Broke Men Should NOT Date?! She HATES America?! Husband CRASHES Show! | Dating Talk #121
Date: 2023-11-27
Duration: 7h 17m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Kenderly Ryan(guest)
SPEAKER_03Abigail(guest)
SPEAKER_04Carla Elia (overlap)(guest)
SPEAKER_05Carla Elia(guest)
SPEAKER_06Monica (Swedish Bella)(guest)
SPEAKER_07Anna(guest)
SPEAKER_10Gloria Calderone(guest)
SPEAKER_11Mason Gregoire(guest)
SPEAKER_12Dustin (Carla's husband)(guest)
SPEAKER_13Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_14Holly Treats(guest)
Key Moments
00:02:39
QuoteHolly Treats introduces herself as full-time content creator since 2015 including OnlyFans
“hi my name is Holly treats I'm 28 years old and I live in Los Angeles and I've been a full-time content creator since 2015”
00:03:02
QuoteCarla Elia introduces herself as relationship coach who went viral for controversial stance
“hello my name is Carla Eli I'm 23 years old and I'm a relationship coach and I live in San Diego”
00:03:38
QuoteKenderly Ryan introduces herself as adult film star of 14 years who now manages performers
“I'm kenderly Ryan um I am 32 years old I am from Los Angeles California and I I'm an adult film star of 14 years and I also now started managing lovely women”
01:45:10
QuoteMonica reveals her open marriage is only open for pegging
“the thing is he's not into it right into what the pegging part um wait is it you guys got an open marriage yes only for pegging”
03:59:00
ControversyKenderly's tweets read on air: 'white people don't have culture' and 'it's not racist for black women to humiliate white men'; she stands by both
“I still stand by that very strongly. It's not racist for black women to humiliate white men. That's how I feel. It's called reparations for your ancestors.”
04:48:12
QuoteHolly refuses to share body count saying she 'never reveals her secrets'
“Holly treats I've got I put a lot out there so there's plenty of find other than body count you should put a little more out there”
04:49:30
QuoteKenderly declines to give body count number but gives range: ~50 professional scenes + 50-100 private partners, sexually active since age 13
“I've done about 50 scenes and I've had about 50 to 100 private Partners okay I became sexually active at 13”
04:52:12
QuoteAbigail shares body count of ~14 and expresses regret about not respecting herself
“it's 28 I used to not have very good respect for myself when I was younger and I wish I would have gone back in Ma and hold my younger self respect yourself”
04:58:00
QuoteMonica shares body count of 25-30 and reveals it stemmed from seeking validation due to abusive mother
“probably between 25 and 30 like I'm 40 but also I was in a bad place when most of that happened I my mom was super abusive so I just tried to find love wherever I could”
04:59:00
QuoteKenderly says body count 8 then laughs it off
“eight I'm not so interesting okay”
04:59:42
QuoteMason (SPEAKER_11) reveals body count of zero as a 27-year-old virgin
“Mason oh yeah uh zero Z zero Z hand Z Henderson okay good for you”
05:05:06
QuoteCarla rates herself as 'average' to be relatable to her followers
“I was going to say that I was average too I think I'm I'm an average and just because if I'm average and I can get this life that I have then all the other ladies can have the same thing”
05:11:42
QuoteCarla states her position on broke men: absolute — broke men at 30+ should not be dating
“absolutely broke men like financially and mentally sure... if you're 31 40 and you're still broke there's something wrong with you”
05:14:42
QuoteCarla reveals she was a virgin before marriage, which explains her high standards stance
“she was a virgin before she met her husband so I think that's why they said it because they paid attention that she was a virgin before”
05:59:36
QuoteDustin (Carla's husband) introduces himself: ex-Navy, 25, aspiring police officer
“so tell us a little bit about yourself Dustin... I'm uh 25 uh just recently got out of the military... I've been in the process for going on to the police force for about a year now uh should be going in in January”
06:07:48
QuoteDustin describes household dynamic diplomatically when asked if he's under a dictatorship
“I do not think I'm under a dictatorship I I run my household okay uh she just makes the food and uh points me in the right direction”
06:10:30
QuoteDustin describes realizing Carla was different when she refused to hold his hand on first date
“I knew I knew this was a different breed of woman”
Topics Discussed
00:00:22
Introductions and relationship statuses
Guests introduce themselves: Holly Treats (28, LA, content creator/OnlyFans since 2015), Carla Elia (23, San Diego, relationship coach, viral for 'broke men' stance), Kenderly Ryan (32, LA, adult film star 14 years/manager), Abigail (22, Missouri, personal trainer), Monica Swedish Bella (40, Sweden/LA, bikini competitor/OnlyFans/former teacher), Anna (26, Ukraine, 4 years in USA, actress/ecommerce), Gloria Calderone (31, New York, real estate investor), Mason Gregoire (27, mech engineer/powerlifter/Christian). Relationship status round follows.
00:06:26
Relationship status and dating styles round
Holly: single, dating 3 men (2 long distance), recently had someone fall off her roster. Carla: married 1.5 years, virgin before marriage. Kenderly: single 5-6 months, female FWB situationship, also sleeping with 2 men currently. Abigail: single ~1 year, sees someone 6 months (on/off). Monica: married 6 years (slid into DMs). Anna: married, met 4 years ago, married 3 months after meeting. Gloria: married within 4 months of meeting. Mason: single, virgin saving for marriage.
00:27:00
Open relationships, polyamory, and Monica's pegging arrangement
Monica reveals her marriage has an open arrangement for pegging only. Discussion of what constitutes an open marriage and emotional vs physical boundaries.
03:59:00
Kenderly's controversial tweets about white people and America
Brian reads Kenderly's tweets: 'white people don't have culture' and 'it's not racist for black women to humiliate white men'. Kenderly stands by both statements. Group debate on cultural appropriation, double standards, and whether statements are racist. Kenderly says she's half-Mexican. Monica (Polish) and others push back.
04:24:00
Body count discussion and double standards
Brian asks everyone to share body count. Holly refuses. Kenderly gives range (~50 scenes + 50-100 private, sexually active since 13). Abigail: ~14 (by graduation, mostly from 2-month phase at 16-17; regrets it). Monica: 25-30 (most from period of seeking validation due to abusive mother). Gloria: declines (husband watching). Mason: 0. Anna: declines. Debate on double standards for male vs female body count, whether men with high counts can expect low counts, and whether hookup culture is harmful.
05:03:22
Self-ratings (looks 1-10)
Ratings round. Holly: 7 average, can dress to 10. Carla: average/5 (doesn't want to say 10 to be relatable to her followers). Kenderly: 5 appearance, 10 personality. Abigail: 6. Monica: 5 (self-described). Gloria: 8. Mason: 7.5-8. Brian: 5 (gained weight, downgraded from 6).
05:08:36
Carla's viral content reviewed — 'broke men shouldn't date'
Brian reviews Carla's news articles (New York Post, The Mirror, The Sun) and multiple TikTok videos. Carla explains her position: men with provider mindset should show their resources naturally; broke men at 30+ have limiting beliefs and should focus on finances first; women are precious investments. Discussion involves all guests on whether broke men should date/marry/have children. Carla advocates being a virgin and rotational dating without intimacy.
05:46:48
OKCupid attractiveness data and male/female rating disparities
Brian shows OKCupid chart: men rate women on a bell curve while women rate 80% of men as unattractive. Discussion of why women are harsher judges of male attractiveness and how this affects dating marketplace dynamics.
05:50:00
Dating logistics: men working 60-70 hours, submission, and love languages
Discussion of whether women can handle men working very long hours for high income. Monica says she needs her man at home. Carla says women should have their own life alongside a wealthy man. Love language discussion: Monica and Anna both say acts of service/cooking are how they express love to husbands. Brian and Mason discuss appreciating wives' cooking regardless of quality.
05:59:36
Husband Dustin crashes the show
Carla's husband Dustin (ex-Navy, 25, aspiring police officer) joins the panel mid-show. Describes meeting Carla on Bumble, first coffee date (she's allergic to alcohol), spontaneous Denny's and meeting her family. He showed her his finances/credit score/savings on third date. Says 'I knew this was a different breed of woman' when she refused to hold his hand on first date. Describes household as: 'I run it, she makes the food and points me in the right direction.'
06:08:00
Rotational dating debate
Brian and Carla debate rotational dating concept. Brian prefers undivided romantic attention immediately. Carla clarifies rotational dating means spending time with multiple men without intimacy or kissing. Dustin confirms he was fine with it because Carla was clearly not being promiscuous. Monica shares she had no idea how to date after an 11-year relationship ending and found long-distance courtship via Skype valuable.
06:39:00
Protective husband video (Carla's TikTok)
Brian plays Carla's TikTok about asking a man what he would do if a fight broke out — is he the type to pull out his phone or fix it? Dustin responds to the video about himself, saying he would assess the situation for his family's safety and take video evidence for police if appropriate. Carla says knowing her husband would protect the family is the most attractive thing.
Transcript
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02:51:11
Holly Treatspeople will also factor in how are other people perceiving me yeah I think if your partner so is that the part that bothers you that they're consider ing how other people are perceiving them other than you is that the part the
02:51:21
Gloria Calderonereason why no no no it's not about other people necessarily but I think of your partners like you know makes you feel good about yourself and they're like like for example like a lot of women lose a lot of breast tissue after
02:51:34
Gloria Calderonebreastfeeding so you know boobs get saggy and like if your husband really loves you sag I'm not I'm not going to get and they'll and they'll are utilitarian they still and like they still find you attractive and they show
02:51:46
Gloria Calderoneyou that they are like so like attracted to you and turned on by you then like I think that that does help coming from the person that you're having sex with but how okay you're you're talking about your breast right
02:51:57
Brian Atlasso like here's my point I would argue unless there's like there are women who for example get uh cancer who have breast cancer bre yes but that's like
02:52:08
Brian Atlassuch a small minority scar of women who get faked tits well my sister just had it and her husband was all over her the whole time but he loves her okay so my position is is loves when it comes to
02:52:19
Brian Atlasthe plastic surgery plastic surgery I think women are beautiful as they are without the need for undergoing dangerous expensive and frankly unnecessary not medically indicated
02:52:30
Brian Atlascosmetic surgery which I honestly think at the end of the day makes women look worse so for example I'd prefer a woman with a cup or I don't know if this is the most appropriate term but if she was
02:52:41
Brian Atlasflat I would prefer that over some big giant fake titties give me a little little belly fat over lipo give me a small ass over a BBL give me a small upper lip over lip fillers basically
02:52:52
Brian Atlastake any woman with any of these procedures I prefer her however they were before I would prefer them as they were so you might have
02:53:05
Holly Treatshad I don't it's more about my relationship with myself I don't prefer it and I will say I've had guys be like oh yeah I loved you before and then when I get it done literally people I new and you know what yeah I see what you meant
02:53:17
Holly Treatsyou look eventually buckle and they're like you know what I know like CU it is we are programmed to tell people you don't need plastic surgery you do look like that is programming too you know what I mean and
02:53:28
Holly Treatsso it's like but honestly objectively speaking no prior like nothing else like people who saw me before and after like yeah it looks better like and it what
02:53:38
Holly Treatsdoes my nose and my boobs yeah yeah your nose does look better nose definitely looks better and the boobs definitely looks better also like confirmation but I I'm not saying I think for example if
02:53:50
Holly TreatsI had natural AC cups and I didn't have to deal with oh I had natural D's and now I have saggy D's in high school you know what I mean like that's really young to be having saggy boobs that's why it bothered me so much but if I just
02:54:01
Monica (Swedish Bella)had a cups or even b cups and they were just small I would have kept those I'm going to put it out I love big titties I don't have big titties I love big titties the end I don't have to justify
02:54:11
Brian Atlasto anybody yeah I love big titties I love big titties on myself I love big titties on other people I like titties the end good good congratulations that's that's cool I would just say I like to
02:54:22
Brian Atlasbuild my partner up so if my girlfriend came to me or my wife for example asked my opinion on if she should get plastic surgery I would try to do everything in
02:54:31
Brian Atlasmy power to make her feel beautiful as she is and tell her I like her just as she is um and steer her away from what
02:54:41
Brian Atlasin my view would be a wrong decision um according to you yeah but I think also we Face a lot of pressure with social media yeah and you are just one guy and
02:54:53
Carla Eliathere's a lot of different people out most if you ask most men here you have two men no I get it I get it actually that was a conversation I've been asking a lot that was a conversation my husband and I had coming up here I was like what about a mommy makeover and then we just
02:55:05
Carla Eliastarted talking about it and he's like honestly well we started talking about like before dating and like women you know are very young women getting like no surgery or like getting you know different things done to them he's like
02:55:17
Carla EliaI would feel in a way like betrayed because I'm getting you know I'm dating you or like marrying you because I think that you're going to produce those genes with our our children so he's like in that sense I would feel in a way like betrayed and I wouldn't be attracted to
02:55:30
Carla Eliathat because I want to see who you really are so that was like his Point again it's just one in like a billion people so it doesn't um but but I understand what what both what both
02:55:41
Gloria Calderonepoints are I think that at that point he also already loves you like in the moment of you going through that process but if you're like single and you like let's say like a single mother right and she's now dating again a guy's not really going to be like ooh that's hot
02:55:54
Gloria Calderoneyou know because it's not from his kid so you know I think that we all should be a little flexible with people I mean you might not like it but it do do you have fake titties do I have fake titties
02:56:05
Gloria Calderonethat's a funny question okay so I had my daughter and I breastfed for a year and a half and I had D's so I had to refill because they definitely were not sitting where they used to yeah so did you do
02:56:15
Gloria Calderonefat transfer or um no I so so I didn't want to go like I didn't want to cut skin cuz I did have like big boobs before my daughter um so I went to different surgeons and they and he told
02:56:27
Gloria Calderoneme and they told me like I had to like cut skin and go cut my aola areola and then I went to one doctor and he's like all you have to do is like you have like you have tissue you have everything you just have to refill a
02:56:39
Gloria Calderonelittle bit and I did do it and it's not something that I'm like I'm not pro um surgery and even like when I got Botox this month for the first first time I
02:56:48
Gloria Calderonetry to push off as much as I could um cuz I'm not like into it but I am going to say I do feel a lot better now that I
02:56:57
Gloria Calderonehave them um but well in that age I was young so I was in my early 20s when I got them so I did feel better now that I'm in my 30s I can't I will say like I
02:57:08
Gloria Calderoneprobably wouldn't have gotten it done just because they weren't bad it was more of just an insecurity as a young 20-year-old you know mhm
02:57:19
Kenderly RyanMason doesn't like plastic surgery what's up what you got oh sorry go ahead oh you there you go um well um it's just also another thing is in La it's like for those who are from here it's
02:57:30
Kenderly Ryanextremely hard to gear away from not getting surgery because there's so much pressure so what's the pressure the pressure uh well I grew up in Orange County so if you're from Orange County you already know that and if you're not from Orange County I will Enlighten you
02:57:43
Kenderly Ryanthree out of four women are plastic surgery done like maybe three and a half out of sounds it do it's not go check how many plastic surgeons are in Newport Beach alone failed Society it is and it
02:57:56
Gloria Calderoneis a society thing and I'm going to say like I am Latina and in our culture like everybody has the bbls and there's been time like you know I have a butt but that's because I work really hard for it
02:58:08
Gloria Calderoneand like the like boobs it's a little different cuz you can't really work out for your boobs but right now like especially like men just kind of get like sucked into like these like big butts and like whatever so women tend to
02:58:21
Brian Atlasget that I I'm talking about like our culture a it's not men it's not men that are pressuring women to getting plastic surgery it's other women that are
02:58:32
Brian Atlaspressuring women to get plastic surgery most men if you honestly ask most men they don't want women they they don't want women with plastic surgery when it
02:58:42
Brian Atlascomes to the BBL that thing looks terrible I have never seen never seen good BBL first off you got to work for that you got you want a
02:58:54
Monica (Swedish Bella)good you got to work for it work for the I have to say personally like I've always liked you got to BBL no should I be honest yes I got it not a fan so I
02:59:04
Monica (Swedish Bella)got BBL in general so I got it my first time it was the worst surgery I've done for myself that's why it was horrendous
02:59:13
Brian Atlasit was horrible never ever life how old were you when you got in uh 31 okay I no 30 and we should do we should stand up
02:59:24
Brian Atlasas men and say we don't like we don't like bbls we we need to protect our women we need to protect our women from these dangerous and unnecessary surgeries and we need to tell them no
02:59:37
Brian Atlasyou're beautiful as you are and also labioplasty I'm very much against labioplasty that's my big one not you a lipo like a guy that Li lips I
02:59:48
Holly Treatslike large you like big lips you cannot lie I like look this oh finally found it is that a thing oh my God I did not corn we can't see the I'm naturally not very
03:00:00
Holly TreatsLippy but one of my one of the guys on cam like enlight me because he was like you have boring and I was like that is the mentality of guys that like big lips
03:00:10
Brian Atlasis that they think that not big lips are boring yeah and that was no it's not no listen Ines are cool too I like in don't get me wrong by the way #blm big labia
03:00:21
Brian Atlasmatter um that's my nonprofit organization listen I I it's unfortunate because I've definitely encountered a lot of women that feel self-conscious and insecure about their about
03:00:31
Brian Atlastheir labia and I am I'm at the Forefront of this movement I want I don't want women chopping up their because I like
03:00:44
Monica (Swedish Bella)larg you feel you got the NY you got a NY I I I have a I have my now that I lost weight it's I have a lab like it's
03:00:54
Monica (Swedish Bella)hanging down now yeah I was but I feel insecure but I would never ever would never do anything to my she doesn't know
03:01:04
Holly Treatsyou know you know the heck is an Audi like a belly button no no no no the vagina it's the kind of it's your inner vagina so it's the the the la can I show her a photo it's not mine but can
03:01:17
Monica (Swedish Bella)I just show her sandwich one I don't know I was just going to Google okay just make sure the camera can't see yeah I have a privacy screen yeah okay okay uh yeah you can but I totally agree I would never ever operate on my vagina a lot of women do feel insecure about that
03:01:30
Gloria Calderoneyou know a lot of men would make a woman like that feel insecure I don't think the soltion true and it's wrong it's wrong but that's what men do you know and that's why women get so insecure sometimes so I don't think the
03:01:40
Mason Gregoirelonglasting solution to are you guys gay a woman's mental health is immediately cutting stuff off or adding attributes like if we have such a mental health
03:01:50
Mason Gregoirecrisis and specifically women who are above the age of 40 abuse anti-depressants more than anybody it's horrible so why are we trying to prescribe people changing their bodies
03:02:02
Mason Gregoireadding things taking things away why is there such a focus on instant gratification where maybe you should just accept the the accept yourself the
03:02:12
Mason Gregoireway you are or work on things that you can change so let's go to the gym maybe we should lose some weight there are things you can
03:02:22
Gloria Calderonedo but what about the boot part like if you're a mom or like the skin part so what about SK what about the skin like if you if you Google it like some women
03:02:33
Gloria Calderonecome like they have like such like saggy skin after pregnancy because they just have really bad skin and it's really hard for women to like you know live like that for the rest of her life so
03:02:43
Mason GregoireI'm not completely opposed to it okay so if it's if it's inhibiting have to Google but okay if we're going to play this thought experiment so if my wife is having discomfort or it is like a
03:02:54
Mason Gregoirenuisance for this thing for this extra skin to be there okay let's talk about this maybe there maybe we can make that change but generally speaking I am going to want to support my wife I'm going to
03:03:06
Mason Gregoirewant to find her attractive no matter what if she has if she has flat chest if she has very little to offer in in those specific areas I don't really care I know I do get I get what you're saying
03:03:19
Brian Atlasand I don't agree with plastic surgery but it is hard to be a woman sometimes about how about this but this is such a rare like okay if we Grant you like yeah cuz think having the natural is just an option that you can wake up and have
03:03:30
Brian Atlasyeah yeah there's the the mommy makeovers if we Grant you as men that we're okay with women after having given birth to children and there's excess
03:03:41
Brian Atlasstomach fat if we're fine with that procedure yeah I think we should make it illegal ban all the other ones what do you think I do I agree cuz
03:03:53
Gloria Calderonehonestly a dictator what I do not like what I do not like is once women start deforming themselves because these hips are getting out of control like because of these Kim Kardashians I'm sorry I
03:04:05
Gloria Calderonereally don't like them one thing before you one it's just getting ridiculous like everyone doesn't even they don't even look like what look on the on the mommy makeover the the excess stomach fat I would say like like for example
03:04:18
Brian Atlaspeople who are obese whether you're a man or woman and if you're you were previously obese and you lose a bunch of weight you tend to have excess skin I don't I don't think I would object
03:04:29
Brian Atlasto whether you're a man or woman to that procedure so I think the the mommy makeover where if she has like ex excess skin I don't think I really object to that I think what I more so object to is
03:04:40
Brian Atlaswhen you're otherwise cutting into normal healthy tissue uh to put in plastic like there again there's degrees to to some of these cosmetic procedures
03:04:52
Brian Atlaslike perhaps lip filler is not particularly invasive as compared to like a rhinoplasty as compared to fake tits as compared to lipo as compared to
03:04:59
Brian AtlasBBL so I think the the the degree the severity the reasons and the uh oh
03:05:08
Brian AtlasI lost the last one the uh invasiveness uh is is is part of it so yeah and like people get excessive like people become obsessive like go ahead with your well for like to go back on
03:05:21
Kenderly Ryanthe how you want it to be illegal my family tried suing the doctors and actually bringing a law to stop procedures over three or four at a time cuz my mom had seven I think at a time that is wrong it's very wrong but
03:05:34
Kenderly Ryanthere's no laws against that and that's where we need to change that you know your body is it just had to happen then cuz it's been 18 it was 18 years ago and we did a malpractice suit we did all of
03:05:45
Kenderly Ryanthat said hold on with that said said this is why I will not get surgery and I will tell every single woman who wants to get surgery what my mom went through and again your body your choice but I
03:05:56
Kenderly Ryanlost my goddamn mom when I was 14 that is hard and I will never ever put myself through that even if I'm uncomfortable with my skin guess what deal with it
03:06:06
Monica (Swedish Bella)deal with it deal so you know what deal it what a big problem is here I think and I see this on Instagram all the time because I a lot of my girlfriends have
03:06:16
Monica (Swedish Bella)sorry exessive plastic surgery and when I say excessive it's off the scale it has past I'm fine with the small upper lip ladies you don't need you don't need
03:06:25
Monica (Swedish Bella)to be putting that in your lips you know what the problem is the um the online pressure and when I'm talking pressure it's got go bigger go bigger
03:06:37
Brian Atlasand these are women that maybe don't feel like 100% great about themselves you know what I got a solution I got a solution that's why we as men need to tell women that we find your
03:06:49
Brian AtlasConstitution to not undergo these dangerous and unnecessary surger attract I think it's attractive I'm attracted to a woman with a strong
03:07:00
Monica (Swedish Bella)constition president for president than ran Atlas for president you can be my VP yeah you for president
03:07:10
Monica (Swedish Bella)because I see this constantly and I have friends that have gone up to 10,000 cc's in each boob do you know how much that that is like Beyond and I feel like my
03:07:21
Monica (Swedish Bella)boobs are too big so I want to decrease take them out because them out because I was like they're uncomfortable they hurt but it's a lot of money and now I have to pay for my mistake you know and
03:07:31
Monica (Swedish Bella)that's okay but I just feel like people guys on the internet has to stop this like oh I I wonder how much he'll do I'm I wonder how far she will
03:07:42
Monica (Swedish Bella)go instead of saying stop don't do it anymore like it's too much but they don't and these women or maybe not feeling great about themselves they don't have a partner in the life that supports them and loves them so they
03:07:54
Monica (Swedish Bella)trust these men on internet they're like oh they love me so if I do more is that what men have you guys had that experience men are like 100% yes I have people in my inbox telling me I will pay you this amount of
03:08:06
Brian Atlasmoney if you go bigger bigger I was like those no like I with me too and I'm like this is I don't don't listen to don't listen to it happens very small minority
03:08:17
Brian AtlasI think both men and women have a duty I think we should both be trying to build each other up because I mean look we're we both tend to shame each other's bodies in certain ways like for example
03:08:29
Brian Atlaslike uh the way that men will com I feel like people think I'm almost being factious about this the way men will shame women if they have a large labia is like you know roast beef right they
03:08:40
Brian Atlasthink she's that's a indicator of sexual promiscuity which I actually know a woman who's a virgin could have a large labia course you know roast beef Ares wizard sleeve you hear you hear these
03:08:51
Brian Atlasterms but also women will shame men for you know if a guy has a small they get a lot a lot of men get shamed for that we all so I would like us
03:09:02
Brian Atlasto listen I think we should we can shame people for choices that they make but if there's something out of your control I don't think you should shame somebody for it if somebody has a certain bodily
03:09:14
Monica (Swedish Bella)characteristic we shouldn't shame if a woman has small breast we should shame her for that man has a small te has lar lady because I was bullied to I wanted to commit suicide because I was bullied
03:09:25
Monica (Swedish Bella)so badly in school I wish I could have been there for no boobs I was very tall small boob do you have small boobs you had small boobs I had I I was are great I like small boobs small boobs are great
03:09:36
Monica (Swedish Bella)small boobs I had a big nose beautiful and I had a bump on my nose from a car accident and my um my septum was crooked destroyed I have a broken those too good
03:09:46
Monica (Swedish Bella)so I was bullied up until like I had my nose fixed it who bullied you was it other men women it was it was both both okay um in school in high school see I got bullied from my nose too and I just that was that's something that I was
03:09:59
Monica (Swedish Bella)just like yeah yeah then on the internet on Tik Tok I had a car riding a bite like motorcyc something to say it was both it was hell it was
03:10:10
Brian Atlasreally hell so you know I just want to say for for any uh women who are watching there will be a man there are plenty of men who will find you attractive as you are if you're
03:10:21
Brian Atlasconsidering getting a plastic surgery if you're considering lip filler or fake tits or lipo BBL whatever labia plasty whatever it may be there are plenty of men that will find you beautiful that will love you that will want to be in a
03:10:35
Brian Atlasrelationship with you that will get married to you uh without the need for undergoing these surgeries pleas women no shame men either no but yeah we shouldn't be shaming everybody okay all
03:10:46
Brian Atlasright let me oh the question where this came from was and I want to wrap up on that then we have to get into a whole bunch of other things are you more attractive now or will you be more attractive in 10 years I you think think
03:10:57
Brian Atlaswe left off with you this whole of yeah thank you abig just open 30 minute conversation about plastic Sur um so are you did you answer the question are you more
03:11:09
Brian Atlasphysically she did you answer she oh you answered it what about you are you more physically attractive now or will you be more physically attractive in years no in 10 years no no we're all headed for the same grave no it's not going to get
03:11:20
Annabetter it's going to get like worse we just don't know how bad I'm not going to get more attractive in the future but I am more attractive now than I was in my 20s on 26 so wait you're more let's say
03:11:31
Gloria Calderoneare you more attractive now then in my like 19 like 19 yeah okay
03:11:40
Gloria Calderoneum why are you laughing I think I might have another like 2 years of like my being the like I guess more attractive
03:11:52
Gloria Calderoneum I am going to say though when I hit 30 and I started seeing like wrinkles coming and I was like okay it's over so I'm probably I'm probably this is definitely the hottest I'll be 10 like
03:12:03
Gloria Calderonein 10 years I'm definitely well okay so you're 31 right yeah were you are you more attractive now than you were at 21 oh yeah absolutely oh my God yeah y'all coping y'all cope just I can I mean I
03:12:14
Gloria Calderonewas I was like a pretty girl I just for me on a personal level like I was just skinny I mean I worked out I was but I was very just like like petite it's like pubescent right yeah like I feel like
03:12:25
Gloria Calderoneright now in my in my 30s I hit puberty and I have like like hips and a butt you know like I just I feel more attractive right now I think what it is
03:12:35
Brian Atlasit's not whe it's not whether you feel more attractive are more attractive um I mean the beauty in the eye of not this
03:12:44
Brian Atlasone I won't win on this one all right so we have let me let's go around Let's uh oh here we go sorry that this took us a while to get to Mr Owl to the women trying to use JLo as an example of
03:12:56
Brian Atlasgetting better with age obviously have never seen her earlier Works Google image search her from In Living Color money train and in the film enough enough I yeah I just know her music
03:13:08
Background voicevideos I just think she's very pretty regardless oh my god did you guys see that movie Hustlers exactly yes she L husters like let's go back to that no but Jayla was high obviously in her I'm not going to win with these I'm no
03:13:21
Brian Atlasyou're not all right we have a disgruntled Care Bear question the title about brokan caught my eyes so I'd like to pose the question to find a brokan for reference I'm in the Army where I don't get paid a lot Cashwise uh thank you but you have um you're going to have
03:13:34
Kenderly Ryanmoney later on like you're going to get that money check after you're out we already know that I'm going to just give them a little love if you put on that Army outfit you can be as broke as you want
03:13:47
Kenderly Ryansee and that's that's Monica for you okay okay all right there you go no but what defines a broke man is not necessarily financials either it can be
03:13:57
Kenderly Ryansomeone who has broke mentality like my ex had broke mentality so it's not always just being financially broke it's the fact that you don't want to work you're putting in your bare minimum even in a relationship even in your own
03:14:08
Kenderly Ryanhygiene that's what a broke man is to me because it could be broken or broke and I feel like both go hand in hand I agree bro oh my God Nick I did that on
03:14:19
Carla Eliapurpose dude um what what huh so a broke man a broke man isn't just broke because of finances a broke man is also like a mindset like a poor person mindset okay all right
03:14:32
Brian Atlasyour action yeah here we got some notes Here we got more notes I think we wait did we get everything from hold on let me check one sec
03:14:43
Holly Treatsuh what I'm trying not to have a wardrobe malfunction right now but this dress is just riding up and I'm trying to calmly make it better word I just saw on the screen you got you got legs and
03:14:56
Brian Atlasno I just think like being BR you wear you're wearing underwear right I am I have standards of existence fair just I was like oh are we going to have like a The wholey Flash you know no not
03:15:08
Brian Atlaslike that it's more for my own I get it I get it that would have gotten uh we have some notes here from Kendra Kendra adult film star s worker business consultant you said you were
03:15:19
Brian Atlaswith your fiance for 4 years and 3 years in we both realized you had F to his good friend 10 years prior oh my God I for was the story there was that an issue also for the relationship yeah it definitely became an issue cuz going
03:15:32
Kenderly Ryaninto it he was already worried that I'd been with his friends um little bit of a backstory he's a Entertainer but not in the sex industry he's an actor actor director filmographer all that c
03:15:43
Kenderly Ryanmotographer sorry um so I my client tell like whether it's BDSM or content creation they can be his friends and um one day my friend was over and she was
03:15:55
Kenderly Ryantalking about uh wrestling and he was like oh my friend X I was like what's his last name and he said it and my head just fell and then he looked at me he's like you him didn't
03:16:07
Kenderly Ryanyou I was like I was him for a good two years honey but why would you make it obvious I would just keep my mouth quiet because I was with him no I was have a ring on my finger I was not going to lie to this man I'm not going
03:16:19
Kenderly Ryanto lie to him if he was going to invite him to our wedding and then he shows up I'm like oh I him like his bachelor party any he's going to find out eventually so why lie there's no reason to lie from the beginning of our
03:16:31
Kenderly Ryanrelationship I had no reason to lie to him so when he found out he didn't talk to me for a few days but he you know at the end of the day I didn't know him for 10 years prior what are you going to do be mad at me for something I did 10
03:16:42
Monica (Swedish Bella)years ago I know you were married at the time homie you were with another woman so yeah I with one of his friends I don't know if guys like feel that's a
03:16:52
Monica (Swedish Bella)bro code you know sto hard it's hard to have a bro code when it's like yeah I mean when it happened such a long time ago I don't know how you feel about it
03:17:04
Holly Treatsit's not my proud Moment Like if I could go back I wouldn't have done it but I didn't know but it I mean of course I haven't been in that situation have you been in it with like just kind of having a crush on the same
03:17:15
Mason Gregoiregirl as a as one of your friends or kind like going for the same I would never ever ever date somebody that my friend has dated yeah like that's just yeah if didn't know you kind of thing gosh well
03:17:27
Kenderly Ryanlike at that point how how much friends I am am I with this guy that's what I said to him because he made it seem such a big deal and all these men that he's talking about talk down to him make fun
03:17:37
Gloria Calderoneof him oh I your up I think that's what it is it's more of like like them knowing that they know what you look like under like you know while having sex and it
03:17:49
Gloria Calderonewas already like he wasn't it's not that he wasn't supportive he just didn't know how to fully comprehend my job the thing is so that was already a thing I think that like for men it's really hard for them to even think about us having sex
03:18:01
Gloria Calderonein general with any any past partners unless you're someone's into that yeah okay unless that okay unless that's the case but when they they know that person wait what what was that I mean unless they know that person then it's like now
03:18:14
Mason Gregoireit's like very Vivid and they're like thinking about like you and them together I me abolutely with with the women I've dated I'm extremely like with my wife eventually I'm going to be
03:18:24
Mason Gregoireextremely territorial so that's why he was so upset which I understand well it's like I can imagining my woman with
03:18:34
Mason Gregoireanother man is just awful so like I I can understand that the aspect of like I know this other guy and now I have to imagine him with
03:18:46
Mason Gregoireyou every time that we're potentially going to have sex or that we're going to be together that's like I for me I just it's it's super hard to get out of my
03:18:57
Mason Gregoiremind and as like I think most really masculine men hyper masculine men that's just kind of the case yeah they they don't want to share their woman with anybody yeah and he had his friend had a
03:19:08
Kenderly Ryanhistory of everyone else's wife that guy so yeah so my my ex was like dude you felt for his too like kind of like what's wrong with you and I was like I was 19 and I was
03:19:21
Brian Atlasdesperate like that's really what it was I wait I I have a totally unrelated question to this yes you have a 13 tattoo on your hand oh my God please what's that uh Friday 13th you
03:19:33
Kenderly Ryanget tattoos for $13 what no come on yeah so there's one right here it has the Roman numerals right here I was thinking it was no it's not I
03:19:43
Kenderly Ryanthought oh it says it says M km for my best friend and then s and then 13 so people thought I was in a gang called MS 13 when I went to jail everyone
03:19:54
Kenderly Ryangave went to jail my mom died when I was 14 you think I don't have trauma and I didn't do yeah I went to jail I go to
03:20:04
Kenderly Ryanjail is different different everyone's path is I did not go to prison did not do tell us about uh did you do any dating in jail how was that every woman wanted to grab my tits what the I
03:20:16
Kenderly Ryanwonder why not like it's like that real life been to jail more than once I more than the only the amount of days I've done total in my whole life was like 100 I got a DUI so I did 50 days straight and then I
03:20:28
Kenderly Ryanprobation violated which I had my ex's prescription on me not in my name 30 days I see okay so if you you know when I tell it it's like oh you wish it was
03:20:38
Brian Atlasharder okay I do usually I do I wish it was hard okay all right I want to earn my credit we have a we have actually a couple of
03:20:49
Brian Atlasyour tweets that we we found I'm off the charts before I was diagnosed my God diagnosed with what VPD I don't know I'm not sure uh we're going to pull them up we're going to pull them up there's a
03:21:02
Brian Atlascouple I think there's just five so go ahead go ahead Nick what what do we got here Nick can you make it a little bigger please little uh
03:21:13
Brian Atlasbigger oh Kendra Lee who in the actual is this person do they realize they are openly saying I'm a virgin and I refuse to admit it or I am repulsive but I'm trying to get beta ducks to like me
03:21:23
Brian Atlasfck thank thank God for Drew oh God this girl okay uh I'm not on her side anymore by the way I don't like she made a hitpiece on us um sort of uh keeping that she talk keep keeping us women
03:21:35
Brian Atlasreminded men like you are balding and alone wow okay you went in on the balding thing next next tab though what's the next one wait did you just just double did you just double twice
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Brian Atlaswhat happened next oh I think it just got bigger go back wait that's what she said did are you can you go forward Nick next tab it's me Mike does it matter if you're skinny men use the term fat to
03:21:59
Brian Atlasbring down any woman because it's an insult to them once we stop Ling the word fat come off it so negatively they can't use it against us but hold on you just talked about Bing oh yeah why not you're going to attack me for being fat
03:22:12
Holly TreatsI'm going to attack your hairline well was that what happened cuz that I was being attacked in that thread uh Holly was there I was so she was getting attacked in the thread and then everyone made it a wait topic and then it just
03:22:24
Monica (Swedish Bella)kind of digressed from there so if you're going to I don't ever fire first if you fire at me I'm going to verbally hurt I didn't know crap out of I didn't know that that was well that's a part of the problem we have with plastic surgery
03:22:36
Monica (Swedish Bella)like if this happens the whole time you know I was looking do after all that happen okay all right next uh that's so crazy I have sex with
03:22:47
Brian Atlasmen for money and I get all my wait star I have sex with with men for money and I get all my bills paid for me and my life partner including a beautiful home and cars sucks they lost
03:22:58
Brian Atlaseverything she should F someone richer like I did M oh wait but when you say you have sex with men for money are you talking about a porn star no but you also did say you had sugar daddy so
03:23:09
Brian Atlasmaybe that's oh yeah we could talk about I mean yeah they did buy my car so or he bought my car so okay uh all right wait somebody you had a sugar daddy buy you a car wait okay
03:23:21
Brian Atlaslet's we we'll come there's two more tweets we'll come back to those um who here has had the sugar daddy we I'll just yes or no going
03:23:29
Carla Elia (overlap)around the table yes yeah no yeah no no no no you tell the trth you should say it you tell the truth I I heard no
03:23:41
Brian Atlashuh what you too no you're not his daddy wait why would you assume that I had one why would no cuz you paused a little bit so I was like oh think about
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Holly Treatsit I'd be a lot richer if I did good okay so sugar daddies how many sugar daddies have you had I I've been honestly it's like a lifestyle thing
03:24:03
Holly Treatslike I I had my first sugar daddy at like 18 years old and then I've kind like sporadically on and off since then like obviously not during relationships
03:24:14
Holly Treatsit's sure yeah okay so and I've had some and honestly my 8year long relationship like part of the spice on this relationship is he was 21 years older than me and taking care of me so in a
03:24:25
Holly Treatslot of ways that was a it's kind of started out like that and then it kind of just like oh we're staying together and more bonding more right or whatever you want to call it right but it kind of
03:24:37
Gloria Calderonemy eight-year long relationship should have just been a sugar daddy okay interesting interesting okay would that be considered a sugar daddy if he was your actual like part that's kind of why I don't consider him
03:24:48
Holly Treatsa sugar daddy because it was like it's not like hey if I don't get money today for hanging out with you it's I feel like it's it wasn't transaction it
03:24:58
Holly Treatsstarted that way though um it started so this is how it happened so like he bought me a designer purse like the day after he met me which was like a super grooming move but I was young and didn't know that it was grooming move right and
03:25:11
Holly TreatsI was like oh my god I've never had a guy buy me a designer handbag before and then wait why is that groom no because the way he did it was just kind of like hey I'm about to abuse the out of you for the next like 8 years but you're going to remember this
03:25:24
Brian Atlasmoment as something that you want to happen again you know what I mean wait wait hold on you dated this man for eight years how early into the relationship did you detect that he was abusive um I detected and we had this
03:25:36
Holly Treatsnot detected he was abive we had this crazy fight that I was like this was disproportionate to the situation two weeks in but again i' I I also my parents aren't abusive to each other so
03:25:47
Holly Treatsfor me it was really kind of like oh my god I've never seen someone yell at someone like that before and then in my mind like you're a idiot you're literally going to end up on the streets if you don't learn how
03:26:00
Holly Treatsto deal with this you stupid like that my God he once came after me I've heard it for years so I'm very good and he has a bird squawking
03:26:08
Holly Treatsvoice so um he's a bird girls like oh my God that man you heard it too oh my God
03:26:18
Holly Treatsman we this I SAR that man doesn't come out as gay I don't know what yeah like like it's like you're either asexual or there's something weird because you just like abusing people and he probably gets
03:26:30
Holly Treatsoff more on stealing money from old ladies than he does from actually having sex he's very flamboyant yeah he's Insanity you've never met anybody like most people haven't met people like this but but yeah so two weeks in is when you
03:26:43
Holly Treatsstart two weeks in and then I remembered having this critical Moment In My Head where it's like that wasn't right that was weird and then I talked to him thinking okay well we should just we should communicate about this right and
03:26:55
Holly TreatsI was like Hey do you realize that like this what you said was like completely disproportionate to the it's too long to describe the story but it was completely disproportionate and he was like oh well
03:27:04
Holly Treatsif you hadn't like basically like left the house like this at this time then it wouldn't have turned into a fight and I honestly just believed him because I'd never been yelled at and I was like wow the only way that someone would hate me
03:27:17
Holly Treatsthat much to talk to me like that would must be if I'm that bad he was very abusive yeah and I and I didn't grow up with like a narcissistic family so I didn't like recognize the signs you know what I mean like I was like wow I'm I
03:27:29
Holly Treatsneed this guy like he's helping me like like it was it's just really it's really up how people did and then you stayed with him for eight years I wanted to leave after three but he completely financially in mesed himself in my life
03:27:41
Holly Treatsand made it extremely hard to leave so even though we weren't married get breaking required a divorce and that was part of the plan financial divorce yeah it that was part of the plan and this is something that doesn't get talked about I'm actually like writing a book about
03:27:54
Holly Treatsthis but like this is something that happens this F unspoken Financial abuse that becomes a way of kind of like house wait how so um people will just you know
03:28:05
Holly Treatstrap you with debt they'll trap you with assets they'll you know they'll if you try to break up with people they'll follow into the court system to try to create new ways to get in contact you with you when they've exhausted costed all of the normal ones you know what I
03:28:18
Holly Treatsmean and this is actually something that the court system's aware of too the court system is super aware of it yeah so it's but it's just not getting talked about a lot because it's a very ambiguous thing right so but wasn't he you said he was a like 20 years or
03:28:30
Holly Treatssenior was he successful did he make good money he was a he was an investment banker so it's one of those things where it's like when they get money they get a lot of money but they can also lose it like that and they live very chaotic lives so you could literally have $10
03:28:42
Holly Treatsmillion one day and zero the next day like so it's it's kind of like a false sense it's it's money but not wealth yeah you you mentioned so did you have debts yeah so that was a thing that he
03:28:53
Holly Treatsdid so he gave me the story of like Hey we're going to I'm going to get you a credit card and I'm going to pay it every month right and we're going to build your credit sounds great right and so we do that and he's paying
03:29:05
Holly Treatseverything's going according to plan and then one day we have a fight and it's like okay well you can go pay that on your own then and it's like well you've been racking up a bill on this too right cuz it it wasn't just me being like Yay
03:29:17
Holly TreatsI'm going shopping it was like this card is like groceries gas like it's it's our life card right and so I was sold the story like I'm going to build your your credit everything's going to be fine da da da and then the day that they need
03:29:29
Holly Treatsthat to be a tool for them then they're like you know what maybe you should just go pay this $50,000 of debt that I racked up that I assured you would be you know what I mean it's like not all your own debt you wasn't paying the statement balance no he did so he would
03:29:41
Holly Treatswait until the very last moment to do before it affected my you know before it affected my credit report to pay it but then like within days back up before I could make a decision to like run you know what I mean and so he kept me in
03:29:53
Holly Treatsthis kind of confused state of like being fearful of my financial situation legitimately right you know what I mean and then also trying to myself feel like I had to make a ton of money to
03:30:04
Holly Treatscover his antex and then being like how do I leave because if I leave basically I have to leave with $100,000 worth of debt and by the way I eventually had to make that choice and did leave with $100,000 worth of debt cuz I would never
03:30:15
Holly Treatsstop andless I left right but that but then you realize wellow I could have done this 3 years earlier if I was going to get the entire time wait so were you both using this particular
03:30:26
Holly Treatscredit card yes but it wasn't he wasn't supposed to be it wasn't supposed to be being used the way it was right like I was being told okay this is for like stuff that we actually like is like necessary and then I go in the card and
03:30:38
Holly Treatsit's like like and he was like buying it wasn't even just shopping it was like bad decisions he was making on behalf of the business that we started together it was just like so much but at the end of the day I was holding the bag
03:30:50
Carla Eliawith this credit card you know what I mean that's kind of what it yeah but where were okay so I have a question how old were you again you were when you I was um I was like 19 okay and you said you have like you have your family was
03:31:02
Holly Treatsmy mom and dad actually so my mom and dad when I met him did a very overbearing parent thing and they like ran a background check on him and got a private investigator and basically presented the paperwork and like this
03:31:12
Holly Treatsguy's really bad wait how early on did that occur like I want a couple weeks aoup no a couple months what did the background check uncover what what did it cuz they said he just seemed to
03:31:24
Holly Treatsbe Shady he seemed to be a ghost on paper and that he didn't seem to have a stable job there were just a lot of things that were like this is an elusive individual who doesn't seem to come from anywhere and you continue dating him because I was super young and in my mind
03:31:37
Holly TreatsI'm like well maybe he's just like some like amazing rich guy and my dad and mom aren't rich like he seems to be which by the way he wasn't actually as rich as he D but I was too young to even know what people do like that you know I mean I'm
03:31:49
Holly Treatslike you're you're when you're 19 you have no idea how money Works unless the tendler S Tinder swindler basically yeah he's like the Tinder swindler but he did sell me the first
03:31:59
Holly Treatstwo years like really top shelf life right like like it was like spoiling the out of the spoiled the because SPO the absolute out of me to make me like kind of be like hey I know I'm abusing you and you're crying every day
03:32:13
Holly Treatsand I like don't let you see your parents but like Jesus you're okay you know yeah like and I tell you lines to tell your parents about how we're doing when for when you go see them so you don't talk about it on your own yeah you
03:32:25
Mason Gregoireknow what I mean like yeah early on in the conversation sounds like a lot of work go yeah you were you guys were saying how uh typically in Orange County uh people their parents aren't very
03:32:39
Holly Treatspresent in their lives they might they might be together yeah so I guess in your situation this happened after col I was already kind of like I'm deciding to do this my mom and dad are trying honestly to be good parents right like
03:32:52
Holly Treatsthey were trying but he wants to know no like growing up oh growing up did you not have parents growing up did you not like my mom and dad were up my ass growing up really yeah yeah they were at my ass growing up my brother's Like an
03:33:04
Holly TreatsEagle Scout type guy you know what I mean and I was just sneaking out at night after they went to sleep and like I want a party you know me like yeah Mom and Dad I'm okay and nothing
03:33:14
Mason GregoireB's happening is a epidemic of one of two situations it's either your parents don't care about what you do and they're just like as long as you're not dead at the end of the day I don't care but
03:33:26
Mason Gregoirethere's also this other totally opposite end of the spectrum where they dictate everything that you do they're helicopter parents yeah so helicopter parents are in other ways extremely
03:33:36
Mason Gregoireunhealthy because they're essentially prolonging your childhood yes so instead of treating you like an adult when like you turn 13 14 like start getting extra
03:33:47
Mason Gregoireresponsibilities but you also get extra freedoms and start of training you into the woman you should become they're like I'm going to still treat you like the
03:33:56
Mason Gregoiresix-year-old daughter I had at one point and I will never let you go and so I I definitely I think that's just as damaging as somebody who's like I don't
03:34:07
Holly Treatscare about my kids whatever they're really just parents that decided to get pregnant one day and are honestly just figuring it out and they are perfect example that you can my mom and dad went to every parenting class like they like
03:34:20
Holly Treatshonestly like it's a little like when I hear them talk about how much into parenting they got it's a little bit oh my God C like shut the up but it's but but it just goes to show you like you can't control what your kid does like your kids grow up and become
03:34:32
Gloria Calderonewhoever they're going to be and you can Pro you can honestly do your best but like factors are still going to happen your parents and you have conversations throughout your childhood about um you
03:34:44
Gloria Calderoneknow cuz I mean I'm coming from as a mother and you know I was a single mother until I got married and I I do talk to my daughter about you know sex
03:34:56
Gloria Calderoneand how to take care of herself I don't drink so like I kind of want to um teach her that that's actually not good for you oh
03:35:05
Holly TreatsLord so um anyway so I think that sorry keep coming it just had to happen when I was talking right all right anyway sorry we're laughing at
03:35:16
Holly Treatsthis uh this baby this introduction yeah no they talk to me a lot about it um I think are you asking did they have those talk did they have like the talk CU you
03:35:26
Gloria Calderoneknow the thing is what I what I cuz I'm I'm seeing it from like a lot of um you know every generation of parents are changing and we're kind of learning from like our our like parents and our
03:35:39
Gloria Calderonegrandparents and like stuff like that I feel like I feel like um now I'm starting to understand that you do have to monitor your kids like freedom is okay but you do have to monitor them
03:35:50
Gloria Calderonevery well because children will make bad decisions especially when they're surrounded by like other kids that aren't being monitored so you do have to monitor their friends also like I understand like where you grew up but
03:36:02
Gloria Calderonelike you know I the communities that have like are wealthier like parents are very absent so like I know me for example I don't my daughter doesn't go to like a super wealthy area but um I do
03:36:14
Holly Treatslook at the parents and when I see that a parent is absent I my daughter's not allowed to hang out with that person my mom had a list of friends I wasn't allowed to hang out with too but it's still it's just like you can't sounds like B literally every single high
03:36:27
Brian Atlasschool we have to her too long on it yeah it's it's not I don't want to let's go back to the sugar daddy situation so so you have any you know you got some sugar daddies currently you got some okay all right and like I'm curious
03:36:40
Brian Atlasmaybe to keep things a bit more light for both of you let's talk about the the money when it to sugar daddies what are we what are we talking here I I don't I don't really like hang
03:36:51
Holly Treatsout like I don't entertain allowances yeah like it's like allowances and um allowances plus gifts and it's kind of like I mean I want to say it's $10,000 a
03:37:03
Holly Treatsmonth but sometimes from just one or 10,000 month that's the Buy in spend that much time yeah absolutely to get your attention I mean I otherwise I have
03:37:13
Holly Treatsa job I I can just do my job right yeah and I'm at a point where no honestly like I it for me it's not yeah I'm at a point now where ironically not my dudes
03:37:26
Kenderly Ryanmy dudes are not simps go back no they're come on wait can you guys tell me what that means I don't know what that means well a simp is someone who basically doesn't care anything except how much they love you and they'll give you every dime that they have and
03:37:36
Kenderly Ryanthey'll just give you every compliment everything you're their God okay but um um I lost my train of thought oh sugar dadd so me at this point and I know no one's going to believe this I don't give
03:37:49
Kenderly Ryansugar anymore I have money sent to you know this my New York guys they don't send me one guy's in a relationship now and that's totally fine he sends me money every month same with a guy in New York they send me money whenever I text
03:38:00
Kenderly Ryansame with a couple other people I don't have to give sugar anymore it's gotten to that point I've been doing this for 14 years also technically so they're pay pigs Tech they're not pigs pay pigs they're not pay pigs cuz we had a
03:38:12
Kenderly Ryanrelationship before we ended it so because I've built that connection with them over so many years they care about me and they know what I've had happen to me we've hung out without money exchange cuz I genuinely like them I was dating them so how much do they pay you how
03:38:24
Kenderly Ryanmuch they I don't like to disclose that to really give out range give us a range no the couple thousand a month I make over six figures a year without having a lift a finger from just that or from
03:38:35
Brian Atlasyour without having to lift a finger six figures a month or six a six figures a month without having a month just off a year just off thear dad just off the
03:38:46
Brian Atlassugar daddies but not there's no sugar six figures a year wowo life on easy mode life on easy mode that's insane you put in enough work you don't got to give
03:38:55
Brian Atlasthe sugar anymore that's insane wow bro these simps holy bro at a new level wait say it again six figures a year without having to lift a
03:39:06
Holly Treatsfinger I mean there's a lot of I blame the men dude blame no honestly but think about it imagine a imagine a billionaire guy who has women literally throwing themselves at him pretending that they're getting pregnant all the time to
03:39:18
Holly Treatstry to nail him down he is paying for the con hey these are the terms right you know what I mean I don't want you to be confused about what this relationship is I like you but I don't love you but I do want you to be okay and I don't want
03:39:29
Holly Treatsyour time to be wasted so hang out with me I'll make sure you're okay and not just getting used and different people like want different stuff but she says she doesn't live lift a finger these are just men you're special I have I have
03:39:42
Brian Atlaslifted fingers I've lifted more than fingers like but no but you're saying sure and and we could definitely talk about like the past experiences but you say currently you're making six figures a year without having to really do
03:39:55
Kenderly Ryananything yeah just without lifting a finger give give a checkin you know maybe send a photo not even a nude just a thinking of you look at how I look and that's can I say like a quick funny
03:40:06
Gloria Calderonestory I had a tenant and she found her husband's phone and she found out that he was sending money to a woman in Dr and and when we so she was like can you call close the doors she was like she
03:40:19
Gloria Calderoneshe like called me she was like crying she was like please call this number I'm shaking when I called it was a man of course of course so like are so of course it was a scammer but men are so
03:40:31
Carla Eliawilling to buy the story and pay for it and it's crazy yeah cuz I mean guys it's not a surprise because now guys have ai girlfriends as well like they pay for
03:40:41
Kenderly Ryanthat they take them on with dates with them it's it's not a surprise I'm not surprised gr no one's saying that everyone should go do that we don't necessarily no not everyone's Cut From the Same Cloth they can't handle it and
03:40:54
Kenderly Ryanit's fine like I've come to terms that I will probably be single the rest of my life just like my grandmother she's been single for 45 years she's happy I'll be me cool it's just like the these men
03:41:04
Gloria Calderonespending all this money I I don't get it at at all yeah yeah me NE I don't either I don't I don't think I don't think even the women that do
03:41:16
Kenderly Ryanthat like do those things even understand it and they're like in relationship with those men I don't think anybody can understand that no unless you're in it you know and it's
03:41:26
Kenderly Ryanfine you know I'm I'm not talking for everyone I'm just saying for me I what works for me works for me I don't give a say do you understand them why they would spend so much money just you do
03:41:38
Kenderly Ryancuz I've heard the stories that they're going through and you know there's some men whose wom whose wives they're not even there emotionally or physically they're just there and they don't want to leave and they both don't want to
03:41:48
Kenderly Ryanleave so they just want compassion and it's yes it's sad it makes my heart break I don't want to see a man yes a man's being an emasculated man
03:41:58
Kenderly Ryanbecause of his wife of 20 30 years that's sad leave go make yourself happy don't do what you're doing and I'm not saying I don't support them either because obviously they're paying my bills in the same sentence you
03:42:11
Monica (Swedish Bella)it's just not fair to the other woman it's not I've actually heard this so many times so do you think maybe maybe you're you know that it's like they're lonely and even sometimes if they're been they've
03:42:23
Monica (Swedish Bella)been married for a long time even in that relationship it's you know they they feel lonely and it's just do you think maybe that you're enabling them to continue thisor
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TTS/Donationsdrivecore massive truck donated $100 chat wants to hear the euro girl talk there's two I think it's like cuz she really mhm I think it's you what you got for us
03:42:47
Annagive us a hot drop a hot tap well I never had a sugar dat I mean if I would be single I'm not against it there we go like okay okay what would be your goal
03:43:00
Annaif you had a sugar daddy what's your ultimate goal like a car a house what would it be I would say the like long-term relationship if it makes sense yeah okay so You' want to
03:43:12
Annaturn into an actual relationship yeah like not not relationship with the future I mean in my mind sugar daddy is
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Annathe person who like gives you gives you like the terms like for example you're just like a lover or like he will never
03:43:31
Annaget married and he just give you gives you like the terms that like hey I will give you like allowance or I will provide you with that that and that but we will never like get married and stuff
03:43:43
Brian Atlasso I think if I would be lonely would be fine yeah so I'm just wondering where are all the women who want a a dude to to be the the sugar baby I guess I just
03:43:56
Kenderly Ryanhad that for two years I'm good thank you like go go find and I also tried helping him find a sugar mama that's how I worked for his ass wow yes I'm like if you're going to cheat Go cheat and get money off of it yeah smart
03:44:09
Kenderly Ryanhe didn't he's like one of the women offered me a car I said why the did you not take that car you idiot oh yeah why not I told him I was like my car is up why don't you get another car
03:44:18
Brian Atlasfor us I I can I can I want to extend my services I will if any women out there want to send me thousands of dollars a month let's get your seeking out there are some guys who probably will I'm okay
03:44:31
Monica (Swedish Bella)on the abolutely just send some photos that's fine send some I have a I have a thing about that you trying to Sugar be
03:44:42
Monica (Swedish Bella)M no I misread that what's up what's up what it is is like for example when I met my husband yeah he was a musician so he didn't make a lot of money um I wasn't complaining
03:44:55
Monica (Swedish Bella)about that and I wasn't making a lot of money either but I was making more yeah but I am fine I don't care where the money comes from if you're in in a relationship and you like each other like personally for me yeah would it be
03:45:08
Monica (Swedish Bella)easier to have somebody taking care of me yes but I'm I'm polish so my mom has always taught me that you should never ask for anybody else's money because
03:45:18
Monica (Swedish Bella)it's not your money it's you've not you have not earned that money you have no right to that money so always make your own money as a woman because you should never rely on anybody in a relationship
03:45:31
Kenderly Ryanto take care of you because what happens when he leaves y you'll be there with nothing or what happens when you're in an abusive relationship yeah exactly and that's why I kind of liked that I was
03:45:40
Monica (Swedish Bella)the bread winner cuz I was like I don't mind my guy not you know being super rich would would it make my life easier yes but it comes with terms that I'm not prepared to accept but that's where the independent culture kind of came in
03:45:54
Carla Eliabecause we were seeing how a lot of during the traditional times women couldn't go to work and but that's where it stemmed from and that's why we're like hyper independent right now so there has to be like some sort of balance and I think that there's like a
03:46:06
Brian Atlasdifference between a traditional man and a provider mindset man yeah let's go back to the tweets we got some more tweets here from our friend Kendra we tweet TR way too interesting I'm not exploited
03:46:18
Brian AtlasI'm not trafficked by men I actually get paid to beat men up take their money and remind them how worthless they are I don't cater to men they cater to me and if you are a sorker you know that hold on you get paid to beat men up and take their money and remind them how
03:46:31
Kenderly Ryanworthless they are what's going on there so fun I was on another really big YouTube channel about this actually um about my domination like I have uh sorry I is it
03:46:44
Kenderly RyanFinn Dom is that what it's called I mean you could put that in my category but I'm more of a domestic terrorist depending on what we talking
03:46:53
Kenderly Ryanabout um I'm a domesticated um mistress meaning I like my domesticated subs or slaves so I want them to clean my house walk my dogs do my errands take my car
03:47:04
Brian Atlasout for a wash and you don't do you don't have sex with them correct oh God no they're pathetic but where are the women that will do all this for me an Ask score go find her no no no but I don't but they're paying you but he
03:47:16
Brian Atlaswants to get paid I want to get paid you can be anore I want I want just sads of women who want to pay me to I will give
03:47:26
Brian Atlasthem the privilege life I will give them the privilege of cleaning my toilet yeah I'm sure there I'm sure there 19-year-old woman waiting just for that
03:47:36
Kenderly RyanFe a lot of those I highly doubt you just said it you just said it you said that there's a lot of 19 to 20y old women are that are ready to date older men cuz they're more mature and they
03:47:48
Carla Eliahave a better mindset no no to date I'm saying like you you have no romantic or sexual interest in these men no God no this is when my mom would
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Carla Eliasay which is basically saying like just men there's some men that like to suffer oh okay what's it um facts they're masochist and sistic M and it's