Andrew Wilson! DUMPED Because She Did OF?! Men Making $50,000 Should NOT Date?! | Dating Talk #136

Date: 2024-02-19

Duration: 6h 59m

Guests

Brian Atlas

IIsabella (DT136)>

HHolly (DT136)>

SSophia (DT136)>

LLizzy (DT136)>

AAndrew Wilson >

UUnnamed (Algerian-Canadian, DT136)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_02Sophia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Isabella(guest)

SPEAKER_04Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Mesa(guest)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_07Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_08Rose(guest)

SPEAKER_09Dez(guest)

SPEAKER_12Holly(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteBrian declares war on talking in saunas

“if I was married to a woman for 10 years and we get into the SAA and she starts talking to me in the public SAA divorce”

QuoteLizzy discloses body count of 100+

“I unfortunately have a very high body count and a lot of that happened in my 20s because I slept with a lot of gorgeous men admittedly um but they didn't want to wife me or girlfriend me”

QuoteLizzy at 35, unmarried and surprised

“I think that now at 35 and unmarried I I did not see that coming”

QuoteLizzy confirms body count 'over 100'

“in the notes over 100 yeah so you know I I I have yeah I'll just say over 100”

QuoteHolly: 'my money is my money and his money is our money'

“my money is my money and his money is our money”

QuoteHolly says she has no exes (disassociates from past relationships)

“I don't have exes um and I would say unavailable”

QuoteSophia describes polyamorous relationship

“it was with two hetero guys um and one girl... we were all still friends we care about each other a lot”

QuoteAndrew Wilson states women have very low functional intelligence

“I think they have very low functional intelligence generally it's just me though”

QuoteDez's current sugar daddy tipped $1200

“the other night was like 1 12200 which was cool”

QuoteDez describes feeder sugar daddy arrangement

“he would give me money but have me send him videos of me like eating and like looking like overweight and stuff cuz he got off on that”

QuoteDez says 'all gas no brakes' about gasoline incident

“everybody else needs gas everybody else needs gas all gas no breaks”

QuoteDez describes throwing gasoline on ex-boyfriend's car

“I saw another girl in the back of his car and I got mad and I this gas tank was in my way and it spilled on me and I got pissed and I just started throwing the gas all over his car and the people in it”

Topics Discussed

Introductions

Guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Then go around on relationship status.

Sauna Etiquette Tangent

Brian goes on an extended rant about talking in public saunas being rude. Isabella mentions she met her boyfriend in a gym sauna. Chat votes: talking in sauna is rude.

Sean Evans / Melissa Stratton Breakup Reaction

Panel reacts to Hot Ones host Sean Evans breaking up with porn star Melissa Stratton on Valentine's Day. Discussion of whether he was wrong, Adam 22's Twitter trolling, and whether men should date sex workers.

Men Making $50,000 Should Not Date (Video Reaction)

Panel reacts to viral video of a woman saying men making $50k/year should not date. Discussion of income thresholds for dating, cost of living in California, what women contribute, 50/50 in relationships. Lizzy defends blue-collar men.

Princess/Queen Treatment & Men Providing

Discussion of what 'princess treatment' means, Holly's expectation of $5-10k/month in lifestyle spending, women dating up vs. men committing, women's inability to 'go back' after dating high-value men.

Cheating, High-Value Men, and Open Relationships

Whether high-value men are allowed to cheat. SPEAKER_07 (Lizzy) shares experience of sleeping with attractive men who wouldn't commit. Discussion of men's vs. women's attachment during sex.

Lizzy's Past Choices and Body Count Disclosure

Lizzy (35) discloses body count of 100+, discusses poor choices in youth including cheating at 19 and 21, change of heart at 28, and current regret at being 35 and unmarried.

50/50 in Relationships

Panel discussion on whether relationships should be 50/50 financially. Isabella describes her 75/25 dynamic with new boyfriend. Most women prefer men to pay more.

5050 Finance Debate & Dating Cost Context

Extended discussion on 50/50 vs. traditional financial roles; California cost of living context.

Body Count Discussion

Extended debate on whether body count matters, men's right to care about it, double standards, and whether high body count women are promiscuous by choice. Body count round: Isabella declined, Dez 15-20, Holly declined, 'zero waiting for marriage' (unidentified).

Same-Sex Activity Discussion

Panel unanimously says they would not date a man who has been in a same-sex relationship. Andrew Wilson raises the double standard on women's same-sex activity.

Sophia's Divisive Show Critique

Sophia (SPEAKER_02) challenges Brian on the show being divisive and adversarial. Brian and Andrew Wilson defend the debate format. Discussion of open-mindedness and consistency.

Sophia's Polyamory Story

Sophia shares her brief polyamorous relationship (2 men, 1 other woman). Concluded monogamy works better for her.

Sophia's Plane to France Story

Sophia met a stranger on a plane to France; they talked the whole flight, kissed, and explored Paris together for a romantic day.

Age Gap Relationships

Discussion of what age gaps are appropriate. Holly (22) is dating a man ~14 years older (~36). Panel debates predatory vs. normal age gaps. Holly says she couldn't date someone her own age.

Makeup as Misrepresentation Debate

Brian's position that makeup is a lie; debate on whether it misrepresents women similarly to men lying about height. Isabella discusses how severe acne affected her views.

Dez: Sugar Daddy with Feeder/Weight Fetish

Dez describes a sugar daddy who paid her to gain weight and send eating videos; also paid for heel-choke sessions. She received ~$2k/month + bonuses for weight milestones.

Holly's Twitter Rants

Brian pulls up Holly's Twitter: 'all men are liars,' birthday promises not kept, Valentine's Day men not celebrating rant. Holly explains context for each.

Dez: OnlyFans, Stripping, and Dating Sex Workers

Extended discussion of Dez's OnlyFans content and stripping career. Whether men are insecure or principled for not dating sex workers. Dez's feeder sugar daddy story. Stripper tales (nipple-rubbing VIP).

Dez: Toxic Relationship and Gas-Throwing Incident

Dez describes throwing gasoline on her ex-boyfriend's car after seeing another girl in it. Nearly lit the car on fire. Attributes incident to being bipolar and intoxicated.

Transcript

Page 5 of 8

Brian Atlasgroup the worse it tends to get because they tend to uh you know if it's like unfortunately we had a big group of friends on the that Witch episode um I don't think it's bad if it's a plus one I think plus one is fine once you start

Brian Atlasgetting the three then it's you know they're they have a bit more leverage but uh thank you man appreciate the TTS uh so the septum piercing has that ever never been a no an

Brian Atlasissue okay it is kind of like the tail tall tail tail tall tail tail tail sign of a feminist the septum piercing I mean I just does anybody thought it was cool

Dezanyone else here had the septum piercing you you well you've got the double well oh I thought it had I had one oh you had it you got rid of it I don't

Isabellaknow no guys said you that I I have all three piercings I have a bunch of ear piercings like it just okay I've always I've always thought it's the septum piercing is a red flag really no one's

Isabellaever said any the only thing I have gotten about it is people will think I'm by because of it but oh is that a thing I don't know I don't I didn't think it was a thing but apparently it is and then I just tell them I'm straight and

Brian Atlasthen that's like the end of the conversation okay okay we uh maybe we should ask the chat chat is a septum Pier a red flag

Brian Atlasone in the chat if it's a red flag so actually just type red flag or not red flag red flag not red flag I'd just be SC scared

Isabellathat she's a commi feminist manher not saying you are that would be look at look at all the red flags there my goodness well you know you can flip it up so it like it's hidden and then

Brian Atlasyou can just take it out whenever you want so I I could go meet someone while it's like not there yeah but see I want the the red pill I want I don't want the ignorance as Bliss I want to know ahead

Brian Atlasof time I don't think I don't know if it would be a a deal breaker but uh it would definitely make me raise an

Brian Atlaseyebrow it's interesting I've never heard someone like how much does she hate men you know like does she hate men that's what it makes me think you know do you feel

Mesathat way about colored hair too a little bit Yeah it used to depends on the cut though it it's it's not just the color of the hair because there's all kinds of women who dye their hair right

Mesaas if they cut it and like there's no easy way to say it but there's like there's a feminist style haircut that's true which is like I had a mullet but I

Isabellawas never a feminine that's kind of hot that you had a mullet can we see photos just kidding um we we saw on her Instagram earlier that was a mullet huh yeah subtle I it wasn't going hardcore

Brian Atlasyeah as far as the colored hair goes I remember back before you know the social justice Warriors started popping up everywhere it usually just meant she might have

Brian Atlasbeen just like an ALT rock chick and it didn't necessarily say anything about her politics or social justice leanings or whatever um usually meant there's probably daddy issues but I can work

Rosewith that I remember seeing an article that said mullets are the new uh like Neo-Nazi red flag for men for women wait oh women with mullets actually I'm not I'm not positive it was

Mesamen or woman but I know right didn't know where that was coming from well you know everything is the new you know oh yeah flag for the but the thing is I'll say this if you ever see one of the like

Mesa60-year-old chicks who have the glasses on and they have that short hair and it's blue yeah that's that's like always a feminist every single time it's like their it's like their dress code you know what I mean put put on the glasses and they go out and then you know they

MesaScreech the top of their lungs and they always have blue hair and it's in that short lzy haircut and that's that's it's like you're going to get cancelled Andrew you can't say that what' I say I didn't even say anything bad that time I

Brian Atlasdon't know I'm just watching out for you Andrew I'm just watching out I don't want you to get cancelled okay holy did you see how that computer just came at me bro holy bro it just came out

Brian Atlasof nowhere computer's almost Jesus holy dude just came out of nowhere okay um tattoo check Isabella I you have a couple tattoos can we get a

Isabellarundown on the tattoos what's the one on your arm this is a code for a word that's kept secret please are you oh sorry this one's a code for a word that's kept secret can you hold it up to

Brian Atlasthe this camera here is that ROM Roman numerals yeah

Brian Atlasit's a what are you an occult no does anybody besides you know what it um my family

Brian Atlasmembers do your family members also have like a similar tattoo they don't have any tattoos oh maybe like it's secret okay is it a date

Mesano is it your social security number no is it is it that each one of those Roman numerals represents a letter in the alphabet yeah and which alphabet is it

Isabellathe Latin alphabet it's the Latin alphabet so then we could just decode it can we decode no because it's not like four is representative of the fourth letter in the alphabet it's like my own

Mesais this a cipher is that what a cipher is Yeah well yeah it would be a cipher can somebody it be a cyer it' be a code though okay good times but you won't tell us you're not going to tell us right it's like for me it's my own

Mesapersonal meaning any other tattoos what are we working with yeah I have one how many um how many letters are in the she's not going to tell us Latin alphabet no no just how many letters are in the the

MesaLatin alph 26 he's trying to decipher your tattoo 26 how many how well I mean how many stamps do you have on I don't know you don't know

Brian Atlashow many numerals are there how many yo chat somebody decipher this right now somebody Cipher that decode it okay um we've gone over your

Sophiatat tattoos are you tats tats I'm not flipping you off it's what what is that all very clich is that

Brian Atlasa this is a arrow Oh I thought it was like what's that thing from Dune like the John de gabar the John gabber Dom gabber I know it's called I didn't watch

Brian Atlasit but okay good talk Benny jesser it you know okay good talk um tattoos I have three tattoos

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)I don't know if you want to go they're not exciting um let's see except for one I suppose has meaning um I have a

Brian Atlasmonarch butterfly on my back uh on my shoulder so wait lower back no no no no okay all right um that's the I have that

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)I have a I have a dolphin lower back T too okay well in my crazy party um I also have three stars behind my ear

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)because when I was 19 and I went into the Parlor I oh God I wanted to be cool like Rihanna and she has those stars and I thought that was cool so I got that and then I have a pink octagon on my

Rosefoot and that one actually does have a meaning um I used nope you don't have to tell me okay fair enough tats tats tats Yep they're very faint and poorly done

Rosethey didn't quite get finished cross have this is cross yeah um butterfly can you get a tattoo on you that says speak into the mic I'm sorry that would be

Rosenice okay butterfly here rose that I can't show you it's on my hip and um some poorly done finger tattoos that you won't even be able to catch

Brian Atlasprison no you got those in prison something like that okay good times what about you any T I don't have

Brian Atlasany okay cool uh going back to Isabella no TS yeah that's good uh I'm going to prompt you Isabella you said you dated an absolute

Isabellapsycho wait I can't legally speak of some of it because he went to he was on the run and he just got caught and we're

Isabellaawaiting trial so I can't like go into detail oh are you a witness no what you so what do you mean you can't legally oh

Brian Atlasare you act of trial I'm like the victim oh I see okay okay yeah like this like just happened to do with the code wait are you wait are you saying if he before he got caught come

Brian Atlason you could have shared the details yeah I would have been more than happy to do that damn bro see you reached out back in it was like August or some

Brian Atlasyeah it's taking a while for this we're not going to get into that but uh can you talk about okay yeah I mean I'm just looking

Isabellaat this I don't probably can I say it can I say what you wrote um and you can just say no

Isabellacomment no well I'll respect you I'll respect if you want me to not it depends if you mention the illegal things or the non-legal well he yes he definitely did

Brian Atlassome illegal things yeah but I would be saying them so does that change anything cuz I could just read what what you didn't you definitely did not write this to me I just assumed

Brian Atlasthese things because I can read minds I'm telepathic you never wrote Brian's over here trying to tamper with an ongoing investigation wait but people you're

Brian Atlasallowed despite uh a proceeding for a criminal trial a victim of a crime can publicly make statements there's nothing

Brian Atlaswait on advice of the prosecutor did they say not to speak or is this just like you feel like you should talk about it I think it'd be better not to and I'll respect that if you don't for just

Brian Atlasuntil it's like over but because the the reason I'm I'm kind of trying to I'm seeking clarification is you said because of the there's a

Brian Atlascriminal trial you can't speak about it but is it because you don't want to speak about it which again I I will totally respect but it's not clear to me if you've been like uh what's the term

Brian Atlaswhen courts will uh not muffle but they will uh like a gag order like a gag order or like instruct you not to speak about a I haven't been ordered by the

Isabellacourts but I have gotten like legal advice to kind of not talk too much about it from your like very publicly from his

Brian Atlasattorney well cuz she might not want to incriminate right the guy I can't imagine from the prosecutor's side they would say don't I suppose they could say

Mesawell if you say give you an order right I don't think they they can bar you from from like they can't bar you yeah they can they can bar you from speaking about cases yeah but they didn't bar her yeah

Brian Atlasthey didn't bar her but I think she's coming at it from she doesn't want to incriminate the guy the guy I can totally in like I no you could but you him like but I don't want to mess the

Isabellacase up I don't yeah I don't want anything to go a certain way or have it seem like I'm potten like making anything up to get some big story to like put online to potentially go viral

Isabellalike I want it to just be authentic in the trial and not have it somehow be twisted in any other way where it could be turned into like me lying or Mak

Brian Atlasyou're using it for fame seeking yeah okay because it's like these were like real events that happened yeah that sucks well sorry to hear you went through that um I don't truthfully I'm

Brian Atlaslook I'm not I'm not an an attorney I'm not your attorney but I don't think unless you've received an order not to do it I it's not clear to me if there would be any certainly no negative

Brian Atlasre ramifications on you can I at least ask just for my own did you continue dating him after the

Isabellaalleged uh incidences took place no oh my God no he went on the Run he went on the Run well I didn't want to anyways but even if he like even if he didn't go

Brian Atlason the run I still like he would be gone restraining order everything um okay but yeah it wasn't even an option anyways CU he was you said that okay I'll I'll move on the chat wants wants me to move on

Brian Atlasbut you did include it I don't I bring it up because you included it in your pre-show notes so but if it's off limits um I would like to you said you wanted to discuss age gaps in dating and what is appropriate so why don't we start with you and I will open it up to the

Isabellawhole panel go ahead that's a good question um I

Isabellathink if the age Gap is relatively large and I know this can be subjective it does definitely rub me the wrong way whether it's the man that's

Isabellayounger or the woman that's way younger like in both ways it just feels a little bit predatory predatory okay I think before we weigh in on that I I do want

Brian Atlasto get the answer from from the rest of the panel so you think it's a bit predatory do you want to add to your answer at all or um no I'll like let everyone else okay so you think you feel

Brian Atlasit's weird you think it's predatory okay um it gives me icky Vibes icky it

Brian Atlasgives you Icky Vibes vibes okay how much of an age capap are we talking I mean that's up to the each individual but um I don't know well you're currently in an

Brian Atlasage Gap relationship isn't that correct something like that what do you mean well you said you're you're 22 he's 32 right around there so that what do you mean around there he's older than

Holly32 like 10 15 years older than me how old is just say how old he is I don't know people are watching I don't put people on blast um but like what's the

Brian Atlasage got like 14 years okay so you're 22 so he's 36 about there yeah maybe it's more okay well just here yeah you're friends with her do you object to her

Brian Atlasrelationship do you think her relationship is predatory well so i' I've met wait did you just say a little bit what no no no no no no no no I mean like I I might have heard wrong but it

Hollysounded like you whispered a little bit no no no I was saying like no it's not predatory so you're friends with her she's dating this guy do you think that that's a predatory relationship well

Isabellahaving actually met this person and like gotten to know him no so of course it it does depend on so it's okay for your friends to date have age gaps I didn't

Isabellasay that for me I also said it was subjective how big of the age Gap it is well it's it's a Well if it was 4 years older than he is now then would it be too much I don't think that's a large

Isabellaage Gap though what's large for me a large age Gap is if they're within 5 years of like one of my parents ages so like my my youngest parent is my stepdad

Isabellahe's 40 so yeah I guess 35 would be at the like pushing it like that's a pretty big age

Brian AtlasGap personally I don't object to as long as they're both adults um but I would say that most people who do object to

Brian Atlasage gaps would probably find her age Gap relationship objectionable she's 22 I don't I don't find it objectionable but I think a lot of people would or

Brian Atlasthat who object to age gaps would she's 22 dating a 36-year-old 14e age Gap and in this case you just said it's okay

Isabellabecause older guys anyway I was still like I was still a little bit concerned like wanting to know what his intentions were so I like it does depend on the person at the end of the day like you

Mesacan make these so then they're not predatory then no I mean they can't be predatory if they're not Predator right they're only predatory based on the individuals right yeah so that could be true about a 22-year-old 23y oldold

Hollycould be predatory so just for context I mean I was interested in somebody before who was a little bit older than 35 36 and that felt very

Hollypredatory um because the individual involved because of the individual but you said you were interested in him well both vice versa right but I'm saying the dynamic itself kind of felt very

Hollypredatory right like why like you know like we just didn't have anything in common like going out the looks sorry going out the looks what do you mean the

Hollylooks you know because but you said you were interested in him we were both I was we were both interested in each other but I'm saying like that relationship compared to like this one

Hollynow feels very different like I don't really even notice the age Gap but I do prefer older men like I don't think I could date somebody my age okay but so why was that specific

Brian Atlasone predatory we didn't have anything in common so if you don't have something in like so let's say a 2 interested in let's say let's say a 23 and a 22-year-old have nothing in common that

Brian Atlaswas just one of the things is it predatory to not have anything in common no no no no that was just one of the things um he didn't he like aged poorly so like but you said you were interested

Hollyin him I was how was him aging poorly mean he's predatory no no no no I said I said it it felt weird like maybe May me feel feeling weird is a better a better way to describe it but the dynamic just

Hollydid not flow very well um but you said it and it felt inappropriate yeah but that's the part the inappropriate predatory whatever that is right right because I think um when I first started

Hollyum engaging with this person um I kind of had a blinders on to you know the actual age Gap itself because everything was just going so great and so quickly um so you ignored the age in Li of

Mesawhat and L stuff and stuff and things just just just it was very was it for stuff and things it was very exciting was it for stuff and things did you ignore the age gap for stuff and

Hollythings I would say more experiences it was very exciting but experiences like stuffff and things I'll just give an example I hope he's not watching this I

Hollyreally do um so like what was this last February I was intending to go to New York for Spring Break um with my friends

Hollyand I was just chatting to him about it and he was like no don't go by yourself like I'll arrange the whole trip and arranged like a weekday at a beautiful here come here

Mesacomes the things let's hear about the things it was just like an unforgettable experience you know but a lot of attention to detail like it was like wow you know so for the material gains you ignored the hang on hang on for the

Hollymaterial gains you ignore the age right but he was also a really really funny guy addressed very well too it's just after a while I was just like this is just not going to work you know I'm not very attracted to you at all so for the

Mesamaterial gains I never told him to do this he did this for me you know right no I get it but I'm just saying like well you know I'm not attracted to you

Mesaright this isn't really going anywhere but thanks for the right like I mean come right is that basically what happened I mean after a while yes it did Fizz out yes correct but compared to

Brian Atlasthis one this one is like fresh and like okay sexy you know okay getting everybody else's thoughts on age Gap relationships

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)General answer no again it depends on the individuals involved well of course but I mean yeah okay all

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)right I mean again keeping it genuine there are times like if I saw a 50-year-old man dating an 18-year old

Brian Atlasgirl admittedly I'd get the ick wait hold wait wait sorry an older man dating a what like an 18year old girl oh 18-year old girl okay I'm that being

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)said um actually listening to you on this podcast I have learned I need to set aside my feelings and think about okay what is the morality of the situation so if I look at that no

Mesaproblemo they're both problem right so this is the thing right all the objections are always just I don't like this why I don't know and it's just like well then I don't

Rosegive a right just that's that's just me I think the only valid maybe like argument you can make there is like your cognitive function isn't quite set in until you're about 25 no that's not even

Mesatrue for everybody I heard that was fake news it is fake news in fact the series of sociological studies which he would be referencing to bring up the cognitive disparity between but no these are

Mesasociological studies Neuroscience especially will be the this inside of the neuroscientific field especially what you're talking about is one specific part of the brain which isn't fully developed in a human adult female

Mesauntil they're 26 the prefrontal cortex is that it that's that one part but the thing is is like but how much does it but is does it diminish your cognitive ability by 1% I mean it rings true for

Roseme I I I do feel like once I got to about 25 like yeah but you had a whole ton of experience a lot more ability to to make better decisions but the problem with this is let's assume for a second

Mesathat every year you got older it increased your cognitive ability or whatever by 1% or 2% or something like this some you know kind of smallish uh type percentage now let's assume that

Mesathat never occurred it just stopped at 2% less than what it is now or 1% less than it is now and you had the same exact 10 years of experience you would still be way smarter than you

Mesawould be when you were 16 or 18 or 19 or 20 you would still be so that the question becomes is it experience or is it the fact that your brain's not completely 100% developed until you're

Mesa26 years old that just seems absurd to me it's like you weren't that much smarter at 26 than you were at 24 or even at 22 obviously it's Progressive you know yeah that's why I'm saying but is it Progressive due to experience or

Rosebecause your your brain isn't completely developed till you're 26 that's the question I mean I think that is what the studies show is that your pref frontal cortex kind of complet

Mesait's it's sort that's not for can we google the the whole like 25 there's multiple there's multiple data samples on this and no it's not

Mesashowing that you somehow get the like when you turn 26 the day you turn 26 you're like oh Eureka my brain's done developing now I can go get that man

Mesathat I want that do that just seem absurd on its face no I don't think it's like a happens in one night right well it doesn't happen it happens it's a gradual transition but if you're 23

Mesaversus 26 how much more intelligent are you because of your brain development that's the question I think it's a question of experience versus 26 I think that's I think everybody but that's a question of experience not necessarily a

Mesaquestion of brain function so I'm saying that the distinction between your brain at 1826 you'd have to demonstrate that it's so significant that if you were to leave it the same and give the same amount of experience between those two

Mesaages there'd be some massive difference that's what what those studies failed to show that's my whole problem with it I mean I I haven't actually looked at studies I don't know if you have but I have this would this comes up quite

Mesaoften and that's my whole problem with it is like well let's let's see what would happen if if we were able to demonstrate well we stopped it from 20 to 26 and they have the exact same experiences how much of a different

Mesaperson would they be that's a much larger question so I'm not willing to just say well because the brain's not fully developed the day they turn 26 they can go get what yeah but I think you at least you would agree that you

Roseknow an 18-year-old probably isn't as as good at making uh judgments as a as a 25 26 well then should they be able to vote against a 26y old and cancel out their

Mesavery well-informed vote I mean I I don't know I'm haven't thought you don't know well if they should if you're saying that well the experience of an 18-year-old woman is such that she could

Mesanever make the same type of judgment call that a 50-year-old man can fair enough then why should be able to cancel out his vote I mean I I I've never stated that that I believe that she

Mesathat's why I asked should she I I mean don't know I haven't thought about it well you should think about it because this is the same type of argument it's like at what point are they an adult and if they're an adult are they an adult or are they not and if they're not when are

Mesathey and if they're not what responsibility should they have or shouldn't they have because I don't I'm not willing to be like well Johnny you can go to war but you can't go after a 50-year-old woman it's like well no I'm not so sure I'm willing to make that

Mesacall or you know hey Tim yeah sure you got drafted but you can't smoke till you're 21 because well society's just said it gives him the ick right gives him the ick that you smoked timy now go

Mesaover and fight the enemies of the United States that just seems absurd to me you know what I mean so when I look at it I'm like I mean I agree with that yeah if this is an experience-based thing well 18-year-old woman could be drafted if an 18-year-old woman was drafted then

Mesais she cognitive enough and smart enough to go out with a 50y old man should be dra drafted at all yeah I think women should be drafted but if they were but let's just say that they were that they should be drafted women like men were drafted it's like there's a war right we

Mesaneed you in the field you're drafted just like 18-year-old Johnny over there okay can she go for a 50-year-old man then is she is she smart enough then to make those decisions I think legally she should be

Roseable to I I agree with the legal age of 18 we have to set some age so what's the moral argument well the moral argument is like everything is has is nuanced so I mean you have to look at every unique situ moral argument is that everything

Roseis Nuance I'm saying things have Nuance so yeah know things have Nuance but there's we're just talking like okay here's stock 18-year-old girl and stock 15 50-year old man like I think there's a reason why people may get uncomfortable

Mesawhen they hear that and I think it's valid it probably comes out of a real do you think that your grandparents were uncomfortable with that your great-grandparents were uncomfortable with that cu the answer is not really it

Mesawas not a not a huge social issue of the time I I think it has been actually no it hasn't been it was never a big social issue that there was these large age I know back like mhm like probably like

Mesa2,000 years ago it wasn't well let me give you a different example let's see World War II by the end of World War II France is male population been decimated mostly the young men because they just

Mesahad two World Wars the female population wasn't decimated age gaps were pretty wide right by necess how you going to

Mesaprocreate right there's no other men except these is it immoral then I'm not saying it's I've never made the Blake statement that it's immoral though right so I mean if it's but is it

Rosesituationally immoral or is it just really that it gives you the ick I think it's situationally immoral like to try it's a slightly different situation but I'll try and make an example you know if

Rosethere's a kid like I have to be responsible with with uh someone who's a minor in in other dimensions do you know what I'm saying no but I want to be charitable to what you're saying so I'm

Mesatrying to think of a good example but like a minor another dimen do you mean like their cognitive function is if they're 18 is like that of a 15y old you have to look out for people younger than

Roseyou and and there's definitely a chance to take advantage of their innocence so I think that's some that I think that's generally what we're getting at you know what I'm saying yeah but you don't there doesn't even need to be an age gap for

Rosethat you just take advantage of them anyway at the same age take of them I mean there's obviously a serious problem with taking advantage of people who are much younger than you because their lack of experience but there would be a

Mesaserious problem for anybody to take advantage of anybody for any reason right what do you mean so like let's say a 50-year-old guy is taking advantage of the niev of a 19-year-old girl in order to I don't know get her do whatever the

Mesahell it is that he wants versus a 21-year-old guy let see why it's immoral Moral Moral just because the guy is 50 versus 21 I don't see what the difference is I would think he would know better than the 21-year-old but I

Rosesay they're both but I'm just saying it seems like it's just equally bad to me doesn't seem like there's this was more bad to that because like a 20-year-old 20-year-old doesn't have as much experience as a 50-year-old I think they would know better that's just my general

Mesasense get yeah I get it I understand what you're saying but you could have a 25-year-old and a 24y old girl and he is vastly more intelligent and vastly more experienced than she is usually not

Mesathough but you could right and there's no ick there the only ick would be in the distinction for age and it's only due to like some kind of preference but if we were to look at the immoral action of 50-year-old man takes advantage of

Mesa19-year-old girl it's like oh yeah that's bad but if 21-year-old takes advantage of 18-year-old girl that's still just as bad and also as a 50-year-old man wouldn't you want somebody who has a little more

Mesaexperience I don't know what their preferences are but the question the question to me is not even the question to me is not why do you prefer this thing X but whether or not is this thing

Mesaeven a problem so is it actually even a problem that a 50-year-old might you usually see people together who are roughly the same age I think that's because they grew up in the same era

Rosethat as peers you tend to be able to connect on a lot more so I think maybe that's why okay maybe something's off there maybe that's a red unless this Social Circle becomes reduced due to external external factors like for

Mesainstance War if 40 or 50% of your male population young male population totally decimated now you have these extreme age gaps now it's necessary so in that case is that okay yeah I think that's fair

Mesawell then if that's okay you're really just saying there's nothing really immoral here I never said it was never if there's nothing immoral then why do we care that's my question a red flag it's definitely a red flag okay well now that's fair right you can say it's a red

Mesaflag or something that you would look out for that's fair enough but I'm just saying I don't see a problem with it per se not necessarily which I've seen so your thoughts uh I think as long as both

Brian Atlasparties are consenting adults it's fine there you have it there you have it going back to some of you who said that you find it predatory or icky do you

Isabellacare to elaborate on your answers how is it predatory so well I'd like to not exactly change my answer but I'll add more I think it's different if two

Isabellapeople meet they don't know how old they are they happen to have a connection and then you you know like it it just it happens to be a prettyy large age Gap but if like an older man and an older

Isabellawoman is purposefully going on dating apps and making their age range very young like purposely looking for these younger women that's when it feels pretty predatory cuz you're actively

Isabellaseeking someone way younger than you or if you have some type of age cut off wait an age cut off yeah like if you're like oh I don't want to woman would you date a 70-year-old man no what

Mesaare you doing with this age cut off no I'm saying what if you didn't know his age it would make it okay then right he only thought he was 45 no but what I'm saying is like let's say you meet

Isabellasomeone and they happen to be I don't know whatever age kind off like a lot of men have like 30 cut offs or yeah like 30 they're older than 30 and you're like no even though they're

Mesacloser to your own age that means you want them to be significantly younger than you so what if a man he's in his 40s he wants to start a family okay he hasn't been able to for whatever reason okay maybe he's been like longterm in

Mesathe military maybe he has other things going on right he has not been able to but he's ACR a ton of resources so he starts researching goes online he's like how can I have a nice big family what

Mesaare the things I should be looking for do you think fertile woman would be like one of those big criteria for that if you wanted to have a family

Isabellafertility in women would be a big one right what are the other options yeah well first of all there even though the percentage of women that are still

Isabellafertile is less as they get older there still are some or if you really want if you want to have nine kids you probably wouldn't want to marry a 30-year-old

Mesaright but if you want children that badly you could adopt adoption yeah but you could also marry a 25-year-old there are also women who freeze their eggs

Mesayeah I know but but what if you again you could just marry a 25-year-old too you could be a 40-year-old man and go well she's 25 so I get the maximum amount of fertility I want to have 78

Mesakids but then why weren't you trying to start that family maybe because you were trying to acrw resources so you could and then if the 25-year-old says yeah you have the resources I really dig you I think you're great uh I want to give

Mesayou nine kids I could not imagine anybody at this table could ever give me a single problem with that from a moral standpoint ever I don't think it would

Brian Atlaseven be possible wait I have a question so well let's let her respond before do you have a response

Brian Atlashe's well I I want to hear what H's say no no no no no no no no so Andrew said he doesn't think anybody at this table would be able to raise an objection over I don't think anybody in this country

Mesacould raise an objection to this from moral standpoint that would be in any way coherent but I would love to hear it I if I can add on to your question

Brian Atlaswithout raising an actual argument or objection do you find the scenario that he painted predatory or icky 40-year-old

Brian Atlas25-year-old a little bit Yeah okay a 40-year-old with a 25-year old correct um her prefrontal cortex is

Brian Atlasfully developed at this point bear in mind close enough anyway um no no no who cares they're both happy yeah it's Beau it's beautiful go ahead what's

Hollyyour question I was just asking for a friend do you think it's do you think that from a woman's

Hollyperspective having kids at 25 with someone who is 40 is disadvantageous I can't figure out how it would be disadvantageous from a

Mesalogical standpoint it could be from um some kind of preferential standpoint how old is Henry Caville caval his they could say for instance um 40

Brian Atlaswait can can I jump in here really quick you're you know who Henry caval is Nick could you Google Henry Cav Superman Superman Superman yeah thanks uh The

Brian AtlasWitcher the tutors if anybody I don't know if anybody knows the great actor oh I know him yeah uh very handsome man 40 years old didn't he play Superman yeah

Brian AtlasSuperman so what what was your question the 40 year-old and the 25y old I was asking do you think it's disadvantageous for a 25y old woman to have babies let me ask do you think it would be disadvantage disadvantageous for a

Brian Atlas25-year-old woman to have ch children with Henry caval no do you think do you think a lot of 25-year-old women would jump at the chance to be with Henry H

Mesaforget that for a second let me ask this easier let's say for somehow I don't know how okay but they were they froze

Mesasperm from a guy from 1915 who died okay 1915 they had the Frozen sperm and a woman wanted to become a

Mesamother right and she looked through and she's like oh I really want this guy from 1915 want to have his babies right and so she like artificially inseminated

Mesaherself and she had the baby okay well didn't she actually have a child then with a dude who's like

Isabellaover a hundred years old no no well wait I'm a little confused by this one myself didn't she

Isabellaif you freeze the sperm uh right they're like they're frozen yeah so it's not like it's this 100y old like living man it's his 18yearold sperm or something I

Dezguess well what if it's his 50-year-old sperm I don't know that seems like what if they froze it with when he's 90 but it's just sperm it's not like you're having intercourse yeah

Isabellayou don't have a relationship with that person and like what you were saying so then if if that's true then is that saying that you can be in a relationship with an 80-year-old man and as long as

Mesayou don't have a intercourse with him and you just like I don't know he jerks off in a cup and you inseminate yourself then that relationship then is fine or no no this this what I mean like I think

MesaI think that's says she says there's all kinds of nuance and I'm like let's see if we can find the craziest Nuance we can an 80-year-old jacking off in a cup is pretty crazy it's pretty nuanced yeah

Isabellapretty nuanced yeah but can can I ask you something so you were grilling hie a little bit when she was talking about wanting these like material things from

Isabellaa man blah blah whatever and then she brought up children and you were like that's a material thing as well and now you're saying material conditions for children yeah yeah and now you're saying

Isabellaso you're like oh it's wrong I don't know if this is what you meant but this is how it sounded like that it's not good to just seek someone for these material things but then in your scenario when you're talking about this

Mesa4-year-old man actively seeking someone younger just for the material thing being the children that you what happened is she asked would it be

Mesadisadvantageous for a 25-year-old woman right to um get you know get married to a 40-year-old man have his babies I can't think of how that would be disadvantageous but I'm talking about

Mesawhat we were talking about like a couple hours ago yeah but you're conflating two different things so the question which was asked is how would this be disadvantageous I don't see how it could be disadvantageous I mean I don't think it's

Isabelladisadvantageous per se but I still think that like if the only reason you're trying to like build a relationship with someone younger than

Isabellayou is to have children with them then that's like why would you do that to perpetuate to perpetuate the human species so people like you can be alive no but the other core values that you were talking about earlier like

Isabellaintegrity and loyalty and all that like you can have all of those things together you can but what if you can't find that and you only find like that's pretty hard to find

Isabellavirtuously okay so you mean what happens if you can't find a virtuous woman at the age of 25 yeah so are you just going to settle for someone who you don't have that same connection with but they're 25

Mesachildren or would you rather be with someone who's older more so now so now if you want to make the shift from whether or not it's just advantageous and you're talking specifically about

Mesathe core of relationship Dynamic for preference and you're like is it is the preference for this guy to to only have nine kids if that's the case then I guess he could compromise on his values

Mesabut if the preference is not that if the preference is he wants to have nine kids and a virtuous woman then yeah he might have to compromise on his standards I don't see how he how he wouldn't be you know I mean as far as looks and this

Mesatype of thing or am I misinterpreting your question or am I getting something wrong here well just cuz you were saying that like a 40-year-old man who really

Isabellawants a family like really really badly they're going to only look at younger women because they have a higher chance of being fertile and being able to give you those Cho no I'm not saying they're only would but I would understand why

Hollythey would can I play Devil's Advocate from my original point on this topic so if I am an hot 25-year-old woman okay and this 40-year-old man wants me to

Hollyhave his kids don't you think that he should be providing for us to have for me to even consider having his kids or no I think that he should be in a position in which he can provide for the

Mesachildren in his family especially at almost 15 yeah 15 years older does that mean taking you to the Bahamas and giving you $10,000 or I never said give $10,000 is that $10,000 a month for

Hollyyou to go ziplining and hangliding that's providing for you and the kids no no it's not no it's not y'all taking my words out of my mouth what I'm just

Hollysaying I'm just saying is like at that dinosaur age you should wow you should you should be doing more than if I'm

Mesagoing to go have kids with somebody my age that's just my take they you should be doing more yeah do you think that do you think that a man who is in his 40s who by your own admission is going to

Mesahave more resource than man at 25 you'd have ch don't you think he'd be better to provide for your children no that's what I'm saying yeah well then he is doing more no I'm just asking he's just not doing more for

Mesayou he's doing more for The Offspring just not for you so by default that you don't get the pearls you know the the kids get new clothes that's that's how it goes you know you don't get the pearls you don't get the big diamond the

Mesakids get the better school the kids get the better education kids get the better life it sounds like a sad life I will just it sounds like a sad life to pref to make a the preferences

Mesathe children over yourself no why can't we all have a beautiful life I mean what you could right you you can't you know what you can have it all you can

Mesahave five kids and $10,000 Bahama vacations and just kind of everything you want it doesn't cost $10,000 princess treat okay princess treatment uh a couple questions here with bricks

Brian Atlaswith gold in their pockets just waiting they can't wait to have nine nine kids oh a couple things here okay guys um go to twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a follow drop us a prime sub go subscribe to our

Brian Atlassecond Channel guys second Channel Clips Channel mods if you can spam in the chat guys we're trying to get to 1 million Subs on there help us get to 1 million Subs on our Clips channel on the age Gap thing so just

Brian Atlasreally quick going around the table I showed you the photos of Henry caval cavil sorry if I'm up his last name 40 years

Brian Atlasold would you date him assuming you're single right no be because of his age just well I don't he's not your type tall handsome Rich successful I don't

Mesaknow what he looks like I didn't see when him up you but I also I don't know anything about him like I don't if he had a swell personality yeah like he could have a cool

Mesapersonality and whatever and like we could have no connection or we could have nothing in common you felt a connection with him Henry cavl you felt a connection with this guy he was great

Mesahe was like you felt like you met your spirit animal age as my you felt like you felt like you'd finally met the one but he's you know 40 and Rich arguably highly successful and goodlooking he's

Isabellathe same age as my stepdad and I could never feel like I would feel comfortable bringing him home to meet my parents like it would feel weird to me I mean that'd be a huge W to bring Henry Cavill to your parents but okay

Brian Atlasthey they'd be like good for you okay he's not my type what's your type oh we should we we'll go around on Types on this what's your type really quick though my best friend says I like Muppets I don't know if that I don't

Dezknow if that makes sense do they have the broccoli haircut some you like guys with the broccoli I don't know what the is a muppet what's a muppet like

Dezokay so their faces are more round and softer features compared to like being chiseled and like is this an actual like term a Muppet or did you no my best

Brian Atlasfriend made that up Muppet what does that mean they're just okay soft feminine facial features not like feminine facial features just like like uh tell us a famous actor that we can

Dezwell the guy just pulled up had a very like chis face so probably opposite of him Timothy sham is he a muppet no is

Dezthat a muppet who's the guy who plays Spencer from that big bang the show no

Dezbig no Spencer from that spenc the scientist guy the is that can you Google

Dezthat who's Spencer Reed I think it's Spencer Reed from like no like NCIS or something like Spencer Reed criminals Criminal Minds Criminal Minds

Brian Atlasthis is a muppet that's a muppet so like kind of hipsterish like looks like he went to a liberal arts college

Brian Atlaslike you want to P she like kinds of I don't know oh no a muppet honestly I don't know I don't really care all right what about you no

Brian Atlasnot my typ Henry caval bro these girls are so okay all right he seems really genuine and I like

Rosehow he carries himself so yeah plus he Superman um yeah for sure if you were single if I was single he's I mean on

Brian Atlasthe look scale he's not really my type so um yeah if I was single yeah he seems pretty cool not people okay all right all right okay

Brian Atlasokay uh the other question I was going to go back to you a lot of you guys said PR right and I'm kind of confused by that one thing that's occurred to me is going around the

Isabellatable uh do you like tall men are you attracted to tall men honestly I don't really have a preference like if they're above like 5'

Isabella6 5' 6 and above which 5' 6 is pretty short for a man and I don't really have an issue you're currently dating a guy

Brian Atlascorrect yeah how tall is he I think he's like 510 Maybe 11 like okay what about what about the guy who you can't really comment on how tall was

Brian Atlashe I think six feet any other boyfriends you said you you dated a guy for 11 months was that the guy no how tall was your 11mon

Brian Atlasboyfriend like six feet but like I didn't like these people it's interesting that well you say you would date a guy who's but all the men you've been in relationships with you said well

Brian Atlastwo of them have been 6 how many boyfriends have you had I guess four okay one was 5'9 so okay but do you like tall men do you

Isabellafind tall men attractive well like I'm already pretty short so if they're taller than me I'm like 53 52 okay mhm

Sophiayes you like tall men mhm yes I hav't dated all all Heights so sure how tall are you I'm 58 you're 5 ft 5'8 oh 5'8

Brian Atlasyes he's just asking what the preference is though like so you date a guy who's shorter than you I I have and I dated same height and I've dated taller you

Sophiadon't have any like leaning towards men who are tall now I I would wouldn't mind if they're a little taller than me that would be my she wouldn't mind have you ever been on do you have dating apps or

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)have you ever been on a dating app of course did you ever filter by height no on any of the okay feel like a lot a lot of cap but okay what about you um it's not a deal

Rosebreaker height but absolutely I find tallness attracting what about you 100% And I I don't think I could date someone shorter than me my husband's 6'4 so and how tall are you 510 what about you uh

Brian Atlasyeah prefer taller prefer taller okay so I mean using your guys's logic when it comes to the whole predatory thing women who are attracted to tall

Brian Atlasmen so okay you comparing men wanting to date younger keyword adult women keyword adult women I think is as crazy as me saying women who want to date taller men

Brian Atlasare incop files are what in you're in here's why you have some weird incestuous Fe

Brian Atlasfetishization of your fathers because you want to look up to a tall man and say take care of me tall man protect me tall man you are incestuous and

Brian Atlaspredatory for seeking out tall men to satisfy your perverse incestuous fantasies on you short I'm short I'm taller than my dad so much if your dad

Brian Atlasis short no but but it's almost shorter than your daughter but it's almost like this like uh you got

Brian Atlasme but I I mean I did like the diet TR I thought the diet it was good it was good right no but it's like the what they really want to say is men are

Brian AtlasPWS for being attracted to adult women who are young that's what they really want to say they want to say that men are are pews don't put words in our

Brian Atlasmouth well predatory I mean you're one step away from basically calling men who are attracted to 18 19 20 21 year old women it's schinger it's schinger feminist what's referred to as

MesaSchrodinger's feminist which is ah I'm A Boss awesome kickass 18y vote I'm going to take on the world I can vote I can do all this but then it the everything except of course D an older

Mesaman right I don't have because that's predatory and they have way too much more experience and just I poor me they they can just take advantage of me honestly the woman is at a huge

Hollydisadvantage in age Gap relationships I'm going to be honest yes should 18-year-old women be CEOs a huge disadvantage yeah should 18-year-old women be CEOs H I don't think maybe

Hollyshould they can be but there's a lot of life experience why shouldn't they be anyways why no why shouldn't they be CEOs there's nothing wrong with an 18-year-old woman being a CEO depends how big the company is there's nothing

Mesawrong with an 18-year-old woman being a CEO she's an Nas kicking boss chick at 18 right she can do all that can an 18-year-old CEO date a 50-year-old dude is that okay that's not no honestly liter it's not okay like you don't

Hollyunderstand like the man has like she can be in charge of a whole Corporation no but he has years of she could fire a 50-year-old but can't you you don't know his dating history you don't know what what what he does to woman like like he

Brian Atlasjust he just had so much life experience to run game on woman you're putting yourself at risk I got a question let's say there's a 35-year-old man who's a virgin and he doesn't have a lot of

Brian Atlasexperience and there's a 19-year-old woman who's a stripper who's

Brian Atlashad sex with 20 men she's dated a bunch of men had sex with 20 men um who has the the greater relational relationship

Brian Atlasexperience in that situationship I would argue the woman that the 19-year-old woman is going to run circles around that 35-year-old

Mesaguy yeah so is she a predator is she is that predatory no what I'm talking that hang on that's literally the same thing just in Reverse

Hollywhat would make her not the when I say predatory for the age Gap thing cuz like I said I I prefer older men I'm talking about guys that are like near like ger what you call geriatric like they need like they have arthritis and like a

Mesayoung woman like that's just weird like but but yeah but that doesn't make any sense also when you say what makes that person a predator because they have arthritis like what the are you

Hollytalking about no like I'm talking about a man who has like kids the same age as the girl that he's dating yeah what would make that predatory so you BAS Al you're saying you're comfortable I didn't say anything I asked you what

Hollymakes it predatory predatory because inherently that guy is a danger because he would sleep with girls that are the same age as his daughter why would that make him a danger okay now you just ask him a silly question that's not a silly

Mesaquestion you say you say this is predatory I say okay great what makes it predatory they have arthritis okay wait what no okay that's not what I meant I meant that it's predatory to date a woman who could be the same age as your

Mesadaughter okay why is that predatory I don't know no they're not silly questions like why what makes them a predator so are you looking at your daughter that way no what makes it predatory it makes it predatory because

Hollynow if you out here sleeping with if your daughter's 19 genius level by the way 19yearold girls and your daughter wants to have a sleepover with the girls at your house at her the dad's house the girls the girls can't come because

Mesayou're a predator you're looking at young woman so wait let me get this right if your adult daughter were to bring other adult women over to your house 19y olds you mean

Mesaadults that ain't no real adult it's not a real adult now now when you were 19 didn't you date older men no I I just really started when I was 21 oh the difference between 19 and 21 is night

Roseand day I mean that is the you what from your teenage years to your adult years is like the most uh rapid progression of

Mesaa maturity other than 19 years old is the end of being teenager one and two if that's the case then why are we considering teenagers at the late years to be adults I just think that a guy

Mesashould not be dating a a woman that is a young woman that's the same as his daughter know we know you think that that's bad we know you think that that's wrong we want to know why you think it's predatory and so far what we've gotten

Hollyis nothing okay no just tell us why it's predatory I literally explained like if you can be comfortable with sleeping with a young woman that's the same age as your daughter there's an issue issue

Mesawith you mentally what makes you a predator that is a someone take the mic I don't know I I can't can anybody answer what would make you a predator just like just just making the statement

Brian Atlasjust making the assertion it does doesn't tell us anything and also you're you're 22 and you're dating a 36-year-old yeah but like but if he was

Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next