Andrew Wilson! DUMPED Because She Did OF?! Men Making $50,000 Should NOT Date?! | Dating Talk #136

Date: 2024-02-19

Duration: 6h 59m

Guests

Brian Atlas

IIsabella (DT136)>

HHolly (DT136)>

SSophia (DT136)>

LLizzy (DT136)>

AAndrew Wilson >

UUnnamed (Algerian-Canadian, DT136)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_02Sophia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Isabella(guest)

SPEAKER_04Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Mesa(guest)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_07Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_08Rose(guest)

SPEAKER_09Dez(guest)

SPEAKER_12Holly(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteBrian declares war on talking in saunas

“if I was married to a woman for 10 years and we get into the SAA and she starts talking to me in the public SAA divorce”

QuoteLizzy discloses body count of 100+

“I unfortunately have a very high body count and a lot of that happened in my 20s because I slept with a lot of gorgeous men admittedly um but they didn't want to wife me or girlfriend me”

QuoteLizzy at 35, unmarried and surprised

“I think that now at 35 and unmarried I I did not see that coming”

QuoteLizzy confirms body count 'over 100'

“in the notes over 100 yeah so you know I I I have yeah I'll just say over 100”

QuoteHolly: 'my money is my money and his money is our money'

“my money is my money and his money is our money”

QuoteHolly says she has no exes (disassociates from past relationships)

“I don't have exes um and I would say unavailable”

QuoteSophia describes polyamorous relationship

“it was with two hetero guys um and one girl... we were all still friends we care about each other a lot”

QuoteAndrew Wilson states women have very low functional intelligence

“I think they have very low functional intelligence generally it's just me though”

QuoteDez's current sugar daddy tipped $1200

“the other night was like 1 12200 which was cool”

QuoteDez describes feeder sugar daddy arrangement

“he would give me money but have me send him videos of me like eating and like looking like overweight and stuff cuz he got off on that”

QuoteDez says 'all gas no brakes' about gasoline incident

“everybody else needs gas everybody else needs gas all gas no breaks”

QuoteDez describes throwing gasoline on ex-boyfriend's car

“I saw another girl in the back of his car and I got mad and I this gas tank was in my way and it spilled on me and I got pissed and I just started throwing the gas all over his car and the people in it”

Topics Discussed

Introductions

Guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Then go around on relationship status.

Sauna Etiquette Tangent

Brian goes on an extended rant about talking in public saunas being rude. Isabella mentions she met her boyfriend in a gym sauna. Chat votes: talking in sauna is rude.

Sean Evans / Melissa Stratton Breakup Reaction

Panel reacts to Hot Ones host Sean Evans breaking up with porn star Melissa Stratton on Valentine's Day. Discussion of whether he was wrong, Adam 22's Twitter trolling, and whether men should date sex workers.

Men Making $50,000 Should Not Date (Video Reaction)

Panel reacts to viral video of a woman saying men making $50k/year should not date. Discussion of income thresholds for dating, cost of living in California, what women contribute, 50/50 in relationships. Lizzy defends blue-collar men.

Princess/Queen Treatment & Men Providing

Discussion of what 'princess treatment' means, Holly's expectation of $5-10k/month in lifestyle spending, women dating up vs. men committing, women's inability to 'go back' after dating high-value men.

Cheating, High-Value Men, and Open Relationships

Whether high-value men are allowed to cheat. SPEAKER_07 (Lizzy) shares experience of sleeping with attractive men who wouldn't commit. Discussion of men's vs. women's attachment during sex.

Lizzy's Past Choices and Body Count Disclosure

Lizzy (35) discloses body count of 100+, discusses poor choices in youth including cheating at 19 and 21, change of heart at 28, and current regret at being 35 and unmarried.

50/50 in Relationships

Panel discussion on whether relationships should be 50/50 financially. Isabella describes her 75/25 dynamic with new boyfriend. Most women prefer men to pay more.

5050 Finance Debate & Dating Cost Context

Extended discussion on 50/50 vs. traditional financial roles; California cost of living context.

Body Count Discussion

Extended debate on whether body count matters, men's right to care about it, double standards, and whether high body count women are promiscuous by choice. Body count round: Isabella declined, Dez 15-20, Holly declined, 'zero waiting for marriage' (unidentified).

Same-Sex Activity Discussion

Panel unanimously says they would not date a man who has been in a same-sex relationship. Andrew Wilson raises the double standard on women's same-sex activity.

Sophia's Divisive Show Critique

Sophia (SPEAKER_02) challenges Brian on the show being divisive and adversarial. Brian and Andrew Wilson defend the debate format. Discussion of open-mindedness and consistency.

Sophia's Polyamory Story

Sophia shares her brief polyamorous relationship (2 men, 1 other woman). Concluded monogamy works better for her.

Sophia's Plane to France Story

Sophia met a stranger on a plane to France; they talked the whole flight, kissed, and explored Paris together for a romantic day.

Age Gap Relationships

Discussion of what age gaps are appropriate. Holly (22) is dating a man ~14 years older (~36). Panel debates predatory vs. normal age gaps. Holly says she couldn't date someone her own age.

Makeup as Misrepresentation Debate

Brian's position that makeup is a lie; debate on whether it misrepresents women similarly to men lying about height. Isabella discusses how severe acne affected her views.

Dez: Sugar Daddy with Feeder/Weight Fetish

Dez describes a sugar daddy who paid her to gain weight and send eating videos; also paid for heel-choke sessions. She received ~$2k/month + bonuses for weight milestones.

Holly's Twitter Rants

Brian pulls up Holly's Twitter: 'all men are liars,' birthday promises not kept, Valentine's Day men not celebrating rant. Holly explains context for each.

Dez: OnlyFans, Stripping, and Dating Sex Workers

Extended discussion of Dez's OnlyFans content and stripping career. Whether men are insecure or principled for not dating sex workers. Dez's feeder sugar daddy story. Stripper tales (nipple-rubbing VIP).

Dez: Toxic Relationship and Gas-Throwing Incident

Dez describes throwing gasoline on her ex-boyfriend's car after seeing another girl in it. Nearly lit the car on fire. Attributes incident to being bipolar and intoxicated.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsontalk sense into these females someone needs to lead them onto the right path in life but I have to ask my fiance's permission

Brian Atlasfirst uh Tracy if you want to be on the just shoot us a DM on Instagram at whatever where was I I forgot uh said you have a vision with your only

Dezsomething about your you're going to start a business or if if somebody were to like offer me um a sustainable lifestyle style where I didn't have to do only fans or

Dezstrip anymore I would I of course I would be inclined to take that role and that position and stuff but I think that I would also have them as like Hobbies

Dezmore so than anything because I enjoy po dancing I I like it as a sport you know um sport mhm are there points ining people do competitions and all that

Brian Atlasstuff it's a really intense workout takes a lot of core I don't know whole dancing is a sport I don't think is any form of dancing a sport isn't dancing an

Dezart well I sport art form it's a form of movement and working out so yeah it might be sure it might be physically

Brian Atlasdemanding but I don't know if it's a sport it's to each their own it's not to each their own like sport has an actual

Dezanyway whatever it's not I'm not going to argue about everything but okay um but yeah I would keep them as like side hobbies and stuff do you think do you

Brian Atlasthink pole dancing will ever you know sort of reach the you know comparatively speaking when it comes to sports like you know FIFA do you think there will ever be like a FIFA of the pole dancing

Brian Atlasprob Community do you think there will be you know like you know they'll sell jerseys of the best pole dancers I could see that happening yeah like soccer

Dezplayers you know how like there's you know Ronaldo and or Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi and um I can totally see Robert leow yeah do you think that there will

Brian Atlasbe like yeah okay I'm just being kind of owns all right uh but okay so but you're you're saying like you want a a good man

Brian Atlaswhere you can't find the good men dating is hard nowadays all the good men are taken or insecure um but we looked at

Brian Atlasyour we didn't subscri we looked at your bio on only fans and it says in addition to costing $10 a month you do twerking fully nude Customs dildo play solo

Brian Atlasand anal play boy girl content dick ratings girl girl content coming soon so you do boy girl content on your only fans with people that I'm comfortable

Brian Atlaswith and it's very it's very minimal as well do you think most good men want to date women who have videos out there

Dezin the public no but I'm sure most good men watch those videos well not good I don't know what's that not good men I wouldn't say Okay

Brian Atlasportraying to be so that's a little bit different whether they watch it or not um is different than whether they'd be in a relationship with a woman who produces how can you watch it though and then not want to be in a relationship

Brian Atlaswith somebody I watch the NFL I don't want to play in the NFL or foot I don't want to not I wouldn't be able to play in it but I wouldn't want to go and play football

Brian Atlaspleasure about it and stuff your argument wanting to your argument is in if you watch something if you consume a product you must romantically want to date the person that produces the

Brian Atlascontent just in that sense not in a general term no but that's but your argument is a man is obliged or should not object to dating a woman who does

Brian Atlasporn because he happens to watch porn that's your argument I guess yes okay I think it falls in I don't really think that logically makes

Brian Atlassense like just because you consume something doesn't mean you need to be romantically but it's just in interested sense of

Dezlike like you're consuming it you're consuming porn but you're to the public you're against porn no not

Brian Atlasnecessarily you could be you could have no issues with porn you may very well watch porn but when it comes to your romantic life your sexual life your

Brian Atlasrelationship life you would you don't want be with somebody who does you might not have any objections to porn production but you just you wouldn't

Dezwant to date a woman who's a 100 men on camera yeah okay I can see that okay that's fair all right she agrees yeah why not I mean I get it like it

Dezagain it comes down to the fact that like your man doesn't want to see that and like why doesn't he want to see that is it a respect thing is it insecurities is it oh is it a respect thing is it

Dezseem like it's a respect thing not a security thing but is it always a respect thing though because I think I don't think it is though I really think that it has to do with insecurities as well what would make him insecure the

Dezfact that I have to go up and speak to men and talk to them and be close to them around them whether I'm grinding on them or not you know but that's why I said A real man would retire no I don't

Mesaknow what there seems to be a big delineation hope room I have to engage with men and occasionally shake their hands versus I grind on men's penises

Andrew Wilsonthat seems like a huge difference it is two it takes a very secure man today to ax worker just like

Andrew Wilsonshaa wa he dumped her the second it became inconvenient your bullied kids can't dump you the only way out is unal living

Brian Atlasyourself uh you we actually uh reacted to the whole Shan Evans thing at the beginning of the uh stream but yes that's a perfect example thank you na nsho nabo she does she doesn't want kids

Mesathough so I mean yeah I just don't understand how it's a security or insecure issue it just seems like a respect issue to me and it would be

Mesahighly disrespectful for you to I don't know like walk over do that with some other guy if he was just in the room your boyfriend was in the room and you

Mesadid that wouldn't would you say you know you just really are kind of insecure he to just relax while I go over here and

Mesagrind all over this guy do you would you say that to him no why because I'm not working I'm not working though so what's the

Brian Atlasdelineation I know you also wrote men like to be comfortable more often than not if you meet a guy and the first thing you do is hook up he's going to be comfortable

Brian Atlaswith that Dynamic and it can be hard to work out of it so when you say that what do you mean by work out of it

Dezlike okay so say you want to have a relationship with you want to have a relationship with somebody but the first

Dezday you guys hook up and then you get comfortable within that Dynamic so like he's going to be comfortable with the fact that all he wants and is getting

Dezhis and he doesn't need anything more but you may want more and you'll have to like either work out of it or

Dezjust end that relationship do you mean work out of it as in withhold sex it could whatever you need to do to

Brian Atlaswork out of if it means withholding sex having deeper conversations being more open with each other but when you say you mean work out of it work out of the

Brian AtlasCasual Sex into into a something more more serious monogamous relationship MH okay well I think that's sort of when it comes to having sex that's kind of

Brian AtlasPandora's Box like once you've had sex with a guy I would argue most men are going like if you have sex with him and then you're like whoa whoa whoa hold on

Brian Atlasactually no let's get to know each other better first I think look you're free to do that absolutely seems like mixed signals but a lot of guys are going to be like well we already did it

Brian AtlasI would like most guys are going to be like that's really weird like you should have been if you're going to play the game you should have been proper about it you can't do this whole thing of like

Dezwell it was a mistake then he's going to actually feel like he's going to feel bad about it or something no like like like you guys like did like talk and have conversations before and stuff it's not

Dezjust like well like it was a one night stand and then you regret it after and want a relationship not like that okay just more like like say you guys were friends before something then you hooked

Dezup and now that's the only Dynamic that you guys have but you so you're saying you're going

Dezto withdraw sex is that what you're to in order to if that's what it I'm not saying that I would do that but if that's what it takes for somebody to get

Dezinto a more serious relationship from like that Buddy's situation to something else then it's not even clear to me if women making men weight to have

Dezsex is going to guarantee you a long-term Rel no I'm not saying waight to have sex I'm saying like like if that if that's what somebody wants to do but I'm just saying like you could have more

Brian Atlaslike conversations with that person or be more open and communicate more okay you also said so I guess my point is dating in this Modern Age is hard most of us are looking for the next best thing to come around and not

Brian Atlaswilling to take the time and effort that is needed in a relationship are you describing yourself

Dezum not myself my experiences yeah I don't think people in my own experiences I don't think that people have taken the time enough to like I don't know maybe it's just my

Brian Atlasgeneration but they're not wanting to like commit and settle and stuff okay um okay we we'll touch on that you said you believe there's a lot to do with

Brian Atlasinstant gratification like situationships you get all the benefits of a relationship besides the commitment it's a dating loophole so can you be a bit more specific who gets the benefits is it the man that gets the benefits in

Brian Atlasthe situationship I think it's it could be either or whoever's either one could be the benefici different ways okay um

Brian Atlasokay and you said something about commitment here do you guys think that um going around the table on this uh and you wanted to talk about why do men have a hard time

Brian Atlascommitting do you guys think that men have a hard time committing to women overall yeah are men commitment phobic I've heard that term a lot I mean I I

Isabellareally think it just depends on a man of course it depends but um generally speaking I I don't are men scared of commitment I've heard this said I don't know I mean I personally like I haven't

Isabellaheard any of these things before so I don't know okay what about you um I think that men

Brian Atlaslike yeah I don't know well in your notes you said men have why do men have a hard time committing

Brian Atlasum I don't know why they have a hard time no no that's not what I'm asking but you you think men have a hard time committing yeah yeah I

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)no not sure maybe younger men more I think men have a hard time committing to a woman they don't want to commit to but when they do want to commit to someone it's

Brian Atlaspretty easy for them facts okay all right well question for the for the ladies

Brian Atlashere of the times you've think of like it could be shorter term relationships but also including long-term relationships boyfriends uh more often than not who would you say has ended the

Dezrelationships you or the men and if you want to actually say well three out of four I ended it I ended all of them you've ended all of them um I've

Dezended like two out of the four two out of four yeah okay 50% okay like Mutual ghosting okay um mutual agreement

Sophiausually I've ended maybe like two of them but otherwise it was coming to a mutual decision okay all but one they ended

Brian Atlasit I ended all of them ended all of them I did you ended all of them it's very interesting to me and look some of you guys were didn't have a very strong position on the whole while men are

Brian Atlasafraid of commitment it's interesting to me that women complain often that men are scared of commitment um yet when you do get commitment a lot of you women

Brian Atlasoverwhelmingly are the initiators of ending said commitment and this is also evidenced by for example divorce statistics women initiate 80% of divorces oh I wish men would marry me I

Brian Atlaswish I could get married I wish men would make the ultimate commitment yet in the ultimate commitment women are overwhelmingly initiating divorces and in breakups I would also argue women

Brian Atlasoverwhelmingly initiate breakups so when you do finally get the commitment that you so desperately want it's it's interesting to me that women overwhelmingly are terrible at

Brian Atlascommitment because you end the commitment overwhelmingly why is that why do we end the commitment or the relationship look some of you said it

Brian Atlaswas kind of 5050 but I've heard from a lot of women and seems to me that women overwhelmingly end relationships so you want commitment but you overwhelmingly end the

Brian Atlascommitment that's interesting so wouldn't that also explain perhaps men's hesitance to commit to women because women are much more likely to be the

Brian Atlasones to initiate the breakup or initiate the divorce so men are scared of us they're not scar I don't think it's scared although perhaps I think I if men

Brian Atlasare scared of commitment for example marriage I think they're absolutely righteous in that position because they get absolutely destroyed by the biased family court system they get destroyed

Brian Atlasin divorce through uh community property through alimony I mean they're terrified of you right not it's not scared terrified okay but not because of you

Mesathey're terrified of the situations which happen around women that lead to really terrible outcomes for a lot of men that's what they're terrified of okay I could see

Brian Atlasthat okay moving next notes we have only two more here you said uh yeah I think two you said sugar daddy with a weight fetish toxic relationship

Brian Atlasthrough gas well I'll let you tell us the story what was the sugar daddy with

Deza weight fetish um I had like this sugar daddy um from the club and he would have

Dezme like he would give me money but have me send him videos of me like eating and like looking like overweight and stuff cuz he got off on that I guess and they call him eaters or whatever feeders

Dezyeah I don't know if that's yeah he was trying to like get me to like gain weight and yeah that's a feeder mhm and I did it for like a little bit but I got it was weird it was really weird so I

Dezstopped and then he also liked oh go ahead he also liked like heel play and stuff what's that it's I don't know like it's not it was always it was always with clothes on and stuff but he' have

Dezme like choke them out with my heels from the club like he bought me like 9 in heels to like choke him with oh you would meet up with him at the club okay he would book

Brian AtlasVIPs um how much do you charge for a a heel choke out well that he like it would you had allowance yeah

Dezit would be like um how much did he pay like cuz he had it on I would get like a couple Grand a month and then like if I gained like an extra 5 10 lb and I get like 500 to 1,000 and stuff and then if

DezI hit 200 then I get like 200 lb if I hit 200 lb then I get like $110,000 and stuff but I never hit 200 lb the did you have other sugar daddies while

Dezlike at this point or currently no I kind of have one but okay he's in the

Dezhe's new what's the allowance looking like um I mean the other night was like 1 12200 which was cool does he see you is this online or do he see is you at the

Brian Atlasclub this is through the club mhm okay do you have to give a percentage to the club or this is all what I'm making tips

Brian Atlasis mine okay so so you tip 1,200 mhm okay nice um okay um something about toxic relationship and I don't know if I

Brian Atlaswant to talk about anymore wait the statute of limitations has passed it was years ago something about gas in his car

Dezyeah yeah is you want to you lit it on fire almost almost um you said stripper

Brian Atlastals stripper tals what's that Show duck duck Tails duck tals stripper Tails woohoo okay all right Dragon tals

DezI don't know Dragon it's DuckTales I'm sorry get it right get it right Lizzy um that night was kind of like a fever dream but him and I my ex and I

Dezwere fighting really bad over were you coming down um yes kind of I we were both really

Dezup so and you're also bipolar right yes yes um so so tell us about the property damage start there so um

Dezbasically I was in a I ran to his car cuz some had happened I saw another girl in the back of his in the back of his car and I got mad and I this gas

Deztank was in my way and it spilled on me and I got pissed and I just started throwing the gas all over his car and the people in it and then yeah and then I tried fighting everybody if there was

Dezif there was a match I probably would have gone to jail and I would not be sitting here but that's why we don't do drink liquor anymore wait so the pretext for you throwing the gas on his car and

Brian Atlasthe people inside it was because you were upset that you got gas on yourself or were you upset because another girl was in his car I wasn't even focused on the girl when the gas spilled on me it

Dezwas just the gas spilled on me and I was pissed and I was like everybody else needs gas everybody else needs gas all gas no breaks no breaks all gas okay

Mesathat's interesting there's no matches around or something okay you to tell us how much of your boyfriend's stuff over the years that you've broken has been a

Dezlot or a little bit no not a lot at all have you slashed any tires no no I wasn't I wasn't a very violent person it was just if you get your buttons pushed

Brian Atlasenough something's bound to happen so just usually not gas all over the car and people but yeah you said stripper tals what is that that should be that

Brian Atlaswould be a good name for stripper you said stripper tales and that you were in a three-year relationship lots of wild things happened in that relationship sh

Dezum my stripper tails what what else can I I I don't know you guys want to hear like a funny story like some like it's

Dezjust I think it's funny it's short but basically it was doing um a VIP with this guy and I was just dancing doing my thing and he takes

Dezhis shirt off and he's like rub my nipples please I just had to take a back and I literally immediately started laughing

Dezat him cuz I'm like rub your nipples excuse me um I did it cuz I thought it was funny so wait you rubbed his nipples how much

Dezdid he how much did he pay you it was like I don't really remember that's disgusting something for the whole VIP it wasn't but I just thought it was hilarious

Brian Atlasso okay well uh I I think we will leave it on nipples on nipples on that um I'm

Brian Atlastrying to think if there was anything else but I'm pretty sure we are Nick are there any tabs that I had pulled up that I showed you that I didn't get to are we

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