have seven dates lined up that's immediately like I'm thinking yeah goodbye can I ask you a question sure um do you feel the same
03:19:26Kylalike Andrew Tate gives us advice as like dating Strat for men to like intentionally try to line up a couple of girls typically on the same night he like cuz he's like all about maximum Efficiency do you feel do you have like the same feeling of like that's really not okay like if you're dating for
03:19:40Kylaintention why are you like lining up people it's not so much whether it's okay or not it's more so um if your name was Brianna would that be like a big no for you if you went on a date with
03:19:51Brian AtlasAndrew and he had like somebody booked after you it's not so much whether it's okay or not I mean if some guys might go on a date with her and not they might be dating going on multiple dates themselves they might not object to it
03:20:03Brian Atlasbut I mean in your specific in your specific example I think if if women would object to dating a man who has date right after them or lined up dates I have no issue
03:20:15Brian Atlaswith women having the standard of if you're seeing that many men then I wouldn't want to pursue I wouldn't want to pursue you it's not worth my time you seem like you're just kind of playing the field whatever it is um but isn't
03:20:25Andrew Wilsonthere kind of a difference though so in the the case of a man if he's going out on 50 different dates with 50 different women that actually seems like it might
03:20:36Andrew Wilsonbe a pretty good strategy to try to find a woman there's women the standard is upheld differently maybe it should be because you kind of think well maybe she's easier maybe
03:20:46Andrew Wilsonshe's you know kind of this type of thing whereas when it comes to men I don't think that that even gives that appearance necessarily because men aren't the well men aren't The Gatekeepers of sex women are I mean I
03:20:59Edencertain men get like I'm sure we've all cuz like guys talk about how like men have to earn to be able to have sex but then it's like every girl has a story or has friends with a story of dating a broke loser so it's kind of like if a
03:21:11Edenman has a certain amount of he could be the gatekeeper of sex there's sometimes they really they really can't be so most most single men
03:21:22Salemif it's like um available to them yeah will take it that's what I said I there's this thing where I heard and it was a woman will who she wants and
03:21:33Kylaa man will who he can sure the issue is like we keep talking about women sleeping with unver virtuous men and so it's like I don't care if you're a guy who can get on one date or 50 wouldn't a virtuous man if we're like
03:21:45Kylacaring about this even if he has the capacity to get 50 dates wouldn't he still elect to just go for one because good men should also be vetting the women I'm not sure about maybe in the same day but what's the lack of virtue
03:21:56Kylahere if they're just going on have sexual discipline would agree but I would say it's the same for the woman I don't think it's obvious to me especially if she's not sleeping with them right she just going on a first I don't know how that's unless she's like only going on dates to get like free
03:22:09Unknownfood or something like that which I think some girl do also clar I did not get at least half of these dates I paid for one guy made me pay for half of his meal and I didn't even eat I was so mad I mean he went dut now had to pay for
03:22:21Kylahis meal the issue is like what what's unethical here isn't the women going on multiple dates is her like um doing sleazy around it you know um trying to get free food from him so it's it's a lie right she's lying to him she's
03:22:33Kylasaying I'm interested in going on a date she's actually just trying to like basically get some of his money and get a free meal which is bad right lying is bad I would assume I don't think either either one is like unethical but I could understand the discomfort with it
03:22:45Pixiepersonally cuz it's like oh if I'm going on a date I just want to like enjoy my time with that person and I feel like if the person's telling me like I have seven or nine dates lined up now that puts a weird pressure on me that makes
03:22:56Pixieme just want to retract and be like you know what like have fun on your SW yeah but mention this yeah a lot of pressure if the woman goes on 50 dates though and she can probably stop and say okay I'd
03:23:09Kylalike to continue to date you and whoever that guy is probably agree to do that that's not going to necessarily be the same way the other direction that's the problem I agree but that's because I think men and women actually vet differently so it's kind of like have you ever heard this saying it's uh easy
03:23:22Kylato get a guy to agree to be your boyfriend and impossible to get him to agree to be your husband I think never heard that I agree though there's always this Trope of like men will date you but they won't marry you right and I think there's complicating factors of why men
03:23:34Kylawon't marry you but I think a lot of men will kind of take what they can get because in large part they vet the woman in the relationship itself I think a lot more men will walk away from their girlfriend than they will from like a random date because men do have to like
03:23:46Kylathrow their net really wide but women have to vet in a different way women have to vet by like having a really narrow uh net it's in the case of Alexa she's going on 50 dates especially in the case you're not sleeping with them you're not like kissing a lot of them in
03:23:59Kylathis case she's just maximizing vetting people cuz vetting people over go horrible dating apps is the worst experience ever so it's just like different strategies in vetting I don't think one's inherently more like pernicious than the other unless they're
03:24:11Edendoing pernicious things on top of it if anything it's worse than the man does it if we're talking about sleeping with all of them because men tend to lack sexual discipline in a way more likely to do it and that's another thing too I feel like we act like well men are just going to take what they get so that sexual
03:24:24Andrew Wilsondiscipline like that's a virtue for a Man Too to be able to you know hold himself to a standard and not sleep listen it's virtuous for men to hold themselves to virtuous standards and that includes you know backing away from sexual intercourse with random women and
03:24:37Andrew Wilsondoing you know that type of thing I agree that that's true I'm just saying that women in that situ situation they have the control apparatus okay they always have the control apparatus except
03:24:47Andrew Wilsonin maybe like super exceptional cases where the guy is a fing millionaire rockar or something like this ESS women are going to be the determin Andrew
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03:25:11Brian AtlasAndrews and dreas okay no Andrew is like the most common name I lost my virginity to an Andrew oh my wow wow is Andrew's only like only I
03:25:23Brian Atlashave I have a question for for you here to um you were on the show previously I should have brought this up honestly during the introductions um our our big
03:25:33Brian Atlasdisagreement for like 50 minutes on the show M was uh and that we so I asked you generally speaking are men more
03:25:43Brian Atlasphysically strong than women and there was a long back and forth I've wanted to just ask the question once more are men stronger than women I've been doing a lot of thinking about this about the
03:25:55Caitlynconversation what I would say if it came up again and I want to say how are we quantifying strength cuz we can't there's a variety hold on physically stronger that's it explosive well how do you quantify explosive power grip
03:26:09Brian Atlasstrength is like one of the best ways to quantify brought up the grip strength study and she did not what did you say I think you said well grip strength is only one metric of strength strength is like one of the most important measures of strength and it correlates because
03:26:23Brian Atlaslike there's this weird thing where basically this is why powerlifters will like get like butt plugs and like before I have you get I'd like you to at least State your position before people respond to you so and I and I I ConEd
03:26:35Brian Atlaslast time as well um you didn't really but so what you said you've done research and you haven't found what I've done sorry well we kind of interrupted you but you were making a
03:26:47Caitlynpoint of you you were thinking about it doing some research and like what are you me I wasn't really I haven't done uh research I've just been thinking about the responses having conversations with
03:26:59Caitlynpeople so like one thought that I had that I've been having is you know how how can we quantify strength and you know and what situations cuz I remember you brought up the or somebody had brought up the situation with the roommates and defending who would I want
03:27:11Andrew Wilsonto defend me I would want the strongest person to defend me yeah well I have a way that you could maybe cuz I was thinking about this too here's maybe a good way you can quantify it when you're
03:27:21Andrew Wilsonwalking around in your daily life who do you see lift up more heavy stuff men or women usually who's lifting up the heavier
03:27:32Andrew Wilsonstuff do include heavy people yeah I'm a dancer so I see you know women includes everything everything that could ever be in existence who's picking up the heavier stuff usually who's carrying the couches who's
03:27:44Andrew Wilsonloading the trucks who's un you know who's doing all that stuff that you see have have you ever had any movers no um actually the my response to that is both because my my stepdad will
03:27:57Caitlynusually be one of the ones moving stuff and then he will recruit my younger sister who is super heavy in the gym and all that over another your stepdad stronger than your sister I would I don't know they're about equal she
03:28:10Brian Atlasprobably works out more than him but he's a police officer so that's also the argument though is she has to work out so much hard before hold on no no no but but I I want you to F because we've kind of interrupted you a little bit so you
03:28:23Brian Atlassaid that you've been having conversations with people and what have you arri have you arrived at anything what do you have any further thoughts how do you
03:28:33Caitlynquantify strength continue um so I think there's a lot of different ways that we can quantify strength and there's no pH strength physical strength yes um and I
03:28:44Caitlyndon't think there's like you were saying it's one of grip strength is one of the best ways to be able to tell you know how overall strong someone might be and I think that's a good point and I think
03:28:57Caitlynthat's worth considering but I don't think it's like the one all be all cuz what would that be I don't know so they're or unless somebody can tell me CU like yeah so so do you when you look
03:29:08Andrew Wilsonat men and women in society do you see that men are bigger than women taller bigger yes the average height of a American man is 5'8 the that means that
03:29:19Andrew Wilsonthey got a bigger skeleton like denser bones no just like a bigger muscular SK going to develop different yes necessarily they have a bigger skeleton and a bigger skeleton
03:29:31Andrew Wilsoncan do what if they have a bigger skeleton you can do what with it I guess hold more things I don't know harness more leverage okay okay that makes sense and you can also have larger amounts of
03:29:44Andrew Wilsonbody mass around a larger skeleton right so the thing the thing is is if the capacity is there for the thing that's bigger versus the thing that's not as big which one would you judge as being
03:29:55Andrew Wilsongenerally stronger than the other like if you saw a kitty cat versus a lion which thing would you think was
03:30:05Andrew WilsonStronger the lion why hold on cuz it's cuz the lion has it's bigger Lots bigger right although
03:30:17Kylato be fair really big powerlifters actually carry less weight per poundage for their own body because leverage does create like fulcrum points that are bad which is why women in powerlifting are kind of insane they don't lift the
03:30:28Andrew Wilsonheaviest weight but they lift pound forp pound especially in legs they're starting to like come close to men I I feel like you just went over with a big bag of dirt and poured it right into the water and now there's nothing but mud
03:30:40Kylawalk on I'm going to stir the pot obviously men are on average Stronger by like obvious I just I like the kitty cat and the lion and you really just kind wreck that for but but before before we
03:30:52Brian Atlasinterrupt her I'd like to give her an opportunity to actually like finish your full full thought go ahead Mr interruptor over here just go ahead just go ahead so bad okay got to get myself
03:31:03Brian Atlasback on track okay what was the final point that I so you were you said you were Consulting with people with various expert S I assume and my mommy your mom but you were having conversations so
03:31:16Brian Atlaswhat with scientists and and it sounded like you rejected we showed you that grip strength study you rejected that because while you might acknowledge that it's a
03:31:28Brian Atlasfactor in strength it might not be the ultimate test or indicator that would determine who might uh comparatively who might be stronger men or women so um what
03:31:39Caitlynelse um I think it ALS also depends on like how much protectiveness somebody feels over the person that they might be defending or themselves how much adrenaline I guess is pumping maybe not
03:31:50Brian Atlaslike literally how much adrenaline but like how crazy they are maybe in in the adrenaline example wouldn't you have to compare uh an adrenalized man to an
03:32:01Brian Atlasadrenalized woman so if we just compared both of them in an adrenalized state in an adrenalized state who's stronger men or women so it would have it would have to consider the
03:32:13Brian Atlasadrenaline and I feel like more I'm almost curious if I'd be curious to see studies if men produce more adrenaline I don't know but I'd be curious if men produce more adrenaline in sort of
03:32:24Nalaflight tolight situations but that's of course they do I don't maybe if there's a mom wouldn't she produce more adrenaline if she felt like her her kid was in danger
03:32:36Caitlynexactly but so so go ahead go ahead continue I'm now I'm interrupting I AP go ahead the fact that you brought up the mom situation wanted like was another point that I was considering I know that my mom would be able to defend
03:32:48Brian Atlasme so much better than my bi either my biological okay but the sure but the question the original question that this kind of stemmed from was are men
03:32:58Caitlynstronger than women physically just on average that's it just on average and if we're taking I think it would just be so hard to find an average I think is what the
03:33:08Caitlynconclusion that I might have somewhat come to last time but like I wanted to verbalize it better if I got the opportunity wanted to verbalize it better if I see the
03:33:19Caitlynnumbers and we're taking each individual man and each individual woman and there's a list of the ones that are strong I guess
03:33:31Caitlynlike and like I said it's so hard to quantify these things so like who is stronger men or women does anybody understand what I'm saying no I have no idea I mean literally have no clue obviously men can be like domestic
03:33:44Edenviolence victims for example I feel like usually like a big reason in why fine why women like tend to be like you know more not trying to say that it doesn't happen to men because I'm sure there you know men getting roughed
03:33:57Edenaround by it's cuz like you know like usually it's harder for us to fight back because we're like weaker that's not really related to the conversation saying the sense of I feel like when we're talking about saying that women can beat up men yes they can yeah but no that's not what I was saying I was
03:34:09Edensaying the reason that Maj like majority of the case I would say are usually the woman is the victim is because if if the strength is more half half wouldn't we fight back in those situations more often well that it's a and our adrenaline's up too and our adrenaline
03:34:21Edenup yeah exactly and usually when a girl is a victim of TV they end up beat up not fighting back and having you know three rounds and just like doing MMA fighting like usually the woman is the
03:34:33Brian Atlasone who you know okay um do you want to continue with your point I think just just the main point that I want to that is important for me to say is the ability
03:34:45Caitlynto quantify these things the strength and then the comparison of the strengths between an entirety you know 8 billion people we have 4 billion men approximately and 4 billion women
03:34:55SPEAKER_00approximately I think it would be crazy to even try beaten cheeks donated $200 Andrew please cook them into going
03:35:07SPEAKER_00back to the easiest class in elementary school about physical strength between boys and girls P I'm getting Dumber listening to the libs than watching monkeys work okay first of all this is not a Libs talking going okay I've been
03:35:20Kylavery explicitly clear as a progressive lib that I would disagree with this obviously men are normatively more strong just like obviously obviously obviously obviously obviously I think that's only not true in hyenas but it's CU female hyenas have a shitload of
03:35:32Brian Atlastestosterone which is like there is some set of feminist though I and I'm I'm not trying to like straw man feminist or whatever but there is some like deranged feminist that like I don't know if
03:35:42Brian Atlasyou're familiar with this Anita sarkeesian this is like way back she made a whole yeah whole tropes versus video games or something uh she claimed that it's a Trope that men are
03:35:54Brian Atlasphysically stronger I I well I don't this was a decade ago so I don't remember exactly what she said but she was essentially saying that me that that there actually is no physical strength a
03:36:05Kylalot of like cringy third wave feminists were just obsessed with women being men um but the fourth most fourth W feminists for example would fully reject this but continue all right that it actually makes sense because it it would
03:36:17Andrew Wilsongo against the oppressive narrative if they said suddenly that women were stronger than men they couldn't say that men oppressed them so that kind of counter countered to feminism so I I let
03:36:30Brian Atlasme just ask the question are men physically stronger than
03:36:38Pixiewomen you have went over this I have a hard time is there be is trying to be good faith here like is there just some Metric of strength that you think women
03:36:50Pixieare better on or something and that's why you're having a hard time say or like what metric is giving you hesitancy is there a sport that you think like women would is it just the gym is there
03:37:00Kylapain tolerance pain tolerance is a good point sport sport would go with that my I'm just saying this SL met so like super endurance running for example women are to compete at equal levels and slightly more specifically because of
03:37:13Kylalike body fat composition and like water amounts that like and pain tolerance that like women are starting to slightly out compete men on like super marathons Nick can you pull up boys vers men or sorry Boys versus women.com we already
03:37:24Brian Atlaswe already looked at it we'll look at it for 10 seconds and then uh High School boys high school boys if you put them in the US if you put them against gold uh medalists in the
03:37:37Brian AtlasOlympics and this is not just in the US this is AC like like the highest level of achievement in women's sports so hold on let me read this Nick scroll up uh male high school athletes so I'm assuming this is us male high school
03:37:50Brian Atlasathletes versus female Olympians so this isn't just us female Olympians this is all Olympians from the entire entire world every single country if boys high school boys win against the fastest
03:38:02Brian Atlaswomen is it fair for males well that's okay that's another conversation uh so if you allowed High School boys to compete against female
03:38:12Brian AtlasOlympians the boys would steal all those medals from the women so just scroll down just a bit we won't see the whole thing but um track and field 2016 High School boys versus 2016 Olympic women's
03:38:25Brian Atlasfinalist scroll down to bit neck so this is for the 100 meter no no no up up up up up and it's going to Resort so those are high school boys who would outperform the Olympian women scroll
03:38:38Brian Atlasdown just a tad we'll just look at one more and we won't linger um this is 400 m 800 M and it's going to Resort
03:38:46Brian Atlashere okay so um High School boys who certainly are I assume are not even at their athletic Peak are out competing
03:38:57Brian Atlasfemale Olympians just just us High School boys are out competing all the women in the world at who are at the peak of within their gender okay must be
03:39:08Brian Atlassteroids so how can you explain that high school boys are out competing women if not for having more strength for
03:39:19Brian Atlasexample or fast twitch I mean these are races so that's probably more related to like your fast twitch muscle fibers and stuff explosive power yeah okay but you know what related to that Nick can you
03:39:29Kylapull up photos of male sprinters versus female sprinters just to see what their bodies look like I should look at the there's a video of a female Sprinter like P alongside a male Sprinter video
03:39:41Kylait's really it's probably the I used to actually agree with you and then my husband when we were just starting a date just showed me like Serena Williams being like I would never and then the like uh US soccer team of women
03:39:53Andrew WilsonOlympians losing to like the U6 boys team and I was like okay yeah this is just like brain and it was bad like they lost scorched it was scorched it wasn't even close yeah yeah um they were
03:40:05Caitlynlaughing at himing it was pretty funny okay so the way that I'm looking at strength is less in sports and stuff and more like physical combat and stuff
03:40:16Kylaum like okay what about like Navy Seals there are like hardly ever any I don't even know there women Navy Seals that women would never compete in a male fighting sport ever they would get in
03:40:28Kylafact this is like part of the the the trans athlete conversation is that like trans athletes even after doing a whole bunch of stuff to like make them like their tea and stuff similar to CIS women all the CIS women that have fought them and like they punch like nothing I've ever experience
03:40:40Brian Atlastrck face I almost wonder if you don't want to concede this because then it would because perhaps you have a corresponding position on the trans people in sports thing and if you were to concede that men are physically
03:40:51Brian Atlasstronger than women or males are stronger than females then you then must concede that we should not have trans women in women's sports is that what this stems from um I don't think so I
03:41:04Caitlynthink it's more just to do with my personal experience with my mother and like her like I know she could whoop anybody's ass like my dad no your mother could not whoop anybody's ass you think
03:41:15Brian Atlasshe could beat up Joe Rogan my Tyson I don't know if she was angry enough no that's not your your degree your degree of anger does not dictate your ability
03:41:26Brian Atlasto beat someone in a fight who is say two times as strong as you and two who weighs twice as much as you and who's a foot taller than you in a fist fight let
03:41:37Brian Atlasme ask here can we pull up and talking about professional fist fight profession pull up a pull up a photo of
03:41:46Brian AtlasBrock Lesnar so your mom how tall is your mom she's 5 foot she's how tall 5 foot 5 foot um okay she's 5 foot Nick you got the
03:41:58Caitlynphotos Nick she's gonna be so happy I Brock Lesnar
03:42:07Alexaimage also not saying women can't be badass but yeah we have to work wait before you pull it up before you pull it up your mom could beat up anybody I'm pretty confident she could
03:42:20Caitlynbeat up a lot of people I don't know about anybody anybody but I'm going to confident what percentage of men could your mom beat up at 5'4 do you think at 5 foot she's 5 excuse 4 Shor than you
03:42:33Brian Atlasare aware that the average male height is like 5'9 5'10 I believe last time I checked it was 5'8 yeah depends I depends what country but the US in any
03:42:44Caitlyncase so what percentage of men in the US do you think that your mom could beat up how much did she weigh too by the way um right now she's at she's going to be
03:42:56Caitlynuncomfortable with me talking about this I think like your 5 foot mother's going to be uncomfortable about you talking about her beating up men no about her weight
03:43:06Brian Atlasher weight okay I guess yes it's rude to ask a woman's age and weight um how what percentage of men do you think your mom could beat up my guess would probably be
03:43:17Brian Atlasfist fight no like hidden weapons or any Teeth nails anything to the anything you could she can use fighting dirty I think
03:43:26Caitlynapproxim the man can fight dirty too yeah Approximately 80% holy
03:43:32Alexayou're have you ever seen a fist you are delusional dear have you ever been trained in any sort of MMA that's the first question oh my
03:43:44Brian AtlasGod not even just like karate to be lethal like okay do you have the Brock Lesnar clip so before you pull it up oh well that wait just the first one do the first one the Wikipedia
03:43:57Brian Atlasthe first one the first one did your mom beat him up um so Brock Lesnar I think he's like well over 6 feet he's probably
03:44:04Caitlynover 200 lb um damn could your mom beat him up you said he's six feet forget just just based off say anyone though no no but that's fine but I'm asking could
03:44:16Brian Atlasyour M 20% huh he could be in the 20% that she can't beat up what if no no no could she could probably do it yeah forget his height forget his height
03:44:26Brian Atlaslet's say this is 5 foot Brock Lesnar this is his could your mom beat up Brock Lesnar UFC she might she might be able to okay oh my God you're delusional you
03:44:37Kikiare I'm sorry but there there's no other way to say this you think your mom could beat up out of 4 billion men 80% of them no we said in the US we did say in the US 300 million we have 150 let's say 100
03:44:49Kylamillion men I bet you your mom could Pat up like a guy who was like a paraplegic and was like 80 and like maybe a bit more but like this is where like God theory of violence is really important
03:45:02Kylaand our society has the worst and women have a way worse theory of violence than men cuz every man knows that he is not taking on a 62 even if he's 5'8 right like no shot because it's like going
03:45:13Edenyour mom is going into a sword fight with a little dagger like the reach alone is so dangerous like no it's going into a night no it's it's worse so much worse she might not be able to even reach his head to punch him in the head
03:45:26Andrew Wilsonright and this is why like Brock Lesnar is an F16 and your mom is a needle that's that's the distinct that's the difference literally that that would be the distinction and I feel like if we
03:45:38Edencould like have even fight like feminists wouldn't be like you know arguing things probably just fight back against men just beat them all up what is the logic can you
03:45:49Brian Atlasthat what oh this way oh no yeah okay Sor sorry that was my OCD
03:45:58Nalaum what is the I want to ask the whole table here not to not to like because I fight I fight I
03:46:09Nalahave senses that will slap me in the face it doesn't matter how much I'm like yeah I got this I'm a yeah I'm just mad like let's just go man
03:46:19Kikipeople will put me in my place so fast like it's not funny like a let's say like a probably beat up 80% sense she'll probably beat up both my sense who have
03:46:29Brian Atlasyears of experience I have a I have a uh a question so so okay um in and know ju did you say you do
03:46:40Brian Atlasjiujitsu I do yeah like grappling so I I've heard this like a a male blue belt and by the way belts and like it takes a long time to get belts years Jiu-Jitsu
03:46:50Brian Atlasit's a lot longer than so in Jiu-Jitsu my understanding is like a male same weight a male blue belt is going to tap
03:46:59Nalaa female black belt period it has a lot to do with weight weight is what's keep down I would argue even like same weight like a male look maybe uh also I
03:47:12Brian Atlaswrestled I did wrestling in high school we had women on the team um and uh typically like the women when they went to the tournaments like
03:47:21Andrew Wilsonthey typically more often than not they lost okay um by the way can can I just yeah instruct my team and my audience who are watching this to begin the meme
03:47:32Brian Atlasgeneration of my mom can beat up Brock Lesnar do it immediately as fast as you possibly can I don't understand why I think I think here's the thing it
03:47:43Brian Atlasshould be like you had to like calculate whether like what if the adrenaline it's like it should be an in many factors there's no factors you see you
03:47:54Brian Atlassee a photo of Brock Lesnar you know that your mom is 5 feet you ought it should be instantaneous n she he could kill her and but it also depends on how
03:48:04Caitlynsmart they are and how quick they are like a trained like even if he wasn't he was a UFC champion sit on her and be done like let's be
03:48:15Caitlynreal does even have experience you can stay honor but but you said it it comes down to intelligence not it doesn't come down to but I think that's another Factor like if you're quick on your feet and if you
03:48:26Brian Atlasknow fighting skills I think that those things is your professional it can help so let let me ask you this question let's say Brock Lesnar but so Brock Lesnar granted is a UFC fighter let's
03:48:37Brian Atlasjust say he's totally untrained but in that body totally untrained male has never tooken a boxing class hasn't even done like Tai bow nothing he
03:48:49Brian Atlasjust goes to the gym and he attained that bill just goes to the gym zero fight training your mom at 5T she is the
03:48:57Brian Atlaspound-for-pound best MMA fighter in the world does your mom still beat in a
03:49:05Caitlynfight does she beat beat up Brock Lesnar I there's probably a 85 to 99 90% probability that she could some girl math here this is girl math right here
03:49:16Pixie85 to 90% I am I am super ignorant so this is a genuine question cuz I've read some stuff about certain um what is it and this is not to defend it's just out of curiosity cuz I know you do martial
03:49:27Pixiearts like certain martial arts um if you get really well trained you can use opponent's like own like body or like physical for them there's also so many other things like pressure points and
03:49:38Nalastuff but you they'd have to be in that position at that moment to do that and also not like the case all the time also by the way men can be so physically overpoweringly strong that it doesn't
03:49:52Andrew Wilsonmatter where you get them with the leverage it doesn't matter any of that they don't even move that guy pound-for-pound can take on aing Bear right I think this is actually just one thing
03:50:03SPEAKER_00$200 is she confused about who can win a fight when arguing cuz this chick doesn't know when to tap on maybe her mom doesn't either stop hitting her she's brain
03:50:15Kyladead um I guess this is like a really big safety thing too this is why I fight really hard against feminists who say this any girl who's like dating a boy ask him to try to like just bear hug you like physically like don't get them to