Andrew Wilson! DUMPED Because She Did OF?! Men Making $50,000 Should NOT Date?! | Dating Talk #136

Date: 2024-02-19

Duration: 6h 59m

Guests

Brian Atlas

IIsabella (DT136)>

HHolly (DT136)>

SSophia (DT136)>

LLizzy (DT136)>

AAndrew Wilson >

UUnnamed (Algerian-Canadian, DT136)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_02Sophia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Isabella(guest)

SPEAKER_04Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Mesa(guest)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_07Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_08Rose(guest)

SPEAKER_09Dez(guest)

SPEAKER_12Holly(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteBrian declares war on talking in saunas

“if I was married to a woman for 10 years and we get into the SAA and she starts talking to me in the public SAA divorce”

QuoteLizzy discloses body count of 100+

“I unfortunately have a very high body count and a lot of that happened in my 20s because I slept with a lot of gorgeous men admittedly um but they didn't want to wife me or girlfriend me”

QuoteLizzy at 35, unmarried and surprised

“I think that now at 35 and unmarried I I did not see that coming”

QuoteLizzy confirms body count 'over 100'

“in the notes over 100 yeah so you know I I I have yeah I'll just say over 100”

QuoteHolly: 'my money is my money and his money is our money'

“my money is my money and his money is our money”

QuoteHolly says she has no exes (disassociates from past relationships)

“I don't have exes um and I would say unavailable”

QuoteSophia describes polyamorous relationship

“it was with two hetero guys um and one girl... we were all still friends we care about each other a lot”

QuoteAndrew Wilson states women have very low functional intelligence

“I think they have very low functional intelligence generally it's just me though”

QuoteDez's current sugar daddy tipped $1200

“the other night was like 1 12200 which was cool”

QuoteDez describes feeder sugar daddy arrangement

“he would give me money but have me send him videos of me like eating and like looking like overweight and stuff cuz he got off on that”

QuoteDez says 'all gas no brakes' about gasoline incident

“everybody else needs gas everybody else needs gas all gas no breaks”

QuoteDez describes throwing gasoline on ex-boyfriend's car

“I saw another girl in the back of his car and I got mad and I this gas tank was in my way and it spilled on me and I got pissed and I just started throwing the gas all over his car and the people in it”

Topics Discussed

Introductions

Guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Then go around on relationship status.

Sauna Etiquette Tangent

Brian goes on an extended rant about talking in public saunas being rude. Isabella mentions she met her boyfriend in a gym sauna. Chat votes: talking in sauna is rude.

Sean Evans / Melissa Stratton Breakup Reaction

Panel reacts to Hot Ones host Sean Evans breaking up with porn star Melissa Stratton on Valentine's Day. Discussion of whether he was wrong, Adam 22's Twitter trolling, and whether men should date sex workers.

Men Making $50,000 Should Not Date (Video Reaction)

Panel reacts to viral video of a woman saying men making $50k/year should not date. Discussion of income thresholds for dating, cost of living in California, what women contribute, 50/50 in relationships. Lizzy defends blue-collar men.

Princess/Queen Treatment & Men Providing

Discussion of what 'princess treatment' means, Holly's expectation of $5-10k/month in lifestyle spending, women dating up vs. men committing, women's inability to 'go back' after dating high-value men.

Cheating, High-Value Men, and Open Relationships

Whether high-value men are allowed to cheat. SPEAKER_07 (Lizzy) shares experience of sleeping with attractive men who wouldn't commit. Discussion of men's vs. women's attachment during sex.

Lizzy's Past Choices and Body Count Disclosure

Lizzy (35) discloses body count of 100+, discusses poor choices in youth including cheating at 19 and 21, change of heart at 28, and current regret at being 35 and unmarried.

50/50 in Relationships

Panel discussion on whether relationships should be 50/50 financially. Isabella describes her 75/25 dynamic with new boyfriend. Most women prefer men to pay more.

5050 Finance Debate & Dating Cost Context

Extended discussion on 50/50 vs. traditional financial roles; California cost of living context.

Body Count Discussion

Extended debate on whether body count matters, men's right to care about it, double standards, and whether high body count women are promiscuous by choice. Body count round: Isabella declined, Dez 15-20, Holly declined, 'zero waiting for marriage' (unidentified).

Same-Sex Activity Discussion

Panel unanimously says they would not date a man who has been in a same-sex relationship. Andrew Wilson raises the double standard on women's same-sex activity.

Sophia's Divisive Show Critique

Sophia (SPEAKER_02) challenges Brian on the show being divisive and adversarial. Brian and Andrew Wilson defend the debate format. Discussion of open-mindedness and consistency.

Sophia's Polyamory Story

Sophia shares her brief polyamorous relationship (2 men, 1 other woman). Concluded monogamy works better for her.

Sophia's Plane to France Story

Sophia met a stranger on a plane to France; they talked the whole flight, kissed, and explored Paris together for a romantic day.

Age Gap Relationships

Discussion of what age gaps are appropriate. Holly (22) is dating a man ~14 years older (~36). Panel debates predatory vs. normal age gaps. Holly says she couldn't date someone her own age.

Makeup as Misrepresentation Debate

Brian's position that makeup is a lie; debate on whether it misrepresents women similarly to men lying about height. Isabella discusses how severe acne affected her views.

Dez: Sugar Daddy with Feeder/Weight Fetish

Dez describes a sugar daddy who paid her to gain weight and send eating videos; also paid for heel-choke sessions. She received ~$2k/month + bonuses for weight milestones.

Holly's Twitter Rants

Brian pulls up Holly's Twitter: 'all men are liars,' birthday promises not kept, Valentine's Day men not celebrating rant. Holly explains context for each.

Dez: OnlyFans, Stripping, and Dating Sex Workers

Extended discussion of Dez's OnlyFans content and stripping career. Whether men are insecure or principled for not dating sex workers. Dez's feeder sugar daddy story. Stripper tales (nipple-rubbing VIP).

Dez: Toxic Relationship and Gas-Throwing Incident

Dez describes throwing gasoline on her ex-boyfriend's car after seeing another girl in it. Nearly lit the car on fire. Attributes incident to being bipolar and intoxicated.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasup it's like I don't know I it's abrupt you said you consider yourself a small wealth of relation relationship advice I'm just asking what your top three dating in my life um I've already

Rosementioned number one what was number one get to know yourself oh okay yeah number two would be you know get involved in in activities that you actually enjoy and

Rosethat's the best way I think you can meet somebody okay um and yeah just actually present who you are and be yourself you know what I mean so be yourself don't waste time trying to project an

Roseimage um that's something in the past that I think that I I fell into you know what I mean trying to like project this image of of uh on like on Instagram I think I got

Rosecaught into the Trap that you can with Instagram of this Distortion of reality and you know getting caught into presenting an image and like a brand I

Brian Atlasguess you could say people talk about that um how does one be themselves what does it what does it mean to be

Roseyourself like be authentic be genuine yeah instead of projecting an image you know projecting what you think will appeal to other people you should

Roseactually be in touch with your own feelings and just you know be real with people so practically speaking though if I were to just go up to a guy or a woman who's struggling with dating and I tell them

Roseto be yourself I wouldn't just say be yourself yeah that's that's not what I said so no that well that is what what you

Rosesaid you said some people should be themselves I said people should be in touch I'm not going to repeat myself well yeah you there was extra no you that's not do anyone else have any thoughts on this or I mean what do you

Sophiamean having thoughts on I'm just curious to hear other people's thoughts so you mature as you grow older you're going to find different things in your personality your values how you align with them as you

Sophiagrow what are your thoughts what do you mean what are my thoughts you're smirking so act like this is all a joke she's trying to bring something genuine to you and your table and it does take a

Sophiawhile are you saying you've never made mistakes you've not learned from that have kind of shaped your experience and maybe how you interact with the world and your values that you just don't know

Mesawhat be yourself means that's the that's the hangup so it's a generalized phrase for who you are well I mean stward saying the words are straightforward but giving us the meaning not so

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)straightforward well I think an example like you um mentioned like not putting out like this appearance of what you think will appeal to others um one example of how you could do that practically is like how you dress a lot

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)of people um are afraid to dress in the style that they actually want to because they're afraid of being judged by others um and I've seen especially lately a lot of people Embrace dressing in the style that they actually want to dress and

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)clothing does say a lot about who you are um and what kind of person you are so I think that if you can kind of let go of the fear of oh people are going to make fun of what I'm wearing or whatever like so I have a question I've I've been

Brian Atlasroasted for this I've people have questioned my fashion choice so if I I feel like dressing comfortably so on the first date I just want to wear some

Brian Atlasblack sweat my my patined P oh my God Jes sorry guys I just want to wear my Puma sweatpants my black Puma sweatpants

Roseand a t-shirt first date that's fine that's fine but but obviously that's not what I'm saying I mean you you should yeah I don't think that's what you're

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)saying okay I think I think the be yourself thing and being confident is like being able to show up in those Puma sweats and the T-shirt um at the I do and that's fine you're free to do that

Unnamed (Algerian-Canadian)and then being able to I will dress comfortably being able to be okay with the outcome maybe that maybe the person you're going to date with isn't going to really like it that's really important to me important to you then you 100% should do that so when it comes to the being yourself thing though like do you

Mesathink so you think people should be genuine so Brian comes over to your house like I know it's crazy people should be he like knocks on your door and he's like Miss relationship expert I'm about to go on the biggest date I really I like really want this to go well and you're going to be like yeah

Brian Atlasjust put on your sweats and your pirt it works Andrew it works I've rocked some days I'm sad that that's what you got out of it but well okay hold on I'll bring it back so you say

Brian Atlaspeople should be themselves should be genuine you're I think you're right and if I can call back to a moment earlier in this podcast I agree women should stop

Brian Atlaswearing makeup get no more plastic surgery start being genuine stop wearing makeup stop with the face filters stop

Brian Atlaswith the Photoshop no bbls no fake titties no l lip filler Fair totally yeah just be

Brian Atlasyourself ladies except let's move forward with this movement that makeup is that makeup oh keep the makeup I think women should be their genuine self and just be yourself stop

Isabellawearing makeup guys why would you compare like your physical appearance to your it's part of your genuine self whatever the hell that means your physical appear

Brian Atlasokay do you think I would argue for both men and women but do you think men care about a woman's physical appearance yes of course yes okay so

Brian Atlasif a major attraction trigger for men is a woman's physical appearance isn't it don't you think if you're playing

Brian Atlaswith someone in that way by deceiving on the looks front that you're almost baiting them in some way deceptively romantically wa we're talking about

Brian Atlasmakeup again yeah she she brought it back it wasn't me it was definitely her it definitely Isabella no but you said well what does wearing makeup have to do with being genuine and

Brian Atlasbeing yourself well I would argue since look I'll just take the position and I think women actually care far more about looks than men do that let's just say men are these

Brian Atlaslike superficial shallow beings that just they really care way too much about physical appearance

Brian Atlaswell women are basically pulling on men on on that like attraction trigger in men in order to bait them into

Isabellarelationships in order to bait them into dating by changing your physical appearance through a facade through a

Isabellaveneer yeah but if a man if as a man you found it to be so deceitful that this woman you met wore makeup and you finally see her without makeup why

Isabellawouldn't you just break up with her after seeing her without makeup if it's that big of a deal for you and you find it that deceitful well I okay entering into a

Brian Atlasrelationship I prefer women who wear minimal or no makeup so I would not if a woman was like constantly caking out on a face of makeup that's not the type of woman I'm pursuing well that's your

Brian Atlaspreference yeah okay but as if we're having a conversation about the degree to which makeup can be deceptive and not be an accurate representation of what

Brian Atlasyou actually look like here's the argument if makeup didn't actually change what you look like why would you wear it so your your argument is

Brian Atlasessentially well makeup has absolutely zero impact on my attractiveness and how I look yet I spend money and waste time putting it on to not make any impact on

Brian Atlasmy physical appearance I didn't say that now you're putting words in my mouth my I was just asking are you are you coming back or yeah I'm oh okay okay

Brian Atlasokay thought that might have been a rage quit I don't know um I wish okay all right yeah I was just asking you H tough

Isabellacrowd tonight e go ahead ask me ask me what were you asking well what you said was not what I said what I was saying is if you know make makeup is such a deceitful thing to you yeah then

Isabellawouldn't you just break up with them right after seeing them without makeup like if I've already told you though I prefer to date women who wear minim or make said like sometimes you can't tell

Brian Atlasif they're wearing makeup or not yeah sometimes you can't but yeah I mean I'd like to think I mean that was more of a general

Brian Atlasstatement I think I have a fairly attuned sense of if a woman is wearing makeup or not

Isabellaokay just at least to me like let's say a man is wearing lifts in his shoes he's like being deceitful in a physical way he's

Isabellachanging one of his physical attributes yeah and then I see him and he's 3 in shorter it's not going to make as big of an impact to me as if he was deceiving

Isabellame in a non-physical way like if he lied to me about his job or his like upbringing or his values or things like that those are things that I find more important than how they look physically

Isabellaso if they're like lying to me about things that they value in life and just so we can like be together and then turns out those aren't true then it's like I feel like that's

Mesaso it's wrong to dece I understand but just making just making a value judgment there of saying look both of these are bad but this one just me for my own preference

Mesait I have less of a problem with it than this other preference right so you're just saying both are bad but this one bothers me less than this one I don't think wearing lifts in your

Mesashoes is bad what if it was the first time that you met him and then he took off then he took wouldn't care would care what if it shrunk him down to like shorter than you

Brian Atlasyou wouldn't be for it these other girls here let me give a different example what about a guy who wore toay I would argue most women especially you know maybe older

Brian Atlaswomen are a little more forgiving on this front most women for men with a full head of hair who are not balding yes I think a lot of women would let's

Brian Atlassay that tupe is really convincing in his photos and even in person but you find out that it's not real would you feel like do maybe I should have asked

Brian Atlasthis before I went would you feel deceived do you have a preference for do you have a hair preference at all when it comes to men do you bald men men who are balding Larry David versus like Giga Chad full head of hair anything not no

Brian Atlasnot really I mean usually if they're balding they're you do you concede that most women prefer men with a full head of hair they find it more attractive there's a lot of sexy B the difference

Isabellaokay but the difference is if the woman is wearing makeup like you can see the makeup you'll probably see you can see the toupe well yeah but you said it's so convincing that it looks real and you can't tell okay that's what you just

Isabellasaid what if you could tell that he's wearing a toupe then I'd probably ask to see what he looks like without it why why just out of curiosity oh out of curiosity like you'd probably like if a girl was wearing makeup you'd probably wonder like I wonder what she looks like

Brian Atlaswithout the makeup then you'd end up seeing that's the point do you think a lot of women might think well is this man insecure why is he wearing a toue I mean I would understand

Isabellalike if I would probably do the same if I was going bald like I don't don't see what the issue is and it's like if they're going to be wearing the toupe all the time anyways

Brian Atlasokay so how about this in public in public he wears the toue but when you're getting intimate he doesn't wear the toue and you got a Larry David looking

Hollybut bald men can be sexy I know a lot of sexy bald men well yeah you like them [Laughter]

Holly90 she likes them 90 year olds no uh they just rock it like it's like they know that's their predicament right some men can rock the bald look but most

Brian Atlaswomen most women prefer men with a full head of hair I've never really like given it that much thought I've never like gone out and saw and be like I need a man with a full head of hair okay you guys can talk about anecdotes and like

Brian Atlaspersonal exceptions if he's super attractive but like for the average gu it's just nothing bothers you whatever type of guy short big

Brian Atlashere's the reality most women are attracted to tall men most women are attracted to men with a full head of hair it is what it is how about this question if Henry

Brian Atlascaval became bald from a disease would he be cuter then he is now look and they've done studies on this they've they've asked women to rate the

Brian Atlasattractiveness of various men some of the men are uh partially balding some of them are fully bald some of them shave and and some of them have like luscious flow they got the flow they got a full

Hollyhead of hair the women find the men with full heads of hair more attractive that's probably true I'm just saying baldness is not equal ugliness of course not preach but

Brian Atlaslike a lot of women would are you contesting that a lot of women might feel deceived about a guy who wore to pay in his dating app photos yeah for sure and then maybe on the date he shows

Brian Atlasup in the hat and then Midway through the date he takes the hat off oh you're bald didn't know I would have liked to have known maybe I've had a few experiences seeing a guy take up a hat

Brian Atlaslike why I didn't know you were bald not as bad as a shot okay all right um okay here where are we um I I've lost

Brian Atlason the T pay talk oh speaking of which Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 we're getting into this way too late but okay going around the table

Isabellastarting with you go ahead I don't agree with raiding yourself because I think it's Isabella what are you doing here okay go ahead I think it's extremely

Isabellasubjective I think you shouldn't devalue yourself to a number okay and it could change at any time like really based on how you're feeling like you could wake up one day maybe you're super sick or

Isabellayou're feeling down and you could see yourself in a more negative light than if you're super like up and confident and a positive are you super ident

Isabellaconfident and positive today I'm pretty neutral today but like I'm not going to I'm not going to give myself a number if you were to engage you know

Brian Atlasjust as a thought experiment with stiffler's question here if you had to you know you know anything no

Brian Atlaswhat okay what if I hold on I'll come back to you what about you like a

Holly6.5 7.58 on a good day five two a come on I S go ahead that's not of my

Mesabusiness seven well no no no no no no hold on what do you mean it's none of your business how could I objectively rate myself that's not it's subject you would subjectively rate yourself it's

Brian Atlasnot an objective woman so for myself but it's you're rating your own looks on a scale of 1 to 10 you you

Rosesix why don't you tell us why you object to the question because it's not of my business I said it's none of your like how I'm not going to rate like how am I going to

Rosebe objectively rating myself yeah it's not my business it's somebody else business if they find me attractive or not oh I see what you're saying you're saying that only another person could rate you well yeah oh because it's a

Mesasubjective metric but then isn't it a subjective metric from them rating you yeah so then it's just as arbitrary as what you'd rate yourself so what do you rate yourself well I I said six oh okay Oh I

Brian Atlasthought that was like a passive aggressive okay fine I'll give myself a six okay did you answer go ahead uh me yeah yeah I said

Brian Atlasseven Andrew uh three four okay give myself a five five Isabella you want to give it another crack here or do you want to be

Isabelladifficult I mean I don't have a number and I honestly think everyone here is being pretty modest because they probably don't want to come off as conceited by giving themselves a high number but I feel as though has anybody

Brian Atlashere def you know deflated their answer any of you I'm a 10 oh

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)okay I'll admit it true um I did slightly because I personally I think I

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)have a pretty face and my butt's pretty good but um I have to con consider where I am on the dating Market given the podcast so I'm being realistic I

Isabellabelieve do you want to continue Isabella well first of all I don't like all your self-deprecation that you have been saying throughout this podcast I think you're beautiful you shouldn't say these

Isabellanegative things about yourself or think these things about yourself or think of yourself in a way how like of how you're marketable to men in dating because I think that doesn't matter at the end of the day all that matters is how you feel about yourself and your own confidence

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)well I I am a confident actually it kind of does matter yeah if you're wanting to have a partner then yeah it do she has a part right you oh yes I do and I think part of that was I was honest with

Mesamyself like no no just be delusional I love you need to be you need to be delusional she loves delusional I love delusion and also just love yourself and be delusional I do

Brian Atlaslove myself I think I'm a say it one more time for the camera I love delusion she loves delusion okay here let me let me try to okay Isabelle one of the many

Brian Atlasways we evaluate potential Partners is um it's by their physical attractiveness right so how do you think that the broader dating Marketplace

Isabellawould rate your physical attractiveness on a scale of to 10A that's very subjective like how am I supposed to know like someone could think I'm a one and someone could think I'm like an 11

Brian Atlaslike well this is this is why we have this is why we have numbers and statistics so if if a thousand or 10,000 or 100,000 people were to rate you we

Brian Atlascould arrive at a mean we could arrive at a median we could arrive at an average what do you think if 10,000 people raided you what the average I literally I couldn't tell you like I have no idea I don't know where I if you

Brian Atlaswere to guess do you think you're I don't even have an educated you want to just say you're 10 say she's said 10 objectively 10 being like the highest

Isabellayou look like 100% perfect no flaws like whatever whatever that's still subjective I would still say no but I like someone else could think that or

Isabellasomeone else could think that it'd be crazy to think that like how am I supposed to know you're not supposed to know like I don't ask I don't go around asking people like oh what can you rap me from a scale from 1 to 10 like why would I do that yeah you don't need to

Mesado that that's not really the point of the question is okay um you would agree with me for instance that there's ugly

Mesadogs right like really ugly dogs and then there's really cute fluffy dogs right I've never seen an ugly dog never

IsabellaI I love all dogs even the hairless chines is there any animal you think is

Isabellaugly any um hairless cats no they're so cute those are adorable I don't know I not

Isabellareally nothing I don't think so I mean is a turkey vulture a good-looking

Mesaanimal would you say it's cute yeah yeah a turkey vulture like it's cute in its own

Mesaway I don't see I mean it's a subjective metric you know who could know who could ever know yeah it's all it's a subjective metric the whole point of the subjective

Mesametric though is just to kind of get a gain on if what you think about you reflects morality were you being legit you said three or four for yourself yeah that was your serious yeah that's my

Isabellaserious answer for me you're saying it's a test on someone's delusion like whether with reality just see if they're in touch with objective reality or not but it is subjective right of course subjective so how can you be in touch

Mesawith subjective reality everybody's reality everybody has their own subjective reality sasm is so great right except you probably utilize what's called a correspondent theory of Truth

Mesawhich is that things that you consider true are things which correspond with objective reality would that be what you consider truth to be what the hell are you you talking about I know you don't

Mesaget it right it's like weird it's like so you all reality is subjective no I never said that okay great so is there some is any beauty standard objective or

Isabellais it all subjective subjective it's all subjective all of it subjective is that an objective statement too or late for this it just depends it just depends on if it's

Mesasubjective or subjective in different cultures like different it's physical features are okay is it is it objective like obesity

Mesacan we give an objective marker to what makes a person obese yes really or is it subjective I mean there's a scale yeah and the scale just subjective well it's

Mesanot like there's just one set number of like this is my point right it's like it's like we can play with words if you want but the thing is is uh I think that even from a subjective standpoint

Mesathere's going to be some things which correspond with reality like I would say for instance a person who had fourth degree burns all over their face probably wouldn't be that high on the

Mesaattractiveness scale probably that would probably correspond with reality right so is it's a subjective is there one unicorn out there is like oh he's gorgeous maybe but it generally doesn't

Mesacorrespond with reality so that's what Brian's saying that's why he asked the question it makes sense okay it's beautiful it's a

Brian Atlasconversation all right okay all right good times well the answer there's no tens at the table so what's the answer from the subjective standpoint I don't have an answer you don't even have a

Isabellasubjective one talk no no okay that's good there's no 10 at least there's no tens at the table has that ever happen why can't everyone be a

Isabella10 well they can it's all subjective yeah if you believe you're you can be a 10 if you believe you know it only goes up to 10 and I'm a 20 you if you yeah cuz nothing means think and like

Isabellagood for you like you can think that if everybody's a 10 then nobody's a 10 yeah technically yeah so then why does the number even matter that's what I was trying to say in the first place like it

Isabellawhy would you like like put yourself in a number category how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this

Isabellamorning how would you feel how you would feel hungry okay I wake up starving every morning what's that I wake up like starving every morning like I'm super I

Brian Atlaswas just curious you know there's resources for that no I W that joke totally fell flat God okay tough tough CR T

Brian Atlasthat e it's rough yeah tough crowd all right all right okay couple more couple more notes Here uh okay

Brian Atlasuh nope she's not here we hit going back to Angelica Rose from Scranton Pennsylvania I definitely do have some hot takes that pop up in these

Rosetypes of discussions hot takes I feel like there needs to be a

Brian Atlasdiscussion happening but oh okay all right moving on then um that's a hot take

Brian Atlaslet's see all right nothing she wasn't here we've hit oh last but not least actually wait we still have to do Haley tweets then we have Dez

Brian Atlashere I hello sorry um go ahead pull it up Nick what did I say all men are wait wait hold on I want you to say this can you

Brian Atlassay this in your voice in my voice yeah read it for us wa all men are Liv and I stand on that yeah that's that's a really as a man that's very offensive well see I

Hollydon't you really don't take my Twitter seriously like this is this is my safe space where I go to vent about people like nobody knows about this you post on Twitter I do and now people are going to

Hollygo scroll and like now I actually like be like really specific so I may get in trouble but yeah I was really mad that day I feel like all of Twitter is just a giant post it's a huge post

Brian Atlasall men are liars though do you got you maybe a little sexist just a little no I was kind of coming from the point that

Hollylike I I just feel like all men just pretend all of them all that's how you felt or how you feel I still kind of feel that way do you feel that way

Brian AtlasIsabella no no I think Li all liars are liars regardless of your gender that was an astute observation thank you all

Brian Atlasliars are liars yeah whether you're a man liar all dogs are dogs cats are cats that was August 20 I'm trying to figure out what I was going put that on the motivational poster can we get can we

Isabellaget some merch all liars second law of logic by is yeah but like I all things are that which they are it doesn't really matter what your gender is you could be like wait where did the how did

Isabellagender get introduced to speaking but I don't know what made me angry to say that I'm like trying to think speaking of genders what is a woman starting with Isabella are we talking

Isabellaabout the sex or the gender because a woman if you're talking about the sex is someone with 2x chromosomes mhm really yeah but what is a woman what

Isabellaabout women have XY chromosome well their sex as they were born would be yeah there's who have sex their gender can change yeah I'm talking

Mesaabout females have an XY chromosome or males who have an XX chromosome or xxy like it's like a like a birth defect or like yeah you can have you can have

Brian Atlasthose conditions yeah yeah those conditions can I mean they're pretty rare by the way guys it's raining we don't know if the PO is going to go out we don't know yeah I'm just I'm just giving you

Dezgrief on the sex gender thing that's all what is a woman going around the table what is a woman yes a woman is a woman

Dezwe have a uterus and we can make babies and yeah okay what about you biologically or like what is a real

Mesawoman no what is a woman yeah female XY Chone oh okay someone who can that would be XX by the

Mesaway oh X misspoke misspoke uh a biological female

(background)adult human female I was going to say exactly the same thing adult human female okay good we got more tweets let's get through the tweets then we got

Hollyto get to Dez go ahead my God oh my oh wait this is uh okay can you read it and I'm supposed to settle for a man that can't even buy me

Hollyflowers scroll down okay we all now wow is that a Mercedes mayback yeah but see that age poorly because that's like Diddy's like ex like girl and if we all know what happened to that oh Trac Tracy on tilt

Andrew Wilsondonated $200 PPA who say that all men are Liars have gone through many men and hence make that conclusion instead of reflecting inside themselves and seeing what they are doing wrong too scared to

Hollyface the truth you want to respond to that baby I tweeted that like in my college class like in a morning like I don't know what I was going through but like I it wasn't because of that reason she had drank too many white claws

Hollysomeone like just pissed me off that's all too many o yeah but she said you stood by it now like to a certain extent but not to that level of anger I was at to go tweet that what's the certain

Hollyextent the certain extent is I just feel like all men pretend yeah but what does that mean they pretend what they they just like pretend I feel like they have like a longevity right it's like some could last I don't know what the hell

Hollyyou're talking about some could last for 3 months some can last for 6 months but that re person always comes out and it's usually pretty ugly that's a big generalization you mean you're saying

Mesathey're hiding their true selves yes like you're meeting a their diplomatic representative yes that's all women you think so yeah yep I've never met I've never met a

Brian Atlaswoman yet ever in my life where I Andrew Angelica over here will not stand for your sexist statements Andrew I know I'm sorry Terri Angelica instead of instead

Brian Atlasof uh what's the term for what you just uh instead of uh sigh sighing but she wants you to know her displeasure Brian I'd like to hear I'm

Brian Atlasreally tired this is usually when I go to bed like before this yeah it's getting getting old I mean if you want you can just leave you know we'll we'll continue the show without you if you if you want I mean

Brian Atlasthat would probably help you right what do you mean help me I'm not trying to bait a clip here but if you're it's getting old there is the door forgive me for

Rosesighing I didn't have issue with with you sighing but I mean you went went you felt like it was necessary that's the most entertaining thing happening here

Brian Atlasright now what you me saying you can leave is in response to you saying this is getting old it not in response to you sighing if

Andrew Wilsonit's late you're tired if it's getting old you're welcome to leave filt donated $200 exactly it's because you can't see their red flags from their beginning hence you're making wrong decisions to

Andrew Wilsonbegin with if you worked on yourself you would see it from the get-go you're right I'm really delusional so maybe that should help

Sophiame any that's a good statement for everyone I meann to see that I need to work on that all right let's get through the tweets next one is your 50-year-old

Hollyboyfriend going to I don't have a 50-year-old boyfriend oh read it nothing gives me a bigger ick than a man asking me to send pictures of myself oh my God I hate this

Hollyso much so there's two things firstly a man that be asking like send me a selfie or like if I don't know you like why are you asking to see pictures of me like what or the worst is if I'm saving to go

Hollyget my nails done and they asked me to show me the color in my hands like babe hang it up yeah that's all is there another

Brian Atlasone oh this was recent yeah this is recent oh oh it was two years ago male men are liars go ahead you can read it as I closed this 21st year of life I

Hollycannot stress enough that met liars and always have your own back see I guess um two months ago three months ago I was just like really upset because like a lot of people were like saying they was going to do stuff for my

Brian Atlasbirthday and they didn't come and like well go into specifics on that a lot of people were going to do things for your birthday or a specific person was going to do things a lot of people said they were going to do stuff for my birthday what were they going to do for your birthday what happened like they

Hollywere just making false promises they were just like oh let me and just stuff cuz like I had like a speech who who Isabella why you

Hollylaughing I don't want to get in trouble no it's not for any particular reason this whole conversation it's like okay so I had planned like a ski trip to um

Hollyfor my birthday and like someone just like randomly was like oh I have the accommodations not that I needed the accommodations but then when it came time to pay for the accommodations they

Hollywent ghost and I'm like that's son of a like why would you say that that's weird or like I was waiting someone like said they were going to get me like like

Hollyhelp me out with like the actual dinner party booking and then they went ghost and I'm like now I have to do everything my myself truly monsters truly monsters

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)it's my birthday like it's not a regular day yeah they just wow so because those men are liars my father's a liar and my

Mesali this is my Twitter no baby if it's all men then you know this is my this is my diary I cannot believe that those men on your birthday did not pay for your res

Hollyno it's because they said they were going to do something don't say you're going to do something you be be it cuz I would handle it myself and now I have my faith in you who are these

Brian Atlasmen never mind Rand oh okay here we go now we're getting somewhere okay I it's too much talking too much talking too much talking I'm we have you ever been

Hollyon a sugar website no I just get I just really I have really nice friends in my life you know friends mhm how

Hollyyou pay for your Taho trip tole you ski trips was I paid for it myself but like I'm saying they just randomly said oh let me know where you're staying and how

Hollymuch it's going to be and then I was like okay this is the reservation crickets okay all right let's get through the tweets what else we

Andrew Wilsongot there's more there's more reason whoa 1,000 why I dislike Tracy on tilt donated

Andrew Wilson$200 life advice for the girl in blue read the book parenting from the inside out if you want to stop meeting all men who are liars knowledge is power girl

Mesanot trolling on Twitter ranting about men thanks I'll take your advice you sound like a really good person thank you Tracy on tilt I mean

HollyTracy does sound like a good person thank you okay uh so the reason say I don't even know what this is reason a thousand why I dislike

Hollymen as long as she takes so you don't like men oh I but I didn't know I had so much anti-men stuff on Twitter um that one I the one I I dislike that one because he said that guy was saying that

Mesahe was going to make his girlfriend save up for her portion of the trip and I the vacation so that's why you and yet another monster in a Sea of Monsters what a Monster yeah that is a monster e so many

HollyPsychopaths he's going to make her save up and pay for her own trip like no because he already had the money for the trip and now you're watching her suffer like that's not a real man don't do that terrible ter terrible okay next is there

(background)another tweet or just God I'm so sorry read it read it read

Brian Atlasit Flo Milly makes me want to Rob so in this tweet you admitting to want

Brian Atlasto uh commit a felony against men um and you guys are chuckling about it that's really sexist of you guys I

Brian Atlasthink especially you Isabella how if I was like yeah I want to I I want to Rob women well I wouldn't take you seriously like I know her so I know she's not being you think I wouldn't do it but she

(background)has this she has this one song about like Robie like these guy for their weed and like kicking them out the house and like me and my girls love that song and I was like yeah that's the vibe and this

Brian Atlasis uh the kind of the culture uh you know the the music that people are listening to where it's glorifying uh robbery felonious activity I would never

Brian Atlasdid cardi B joked about um drugging men and take stealing their money you know it's just just like kind of socially acceptable to like you know maybe

Brian Atlasvictimize men and stuff I need to go clean up my Twitter after this I didn't know this was on there at least you're a good sport about a lot of the people in the chat are saying you're a good sport next is there another one are they

Brian Atlasreally oh I this was recent I was real angry that scroll down a little bit Nick so we can see them this like there's nothing else oh why so many men don't celebrate

Brian AtlasValentine's and then they simply don't want to be held accountable to do so men are not accountable or they're they're lacking accountability don't want to waste money on your corporate another man disappoint

(background)you by not giving you that you wanted I don't want to get into that because that took a lot of energy on my life the past couple of days wait we need more just being totally upfront

Hollyjust tell us about all the the stuff you're involved with lay it all out on the table I'm not involved with a lot actually be honest I just put my hopes

Hollytoo high certain people but no on that note that was just really you know okay you should you should show up for your girl on Valentine's Day I really stand by that I

Brian Atlasthink the girl should actually she should be the one who buys I get me flowers get me chocolate what's up yeah what's up I'll get you the gift too but you can't come empty-handed oh I'm coming

Brian Atlasempty-handed it's called reparations reparations for what for for the years that men have been in servitude and enslaved

Brian Atlasby women Andrew's probably like what the are you talking about you know listen we are we have been the try to get back Financial

Brian Atlasworkhorses you know you guys have had a good deal for a very long time and actually feminism has it up for a lot of y'all I agree it used to be you didn't have to

Mesawork now you got to work it doesn't seem like it's up anything for you see like it's been Fant seems like it's been a fantastic ride so far I'm a very hardworking even the traditional social

Brian Atlasorder kind of placed a lot of burden on men and was kind of in a lot of ways kind of like a lot of women would feel like in a privileged position to

Brian Atlasnot have to work now and to be taken care of by their husband but the economic reality which is somewhat to be blamed by feminism uh just if you double

Brian Atlasthe labor pool that's going to have an economic impact and look I think look I think uh it's fantastic that uh you know I think women should be should

Brian Atlaswork or well should be allowed to work if they want to but there are certain economic realities that go with that you're right am I going to get canceled

Brian Atlasfor what I just said is that cancel I think that was fair women should work I want women in stem so we can beat cancer right Andrew what don't you think okay Andrew do you know somebody who

Brian Atlassuffered we not going to beat cancer cuz women are in stem hold on but but hear me out here right okay sorry do you agree that that there are some genius and smart women out there don't be a misogynist

Brian AtlasAndrew come on I'm giving you a layup here you got this there's Andrew come on there's a smart there are genius women there's some smart women out there

Brian Atlasno genius women andw that's smart women out there I think okay here's look I think we've all been we've all known somebody who's had a serious

Brian Atlasdisease and I'm I don't want to be flipping I know sometimes I can come off as a bit you know playing around I don't want to be flipping about this we all know somebody who's had cancer a family

Brian Atlasmember whatever who's had an illness or disease and I'm absolutely in favor

Brian Atlasof I don't know what the word is here I'm using this word in the most good light way we should exploit the intelligence

Brian Atlasand Genius of women to tackle the issues of cancer of disease of illness because if we just throw the intellectual woman power instead of man

Brian Atlaspower at cancer and men's so you just want to usher in the apocalypse that's that's is

Brian Atlasthat what's no no look if we can have women and men cooperating to

Brian Atlastackle cancer yeah illness disease I've seen Alzheimer's firsthand that's not pretty well dude this laptop came out of nowhere it

Brian Atlascame at me bro sorry guys I'm tweaking spaz I'm spazzing out right now I'm sorry I think we should have we need women so women are the

Brian Atlasanswer what's that women are the answer yeah uh I don't know about that but I'm in favor

Brian Atlasof we need more women in stem if they're inclined to do it and we need them studying cancer research I don't know what the pre what you're studying in college to I don't know if

Brian Atlasit's biology I don't know what it is we need women to go and Tackle cancer and illnesses and diseases and Alzheimer because that is not pretty what we need to do hold on hear me out Andrew

Brian Atlasyou'll like this part where where would all the psychologists come from then hear me out we have to defund because you know there's there's uh what's it

Brian Atlascalled there's uh subsidies for various liberal arts programs like we're going to defund feminist studies gender

Brian Atlasstudies uh you know sociology we're going to defund that you want to study that you got there's no subsidies for you in fact just get it rid from it's useless get subsidize the stem fields

Brian Atlasfor women no we subsidize the stem field here here's my view on College I'm in favor of paid free college only for stem

Brian Atlasthough and we have to get rid of feminism feminist studies sociology the soft

Brian AtlasSciences get rid of it well you can go to college for free if you study stem you like that Andrew it's good

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)right it's good Andrew may I ask you a question do you think women overall are not intelligent or less intelligent than men Jes

MesaChrist yes why really wow that is that's a very that's very why do you believe that I think they have very low functional intelligence generally it's just me

Mesathough it's now look look could be it could yeah yeah okay got what Andrew's trying to say as his

Brian Atlasinterpreter you know as Andrew's interpreter okay there's this there's this hypothesis called the greater male variability hypothesis so on the average

Brian Atlasmen and women are about equal but what you have is you have men you have a portion of men who are if you think of a bell curve right you have

Brian Atlasthere's a greater proportion of men who are really really stupid right and then there's a greater proportion of men who are very very intelligent right mhm the average is

Mesaequal it's a hypothesis I don't know if it's actually true's talking about on either end of the spectrum it's called the greater male variability hypothesis well I'm just I'm just basing

Mesawhat I'm saying greater male I couldn't tell you for sure that I would base any of this on like I keq research or any of that I'm just talking about General observations okay so when she makes a general observation that all men are

Sophia/Lizzy (mixed)liars and I take issue with that I should logically take issue with your statement sure take issue with it issue I will say I love men I'm not I'm not a man hater let's do the tweets we got to

Brian Atlasget we got it we got one more okay oh this really recent oh no plus also right or there's one more after this that was like while I'm going M he wait

Mesayou're you're joking you're trolling of course the poting I thought that was your whole the whole thing you were doing right there with the whole speech and or we were you serious that you wanted to about what the college the stem yeah yeah I'm

Brian Atlasserious I thought you were just posting no I'm serious really yeah we'll talk about it in we'll refine it better uh we'll talk about it after the show but uh okay

Hollytweets okay well my I first said if I don't wake up to a box of roses at minimum on Valentine's Day day I'm never speaking to anyone ever again February 5th and then February 5th and then on Valentine's Day I said well I'm going

Hollymeute for the rest of the year and was nice knowing y'all so your Valentine's Day did not go well it it's been remedied but um it I was really mad that day it was really angry

Brian Atlasactually yeah but everything's good now why would you go mute for the rest of the year cuz no one deserves to speak to me

Hollywhat unless you can pay her to $110,000 month I I never said allowance heing my words I never said that I never said

Brian Atlasthat that's not true uh is you said there's another one

Brian AtlasNick that's that's it oh okay uh we got to get to Dez and then we're going to wrap okay Dez you're you do only fans do you

Brian Atlasdescribe yourself as a feminist kind of okay you said dating is hard now is all the good men are taken LOL or insecure as omf

DezGGG I think being a stripper and in that industry makes dating hard

Dezum most most definitely um I think it takes a secure man to date a woman doing

Brian Atlaswhat I'm doing um but then yeah so do you think that men who wouldn't want to date you are insecure I don't think because you said it takes a

Dezsecure man to date you I think it it does take a secure man to date um a stripper or somebody who does only fans and sex work and stuff but but is a man insecure for not wanting to date you

Dezbecause you do that profession I don't think it's every man who doesn't want to date me is insecure but I think that that's a big majority of the reason because the reasons that they give me or

Dezoh like I don't want you um touching another guy or engaging with another man and stuff but it's like okay that's my job though and like so is it insecure though but if you know that that's just

Dezfor my job and stuff and that's like I'm not doing anything outside of my job then I believe that you're being a

Dezlittle insecure unless that that's just really TR truly your core values and stuff too then that's fine but I do think it has respect respect on for do

Andrew Wilsonyou think that a man would have a lot of self-respect if he was dating a stripper um personally Tracy on tilt donated $200 a secure man would not want to wife

Andrew Wilsonyou up people date to marry you're setting up your future children to be trolled and bullied in school and that's unfair to them they didn't ask to be

Mesaborn you what I don't want kids okay yeah but so anyway back to what I was asking thank thank you Tracy

Brian Atlasdo you think Tracy got a lot of money you are you going to hit up Tracy after this no what if is Tracy a Tracy

Hollyis kind of a gender neutral name right it could be she Tracy could be a man right yeah maybe I thought Tracy's more mostly he or she Tracy confirm or deny

Mesapenis or vagina okay so when you're talking about respect though do you think that a man would have a lot of self-respect if they would go for a sex

Dezworker um well that depends on what his outlook on respect is no from your outlook from my Outlook yeah I mean I'm still a person you know not saying

Dezyou're not a person yeah but I'm still and I still have my values and stuff so like why why should dating me or any other sex worker make

Dezyour um your values lower or because it doesn't seem like it's very respectful for my my girlfriend to grind her vagina on men I mean does that seem like it's

Dezrespectful to you cuz it seems like it's way not very respectful to me it brings me a bag though so I I like my like you but then there's also a benefit of if

Dezyou're with me too then you know like then I'm sharing I'm bringing you up as well too but again you have to yeah but that would be the same thing if you were a thief but you why so why why would

Mesathat why if you you were no what I'm saying is that it' be the same thing if you were a thief you could be bringing your significant other up with your stolen property but that wouldn't mean that a self-respecting person would like

Dezwant to go after a criminal right yeah but I'm also not a criminal and I'm not saying you're a criminal I'm just making analogy yeah yeah but just just because

DezI'm a sex worker doesn't mean that my that I don't have respect for myself and that somebody who dates me isn't going to have respect for them themselves you know if anything like I

Dezthink that you I don't want to say that you're having respect for yourself by dating someone in that industry but umot where it's going Tracy on tilt

Andrew Wilsondonated $200 again F the real world taught me lessons that I had to learn they're hard pills to swallow and I'm sorry it hurts but it's the truth you can't live in

Andrew Wilsondelusion all of your life you got live in reality

Brian Atlasthank you Tracy is the F does that stand for female or are we just going to ignore F maybe be for female you know could be a female are you a female Tracy thank you

Brian AtlasTracy uh do you think that you mentioned like it's hard to find a good good man um what do you think a good man wants do

Dezyou think he wants a girl who's selling herself no for $10 a month online no um well does that answer your question then

Dezyeah but there's but there's more to me than just my industry you know it's you so think about how you're looking at this to the prism of you so from his perspective from his perspective from

Dezthe perspective of him but I wouldn't even want to be involved with anybody who that's about you again

Dezcan we make it about him now well I guess he would be his points would be

Dezvalid because yes grinding on another man and would isn't ideal like if he weren't a sex worker and he started grinding on like one of

Mesahis buddies in front of him would you think n that's pretty respectful thing to do probably get Molly whopped right in the face yeah it wouldn't be like not the great best idea I don't know what Molly wed is

Mesabut just like some somebody gets punched yeah anyway if he did that in front of you would you would be like well if a guy would let you do that not a lot of

Dezself-respect right yeah but I have my own reasons for being in that industry and doing what I'm doing and stuff so sure well I'm not even taking any of that away I'm just

Hollysaying that you're looking at everything through the prism of you can I ask you a question so if a guy was willing to like give you an allowance to stop doing o

Dezand stripping would you consider it um maybe in a different sense cuz my only fans I actually have a vision for sorry

Andrew Wilsonthat I want to turn it into something Tracy on tilt donated $200 thank you Tracy last donation I'm a female I'll gladly go on your show and

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