Andrew Wilson! DUMPED Because She Did OF?! Men Making $50,000 Should NOT Date?! | Dating Talk #136

Date: 2024-02-19

Duration: 6h 59m

Guests

Brian Atlas

IIsabella (DT136)>

HHolly (DT136)>

SSophia (DT136)>

LLizzy (DT136)>

AAndrew Wilson >

UUnnamed (Algerian-Canadian, DT136)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_02Sophia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Isabella(guest)

SPEAKER_04Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Mesa(guest)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_07Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_08Rose(guest)

SPEAKER_09Dez(guest)

SPEAKER_12Holly(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteBrian declares war on talking in saunas

“if I was married to a woman for 10 years and we get into the SAA and she starts talking to me in the public SAA divorce”

QuoteLizzy discloses body count of 100+

“I unfortunately have a very high body count and a lot of that happened in my 20s because I slept with a lot of gorgeous men admittedly um but they didn't want to wife me or girlfriend me”

QuoteLizzy at 35, unmarried and surprised

“I think that now at 35 and unmarried I I did not see that coming”

QuoteLizzy confirms body count 'over 100'

“in the notes over 100 yeah so you know I I I have yeah I'll just say over 100”

QuoteHolly: 'my money is my money and his money is our money'

“my money is my money and his money is our money”

QuoteHolly says she has no exes (disassociates from past relationships)

“I don't have exes um and I would say unavailable”

QuoteSophia describes polyamorous relationship

“it was with two hetero guys um and one girl... we were all still friends we care about each other a lot”

QuoteAndrew Wilson states women have very low functional intelligence

“I think they have very low functional intelligence generally it's just me though”

QuoteDez's current sugar daddy tipped $1200

“the other night was like 1 12200 which was cool”

QuoteDez describes feeder sugar daddy arrangement

“he would give me money but have me send him videos of me like eating and like looking like overweight and stuff cuz he got off on that”

QuoteDez says 'all gas no brakes' about gasoline incident

“everybody else needs gas everybody else needs gas all gas no breaks”

QuoteDez describes throwing gasoline on ex-boyfriend's car

“I saw another girl in the back of his car and I got mad and I this gas tank was in my way and it spilled on me and I got pissed and I just started throwing the gas all over his car and the people in it”

Topics Discussed

Introductions

Guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Then go around on relationship status.

Sauna Etiquette Tangent

Brian goes on an extended rant about talking in public saunas being rude. Isabella mentions she met her boyfriend in a gym sauna. Chat votes: talking in sauna is rude.

Sean Evans / Melissa Stratton Breakup Reaction

Panel reacts to Hot Ones host Sean Evans breaking up with porn star Melissa Stratton on Valentine's Day. Discussion of whether he was wrong, Adam 22's Twitter trolling, and whether men should date sex workers.

Men Making $50,000 Should Not Date (Video Reaction)

Panel reacts to viral video of a woman saying men making $50k/year should not date. Discussion of income thresholds for dating, cost of living in California, what women contribute, 50/50 in relationships. Lizzy defends blue-collar men.

Princess/Queen Treatment & Men Providing

Discussion of what 'princess treatment' means, Holly's expectation of $5-10k/month in lifestyle spending, women dating up vs. men committing, women's inability to 'go back' after dating high-value men.

Cheating, High-Value Men, and Open Relationships

Whether high-value men are allowed to cheat. SPEAKER_07 (Lizzy) shares experience of sleeping with attractive men who wouldn't commit. Discussion of men's vs. women's attachment during sex.

Lizzy's Past Choices and Body Count Disclosure

Lizzy (35) discloses body count of 100+, discusses poor choices in youth including cheating at 19 and 21, change of heart at 28, and current regret at being 35 and unmarried.

50/50 in Relationships

Panel discussion on whether relationships should be 50/50 financially. Isabella describes her 75/25 dynamic with new boyfriend. Most women prefer men to pay more.

5050 Finance Debate & Dating Cost Context

Extended discussion on 50/50 vs. traditional financial roles; California cost of living context.

Body Count Discussion

Extended debate on whether body count matters, men's right to care about it, double standards, and whether high body count women are promiscuous by choice. Body count round: Isabella declined, Dez 15-20, Holly declined, 'zero waiting for marriage' (unidentified).

Same-Sex Activity Discussion

Panel unanimously says they would not date a man who has been in a same-sex relationship. Andrew Wilson raises the double standard on women's same-sex activity.

Sophia's Divisive Show Critique

Sophia (SPEAKER_02) challenges Brian on the show being divisive and adversarial. Brian and Andrew Wilson defend the debate format. Discussion of open-mindedness and consistency.

Sophia's Polyamory Story

Sophia shares her brief polyamorous relationship (2 men, 1 other woman). Concluded monogamy works better for her.

Sophia's Plane to France Story

Sophia met a stranger on a plane to France; they talked the whole flight, kissed, and explored Paris together for a romantic day.

Age Gap Relationships

Discussion of what age gaps are appropriate. Holly (22) is dating a man ~14 years older (~36). Panel debates predatory vs. normal age gaps. Holly says she couldn't date someone her own age.

Makeup as Misrepresentation Debate

Brian's position that makeup is a lie; debate on whether it misrepresents women similarly to men lying about height. Isabella discusses how severe acne affected her views.

Dez: Sugar Daddy with Feeder/Weight Fetish

Dez describes a sugar daddy who paid her to gain weight and send eating videos; also paid for heel-choke sessions. She received ~$2k/month + bonuses for weight milestones.

Holly's Twitter Rants

Brian pulls up Holly's Twitter: 'all men are liars,' birthday promises not kept, Valentine's Day men not celebrating rant. Holly explains context for each.

Dez: OnlyFans, Stripping, and Dating Sex Workers

Extended discussion of Dez's OnlyFans content and stripping career. Whether men are insecure or principled for not dating sex workers. Dez's feeder sugar daddy story. Stripper tales (nipple-rubbing VIP).

Dez: Toxic Relationship and Gas-Throwing Incident

Dez describes throwing gasoline on her ex-boyfriend's car after seeing another girl in it. Nearly lit the car on fire. Attributes incident to being bipolar and intoxicated.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasthink it's a major L as a dude to be following a bunch of Instagram chicks oh they're following him back cool that's the that's the bad part I would I mean I don't know maybe I'm weird when it comes to social media

Brian Atlasbut I don't follow like anybody on social media that's good I don't follow dudes I don't follow chicks like I mean I think it's super weird though when like you got dudes who are just following a bunch of girls that's kind of weird I agree I agree but I'm just

Brian Atlassaying this is what I've experienced and observed call those simps though so what it's tough it's tough good times wait okay so we're going I'm trying to remember what we're going around the

Brian Atlastable on I I feel like treatment we were talking about Princess treatment anybody who here wants princess treatment just a

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)yes or a no sure sure yes yes yep no look if please speak into the microphone yes but I don't

Rosequalify okay all right oh my husband treats me like a princess I would say so I like it yes it's beautiful beautiful okay

Brian Atlasgood good all right you also said crazy things you've seen crazy things in LA because when we were initially asking you about the $5 to $110,000 you said well whoa there's way crazier you know

Brian AtlasArrangements um what have you heard what have I heard and what have I seen what's like the craziest maybe not the craziest Arrangement but like um so I don't know this this girl personally does Isabella

Hollyhave a crazy Arrangement no no no crazy Arrangements Isabella okay I don't know this girl personally she's a friend of a friend but um we were talking about the other day about how for Christmas like she got mad at her boyfriend because he

Hollygot her a G wagon and she wanted a lamb truck and then he left her she left him that bastard and she took the gwag wait did you tweet about this no I didn't tweet about this you didn't tweet about the G wagon no I didn't tweet about this I

Isabellamaybe I saw something else on Twitter some girl was he just really up on that one and he's like really upset about it yeah that's insane shame on him shame on he should have came with that

Brian Atlaslamb truck he should have came with the year okay good times good times I'm GNA get into my show notes Here uh we got

Brian Atlaslet's see some of you were so kind as to provide some pre-show notes uh actually the last thing here for you

Andrew WilsonHaley you said you wanted to hie yes oh like hi be sorry about that oh we have grid one here grid One Motorsports donated

Andrew Wilson$200 as a high value married dude I have never cheated cheated 304 in blue is completely Cali fornicated you need to get out if you want a happy life no high

Mesavalue man does anything you describe those are F boys oh thank you so grid one here grid one here there there's some dispute one's awesome and

Mesait's true it is it is some bizarre California mindset as well and yeah best way to get happy in California is to get out of California I think it's time we got to

Brian Atlasmove the podcast out of here oh God okay CH it's a fascist uniform no no no no hold on I I first off it's a Prussian it's a Prussian you

Brian AtlasYou Pull It Up Normally we don't uh Chilean or not it's a fast fascist uniform Morales Chile was the Terminus of the rat lines the Chilean Army was

Brian Atlasstacked no no no first off Chile Chile has a rich history of taking from the Prussian

Brian Atlasmilitary uh you know tradition so so the the the Chilean Prussian Genesis predates World War II I will have you

Brian Atlasknow sir uh anyways you can hi that but I should I should maybe have another thought if if I want him should should we have him throw on a World War I military uniform would that

Mesabe I don't know maybe it looks Soviet does it look a little Soviet it might look a little bet bet none of them would care if it was a communist uniform it's fascist what about communist what if it

Brian Atlaswas what if it was like uh you know okay all right uh you wanted to talk 5050 in relationships I assume you're not in favor of 50 I'm not in favor of 5050 let's go around the table on that 50/50

Isabellain relationships agree yay nay um I used to be very 5050 and then I like I met other people

Isabellawho not that they didn't allow that but I guess they made more money than me so I couldn't really make it 50/50 and they offered to pay for more things so I

Isabellaright just kind of was okay with it being like 7030 7030 um yeah but if if I was with someone and they specifically told me they wanted it to be 50/50 I

Brian Atlaswould be okay with that but like for example the guy I'm right now like it's definitely not 5050 it's probably more like 7030 do you guys live toet well no you've been dating for a week I assume

Brian Atlasyou don't live together no okay so when it's 7030 like he buys dinner you buy dessert type or um honestly it's

Isabellawell 100 no it's probably like more close to like 75 25 but he just he offers a lot more like he will pay to okay for example like we went to Vegas

Isabellaum I covered the hotel for the trip he covered almost all the food okay and drinks okay so you know like what he

Isabellapaid for was more than what I paid for for the hotel but it was still like I still contributed a little bit you've been dating for a week how did oh right the gym store that's right

Isabellathat's right or it's the SAA yeah it's been over two weeks and you just went to Vegas like week one no we were already like hanging out like we weren't an official relationship but we

Brian Atlaswere hanging out like oh how long were you hanging out for um two months before we made it official oh so it's only but so you were like hooking up with him and

Isabellastuff before well we were going on dates so hooking up I mean first we just went on dates like to eat or something your friend's snitching on you over

Isabellatotally no it's just the way how she said dat that dates dates no like we we would go out to eat we went to like dinai fun and then then he'd drop you off and give you

Brian Atlasa ass out hug at the end of the day and that nothing that was it no but like it's like you're officially boyfriend and girlfriend as of one week ago two and a half weeks ago excuse me two and a half

Brian Atlasoh wait okay getting different stuff here but oh no wait you're right you did say two weeks my I got my notes mixed up guys first off don't talk in a

Isabellasauna never talking the sauna guys it's dis it's just rude and the other people were there other people in the sauna or was it just you and that oh my God no there's everyone's always talking in there like I've met a bunch

Brian Atlasof people in there I met some random like YouTubers and Tik tokers how big is a sauna it's a big is it a big sauna it's probably like fit like what like this you can fit like 10 10 people yeah

Brian AtlasI've been in a sauna like that you don't talk in the sauna with you know you don't do it it's it's bad sauna can we google if it's bad bad

Brian Atlassauna etiquette hold on talking talking it's like talking in an elevator hold on it's worse than talking in an elevator because in an elevator you get out after 10 seconds in a sauna you're trapped in

Brian Atlasthere you're sweating it's miserable hold on talking in any time avoid hold on I got some etiquette here on

Brian Atlassonas avoid talking loudly or engaging in any other noisy activity that may disrupt the tranquility tranquility of the

Brian Atlassauna let me see sauna etiquette please be as quiet as possible they say quiet T talking in the steam roomsa is rude uh I'm there's some Reddit posts on this

Brian AtlasSona etiquette 101 uh this this being selected quiet here quiet no there's there's a lot of people saying here let me ask the chat chat pull up the chat Nick yo chat those

Brian Atlasof you who sauna one in the chat one in the chat if it's rude to talk in the sauna two in the chat if it's normal it's cool to talk in the sauna one in the chat if it's rude to talk in the

Brian Atlassauna two in the chat if it's I see a lot of rudes is it rude how about just rude not rude rude not rude is it rude to talk in the sauna not rude

Brian Atlasa lot of ones it's a lot of a lot of the ones I think it's rude lot more ones than there are twos the worst thing is like someone will come into the sauna it's it's not as bad

Brian Atlasif it's like people I still don't think you like if it's two people talking and they know each other that's still bad but if somebody starts talking to you

Brian Atlasand I'm trying to be quiet in there you that happens like almost every day so you'll be in the sauna and somebody will start talking to you what where do

Brian Atlasyou what hellscape of a gym do you go to 24hour fitness of course

Mesajoin a YMCA I'm not doing that join a YMCA or some Equinox or some 24 you really have some really strong opinions about this sauna thing list I'm very I

Brian Atlasremember I was plagued I would go into the sauna first off these idiots let me tell you about the sauna for a little second here guys very related to dating okay get this right you these idiots will be like so

Brian Atlasstupid they'll like leave the door open so just all the cold air oh I forgot to close the door you idiot and then and then I I went in the dry sauna

Brian Atlasthere's a there was a dry sauna steam sauna these idiots would come in there's a sign that says don't put water on the dry and they would bring in their water bottles and start pouring

Brian Atlasit that's why I have a sa at my house now I just I had I dropped 3K for for this was years ago I just couldn't do the public s anymore and I kept getting sick I think I don't know was breathing

Brian Atlasin that hot air half naked men it's and women I wouldn't date I would if a woman talked in the SAA if she told me if I

Brian Atlaswas tell no let me double down on this if I was married to a woman if I was married to a woman for 10 years and then like we just never saw it together and we were on vacation and we get into the SAA and she starts talking to me in the

Brian Atlaspublic SAA divorce I would divorce her if she started talking to me in a sauna that's how ruthless I am what what did the sauna ever do to

Brian Atlasyou it's not about the sauna it's about the people guns don't kill people What traumatic sa experience have you had people talking people talking in the sauna it was very traumatic you get

Brian Atlasthese you get these guys coming in start telling me their life story in the sauna and they start oh what do you do for work I'm like ah I'm done yeah they're just being

Isabellafriendly well if you really don't want to talk to anyone that's when you put your airpods in people do that the sauna all the time I I didn't have I don't want to put that into the sauna they're going to melt they don't melt okay fine

Brian Atlasthey don't melts but I don't know I need my ears clear of any obstruction when I'm in the sauna okay I need to in case anyone tries to attack me in the sa I need my faculties I need to hear and he

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)threats I have a solution you should just those who don't want to talk should have a special sign for the sauna that says no talking no that should be the default okay it should be the default of the sauna nobody should talk if you go

Brian Atlasin there with your friend you shouldn't talk to your friend I don't want to hear about your Adventures the week before oh you're going to talk in the sauna oh no shut up this is very

Brian Atlasantisocial sauna Behavior right I'm an introvert okay I can't stand these inconsiderate SAA people okay moving on what were we talking about I don't remember okay we got a chat here we said

Brian Atlas5050 no brixon I'd love to hear the young man the military un foran's take on dating in politics we need to hear his opinions he actually doesn't speak

Brian AtlasEnglish he's from Chile he's a Chilean National so he he can um he only speaks Spanish I'm sorry Rick

Brian Atlasum I wish I could oblig you thank you though appreciate it uh we okay let me get through some of M wait let me let me just check here okay we're going to get through some pre-show notes that everybody

Brian Atlasprovided we talked about the cheating in relationships thing are high valued men allowed to cheat do you think they are wait does your a guy you're seeing

Hollyhe he other women is what you're saying not that I'm aware of um you know we've had these conversations though and

(background)basically what I've what I've been told SL my understanding is that um cheating is not cheating if if sorry cheating is

Hollynot cheating if they're able to tell you beforehand or give you or have an honest and open conversation so you're in an open relationship no this is not me this not I've been I've been told this by a

Hollylot of uh I guess high value men you know they want to be able to tell their wife that they've cheated they're just trying to fool you with that that I

Brian Atlasdon't I don't stand by it but you know well if you okay I mean this is where I certainly disagree with like the red pill is if

Brian Atlasyou've made a representation to your partner that you are monogamous and that you're faithful and loyal and you go and have sex with another woman one that is

Brian Atlasdefin definitionally definitionally cheating and it's wrong but some of these guys will sort of I don't know if the terms M and Bailey but or Shifting

Brian Atlasthe goalpost but they'll say well no no no no no that's not what I'm saying I'm saying I'm upfront about this I expect loyalty from them but I am going to uh I tell them that I'm not going to be loyal

Brian Atlasto them sexually which I mean seems I've heard some of the people in the red pill space make varying points about this and but they they will say that for example that

HollyI mean it's actually a good argument that men and women cheat for different reasons that's that's something that can be talked about but I also heard that um men are able to cheat without emotional

Hollyattachment and then if women cheat it's not emotional or you mean it is emal emal and then they have then we'll have to break

Brian Atlasup well yeah I do think I I do think there can be differences right like a guy could be totally checked out of the relationship if he's cheating or he could I think he could

Brian Atlasstill um it might not I just think it's wrong altogether yeah I'm not I'm not recommending in cheating but uh I've

Brian Atlasdefinitely heard like if if you've told your girlfriend or wife that you're going to be monogamous and loyal and you

Brian Atlashave sex with another woman that's still very bad to do I agree so um yes good

Brian Atlastimes we're all on the same page there which is okay here I'm gonna get into my notes Lizzy going to Lizzy here you said in your youth you made and these are your pre-show notes Here you made a lot of poor choices that make it impossible

Brian Atlasfor you to ever be considered traditional or chased I know you touched on a little bit can you tell us what what those poor choices were oh boy

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)sorry Mom uh well uh high body count I'm sure we'll get into that later MH um I did cheat on a couple guys one when I was 19 and one

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)when I was 21 and it was wrong they were good men and I'm sorry I did it um those are the main ones and I think

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)also just having an over inflated ego because I I fell into the Trap where I thought oh you know these guys are sleeping with me that means something it doesn't

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)unfortunately um so yeah I think that that's pretty much the M when you have the change of heart I well you're 3 or 35 35 okay

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)um I would say because it was a gradual process um and it's been expedited substantially um since meeting my latest partner he's changed my life I love him

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)so much he's I I I am the luckiest I feel like the luckiest girl in the world that I found him thank goodness um but uh I would say 28 28 was when I

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)first cuz that was I think that was the beginning of what they say of like hitting the wall sort of thing um so I I looked looked at myself and I just you know I looked at what I wanted to do you

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)know being a mother um I'd be happy to be a stay-at-home mom I'm I'm open to that in California it's not really practical but um uh yeah so I'd say

Mesa28 you also wrote was this for oh sorry go ahead I was just going to say was this change of heart for practical reasons or was it for other than practical reasons I'd like to say it was

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)other than practical but I'll be real it was practical I I was realizing that I was um you know I was just full of emptiness and loneliness because I would I would

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)spend time with these guys you know they' and I I I and even up until recently I've always said oh I don't regret it and whatever and I mean whether I regret it

Mesaor not is kind of irrelevant um but it's relevant okay I I that's why I'm wondering which part is pragmatism and which part is why I actually made a mistake that I'm ashamed

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)I I think that I'm ashamed of cheating that that one was an easy shame I wish I hadn't done that um I'd say

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)that the high body count for for a long time um I would say even right up into meeting my latest boyfriend I kind of wor it as a as a badge of honor um but I

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)think what also really changed is that my current boyfriend has a daughter um and she's 10 and so I have to now translate everything that I'm doing into if she did that what would I think about

Brian Atlasit and I'm like oh snap like that would not be good if she did a lot of the stuff I did so all right you said so you did say um you slept with way too many people you

Brian Atlassaid you lost track of your body count your guess is what my guess is around 100 I'm so sorry I think you said here

Brian Atlasin the notes over 100 yeah so you know I I I have yeah I'll just say over 100 yeah you you also said you were very risky with your sexual behavior did not always use protection yeah should have

Brian Atlasreally bad and you mentioned the the cheating um well for and I do look um I actually want to applaud you for being open and you know saying these things a lot of people would not be willing to

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)dis disclose this sort of thing so I certainly applaud you for your honesty um it's not about me like I I came on this podcast and I know like I might get cancelled for some of what I say but I'm trying to do I don't think you'll be

Brian Atlascanceled Andrew might get canceled I might get cancelled for having this Chilean military

Brian Atlasofficer okay um he's gone a wall he is um okay I know you wanted to talk about uh in your notes you said you wanted to

Brian Atlastalk about dating as someone who is overweight um a question for you though have you have you always been overweight your adult life yep the whole time pretty much okay um is there anything

Brian Atlasspecific that you wanted to because you said you'd like to discuss dating as a your words not mine dating as a fat woman yeah um I just I get really

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)frustrated with the fat acceptance movement because on the one hand I get it you know I prefer to not have random strangers come up to me and ver

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)Express their opinion of my body shape that would be preferred um that being said I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I don't have health issues and I'm just as healthy as someone of a

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)one of these ladies body weights um I that's all baloney and I refuse to say that something is true and it is not and I'm also not going to say that a person who doesn't want to date me is that

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)phobic I think that's absolutely ridiculous I think it is a totally reasonable thing for a man look at me and have that be a concern I think it's a biological and logical choice I get it

Mesadon't don't you think to the when you're talking about the fat shame thing that it's not about random strangers appro approaching heavy women in the street and talking smack to them

Mesathat's not really what it is it's just a matter of what Society wants to push towards as a standard or something which is promoted that seems like it's a distinction right so I don't think

Mesaanybody was ever like yes run over to to heavy women in the street and be like hey FR you know what I mean nobody ever was saying that they were just saying that you know on the other hand kind of

Mesapushing people towards the acceptance of uh of overweight women as being some kind of standard or as some kind of good for the world that's that's that's what it's about I think that's morally

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)irresponsible to do that and and I I've said this before in private but um I think that it's as unhealthy to have a woman who's exceedingly underweight on a

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)on a magazine cover as it is having test holiday on a magazine cover because they're both extremes of unhealthiness and I would prefer to see normal healthy

Rosewomen I think that would be the best thing for society oh yeah solid that was beautiful that I absolutely agree yeah the the pragmatism

Mesapart though kind of going back to this he said that you you held and i' just wondering from the priscu from the promise it side were you promiscuous because you were always heavy and so

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)that was a form of male validation yeah I think that was definitely um the Trap that I fell into yeah and is that why you wore that as a badge of honor yes I think so yeah you also said in your

Brian Atlaspre-show notes that you were feminist in your late teens and early the mid 20s now you consider yourself an equalist I'm very disappointed with how feminists behave these days and do not want to

Brian Atlasassociate myself with such hypocrisy and sexism and so I guess my question to you is did you used to hate men no oh okay that's well at least that's good that's

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)good um do you think feminists are sexist yes I do towards men some some some feminists I think are sexist to men I think it is you know there was there

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)was a woman on here a while ago and I forgot her name but she had sort of a she was a plus-sized lady she had sort of a offthe shoulder tan outfit anyway and she was like she had all these

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)tweets or she was joking around she's like oh you know men are so terrible Andrew was there for that that was atrocious I thought that that was atrocious thing to say and the way I think you that was the Gangsta drug

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)running woman yep go go ahead though go ahead um because I think if you would have reversed the Sexes and this is a good way I think to figure out whether or not you're saying something that's fair if you reverse the Sexes and it sounds

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)really bad then you know it's really bad already because it it yeah and I I also think as someone who only dates blue blue color men they are I think that blue color men are totally disrespected

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)and you know I think that no offense but a lot of women like yourself you want you know someone who's can treat you like a princess and pay for all these things but there's a lot of blueco collar men that yeah okay they can't buy

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)you diamond earrings and fancy cars but they are hardworking and they are good men and they make great husbands they have like good good morals exactly yeah not all of them of course but yeah going

Brian Atlasaround the table really quick who here considers thems a feminist like do I believe in equal rights for men and women well I think that's different than

Mesawhat feminism is but I know people have different definitions of what feminism in this so what's what's your definition well he he doesn't need to give you his definition to have you define whether or not you think you're the thing or not

Isabellathe thing well I think that the term feminist has become a more negative

Andrew Wilsonterm saved by donated $200 I'm still amazed you've slept with over 100 people if you could only choose one option would you have rather waited

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)until marriage or slept with those same 100 people so this is a great example of what I mentioned where I'm thinking of my stepdaughter when I say this I would rather have waited until marriage and I

Isabellahope she does the same okay thank you Nash Nabu for the uh TTS appreciate it so as I was saying so yeah the term

Isabellafeminist has a different definition than what its original definition was and the original definition was what I just said that it's like fighting for women and men to have equal rights but now so many

Isabellapeople on the internet have made it this term that women should have more than men which is kind of backwards so I don't believe in that I don't think women should have anything more I think

Dezit should be equal going around the table in the tradition in the traditional sense of feminism I would say a little bit yes

Dezbut I'm not very sided one way no no nope no into the mic please I don't

Mesaidentify with modern Western feminism Andrew are are you a feminist I am not ah okay what is an Eastern

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)feminist um I personally just I don't know if there's such a thing even as an Eastern feminist but I don't think that the things that feminism here in the

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)west have become about currently are actual real issues um I think that you know there's a lot of women out there um crying about hey we can't um show like

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)our armpit hair we can't free our nipples on Street while there are women um now who still don't have access to education who don't have access to their own bodies who are being married off at

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)12 years old and younger and I think that those issues are far more pressing uh for women than not being able to show your boobs on the street

Brian Atlasum you mentioned actually that's the only right that I can think of that men have that women don't is the ability to go shirtless I cannot think of any right

Brian Atlasin the US have that right just depends it's all in some cities yes you uh the women can be topless interestingly enough though even if it's legal women aren't

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)like chomping at the bit to go topless in public so uh it's it's very like performative I think what's going on here I think women have gotten so many

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)rights and so many privileges here I see a lot of women um like people that I know personally complaining about these you know topics that aren't so important um that are

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)not like not life or death and you know things like that and I haven't heard them say a word about you know women that are getting um circumcised in

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)Africa um tortured things like that that are being raped in Congo Sudan enslaved oh I'm so sorry um things like that people have difficulty never mind oh I'm

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)sorry I'm sorry I forgot um but there are real issues that are going on where women are being you know just actually tortured and so why do you think modern feminists

Mesadon't give a about them because I don't see anyone talking speaking up about these issues why do you think modern feminists don't give a about them they clearly don't why do you what do you think the motivation

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)is I think because the society we live in here in the west is very um self-centered and there's no sense of community and it's all about me me me what can self for what can what can the

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)world do for me oh I don't have these things that I want materialistic things most of the time what can they do for me versus you know these other women these other people around are suffering what can I do to help them it's all all about

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)ourselves and I think we've gotten so privileged here um that we've just started inventing things to to be upset about and creating problems when there aren't honestly there aren't things to

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)complain about that much there's still are things here but like still are things going on here but um yes yeah I'm going to stop there it's

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)hard for me to express myself English it good well put well well that was beautiful that was beautiful okay so and I've seen it with my own eyes I'm sorry

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)to to cut you off Brian but I've seen it with my own two eyes I've seen things going on on the other side of the world that are completely unfair and women being barred from going to school and and being barred from even leaving their houses and being forced into marriages

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)and things like that that are awful and does anyone here ever say anything about it no they don't care they just are mad because uh I don't know what was it there was this issue about like the things on the street being called a manhole they're like that's not fair

Brian Atlaslike are you serious that's not that's not an issue you're fine you know what's actually funny about that the whole like uh policeman fire fireman

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)manhole so are you wanting to export feminism then to solve those issues I don't know what the solution would be but I do think that there has to be

Mesamaybe a human rights thing more so than feminism but that's that's what feminism was right was egalitarianism is a human right mhm so here's the question kind

Mesaof it's kind of an odd thing right so you say feminism leads to this all these bad outcomes and the bad outcome is all these selfish people doing all this selfish trying to figure out problems that they're going to invent

Mesaand then you say but wait look at these other places where there's all these problems going on shouldn't we export the thing that caused all the problems over here in order to solve all the problems there yeah I get your point it

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)it is very complicated if there was just because of how humans are we are very selfish ingredient it's kind of you know you give someone an inch they want to take a mile so I think it is an interesting conversation to have about

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)how can we give these rights and and get these women in other places know the thing that are essential without it getting out of hand as it has over here which

Mesacan that be done I'm not sure yeah I don't know that's the question right it's like Can it can that be done I don't think that can be done I think when you're you're talking or you're you're saying you need to export the

Mesathing that caused all these problems to solve all those problems over there seems like it just connects with brand new sets of the same problems that you're trying to solve here I was like does that actually work does does

Mesaexporting Western value to fix these Eastern problems work not really well I'm not sure about exporting Western value specifically but I do think that well what's feminism if it's not a western

Mesavalue yeah yeah it's a western value so it's just it's like it doesn't and it doesn't work it doesn't work to solve whatever these you know kind of perceived issues are it's like you

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)brought up arrange marriage right yes you have a problem with arrange marriage I personally don't have a problem with arranged marriage I but I do think that there because it's a system which can work

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)right yeah I I actually in my notes I wrote that I'm actually um I think we should destigmatize arranged marriages but I think that there are uh conditions

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)so obviously both parties are consenting both parties are of age um I think if it's just the thing where like it's you know parents kind of being like we think you two would be a good match meet each

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)other talk go out a couple times see if it works and if those people are down for it then great but I don't think it should be the thing where we found you a husband you have to marry him and you

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)have no say or will hurt you kill you kick you out things like that um but I've seen arrange marriages work in my own family uh very sorry very well um and there

Mesaweren't there haven't been any issues or any concerns that have come up and they weren't forced right so just because these are Eastern values doesn't mean that their bad values or that Western values need to be exported right yeah I

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)think not all Eastern values are bad I think a a lot of Eastern values actually are rooted in good things but um again like it human nature uh you know you give someone a little bit of power they tend to take over um and want more and

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)more so I think that things have kind of gone out of hand um in the east as well in terms of power and things that you know morals and and things like that of virtue and all that have gone to the

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)point where women can sometimes be like overprotected and and shielded inside um just to uphold those values

Brian Atlaswith your definition of feminism since I guess you're a feminist right with my definition what is your def your definition equality between men and women equal rights okay but so you

Brian Atlasthink we're currently still fighting for that correct in the US or in the world well I don't know about the current state of equality between men and women

Isabellain in uh like the United luberg I don't know well having lived in you know a developing country with a more patriarchal society like Egypt if you compare that to when I moved here you

Isabellaknow obviously women have way more rights here sure um I think you know there still some little things so to men right men have more rights here than

Isabellathey do in Egypt too don't they um yeah I'm some in some cases yeah like just I think a lot of people just

Isabelladon't have a lot of Rights in general over there rights don't exist it's not that they don't exist like it's not as it's not North

IsabellaKorea it's do rights exist in Egypt no do they just exist at all yeah where what do you mean can you

Isabellapoint to one well you know like in Saudi Arabia women recently in the recent years they just got their vote the right to to

Mesavote so they got they got a right so it didn't exist before they got it yeah they didn't have the right to vote right so it didn't exist so rights don't exist they're just G things that are given to

Mesapeople right they entitlements absent Duty they don't actually exist well it's like men had the right so it existed in the first place didn't have the right there was no right there's no rights there's no such thing as a right it's

Isabellacompletely made up social construction it's arbitrary completely meaning so like in the first 10 amendments when they talk about your rights like right to bear arms your right to a speedy

Isabellatrial do you have a right to bear arms as an American yeah yeah can you bear a nuke I no no you can't I thought you had a right to bear arms well it like to an

Isabellaextent like there's still governing laws especially within each I thought it was right I well that's for you to talk to the so it's not a right it's something

Mesabesides a right a conditional right conditional right does that mean we can put more conditions on the right until it doesn't even become the right I guess if you want to then there's no rights it's just all made up AR it's just made up nonsense there's no right yeah

Rosetechnically it is made up because someone had to write right it's all made up you wanted to come I was just going to say at the time that that right was written down in the Constitution uh there was not nukes so

Mesaoh awesome yeah there's just massive warships that could canonade an entire coastal city and blow it to Smither canate I like that but uh you can't own one of those

Brian Atlaseither actually I probably could if I had the money I could probably buy like a you know like a ship with cannons on it do you want to become a pirate with

Mesame and derailing deril derailing sorry I'm just saying you have you have the right you have the right to bear arms it doesn't mean you can just mass murder you're a little too far from the mic what does the right to bear arms have to

Mesado with mass murdering well you just brought up an example of mass murder with with the giant warship no that was an example of that it was to express to you that even if the technology did not at the time exist for whatever these

Mesalimitations you're putting on modern guns it's totally irrelevant because there was technology which was still highly powerful which could take out entire coastal cities even then at the time right then so arms includes what

Mesadoes that include exactly that's a good question that's what I'm trying to figure out like just like freedom of speech does that only include printing press because that's what they had at the time mhm it's my question so we're talking about rights I don't think there

Mesaare rights I think that they're made up I've never had anybody demonstrate to me that there's an actual right to do what is a right well by your logic as just saying like oh rights

Isabelladon't exist because it's things people made up and it you can almost say it's like a social construct say that about literally anything in the entire world like the Govern well yeah cuz the government was technically made up by people the people made up everything like even the written

Mesathe alphabet but democracy is a social construction communism is a social construction these are all governmental bodies but material things do exist this microphone exists you could maybe say calling it a microphone is a social

Mesaconstruction but it does exist this is material and exists oh yeah rights are not Material rights do not exist absence of mind they're just things that exist inside the mind right so when that's why

Mesapeople are always like my right to do you don't have a right to do you just it's just made up nonsense ultimately I mean it's made up by your government what's made up by your government your rights so then your

Mesagovernment can make up that you have no rights if they unfortunately yeah well then there's no rights you just have something which is an entitlement that they're calling a right right so they say you can do this until we say you

Mesacan't do this so what makes it a right doesn't that seem like it's just a privilege you're just being allowed to do something I think you're getting into semantics not quite semantics are super important for Concepts so yeah it is it

Mesais semantics semantics are important to two concepts so if you have a concept of right I want to know what a right is and I want to know why you think people have them what is

Brian Atlasone I think what you're what the right to education the right to education let me let me uh maneuver here

Brian Atlasa little bit so the question though for Isabella what is one right that a man has in the United States that a woman does

Brian Atlasnot because there's feminists there's massive women's organizations feminist organizations in the United States it has feminism has major systemic and um

Brian Atlasuh what's there the two what are the two buzzwords people use systemic and institutional institutional power in this country and if feminism about you know equalizing the supposed rights

Brian Atlasbetween men and women what are the rights that feminism is fighting for for women to have equalized between themselves and or well between men and women well when I

Brian Atlassaid that I believe in equal rights you know I wasn't only talking about the United States okay well let's talk about the United States so are there currently in the United States any rights that are

Brian Atlasafforded to men that women do not have um i' have to look into it more you so you're purporting to fight for something but you're not even sure what world

Isabellabecause you know I I haven't lived in the US for very long so I wouldn't like even though I'm technically American I wouldn't claim this as like my country

Isabellaso you're currently like doing advocacy for Egypt I'm just advocacy specifically you know I'm not going out to protest

Isabellalike all the time and like donating to things but of course like I'm not going to say I don't think that they should be

Isabellaequal there because I've seen like what she said she's seen people like women have all their rights taken away in whatever countries like similar things

Isabellahappen in Egypt where they're not treated very well and that's okay over there right but I don't I don't know I'm not really interested in speaking about Egypt yeah that's understandable I mean

Isabellayou didn't clarify if I just meant about the US treated badly in Egypt um worse than I was treated here yeah what does that mean though you know I was harassed like pretty much oh sorry well no no no

Brian Atlasbut like I've I don't know I've heard some not very positive things about Egypt no offense since you live there for a long period of time especially Cairo I've heard it's uh it's not

Isabellagreate hard living there it's very it's a difficult country to live especially when you come from like a Western Country and then you move there afterwards of course I will acknowledge

Isabellathat I did have it better than the average citizen or person living in Egypt because I was an expat okay so you know expats of course they're going to have it better than the average Egyptian

Brian Atlasliving in Egypt for the most part all right well moving on with my notes Here We were talking oh your blind date Lizzie tell us about your blind date oh

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)boy okay um well it was the only because I pretty much get along with pretty much most people but this was the one time

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)where no second date on this one um I um agreed to meet for drinks um and

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)I show up and instantly I could see that we weren't a match physically um I think we were in terms of like just biological looks but he was kind of wearing the S

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)you know in The Matrix when nio wears that long coat the black Co that one yep he was wearing that and like these kind of interesting glasses and I was like in a summer dress so he looked kind of

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)weird uh and then we went into the bar got the drinks and you know and he proceeds to to tell me that he is a vampire who has died seven times and I

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)was I'm I'm a no BS kind of gal so I was like okay that's not going to work for me um and then so but I was already there so I was like all right I'll

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)complete this this date here um and then we're going to leave and he's like oh you know can I come with you to your place and I was no he was like okay uh can I escort you home and I was like you

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)can escort me to the bus depot and um on the way there he told me that his last girlfriend had a restraining order against him so that

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)was like nail in the vampire coffin I guess um so that yeah that didn't uh that didn't work out at all who said don't think we needed anything pass the vampire set you up with a Vampire that's

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)that's F did did you mention the whole him being he died seven times Y and he's a vampire y so big time meter going off on that one last girlfriend had a restraining order yeah on him allegedly that's what he said trying to

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)drink her blood or something what was going on there you didn't like try to mess with him a little bit no like wouldn't that have been hilarious just been like well do it an eth let's see what happens no it wouldn't have been genuine and I I try to be genuine so no

Brian Atlasyou said it was one of the few times you did not hook up with a date no sorry no second date no no you kind of I mean I'm not going to lie you could have at

Brian Atlasleast I don't know you're kind of missing out on at least one sexual encounter with a Vampire I'm just saying you you know you said your body counts over 100 you should have thrown a

Brian Atlasvampire in right why turn down a vampire Because unless it's unless it's oh what was that movie wait did he have the teeth he did not

Brian Atlasso another problem poser step your up that's amateur hour dude how are you going to claim your Vamp and not have has anybody seen True Blood how you going to

Brian AtlasCL oh you know what it could have been the vampires in True Blood they can hide their fangs so maybe he was that type of vampire okay

Brian Atlasyeah okay uh oh wait was it what was that movie with the Wesley Snipes Blade maybe it was I don't know he was the day Walker he

Brian Atlasdressed like one I guess so that he went to his date dressed like a little bit yeah wait did you know before going on the date that he identified no

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)no no no what about what how did you meet him dating AB I did yes um was it like vampire dating up uh oh God what dating app was it Christian Mingle no it's probably

Brian AtlasChristian Ming Farmers Only no there's a lot of Vamps like on these fu so this was the that's a real thing there's Christian Mingle and there's Farmers Only it's a real thing no no Vamps yeah there's people who have done

Brian Atlaswe had the F the dog lady a couple shows yeah I've seen that Froot Loop stuff but there's like we need a vamp girl on this show I want to talk to a vampire girl uh yeah people identify Andrew there's

Brian Atlasother do you know otherkin thean do you know about thean they think they're dogs and animals and girl on here who thought she was a dog didn't you there's yeah people want

Mesato pretend to be vampires some for some of them it's a lifestyle thing some for others it's a kink can't you bring those people around when I'm in the studio bro I'm trying listen I've been

Brian Atlastrying for months to find a vampire if there's any female vampires watching the show we'll have you on the closest we got a couple shows ago was some uh blood witches we had blood witches which was

Brian Atlasthat would have been great too I bring on the blood witches I think you were you were we were have you dude that would have been so good whatever um okay let's see what

Brian Atlaselse topics you wanted to discuss we uh hit uh body I think we talked about the fat shaming body positivity you said dating hot takes not wanting to date me because I am obese is

Brian Atlascompletely Isabella kindly get off your phone not wanting to date me because I am obese is completely understandable and fair yes okay not wanting to date me because I ran through is also completely

Brian Atlasunderstandable and fair you say you're embarrassed as Woman by how delusional selfish rude entitled and unself-aware Western women are overall you also say you wish you could take back your promiscuity I feel is my responsibility

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)to be honest and accept the outcome of my choices yeah correct okay all right there you go which interestingly and ironically I

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)have found that case in point I'm in a very happy relationship that actually being self-accountable and being honest has in fact helped me in the dating

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)world because you know okay yeah I've been a Floy but at least I'm an honest Floy and that's yeah you know what I somebody said this recently um when it comes

Brian Atlasto I think it was I don't know honesty is very important honesty is very important and uh yeah so uh really quick you you did say not wanting to date me

Brian Atlasbecause I'm ran through is totally understandable and fair I want to open this up to the rest of the girls on the panel here so she says totally fair if a guy

Brian Atlasdoesn't want to date her because of her body count so do you object to men caring about a woman's body count starting with you go ahead I don't really think it should

Isabellamatter I mean I don't care about what someone's body count is I think it can remain private between you and your partner if you want what do you mean it can remain

Brian Atlasprivate like if you know like if you guys want to talk about it then you can talk would you withhold that information if somebody asked you what yours was um no oh okay but so you you don't care

Brian Atlasabout body count but do you object to men let's say a guy cared about your body count or another woman's body count and didn't want to date her because of that do you object to

Isabellathat um I mean it kind of just depends on what if let's say the man is a virgin and also wants to be with a virgin then he then that's that's pretty

Isabellaunderstandable if they both want to okay lose their virginity to each other what if the man's not but still wants one um I mean he can have his

Brian Atlaspreference I think it's a little weird to specifically only want a virgin well hold on let's Okay so it could be a virgin but let's say it could also be a woman who has a low body count one two

Isabellathree partner I think it it's is that weird too no but I think it's only weird if let's say the man's body count is very high and he's

Brian Atlasonly seeking a woman with a low body count what if what if it's 10 his body count is 10 and he wants a girl who's got a body count of one or two or

Isabellazero I mean I just don't see how it should matter it's not like if you go on these dating apps there's like an option cuz you know that they have preferences on there there's not option like oh I want someone with this like less than this number of bodies or this number

Brian Atlaslike is that something you're going to ask someone on their first date sure I would do it I'll do it before the first date slide slide into my DMs what's your body if it wasn't even if it

Isabellawas the second or third date like why who cares then you're still going to ask right okay I mean like you do you like I'm sure if that's what you want or whoever hypothetical person once and

Isabellathey you know go on all these dates with different women and find out their body count and then reject them after finding out their body count then after a certain number of women maybe they will find that one person who doesn't care about their high body count or whatever

Isabellatheir body count is and then will also have a low body count like what the man wants okay so you said previously though that you object to a guy who isn't a

Isabellavirgin let's say a guy's been with three women and he wants a woman who's a virgin do you object to that well is he actively seeking a woman like they have to be a virgin that's a complete deal

Isabellabreaker yeah I just think that like why do they want that it's a little but who cares why they want it it just seems a little bit strange like almost like like CU I know a lot of people fetishize people who yeah but who cares what if

Isabellait's just a fetish who cares like from your perview why would you even care well cuz I think fetishization is a little bit weird like people fetishize me all the time for being Asian I I stay away from those people I think it's weird being fetishized wait so do you

Isabellathink it's wrong to have like a rational racial preference I I've never I never said wrong of a racial preference I think it's weird to completely shut out a race because of your preference like

Isabellalet's say you meet someone who isn't your like normal racial preference but you happen to get along you have that connection and you're open to seeing where things go rather than just seeing like oh they're this race I'm going to

Mesaimmediately cut them off because that's let me try this a different way other than personal feelings how you personally feel do you have any objection to any of this do you have a single objection to a man with a high

Mesabody count wanting a woman with low or no body count or somebody wanting to date within only races other than just me feel do you have any other objection

Isabellabesides my feelings I guess not but I still I mean I know you said so then if another guy says yeah but I feel differently then you're basically I mean people can do

Isabellawhatever they want my personal opinion is that it seems a little weird you mean your feeling weird how is it weird like which thing specifically the guy who's

Isabellaslept with five women women who wants a virgin yeah well why is that weird actively seeking a virgin only and that's a complete deal breaker because

Isabellasure let's say that's the case well some I'm not saying all of them but it's pretty common for someone who is actively only seeking that that's a deal breaker is it's like a fetishization and

Mesathey want to be the only okay well let's say in the cases where it's not a fetish they're not fetishizing it let's say it's religious well if it's religious it

Mesashould be on both ends like well what wait what why well cuz like let's say I mean I don't know like what educate me enlighten me like which religion well I mean you said it I'm just asking you

Isabellalike why would it why would the precondition of because you're religious mean that it has to be on both ends I I didn't say it has to be but I think it would make more sense if you would rather be with someone but it's

Mesanot it's not a fetish let's say somebody has what they consider a Divine Command right and I'm not even specifically saying Christianity anything like this but let's just say a person believes they have a Divine command to marry a woman who's never

Mesabeen with anybody else that's their Divine command now they're not in fetishization territory do you have any objection to it at all I mean I guess not cuz people can do whatever they want to do and like they

Isabellacan like there's someone for everyone I'm sure they can find someone who agrees with them and has the same values and mindset as them so like who am I to object yeah so there's really no objection to it other than you just kind

Isabellaof like you're grossed out by fetishes right yeah okay do you think for that situation it would only be considered a fetish not only but I'm just saying

Isabellathere are a lot of people out there who do fetishize virgins because of whatever reasons like they think that it's pure like they want to be the first person to like enter

Isabellathem or take theirin what's the difference between a fetish and a preference like a sexual preference versus a sexual pref fetish what's the difference so the difference is if you have a preference this is kind of what I

Isabellawas saying before like there's someone you prefer but you're not completely shutting out someone else because of it it's just like let's say I prefer I don't know like strawberry cake

Isabellabut there's only like vanilla cake around like sure I'll have some vanilla cake even though I'd rather have strawberry cake it's like I'm not completely shutting out every other

Isabellaflavor of cake but if you what if you only like strawberry cake then I yeah but like like I said before you can yeah but is that a fetish cuz you only like

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