Andrew Wilson! DUMPED Because She Did OF?! Men Making $50,000 Should NOT Date?! | Dating Talk #136

Date: 2024-02-19

Duration: 6h 59m

Guests

Brian Atlas

IIsabella (DT136)>

HHolly (DT136)>

SSophia (DT136)>

LLizzy (DT136)>

AAndrew Wilson >

UUnnamed (Algerian-Canadian, DT136)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_02Sophia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Isabella(guest)

SPEAKER_04Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Mesa(guest)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_07Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_08Rose(guest)

SPEAKER_09Dez(guest)

SPEAKER_12Holly(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteBrian declares war on talking in saunas

“if I was married to a woman for 10 years and we get into the SAA and she starts talking to me in the public SAA divorce”

QuoteLizzy discloses body count of 100+

“I unfortunately have a very high body count and a lot of that happened in my 20s because I slept with a lot of gorgeous men admittedly um but they didn't want to wife me or girlfriend me”

QuoteLizzy at 35, unmarried and surprised

“I think that now at 35 and unmarried I I did not see that coming”

QuoteLizzy confirms body count 'over 100'

“in the notes over 100 yeah so you know I I I have yeah I'll just say over 100”

QuoteHolly: 'my money is my money and his money is our money'

“my money is my money and his money is our money”

QuoteHolly says she has no exes (disassociates from past relationships)

“I don't have exes um and I would say unavailable”

QuoteSophia describes polyamorous relationship

“it was with two hetero guys um and one girl... we were all still friends we care about each other a lot”

QuoteAndrew Wilson states women have very low functional intelligence

“I think they have very low functional intelligence generally it's just me though”

QuoteDez's current sugar daddy tipped $1200

“the other night was like 1 12200 which was cool”

QuoteDez describes feeder sugar daddy arrangement

“he would give me money but have me send him videos of me like eating and like looking like overweight and stuff cuz he got off on that”

QuoteDez says 'all gas no brakes' about gasoline incident

“everybody else needs gas everybody else needs gas all gas no breaks”

QuoteDez describes throwing gasoline on ex-boyfriend's car

“I saw another girl in the back of his car and I got mad and I this gas tank was in my way and it spilled on me and I got pissed and I just started throwing the gas all over his car and the people in it”

Topics Discussed

Introductions

Guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Then go around on relationship status.

Sauna Etiquette Tangent

Brian goes on an extended rant about talking in public saunas being rude. Isabella mentions she met her boyfriend in a gym sauna. Chat votes: talking in sauna is rude.

Sean Evans / Melissa Stratton Breakup Reaction

Panel reacts to Hot Ones host Sean Evans breaking up with porn star Melissa Stratton on Valentine's Day. Discussion of whether he was wrong, Adam 22's Twitter trolling, and whether men should date sex workers.

Men Making $50,000 Should Not Date (Video Reaction)

Panel reacts to viral video of a woman saying men making $50k/year should not date. Discussion of income thresholds for dating, cost of living in California, what women contribute, 50/50 in relationships. Lizzy defends blue-collar men.

Princess/Queen Treatment & Men Providing

Discussion of what 'princess treatment' means, Holly's expectation of $5-10k/month in lifestyle spending, women dating up vs. men committing, women's inability to 'go back' after dating high-value men.

Cheating, High-Value Men, and Open Relationships

Whether high-value men are allowed to cheat. SPEAKER_07 (Lizzy) shares experience of sleeping with attractive men who wouldn't commit. Discussion of men's vs. women's attachment during sex.

Lizzy's Past Choices and Body Count Disclosure

Lizzy (35) discloses body count of 100+, discusses poor choices in youth including cheating at 19 and 21, change of heart at 28, and current regret at being 35 and unmarried.

50/50 in Relationships

Panel discussion on whether relationships should be 50/50 financially. Isabella describes her 75/25 dynamic with new boyfriend. Most women prefer men to pay more.

5050 Finance Debate & Dating Cost Context

Extended discussion on 50/50 vs. traditional financial roles; California cost of living context.

Body Count Discussion

Extended debate on whether body count matters, men's right to care about it, double standards, and whether high body count women are promiscuous by choice. Body count round: Isabella declined, Dez 15-20, Holly declined, 'zero waiting for marriage' (unidentified).

Same-Sex Activity Discussion

Panel unanimously says they would not date a man who has been in a same-sex relationship. Andrew Wilson raises the double standard on women's same-sex activity.

Sophia's Divisive Show Critique

Sophia (SPEAKER_02) challenges Brian on the show being divisive and adversarial. Brian and Andrew Wilson defend the debate format. Discussion of open-mindedness and consistency.

Sophia's Polyamory Story

Sophia shares her brief polyamorous relationship (2 men, 1 other woman). Concluded monogamy works better for her.

Sophia's Plane to France Story

Sophia met a stranger on a plane to France; they talked the whole flight, kissed, and explored Paris together for a romantic day.

Age Gap Relationships

Discussion of what age gaps are appropriate. Holly (22) is dating a man ~14 years older (~36). Panel debates predatory vs. normal age gaps. Holly says she couldn't date someone her own age.

Makeup as Misrepresentation Debate

Brian's position that makeup is a lie; debate on whether it misrepresents women similarly to men lying about height. Isabella discusses how severe acne affected her views.

Dez: Sugar Daddy with Feeder/Weight Fetish

Dez describes a sugar daddy who paid her to gain weight and send eating videos; also paid for heel-choke sessions. She received ~$2k/month + bonuses for weight milestones.

Holly's Twitter Rants

Brian pulls up Holly's Twitter: 'all men are liars,' birthday promises not kept, Valentine's Day men not celebrating rant. Holly explains context for each.

Dez: OnlyFans, Stripping, and Dating Sex Workers

Extended discussion of Dez's OnlyFans content and stripping career. Whether men are insecure or principled for not dating sex workers. Dez's feeder sugar daddy story. Stripper tales (nipple-rubbing VIP).

Dez: Toxic Relationship and Gas-Throwing Incident

Dez describes throwing gasoline on her ex-boyfriend's car after seeing another girl in it. Nearly lit the car on fire. Attributes incident to being bipolar and intoxicated.

Transcript

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Isabellastrawberry cake it depends what your mindset is towards that type of person or race or like whatever maybe well forget all that just the strawberry cake

Mesaright if you're just using strawberry if that's the only flavor you like you you draw the line at when it becomes obsessive like I have met pe oh you can go ahead I just want to say the

Rosedifference between a preference and a fetish is fetish is when you sexualize something and a preference is just something you prefer yeah but can you sexualize something as a preference wait say that again can't you sexualize

Mesasomething as a preference can't you sexualize something as a preference I'm not like what if you're like what if you're having what if what if you only like certain sexual positions as a preference is that a

Rosefetish it might be like a king no cuz that's that's probably not because it's like that it's not like oh this is the maybe if it's like okay I'm doing doggy style and then that's what gets me excited and that's it then maybe that's a fetish yeah but I mean you might prefer that style because it's more

Mesacomfortable on your knees I don't know yeah that's why I'm trying to distinguish what we consider to be a fetish and what we consider to be a preference maybe we can come back to it let's continue with the panel do you object to men caring about body

Dezcount yes why cuz why should it matter like why why I don't I don't really know why I

Dezobject to it I just know that it it is odd and it is why is it odd because I'm not going to go up and

Dezbe all up in your business about like wanting to know about how many people you've slept with and if I am that's not going to be a deal breaker you know that's not going to change my mind about anything cuz you could have a high body

Brian Atlascount for um like other reasons and stuff like that but I mean are there some things

Andrew Wilsonthat augmented orst donated $200 a man or women seeking another with a low body count is not fetishization it is predatorial they are seeking control

Brian Atlaswhich is easier achieved with someone who lacks experience yeah IE what evidence I mean it's hard

Brian Atlasto engage in a conversation with the TTS but what evidence do you have for that statement my feelings just all feelings

Brian Atlasum but did you finish your point or I think I was actually asking you uh what I think I asked why is it odd yeah um why is it odd

Dezspeak your mind well I think I was answering that because it doesn't like a high body count being a deal

Dez[Music] breaker for someone it I don't I don't know where to grab the thought from you don't like it right I personally yeah and it

Dezhas to do with my feelings like yeah I personally feel I think it's odd I I don't understand it and I think that's

Mesawhy I don't have a lot to speak on it now let's let's say for a second uhhuh that there are men out there cuz there's

Mesatons mhm who don't approve of the lgbtq just based on their feelings is that okay with

Dezyou no oh it's not oh you know it's almost like your objection here yeah doesn't make a lot of sense no and I'm

Dezhearing it not make sense as it's coming out of my here moving on go ahead um the question is why does if I think do you object to men caring about a woman's body count uh yes I think it's

Brian Atlasjust weird and like how would you even know the person is telling the truth anyways okay but let's say you knew what her body count was because perhaps you

Brian Atlaswere within her Social Circle and you knew that she had been with multiple men okay if you're finding it out let's assume you know the truth right why is it weird that's the word you use right

Hollywhy is it weird okay I think it's more weird like a guy like basically Border in line harassing you for your body count like that's

Brian Atlasweird but if you if I agree to that if a guy was harassing you for the answer but that's not really what we're let's say a guy has a good faith reason for not

Hollywanting to date a woman with a high body count he's not harassing you understandable like if I think of it's a you just said it was weird okay I was thinking more from the aspect of like the lens of like someone being like what's your body count like d and every

Hollyand some men like I see some stuff on the internet like oh for lady stuff with over 10 men she is no longer wifeable like let's be real here like that's probably the about average what it's about what it's probably like about

Hollyaverage like especially in today's society like if it's like a crazy number then I can understand you um having discernment I mean me personally I wouldn't want a guy that's been all

Brian Atlasaround the world and I'm embarrassed to go out with you wait hold on wait you're embarrassed you would be embarrassed to date a guy who's slept with a lot of

Brian Atlaswomen but when men don't want to date women who have slept with a lot of men it's weird no what I'm saying like a lot I'm saying like in the hundreds you know yeah what's considered a lot because it

Isabellacould be subjective so what do you consider a high body count I mean a very easy I mean I would say over 10 you're you're getting into a high body count what if you're it's not

Isabellaunrealistic you guys just don't unrealistic what's that what if you're older you're like 50 80 years old you think it should still well I think age plays a factor here but uh think over 10

Brian Atlasyou are like it's not insanely high but I would say you're over 10 yeah it's high body count now there's women for example who have 50 or 100 who that's also a high body count but I think once you get over

Brian Atlas10 that's you're in the kind of getting into high body count territory but it's weird why is it weird she said it was weird I don't know what

Hollyshe said why is it weird say what you want to say I just feel like it's none of your business like anyone's business to like know what anyone's body count is like and quite frankly like I wouldn't even want to know from another guy cuz then

Brian Atlaslike if it's a number I don't want to hear like I'm not going to like you anymore all right well maybe we'll come back to that we'll continue going around the table I want to get everybody's answers go ahead no you don't object to okay I

Rosedon't uh no I think it's it's fair to you know that for that to put you off um but I would also say that [Music]

Rosemaybe sweet too thank you for the gifted 20 memberships maybe I would say that maybe uh don't discount somebody because of that because that's not you know necessarily I mean you could really miss

Roseout on somebody good who has a past that you know maybe doesn't align with your virtues but also maybe they don't maybe they've grown from that and uh so yeah

Brian AtlasI'd probably still discount them but uh um I don't object oh okay so just to bring it back why is it

Brian Atlasweird it's invasive what's invasive the whole body count phenomenon how what do you mean to like here let me paint this let me give you a scenario

Brian Atlaslet me give you a scenario let's say the guy doesn't even ask he just knows because you've been friends with you know maybe he's been in your Social Circle and he's known you for three years and he's known you've gone out to

Brian Atlasparties and bars he's heard through the grape vine that you've slept with 20 men in the past three years um he doesn't ask you outright is it invasive then for the guy to not want to date you because

Brian Atlasyou've slept with 20 men in the past 3 years no but I do think it's heavily judgmental it's heavily judgmental so you object to judging people didn't you

Brian Atlassay earlier that you your your allowance well not allowance but not you need a guy to spend $5 to $110,000 on you a month I said that's the average amount

Hollyof probably what it would come to if you're putting like like fun things like the average relationship expense is into play but definitely not an allowance you would you date a guy who works at

MesaMcDonald's no so you're judging him judgment is that that's a judgment you could have been missing out on like the best burger flipper ever and you just pass him

Hollyby how judgey I just I I don't know I think body counts between like 10 to 30 in today's society is like normal

Mesahonestly let me ask a different question I'm just curious about I assume right this second you enter into this dating Market I don't know much about the dating Market I've been off it for a long time and

Mesathank God for that well let's say enter into it right now and you were a virgin would it be invasive if somebody asked your body count them yes I still wouldn't tell

Mesaanybody because I feel like guys take advantage of women who have low sexual experience how do they take advantage how how do they take advantage you think then that most women's answers when they

Hollyanswer that it's invasive or they don't like it or this type of thing is because they have themselves a high body count not necessarily I even consider myself to be in that category I just don't think it's any it's a man's business

Isabellalike why like what benefit do you gain knowing who I I've s with in the past like so we can disqualify you from dating yeah but I I agree with saying too because sometimes ignorance is bliss like let's say hypothetically

Brian Atlasyou meet give me the red pill that's the blue pill okay I want I want to know so I can make a determination of do I want to date this

Isabellaperson yes or no I don't want like I would want that information that way I can make a determination yeah but let's say in every single aspect of this one person let's say you've been meeting people and it's never worked out with

Isabellaanyone and you meet this one person they're absolutely perfect in every single aspect and then accept this one thing but they have a body count of 100 you find out later okay not but you said what you consider high is 10

Andrew WilsonI'm using the extreme like I'm using the extreme on both sides the extreme is this is the perfect woman donated $200 thank you since one in three women aged

Andrew Wilson16 to 30 has a STD now and condoms don't protect from genital herpes body count matters feminism turned your lady Parts

Brian Atlasinto a radioactive Wasteland I'm going to Radioactive by the way here let me drop the nuke actually Nick could you click the nuke red click nuke red yeah

Brian Atlasradioactive Wasteland there it is folks look at that holy that's that's what it's looking like all right Nick you can all yeah okay um so to use an extreme on both ends you're saying well

Brian Atlasthe perfect woman she's perfect in every way she's a 10 out of 10 she's blah whatever but here's the extreme on the other end she has slept with over 100 men

Isabellayeah that's a no but wouldn't you rather just just not know like you just you want to keep her eyes as this perfect no I want the truth TR truth Uber Alis let's just want the truth over let just

Mesakind of let's just kind of Grant it though you know what say your preference is that you didn't know because for you right not knowing is a thing that you would prefer yeah cuz I you say be any

Mesaproblem though I honestly would you say there'd be any problem though for a person who did want to know they did want to know the truth maybe ignorance is bliss for you is true but maybe for another person ignorance is bliss not so true but like why do

Isabellathey want to know so badly and with the thing with STDs you can ignorance so badly literally well I I just don't really care it's not that I want that so badly and if like my boyfriend came me is going to tell me his body count I'd

Mesalike run away and close my ear but your push back is but ignorance is bliss it's like okay that's fair enough it's true maybe if you're ignorant about something um and you didn't have any forn

Mesaknowledge to it you might go a certain way like okay maybe but if another person had the preference to not be ignorant on on the topic what what still would be the objection other than you just kind of think it's icky right

Mesathat's really it when you get down to the the value judgment in other words aren't you guys really just saying I think it's icky I think it's yucky there's not really anything else that I mean it's like someone's privacy like

Hollytheir personal life like to me sex is something that's very intimate and it's PR intimate if you have a high body count yeah but I think sorry I don't I think izy and I kind of see similar to this on on this particular topic because

Hollywe're not using this as an excuse to be go promiscuous you know and sleep with a bunch of guys I'm just saying I think it's rude for a man to ask a lady how many guys have you slept with I recently rude I recently actually spoke to a guy

Hollyabout this and he I think him and I like kind of agreed on the standpoint like we don't need to know each other's body counts but if you are in if we both are in an area and you see somebody that you slept with do me the favor and let me

Mesaknow so and we're in the same area and I'll do the same that's asking you your body count just in a in a different way no but it's no it's just like if you slept with a dude can you just point him

Hollyout that's not invasive but the but the alternative but the alternative ask you have any SLE with invasive like if I we're if we're like at a party or something just so they don't make a fool

Hollyout of themselves and the person is there you know but like to go out and ask for a number like that that's just wild and I'll never give it to you just point out the person right it's like what this is actually a great reason why

Brian Atlasmen ought to date women with low body counts so the likelihood of you being in a scenario where you're in the same room as another man who's your woman you're just almost making our

Mesaargument us yeah in fact that's your demand you're like hey I had a conversation with a guy and he was like look if you've been in a room with other dudes that you've been can you point him out that's literally asking you your body count no but stuff happens like

Hollysometimes you be like out at a party yeah happens just happen and be like Dam like that's you know how it is you're at a party sometimes and you're just hanging out and then in walk in people

Hollyyou slept with sexual intercourse with at the party it's if you have a small circle like it's it's it's sometimes you see

Hollypeople out it's true how many how many people in the small circle have you had sex inter godamn imagine like a college for example like a college campus like

Hollypeople in college be doing craziness like you B you bound to see somebody there like you should like you know like it's not like that look uh okay um I'm still not sure

Brian Atlaswhy it's weird I have a question for the ladies though um would you date a guy who had sex with men no

Isabellalike they're bisexual yeah sure he previously had sex with men would you date him um um I've never really thought about it

Isabellathink about it right now I mean as long as like I don't see what difference it would make if they're

Dezby okay are you by no I'm straight what about you um um I've been close I've like kissed a bisexual man would you

Brian Atlashave a long-term relationship with a guy who's had sex with men yeah I think I could do it you think she thinks she could do it I think I could do it what about you hard no but hold on what's

Hollythat's not any of your business that's his value judgment is that that is a value judgment yeah sorry no that no is my business because that same in

Hollyindividual's thing has been like a man's thing and it's really my business well wait a second yeah no there's a little cognitive dissonance going on

Mesahere cuz you're saying you have no right to know my past and what I ever did yeah my my Straight heterosexual past so then what if you're what if you're hanging out and you're dating a guy and you

Mesareally like him and he's like he's like the one and he spends the $10,000 a month on you the whole nine you know what I mean and you and you just and one day you just like pick up the phone and this guy's like yeah it's Chuck and I

Brian Atlasused to sleep with this dude would you dump him immediately it sounds like a value judgement it does sound like a value Jud judg what you want I can't beat with a man like that I'm sorry going going

Brian Atlasaround the table would you uh have a long-term relationship with a guy who had sex with men depends on compatibility in other

Brian Atlasaspects but no okay but no okay yes I'm pretty sure that's a no absolutely not are we supposed to answer this one I

Brian Atlasdon't know okay um well okay so um some of you said body count does matter some of you said said body count doesn't matter shouldn't matter don't object to

Brian Atlasmen caring about body count so it begets the question what's your body count starting with you over a 100 from you

Isabellagoing this way I'm not answering because I think that should be private between me and my boyfriend I thought you said body count doesn't matter shouldn't matter I mean I don't no well I also

Dezsaid it's no one's business you don't have to answer okay what about you um I'm genuinely not sure range

Dezlike or over X number like no more than 20 so 15 to 20 I would say Okay decline the

Brian Atlasquestion I thought body count didn't matter it's nobody's business okay ditto private zero waiting for marriage

Brian Atlasis I'm sorry you spoke you got guys please we do need you to speak I said zero I'm waiting for marriage oh that's really nice good for you beautiful it's beautiful it's marriage okay it's interesting though

Isabellayou guys say body count doesn't matter but uh you do refuse to answer the question I find that interesting I think privacy the my right to my privacy is

Isabellawhat is important to me and I don't want to share it on the internet that's fine that's fine I do think it's I I have a question too that I'm just curious about kind of folding into this my my question

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)is I I can respect your position but then this podcast is in famous sometimes Infamous for asking these questions you know so I wouldn't go on it if that was

Isabellamy position yeah but I had the option to decline to answer well I suppose you could decline to answer every single question we ask you but yeah and then i' probably like would never come back here

Hollylike get invited back some things just don't need to be on the internet like if you wanted to be on the internet you're not you don't have to answer the question it's fine it's just like it kind of you know your whole position of well body count shouldn't really matter men

Brian Atlasshouldn't really care about it but I also really want to reserve that information because you think you'll be judged on it well I have a different

Mesaquestion I'm curious about so all of you guys almost unanimously said if a guy had ever been with a another guy that's like no right off the gate which by the

Mesaway is awesome but let's let Andrew stop you're going to get cancelled dude they're going to cancel let me ask this let me ask this a different way should a guy be able to or should

Mesashould a guy get together with a woman who has had same-sex activity with another woman with a woman so a woman it samesex activity with a woman should a

Mesaman get together with her men love that double standards double standards hello um it's a little different oh it is it oh you think so what no what's the

Mesadifference from the if the standard is that you you had a safe sex relationship so that's a nogo but if this sex had a samees seex relationship that's AOK okay what's I mean that's up to you you know what I

Mesamean if that bothers you but I don't think it bothers most men yeah I mean maybe not but we're still holding the standard here right what makes it a no-go for you guys if a man was in a same-sex relationship for you not to

Rosedate him what what is that force that drives you where you're like no um I think masculinity and femininity are very different so when it comes to

Rosesame seex relationships with men like men and then women I just think it's a lot more it's a lot it's a bigger leak to to go same sex with a man than that doesn't

Mesareally answer the question at all like the question specifically is this same seex activity between two men you're like noo right mhm okay fair enough

Rosewhy because it's very uh emasculating in my that's that's pretty that's kind of as emasculating as it could get that's

Roseit it's just it's just a masculinity issue yeah I think so there's no other reason yeah I mean let's not get into that but but there is right there's other underlying reason sure but that's you know and also I don't know if that

Rosewould apply to female same seex situations why CU there's different uh body parts getting involved yeah I'm not I'm

Brian Atlasjust I still I just don't understand the standard I guess if I can jump in on that though so if you guys are kind of repulsed by the thought of men doing

Brian Atlasthat then like the thought of you doing that with other men that's kind of how we feel look it right to draw it to draw it all

Mesahome that's the same way that we would feel the opposite way you guys being with other M it's it's not a perfect it's not perfect I mean I I it doesn't map on one to one but you could get the preference here you get it right I

Hollyunderstand and that's kind of why I'm like I I I don't really encourage promiscuity like I actually prefer to be like with one person for long extended periods of time it's beautiful but great to each his own like if your body and

Brian Atlasknow speaking of which this is actually why I refus used to date a woman who who's had sex on camera with another

Brian Atlasman speaking of Shawn Evans call back to two hours ago if a woman has had sex with a man on camera that is a 100% a

Brian Atlasdeal breaker for me you're out do you mean like a home or old you are out a out you go a fla where's where's my Soldier wait how did how did

Brian Atlasthat get turned on holy you mean do you mean like a private movie or like only fans talking about public for public for Public public viewing yeah yeah of course of course okay let me get into

Brian Atlassome my other notes here from people let's see we have wait hold up who is this okay we'll come to that in a bit we

Brian Atlashave uh remind me your name Sophia Sophia somebody who constantly wants to challenge myself myself in the views I grew up on I did have a short stint with

Brian Atlaspolyamory two guys and one girl your question uh was have you had was that just a onetime thing or you've had multiple polyamorous relationships it

Sophiawas a onetime thing um was with two hetero guys um and one girl you were the one girl no there was one other girl oh

Brian Atlasso this two guys two girls yeah I mean outside of me yeah okay so it's like a

Brian Atlasfour-way relationship yep and so would you guys have group sex no no individually but so would the women and

Brian Atlasthe men sleep together like her and I sure no the two guys too no the two guys two guys wouldn't but the two girls would and then you would be with the two guys uh

Mesayes and then the other girl would be with the two guys also yes okay all right it was basically just these two guys swapping the guys around essentially it was you can make it as

Sophiacrass as you'd like but it was well I'm not trying to be crass I'm just speaking plain okay yeah um it was yeah it was a relationship like that if you'd like to put it like that but it was um very

Sophiacommunicative very open learned a lot from it learned I'm very monogamous and um I wouldn't do it again wouldn't do it again okay um we're all still friends we care about each other a lot what made

Sophiayou want to get involved in that well um I haven't seen relationships work very well um and the found you mean monogamous relationships

Sophiaokay yes and so I just wanted to see okay well if monogamy is not working for the vast majority of people maybe this is something that could work um again I didn't find it personally for myself

Sophiathat it could but um and I didn't really see many positives other than the community and the the good people that I met um the dynamic itself I don't

Sophiabelieve can work very well it takes a lot of time effort um and there's not there can't be a

Sophiamutual gain on everyone's end like it's it's just going to always be unequally divided okay you said that you'd like to

Brian Atlassee the divisive script of the show flipped I would love to speak on the differences in beauty of men and women what do you mean by see the divisive script of of the show flipped what do

Sophiayou what do you mean and how I think you know exactly I'm just kidding but you are um you have very inflammatory topics uh you take the same

Sophiastances when a woman May answer something um there seems like almost a very pursuant attack of her opinions and

Sophiaher goals um or whatever she's viewing um and so I just I believe the problem where we're at today as many of us have stated I think we are on the

Sophiasame page that this society and where we're heading now is not conducive for men or women I believe we can have a lot more respect for one another our

Sophiaindividualities um we are all on diff like we're all different people we all have different life experiences um and there's you don't

Sophianeed to respect everyone equally you don't have to agree with them um but I just believe that it's very divisive we're all thinking about ourselves these

Sophiadays thinking materal I can't say all I'm just saying like what is propagated on the Internet is that we're all very self-serving um you'll see the the men

Sophiago after women okay the the women go after men um and I I believe there's a lot of Beauty and the differences between men and women and that we need

Brian Atlasto start coming together and seeing that instead that's my if I can I'll just but so you're you're saying you know the show it's it's divisive well I mean I

Mesawill give you that the show is certainly adversarial in nature but you was a person who wanted to challenge yourself because of your upbringing of course you would want to have your stances on the different viewpoints you have challenged

Mesaright that doesn't mean I agree with you it doesn't mean you should personally attack people personally go after people but you should be able to go after stances and the things that people think that seems reasonable right I'm not

Sophiasaying it's unreasonable I'm saying how you go about it is who's you you're talking about the show you're talking about me can go about it how you can go

Brian Atlasabout it okay so how how do I go about it look I I will give you that the show has an adversarial nature but it's sort of a debate format yeah and I try to for the most part be respectful I'm not

Roseperfect all the time but for the most part I try to conduct myself in a 93% of the time respectful way why don't we ever talk like you don't ever talk about men's body counts or even ask

Mesaus if we it matters to us what a man's body body count is and I find that little one-sided so well we could um actually we did when we like right here

Mesain this conversation it was asked do you care about body count they said we don't care it's nobody's business that would work on both right work on the question

Mesawas do you is it all right for a a man to ask you you know what's your body count that was the question yes the question was so if the answer to that is no because it's nobody's business I'm

Mesajust going to assume that you you would put that on the other side too because if he didn't that would be pretty inconsistent right do isn't it a self-answer answering question I mean but the question wasn't asked I don't

Brian Atlasthink it is a self-answer answering question I think I think it's it's worth worth asking 100% sure well I mean and my personal stance on it

Brian Atlasis I don't think it's good for men to be promiscuous and sleep with a ton of women I do think there are differences

Brian Atlasthough and I do think promiscuity does have a greater negative impact on women I think women have more capacity to be

Brian Atlaspromiscuous whereas most most men cannot go and sleep with a new guy every single day of the week or sorry yeah did I say that wrong I know like most men don't

Brian Atlashave the capacity to be every single woman if she wanted to could be a that's why I think the body count thing is gendered there there's certainly a difference there like no

Brian Atlasoffense to you right you said you've been and I'm I'm not saying this to attack you but you've said you've been overweight most of your life again I'm trying to put this in the most delicate ways I can say it I'm the the least attractive at this no no no that's not

Brian Atlaswhat I was going to say what I was going to say is I think you said that your body count was over 100 right I would argue that your your male looks equival would be incapable of having a body

Andrew Wilsoncount over and I'm not saying that's attack glad not single donated $200 those body counts are insane wife

Andrew Wilsonand I had won previous each and agree it was a mistake find One Nail them down have the best sex slash ever what's

Andrew Wilsonyours orgasm to body ratio Two Kids and Counting yeah thank you man for the TTS I mean definitely it's interesting that women will engage in casual sex in so

Brian Atlasbecause a lot of times I you'll hear from women they don't even climax look you don't need to necessary climax for sex to be enjoyable but um a lot of these women aren't even coming in their

Brian Atlascasual sexual encounters anyways they're not getting pleasure so not to say that you need to climax to get sexual pleasure but um so to go back to your point though uh does occur to me

Brian Atlasthat men care far more about body count than women do if women do care body count I certainly don't object to that if a woman's standard was I wouldn't want a data guy with high body count I think that's totally valid I'm not I don't have a double standard like oh

Mesawomen aren't allowed to have a preference on this I do think it happens to be the case that women care much less than men do yeah so giv me a distinction between descriptive and prescriptive so

Mesait's it's not hypocrisy I'm saying descriptively it seems to him that the way that men view this and the way that women view this generally it's totally

Mesadifferent that men seem to view this as a preferential thing and women seem to view it as if a man has a higher body count they care about that less whereas

Mesamen carry about it more prescriptively he's saying I think both should probably have low body counts right so he's saying that so he's just given a difference between the description of what he sees as being reality and then

Rosebut the prescription is the same for both across the board yeah I mean I think I think what you said Brian's valid um but like I personally that that would bother me if someone had a high

Brian Atlasbody count yeah okay then that's totally valid and if you didn't want to uh and understandable date with them or if you didn't want to date them because of that that's totally valid right which is why

SophiaI understand it from your perspective okay cool what is divisive about the show go ahead um I mean your

Sophiainteractions or your reactions to some of the women's comments how you come about well give me give me an example I mean if you watch this with any sort of open mind you can see well I'm sitting

Brian Atlashere when I'm doing the show so I know do you ever reflect on how you interact with your you you're going to have to give me an a specific example because I can't answer your sort of generalized

Sophiastatement yeah yeah um uh let's say so um one of the candidates you had on your previous shows um she had deferred or declined

Sophianot to answer the body count question and you were like oh no and you kept pushing her to answer it and then when she did you use that information against

Brian Atlasher later on it was it was an do you know which episode it was no my God like am I supposed to remember that okay I mean we get into the body count question

Brian Atlasalmost every single episode so indeed you're going to have to for a because most the time here here's how it normally goes so I'll ask the B what's

Brian Atlasyour body count question M and then maybe they answer if they refuse to answer I will typically push back of once MH and say oh come on you you just

Brian Atlassaid that body count shouldn't matter why why that's the extent of my push back so I'm you'd have to show me the clip that you're referencing it's certainly possible that I pushed back a

Brian Atlassecondary time but so your assertion is what that I I was braiding her cuz I look I've done 140 of these episodes

Mesait's possible that I pushed back Beyond twice but I don't think I have okay and I will look through if you want the specific episode I'm not also this phenomenon that happens where because

Mesabecause the internet's great at clipping and you can make anything look like anything you want essentially with the right Clips yep if they get sent out the whole internet's going to tear it apart right and it can make something

Mesawhich didn't even look bad look a million times worse just based on the commentary things like this it's just the way it goes you know what I mean but participated in the show quite a few

Mesatimes doesn't seem like it's nearly as adversary like I've been in some brutal drag out debates that are really adversarial and for the most part it's

Mesapretty pretty chill format there is some Hefty debates but even then seem to back it off if it gets too heated and it seems like what they're looking for here is just kind of the exploratory of the interpersonal sexual Dynamics between

Sophiamen and women which is super interesting to people and it is and that's that's kind of what caught my eye when I when I first saw this podcast I was thinking it was why you watch it yes exactly but don't you watch it also because it's

Sophiaadversarial and it challenges you and that's kind of the thing you want right well it's not challenging in a way that's very informative or something

Sophiawhere it leads to an open debate with with open minds because it's it's what is this what is your stance on that and again I'm not a podcast you do a great

Sophiajob I don't I'm not I'm not offended I'm not off I'm just saying obviously I don't run a pack podcast of my own I don't know uh you know you've gotten

Brian Atlaswhere you are obviously because you're good at it um I'm okay I'm okay I mean okay you're you're however you'd like to describe yourself English is my second language so I'm constantly stuttering

Brian Atlasand I lose my train of thought I've got brain fog so you know I'm I'm all right a lot of Andrew here is the debate God okay he is he is yeah um when you're talking when you're talking

Mesathough about um kind of I get I understand what you're saying right but you're kind of coming at it too with an own bias of open-mindedness most the world's not

Mesavery open-minded I and the only way to really drive a point home to even expand a person's understanding of something is to engage in aders IAL linguistic combat

Sophiaright that's the way you very good at it like that's the way it works you know what I mean um I I'm supposing and a lot of these questions are too their their personal preference so because there's

Sophiaso many nuances in our experiences it's it can't have a very strong debate one way or the other that's not true because please tell me even if you have

Mesapreferences right you should still have consistency with the things that you do Lo some kind of logical consistency or some kind of basis from which you drive

Mesayour morality and values things like this and so the exploration here you talking about interpersonal relationships of any kind they don't even have to be sexual just interpersonal relationships of any kind

Mesaso you're really exploring what makes them fail that's what people are so interested in right they're not even nearly as interested as what makes them suceed talk about that but like what what makes them

Mesafail and so when we when we kind of dive into that it seems like what makes them fail all the time is an inconsistency in living up to those values yeah and so like I think that

Mesathat's really something really worth talking and I think that that's why people gravitate around dating shows in general I what the hell do I I don't know anything about dating but I still

Mesafind it fascinating to discuss the interpersonal uh Dynamics between people just like everybody else does yeah and that's something where we we could we could go down many rabbit holes of of

Sophiarelationship ship and why are they're not working out right now if we wanted to start either on uh beer delivery yeah that's pretty nice where's I'm just kidding I bribed him on the way well

Brian Atlasbefore you do that I I will actually address the open-mindedness thing you know what you've you've called me out I am actually I'm I'm not open-minded I'm very firm in my beliefs the sa my

Brian Atlasbeliefs are yes the Saun is terrible body count matters I prefer a woman with a low body count lip filler is gross bbls are gross fake titties are gross I

Brian AtlasI'm against plastic surgery what else um makeup is a lie what's that makeup is a lie yes makeup is a lie uh I'm not I'm not I'm kind of against makeup but I'm not like that hardcore with it actually

Brian Atlasspeaking of which well did we pull this up we had a I don't know if you guys remember this is like OG whatever stuff Nick can you pull up the Tik Tok thing uh we had a girl who came on the podcast and she talked on makeup and it went super viral it got like 30 million

Brian Atlasviews on Tik Tok ni can you pull up the Tik Tok it's a Tik Tok page there should it should be the only Tik Tok page it's one of the earlier ones it's like early early uh and it got used as like a uh

Brian Atlasyou guys might have heard it if you're on Tik Tok it got used as a noise that you can use a sound thank you on Tik Tok

Brian Atlas177,000 over 177,000 women have used the sound from our uh the original basically it's we're not going to play it but

Brian Atlasbasically and all these women in their uh have they use the sound and then they do like a makeup application video uh to the sound of

Brian Atlasthis woman saying that she's not a fan of makeup makeup is it's bad for your health blah blah blah 177,000 videos so uh you know it's it's interesting it's

Brian Atlasinteresting you know you guys are I I think a lot of women are um I know I don't know what the right framing on this is uh you

Brian Atlasare in some ways chained to your face paint I'm Inc you slaves you are all slaves to your face paint what do you

Brian Atlasmean and you will defend wait no here's how it goes you are so hopelessly a nerd wait oh my God wait wait can can we you have Stockholm syndrome particular

Brian Atlasyou're the Stockholm syndrome with makeup that you will like fight to defend it to the death I don't know where I'm going with

Brian Atlasthat but yes I'm I'm not I'm not open-minded I have firm beliefs and I will not no one's going to change my mind on the body count thing no one's

Sophiagoing to change my mind on the Natural Body Supremacy thing it's just I don't think we're trying to what I was saying is like when he said that's something we could discuss and that's why people go towards these sort of dating channels is

Sophiabecause the human mind and experience is so vast and so different that it is fascinating to explore and go down those rabbit holes that's what I would like to see instead of saying oh this this okay

Mesayou sorry isn't that what they're do I mean isn't that what they're doing like all the it's such a long podcast you have so many people on at the same

Mesatime all exploring those same topics it kind of ramps up right so like it's like a getting to know you phase followed by a okay now we have some

Mesainformation now we can actually start to explore this concept yeah so it's like doesn't that seem like it's this that seems like it's the very format you're talking

Mesaabout well I mean it does good I'm glad it does too cool or are you on the you know they just there are like um you remember the you remember the freedom

MesaTunes did you see the freedom Tunes don't believe so where where they're like that's stupid that one that's it that was the that's what it was right it was like it was trying to make fun of whatever Oh I

Mesathought it was funny I know well it was funny right but they weren't really because they weren't really making fun of the show they were just making fun of the concept of the reaction that people have the visceral reaction in

Sophiaunderstanding these Dynamics yeah you know what I mean and I I think this is definitely well depending on the audience members again it's very vast you have a lot of different audience

Sophiamembers I do believe they have similar stances and either the red pill or whatever this is um it could

SophiaI it's good everything's good I'm going no no no no no no come on be be just just go Ahad say

Sophiait don't what's what's the term uh don't I think maybe if there were you know a a smaller panel we could dive more intensely into these type of topics I

Sophiaguess I would love to see for your audience a a a change of course really like something where where we could talk about how we would like to see the

Brian Atlaschange How We Do benefit one another you are so right here's how we change women stop being promiscuous men also stop being promiscuous um you know maybe uh

Brian Atlasthe is it dance mov dance just we're just busting out and dancing now chair uh you know maybe like stop stop chasing after men out of your

Brian Atlasleague because that's what a lot of women do um what else no more talking in sonas no more talking in saunas exactly uh maybe don't like misrepresent your physical appearance on dating apps by

Sophiausing filters and Photoshop and caked on makeup because men do care this is a little one-sided on what you're saying and very well let me finish my point well I mean yes I'm being perhaps a bit

Mesasarcastic in my tone or maybe not even sarcastic but uh just over here turning into a skeleton waiting for the push back just kind of waiting

Brian Atlasfor you see how what you're saying is one-sided yeah I mean you could kind of push back this big opportunity right it's like yeah I'm letting him it would be it would be nice you know I mean I'm

Andrew Wilsonnot on dating apps anymore but when I was cable donated $200 Andrew stop obfuscating you don't know how to debate you're obviously a

Andrew Wilsonfraud enjoy your vacation and congrats on your baptism many years to you and your family appreciate that appreciate the

Brian Atlas$200 okay thank you cable for that look I mean when it comes to dating apps for example right uh when I used to be on dating apps I'd

Brian Atlasfrequently see women every single photo they have full face of makeup filters Photoshop I think that's being incredibly disingenuous physical physical attraction is very

Sophiaimportant to both men and women I wouldn't disagree um and again it's it's both sides we're seeing you know different heights and we oh see I've attacked actually I want to interrupt you I've attacked I've attacked their

Brian Atlasthese two girls here I've attacked their sacred makeup and now they want to leave is that right because no you literally said oh I want to leave no no no no no not about

Hollymakeup no oh but you do want to leave no no no no no no we just had a mutual code for listening what was your Mutual code our mut it looks like a let's leave in 5 minutes code no no it wasn't five

Isabellaoh 10 was 10 you can't get a straight answer out of this girl okay um we have early mornings tomorrow I mean if you need us to stay we can try to stay stay for as long as possible I'm not trying

Brian Atlasto stay till like midnight or like well it's 11 okay or I don't know 10 well you said ends at 10 10 well we aim for 10 okay we aim to rap at 10 okay it's fine

Brian Atlaswe have a long long drive okay cool it's always I don't know man it's always interesting with like I don't know how to explain

Brian Atlasit I remember okay I'll give you guys a bit of background story on me um when I was younger I was interested in acting and I remember I would living in Santa Barbara I would drive 2 hours just to

Brian Atlasaudition to be on something everybody who gets to be on this show show you get to be on the show I don't know if any of you have like have acted at all I would

Brian Atlasdrive hours to La just to for the chance multiple auditions and you got a lot of these girls come on the show oh my god oh it's so it's two hours away to Santa Barbara

Brian AtlasI feel like people don't understand like I'm not trying to toot my own horn here like being on the show is an opportunity like the length isn't the problem it's just safety you know driving home when

Brian Atlasyou're alert safer to drive the later you drive mean if if you're tired you know you want to be awake and alert when you're driving no I get it but it's just like it's funny to me as somebody who would like drive hours for opportunities

Brian Atlaswithout actually getting said opportunity and then like we literally like the girls that asked to be on the show we are handing you the opportunity to be on the show on a silver platter

Brian Atlasyou answer a couple questions you get invited on there's no casting call it's very streamlined no I'm I'm not upset about that but it's just interesting to me like people like we frequently get

Brian Atlaspeople oh my God I live in LA and uh 2 hours to drive to collaborate on this podcast is a bit too much for me it's just like okay I don't know it's just people seem like are

Brian Atlasjust I don't know somebody who like used to grind like who who tried that like I don't know man it's uh oh no well I'm sorry to have offended you like we

Isabelladidn't we didn't mean it like that we just mean being alert and alert fine staying like I originally had the intention of staying the whole time however long it took I assumed it was going you guys were gesturing like oh

Hollylet's leave in five or 10 minutes so I mean so that's why I asked are you guys intending to leave no we would we would just like to be out at a reasonable time

(background)like maybe around like 9:45 that's all 10 10:30 you know I'll see what I can do have work in the morning that's all it'll go faster if we just move on H like it'll go faster if we yeah no no no

Brian Atlasworries no worries all right going back to you you said that you met a guy on a plane to France do you want to tell us that story briefly anyone else that was me okay pretty specific time's ticking you know please

Brian Atlasbe considerate of the two guests here who have a long drive back to Los Angeles go ahead okay and what was your question there do I do I need to prompt you again okay you in your pre-show notes you said you met a guy on a plane

Sophiato France do you want to tell us the story yes um so this was something that was I mean so I I think a lot of our dating experiences are pretty either

SophiaBland or or doesn't I mean again this is very general or generalized but um something that sticks in our mind or makes us learn um about ourselves or or

Sophiathe world doesn't happen too often I'll speak in my case Alone um when we met obviously We Were Strangers um but the really fascinating part is there was a ease of energy about both of us I didn't

Sophiainitially find him attractive um and I had every intention of of napping the entire time because I had been tired but when we started

Sophiatalking uh because there was a flow of conversation because it was both very uh mutually open uh we found ourselves

Sophiatalking about everything dreams Inspirations all that um and just kind of fell into a comfort like we had known each other for a long time and so when we got off the plane we

Sophiaexplored Paris together he had lived there for a while and he showed me some of his favorite uh museums uh he picked me up a book uh when I had told him something he said he he thought of a

Sophiabook that could help me out potentially and um and we just it it was it was very romantic I I learned that I could be all sides of myself with someone and um and

Sophiaand that conversation like that could be had with this stranger if if there's Mutual openness so it was it was a it was a really nice experience so initially the guy started talking to you

Brian Atlasyou kind of weren't about it but he continued talking to you and you kind of relented I guess and then you said did you mention that you kissed at the end of the flight did you mention that oh no

Brian Atlaswe kissed by the end of the flight okay and then you said you ended up having the most French Day Ever when we landed what's that movie from the 9s almost sunset or some what's that

Sophiamovie with Ethan Hawk or something what's a French day I mean going to museums looking at art did making out in gardens don't know eating

Sophiaeating french food and people watching at a cafe it it was nice it was really nice okay good times

Sophiaum most so like Quant and baguettes or what are we talking about here I believe we had like Roto or steak or something like that and um and then wine and

Brian Atlasthat's that's the meal I remember at least so okay all right I don't know what else I could add sorry okay um did you see

Brian Atlasthe Eiffel Tower not with him no I I did that on my own oh okay all right so oh and also just a point of

Brian Atlasclarification not to drag it back here okay uh Isabelle you did reach out to us asking to be on the show correct yes you sent us the first message correct so is fair to say if

Brian Atlasyou've asked to be on the show I assume you know that the show look granted I will admit we do have a long podcast here but you've asked to be on the show

IsabellaI assume knowing that we have a long show no I I like originally I had intended to stay for the whole time and that well at first I I thought it was going to be

Isabellaabout around like 4 hours then I looked at the most recent episodes I saw they're like six or seven hours long yeah we we got to run long shows yeah

Brian Atlasyeah I don't I don't have a problem staying for the whole like that's what I had originally intended to do no I get it it's just it's people sometimes complain about the length of the show

Brian Atlaslook I get it it's a long time to sit and talk but um I don't know some of you aren't like in the content creation game so like you don't really have an incentive on that

Brian Atlasangle like but like there's girls who come on the show who like are doing it from a collaboration point of view they want the promotional benefit of being on the show their Instagram's Linked In the description they want more followers

Brian Atlaswhatever it may be those people who argue it's like again we're handing you a collaboration offer where you're collaborating with I'm not again

Brian AtlasI'm not trying to like this isn't to brag but just like to okay if a girl has 5,000 followers it's like we're not receiving

Brian Atlasmuch promotional benefit from your appearance on the show so it's like to me I would I remember when I was first getting into YouTube I would I would have worked for free for like days

Brian Atlasfor even a shout out from like a bigger YouTube channel and these people I'm handing them a collaboration on a silver platter and and they like so ungrateful

Brian Atlasso entitled so it's um I don't know I just remember back when I was starting out on YouTube I would kill to work with a bigger Channel and these people come in and you know anyways

Brian Atlaswhatever um so yeah go to twitch.tv whatever drop us a follow drop us Prime

Brian Atlassub guys and then let's see what else Uh Oh YouTube channel go subscribe to our Clips Channel guys we're trying to get to 1 million we're 75k away get us to a million guys get us to a million

Brian Atlasthank you guys mods if you could spam it in the channel thank you guys okay let's see we've gone over that let's go to uh okay let's go to Isabella Isabella you

Andrew Wilsonhave a septum piercing has that had any impacts on your dating prospects no no okay oh we got nashu Nao donated $200 Brian I think you should just stop

Andrew Wilsoninviting people on with friends they get comfortable to do rude things that they otherwise wouldn't do solo you've had insanely long podcasts with better guests uh well the the bigger the friend

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