Broke Men Should NOT Date?! She HATES America?! Husband CRASHES Show! | Dating Talk #121
Date: 2023-11-27
Duration: 7h 17m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Kenderly Ryan(guest)
SPEAKER_03Abigail(guest)
SPEAKER_04Carla Elia (overlap)(guest)
SPEAKER_05Carla Elia(guest)
SPEAKER_06Monica (Swedish Bella)(guest)
SPEAKER_07Anna(guest)
SPEAKER_10Gloria Calderone(guest)
SPEAKER_11Mason Gregoire(guest)
SPEAKER_12Dustin (Carla's husband)(guest)
SPEAKER_13Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_14Holly Treats(guest)
Key Moments
00:02:39
QuoteHolly Treats introduces herself as full-time content creator since 2015 including OnlyFans
“hi my name is Holly treats I'm 28 years old and I live in Los Angeles and I've been a full-time content creator since 2015”
00:03:02
QuoteCarla Elia introduces herself as relationship coach who went viral for controversial stance
“hello my name is Carla Eli I'm 23 years old and I'm a relationship coach and I live in San Diego”
00:03:38
QuoteKenderly Ryan introduces herself as adult film star of 14 years who now manages performers
“I'm kenderly Ryan um I am 32 years old I am from Los Angeles California and I I'm an adult film star of 14 years and I also now started managing lovely women”
01:45:10
QuoteMonica reveals her open marriage is only open for pegging
“the thing is he's not into it right into what the pegging part um wait is it you guys got an open marriage yes only for pegging”
03:59:00
ControversyKenderly's tweets read on air: 'white people don't have culture' and 'it's not racist for black women to humiliate white men'; she stands by both
“I still stand by that very strongly. It's not racist for black women to humiliate white men. That's how I feel. It's called reparations for your ancestors.”
04:48:12
QuoteHolly refuses to share body count saying she 'never reveals her secrets'
“Holly treats I've got I put a lot out there so there's plenty of find other than body count you should put a little more out there”
04:49:30
QuoteKenderly declines to give body count number but gives range: ~50 professional scenes + 50-100 private partners, sexually active since age 13
“I've done about 50 scenes and I've had about 50 to 100 private Partners okay I became sexually active at 13”
04:52:12
QuoteAbigail shares body count of ~14 and expresses regret about not respecting herself
“it's 28 I used to not have very good respect for myself when I was younger and I wish I would have gone back in Ma and hold my younger self respect yourself”
04:58:00
QuoteMonica shares body count of 25-30 and reveals it stemmed from seeking validation due to abusive mother
“probably between 25 and 30 like I'm 40 but also I was in a bad place when most of that happened I my mom was super abusive so I just tried to find love wherever I could”
04:59:00
QuoteKenderly says body count 8 then laughs it off
“eight I'm not so interesting okay”
04:59:42
QuoteMason (SPEAKER_11) reveals body count of zero as a 27-year-old virgin
“Mason oh yeah uh zero Z zero Z hand Z Henderson okay good for you”
05:05:06
QuoteCarla rates herself as 'average' to be relatable to her followers
“I was going to say that I was average too I think I'm I'm an average and just because if I'm average and I can get this life that I have then all the other ladies can have the same thing”
05:11:42
QuoteCarla states her position on broke men: absolute — broke men at 30+ should not be dating
“absolutely broke men like financially and mentally sure... if you're 31 40 and you're still broke there's something wrong with you”
05:14:42
QuoteCarla reveals she was a virgin before marriage, which explains her high standards stance
“she was a virgin before she met her husband so I think that's why they said it because they paid attention that she was a virgin before”
05:59:36
QuoteDustin (Carla's husband) introduces himself: ex-Navy, 25, aspiring police officer
“so tell us a little bit about yourself Dustin... I'm uh 25 uh just recently got out of the military... I've been in the process for going on to the police force for about a year now uh should be going in in January”
06:07:48
QuoteDustin describes household dynamic diplomatically when asked if he's under a dictatorship
“I do not think I'm under a dictatorship I I run my household okay uh she just makes the food and uh points me in the right direction”
06:10:30
QuoteDustin describes realizing Carla was different when she refused to hold his hand on first date
“I knew I knew this was a different breed of woman”
Topics Discussed
00:00:22
Introductions and relationship statuses
Guests introduce themselves: Holly Treats (28, LA, content creator/OnlyFans since 2015), Carla Elia (23, San Diego, relationship coach, viral for 'broke men' stance), Kenderly Ryan (32, LA, adult film star 14 years/manager), Abigail (22, Missouri, personal trainer), Monica Swedish Bella (40, Sweden/LA, bikini competitor/OnlyFans/former teacher), Anna (26, Ukraine, 4 years in USA, actress/ecommerce), Gloria Calderone (31, New York, real estate investor), Mason Gregoire (27, mech engineer/powerlifter/Christian). Relationship status round follows.
00:06:26
Relationship status and dating styles round
Holly: single, dating 3 men (2 long distance), recently had someone fall off her roster. Carla: married 1.5 years, virgin before marriage. Kenderly: single 5-6 months, female FWB situationship, also sleeping with 2 men currently. Abigail: single ~1 year, sees someone 6 months (on/off). Monica: married 6 years (slid into DMs). Anna: married, met 4 years ago, married 3 months after meeting. Gloria: married within 4 months of meeting. Mason: single, virgin saving for marriage.
00:27:00
Open relationships, polyamory, and Monica's pegging arrangement
Monica reveals her marriage has an open arrangement for pegging only. Discussion of what constitutes an open marriage and emotional vs physical boundaries.
03:59:00
Kenderly's controversial tweets about white people and America
Brian reads Kenderly's tweets: 'white people don't have culture' and 'it's not racist for black women to humiliate white men'. Kenderly stands by both statements. Group debate on cultural appropriation, double standards, and whether statements are racist. Kenderly says she's half-Mexican. Monica (Polish) and others push back.
04:24:00
Body count discussion and double standards
Brian asks everyone to share body count. Holly refuses. Kenderly gives range (~50 scenes + 50-100 private, sexually active since 13). Abigail: ~14 (by graduation, mostly from 2-month phase at 16-17; regrets it). Monica: 25-30 (most from period of seeking validation due to abusive mother). Gloria: declines (husband watching). Mason: 0. Anna: declines. Debate on double standards for male vs female body count, whether men with high counts can expect low counts, and whether hookup culture is harmful.
05:03:22
Self-ratings (looks 1-10)
Ratings round. Holly: 7 average, can dress to 10. Carla: average/5 (doesn't want to say 10 to be relatable to her followers). Kenderly: 5 appearance, 10 personality. Abigail: 6. Monica: 5 (self-described). Gloria: 8. Mason: 7.5-8. Brian: 5 (gained weight, downgraded from 6).
05:08:36
Carla's viral content reviewed — 'broke men shouldn't date'
Brian reviews Carla's news articles (New York Post, The Mirror, The Sun) and multiple TikTok videos. Carla explains her position: men with provider mindset should show their resources naturally; broke men at 30+ have limiting beliefs and should focus on finances first; women are precious investments. Discussion involves all guests on whether broke men should date/marry/have children. Carla advocates being a virgin and rotational dating without intimacy.
05:46:48
OKCupid attractiveness data and male/female rating disparities
Brian shows OKCupid chart: men rate women on a bell curve while women rate 80% of men as unattractive. Discussion of why women are harsher judges of male attractiveness and how this affects dating marketplace dynamics.
05:50:00
Dating logistics: men working 60-70 hours, submission, and love languages
Discussion of whether women can handle men working very long hours for high income. Monica says she needs her man at home. Carla says women should have their own life alongside a wealthy man. Love language discussion: Monica and Anna both say acts of service/cooking are how they express love to husbands. Brian and Mason discuss appreciating wives' cooking regardless of quality.
05:59:36
Husband Dustin crashes the show
Carla's husband Dustin (ex-Navy, 25, aspiring police officer) joins the panel mid-show. Describes meeting Carla on Bumble, first coffee date (she's allergic to alcohol), spontaneous Denny's and meeting her family. He showed her his finances/credit score/savings on third date. Says 'I knew this was a different breed of woman' when she refused to hold his hand on first date. Describes household as: 'I run it, she makes the food and points me in the right direction.'
06:08:00
Rotational dating debate
Brian and Carla debate rotational dating concept. Brian prefers undivided romantic attention immediately. Carla clarifies rotational dating means spending time with multiple men without intimacy or kissing. Dustin confirms he was fine with it because Carla was clearly not being promiscuous. Monica shares she had no idea how to date after an 11-year relationship ending and found long-distance courtship via Skype valuable.
06:39:00
Protective husband video (Carla's TikTok)
Brian plays Carla's TikTok about asking a man what he would do if a fight broke out — is he the type to pull out his phone or fix it? Dustin responds to the video about himself, saying he would assess the situation for his family's safety and take video evidence for police if appropriate. Carla says knowing her husband would protect the family is the most attractive thing.
Transcript
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00:57:30
Carla Eliathat all stems from the public school system and same thing with like men being too feminine hello that's like a big big big thing that I don't see a lot of people talking about but it needs to be addressed that's it okay yeah um and
00:57:42
Abigailthen just coming back to the your video here um you got the septum piercing is it one of those that like I took it out to get a tighter smaller one cuz that's what I got it
00:57:53
Abigailpierced with and I didn't even like it cuz it was too big for me and I think it did look kind of ridiculous oh sorry I think it did look kind of ridiculous but I ended up taking it out couldn't get a smaller one back in so I just left it
00:58:05
Brian Atlasout and so since that video when was that like a month or a month ago or something a month or two something like that okay have you just been inundated
00:58:14
Abigailbombarded with a bunch of DMS yes from guys because yes how many we marriage proposals and everything I had a guy call the gym from Florida ask for me to
00:58:25
Abigailtrain him and then he sent me a proposal like a marriage proposal like on text I love that did you call the cops that's cute no oh my did you accept no yeah
00:58:36
Abigailfollow sing so like how do your DMs look did you get like hundreds thousands of DMS what are we talking here um I can't even count the ones on Instagram they're all like in the
00:58:48
Brian Atlasoh and I have to like scroll scroll scroll I didn't even SC to look for them when you're time for that you have your options and you one thing that I think is interesting so if a woman goes online
00:58:59
Brian Atlasand makes some woe is me video about dating complains about dating that they get no guys whatever it is uh she's going to get bombarded with suitors whereas if a guy goes online does the
00:59:10
Brian Atlassame thing wo is me oh no girls want me blah blah blah um I don't know if as many women would DM him as the reverse
00:59:21
TTS/Donationswhich I think is probably not is interesting um great motps donated $100 for F's sake let's be honest you
00:59:32
TTS/Donationsare too busy mistaking loser bad boys for top G to recognize Alpha if you met one so stop looking make yourself worth finding men are Hunters be can I just
00:59:43
Kenderly Ryanask this person what do you do for a job like what is your job motorport obviously cuz this woman has her own business like she's successful she's gorgeous what do you have to offer D can
00:59:54
Gloria CalderoneI say I mean she does did say that she spends a lot of time at the gym um and sometimes like you just have to like like Branch off you know like go into
01:00:05
Mason Gregoiredifferent environments I mean yeah I can speak to this so I mean I I know a lot of elite powerlifters and powerlifting and just the fitness gener industry in
01:00:14
Holly Treatsgeneral is extremely degenerate so I yeah well I mean like can you like life coach us all don't know like group rate for life coaching group rate I agree
01:00:26
Gloria Calderonewith you it's it's a dark so I'm an engineer kind mechanical yeah I don't know if that's his I was I was going to add on to that I was going
01:00:37
Gloria Calderoneto say you know unfortunately in in the fitness industry and I cuz I you know I've been working out for eight years um people that most for the most part
01:00:48
Gloria Calderonepeople that love to work out it's very like because of vanity it's not so much for health you know so a lot there could be a lot of people that are a little superficial and not might not be not
01:00:58
Gloria Calderonethat I'm saying that it's it's the case but I I would say I would rather like my husband wasn't like big on working working out he did like it um but he didn't spend most of his time there you know his his mind was more in like like
01:01:11
Gloria Calderonemaking money and stuff like that where did you guys meet at through a friend through a friend so I got lucky I I've had like pretty good luck finding good
01:01:19
Gloria Calderonelike men um in my life but uh what I was going to say is I do think that that it would be better to find someone that's not sorry thank you it would be better
01:01:31
Gloria Calderonemaybe to find someone that's not like into the gym and you can like make him cuz everybody eventually wants to work out they want to look great and you can Inspire them so I actually um have dated
01:01:43
AbigailI mean went on a few dates with a guy that didn't go to the gym a couple guys that didn't really go to the gym and it was like they didn't understand my life they didn't understand my lifestyle they didn't understand why I ordered the way
01:01:54
AbigailI did they almost kind of found it kind of embarrassing and it made me feel embarrassed to go out to eat with them and then on top of that like they made me feel like I was almost the man in the relationship because I felt kind of bigger than them and more powerful than
01:02:08
Abigailthem like in my muscles I can I can to that actually because I compete yeah and so you know when I when you're in a cut you have to
01:02:19
Monica (Swedish Bella)be with somebody that understands a cut because the way you become under during a cut I mean if a person doesn't understand the fitness industry he's not
01:02:30
Monica (Swedish Bella)going to be able to support you because it's it's a lot of time effort energy you're tired it's it's a hard it's hard bodybing is extremely difficult but I think you would just need a supporting husband or a partner like I don't think
01:02:43
Holly Treatsthey necessarily need to be in that industry yeah okay so I will say I saw I hung out with her and like we we've been through a lot in our friendship cuz we've been friends for a while too and when she was cutting right before her
01:02:55
Holly Treatscompetition I swear I almost beat your face like I was so mad at you so many times I was just like you are the most obnoxious right now and I can't wait for you to stop this competition I'm so
01:03:07
Holly Treatsglad it's over you guys no they're really like they're starving and they're and their testosterone like even for the women cuz they're like ready to compete and it's like wait are you talking you two yeah I've know her for a long been friends for a long time
01:03:20
Holly Treatsand so you guys were housemates or living yeah we like she when she comes to California she stays with me you guys would get into like fights well I was walking on eggshells cuz I knew it was going on and I was like okay this is just like her her Fitness thing you know what I mean she's just we're we're in
01:03:33
Holly Treatsthe we're in the final stages like she's going to be kind of crazy right now okay I got okay I got something for this I [Music]
01:03:44
Brian Atlasgot no we don't and then you were yeah we' been best you guys have been beefing too apparent quality Family Guy reference yeah it's all all right let's go to the
01:03:54
Brian Atlasuh the or there's is there one other Tik Tok video from Abigail oh all right let's play it really quick uh go ahead go ahead it's a quick one about Matt wsh go ahead I was show last night and I've
01:04:07
Abigailcome to realization that every single one of my exes after me has went to a girl that is short blonde no tattoos and doesn't lift what's happening I'm not joking
01:04:18
Abigailevery single one of them I'm like so someone tell me preferably a man why you guys go to the complete opposite after I guess a failed relationship but like we're we're still on decent terms like
01:04:31
Abigailif we seen them I wouldn't be like oh no we be like hey what's up so yeah ladies put a finger down if every single one of your exes has gone to the opposite version of you every single time you break up and you don't understand why
01:04:43
Abigailand you just want the men to answer so someone explain to anything okay um so all your exes like you're how tall are you six foot you're
01:04:54
Brian Atlassix foot so all your ex end up with like petite blonde women and yes no tats Y and they usually don't go to the gym or if they do they just follow them to the
01:05:04
Abigailgym have you turned anyone gay so funny story oh boy um I had a ex
01:05:13
Abigailthat I met at the gym a few years back uh he was a great guy really good to me but yeah he sent me this guy to train I'm I'm not going to disclose any names
01:05:24
Abigailbut I found out later down the road that he met this guy on grinder and he pretended to be his friend huh yep and
01:05:33
Abigailuh they were having sex in our bed of the house we just got together and the guy I was training ended up training his the guy he was sleeping with at the time
01:05:44
Abigailhe told me and disclosed everything to me and uh the guy I was seeing was actually out on military military training he came back to an empty home IID left not said anything I was just
01:05:57
Abigaillike hey I know what you've done please don't try to argue with me um he told me everything showed me proof so I'm I'm going to go I love that he showed you proof that was let's see what do we have
01:06:09
Brian Atlashere okay oh we have the Matt wasal video that's right Nick if you can pull up the Matt Walsh video and you can close out those other Tik toks all videos just this is the last video okay
01:06:19
Brian Atlasand uh oh so guys Matt Walsh just reacted to her first video that we already watched watch so this is in reference to that first video go ahead Nick and we're just going to watch A
01:06:30
Background voiceshort segment of it is this video yeah go ahead and maybe she thought well this is what men should be attracted to says the culture and so they are but uh but
01:06:38
Background voicethey're not we're not oh like as it turns out oh uh yes do men prefer feminine women yes oh because we're
01:06:51
Background voicewe're men and uh we're not looking or uh you if you're a a heterosexual man you
01:07:03
Background voiceyou desire a woman and uh that's a a particular sort of Desire that you have because you want to get married you want to have kids you
01:07:13
Background voicewant a family it's all natural desire for human beings to have for men to have um but you don't you you don't need a a woman who acts like a man or looks like
01:07:25
Background voicea man or or or you know takes on the mannerisms of a man why would you want that oh okay me you have guy friends who you hang out with oh but you don't need women to fill that
01:07:39
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01:07:52
Holly Treatsbest work in my GMS and if you get my attention then it's yes man very easy to impress your reaction to the video to the Matt Walsh video um I was like kind
01:08:02
Abigailof taken back a little bit cuz I see myself as feminine I get that I LIF and I I'm but I'm I mean I'm not big I'm tall but I still see myself as very feminine and I was kind of like you're
01:08:15
Brian Atlassuper feminine I think he's saying that in reaction to because in the video that we reacted to and the video he reacted to you're like well I think that you know I look how I forgot I I don't want to
01:08:27
Abigailmisquote you but you like flexed in the video and yeah they don't want him like this they want him like this you know so I mean I'm still I can be like this with the right guy but guys just always see
01:08:39
Abigailme when I'm out doing my personal training so I look like big scary and strong okay like and then if I go to the grocery store it's usually right after I lift I look big scary and strong and I
01:08:49
Monica (Swedish Bella)don't I don't go out so they don't see me like dressed up and nice or whatever but but but I feel like for men what's feminine is different for everybody yeah like there are guys who like super curvy
01:09:02
Monica (Swedish Bella)women wait can you scoot your mic to the very edge of the table super curvy women with big boobs and everything there are guys who like petite women that don't have any boobs I think it's just you
01:09:13
Monica (Swedish Bella)know the preference of what you know what you like as a man I don't I have guys that like the way I look and I have guys that say I'm a dude because of my voice and you know having a six-pack and
01:09:26
Monica (Swedish Bella)I know I haven't always had that I've weighed 180 lbs so I've been curvier so you know yeah sweet too thank you for the gifted 20 memberships appreciate it um so I think it's just
01:09:39
Monica (Swedish Bella)different for each person what they like and I think if Matt was says We're Men We like this no you're man yes and you
01:09:47
Mason Gregoirelike this but yeah like John over there might not to be fair to Matt I I mean I think there is a grain of Truth and that men do like feminine women we want
01:09:59
Mason Gregoiresomeone who's more feminine than us not I wouldn't go to the extent to say that uh you're like a man cuz you're not I mean from The Limited interaction I've had with you you don't seem to very be
01:10:10
Mason Gregoirevery manly seem to be pretty feminine other than working out and being tall like yeah I I think those are good qualities so like I I wouldn't count that against you but also I think you're
01:10:23
Abigailfeminine yeah I think you're a feminine lady feminine you're dasing I look a little scary when I'm working out but besides point do you are you a grunter um no but
01:10:34
AbigailI I lift really heavy so like I go hard I go hard you do the smelling salts I don't do the smelling Sal okay okay I'm just what's your favorite
01:10:45
Abigaillift at the moment my favorite is probably belt squat at the moment nice I do lots of belt squats and lunges I am a sucker for lunges I know it sounds crazy
01:10:56
Mason Gregoirebut I love lunges yeah usually Psychopaths like lunges I need lunges I struggle there I feel like guys here okay go ahead go ahead and then we'll go to you go ahead I do want
01:11:08
Holly Treatsto point out too I feel like the new way to put down a girl in 2023 going into 2024 is being like Oh my God you're so masculine oh my God you're so in your like masculine energy like I feel like
01:11:21
Holly Treatsthat's almost like a microaggression sometimes where guys will say that just like like sometimes especially when it like seems to be out of nowhere and you're just like wait what did I do to like set you off it's almost like have you been planning on saying this the
01:11:32
TTS/Donationswhole time I mean I mean guys guys guys literally think if they go on just to 989 deled
01:11:41
Monica (Swedish Bella)$100 go s yeah let's go sweet go ahead go ahead guys online thing that we care if they oh you're masculine you're you're trans I'm like I don't care like
01:11:53
Kenderly Ryanreally you you you go online you put this energy into my page saying mean things well and on top of it there is a lot of men who like dominant women like
01:12:04
Kenderly Ryanand then the problem is a lot of men actually I'm a professional Dom I'm also a professional Dom the amount of money I make humiliating men on a daily yeah but they they want to keep that on the DL
01:12:16
Kenderly Ryanexactly but they don't want it from their partner for the most do you think the majority of men want dominant women um almost every very powerful man I've met which I'm not going to release any names
01:12:29
Kenderly Ryanthey always want to get dominated um wait can can you guys Define like dominant what do you mean like where when it comes to sexual they don't want to be in charge at all Haram
01:12:40
Carla Eliaand they also don't mind doing domesticated work but that's more like a sexual thing I don't think it's like in life well they also like to cater to you no that's another thing that I wanted to add right now what
01:12:52
Carla Eliawe're seeing is like The Sassy man era where they also like to I love that no no no there's there's men who in life prefer to have a dominant women so they could do less work that's why there's
01:13:03
Gloria Calderonelike this that's why there's like this I was I was going to say what's your name yours Tik Tok Abigail okay I was going to say um I think it's more of like a
01:13:15
Gloria Calderonedating problem rather than you I think you're very feminine and beautiful and I think any guide would love to date you but I think that we're just in a like dating Crisis crisis I agree with that
01:13:25
Brian Atlasyeah yeah let's go back to the whole Dom thing though what so well I certainly like if there's a you could say there's a lot of men in so
01:13:35
Brian Atlasfar as there's the population of the US is what 330 million people certainly there's there can be a lot I would not say that though that the majority of men
01:13:46
Brian Atlasare into being dominated I would because I know what happens behind closed doors well but that's a you because there's a lot of doesn't mean that it's the majority of men well my exper I don't think it's the majority
01:13:58
Kenderly RyanI think how about this my experience the majority of the people and it is more than especially the powerful men like you guys have no idea the amount of powerful men that do not want that power
01:14:09
Kenderly Ryanespecially at home they are tired of it they need a release they cannot deal with it anymore but that's your clientele so I mean your somewhat SK Cent I don't have a cele I do anything
01:14:21
Kenderly Ryanlike that I mean like I do professional Dom work and I also help people in like gearing what they want they like why do you object to the me using the term because I don't want people thinking
01:14:32
Kenderly Ryanthat I'm like a cortisone or something I don't do that what what do you do yeah I'm professional Dom so you you provide sexual services for money no I do not touch them sexually I do not allow them
01:14:44
Kenderly Ryanto touch me sexually I do not watch them they re sexual gratification nope they're submitting they might get off to it later at home in their head but not in front of me right here absolutely not not or else they can leave that you're
01:14:57
Brian Atlasengaged in sex work I mean you can try absolutely I don't deny that well then so why I'm not I'm not a hooker that's what I'm trying to say I'm not a hooker what's the so you don't have sex with them
01:15:08
Brian Atlasas you are providing some sort of do they unclo themselves in front of you no they're fully clothed yeah well I put them in outfits okay do you do you touch
01:15:18
Brian Atlasdo you touch them no not with my hands with tool do you touch them with whips and Y okay okay um so I mean that is within the per in my that's within the
01:15:29
Kenderly Ryanpurview of sex work yeah I call myself a sex worker all the time but again I do not want that line why do you object to the because I don't want that line cross that I'm having sex with these people for money I do not do that yeah but an
01:15:40
Kenderly Ryanaccountant can have a client I exactly so I just want to make it clear because I've had a lot of people misconstrue that and I don't like it you've never you've never done
01:15:51
Kenderly Ryanum I will like you've never escorted no you've never okay sugar daddies okay so relationships where I benefited from them just like sure just like they benefit from me just like any
01:16:03
Brian Atlasother freaking relationship okay uh let's pull up here let's come back to the video really quick I want to wrap up on that Nick if you pull up the YouTube video I just wanted to read the comments because there's some interesting
01:16:12
Brian Atlascomments on the video on the YouTube video okay uh scroll down poor favor I haven't even read these scroll down can you make
01:16:25
Brian Atlasit a little bigger Nick make a little bigger one he responded yeah uh NOP that's way too big here that's that's one bigger
01:16:35
Brian Atlasplease okay scroll up so we Nick wow can you scroll up please okay the words she's cute but I wish she had more tattoos and piercings has never
01:16:46
Brian Atlasbeen uttered by an emotionally healthy high functioning man ever um speaking as a male that is heavily tattooed and used to work in the tattoo shop I suggest that you never get a tattoo somewhere that can be covered by okay um one thing
01:16:58
Brian AtlasI realized I want a certain man he'll expect oh one thing I realized at 19 if I want a certain man he'll expect me to be a certain way and I'm grateful that being feminine is amazing and uh that's
01:17:09
Monica (Swedish Bella)an interesting one on the on the tattoo front um did you yeah so my my husband is heavily tattooed like heavily and and
01:17:19
TTS/Donationshe says that Derek for Trader donated $100 than relationship requires sacrifice what are you ladies willing to give up to obtain and retain the man of
01:17:30
Brian Atlasyour dreams um here Derek what I want to finish this conversational thread we'll come we'll go around the table we'll come back to that I'm writing a note
01:17:40
Monica (Swedish Bella)here go ahead with your point um and if I say that I I I only have one tattoo and I had it when I was 18 stupidity but he's he literally tells me that he
01:17:50
Monica (Swedish Bella)doesn't want me to get any tattoos anymore because he says that a beautiful uh sculpture should never be painted on with graffiti a lot of women here at the
01:18:02
Monica (Swedish Bella)table tattoo yeah and I was like I have one tattoo like that's the same thing and I was like what so do you hate it like he's like no I don't mean like I mean heavily tattooed yeah that's that's
01:18:14
Abigaila personal preference to yeah it is but I've heard that from do you guys have thoughts on what she just said both of you are quite tatto I my tattoos are I like to think of them as feminine because I get mine
01:18:25
Abigailalmost like feminine tattoos they're very pretty I have very like leafy and floral and like I think they add I don't know they add character to me I love
01:18:37
Monica (Swedish Bella)them and I also think if you Vibe and you love each other and you think you know you're good for each other you see past that because I just when you when you grow when you're older you don't go
01:18:49
Monica (Swedish Bella)like oh my God she has nice tits we're getting married that's not how it works anymore it's more like you have to have a connection you have to get to know somebody you have to see that you have the same values you know you see things
01:19:01
Kenderly Ryanthe same way did you have something on the tattoo thing yeah my ex the my recent ex um he had never dating anyone with tattoo dated anyone with with tattoos especially Havey tattooed said
01:19:12
Kenderly Ryanhe never would but we we had a genuine good connection and that yeah and on top of it I don't give a flying who likes my tattoos or not they're for me so if you don't like them I most likely don't want
01:19:23
Brian Atlasto date you anyway that's not my problem that's yours yeah that's fine I mean I think the thing is I think for most men tattoos aren't necessarily a deal
01:19:34
Brian Atlasbreaker but there's never a instance where I think it's a deal maker for a guy like your tatto tattoo artist look there are some granted there there's
01:19:45
Brian Atlaseven that guy in the comments he was like if he's a tattoo artist he was like yeah don't get a tattoo if you're lady look there's there are some guys who have like a tattoo thing I think they're few and far between but I'd say
01:19:56
Brian Atlasgenerally speaking like your tattoos are never going to typically make you more attractive it's either going to be something that's neutral or for like there's definitely some men out there they're going to interpret it in a
01:20:08
Brian Atlascertain type of way I would will limit the dating pool yeah and I would say that I read something I can't remember what it was something on tattoos but there is something to be said of like people tend to view and this kind of
01:20:21
Brian Atlasties into the masculinity Fe femininity discussion that tattoos can be viewed in a somewhat to some degree a masculine way absolutely so I mean look and the pain like this piece alone was 6 hours
01:20:32
Kenderly Ryanand I had just sit through it and that's that's fine in Dandy again it's my my story is my mom passed when I was 14 I didn't deal with it till I was legally able to so this is what I did I like it
01:20:45
Abigailyou don't like it that's your problem at least I didn't do something worse to my body and I'm not here anymore I'm want to add something sure go ahead um I think think like what you
01:20:55
Abigailsaid guys some guys like the tattoo thing well I've ran into a lot of guys that like tattoos but they like the girl for a short time like they look at tattoos like oh she's going to be fun
01:21:08
Abigailfor a short time and that's been really hard for me too cuz I'm looking for something serious and a lot of guys see me and they're like oh she must like to have fun for a short time and I think a lot of guys look at tattoos like I like
01:21:19
Abigailgirls with tattoos and then they end up getting married to a girl that does not have any tattoos T yeah they like it in the moment yeah well I mean that's a good point yeah a lot of people most
01:21:31
Mason Gregoiretimes when people get tattoos it's very in the moment it's a quick decision not saying that yours are like that but generally speaking when I see someone all tatted up or when I've talked to certain people who are tatted up it's a
01:21:43
Mason Gregoirevery quick decision I just wanted to get a tattoo that day it was something I just felt like doing it seems like it's probably a financially uh irresponsible
01:21:52
Mason Gregoiredecision so I value most men evaluate it that way they're just like so when someone sees a girl who's all tattooed up they're generally thinking they make
01:22:04
Mason Gregoirequick decisions they make irresponsible decisions therefore she's going to make the irresponsible decision to sleep with me yeah so what's the word not spontaneous but it's uh I'm trying to
01:22:13
Brian Atlasthink of the word for no no no no like somebody who uh rashly makes decisions or does thing I'm sportic reactive no no
01:22:22
Background voiceI'm thinking impulsive impul I have BPD that's yesd I have BPD yeah BPD y okay
01:22:31
Brian Atlasso that's one my biggest thing is impulsivity impulsivity yeah yeah and impulsivity is can be proxy for the a potential risk for infidelity MH so very
01:22:45
Mason Gregoiretrue I think there yeah but that goes for every there very yeah yeah they're very like ingrain systems in men so when we view women it might not be at the Forefront of our mind but it's kind of
01:22:55
Mason Gregoireprogrammed into us like these things are not great to see not that uh I can look at you and I see your beautiful lady you like to go to the gym you like to take care of yourself that's important to me I think it's important to men in general
01:23:07
Mason Gregoirethat you take care of yourself you look good um but then there all are those other things that we also take into account is she impulsive um they probably don't know you very well so
01:23:18
Mason Gregoiremaybe they don't know uh that you're not impulsive but a lot of uh the ual cues are saying you might be so it's usually first glance let me just read this chat here derpington Christ is King and the
01:23:30
Brian AtlasLord of lords I'm going to teach my daughter to respect herself and not end up like a 30o selling herself to men that don't care about her powerlifter dude what's your favorite lift oh bro
01:23:40
Mason Gregoireokay my favorite lift right now is um bench my best lift is deadlift by far um but I have most fun benching okay tattooed Missouri chick or whatever are you capable of cooking well also
01:23:52
Brian AtlasChristian virgin dude in Missouri chick how many reps of 225 pounds you got I'm weak with only 25 blessings question mark um can you cook I can cook very well I love to cook I and I bake a lot
01:24:04
Brian Atlasand I cook a lot and I will cook for the man if he loves to eat so all right thank you derpington um what oh how many reps of 225 2 225 on what oh on what
01:24:15
Mason Gregoirebench I'm not hitting 225 on bench no that's a natur oh wait no did he say yeah was didn't generally 225 is bench like like NFL combine is like a bench
01:24:27
Brian Atlassquat right squat okay we'll just say squat um I think last week I hit 225 for 12 rips gotcha nice that's pretty good that's actually really good I'm just going to read this okay we got do all
01:24:38
Brian Atlasright we'll move on docis why do women always think that they know what men should want stop it men like women if you hack Hawk lugies burp and curse like a sailor you'll probably attract Butch
01:24:49
Kenderly Ryanchicks instead of gentlemen are you into that oh yeah I well not into burping and all that but like we never said that we know what donated
01:25:01
TTS/Donations$17 hey ladies when your only skill is attracting guys it's time to develop another one it ages all girls are the same wow okay he's coming
01:25:12
Kenderly Ryanwith all right that's why he's single okay I guess you're single p p mean I'm not only all that I'm a hairdresser I'm a cook I'm a aunt like these people
01:25:23
Kenderly Ryandon't they see us as just just an object which is fine maybe we show ourselves that way we present ourselves that way that's fine the how much does your only fans cost mine $10 a month and I don't
01:25:35
Kenderly Ryanshow anything aren't you objectifying yourself absolutely but aren't you by having a corporate job every day sitting there playing to the man well Brian doesn't have a corporate job it's not the same okay you're still giving your
01:25:46
Brian Atlastime to somebody else I'm sorry it's not the same that's fine my op when but when you say objectifying like you're I think you're talking about something specific well cuz it's what everyone's willing to deal with I'm willing to deal with maybe
01:25:57
Kenderly Ryana lot more than someone else here is and that's fine that's what my threshold is at the end of the day everybody's giving their time and their energy to somebody else for money at the end of the day no
01:26:08
Kenderly Ryanmatter what it is McDonald's workers Starbucks workers car truck drivers whatever yeah but not all jobs are created equally absolutely not that's why it's better to be on my side for me
01:26:20
Holly Treatsfor me because I will say too like the more money it is typically the more you have to sacrifice to like get it like obviously like only fans and like camming and all that stuff like you have to deal with people in their like weird
01:26:32
Holly Treatsforms right like you're basically a therapist that's there to reinforce their mental health issues and not you know what I mean as opposed to a therap a different a real therapist which is designed to help you with your mental health issues and that and and that's a weird service lawyers charge you
01:26:44
Holly Treatsknow what I mean so it's like I don't really want to sit there listening to the things I've had to listen to for hours for like less than a crazy price you know what I mean like I just don't understand why they think we don't know
01:26:55
Monica (Swedish Bella)what we're doing like we're not idiots yeah we know we're fine with it we venture into only fans and be like I'm going to do this oh I have to be naked while like we we're not idiots we know
01:27:08
Monica (Swedish Bella)yeah you guys have agency yeah you guys yeah we know what we're doing and we know what this is and we can choose to do it or not do it but you know and they can have an opinion or not have an
01:27:17
Monica (Swedish Bella)opinion like their opinion is like you know Diamond dozen you know so it's it's fine to to think that we might be you
01:27:28
Monica (Swedish Bella)know not worthy or we might never find a man whatever it is you know but in the end of the day it's we know what we're doing and we know what this is and yeah
01:27:40
Brian Atlaswhat we sign up for if we didn't want to do it we wouldn't yep it's not a must uh we're almost done here with some of the notes on Abigail Abigail you said I've not had the best dating luck you said
01:27:52
Brian Atlasyour first boyfriend cheated uhhuh second one was an alcoholic yep third cheated on you with a man you tell you already told us about that one wow uh you said yeah one of your clients at the
01:28:02
Brian Atlastime was the man he slept with your fourth was long distance yeah uh wasn't terrible but would use scripture as a weapon to manipulate are you are you religious at all or not yes I am okay
01:28:15
Brian Atlaschristianr okay so he would use scripture to manipulate you how so did he ever use Proverbs 2119 that's my go too if I'm trying to manipulate if I'm trying to manipulate a
01:28:28
Brian Atlaslady wait what is it though I don't I've never read the Bible one clearly what what is what's Proverbs oh well Proverbs 21:19 uh better to live in the desert than with a coral nagging wife no he
01:28:39
Brian Atlasnever use that one on me he yo if you're watching dude Good Wife Proverbs 2119 it's my goto job you're a good wife so I can tell you a story and then it'll kind of explain no yeah give us an
01:28:51
Abigailexample of the scripture he's weaponized yeah yeah yeah okay go go it's not it's not a great it's not a great story so just brace yourself okay um so one day
01:29:00
Brian Atlaswe were floating and I had uh some peach rings in the pool rer like a river floating okay Goa Goa gotcha of course we're in California okay we tube yeah
01:29:13
Abigailtubing tubing go ahead go ahead I live in Tennessee so yeah I understand kayak it was good Tennesse Tennessee I love that place Memphis okay guys guys guys
01:29:23
Abigailguys so I had these peach rings and um we were saving ourselves for marriage and uh we came uh back to the truck and he was trying to get kind of sexual with
01:29:36
Abigailme and I was like no I don't really feel comfortable with that and we get back to the apartment and he proposed to me with a peach ring and he said um God said us it's okay we can have sex now like it's
01:29:48
Abigailokay like I promise God said it was fine and I was like he's a man of God he was like really trying to was okay manipulate me and we ended up we ended
01:29:57
Abigailup doing yeah because he had told me like wow God it was fine like we're married now like do you see the the ring on your finger and I
01:30:09
Abigailsugar how old were you I'm not letting you off the hook how old how old were you how old was I yeah this was last last summer we
01:30:21
Abigailliterally talking about getting married like he was going to propose well we end up doing it I told him stop I don't like this I don't feel good we stopped and he goes it's okay cuz I faked it anyway and
01:30:31
AbigailI didn't want to actually propose to you oh my God no way yeah and he was long distance so he literally like went home next day and he live 6 hours away and I
01:30:41
Abigailwas like I feel disgusting and I feel used it was it was you but uh just okay were you a virgin no I wasn't oh why
01:30:51
Abigailwere you into relationship because was important to us to to both of you yes he wasn't either but we decided to go into the relationship we were like you know what we're going to restart we're not going to do this and we weren't like
01:31:04
AbigailBorn Again virgins but we wanted to respect each other and not have sex until marriage at least that's what I thought he wanted and it ended up going down downhill real quick so how long had
01:31:16
Brian Atlasyou guys been dating we were dating for about 8 months then eight months wow that's a long time to hold out I know and I was like what are you proposing we literally live long are we talking like
01:31:26
Brian Atlaswhat Bible verses was he there's Ezekiel 25:17 Psalms 234 oh he would Proverbs 1618 Proverbs 24245 Genesis
01:31:37
Mason GregoireGenesis Genesis you go ahead and try to find them I can't quote them no he probably quoted there's there's a Bible verse that says that uh if you have that burning desire within you you should get
01:31:48
Mason Gregoiremarried so it's in like First Corinthians I think it is huh no so it's like the uh if you feel that overwhelming attraction for your partner then you should go ahead and get married
01:32:01
Abigailcuz that's been awoken in you and you shouldn't sin against your body he was like God he was like God made us one like this is what we're supposed to do like we are one now that I gave you that ring like God told me it was okay and I
01:32:12
Abigailwas like oh he's not a good question no yeah I think you wanted it too though right well in the moment I really wanted to be like married to him and wanted to
01:32:24
Holly Treatsbe with him forever and I trusted him like I gave him that trust and sad so yeah I mean broke it I think do you feel great you got away from a guy who would destroy your trust like that like in my opinion I'm kind of like wow you dodged
01:32:37
Abigaila bullet sis thank God you didn't get married to that guy like know it was yeah it was hard because like I did let him be that spiritual leader in my life and I was like I was really wanting that and he kind of gave me that good manly
01:32:49
Mason Gregoireaffirmation that I wanted and then he just kind of destroyed it so it was really hard for me to like when you say like a good spiritual leader like how was he what was he doing to show you that he was a good spiritual leader um I
01:33:01
Abigailmean when we were together we would go to church together be heavily involved in Church events we would go to family events together he would we would do devotions every night even if it was
01:33:12
Abigailover FaceTime or like in person if we saw each other and uh he bought me devotionals and he would always talk about like getting married and having
01:33:23
Brian Atlaskids and leading the home and doing those things together as a family and as a whole so wait so like Midway through the ACT you're like no no no and then he
01:33:33
Holly Treatswas like I faked he faked his orgasm he faked their proposal oh like he admitted that like I was just doing this so would have SE that totally
01:33:45
Abigailwent over my head he didn't finish I didn't do I started I actually like started crying and he was like oh my God what's wrong and I was like I just want you to stop please I don't want what's
01:33:55
Abigailwrong anymore what's wrong so then you guys broke up like that was it it was no I continue to a oh you what what yeah why did you do that we're not together anymore it only lasted like
01:34:08
Abigailanother month and I was like I was like I really I actually called him cuz he was back at his in his State and I was like um I just don't think this is good for us and I don't think you're in this
01:34:19
Brian Atlaslike right place maturity wise to be with me question for you uh you said for that relationship you were how long ago was that um that
01:34:30
Brian Atlasended New Years I mean I told you oh okay and are you you said for that relationship you were saving yourself for marriage are is that your new standard moving forward I would prefer
01:34:40
Abigailit that way yes well have you had any indiscretions since like have you the guy I was seeing on and off for oh with the older man who's your boss he was was
01:34:51
Abigailyour boss mhm yeah business now as a trainer but he actually owns the gym back home but you guys were having sex yes we were but your standard is you're saving yourself for marriage that's what
01:35:03
Brian AtlasI'd prefer yes you'd prefer but what if you met a guy who's doesn't want that but you like him well then he doesn't have the same standards I do but neither
01:35:13
Abigaildid your previous the person that you had sex with she's grown I mean I I wanted it too I won't say that I won't
01:35:20
Abigailof course I've known him for a very long time so we both we both had been intimate before this year as well I've known him
01:35:32
Brian Atlasfor a very long time as it's called what you you recycled a bodyy recycled what is that recycling I know Missouri they don't have a good
01:35:42
Abigailrecycling system yeah you recycled no you you you have sex with him in the past and you had sex with him again well we never were serious in the past right
01:35:54
Brian Atlasbut then we decided to this time and that was a okay all right I see okay um I'm trying to think if there's anything else here from your notes um can I ask a
01:36:04
Kenderly Ryanquestion go ahead uh with the the crappy Guy Peach ring dude do you think by any chance he was already with other women in the middle of that I had a feeling just because he had sent me like
01:36:16
Abigailscripture about how liars and cheaters would be struck down by God and that I deserved what I got coming for me and I would just and that's right when wait that what struck down liars and cheaters Li liars and cheaters would be struck
01:36:28
Abigaildown by God and I got what I had coming for me and that was right when we broke up so I was like that doesn't make sense like why do you automatically assume that I'm lying and cheating on you just cuz I broke things off with you it just
01:36:41
Abigaildidn't make sense to me so the only pieces I could put together is that he was lying and cheating on his end if he had said that to me what's your gut a woman's gut is always right in my opinion what's Your Gut the girl guts that's what I call them yes what is it
01:36:54
Kenderly Ryanis it yes um I don't it's hard cuz I don't want to view anybody if they had negatively that way absolutely you don't want to put that out absolutely I I respect that a lot that says a lot about a woman yeah
01:37:06
TTS/Donationsokay um I'm just going to move on just because we uh just I'll re-trigger this dere from dere the Trad the trader donated $100 being in a relationship requires
01:37:17
Holly Treatssacrifice what are you ladies willing to give up to obtain and retain the man of your dreams we'll go around the table on this starting with you go ahead easy to to keep to obtain and maintain a man of
01:37:28
Holly Treatsyour dreams like as a woman like I believe that you should like you give up part of your freedom and I'm okay with that cuz that's like the the buy in for a marriage but it's a lot it's a big ask and so it's a big deal okay yeah I would
01:37:41
Carla Eliaactually disagree with that I always say that marriage Set Me Free uh but what I will say is one thing to give up I guess
01:37:51
Carla EliaI think both Partners have to give up but something and sacrifice but I think not being as emotional as I would like to be uh being a little bit more logical
01:38:01
Carla Eliaand not just saying what is on my mind I think that that's what I had to give up being in a relationship but I think that makes sense I I really have a beautiful relationship and it feels like I'm not
01:38:12
Kenderly Ryangiving up much yeah um I mean honestly if I found the right person I wouldn't say I'd do anything for them but we'd have discussions of what made them uncomfortable what things maybe I need
01:38:24
Kenderly Ryanto work on in a relationship CU I'm still work in progress in my opinion everyone is but I did recently get diagnosed with my mental condition and being 32 years old not knowing what's wrong with me all these years and
01:38:36
Kenderly Ryanfinding out I'm realizing I might not be suit for a relationship every time I'm in one I get really mentally ill I'm not okay I'm abusive towards my partners not like I'm verbally abusive and that's not
01:38:48
Kenderly Ryanfair to anyone I should not put them through that yes it was undiagnosed the time but I'm kind of scared to put someone else in that situation cuz I don't want to bring someone else down
01:38:58
Kenderly Ryanthat's again that's not fair that's very selfish so I mean if someone can understand and navigate my mental issues I could be there for them in any capacity I'm very loyal I'm very supportive they wanted me to quit sex
01:39:10
Kenderly Ryanwork absolutely as long as you can pay as much as I can or at least I can still contribute in other manners because I can't not work I have to work yeah so yeah okay so you have to you have to
01:39:20
Mason Gregoirework um I yes you said something right at the end there he has to be making as much as you making uh like we need to both be contributing the same amount I feel if
01:39:32
Mason Gregoirewe're going to do that type of relationship so what if just posing this situation to you what if he's not making his much as okay well what if he just asked that you stop your sex work he's
01:39:44
Kenderly Ryannot making as much as you but he's making enough to where you could still comfortably live absolutely yeah absolutely cuz again my last relationship problem was I was the winner okay and he wasn't working for 2
01:39:56
Kenderly Ryanyears like not even Uber and I kept pushing and pushing and pushing yeah so as if you can like I said match me we can figure it out like I would have supported him until the end of time if
01:40:08
Kenderly Ryanhe was doing housework if he was doing the bare minimum of online jobs 7-Eleven I would have stuck with him because he was a good man and he treated me well we had the same views of what we wanted in the future he couldn't do that if you
01:40:20
Carla Eliacan't put in the same effort I can how am I going to find that attractive and that's your ex right yes correct yes um the same ex who was like Alpha and then he became kind of submissive well would you say that maybe he wanted to break up
01:40:33
Carla Eliawith you but he didn't have the guts to so he just failed miserably so that you could let him go I wish he was so obsessed I think kind of I tried kicking him out many times and he would not
01:40:45
Kenderly Ryanleave yeah from what I'm kind of gathering from the situation I I'm wondering if he stayed for the no no well probably yeah obviously he stay for Mone my mind since but I kicked
01:40:58
Mason Gregoirehim out many times he had other places to go yeah but I think maybe he yeah he stayed for the money obviously but he
01:41:07
Mason Gregoireprobably saw a very masculine uh he saw you taking on a very masculine role and he just kind of submitted to that and it emasculated him and with that said he
01:41:20
Kenderly Ryanallowed it cuz he didn't say you know what babe no you're not going to pay for a dang thing I'm going to go out there and find a job and you won't have to worry about it well why would he you like men are men are okay men are smart
01:41:32
Carla Eliaso one thing that I think a lot of people forget is that a man is extremely toxic men but just men in general humans are all very selfish and that's this is why I always say like ladies always have your boundaries and standards right
01:41:44
Carla Eliabecause they are going to push until you're like no this is it and they are smart in the way they do it and you obviously have a big well I would like to think you have a big heart so he's going and and they know when you're in
01:41:55
Carla Elialove with them so they are going to push and push and push and push until you say no this is the line and for you you know maybe for you it wasn't the line so you kept pushing and pushing and pushing and you see this happen over and over again and then we learn we're like uhuh this
01:42:09
Kenderly Ryanis the last time it's going to happen then hopefully it we don't allow it to happen again absolutely and I agree with you 100% on that I enabled him I do not I take my ownership on this I'm not one
01:42:20
Kenderly Ryanthat's like oh my God poor me no I'm messed up on my parts tooo I was verbally abusive I was not the best partner I could be at the time with that said he had a back problem all the time he couldn't get work because he has a
01:42:33
Kenderly Ryancriminal history there was always an excuse and yes I should have just left once the excuses started piling up ABS freaking like all of the things were there I just you said you were verb verbally abusive how so I don't believe
01:42:46
Kenderly Ryanpeople want to stay in love I have abandonment issues so um if anyone's experienced someone with abandonment issues they're never going to believe that you love them or that you genuinely want to be with them so they're going to put like I'm going to push you away I'm
01:42:58
Kenderly Ryangoing to tell you you don't love me you never did F you and it's not fair and I don't like being that person like that's not who I am so to do it it hurts sure let's I I I want to move on a little bit
01:43:10
Brian Atlasbut I want to get this fully answered from everybody here at the table um so uh what what was it give up and yeah willing to give up to obtain and retain the man of your
01:43:20
Brian Atlasdreams I would give up everything everything everything everything everything everything even what what would a woman give up if
01:43:31
Abigailhe was providing and he was a man of my dreams what if he was like you were not allowed to be a personal trainer anymore I would give it up really wow if he can
01:43:40
Brian Atlasprovide what if you couldn't collect Pokemon cards anymore oh well Dam if he respects me I thought you about to say that's where I draw the line that's the line right there that's where she draws the line line drawn not giving up my
01:43:52
Holly TreatsPokemon I got BL in the oh my gosh I love Pokemon cards so keep them forever oh my God so yeah I would seriously uh go ahead go ahead go ahead there's only one thing I wouldn't give up it's the
01:44:04
Brian Atlasgem the rest can go why would I I'm just I don't know why I the question's a bit interesting because like why why would why would some why
01:44:17
Monica (Swedish Bella)would a guy want you to give up the gym unless it was like there's some feers out there it's always like what do you want to give up what what would you give up like
01:44:29
Mason Gregoirethat question comes from a lot of guys and I always say what are you going to give up yeah it goes both ways right I think I think it's implied guys are
01:44:38
Mason Gregoiregoing to give up generally lots of time effort money um there especially initially starting a dating relationship
01:44:47
Mason Gregoiremen are typically they they carry the burden um which like it yeah yeah they can't they like they're the ones expected to initiate the relationship they're expected to pay for the first
01:44:59
Monica (Swedish Bella)date they're expected to provide all of these things um but to be honest if I find a good man I don't care how much money you make I don't care what you are
01:45:10
Monica (Swedish Bella)and what you do I don't go for looks I go for a Vibe and I go for a person for the vibe for the vi if if I if you know if you're a good person and I see you're a good person and you can take care of
01:45:22
Monica (Swedish Bella)me you can protect me you can be there for me and support me I don't care my husband made Z when we met Zer he was a mus musician struggling yeah I didn't care I don't that's that's not important
01:45:35
Monica (Swedish Bella)to me but if you're a good person you're good to me and you take care of me well you disagree with that Carla don't you I will I will go to the ends of the Earth
01:45:43
Holly Treatsfor you I will jump I also disag I will go straight into the the of yes I will I love you but I can't wait to hear what she say
01:45:57
Carla Eliayeah I wish I wasn't I wish I could agree with that but the matter of fact is absolutely not a woman loses so even yes a woman loses no matter what I think
01:46:09
Carla Eliaat the end of the day yeah they're going to have to put in that sacrifice a bare minimum that's a disagree bare minimum you could do because we okay for me in
01:46:20
Carla Eliamy opinion that's a bare minimum a man is is expected to provide because that's his role that's his role like if we're going to go into uh I guess like
01:46:29
Carla Eliafeminine masculine um and a w and know and a woman and a woman loses like a woman's time is more valuable as well so for me I guess what I'm giving up cuz
01:46:41
Carla Eliayou're giving it up anyway for example I married young I'm giving up my beauty my time my fertile years that's what I'm kind of giving up when I got married
01:46:52
Carla Eliayoung but I wanted to feel protected and I need resources because how am I expected to live off of someone that makes 0 like no if my dad gave me a
01:47:03
Carla Eliaspecific lifestyle and he gave me that protection and all of that why am I going to marry someone that can't give me that or better like life is already hard I wasn't meant to struggle so uh
01:47:15
Brian Atlasthere there was something you said you're to struggle well we have we actually so we have quite a few of your videos that we're going to react to I don't want to dive into into some of the talking points yet because I want to maybe save that uh towards a little bit
01:47:27
Brian Atlaslater I do want to try to get through everybody else's thing but uh on the question I do want to I think you answer did you answer do you have an answer for the question if you need me to pull it up I wouldn't Define it as a sacrifice
01:47:38
Annabecause I think if it's your person and you like pretty much aligned everything can be discussed and you can find a common ground so in my relationship we've been four years together we are
01:47:49
Annavery different we've been like fighting in my like on many grounds but the only thing we sacrificed both of us is only our freedom anything else which just
01:48:01
Gloria Calderonefound a common ground on okay what about you I like I was going to say the same thing I don't think it's sacrifice I think that um there's things that you just naturally want to give up you know
01:48:13
Gloria Calderoneonce you get into that relationship so it's not really sacrificed to me you know that's it yeah I agree okay so I want to move to my pre show notes Here
01:48:23
Brian Atlasfor Holly Holly here uh and you said in your pre-show notes and on the show you you said you're in a dating talking stage with multiple men currently we kind of already went over that you uh
01:48:34
Holly Treatslet's see you are currently a coup's unicorn yeah is that one of the three people that um I don't really I wouldn't say they're on the roster that's just more kind of like a wild thing that
01:48:46
Brian Atlashappens every once in a while yeah so you wrote I'm a couple I'm a couple's unicorn from seeking arrangements and recent went to a sex club and I accidentally ran into a bunch of people I know so for
01:48:57
Holly Treatsthose of for those watching who don't know what that is what is a unicorn a unicorn is kind of like if you're a couple sometimes there's a thing where couples want to have a threesome really
01:49:07
Holly Treatsbad and it's really hard for them to like TH or even like give attention like share the attention or whatever and it's hard for couples who want to be together to create that situation in a way that
01:49:19
Holly Treatswon't threaten the relationship however there are people out there that are kind of like hey I don't want your relationship I am just here for this time right for this moment and so we went to this sex club in La for
01:49:31
Holly TreatsHalloween they were having like a big Halloween party um and then I ran into a bunch of people from work and I kind of like didn't really think it through didn't think what through like when I agreed to go to the party I
01:49:43
Holly Treatsreally didn't like think through oh yeah I probably actually will know at least seven people at this party that I like work with how do I feel about them all knowing and and then I like my style has
01:49:54
Holly Treatsalways been like well we're doing this now so I'm committing to what I'm doing and I'm not going to cross over my boundaries but I'm I'm in this right and I'm going to own it and have as most fun
01:50:05
Holly Treatsas I can but it was weird it was wait when you said your your work but aren't you I mean you no like I saw other content creators there like other girls with millions of followers being like Oh hey girl I see
01:50:18
Holly Treatsyou on Instagram all the time for the past any of the people cuz it's a sex club so like did you hook up with any of the the people so this particular sex club I'm not that big of a fan of because it's more of a
01:50:29
Holly Treatspro honestly this it's more of a performance and a place that you go to watch the performers and the people who probably paid to go there and then definitely people like me like if I know
01:50:41
Holly Treatsthere's paid performers there getting paid to perform naked acts I don't want to be doing naked a for free while someone else is getting paid I'm sorry I'm just not I don't care how fun it is right like I'm just not going to lower myself to that level
01:50:53
Holly Treatsso for me it's a weird dynamic to go to sex clubs because it's kind of like honestly like once you've seen one you've seen a lot right so I'm kind of like okay you've been to them before yeah I've been to sex clubs before but I have never gone with a couple that I was
01:51:05
Holly Treatsseeing and then ran into like a bunch of people that I really people just at the sex club some people do there are people that are just at the sex club there are performers at the sex club that are kind of like there to do
01:51:17
Holly Treatsthings if the normal people aren't and to kind of like I think set the mood but for me it just seems very produced so I don't really ever go to those things planning on having sex but it's still like have you though um I have when I
01:51:29
Holly Treatswent to like the swingers Island in Mexico when I have I have that really note definitely did it Singer Island um I've kind of gotten a little bit like well what tell us what swingers island is there's a couple resorts in Mexico
01:51:42
Holly Treatsthat are like full participation swingers Resorts you can go and just be naked you can go and just watch people have sex or you can go and have sex with however many people are there right mhm I went and participated a little bit I
01:51:54
Holly Treatswas with this like boyfriend that was my rebound guy participated a little bit yeah like I hooked up with like four guys and their wives so like eight people total and and it was a really cool experience that I wanted to have like I had a lot of specific things
01:52:07
Holly Treatswhere I'm like yeah I want to like check the these on my list um and it was cool but since then I'm kind of like okay I don't really need to do that again so like that's that's that that's off the list did you only go to a swinger Island once yes it was that one time that one
01:52:19
Holly Treatstime and then I checked out other clubs but didn't really participate so that's eight eight people yeah in one in one night um it's like we were it's there how long were you there for we were there for 3 days and it was for this
01:52:31
Holly Treatslike event so basically everyone I think was kind of like okay we have this weekend so like to to do whatever there's a lot of people there that are just like watching and kind of like it's not all yeah were you there she proba
01:52:44
Holly Treatsbeen to play so wait you said the first night Sor eight people what about the subsequent days none none yeah it was like you front loaded front loaded and I
01:52:56
Holly Treatswas like okay cool I'm done front loaded now I'm just in Mexico yeah I was like I don't think I need to have sex for like a while after this like I'm good yeah can I ask something I don't know if it's appropriate or not but I've always wondered how that works when I
01:53:11
Gloria Calderonethought I was close you're fine you're fine keep going keep going um I always wondered how that works when you know like you know when you're having casual sex you want to protect yourself right to not catch something so how do you how does that work when you have to go back and forth between people
01:53:23
Holly Treatsyou use condoms and if they don't I don't really need to them that bad right like so it's kind like if you're not going to protect yourself up to my standards I don't want your I honestly say no to most people anyway so I'm kind of I know but I'm saying let's say like
01:53:36
Holly Treatsthere's a guy and he's going between you and another chick I don't do that oh okay that's disgustingly unsanitary I would never do that and sometimes what people will do if and the people who do it on camera are tested and everyone
01:53:48
Holly Treatsknows that there's nothing wrong but honestly I don't want your yeast or bacter like whether it's an STD or not I just don't want your coties like not yours but like anyone's you know what I mean
01:53:59
Kenderly Ryanlike well what I when I've had three sums with my ex Partners we've changed the condoms and then as far as and I know this isn't going to stop but there's um what's it called spermicide right so he goes into the bathroom
01:54:12
Holly Treatswashes do that and then he comes back but then that creates the same problem though because it's like chemicals I know but it's chemicals throwing off your floor like I don't want a bad vagina day I guess that's what it comes down to like and men have no idea what
01:54:24
Holly Treatswe're talking about but literally like you like you can just wake up and be like I ate too much sugar this week and I just like don't like it's like you don't even know what it feels like because it's like in between our abs and like our back but it like it just kind of like hurts sometimes you know if