Broke Men Should NOT Date?! She HATES America?! Husband CRASHES Show! | Dating Talk #121
Date: 2023-11-27
Duration: 7h 17m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Kenderly Ryan(guest)
SPEAKER_03Abigail(guest)
SPEAKER_04Carla Elia (overlap)(guest)
SPEAKER_05Carla Elia(guest)
SPEAKER_06Monica (Swedish Bella)(guest)
SPEAKER_07Anna(guest)
SPEAKER_10Gloria Calderone(guest)
SPEAKER_11Mason Gregoire(guest)
SPEAKER_12Dustin (Carla's husband)(guest)
SPEAKER_13Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_14Holly Treats(guest)
Key Moments
00:02:39
QuoteHolly Treats introduces herself as full-time content creator since 2015 including OnlyFans
“hi my name is Holly treats I'm 28 years old and I live in Los Angeles and I've been a full-time content creator since 2015”
00:03:02
QuoteCarla Elia introduces herself as relationship coach who went viral for controversial stance
“hello my name is Carla Eli I'm 23 years old and I'm a relationship coach and I live in San Diego”
00:03:38
QuoteKenderly Ryan introduces herself as adult film star of 14 years who now manages performers
“I'm kenderly Ryan um I am 32 years old I am from Los Angeles California and I I'm an adult film star of 14 years and I also now started managing lovely women”
01:45:10
QuoteMonica reveals her open marriage is only open for pegging
“the thing is he's not into it right into what the pegging part um wait is it you guys got an open marriage yes only for pegging”
03:59:00
ControversyKenderly's tweets read on air: 'white people don't have culture' and 'it's not racist for black women to humiliate white men'; she stands by both
“I still stand by that very strongly. It's not racist for black women to humiliate white men. That's how I feel. It's called reparations for your ancestors.”
04:48:12
QuoteHolly refuses to share body count saying she 'never reveals her secrets'
“Holly treats I've got I put a lot out there so there's plenty of find other than body count you should put a little more out there”
04:49:30
QuoteKenderly declines to give body count number but gives range: ~50 professional scenes + 50-100 private partners, sexually active since age 13
“I've done about 50 scenes and I've had about 50 to 100 private Partners okay I became sexually active at 13”
04:52:12
QuoteAbigail shares body count of ~14 and expresses regret about not respecting herself
“it's 28 I used to not have very good respect for myself when I was younger and I wish I would have gone back in Ma and hold my younger self respect yourself”
04:58:00
QuoteMonica shares body count of 25-30 and reveals it stemmed from seeking validation due to abusive mother
“probably between 25 and 30 like I'm 40 but also I was in a bad place when most of that happened I my mom was super abusive so I just tried to find love wherever I could”
04:59:00
QuoteKenderly says body count 8 then laughs it off
“eight I'm not so interesting okay”
04:59:42
QuoteMason (SPEAKER_11) reveals body count of zero as a 27-year-old virgin
“Mason oh yeah uh zero Z zero Z hand Z Henderson okay good for you”
05:05:06
QuoteCarla rates herself as 'average' to be relatable to her followers
“I was going to say that I was average too I think I'm I'm an average and just because if I'm average and I can get this life that I have then all the other ladies can have the same thing”
05:11:42
QuoteCarla states her position on broke men: absolute — broke men at 30+ should not be dating
“absolutely broke men like financially and mentally sure... if you're 31 40 and you're still broke there's something wrong with you”
05:14:42
QuoteCarla reveals she was a virgin before marriage, which explains her high standards stance
“she was a virgin before she met her husband so I think that's why they said it because they paid attention that she was a virgin before”
05:59:36
QuoteDustin (Carla's husband) introduces himself: ex-Navy, 25, aspiring police officer
“so tell us a little bit about yourself Dustin... I'm uh 25 uh just recently got out of the military... I've been in the process for going on to the police force for about a year now uh should be going in in January”
06:07:48
QuoteDustin describes household dynamic diplomatically when asked if he's under a dictatorship
“I do not think I'm under a dictatorship I I run my household okay uh she just makes the food and uh points me in the right direction”
06:10:30
QuoteDustin describes realizing Carla was different when she refused to hold his hand on first date
“I knew I knew this was a different breed of woman”
Topics Discussed
00:00:22
Introductions and relationship statuses
Guests introduce themselves: Holly Treats (28, LA, content creator/OnlyFans since 2015), Carla Elia (23, San Diego, relationship coach, viral for 'broke men' stance), Kenderly Ryan (32, LA, adult film star 14 years/manager), Abigail (22, Missouri, personal trainer), Monica Swedish Bella (40, Sweden/LA, bikini competitor/OnlyFans/former teacher), Anna (26, Ukraine, 4 years in USA, actress/ecommerce), Gloria Calderone (31, New York, real estate investor), Mason Gregoire (27, mech engineer/powerlifter/Christian). Relationship status round follows.
00:06:26
Relationship status and dating styles round
Holly: single, dating 3 men (2 long distance), recently had someone fall off her roster. Carla: married 1.5 years, virgin before marriage. Kenderly: single 5-6 months, female FWB situationship, also sleeping with 2 men currently. Abigail: single ~1 year, sees someone 6 months (on/off). Monica: married 6 years (slid into DMs). Anna: married, met 4 years ago, married 3 months after meeting. Gloria: married within 4 months of meeting. Mason: single, virgin saving for marriage.
00:27:00
Open relationships, polyamory, and Monica's pegging arrangement
Monica reveals her marriage has an open arrangement for pegging only. Discussion of what constitutes an open marriage and emotional vs physical boundaries.
03:59:00
Kenderly's controversial tweets about white people and America
Brian reads Kenderly's tweets: 'white people don't have culture' and 'it's not racist for black women to humiliate white men'. Kenderly stands by both statements. Group debate on cultural appropriation, double standards, and whether statements are racist. Kenderly says she's half-Mexican. Monica (Polish) and others push back.
04:24:00
Body count discussion and double standards
Brian asks everyone to share body count. Holly refuses. Kenderly gives range (~50 scenes + 50-100 private, sexually active since 13). Abigail: ~14 (by graduation, mostly from 2-month phase at 16-17; regrets it). Monica: 25-30 (most from period of seeking validation due to abusive mother). Gloria: declines (husband watching). Mason: 0. Anna: declines. Debate on double standards for male vs female body count, whether men with high counts can expect low counts, and whether hookup culture is harmful.
05:03:22
Self-ratings (looks 1-10)
Ratings round. Holly: 7 average, can dress to 10. Carla: average/5 (doesn't want to say 10 to be relatable to her followers). Kenderly: 5 appearance, 10 personality. Abigail: 6. Monica: 5 (self-described). Gloria: 8. Mason: 7.5-8. Brian: 5 (gained weight, downgraded from 6).
05:08:36
Carla's viral content reviewed — 'broke men shouldn't date'
Brian reviews Carla's news articles (New York Post, The Mirror, The Sun) and multiple TikTok videos. Carla explains her position: men with provider mindset should show their resources naturally; broke men at 30+ have limiting beliefs and should focus on finances first; women are precious investments. Discussion involves all guests on whether broke men should date/marry/have children. Carla advocates being a virgin and rotational dating without intimacy.
05:46:48
OKCupid attractiveness data and male/female rating disparities
Brian shows OKCupid chart: men rate women on a bell curve while women rate 80% of men as unattractive. Discussion of why women are harsher judges of male attractiveness and how this affects dating marketplace dynamics.
05:50:00
Dating logistics: men working 60-70 hours, submission, and love languages
Discussion of whether women can handle men working very long hours for high income. Monica says she needs her man at home. Carla says women should have their own life alongside a wealthy man. Love language discussion: Monica and Anna both say acts of service/cooking are how they express love to husbands. Brian and Mason discuss appreciating wives' cooking regardless of quality.
05:59:36
Husband Dustin crashes the show
Carla's husband Dustin (ex-Navy, 25, aspiring police officer) joins the panel mid-show. Describes meeting Carla on Bumble, first coffee date (she's allergic to alcohol), spontaneous Denny's and meeting her family. He showed her his finances/credit score/savings on third date. Says 'I knew this was a different breed of woman' when she refused to hold his hand on first date. Describes household as: 'I run it, she makes the food and points me in the right direction.'
06:08:00
Rotational dating debate
Brian and Carla debate rotational dating concept. Brian prefers undivided romantic attention immediately. Carla clarifies rotational dating means spending time with multiple men without intimacy or kissing. Dustin confirms he was fine with it because Carla was clearly not being promiscuous. Monica shares she had no idea how to date after an 11-year relationship ending and found long-distance courtship via Skype valuable.
06:39:00
Protective husband video (Carla's TikTok)
Brian plays Carla's TikTok about asking a man what he would do if a fight broke out — is he the type to pull out his phone or fix it? Dustin responds to the video about himself, saying he would assess the situation for his family's safety and take video evidence for police if appropriate. Carla says knowing her husband would protect the family is the most attractive thing.
Transcript
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01:54:37
Holly Treatsyou're if you're off the hurts the hurts like you could just or the uterus I guess it's like your entire thing but like yeast infections and stuff like that like guys think a bad day A bad day right like
01:54:49
Holly Treatsit's guys think yeast infections are just these things complain about but they're really painful and so I want to go to extreme lengths to avoid them do
01:54:58
Brian Atlasyou have bad penis days no they don't I've had bad hold on bad penis or balls days I I'm just I've had like ball pain
01:55:07
Brian Atlasyou yes all day you know no there's like a twoe period where my balls just kind of hurt you know yeah they do you ever talk about that I I saw a doctor and they said it was okay he said it's fine
01:55:19
Brian Atlasokay then you guys have bad penis dayso I you what happened I was surfing I was surfing and like the the water like hit me in just like the right the weird way
01:55:30
Holly Treatsjust parted them like more a bruise more it was like double overhead yeah because someone punched our vagina like
01:55:40
Holly Treatsours happens because our it's like our acid Bas is I was say it's like just your pH level you know Red Sea girl it's like have you ever had allergies when your throat gets ishy or like your ears
01:55:52
Holly Treatsget like inflamed and it feels like pressure and it's not itchy but it's like pressure you know what I mean it's like that's it it's like hard to describe but it's like when your floor is off it just you feel like not good yeah like yeah and every every
01:56:05
Gloria Calderoneeveryone's different like I had a girlfriend she would if she didn't like wash up like right away after like sex like she would yeah or pee she would get
01:56:15
Monica (Swedish Bella)um a UTI right away so I have to pee I'm like okay don't when when you train a lot at the gym what the huh when you train a lot like you know tight clothes
01:56:26
Brian Atlasat the gym yeah I mean she ain't happy okay anyway it's so easy to upset the princess not today not today okay all right so you said that uh wait okay
01:56:39
Brian Atlasthere's a swinger Island okay we talked about that you wanted to talk about traditional and transactional relationships or you said I can talk about traditional and transactional relationships all day good and bad I'm also from a culture that still does
01:56:51
Brian Atlasarranged marriages and my mom has been working with this actor's mom Al Alden Alden Alden Arin Reich from Oppenheimer and a bunch of stuff to try to get us to go out and neither he and I want to date
01:57:04
Brian Atlaseach other but our moms are hardcore pushing it uh so you mentioned AR rrange marriages from your culture what culture I'm Jewish okay is that is that a thing for to do the super Orthodox culture it
01:57:15
Holly Treatsis and I wasn't raised that way however I am in LA and so sometimes it's like you never know what kind of like background these other moms have where they're kind of like oh wow my son has blue eyes and blonde hair and we want
01:57:27
Holly Treatsyou to make blue-eyed and blonde haired babies with him and he's dating a girl who's not Jewish and I would like you a lot more for him okay and it's kind of like this weird thing where I'm kind of like okay that's cool but like we're not doing that
01:57:38
Holly Treatsso but it but I it it does make me kind of more woke I guess to like what you
01:57:46
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01:57:58
Holly Treatsthis outbreak will be controlled did they realized dude are you making like actual violent threats on YouTube three out of like he just look at that he just sent the dud this guy is actually
01:58:08
Kenderly Ryanpromoting terrorism on YouTube areic like more people have herpes than you also know it's the statistics are insane question I just think it's kind of crazy that Jay Butler wants to use
01:58:20
Monica (Swedish Bella)violence like this like some I'm not sure if he's actually what go I have a question who hurts you all I want to know who hurt you with
01:58:31
Holly Treatsherpes it's okay dude Li yeah I mean obviously has it sad likeor Laing Miss he's a medical
01:58:39
Mason Gregoiredoctor what's Jay's but Butler's a job yeah like a urologist urologist oh so we know him okay mhm but then why are you like causing physical harm to people aren't you supposed to like save lives
01:58:51
Monica (Swedish Bella)it's that a doctor that is very respected will come on YouTube and be a c
01:59:00
Holly Treatsoh be a I don't know like I think he I didn't I would never go to see a doctor like that he's a big Tipper that so the show really appreciates your input thank
01:59:11
Holly Treatsyou's he's our residence expert heres I didn't catch like the uh the call to violence on his part what was it he feels very passionate about the fact that people think that they're safe from
01:59:23
Kenderly Ryanherpes with condoms and they're not and nobody said that condom 95% accurate we all I can't speak for everyone here I get tested two times
01:59:33
Brian Atlastwo times a month at most if I have Partners every new partner I test and I know herpes can't show right away you do porn yes you both of you yeah the thing is though is that they my understanding
01:59:45
Brian Atlasat least for the you guys are in the sfv correct what sfv San fernan Valley that's where filming is there Vegas and Miami they don't I my understanding at least here in California it's not requisite
01:59:57
Background voicethat they test for herpes or HPV actually fun fact you can't really test for herpes unless having an outbreak so they can't test for it on a test so and can't you just get it if there's an
02:00:07
Brian Atlasoutbreak absolutely no we've had we've had a girl on the show who does porn and she has herpes yeah a lot of almost everyone does but no one will say it they it's like this hidden secret in the industry like because it's still frowned
02:00:20
Kenderly Ryanupon in society so because it's still upon in society everybody's afraid to say it even though a cold sore is hsv1 well yeah but there's genital and that's hsv2 and there's also dormant forms of it where you're not passing it on and
02:00:33
Brian Atlasyou can take medicine where you don't pass it on yeah but I think it's kind of a bad look yeah it absolutely is I literally go un rant about that no but people are in the industry and they continue to work in the industry despite
02:00:44
Kenderly Ryanthe fact that they're uh herpes positive yes and they another thing they should do is if you are herpes positive you should be able to the option to choose to want to work with that person or not
02:00:55
Kenderly Ryanand because they do offer that for people who are HIV positive so okay wait so there's people that are still working in porn that are H they undetectable and I do not want to get into that stigma because I am very strong about that I
02:01:07
Kenderly Ryancan't there if you're undetectable you cannot pass it if your if your levels are under like a certain amount you cannot pass it on I don't want to play with fire well that's that's your choice though I think I'd rather not I have
02:01:19
Kenderly Ryanenough problems in my life without getting choice but there's some people who like me who I do all that research and I'm not saying I go around and I'm like hey do you have HIV let's no but I'm not going to discriminate against you if you're taking care of
02:01:32
Kenderly Ryanyour body you're working out you're eating right you're not drinking you're not doing drugs I would discriminate I discriminate if you have hi that's everyone's if you have HIV I you know wish you the best I would be really hypocritical to judge somebody else
02:01:45
Kenderly Ryanconsidering everything else I do and isn't there like a pill now that avoid you do porn oh okay I thought like I put myself technically at risk every time I film so it' be really ironic and really
02:01:56
Kenderly Ryanfreaking like controversial be like you have HIV no oh but I'm going to go three more guys this week have fun does does the pill um stop you from giving it or from getting it from giving Oh no
02:02:09
Brian Atlasyou're talking about prep I don't know prep is where you take it to prevent getting it yes you can what going back to you hly you have a tweet of yours we I'm not going to pull it up we're not pulling this one up Nick um is it bad no
02:02:22
Brian Atlaswell you I I just saw one of your tweets no no no you just said advice to the men strong feminine women will submit to you as their Alpha if you prove to them that you can give them a better life than they can give themselves but it's
02:02:33
Holly Treatsactions not words yeah yeah that is true like I don't want to be told how alpha you are if I can just feel your Vibe you don't need to say anything to I'll just know it's pretty lame to if a guy calls
02:02:44
Holly Treatshimself Alpha I I mean a the guys that I'm going for aren't really running around calling themselves Al Alpha that cuz you just present yourself you're respectful just feel that it's
02:02:57
Holly Treatslike granted this yeah exactly you can just feel the male energy and so I truly believe that and honestly like I've met a lot of guys like that so I don't want to hear that it's like not real because it's definitely real that guys are have
02:03:09
Monica (Swedish Bella)strong enough male presence that you're just like okay yeah that is very true being being Alpha is nothing that you as you said it's not something you wear in your T-shirt and be like I'm Alpha
02:03:18
Monica (Swedish Bella)that's it's something that a woman sense in you and she chooses to submit to that you know to you as as as her man sure
02:03:29
Brian Atlasokay uh I I I mean I had some notes on that so um what's your what's your take on what on on on your Tweet well I
02:03:40
Brian Atlaswonder though like so okay so you're engaged in sex work um do you think that that has been a challenge for you to
02:03:49
Brian Atlasfinding these types of good men that you would be prepared to submit to maybe you have I don't know no and oddly this has been something that's kind of been something actually that like you hear
02:04:01
Holly Treatsguys say but I didn't really think it was true but it's it's true there is this like brand of guy out there that's very that is probably he's not going to be faithful to you right like he's not
02:04:14
Holly Treatsgoing to be faithful to you he's probably high performing in every area of his life he's probably doing everything to the most right and with that comes some some things but he might also be a very he might be high performing as being a provider he might
02:04:26
Holly Treatsbe high performing as being a father right he might be high performing and all these other things that it's kind of like hey if I'm going to be with somebody for the rest of my life like yeah I do want him to be a provider I do want him to be a father I don't
02:04:38
Holly Treatsnecessarily like the person who I'm going to who I would have kids with like if we broke up that's kind of the requirement like if we broke up I would still want you to be my kid's dad you know what I mean so I'm looking for the
02:04:49
Holly Treatsguy where it's like regardless of like what happens with us like you a have good genetics right and you're going to you're going to give me a great little leader baby one day you know what I mean who's going to take over the world and
02:05:01
Holly Treatsthen be it you're going to show up for the kid and you might go out and do stuff right but like my main concerns are that I don't have to be the one being like oh back to the salt mines right like back to only fans now that I've had a kid right like I better
02:05:13
Holly Treatsgo like figure it out like no we are not if I ever get pregnant I will know for a fact that I will not have to work and we'll have it terms like wait so when you get pregnant you don't
02:05:24
Holly Treatswant oh did you have sorry no it was me about the kid thing and Alpha but I'll let her oh yeah that's just my personal opinion cuz so when you have kids you don't want you want to stop working or I don't want the pressure to I probably
02:05:37
Holly Treatswill never stop working because I get bored and I like to do things and I like to see my ideas manifest themselves but I don't want this pressure of kind of like okay I have to figure out how to
02:05:47
Holly Treatspay rent now while I'm also like dealing with this like maybe like child right that's like you have to take care of like that's a lot of pressure and I know women do it I don't want to be one of those women you said you're currently
02:05:59
Holly Treatsdating three high value men correct in my opinion but do you want commitment one of them no no one of them it's still super new but I'm kind of
02:06:10
Holly Treatslike okay you at least like check out and I like the things that I'm looking for about you but it's still super new to say whether or not you know what I mean it's these are like six months long distance like
02:06:22
Brian Atlasthat's not very of seeing each other maybe like three times in between talk you know it's like I'm still kind of figuring out yeah and just to go back to your Tweet you said advice to the men strong feminine women will submit to you as their Alpha if you prove to them that you can give them a a better life than
02:06:35
Brian Atlasthey can give themselves but it's actions not words so I guess my question is and I don't know if you're speaking more in general terms or is this almost
02:06:45
Holly Treatsfrom the lens of since you're involved in sex work um I mean actually generally so my mom and dad have been married for like 50 years are they still married yeah they're still married they've been
02:06:56
Holly Treatsmarried for 50 years they're amazing right they're really normal people my brother's really normal people I'm the I'm the black sheep and I know it and that's kind of why I own it cuz everybody's like we she's one of us
02:07:07
Holly Treatsright you know and so but my dad is that Alpha Man to my mom my mom has not worked this entire time and I know it's a different generation and their Boomers and their financial situation was
02:07:17
Holly Treatsdifferent but like that is my modeling and I'm okay having to give that to myself like I'm okay having to give myself the things that my Dad gives my mom but I am looking for a guy to give that to me and in return I will build
02:07:29
Monica (Swedish Bella)the amazing home that my mom built sure I have I have a question on that did you have something yeah touch on the kid thing uh I had actually um a prominent guy a friend a friend of M we
02:07:41
Monica (Swedish Bella)we were discussing stuff and we were discussing a a mutual gy a mutual gym friend um that would make half of the girls at the gym pregnant the whole time
02:07:51
Monica (Swedish Bella)he would just be like YOLO and finishing in them without condoms based and I was like this is um this is very odd to me because that's disrespectful wait did he actually wait hold on yeah he literally
02:08:03
Monica (Swedish Bella)said it yolo literally wait he got he actually got them pregnant yeah and then had them to do abortion just to be clear I don't think that's high value Behavior get no it's not that's not that's that's not it's not my friend
02:08:14
Monica (Swedish Bella)we're talking about it's Behavior we were talking about him and I was like this is not okay because this is not good he's like well you know if you think about it that way if you see
02:08:25
Monica (Swedish Bella)somebody that is a like a high value woman which you can see that she will give you good Offspring and he sees himself as a high value man that can
02:08:35
Monica (Swedish Bella)produce good Offspring why not and I'm like do I have to draw you a picture why not it's like you can't just run around impregnating people as you feel like it and the other thing too unless if you're
02:08:47
Holly TreatsElon Musk or a guy that is Rich enough to actually need an error you don't need to do this right so it's like I know for a fact that it's weird like I have this weird maybe I have the same weird sick fantasy that like they do right where I'm like yeah we'll build this little
02:09:00
Holly Treatsarmy Empire that will like save the world one day yeah you know I don't know or there'll be a superhero or something I I will use my mom Powers right to like make sure that this kid is like something amazing and Saves the World so
02:09:12
Monica (Swedish Bella)it's kind of like I don't want to have kids and settle if it's not like that I understand where he comes from though about that like couple being you know good for each other and producing nice children but you can't impregnate every
02:09:24
Mason Gregoirewoman you see yeah not every woman is the right person yeah well I mean the the act of having a kid is easy but the act of raising a kid is extremely
02:09:34
Mason Gregoiredifficult so uh if you ask a man to be high value to invest in you and okay Butler donated
02:09:44
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02:09:54
Monica (Swedish Bella)created you should just like instead of doing all this thank I'm really excited for that answer I mean at least he's paying right yeah bring he's got some good story
02:10:07
Brian Atlaslines I I think he's going somewhere with us tell him to contact screener he's a screenwriter I think also on the side in addition to beautiful for him in addition to being your urologist well so um you said your parents are still
02:10:20
Holly Treatstogether what do your parents think think of of you being involved in sex work so for me it's different because honestly like with the camming and the only fan stuff my brother's a video game
02:10:31
Holly Treatsdesigner so and then my dad did marketing and so this is kind of like all and then everyone either does e-commerce or other forms of Marketing Online so it's just not really like I know it's different for other people but
02:10:43
Holly Treatsfor us it's kind of like okay this is like not that different than what the other it is it's pretty different I mean I'm the I'm the hot one too right I mean I have other pretty cousins and stuff but I was the one that decided to be
02:10:55
Holly Treatslike you know what I'm not scared to put myself out there like this and I wasn't born hot either so it's kind of like it definitely was a conscious choice to try what do you mean you weren't born hot I I wasn't born hot that's are you talking about like plastic surgery yeah like
02:11:07
Holly TreatsI've definitely no not just that though but eating healthier and like learning to do my makeup better like I just like you get better right mhm I I'm looking at the girls on you definitely yeah you definitely there's this like thing that
02:11:19
Holly Treatsmen like in men's Minds where like youth is beautiful but but the truth is though like you do actually learn how to have better style and like do yourself better and classier and like look better when you're older cuz you're not green at it
02:11:31
Brian Atlaswell yeah I mean I think as you age you typically over the course of time you become less physically attractive this whole I was way uglier
02:11:43
Brian Atlaswhen I was younger not even and I confirmed you're 40 40 you're 40 yes so let me ask you a question are you more physically attractive now at 40 than you were at
02:11:55
Brian Atlassay 20 I can tell you dude you would not look at me when I was in my 20s I can you show me I highly doubt that but how about when you're 30 I think are you
02:12:05
Monica (Swedish Bella)more attractive I'm more attractive now well I would say I put because I am 40 you you as a woman have to take more care of yourself because you know you
02:12:15
Monica (Swedish Bella)get older and you want to stay goodlook I'm not saying that I want to look like a 25-year-old that's not what I'm saying or 15year old but I do want to feel uh comfortable in my own body and I want to
02:12:26
Monica (Swedish Bella)feel healthy and good so you you do more for yourself the older you get you you know you eat healthier you work out more maybe you you know you go a little Botox
02:12:36
Holly Treatsyou do this you did that we're women and we want to stay pretty maybe also eating fat has a lot to do with it like in high school a lot of girls are going through like weird eating stuff so for me a big
02:12:47
Holly Treatsreason why I look better now is because I eat a diet that has like a lot of healthy fats and in high school I had this weird like no I'm never going to eat any fat like I have a fat free diet and now my skin is straight up like I
02:12:58
Holly Treatslook 10 years younger now like in high school everyone thought I was 21 and now and now it's like yeah go ahead what do you have okay so in all honesty I think that in their 20s I mean at least on a
02:13:10
Gloria Calderonepersonal level I definitely think I'm on my in my best shape like I have a curvier body um and I work out whatever um and like you said you do learn to take you know your style I do think we
02:13:20
Gloria Calderonereach to peek I think that that's probably around like your late 30s and I think from there uh Peak atate I'm like
02:13:31
Gloria CalderoneI and I'm not I'm not disagreeing I'm not saying everybody just say that I'm saying like I think that that's like our Max that we can
02:13:40
Holly Treatsreach and then we start and you want to know I'm not going to so let me just say a woman I'm going to be like a little
02:13:49
Gloria Calderonetin forever but a you think the a woman's Peak Physical beauty is late 30s I think I think if a woman really takes care of themselves they can really like push their beauty to like you know I
02:14:02
Brian Atlasmean like I look at JLo and like there was a point in in JLo's like 40s where I was like she's hotter than a lot of 20-year-olds that I know I mean I mean like listen but was she hotter at 20
02:14:12
Gloria Calderonethan was at 40 but but this is the thing no no no but JLo is just very different because she's always like taking care of herself I'm saying like some women like
02:14:22
Gloria CalderoneI know a lot of friends from high school that reached their peak in high school yeah and and now I look at them and like you know I'm sorry I don't mean to bash people but like I look at them and they
02:14:35
Gloria Calderonejust didn't take care of themselves and they had beautiful body and now they're they gained a lot of weight you know they just stopped caring so I think it's different for every woman but I think that if you really care about your
02:14:46
Gloria Calderonephysical appearance and you work out you can you can stay like really pretty hot at like you can yes you can still be attractive you you can still be attractive oh my gosh we should get hold on stop you can still be attractive at
02:14:59
Brian Atlasan older age but just the biological reality is you're let's let's take a 40-year-old woman she was more physically attractive at 30 she was more physically attractive at 20 not okay no can I say something
02:15:15
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02:15:26
Kenderly Ryaneasy Walsh top G panel what is a woman wait I don't are you having a manic episode woman can I can I touch on the weight thing though and the Aging
02:15:37
Holly Treatsthing so uh jaama I'll actually it let's just go we'll come back to the Aging thing yeah let's let's talk man what is a woman yeah what is a
02:15:48
Holly Treatswoman we'll go around the table with you go ahead oh with me I um I do believe that a woman is I I I don't want to get in trouble but I don't believe in
02:15:58
Holly Treatspicking your your gender at the way people are right now okay and I I support people that are going through whatever they're going through but I do not agree with it and I think that women
02:16:11
Holly Treatsthat God decides who a man and a woman is except for in some really weird situation except for in some really specific situations in where everybody is is very aware of like yeah you've got two dicks like we get it or whatever it
02:16:23
Holly Treatsis like I I don't think that it's this big or or whatever it is I don't think it's this big happen I think that when there are hermaphrodites it's not it's not this common as no yeah that's a that's a yeah we'll go around the what
02:16:35
Carla Eliawhat is a woman I I honestly don't I don't think I don't I mean a woman is a woman who was born a woman a biological woman I'm just going to say that yeah
02:16:44
Kenderly Ryanokay good yeah honestly same we get periods on like um I'm not transphobic but listen if you're not getting a period you're not pushing out a baby you're not dealing with what we are every month you're not a woman it's not
02:16:55
Abigailthe same so cancel me you want but that's how I feel I agree with them a woman is a woman that was born a woman if they draw your blood and it says a woman you're a woman and just a human
02:17:06
Mason Gregoirebeing was double X chromosomes okay all right Born a woman that's a woman do you have a answer on this man hot no no no yeah yeah born a
02:17:17
Brian Atlaswoman you're a woman God designed male and female wow and uh yeah he ordered it that way one say it's a a woman a woman is an adult human female um okay that
02:17:30
Kenderly Ryanback to the age thing though um did was it you that had something so for instance I was very skinny very athletic worked out my whole life I was in sports gained a lot of weight at 21 cuz again I did not deal with my mom's death can I
02:17:42
Kenderly Ryanyou tilt the mic to just kind of be straight yeah yeah perfect perfect um so I'll be brutally honest I'm not like first of all I'm not an idiot I'm big I
02:17:51
Kenderly Ryanknow that I gained about 85 pounds um I've just lost 40 pounds on my own because I realized good job thank you I realized that man held me back and now
02:18:03
Kenderly RyanI'm going to the gym I'm working harder I'm eating better so yes I might have been fat as hell in my 20s but my 30s I'm going to be skinny and I'm going to look great cuz I'm going to put in that work just like you guys are saying it's my choice I'm going to wake up every day
02:18:16
TTS/Donationsto eat healthier to not drink to not smoke all par Walmart donated $100 real simple a 40-year-old woman who
02:18:25
TTS/Donationsworks out and does great makeup can be hotter than the same woman at 20 if gig at400 that woman at 20 the same good
02:18:35
Brian Atlashabits will be hotter literally nailed it so no no no no I wait I I'm not are you sure you listen to that wait what did it say it says a can be hotter than
02:18:44
Mason Gregoirethe same woman at 20 if she was 400 lb at 20 yeah 20 so say you mean okay we you guys are taking some extreme scenarios so given
02:18:57
Mason Gregoireso say there's this there is this mythical lady out there who started working out taking care of herself from the age of like five and she was taught by her mom this how we're going to do it
02:19:08
Mason Gregoireher dad is like in love with her mom and they see like she she has the ideal version of parents so she grows up and she's taking care of herself when she hits that age of 19 or 20 she still
02:19:20
Mason Gregoiretaking care of herself she will be more sexually attractive in her 20s than she will be in her 40s not saying that she won't be beautiful in her 40s so like I think
02:19:31
Mason Gregoirecomparatively uh for that woman if given that she didn't have a weight problem given all these other factors if everything was held the same she's going to be more attractive when she's 1920
02:19:43
Monica (Swedish Bella)than when she's in her 40s so what I think this is for men and young women why they attracted to them is because they
02:19:54
TTS/Donationsknow10 donated $100 hope you are doing well Brian first time watching than you man thank you I love show keep up the good work also long live the horde definitely dude long
02:20:07
Brian Atlaslive the horde you know like what are you Undead Torin troll orc what what you what are we talking here thank you very much bright side really appreciate it thank you thank you thank you so what I think it has to do men wants to put every like they want to put their penis
02:20:20
Monica (Swedish Bella)and everything and that has nothing to do with like they want women animals are off the table no but women they want to impregnant women appliances various household appliances I wouldn't a
02:20:32
Brian Atlashousehold appliance and maybe like a love couch I might consider like if it's curvy like a curvy love couch I'll give it the crap listen I don't mean it as disrespect at all I I
02:20:44
Monica (Swedish Bella)support it that's nature and that is what it is I don't I you have a virgin man sitting across from you by the what I mean I'm not saying he doesn't have the urge you have the urge of course
02:20:54
Mason Gregoirehe's never this man has never wanted a strong I I can say safely I've never wanted to have sex with a lampost or other in or other inanimate objects yes but go ahead go ahead go anyway
02:21:07
Monica (Swedish Bella)wants to have sex with females because they it's a part of you know impregnated women and yeah men know that the younger you are the more chance of you having
02:21:18
Brian Atlasbabies and you're fertile and yes that's a yes actually that's a good point a great well that's that's one of the good the reasons why men find uh youthful characteristics attractive because
02:21:31
Monica (Swedish Bella)because that's an indicator for of fertility me as a woman yeah when I see for example you you're a strong man you're smart you're educated you seem to
02:21:42
Monica (Swedish Bella)be a good father which means I would give my vagina to you you give the vagina you're married no but I mean I mean hypothetical
02:21:52
Monica (Swedish Bella)okay I know you would be a good father and if I was 20 you would be like yeah she would probably have my baby and a virgin wait and a virgin so but you know where I'm where I'm going with this
02:22:04
Monica (Swedish Bella)right it's but would you want to date a 19-year-old or a 20-year-old if you're a guy that's older what would you have in common would you marry a girl and that what would you
02:22:16
Mason Gregoirehave in common with a girl like that I have an answer but you go ahead Mason yeah well well I I don't think there has to be like it depends what you mean by have in common so commonality like I I
02:22:28
Mason Gregoireprobably would have a lot of things in common with women who are 19 20 years old because you're in the same soet okay well well I'm like 27 so I'm getting up
02:22:37
Mason Gregoirethere but yeah yeah exactly but if you were 40 or 45 so 40 45 even then like okay that is that is quite the distance
02:22:45
Mason Gregoirebut uh especially as a Christian man like as long as we have God in common as long as there are like if we have the
02:22:54
Mason Gregoiresame goals if she wants to step behind me in my aspirations if she wants to help me achieve my mission in life yeah I mean I I don't see the problem with
02:23:07
Brian Atlasdating someone who's significantly younger than you do do you so I I'll answer that question so you ask what does an older man have in common with a younger woman um very much younger I'm
02:23:18
Brian Atlasnot saying but very much say you're you're 4 and she's 20 okay sure um so it's not about having something in
02:23:29
Brian Atlascommon it's what people find attractive because do you think that is having things in common a high priority for any of you when choosing a partner yes I
02:23:41
Brian Atlasdoubt I highly no for me it is very very important yeah women c i you might say that but I I highly doubt that common
02:23:50
Brian Atlasities for men or women are high on the totem pole when it comes to who you're going to find attractive but if I find a dude
02:24:02
Monica (Swedish Bella)attractive and I date him for for physically attractive right yeah for two months and he's we have nothing in common it's just the sex like I don't build my relationships on sex I just do
02:24:14
Holly Treatsnot because that's not how I but you can okay that will only take you so far kind of like a guy says oh woman's attractive it's same thing for us like we don't
02:24:22
Brian Atlasneed just a guy to be a Chad for us aad no no but let me ask okay so have you ever because if commonality is the ultimate or the penultimate thing when
02:24:34
Brian Atlasit comes to deciding if you want to sleep with somebody or have a relationship or marry them I'm sure there's been plenty of men that all of you here have had tons in common with
02:24:46
Brian Atlasbut you didn't want to date them because you didn't find them attractive they didn't meet some other metric so commonality is frankly irrelevant or very low on the totem pole of what's
02:24:58
Brian Atlasimportant for both men and women when it comes to who we decide to partner with disagree now there's certain things there shared values there shared values but commonality if a girl doesn't like
02:25:09
Holly Treatsthe same music as me I don't don't chemistry is important and if You' too many differences you will not have chemistry in in rhythm with another person you know what I mean it's like
02:25:20
Brian Atlasmusic okay but what what do these women like what does a woman have in common like let's say she makes $40,000 a year what does she have in common with a guy who makes $1 million a year should she
02:25:31
Brian Atlasnot be attracted to him because she doesn't have that commonality with him I can tell you why that woman is attracted to him because he makes a $1 million year and I can tell you why men are
02:25:41
Brian Atlasattracted to young women because they're beautiful yeah and they're they're more more they're more fertile lower body count Les past relationship necessarily true I
02:25:52
Gloria Calderonemean I know a lot of young girls that spend their nights at at a bar every weekend but young a young woman is more like well can I say like do you I I know you're saying in an attract just
02:26:03
Gloria Calderonephysical attraction way do you think it's more of like preference because I know that like when I was 20 like I was like very skinny and now like I'm 31 and
02:26:14
Gloria CalderoneI have like the curves that like most men like so I think I'm definitely more Ive now I definitely get more attention now um so maybe it's like do you think it's a preference thing that like some
02:26:26
Gloria Calderoneguys might like cuz I know I know guys that like really young girls and I know guys that find it kind of creepy when a girl is like 19 like they don't find that attractive at all so I think it's
02:26:36
Brian Atlasmore of like a pref I mean it's a preference I would they truthfully they probably find it creepy because Society
02:26:45
Holly Treatshas tried to pathologize men's innate attraction triggers and and preferences uh no because I think also the thing that we're forgetting and this there is actual statistic data that will
02:26:57
Holly Treatsback this up the birth rate across the board has gone down so having children is clearly not a societal priority as much as it used to be and data will not and you can you can look it up there's a a lot of data that will back this so I
02:27:10
Holly Treatsthink that people's preferences will change now that their objectives are clearly changing well I don't think the I agree because I'm busy with people who have very different and I think it's literally just different when it comes
02:27:22
Brian Atlasto when it comes to men's preference for younger women because for example the fertility argument younger women are more are more fertile uh that's not something that's even necessarily intellectualized by men oh she's young
02:27:34
Brian Atlasshe's more capable of bearing children it could be however like let's say there's a guy who's 35 40 and he wants to have a family he wants to have kids he hasn't
02:27:46
Brian Atlashad that yet he's probably like a 40-year-old guy he's probably to look at a woman in her late 20s early 30s versus a woman closer to his age because a
02:27:55
Brian Atlaswoman who's look women up until mid 40s can still get pregnant but uh your best bet for having a kid is like late or
02:28:05
Brian Atlaslate 20s early 30s what after you hit 35 your chance of getting pregnant starts decreasing uh but wait then how does that plan to guys wanting relationships with 19-year-olds then well it's kind of
02:28:17
Gloria Calderonelike biologically programmed into you because they I'm confused wereused it was an attraction thing but is because of yeah that okay yeah
02:28:30
Monica (Swedish Bella)they're attracted to younger women because they know women it's built into a man to find a younger woman attractive generally speaking if if women who are in their 35 like 30s and
02:28:43
Mason Gregoire40s uh they typically nowadays will have squandered their their f ility in singleness yeah so they have wasted their fertility so they've spent all of
02:28:55
Mason Gregoiretheir 20s partying it up do living a single lifestyle where they could have been using their fertility and finding a a man who is going to sacrifice himself
02:29:06
Mason Gregoirefor them and give them the life that they probably really do want but instead they wasted all that time so when as a man I want to find a woman who is going
02:29:16
Mason Gregoireto give me the best possible chance of having a successful relationship and generally speaking that's going to be with somebody who has less emotional
02:29:25
Mason Gregoirebaggage less relationship baggage um and a higher likelihood of fertility yeah I mean I I agree with you I don't think we disagree yeah I I I think that's how it
02:29:37
Monica (Swedish Bella)is like the guys who are attracted to me are usually like men that are over 50 and usually you know they're divorced or you know they they have a kid or you
02:29:48
Monica (Swedish Bella)it's it's not guys that are young yeah I mean there there are I'm not saying they're not I'm just saying majority of guys that are in my group that Express oh I would date you or marry you or
02:29:59
Monica (Swedish Bella)whatever or usually older they're either divorced or you know separated or whatever and I'm fine with that because I'm attracted to the same thing like look here's why men prefer younger women aside from the fertil well I mean I can
02:30:13
Brian Atlasmention this they're more physically attractive more emotionally available tend to be more romantic they have more energy and op they're more optimistic about the future they have more time to live life travel the world before starting a family they're more fertile
02:30:24
Brian Atlasless baggage excuse me less baggage and Trauma more open to new ideas less stuck in their ways stuck in the job City more agreeable tend to be easier to build a
02:30:35
Brian Atlaslife with um typ also more grateful and easily satisfied whereas a woman who's dated 20 other men who've provided XY Z they're going to be like oh okay you
02:30:47
Monica (Swedish Bella)have a Ferrari my ex has a Ferrari too usually these women date guys that are usually also divorced maybe have a couple of kids you know older girls
02:30:56
Monica (Swedish Bella)don't go for younger guys either you know uh there's I mean yes there some some of them do but but it's not for men and women are attracted there's not symmetry in what men and women are
02:31:08
Brian Atlasattracted to we're we're both attracted to different things um and just to add to the list here uh younger woman's less likely to have children or a psycho X um
02:31:19
Brian Atlasso so yeah I mean I don't disagree it's it's I'm just still kind of perplexed like y'all I mean I didn't get the answer from everybody but you were
02:31:29
Brian Atlassaying like you think the a woman's Peak Peak is 39 can be is it can be me it is no uhuh I'm sorry I'm sorry to give you
02:31:40
Monica (Swedish Bella)I'm sorry to give you a red pill here you're going to tell me sorry go I don't I'm not saying that it's like that for everybody this is just for me personally and how I feel can we pull yeah you
02:31:51
Kenderly Ryanactually I think we oh it's it's Instagram you're going to tell me that a woman like for instance me who was a black um an ugly ducking when I was in my 20s cuz I gained so much weight and now I've already lost so much that
02:32:04
Kenderly Ryanpeople have drastically noticed that somehow we're not going to get better looking I'm literally walking proof and I'm still work in progress I'm not saying I'm perfect I'm not saying I'm skinny but I'm losing it and I see the
02:32:14
Brian Atlasdifference and I feel it from men from women everything sure so if I can concede that you might be at a lighter weight however there are just
02:32:26
Brian Atlascertain biological realities when it comes to for example somebody somebody's skin uh other things when it comes to youth um it's just it's just the reality I I mean I don't know what you looked
02:32:38
Kenderly Ryanlike when you were younger but like let's say you were just um30 lb I was 108 when I tested for
02:32:47
Brian AtlasPlayboy when was that uh 20 0 oh and you were what how old then uh 2010 19 wait so are you saying when you were 19 and you weighed 108 lbs and I looked
02:32:59
Kenderly Ryanterrible in the face it was like my nose overtook it my face hadn't fully grown into my body so my body looked great I was always a pretty girl but I did not look facially as pretty as I do now so
02:33:10
Brian Atlasbut okay but can agree on that that's fine I don't have work done so you're saying when you were 19 and you weighed 108 lbs you're more attractive now now at
02:33:21
Brian Atlas32 and I mean I this is not a question I typically ask but how much do you weigh right now I'm at 170 I was at 218 okay
02:33:30
Brian Atlasso 19 months ago okay 19108 versus 32170 lbs are you are you making the argument that you're more physically attractive now no I'm making the well hold on sorry I'm making the
02:33:43
Brian Atlasargument I'm more physically attractive in the face absolutely but in the body no well I mean without seeing pictures it would be hard for me to say you said you did something for Playboy was I tested you tested do you have I mean I didn't get in I have the photos yeah but
02:33:56
Brian AtlasI didn't get in the magazine because of my tattoos it's hard to say but I would say that for both men and women you start to age a bit in the face people start getting wrinkles absolutely that's what's going to happen the skin loses
02:34:06
Gloria Calderoneits tautness so I mean I mean I guess you guys willon I get what you're saying I get what you're saying I was saying just an an individual level like you know personal everyone everyone's
02:34:17
Gloria Calderonedifferent we want to talk about we want to talk about wrinkles like you know I I like had the 11 you know I got Botox for the first time in my life this month too so like yeah that's cheating though but
02:34:30
Holly Treatsthere's even men people men get wrinkles in their early 20s so you compare a 30-year-old now to a 30-year-old back in like my parents' Generations like it's it's it's
02:34:40
Kenderly Ryancrazy the difference is it's really does we Havey don't have to get ugly what you guys are yeah and a lot of us aren't tanning anymore tanning was a big factor on skin let me tell you in the '90s cuz
02:34:52
Kenderly RyanI used to work at the salans the '90s that went up ever since melanoma and everything it's a big factor really bad for your skin you age 10 we're not saying we're not saying that a woman
02:35:03
Brian Atlaswho's 30 35 40 45 can't be physically attractive that's not what we're saying but you guys are making the argument that women peak in when their physical Beauty in their late 30s that's
02:35:15
Brian Atlasabsolutely not the TR I you know what it is it's not personal across the board across the board people are more I would
02:35:23
Brian Atlasargue even both uh men and women are more physically attractive when they're younger there's a differential I personally think I personally think I
02:35:35
Monica (Swedish Bella)was more physically attractive 10 years ago than I am now I would probably find you more attractive now because you're you're you're more of a man but like phys
02:35:49
Holly Treatskind of weird though if a guy looks too youthful to me then he's not then I don't really recognize him as my Alpha now I'm understand it different yeah but now I'm understanding what he's
02:36:00
Gloria Calderonesaying he's pretty much just saying like the youthful part of our body like we do start age I started noticing like my my youth decrease at like literally exactly when I turned 30 I started seeing like
02:36:12
Gloria Calderonelittle wrinkles so I do I I actually understand what you're saying now what I was trying to argue is very different so I think we're both kind of like at this point talking about two separate things
02:36:22
Mason Gregoireyeah did you have something Mason what no yeah I I think it goes into so you're saying like you can be attractive to men so you're not very attracted to guys who
02:36:33
Mason Gregoireare very youthful I think that goes into the fact that you're generally not attracted to uh guys who are not mature who are not going to be that Alpha dude
02:36:45
Mason Gregoireso you want a guy who is going to be able to take the lead and that generally increases with age so for men we don't want that we want a woman who's not as experienced so that we can lead them
02:36:59
Holly Treatswhere they don't have all of that emotional baggage that relationship baggage some guys get tired of having to lead women yeah yeah is a little some guys get very exhausted when they have to lead women in a way that they don't
02:37:11
Holly Treatswant to lead them I'm not saying they don't want to lead them but I'm saying if it's not the way that they like it they don't really prefer it you know what you're very attractive of VI yeah
02:37:20
Holly Treatsand I think men don't want to lead subord uh insubordinate women yeah and they don't want to they don't want not the situation they want right like like you were saying there is that like they they want the exact thing that they like
02:37:34
Brian Atlasthey if they want you to be a subordinate woman then that is what that guy wants if they want they just to address that like words have to have meaning so if you want a man who's a leader yeah there
02:37:45
Brian Atlasthere's two sides of the coin there in order to lead somebody has follow so what we have going on I view I think men to some degree lack leadership
02:37:56
Holly Treatsand women certainly are not prepared to follow we in this era I think a good way instead of following though is the word support you know what I mean like I think that what
02:38:08
Mason Gregoirehappens is that you have two kings fighting for a crown you know what I mean you have something then I have to show the B video so yeah I mean okay if you are a
02:38:18
Mason Gregoiretrue leader you need somebody that is going to support your mission so like if we're going to take the military as our our example there is somebody at the very top of the military making all of
02:38:29
Mason Gregoirethe decisions now if the people below me are going against my mission I'm going to kick them out get them out of there they are not helping me support my mission so as a man I want to find a
02:38:40
Mason Gregoirewife who is going to support my mission and if she is constantly take kicking my legs out and going in the opposite direction of as me she's not she's not
02:38:51
Mason Gregoirefollowing she's not submitting yeah and well she's not letting me lead it's not a it's her sacrificing her choice not
02:39:01
Monica (Swedish Bella)not choice but her Desires in order to support me in my mission it's like you you as a man don't want a woman that you feel you have to push up the hill exactly yeah that's what I was going to say I feel you don't want to push her up
02:39:13
Monica (Swedish Bella)the hill if she can't walk up that hill don't her not only I'm sorry it is what it is you know if you can't push her up the hill yeah you know like what I mean with that is a a man doesn't
02:39:24
Monica (Swedish Bella)want to always try to push her like a man it's exhausting no no no no no no I'm walking you're behind me yeah but what I but to
02:39:35
Holly Treatsget her up the hill he has the thing is I ain't pushing exactly that's what want I'm not pushing I drag I'm a
02:39:44
Holly Treatsdragger oh leave them there cuz for me if you're like if it's like situ I drag drag if I have to drag you by your ankles I'll drag you by the
02:39:58
Kenderly Ryanankles we could put something around I say hair but you can pick I'm sorry I'll know what the pushing I wanted to say the the problem with the culture now is women want to be so godamn independent but then when it
02:40:10
Gloria Calderonecomes down to being like Oh but wait can you go do this for me not only that but I feel like right now what a 21-year-old is probably probably not what a mature man that's looking for a relationship
02:40:23
Gloria Calderonelike a serious relationship like a lot of like 21y old 22y old are like partying like they don't want to like let go of their freedom like they just want to live that so I think that like it's just
02:40:34
Gloria Calderonesomething that when you're in in a man and you're mature you kind of don't want to be like with someone too too young maybe somebody that already reached that level of maturity cuz then you are like you said you're pushing that person or
02:40:46
Gloria Calderonelike having and it's a lot of work for a man to have to like drag a woman like you want someone to be supportive especially if you're such a like if you're an entrepreneur and you're focused on your like Mission you don't
02:40:58
Gloria Calderonewant a woman like dragging you down you know and a lot of young girls can do that especially like I think it's more of like back in the days when like our parents were growing up and like there was like you know a very different
02:41:09
Gloria Calderonelifestyle like a 20-year-old woman was like a like a wife like a mother you know like that's not a thing anymore so Carla go head and then I'm going to move on to another topic go ahead so I think
02:41:22
Carla Eliathat that culture though is kind of reverting itself or because the struggles that I have with my women or the women that I coach and just my community in general they're like I'm feminine I'm giving it up like I want to
02:41:33
Carla Eliabe submissive I want to find that man to be a leader and they're like slowly not wanting to be that independent woman like they're all waking up and I think now we're in a culture right now in a
02:41:44
Carla Eliaperiod where we can't find leaders anymore because I honestly think that it's because of the public school system and just the school system and the education system in general um but I think that that version of women wanting
02:41:55
Carla Eliato be independent is outdated and the sooner we realize that I think relationships are going to be a lot happier because again I got married at 22 and I have like I could say I have friends that are married too and they're
02:42:08
Carla Eliayoung so a lot of women are waking up they're like uhuh this independent thing that's the that that's the scam let's not do that so I think the issue now is like men have to wake up too and they're
02:42:19
Gloria Calderonenot waking up fast enough for us ladies I think can I add something to that I think um now that like you know it I I do see that a lot happening but I think
02:42:31
Gloria Calderonethat now it's going to get a little bit hard with men because sex is given so easily so they're they're not forced to commit at this point so it's like it's like these girls are out there and they're really like
02:42:42
Carla Eliawhy am I not getting the right man but it's like why would they commit when everybody else is just like you know having sex with that's why I tell my ladies I'm like ah we're not doing that we're smarter than that let's be smarter that like that
02:42:55
Carla Eliayeah but they won't do it but other girls are doing it yeah but that's but that's how you can tell a man from a boy a man is like oh no she's a good one I'm going for that one that's exactly what
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Gloria Calderonehappened to me yeah but then it's hard to find then it's hard to find these men it's like one in a million at this no no no if you I'll wait if I feel like
02:43:16
Carla Eliathat's limiting I'll wait a couple days a virgin how generous of you I'm a nice guy I'm a nice guy that's a limiting belief I think because I mean I grew up with you know wanting to wait until marriage and all the guys that I
02:43:29
Carla Eliaencounter I've been very blessed with the relationships that I've had they would respect me and I know that there's a lot of men that would respect the woman that respects herself a man is only going to go as far as a woman lets him and I say this time and time again
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Carla Eliaso it's not the only way that we can fix da Market is if we fix ourselves first so and I and I agree with you that other girls are giving it up easily but that's not problem our problem is like let's differentiate between a boy and a man a
02:43:52
Carla Eliaman is going to recognize very fast what wife material is versus just like a you know a fun time yeah yeah am the cat's out of the B though the cat's out okay um here Nick pull up the
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02:44:28
Brian Atlasjust to kind of put a cherry on top of the whole uh physical Beauty age discussion so are you more attractive now or will you be more attractive
02:44:37
Holly Treatsphysically in 10 years my mindset is that I will be more and more physically attractive every single day and I'm going to figure out a way to do that well you're you're 28 right now m so you'll you're saying you'll be more
02:44:50
Holly Treatsphysically attractive at 38 everyday is 10 points good what about
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Carla Eliayou um I think that well from the women in my life that I've seen I think I'm I'm not at at my Peak yet cuz all the women in my life are very beautiful
02:45:08
Carla Eliawomen and they all peaked I think at age 35 so I think I still I'm going to get better as I age the women peaked at 35
02:45:19
Carla Eliain my life in my family the women peaked at 35 like they got extremely more they were already beautiful but they got more beautiful as they aged at 35 so what you're 23 will you be more attract
02:45:31
Carla Eliaphysically attractive at 33 or as you are now um I guess I'm I mean I don't know well with the way that things are going right now I think I'm going to be more
02:45:42
Brian Atlasattractive at 33 what about you I mean I'm going to do everything I can to take care of myself okay so you're 32 will you be more physically hold on grid One Motorsports
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02:46:04
Brian Atlasnumbers and never let them follow you home remember the life you save is your own wow okay grid One Motorsports is I think are you talking about the crazy hot Matrix I think that's what he's
02:46:16
Kenderly Ryantalking about understand do any of you have response to G grid one um we don't care to stalk you guys we have too much
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Kenderly Ryanto do sorry yeah I've got my I'm interested in thank you okay move uh so any any so I mean I'm going to do my best I don't know if I'm going to look
02:46:36
Kenderly Ryanbetter at 42 no one's no one here is going to know who's going to look better but I will say I will attract the group I'm going for at that time because that's what I'm going to do so doesn't
02:46:47
Abigailfor me it doesn't matter sure maybe maybe not who cares I'm going to be honest here I'm not planning on getting any Botox or doing anything so I'm definitely going to be looking better now well let me let me double down on what you just said even if you were
02:47:00
Brian Atlaslet's say 10 years into the future you're 32 you go get BOTOX you get lip filler you get plastic surgery you get XYZ cosmetic
02:47:09
Brian Atlasprocedure you're still not going to be more physically attractive like I don't think women women like 50-year-old women who get plastic surgery it's not like
02:47:20
Abigailyou look 25 you look 50 with plastic surgery mhm like your skin looks very like bouncy and Youthful when you're young like you you know like when you look on the stet you know who's young
02:47:32
Brian Atlasand who's not sure and me me personally and I don't know Mason I'd like for you to weigh in on this I am a natural body supremacist I'm not in favor of plastic
02:47:43
Brian Atlassurgery I'm not in favor of cosmetic interventions I'm not in FA I I I'm frankly this is the hot take I think that'll trigger a lot of people not a big fan of makeup either look a little
02:47:55
Kenderly Ryaneyeliner whatever I don't not a big deal but don't really like makeup either so I'll tell my girl like you don't got to wear that I'm also agree I'm going to agree with you 100% actually my mom
02:48:06
Kenderly Ryanpassed from plastic surgery so that's why I won't get it done I'm going to the gym to tighten my stomach I'm hiring miss Monica here to help me with that like because I don't want to put my life at risk like that it's not worth it if I
02:48:18
Kenderly Ryanhave to be have saggy skin or be fat or whatever it is to save my life I will eat as good as I can whatever I can for my internal body and my organs but if I can't control the skin that happened I can't control it I'm not going under a
02:48:30
Mason Gregoireknife for it absolutely not yeah not worth it yeah I mean I I totally agree like I'm 100% Naturals go you guys yeah not for me like plastic surgery just turns me off I mean it's not a fan not a
02:48:42
Carla Eliaf at all not a fan but what if your like your wife asks for like a mommy makeover like if you have baby if things change and even you're like I can see it what do you mean a
02:48:53
Gloria Calderonemommy makeover like a mommy makeover like after she has like four a lot of a lot of women like after pregnancy they have um EXT a lot of extra skin and stretch marks and in order to get rid of
02:49:05
Gloria Calderonelike that sagging skin like you have to actually like cut it um and it does create a lot of insecurity in women um sure um I I mean that I'm not even sure if that would
02:49:18
Brian Atlaswould even bother me but if it was like something that was causing like severe concerns with her insecurity like that's certainly something that could be pursued but I would argue the vast
02:49:31
Brian Atlasmajority of women who do have plastic surgery or undergo cosmetic procedures it's not for like to fix a defect it's actually purely for aesthetic and cosmetic reasons but in their minds it
02:49:43
Holly Treatsno I disagree cuz like so I before I got my boobs done obviously they're really big looking so it's like makes this point a little weird coming for me but um but this was my world and just know
02:49:54
Holly Treatsthat there's women with smaller boobs in between the scale and I stopped wanting to have sex without a shirt on I stopped or without a bra I wanted like keep my bra on in sex because I was I had like
02:50:06
Holly Treatsnatural D's and I started working out a lot and it's just like you're that's the first thing to go that's like the least the most sacrificial fat you have and so my I I just like had this like I would have good boobs and then I would have
02:50:18
Holly Treatsnot M and it's like you can only do that so many times before they just stay not good and not what do you mean not good they get like saggy like even when you're young like that's okay that's fine not after a certain level and there
02:50:30
Holly Treatswhere you don't want to take your shirt off so if you never saw your wife whether or not it's in her mind or not if she never wanted to take her bra off in bed with you would that bother you whether you or not it was real or her
02:50:40
Brian Atlasdulu well I would try my my goal would be would be to tell her one I don't I think you're beautiful even with your
02:50:51
Holly Treatsbut what if she's dealing with a problem way bigger than you don't dictate people's psychological issues no but your own
02:51:00
Brian Atlasself perception but there is a component of there is a component of like how you think other people perceive you so yes it's your own self-perception but also