Andrew Wilson! DUMPED Because She Did OF?! Men Making $50,000 Should NOT Date?! | Dating Talk #136

Date: 2024-02-19

Duration: 6h 59m

Guests

Brian Atlas

IIsabella (DT136)>

HHolly (DT136)>

SSophia (DT136)>

LLizzy (DT136)>

AAndrew Wilson >

UUnnamed (Algerian-Canadian, DT136)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_02Sophia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Isabella(guest)

SPEAKER_04Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Mesa(guest)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_07Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_08Rose(guest)

SPEAKER_09Dez(guest)

SPEAKER_12Holly(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteBrian declares war on talking in saunas

“if I was married to a woman for 10 years and we get into the SAA and she starts talking to me in the public SAA divorce”

QuoteLizzy discloses body count of 100+

“I unfortunately have a very high body count and a lot of that happened in my 20s because I slept with a lot of gorgeous men admittedly um but they didn't want to wife me or girlfriend me”

QuoteLizzy at 35, unmarried and surprised

“I think that now at 35 and unmarried I I did not see that coming”

QuoteLizzy confirms body count 'over 100'

“in the notes over 100 yeah so you know I I I have yeah I'll just say over 100”

QuoteHolly: 'my money is my money and his money is our money'

“my money is my money and his money is our money”

QuoteHolly says she has no exes (disassociates from past relationships)

“I don't have exes um and I would say unavailable”

QuoteSophia describes polyamorous relationship

“it was with two hetero guys um and one girl... we were all still friends we care about each other a lot”

QuoteAndrew Wilson states women have very low functional intelligence

“I think they have very low functional intelligence generally it's just me though”

QuoteDez's current sugar daddy tipped $1200

“the other night was like 1 12200 which was cool”

QuoteDez describes feeder sugar daddy arrangement

“he would give me money but have me send him videos of me like eating and like looking like overweight and stuff cuz he got off on that”

QuoteDez says 'all gas no brakes' about gasoline incident

“everybody else needs gas everybody else needs gas all gas no breaks”

QuoteDez describes throwing gasoline on ex-boyfriend's car

“I saw another girl in the back of his car and I got mad and I this gas tank was in my way and it spilled on me and I got pissed and I just started throwing the gas all over his car and the people in it”

Topics Discussed

Introductions

Guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Then go around on relationship status.

Sauna Etiquette Tangent

Brian goes on an extended rant about talking in public saunas being rude. Isabella mentions she met her boyfriend in a gym sauna. Chat votes: talking in sauna is rude.

Sean Evans / Melissa Stratton Breakup Reaction

Panel reacts to Hot Ones host Sean Evans breaking up with porn star Melissa Stratton on Valentine's Day. Discussion of whether he was wrong, Adam 22's Twitter trolling, and whether men should date sex workers.

Men Making $50,000 Should Not Date (Video Reaction)

Panel reacts to viral video of a woman saying men making $50k/year should not date. Discussion of income thresholds for dating, cost of living in California, what women contribute, 50/50 in relationships. Lizzy defends blue-collar men.

Princess/Queen Treatment & Men Providing

Discussion of what 'princess treatment' means, Holly's expectation of $5-10k/month in lifestyle spending, women dating up vs. men committing, women's inability to 'go back' after dating high-value men.

Cheating, High-Value Men, and Open Relationships

Whether high-value men are allowed to cheat. SPEAKER_07 (Lizzy) shares experience of sleeping with attractive men who wouldn't commit. Discussion of men's vs. women's attachment during sex.

Lizzy's Past Choices and Body Count Disclosure

Lizzy (35) discloses body count of 100+, discusses poor choices in youth including cheating at 19 and 21, change of heart at 28, and current regret at being 35 and unmarried.

50/50 in Relationships

Panel discussion on whether relationships should be 50/50 financially. Isabella describes her 75/25 dynamic with new boyfriend. Most women prefer men to pay more.

5050 Finance Debate & Dating Cost Context

Extended discussion on 50/50 vs. traditional financial roles; California cost of living context.

Body Count Discussion

Extended debate on whether body count matters, men's right to care about it, double standards, and whether high body count women are promiscuous by choice. Body count round: Isabella declined, Dez 15-20, Holly declined, 'zero waiting for marriage' (unidentified).

Same-Sex Activity Discussion

Panel unanimously says they would not date a man who has been in a same-sex relationship. Andrew Wilson raises the double standard on women's same-sex activity.

Sophia's Divisive Show Critique

Sophia (SPEAKER_02) challenges Brian on the show being divisive and adversarial. Brian and Andrew Wilson defend the debate format. Discussion of open-mindedness and consistency.

Sophia's Polyamory Story

Sophia shares her brief polyamorous relationship (2 men, 1 other woman). Concluded monogamy works better for her.

Sophia's Plane to France Story

Sophia met a stranger on a plane to France; they talked the whole flight, kissed, and explored Paris together for a romantic day.

Age Gap Relationships

Discussion of what age gaps are appropriate. Holly (22) is dating a man ~14 years older (~36). Panel debates predatory vs. normal age gaps. Holly says she couldn't date someone her own age.

Makeup as Misrepresentation Debate

Brian's position that makeup is a lie; debate on whether it misrepresents women similarly to men lying about height. Isabella discusses how severe acne affected her views.

Dez: Sugar Daddy with Feeder/Weight Fetish

Dez describes a sugar daddy who paid her to gain weight and send eating videos; also paid for heel-choke sessions. She received ~$2k/month + bonuses for weight milestones.

Holly's Twitter Rants

Brian pulls up Holly's Twitter: 'all men are liars,' birthday promises not kept, Valentine's Day men not celebrating rant. Holly explains context for each.

Dez: OnlyFans, Stripping, and Dating Sex Workers

Extended discussion of Dez's OnlyFans content and stripping career. Whether men are insecure or principled for not dating sex workers. Dez's feeder sugar daddy story. Stripper tales (nipple-rubbing VIP).

Dez: Toxic Relationship and Gas-Throwing Incident

Dez describes throwing gasoline on her ex-boyfriend's car after seeing another girl in it. Nearly lit the car on fire. Attributes incident to being bipolar and intoxicated.

Transcript

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Hollyfor example so my degree my degree is in marketing and Comm right so say for example I wanted to go open up a marketing agency that could potentially bring in like 20K a month in Revenue I can ask my man to help me start up

Hollybusiness okay and poten like he's doing something for you yeah but potentially I'm going to give him earnings down the line right yeah I don't mind contract maybe you give yourself the back but maybe not okay but no one complains yeah

MesaI know but what I'm saying is yeah but I'm saying down the line like I you can learn things you know over time what I'm saying is if this guy already is spending this kind of money probably doesn't need your help in business and

Mesathen you say but wait if you invest in me and my business then I'll gain enough experience we're down the line Maybe I can help you that seem like a really bad deal but that's why I don't no one

Andrew Wilsonnothing's expected of the lady the lady is just there you just exist right 10,000 a month $200 popped back in and wow is it a

Andrew Wilsonshock that these girls want a lot and off a little to the ladies what do you offer a man other than three years will let me get back at him let me get back at him because I don't think I communicated this properly like as a

Hollywoman you are expected to do things oh are you answering yeah oh okay okay as a woman you are expected to do things keeping the house clean keeping things in order making sure he's good when he comes home from work food blah blah blah blah blah you're supposed to be not have

Hollya bad attitude I agree there's fundamental things but I'm saying I've never encountered a guy or at least entertain someone who has sat there and asked me what do you bring to the table no masculine man asked that question why

Hollywhy would that be a hit to masculinity it would be a hit to masculinity because because you know that a woman is there to compliment you and and and she's she's an asset to you and in terms of like doesn't sound like you're an asset sounds like you just cost $10,000 a

Hollymonth but we said 10,000 was hypothetical right no that wasn't hypothetical that was your answer that was not that was not the hypothetical part I said something like maybe like between like 5 to 10 grand a month and extra expenses you have a wife you know

Hollyhow much you spend on your wife a month yeah it's not $10,000 okay but I'm sure you at least probably spending a couple ground on her with eating going out to eat vacation stuff like that no we put

Andrew Wilsonall that towards the kids well I don't have kids and I don't date man with kids yeah no I get it but what I'm saying to you is that if we're niod donated $200 thank you niod you ever looked up the

Andrew Wilsonprice of a gift and gotten mad your boyfriend didn't pay enough on you toxic attitude BTW video was just a black Carla Ilia I wonder if she supports poor

Brian AtlasEugenics too I don't even know the name the name yeah n actually Nickelodeon Andrew um actually he helped me kind of craft the argument with uh

Brian Atlaswell if you what I'm trying to remember what it was but basically she said that uh broke men should not have children and argue or and Andrew you pointed out

Mesato me that that's basically a Eugenics program yeah that's eugenic in nature so but but back to this yeah thank you Nickelodeon and I'm not even picking on I'm actually just trying to understand

Mesaright just trying to understand when when you we're asking what you bring to the table you're like well I'm a good human being that's what you're saying I'm a good human being it's like okay but he's a good human

Mesabeing and he's spending $110,000 a month so when you're asking what are you bring to the table right since it's strictly a materialist worldview that you have on

Andrew Wilsonthis it's strictly material so you're saying oh grid One Motorsports donated $200 a man making that kind of money does not have time for such nonsense and

Andrew Wilsonhookers are cheaper you need to bring something to the table other than than needing a man to pay your way right but we don't need a man to pay our way we have our own money yeah yeah but but what he's saying he's actually making a really good point so let me try to frame

Mesait better thanks saying there's only a material mindset here material mindset is well I sued that I provide a material dinner and I clean the house and this are all material things the expectation

Mesafrom him is that he provides material way harder right5 $110,000 in order to complement things that you desire right so they ask really when you they're asking what do you bring to the table

Mesasaying what do you compliment that he desires what is the material thing that you think that you bring to the table that is desired by the man well

Hollyunfortunately most men just kind of want a trophy and I think that's the most material thing ever that's it not that's not it but then

Hollydeeper than that most men obviously want peace they want you know someone to come home to and someone to speak too but it doesn't sound like a trophy it sounds like something else I'm okay you don't

Hollyknow if you live in LA no okay I know a lot of La girls and who get crazy things monthly from their boyfriends husbands or whatever they don't do anything

Hollybut sit on the side of their man and be pretty so I'm going to say from that end of the spectrum those men are just looking for a pretty face to walk around in a business meeting mhm but someone who maybe wants a balance of that or

Hollydifferent they want a woman who not only takes care of herself but it's going to be add value to his life in a way that he can be comfortable in the home and like come back to the home and and be peaceful with her that's that's what you think the value is so if we were to say

Mesafor instance one of these women that you're talking about who is a trophy for one of these men in La what's the difference between her and a prostitute

Mesaexactly I I think ownership what it ownership couldn't she walk away from the relationship even easier than the the The Prostitute could at least the

Mesaprostitute there's a contract right no well there is right it's still a contract it's like you hand me money and then there's sex involved yeah but so couldn't the trophy like walk away even easier than the prostitute could so I

Mesamean like what's the actual distinction here between I just exist and I'm just here to be a trophy and I mean it just sounds like prostitution essentially right ask the men I don't know why I'm asking

Hollyyou I don't I don't know man I just observe I just observe because at the end of the day like the wives in those situations when they get divorced they walk away you know with the big sum and The Prostitute doesn't yeah that's a

Mesagood point I don't know that's a really good point they do but I'm not sure that that's uh helpful to the relationship dynamics that we're talking about here I

Hollydon't know what's helpful if the men are happy with doing what they do then let them do it who are we to judge I don't quite understand your question exactly

Roseabout it because what she brings is a relationship and someone to spend time with emotional support all the things that come with the healthy relationship no she no she doesn't she's saying that

Mesathere's a material existence which is there and her job is to do nothing except just to exist the material relationship cuz that's what men want no no no I'm not that's what she said I'm not I'm not saying that I'm saying that

Hollythere are certain standards in a relationship that I would that to even be in a relationship this is the bare minimum standard but of course if I'm my relationship with a man I'm bonding with

Hollyhim I'm I'm doing things for him we're there together it's a companionship so what's the so what's the expectations that's the questions what do you bring

Hollyto the table the expect for him for you he just he just to take care of the house like take care of business you know that's the expectation

Mesawhat what is your wife's expectation I don't know my wife's expectation my wife's expectation was to give me children take good care of my children and to obey that's the expectation okay well I would obey my partner for sure

Mesathe children part I'm not looking to have children anytime soon yeah no I get it but when you say obey what do you mean by that like to be respectful and to be submissive to your man respect and submission is different than obey what

Mesado you what's your defition well obeyence is I do what when I say to do something you do it and if I make a decision that you disagree with ultimately I have the final say and you don't have one oh that your wife has to

Mesaabide by that yeah why doesn't she have a final say why would she well does she not offer anything to you that would allow her it's up to my choosing whether or not I intake that and agree with it

Dezor disagree with it but ultimately if I disagree with it it's my decision so you're the one with the javel a javel a gav gav a gavl the judge no no

Isabellait's uh in in a Christian marriage man's the head of the household okay so when you guys first got together was she already like that or did you have to like bring up these ideas that like she

Mesaif there wasn't if there wasn't an understanding from the at least near the beginning of the relationship that that was the expectation yeah there wouldn't have been a relationship okay so this is but there's a question is I think I

Mesathink what's missing is that I think men value virtue and I think women don't give a I think that they mostly seem to Value material instead of virtue and so this is where I think the disconnect is I don't know how you can

Rosesay that well I just said it there's men all there's like you could generalize and say men are very materialistic in like America how are they materialistic fast cars the designer clothing met are

Hollymaterialistic as hell these preferences for things which are material however men value things above the material so do woman what children when that happens

Mesasometimes your relig that's material any experiences Family Friends Community yeah what are the higher values though like things like Integrity

Mesayeah things should be at top of the list why wasn't it then I I was just if it should be at the top of the list why wasn't it at the top of that was a weird way to frame it us there's it's not a weird way to frame there's material

Hollythere's non-material virtues are non-material when you said virtue then I kind of realized what you were saying but of course Integrity honesty respect like all these things are areil all of those things are super important correct okay but so the

Mesadisconnect that I see this is what I'm saying is it just seems that men seem to take accountability for those virtues a lot better than women do at least in the modern era aagree broad generalization

Mesayeah because it's broadly and generally true okay do you have if you want to make it more hypers specific I'm happy to do it do you have any like studies do you have a stud sociological study let

Mesame tell you about sociological studies first of all 60% of them basically you can dismiss right away and do you know why this because of What's called the replication crisis so what's happened is there's two major fields which are

Mesanon-scientific they're called Soft Sciences the first medical field the second sociology these are the two which are the worst affected by this the problem is is that most the studies in sociology can't be replicated most not

Mesasome most of them can't be replicated so anytime somebody says what a what about my studies and my sociology problem is it's a soft science because of controls so I dismiss a lot of it and I probably should most people should probably

Mesadismiss a lot of it because of replication you're just speaking off your experience well observable intrinsic reality and I have an an observance to history as well but even if we were to use modern data right

Rosebring up whatever you want we can get into it I mean you're basically saying women are inherently inferior when it comes to Virtue yeah yes I the whatever podcast that's what

Brian AtlasI'm saying yes the views expressed by the guest on whatever podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever podcast show me where women go and fight for their country and die for

Roseit that's not everybody has their own role what's their role I mean aren't I mean you're like a red pill guy I'm not a red what is their role so while you're off fighting for

Mesathe wars we were given the role to take care of the home to take care of the family children all of that oh yeah I mean what a terrible job you had to do the same exact thing that you were already doing before men went and fought

Brian Atlasa war do you wish that was you like what Andrew are you trying to get my channel cancelled what are you trying to do here what Andrew's trying to get my channel and by the way Andrew's just joking

Brian Atlasabout all of this maybe not I'm funing yeah that's all just fun I do want to try to narrow down a little bit because you mentioned a couple words not redar eth we were going around the table

Brian Atlasgetting every everybody's reaction to that video uh so the one where she said if you make 50,000 we react that right after gri

Andrew Wilsonone's chat here thank you men value women for the Chastity providing them with children and peace from the world if you are argumentative high

Andrew Wilsonmaintenance or Simply Self absorbs no good man will have you be better I really like this super chatter

Brian Atlasby the way thank you good one appreciate it uh so okay we're we're going around the table getting everybody's reaction to the original video that we saw go ahead well I think we start with and we

Brian Atlasdo I want to come back to you a little bit but we'll get everybody's reaction was I gone during this video oh did you not watch was she gone I think so think so okay I thought you were here when

Andrew Wilsonhe's referencing the video where the woman was saying $50,000 a month oh loose energy donated $200 these 304 are high maintenance as

Andrew Wilsonthey don't bring shite to the table but expects guys to pay for their life you are not that special get the out of here # get the Rocks # freck

Brian Atlasnumber8 at 18 # freck get the Rocks Abdul yeah get the Rocks get the Rocks I I feel like this might have been directed at you do you want to respond to I just think it's so funny um you

Brian Atlasshould get your money up and then talk to me okay LP you got you heard it from her you got to get your money up me you realize you just made his point though I really don't care because my life goes

Mesaon like I'm good with or without the comment yeah I know I'm just saying you realize that you made this point he can win on the Internet it's cool so you saying he's taking a w take your

Brian Atlasinternet win like this is real life buddy okay um so the video that we were reacting to essentially she just says if

Sophiayou make $50,000 as a man you should not date agree disagree why disagree that seems very specific I I guess I don't know the context but I would say

Mesadisagree anyone should be able there's not I mean there broader I think the broader point is trying to be made is you're saying there's a standard and if you're under this threshold standard for the amount of money which can provide a

Mesagood material existence for another person that you probably shouldn't be trying to other people because you can't provide for them that's what the statement actually is about okay um so I

Sophiabelieve there would be multiple facets in which you could look at so if it's I mean you should look at age what their intentions are in dating if they're just looking for a partner for fun or if

Sophiathey're looking for a future spouse then then it would be a little more complicated if they're wanting children so there would be multiple things you should look at and it's a broader

Sophiaquestion I mean if if I'm just going to answer it broadly yes you you should date but it it would be personalized when you're looking at the other factors yeah I get it I get that you're saying each

Mesaindividual Situation's different that's always true but what she's saying she's talking in generalities yeah she saying talk she's saying so from a material view right if you're not able to take care of another person you're not able

Mesato meet whatever the perception of standard is for taking care of another person should you even be dating that's what the that's what the argument basically is gotcha um and we're speaking just

Mesamaterialistically she is okay yeah she is so she's saying $50,000 where she's at it's not a lot a bottle of water is $3 then you have all these extra expenditures so if you're under this

Sophiathreshold you probably shouldn't be dating that's what she's saying yeah okay so we're speaking generally I'm just going to say yeah you're you should be able to date what about you yeah I

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)think it's baloney what she said um and I think she would consider me a bottom of the barrel b as she put it um she did say bottom of the barrel yeah she because uh I only date Blue Collar

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)gentleman and some of them make less than $50,000 and they are good men and I think she's full of it so all right and she's gone what about you I personally

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)think it's an unfair statement um I would actually kind of compare it to what if someone were to make a video like a man were to make a video saying if you're um over 150 lb women don't

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)date lose some weight and then you can date I feel like that's not really fair um I mean people can have their own I guess preferences but I don't think

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)people should be shamed or barred from um joining the dating Market just because they don't make a certain income any uh other thoughts on this

MesaAndrew on the video well the the problem is is again these these they're always focusing on this kind of Hy materialist worldview and it's insane to me and so

Mesayou know this woman's entire prism is based around well if you can't do this for me then go yourself basically right that's what she's saying right and the silliness to it is like it's

Mesaself-centered and it's selfish and ultimately the this kind of sense of of uh only me only me only me has led to this kind of decadence that we're dealing with right now with just an

Mesaoverage of materialism nobody looks at any type of spiritualism they look at nothing behind it's just pure material and so yeah that's what she's speaking to okay cool we got a couple chats here

Brian AtlasI need to get through we have Dave Runner chick in blue you bring nothing to the table but sex you are an overpriced

Hollyword f do you want do you want to respond to Dave Runner I love the comment think what you want they going hard said that everyone

Mesadeserves love and companionship I never disagree what does that mean everybody deserves like no one should be barred from dating if no matter what you that's

Brian Atlasdifferent than deserve what about serial killers wait what you know like if you were Quil correct even you know what's interesting about serial killers is it

Mesathere's this uh term called hibristofilia did you ever start a conversation with you know what's interesting about IAL Killers yeah should that yeah but there's this

Brian Atlasthere's this thing called hrista traction to I believe like people who are criminals or criminality and this is much more pronounced in women than it is

Brian Atlasin men women are like not again not all women but women are much more likely to be attracted to men who display criminality than the reverse which I

Brian Atlasthink is interesting what's it called herophilus hopia I believe let me Google it I believe it's like a sexual attraction it's like why all the serers

Brian Atlashave they get married in prison and women write them letters and yeah being sexually aroused by a criminal offender is and it seems to me

Andrew Wilsonthat women are writing a lot of love notes to serial killers and murderers and they do do that interes that's interesting oh we got visual done

Andrew Wilson$200 Brian since you style yourself as a World War II buff name at least two Admirals and two ships involved in the Battle of Midway in the Battle of Midway

Brian Atlaswhat is your favorite World War II book Andrew name three judges in the Bible Well Andrew just got uh but okay so two

Brian Atlasadmirable ad admirables and two ships okay holy I know I have oh thank you grid one grid One Motorsports donated

Andrew Wilsonso mad at meone needs to get the money up it is the 304 in blue can get better for less money trouble and time re-evaluate or the only person that will

Hollyget the money up is the divorce lawyers why did I piss all you men off like what's up I you invoked their I invoked your anger and I'm glad you invoked their wrath cuz like I got my bank

Hollyaccount is good too anything else is extra I'm not even saying I want y'all like I'm good oh so okay T answerer thank you grid One

Brian AtlasMotorsports visual Dawn I have to name two Admirals well okay I honestly I Admiral Nimitz was Nimitz an admir ad admirable

Brian AtlasI'm just going to keep saying it's an admirable uh Admiral Nimitz was that or is it General nimts I think I I'm sorry guys I'm obviously I obviously know nothing about World War II um admirable

Brian Atlasadmirables um and then two ships bro how how are you going to ask me to name two ships

Brian Atlasguys you think I I my primary focus with my historical research has been the uh the European campaign okay the European

Brian AtlasTheater of War I really didn't study the Pacific all that much I was more of a you know the European theater you know I was more interested in that I know a little bit about uh you know the the the

Brian AtlasNorth African theater of war you know so if you want to quiz me on the North African Theater of War I can you know you know

Brian AtlasSuez okay and then what else did you say favorite World War II book there's a World War what do you mean like a are we talking when you say favorite here I'll pull it up again just

Brian Atlasso actually it's fine but when you're talking favorite World War II book do you mean fiction or non-fiction because I got some books back there ready to go yeah he does

Brian Atlasokay anyways thank you uh by the way with the chats and TTS typically you can just we can only do like one question per so and Andrew's up right now so uh okay we have candid

Brian Atlasanswers Andrew's arguments are circular oh wait I'll wait okay I'll wait till he's back because if Andrew actually wants to address this while we're waiting on that hold on guys one sec here oh Nick could you pull go twitch

Brian Atlastwitch.tv/ whatever drop us a follow and a prime sub if you have one twitch.tv tv/ whatever drop us a follow and the prime sub if you have one thank you guys for those what's what's up Nick CPS

Brian AtlasClips guys go to our Clips Channel mods spam this in the chat whatever second guys we're trying to get a uh 1 million subscribers over on my Clips Channel whatever second we're 75,000 Subs away

Brian Atlasguys we're so close get us get us to 1 mil on our Clips Channel thank you guys all right let me get some of these chats out of the way so not out of the way just read them excuse me tax is corrupt hey thank you

Brian Atlasman appreciate it I believe relationships should be built on mutual respect and genuine connection not Financial benchmarks I make 185k a year oh good for you man and I would not deal

Hollywith a financial black hole like you pass do you want to respond to Max is corrupt firstly Max 185k a year is not that much money secondly I'm not going

Hollyup to somebody and being like you must make this much money I'm just being like wait what accent was that it's my real accent cuz he's pissing me off what's your real accent it's a bamian accent

Hollyit's you know yes like wait can you say it one more time just like that what what I say the the the way you said it I don't know it come it come out if I get angry I don't know but I'm just saying like I am not going up to people and

Hollyasking to see your bank statement like I'm I just know that I'm not going to be with somebody who's a bum that's all 185k is a bum no I never said he's a bum

Brian AtlasI said 185k you're not that much money to be flexing on the internet oh I see would you date a guy who makes 185k or is that not enough I mean he he's like

Hollyin his 20s to like early 30s maybe wait how old is the guy you're currently dating this is a lot of too much question whoa whoa whoa whoa how

Brian Atlashow come on oh he's not old at all oh how old well how old is he like early like early 30s can you do that again early 30 early

Brian Atlas30s oh early 30s and you're 22 right yeah so is like what the 10e age Gap about somewhere around there

Brian Atlasokay so wait you but did you say 185k is like is that not a lot if you're 32 for example like if your guy currently was making 180k you wouldn't date him I no I wouldn't say I wouldn't date him

Hollybut I wouldn't think that's a lot of money 100 I think that does that put you in like top one% of earners if pretty close you know how expensive La is that

Brian Atlascould be gone so fast I mean what's the rent in La like what 3,000 for a decent one bedom one bedroom you get a decent one bedroom for 3K

Isabellaright yeah decent one bedroom maybe not like super luxury but it'll be decent stuff adds up fast man oh there are actually a lot of people living in La who make 100K a year and they're living paycheck pay I mean Santa Barbara is

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)actually worse than la oh I I would like to point out that because it is California so it is crazy but if your man didn't pay so much for you with fancy things and and dates and

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)whatever you guys would have a lot more money you could invest it you could you know cuz if you put that money instead of buying a fancy birthday or a fancy dinner put that money into like an investment account you could make a lot

Hollymore in the end doin but you don't think if hypothetically whoever said man is you don't think we already have investment accounts like no one's going to go do this if we don't already have the money to save like yeah I mean I suppose but you I I'm just

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)if you calculate how much money he spends on pretty frivolous things you could ultimately if you put that like you would have exponentially more money you could buy a house life life is meant to be enjoyed as well it's a balance all

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)right well I just want to say I know you mentioned a lot of people in LA are making 100K a year and just barely getting by paycheck to paycheck but if you look at what Americans are actually spending their money on um a lot of people are living paycheck to paycheck

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)because they're spending so much on things they don't need but they don't even realize it and then blame uh oh you know the cost of living is too much and everything but if you go and look at your individual bank statements you'd see how much people are spending on

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)eating out and buying clothes and activities they don't necessarily need when they could be cutting back and saving all that money investing it and that's why so many Americans right now are poor and living in you know crazy

Brian Atlasamounts of credit card debt because of frivolous spending so it's beautiful it's beautiful it's great thank you all right we got more chats here okay that

Brian Atlaslisten sometimes you know we got trolls in the chat you know they're gonna be vulgar but I'm man of my word if we say we're going to pull up your chat we're

Brian Atlasgoing to pull up your chat David Kinser says the chicken all caps by the way the chicken blue is an overpriced his words not mine don't

Brian Atlasshoot the messenger here prostitute fap fap fap why y are so angry I literally didn't say anything like the B that bad you have awoken their IR

Brian Atlasand their wrath and their a be quiet though can all right what what let me just get this chat we have Andrew's arguments are circular but he seems to

Brian Atlasstop at the place where it favors his personal word worldview so childish and toxic just trying to stroke your ego you have a lot of growing up to do so all arguments are circular if you weren't so

Mesastupid you know that oh okay all right there you go candid answer but now that's a candid answer for you candid answer candid answer all right there you

Brian Atlasgo all right shots fired okay um oh we have visual Dawn okay Brian which British Special Forces was unit was founded by David Sterling during the

Brian Atlasnorth bro this is wait come on bro Andrew name three judge from the Bible uh so okay I'll go first here British Special Forces I don't know I question uh name three judges from the Bible no

Brian Atlaswhat was your question Special Forces unit founded by David Sterling during the North African campaign I have no idea either just depends on specificity what

Brian Atlasare the British are those what what's the name for the military for the I think in World War II they're referred to as Commandos for the British army

MesaMH I don't know well they had the getting schooled the and then I think they had Commando units

Brian Atlasbut okay uh not sure he was asking about three judges from the Bible yeah um Samson

Brian AtlasGideon I don't I don't know maybe Elon Elon maybe okay yeah all right we have Infinity Singularity infinite Singularity excuse me thank you good to see you back in the chat to the critic

Brian Atlasyour argument against Andrews facius relying on ad hominin attacks rather than logical reputation accusing him of circul circul it while engaging in

Brian Atlasnonsecretors reveals a lack of substit substantive critique yeah could could have at least made an argument so that we could have both been circular about it

Brian Atlasright candid answers you you could have you could have didn't happen I'm not even mad at candid answers he's trying to engage yeah all right I'm trying to remember where we left off I think you

Brian Atlasmight have gotten up when we were going around the table on the $50,000 thing do you have have anything you want to weigh in on this um I don't think that's a good reason

Roselike Arbiter for whether you should be with someone I think it's more about your connection with somebody and than money but obviously if somebody's not making any money and they're not moving towards that then you are going to need

Brian Atlasmoney to support a family to support yourself so sure okay so going back around the table wait wait wait before you get up let me just ask go around the table on this um we got security yeah we

Brian Atlasgot so you mentioned earlier that you want prin princess treatment correct or to be provided for to the some extent okay oh hold on donated

Andrew Wilson$200 hi I'm envy and fairly new here thank you by all means you may sneeze as my presence bless you all so Brian might you in detail explain ho flation I've

Brian Atlasheard you've a wealth of supporting info about it feel like this is uh yo thank you for the uh TTS appreciate it h flation h flation basically I mean the the way I've had it

Brian Atlasexplained to me and kind of my understanding about it is the example I like to give is basically oh my God it's some I haven't used this term in such a in a minute so

Brian Atlasthe grandfather God I'm so I'm sorry guys I'm getting a new job I'm terrible host um I get it I see your comments okay oh thank you cers donated $200 there is a difference between

Mesacircular and tautological finish the book next time instead of stopping when you think it proved your point what does what does the tautology have to do with anything I just said theology there was nothing I just said that was to theological and

Mesaultimately basically all arguments are circular you're still to be perfectly candid give you a candid answer you're still a idiot but wait wait hang on you're a

Brian Atlasidiot and you're stupid there's your ology wow okay shots fired okay is that tological enough for you all right um wait so okay H flation all right Bas

Brian Atlasoh my God I can't it's not even coming to me guys but basically that it's something like men have to work oh okay it's men have to work 10 times as hard

Brian Atlasas their grandfathers did for women who are 20 times as worse as their grandmothers that's H flation that's HL

Andrew WilsonMike davis2 Wilson got the energy of an overnight drivethru worker girls Financial advice is BS the trick isn't

Andrew Wilsonto spend less but make more forget These Hoes Be Like Mike Davis who married the money God bro why is the the TTS to the panel the TTS has been very you a little

Brian Atlasa little rough tonight they've been a little vulgar a little mean Mike DAV he's usually very polite with the women he works at a Burger

Brian AtlasKing so he I okay thank you he sorry he he owns multiple Burger Kings I don't know do we still have that photo of him anywhere it's been a while since we've

Brian Atlaspulled it up Nick if you can find that uh I need so visual Dawn does or wait no who asked the question about the H flation uh yeah it was uh oh it was nvme

Brian Atlasthank you yes basically um hope flation here okay here's another way to look at it

Brian Atlasbasically women are always going to be attracted to traditional treatment from men and there's tons of these clips of like liberal women who are outwardly liberal they got color in their hair they describe themselves as Progressive

Brian Atlasor liberal or Democrat but they they make these Tik toks and they're like well I'm a liberal and I'm a feminist but like I I want the conservative guy who doesn't have conservative values

Brian Atlasbecause I like the kind of treatment they provide to me their providers their protectors Etc they're going to fall into their more traditional role when it comes to dating but you have these women

Brian Atlaswho despite Desiring traditional treatment from men want to be modern traditional women they want to take revealing and provocative photos and blast them on the Internet whether it's

Brian AtlasInstagram or whether it's doing sex work whether it's only fans they want to go out to nightclubs and dress up all SK skimpy they want to have a bunch of casual sex in their 20s and then in their 30s they want to finally settle

Brian Atlasdown after they've had their fun and have racked up massive body counts and then find a nice guy to settle down with um and that is Hope

Brian Atlasflation okay nobody all right it's going to be pulling teeth tonight okay um wait what were oh pull up Mike Davis did you get it did you know were you able to find the photo oh guys this is Mike

Brian AtlasDavis look at it he's he works at Burger King he owns like aund 150 Burger Kings in the uh greater tri-state area of New York that area so yeah he's uh you know you know he's doing well all right thank

Brian Atlasyou Mike Davis good to see in the chat we have Rick bungle here brixon do you have any dating advice for gay men would love to hear I don't know what's going on tonight G from don't be gay God Jesus

Brian Atlasyou're gonna get me canceled oh well that I mean that would be my advice okay um from the women on the panel as well dating is EXT extremely hard for gay men is it or are you just this is

Brian Atlasprobably some troll thing I hear gay men have it pry maybe it's pretty easy when it comes to getting sex with like grind her that I hear it's hard to get a committed it's hard to get a committed relationship that's what I

Brian Atlasheard I thought it was E I thought dating for game and they had it pretty easy I didn't I know I don't know about dating I would have asked my brother but well uh what do you any dating advice

Brian Atlasfor for gay men he's asking me specifically as if I would have some sort

Brian Atlasof insight on this uh I would say uh you know Rick you ought to uh wear a bunch of flannels that'll do

Brian Atlasit for you okay thank you Rick that will get you all the men uh they like the the uh what's it called the Lumberjack Lumber thank

Brian Atlasyou here let me pull this up visual Dawn last chance Brian who are the two opposing Generals in the World War II North African campaign ladies on the panel name three countries besides the

DezUnited States Canada Mexico I'll answer after they go ahead oh Luxembourg Oman

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)Italy Russia Germany and China Greece turkey Morocco uh Ghana

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)Kenya and Morocco sorry what was the question I'm sorry how many three countries just

Rosethree countries at all other than us Canada Mexico yeah okay um Italy France Spain uh Algeria Libya

MesaTunisia okay that was good okay so uh raml right raml was yeah that was the

Brian Atlasdesert fox yeah desert fox I don't know who the British or I mean I initially I believe it was primarily uh the British forces in North

Andrew WilsonAfrica I think oh my God je later on I'm pretty sure the United States came donated $200 you can tell I got to Andrew because he isn't even trying to sound

Andrew Wilsonsmart the more you slam me the more childish you sound your PO wife you fake being a Christian to feel Superior well I mean anything else you just

Mesaliterally sent in what $600 because you're mad at me I have this effect the TTS is they want smoke from everybody on the

Brian Atlasthey I'm getting attacked for my apparent lack of World War II historical information they're attacking Andrew they're attacking everybody on the panels so okay it's they want blood for the blood they want yeah dude the TTS

Brian Atlaswants blood tonight holy yeah I feel a little left out I was I no you have you have summoned I'm warning you you've just summoned the

Brian Atlastrolls I've trained for this I'm good you're ready for the onslaught that's about yes my my boyfriend and I have been practicing at home oh okay he's

Brian Atlashe's just been degrading you well I mean that's a little extreme but hearing me actually that's what we should tell the girls like with in our pre-show information we send out by the way if

Brian Atlasyou have like a boyfriend or something or like you you're on a Discord just have them degrade you for 5 hours that's to prepare for the whatever podcast that's great well we should start

Brian Atlastelling the women uh uh okay so I'm waiting until she comes back from the bathroom I think she's um probably doing um peyote no

Brian Atlasjust kidding um something in there uh I was GNA I was asking about Princess treatment but some TTS has come through but do you want princess treatment going around the table what does that entail

Brian Atlaswell that's what I was going to ask her what what that is but what's your sense of Princess treatment like isn't that subjective I don't know what that means well what's your sense of receiving

Isabellaprincess treatment like but like what is that I don't understand the question like to be treated like a princess just like like provided

Brian Atlasfor I don't know I don't do that with girls so I don't know you shouldn't ask me I mean we we'll have to ask your friend once she's back she's lingering in the

Brian Atlasbathroom but yeah yeah yeah we're looking for

Brian Atlasyou my God bro's pulling teeth tonight okay um hello somebody said mentioned something about crazy things oh that was for you too um okay you mentioned princess

Hollytreatment um what does that that mean princess treatment I think it's just a term for being treated well by your partner scoot your mic to the edge of the table then

Hollyyou scoot your mic to the very edge please go ahead I think it's just a term for being treated well by your partner you know being treated like a queen and being honored and attended to by him you should

Hollybe should all women be treated like Queens if you're not doing the things that you should do um no but if you're a loyal

Hollysubmissive woman um and you make your partner happy yes you should do do you think all women are Queens I think every woman in their Birthright are Queens but some women

Brian Atlasdon't act like it and in turn they're not treated like it it's always but there's you know you mentioned princess you mentioned Queen these are all things related to like royalty and it occurs to

Brian Atlasme that like most people who it's the the whole Queen princess thing is like sort of the mirror opposite of like guys who call themselves like

Brian AtlasAlpha that's like my view of it and it's like come on you know Queen princess let's be honest all these girls who claim to be queens and princesses at

Brian Atlasbest there maybe the Court Jester I don't think like you know all it means is just fine you're from like a lower house I've recently watched Dune you know like in Dune you have the

Brian Atlasgreater houses the land land rat do you know the lands rat so you have the great houses and the Lesser houses even then most of these girls are probably just who claim to be queens or princesses are

Brian Atlasprobably just peons in the grand scheme of you know the are we doing dun houses now you know the spice trade like oracus you know yeah like what do you guys think about like dating on oracus like

Brian Atlasit's kind of like you have the I'm sorry guys what does that mean oracus oracus my Dune yeah have you guys you know

Brian AtlasFrank Herbert no sorry I haven't seen bestselling science fiction book there's a lot of blue-eyed people on Dune Good Times okay um I shouldn't

Andrew Wilsonreally be I shouldn't be upset that people don't get my like kind of candid daners donated $200 honestly all good long time a listener and I make solid seven figures

Andrew Wilsona year lately the conversation has been turning malicious oh the male guests are condescending and it doesn't help engage positively that's been Andrew wait what I'm kiding I'm

Brian Atlaskid all right fair enough candid answers oh he's he's he's a nice guy all right thank you candid answers we try to make it more positive I'm going to make it more positive okay let's make it more positive tonight guys it's not it's not

Brian Atlasmy fault it's the TTS that's been a little uh little you guys have been a little Goblins the TTS tonight e uh goblins okay where where were we we're

Hollytalking about the princess treatment yeah like court gers at best you know well I think every woman should just find a guy that makes her feel like royalty you know that's your job as a woman Tock select the right

Mesaguy so you going yeah treat them men like kings then yes and Obey them yes even if you don't want to do what they're saying most of the time oh well then yeah that's not treating them like

Hollya king but but I've never encountered a man that makes me do something I'm uncomfortable with doing never no well I wouldn't I've never here's an

Brian Atlasexample someone yeah I don't want you do you go out to bars and clubs with your girlfriends not really anymore no when's the last time you went to a

Brian Atlasbar or club uh I was in the Super Bowl last weekend I went to Vegas with your boyfriend no with my cousin and her people uh I mean Super Bowl's not a great example but like let's say your

Brian Atlasboyfriend you were wanting to go out to a bar not Club your boyfriend was like no I don't want you going out to bars and clubs I would respect that all right there you go show's over guys thanks for

Brian Atlastuning in to the whatever podcast all right she agrees okay um here let's go okay so princess treatment um did you define it what if it was like you got

Mesamoney that was willed to you and he said yeah give it to me so I can invest it in something that you don't want me to invest Ed into no yeah

Hollyso according to every man I'm broke my money is my money and his money is our money oh that oh you missed that Nick okay um can you say it again my money is

Hollymy money and his money is our money you know that's a meme right like that's literally a you're not saying that ironically are you oh I've heard people say it but I just believe that's true you know you shouldn't be in a woman's

Isabellapocket I've heard men say that unironically before too like they Co they they they said that exact thing like her money is her money but my money is our money most men say that in like a

Isabelladismissive sort of he was being 100% serious like I've heard three men say that recently being men say that yeah no weirdly enough yeah like that exact

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)quote like in the past like six months I want to add also I've also heard that been said by men um but I also want to give context that I am from a different

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)culture so it is kind of AC a little bit yeah no can you tilt your yeah yeah um so in terms of the context I've heard it and it's a little bit different

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)since in my country that's kind of just the societal expectation wait what's your country uh I'm from Algeria Al well

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)you've you were born there no no uh I'm born in Canada but I was raised by my both my parents who are Algerian and they grew up there so they rais me with

Brian AtlasAlgerian and I've also spent a lot of time in Algeria okay got it okay so the princess treatment you you also said something like five you want $5,000 to

Holly$110,000 a month not I never said I want that I said there's the activities and stuff that me and said partner do probably would probably go be around

Andrew Wilsonthere you know I wonder if grid One Motorsports donated $200 women hold the keys to sex men hold the keys to relationship you are not

Brian Atlaschoosing a man he is approving or disqualifying you this is why feminism has failed you repent the patriarchy welcomes you thank you grid one the

Brian Atlasrepent the patriarchy welcomes all of you okay thank you appreciate it um let's see here am I going to get I feel like people are so dumb they're going to maybe I maybe I should be more like

Brian Atlasoptically aware I feel like people are so dumb they're going to assume that he's wearing like a World War II military uniform and then like but he's not your thoughts

Brian AtlasAndrew I'm I mean he pretty pretty awesome honestly looks uniform yeah I like the uniform it's a Chilean military uniform but I feel like people

Brian Atlasare so dumb oh why do they have uh you know a a German World War War I uniform you know cuz people think the

Mesahe's got the field field gray it's the field gray all right all right whatever I mean you're in it now right yeah it's done there's nothing you can do about it

Brian Atlasnow he has to stay there the rest of the show y uh by the way Rick Rick the uh so Reed is over 100 TTS is over 200 um thank you though oh Nick were you able to pull that

Brian Atlasup I accidentally hid Rick's you'll have to find it in the live you'll have to find it in the live okay princess treatment uh

Hollyso the 5,000 to 10,000 that's the activities that would come with it you know like pull up like I said like if you and your partner go on vacations frequently or if you guys

Hollygo out to eat or you know like if you guys are getting like spa days you know just life activities would you date a guy who wasn't able to provide you with those things

Hollyno okay cuz I think it's difficult like I think once you've been exposed to a certain standard it's kind of difficult to go back that's true now if I wouldn't say

Hollyno cuz not sometimes you meet somebody and you're just infatuated with them or you see a lot of potential in them but they have to be extra amazing though they have to be extra extra amazing I mean that's it's actually you make a very good point with that is and this is

Brian Atlasa differential that I've made a point that I've made before so one of the difference between men and women is men are able and you guys are feel free to weigh in on this after I

Brian Atlasmake my point so if a man tries to hit on a girl hook up with a girl outside of his League instant rejection like you're not

Brian Atlasgetting you're not getting a five SEC or a five minute conversation you're not getting a date you're not getting you're certainly not getting casual sex you're not getting anything more men if we try

Brian Atlasto let's say we want to try to sleep with girl outside of our league instant rejection that's not the case for women women can very easily sleep with men outside of their league and that can be on looks it can be on socioeconomic

Brian Atlasstatus it can be uh General status for example a woman who's got 500 followers on Instagram she's a nobody can go and hook up with a

Brian Atlasprofessional NBA player NFL player whatever so long as she's ATT track even averagely attractive she well it helps if she's good-looking right so what ends

Brian Atlasup happening is you'll have like a 19-year-old girl in college who if she's so inclined can go a guy who's a millionaire who can provide her with a certain lifestyle or she can a

Brian Atlasfamous dude she can a guy who's High status she might she may very well not ever be able to get uh commitment from that guy so you mentioned well there's no going back so how does a

Brian Atlas19-year-old girl go from dating an NBA player who's flying her out and he's you know whatever the case is he's got a really nice place he lives alone heated

Brian Atlasbathroom floors no roommates to oh the 20-year-old guy at my college who lives in a dorm who's got a roommate not a housemate a roommate how's she going to

Brian Atlasgo back who's got you know how's she going to go back to that you really can't honestly you can't so what do you do when you're 35 you should be married by then yeah but I mean if

Dezyou're not I mean but why can't you go back be well you can I mean that's the question like why can't like why is it

Brian Atlasan issue if you go back well you can but my theory on this is is that once you've dated a certain caliber of man you're that's kind of going to be your

Brian Atlasbenchmark whether conscious or subconscious and then the guy who you end up perhaps being with the guy who you can actually get commitment from you're going to almost hold that guy in

Brian Atlascontempt because you almost feel like you're settling when in reality despite your ability to procure casual sexual relationships with men who are really attractive or who have a lot of money or

Brian Atlaswho have high status of course these men would never commit to you the guy who's actually on your level you're going to think that because you were able to secure those men

Brian Atlasfor albeit casual sex you think that that's your that's your your level that's your league but that's not your league your league as a woman is the man that you can get commitment from the man

Brian Atlasthat you can get marriage from not the guy who you can because you can a really high status dude you can a rich guy you can a really hot dude does not mean you'll be able to

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)get commitment from a guy who's on that level it's very true mhm I can attest to that um I unfortunately have a very high

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)body count and a lot of that happened in my 20s because I slept with a lot of gorgeous men admittedly um but they

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)didn't want to wife me or girlfriend me because let's be honest I was a fat

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)sorry like so I have I think that now at 35 and unmarried I I did not see that

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)coming I'm so sorry you're disappointed I was I was blindsided yeah I well and I think that's partly because you know I had to get real with myself and be honest about where do I

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)fit within this Market because my market is based off of what do the men that I want want and do I meet that yes or no if yes great if no I need to change my

Dezexpectations well aren't men who are usually like making like more or in a higher status or something like like say like a basketball player or something like they're used to partying and like

Dezgoing out and stuff so like they're not really looking for commitment and if they are it usually comes with with um I don't know the word but like can you

Dezscoot your mic this way a little bit like Infidel infidelity infidelity yeah and like which then like the woman usually has to make a choice to be okay with that or not are you saying that I

Brian Atlasdon't know where I was going with it there was a point to it well are you saying that some women would prefer the divided attention of a hyper attractive hyper successful Guy versus the 100%

Dezattention of like a normal average guy no I was just saying that like that um men who like make more money and stuff

Dezlike oh where am I going with that have options and they their they're not usually like in my opinion they aren't looking for that commitment or that

Dezseriousness like right away you know um they're they're more inclined to go around just like us women can be more inclined to go around is that is that the case for you more inclined to around no I'm not more inclined to

Brian Atlaswell that's what you said you said women just like us women who can be more inclined to in general terms do you think women are some women are well of course some women do you think women are

Dezinclined to around um I think both men and women are inclined to around I think that it comes from both gender Sexes and the high high value or high earning men they they have like

Hollyuntameable Lifestyles like you're going to have to get used to like them like you can't tell them what to do like they're going to be out tell when they want to be out their friends are probably

(background)cheaters um the Instagram following goes crazy the Instagram following go crazy like like the the girls that they follow you'll have a heart attack don't even go look through it um never look through

(background)their phone why would you want that though like you have to like just like mentally like shut off that part if you want to for most men who are Mak a certain amount of money yeah you got to shut that off well I think it's an I don't care how much money you make I

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