Michael Knowles DESTROYS Whatever Podcast?! Are OF/E-Girls Traditional?! | Dating Talk #132
Date: 2024-02-02
Duration: 6h 08m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_02Sophie(guest)
SPEAKER_03Nicollet(guest)
SPEAKER_06Michael Knowles(guest)
SPEAKER_07Madison Vu(guest)
SPEAKER_09Maddie(guest)
SPEAKER_10Cindy Zang(guest)
SPEAKER_11Mia Huffman(guest)
SPEAKER_12Naomi Lynn(guest)
Key Moments
00:06:38
IntroMichael Knowles introduction - 'I am a cigar salesman and I do not yet do only fans'
“I'm Michael nolles I am a cigar salesman and I do not yet do only fans and I don't intend to”
00:08:08
Key MomentSophie reveals her ex-fiance was born female and transitioned to male mid-engagement
“when we started dating he said I'm a woman I want to be treated like a woman and then he transitioned”
01:32:49
QuoteNaomi Lynn reveals she left a six-figure corporate director-of-sales job for OnlyFans
“I was a director of sales... six figures regardless... I quit it to do only fans”
01:35:35
QuoteMaddie discloses she's made $200-300K from sugar daddies and 100-200 paid dates
“probably a few hundred thousand... should we say 300,000 safe number”
01:43:46
QuoteCindy reveals a fan pre-paid $10K to spit on him; meetup not yet happened
“one of my fans said they would pay like $10,000 for me to spit on them... yeah I said yeah I'm down”
02:07:06
QuoteMichael Knowles on the road to redemption for OF girls: stop, then go to church
“the very first thing I would recommend doing is stop... go to church as much as you want to”
02:20:44
ControversyCindy accuses Brian of subscribing to her OnlyFans after seeing 'Brian Atlas' in her subscriber list
“I saw in my statements as this your your first and last name”
03:49:31
QuoteRatings round - Brian self-rates as a 5 due to gained weight/dad bod
“I used to rate myself a six however I've gained a bit of weight... I'm now a five cuz I got a bit of a dad bod”
11:12:00
Key MomentMadison Vu discloses frat-rat history at Cal Poly Pomona; walked in on by frat members
“I used to go to Cal Poly Pomona I was a little frat rat... walked in on by the whole frat no just like large groups”
Topics Discussed
00:05:39
Guest introductions and relationship statuses
Guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Then relationship status round. Sophie's broken engagement to a trans man is a major discussion point.
01:25:00
OnlyFans and sex work economy
Discussion of sugar daddies, pay pigs, 'What's Your Price' app, escort-adjacent paid dates. Maddie describes 100-200 paid dates and a $100K sugar daddy. Cindy discusses a fan paying $10K to spit on him.
02:10:00
Michael Knowles debates OF girls on relationships and marriage
Michael Knowles challenges the panel on how OnlyFans/sex work affects long-term relationship prospects. Discussion of whether women can 'have it all' and still find a quality partner later.
03:06:40
Feminism, equal pay, women's sports
Maddie says she supports feminism but 'not over the top'. Discussion of WNBA pay equity, women's soccer, and whether equal pay demands are consistent.
03:18:20
Aliens, religion, and the supernatural
Michael argues aliens are 'just demons for libs' and there's no evidence for extraterrestrial life. Cindy and Naomi say they'd date an alien if rich/attractive enough.
03:49:31
Self-ratings round (looks 1-10)
Everyone rates their looks 1-10. Most women say 10. Brian rates himself 5 (gained weight, dad bod). Michael rates himself 8.
03:56:40
Dating preferences and exclusivity
Brian explains he wants women who are exclusively interested in him from first date; no other men in the picture. Panel pushes back on this as unrealistic.
04:08:20
Plastic surgery debate
Debate over labiaplasty, breast implants, BBLs. Naomi (SPEAKER_12) reveals she had a labiaplasty during a year of celibacy. Brian argues plastic surgery is a proxy for mental illness or excessive vanity.
04:30:00
Religion, Christianity, and porn
Michael Knowles debates Cindy on wearing a cross while doing porn. Sophie discusses her Biblical scholarship and her non-denominational Christian background. Broader discussion of Catholicism, Bible translation, abortion.
05:25:00
Makeup and physical deception
Brian argues makeup is deceptive; panel defends makeup as self-expression. Comparison to men wearing shoe lifts or toupees. Makeup transformation videos shown.
Transcript
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02:51:32
Michael Knowlessomething that's mutually contradictory because the guy who look maybe you can find some how I worded it is they're pissed that we can but the phrase it's like it's literally impossible to do
02:51:43
Maddiethat you can't okay wa regard regardless of the phrase regardless of the phrase what if it went down exactly how I said we still had our 20s we still had this time to do what we're doing right now we still end up with the person we're
02:51:54
Michael Knowlessupposed to married kids whatever I'm not saying it's not possible it's very possible it it but it seems pretty unlikely and I think we would we would all agree with that and none of us agree with that except you agree with that none of us agree I know a lot a lot of
02:52:07
Maddieyou have said ah what I'm doing it's not really good and it's there's all these bad problems anyone ever say that does anyone here feel that what they're doing right now is derailing them from being from the with the person they're supposed to be with in the end and the life that they're supposed to end up
02:52:19
Maddiewith I'm not saying in the end I'm not saying in the end right now I think at least some of you if we're not looking for a long-term relationship right now how does that even make sense we don't want that we're not looking for that all of us are literally saying the same
02:52:32
Michael Knowlesthing you're not looking for it the one of you just said that you know look it takes a while to have a relationship and maybe it might take a couple years of dating and then you get engaged and so these things don't happen overnight and it reminds me of people who say hey man
02:52:44
Michael Knowleswhy can't I just have like a deathbed confession you know I live it up man I go to Vegas I do all sorts of crazy stuff and on my deathbed which I may or may not get I I'll just convert and then I go to heaven that'll be really great right and look maybe maybe but really
02:52:56
Michael Knowleswhat happens is people tend to just keep going down the roads that they're on and they the habits that they cultivate become the habits that Define their lives whether it's virtue or vice and I I just think if you believe you're going to keep doing this and then one day at
02:53:08
Michael Knowles34 and A2 you're going to wake up and say you know what I'm going to do something totally different now and get Mr Wright who's not addicted to porn and get two kids and millions of dollars I just think that's very very unlikely you believe in porn addiction I think it's
02:53:21
Nicolletmore likely you don't believe in porn we talked about this earlier I said I don't believe Inn addiction nette nicette I think it's more likely that all of us are going to find like some hot rich guy
02:53:31
Nicolletto marry and take care of us than to like be single for the rest of our [Music] lives cuz we've set those standards for ourselves so we're not going to accept
02:53:43
Naomi Lynnlike anything [Laughter] [Music] is that funny I mean like look at the panel like we're not going to die alone
02:53:55
Madison Vulook at us we're hot I think it's the longest audio clip I so amazing I think in reference to what you kind of pointed out I don't know who it was it was one of you two that said like finding a relationship and developing a real one takes a year I
02:54:08
Madison Vucompletely agree and I agree I completely agree and I think it shines fa onto your own statement of just oh like you have to leave it immediately and stop so that you can go find the Mr rate yeah how do
02:54:20
Madison Vuyou start you don't have to stop you can become friends you can have light relationship that develops into not to cut you and that's how it kind of I believe in you niolet no you it's going
02:54:31
TTS/Donationsto happen I I think you you could all do it I what I'm just saying is seems likely to me that one Motorsports donated $200 what you feel has nothing to do with how a man you will want is going to
02:54:43
TTS/Donationsfeel about you and your your past choice and the new younger hot girls without a history of being naked online will win grid One Motorsports thank you very much appreciate it Michael you were about to
02:54:53
Michael Knowlessay something it yeah yeah look I I mean grid One Motorsports makes a fair enough point but the other thing is you know people change and you know your past doesn't necessarily have to Define you but in order for that to happen it does
02:55:05
Michael Knowleshave to be your past and so I I think that one would be fooling oneself if uh if you were to say that the kind of guy that I could start dating while do while
02:55:16
Michael Knowlesdoing anything pornographic is just as good and just as uh you know um normal and conducive to my happiness as a guy that I would meet not doing pornography
02:55:27
NicolletI I just think that the quality is you know do you guys that's your opinion I done pornography it is my opin true what does it matter you've done pornography whether you're doing it now or in the past you've done pornography so like I
02:55:40
Michael Knowlesdon't get it no because because people change and we respect that people change but I do think it's it's sort of like if you're if you're trying to find a boyfriend while doing pornography the odds are good but the goods are odd you're going to you're going to end up
02:55:51
Michael Knowleswith a kind of a weirdo guy and and you don't deserve you should have better guys you should have guys who will give you a good life n of you're going to end up with a weirdo guy like that's not true if you
02:56:03
Michael Knowlesif you I think the odds of you ending up with like a weirdo not not the kind of guy you'd actually want to be married to if you start dating him and marry him while you're doing pornography iag pretty high I think the that I if I started dating someone while I'm doing
02:56:16
Brian Atlaswhat I'm doing then they actually accept me for me and all of me and my choices they accept they do accept certain things that you that maybe you don't want them to accept 10 years down the line I have a question for you you you said you were you've been romantically
02:56:27
Brian Atlasinvolved with uh a couple NFL players and a couple NBA players like five total yeah the the some of them were like really casual but not like relationship
02:56:37
Brian AtlasRel so these men who I assume are in exceptional physical shape are very high status given the nature of their profession I assume are well off
02:56:47
Brian Atlasfinancially obviously not all NFL players are compensated the same but um Why didn't it work with any of them because I didn't want to take anything seriously you didn't you're telling me
02:57:00
Brian Atlasyou didn't want to pursue a long-term romantic relationship with like a less than I assume these men are in terms of you know if we're looking at their status or their wealth or what you
02:57:10
Naomi Lynnknow top 1% men sure not good enough for you that's I never said that well I mean what I just I said some were casual one relationship was like a year relationship and we just
02:57:23
Nicolletdidn't see eye to eye and there were third party situations that affected that relationship so we mutually decided we're like probably not best and let it be known that like NFL
02:57:35
Nicolletand NBA players are like literally the scum on the know they're not they're not the top different Major League
02:57:45
Brian AtlasBaseball where's the NH NHL guys what do you think about table hockey guy pong like you should go with guys at do you know any I can talk
02:57:57
Naomi Lynnto me after the show I'll get you but none of then no no like rug any rugby players or like I said I was only I was a round athlete so that was just like
02:58:08
Brian Atlaswhoever around badman have you considered badman I think you should try pro pro Batman bad why can I not pronounce that some of those guys
02:58:18
Brian Atlashundreds of dollars a year huge okay so wait will you guys at least acknowledge that by virtue of doing the kind of work you do it it doesn't it doesn't you're
02:58:31
Brian Atlasnot going to be change how do I properly word this I don't think it's going to be the case that you'll never find anybody I don't think that's what we're arguing but will you at least acknowledge that
02:58:41
Brian Atlasit is going to close the door for a substantial portion of men that you have that we don't want either really yeah really really well you you don't want them because they don't want you but I
02:58:53
Brian Atlassuspect if you look at if you were to look at these men's character all I'm sure you could find them physically attractive they could they could meet all your metrics except that they wouldn't want to date you based on uh
02:59:06
Naomi Lynnyour past profession are you saying past profession or if they're currently doing it either both does any really want to be with someone doesn't want them though like that's what I said from the beginning it's different dating pools
02:59:18
Brian Atlasguys that don't want to date a sex worker obviously I'm not going to be like okay I want you but you at least acknowledge that it does close the door to I don't I can't attribute to what
02:59:29
Brian Atlaspercentage of men it would be but I think a fair fairly decent percent percentage of men simply by virtue of the work you've done or did may
02:59:39
Naomi Lynnnot want to date you yes we you worded that differently they're not me for me you're saying men that have all the characteristics that I would want it's because they don't want me no I don't
02:59:51
Madison Vuwant them because they you don't want them because they don't want want to date a sex worker and they're not okay with that that's already like a the morals don't align as that's why therefore why even have the interest in
03:00:02
Michael Knowlesdo you you really think it's a a number one prerequisite for your future husband and the father of your children that they have to be really into porn you don't not that they really have to be into porn but they have to accept the fact that I did and if I'm still doing
03:00:15
Michael Knowlesbut those are different things excepting the fact that you did something in your past that perhaps you're not super proud of but you know whatever versus who said that but I'm proud of proud of it nobody right but you know
03:00:28
Michael Knowlesif you're like really into it and maybe still doing it then that's going to attract a kind of guy who's just really into porn and I don't I don't think that that is the top Criterion you say I want my future husband the father of my
03:00:38
Michael Knowleschildren to be tall dark handsome rich and super into porn you you don't you really think that they don't have to you're talking super extremes nobody I for like supern is a metaphysical
03:00:50
Cindy Zangquality I love for more like personality I can settle for a medium ugly guy and his personality is like a freaking 2,000 so it's like at the end of the day it's not even about like what he has it's if
03:01:01
Naomi LynnI get along with him sure say stocky pale mid not that rich but he has to be super into porn but you're taking things to a super extreme super into he doesn't have to be super into porn he just has
03:01:12
Michael Knowlesto be accepting of the fact that if one dates certainly if one marries someone whose profession is to be a porn actress that guy is really into porn
03:01:23
Maddiethat guy is the most into porn you can possibly be or what do you characterize what just really into you what do you characterize your work what you do what do you do for a work disapproves or approves what's like your title like what do you do for work I mostly own the
03:01:36
Naomi Lynnlives with facts and logic and I occasionally sell cigars so your wife was like oh my God I'm so into cigars destroys so hot like I want to marry him cuz he's so into the number of times I've heard this
03:01:48
Michael Knowlesfrom women I say girl stop I'm married go away mm You Can Have a Cigar but you can't have me that's what I have to say yeah yeah can bring can we bring Johnny do you see like my wife look my wife
03:02:00
Michael Knowlescertainly I have a I have a especially that I have a public profession she's got to be like on board with my job and this would be true even if I even so so you're saying the same thing that she's saying right now your wife needs to be
03:02:12
Naomi Lynnon board with your just like who she's going to be need to be on board with her job she doesn't have to be super into cigars that was my point but she has to be on board with what you do and support you was she
03:02:23
Madison Vuprior the point was she prior interested in you doing all this public figure media and all these other things Brian you saw that you saw that that was PR you know so and I met her
03:02:35
Michael Knowleswhen I was 10 so we we kind of had that going but it it is legitimately a prerequisite of anyone who would marry me right that they have to it was a prerequisite just as ours that they would accept us for that same reason
03:02:47
Michael Knowlesthat they would have to be super indor yes yeah your wife isn't a politician herself or she's not no but she's into politics in as much as a lot of Our Lives involve politics going to
03:02:58
Madison Vupublic events traveling around does that mean she mean she's got to be like pretty into it yeah she was okay with the involvement therefore our partners
03:03:06
Madison Vuor future Partners would be interested in respecting our work and having had having accepted that that was our how
03:03:16
Brian Atlasmany who how many you you want your future Partners to respect your past work just as you resp that's a question that's a question Sor sorry if I'm being a bit huh respect in the sense that they
03:03:29
Brian Atlasdon't shame you for respect that they're not that's a big ask to be like from the people that are okay with it stop stop stop that is a really big
03:03:38
Brian Atlasask for most men to be like babe I respect the fact that there are videos of you having having sexual intercourse with
03:03:49
Cindy Zangmen who are not me on the internet I'm sorry the past is in the past like why that's I don't want you if you're a
03:03:57
Cindy Zangjudgmental guy Jud not that is Jud is judging is Jud judgmental it is judging and that's a sin not I don't think it is
03:04:09
Brian Atlasnot really no it is you shouldn't judge people you shouldn't be jealous it's not yeah it's not exactly but it's interesting wait hold on hold on hold on
03:04:20
Brian Atlasit's it's interesting that you say that oh men are the super judgmental when it comes to this specific thing but we all know that women are far more sexually selective than men and you judge men on
03:04:30
Brian Atlasa a whole slew of criteria when it comes to who you're going to sleep with have long-term relationships with be partner One Motorsports donated
03:04:39
TTS/Donations$200 brickson time for the delusion calculator no masculine man wants a PE Star as a wife the simps that will marry a 304 will eventually bore them the only
03:04:51
TTS/Donationswinner will be the divorce lawyers and pool boys let me ask you guys thank you grid one for that let me ask you guys a question like try to take yourself out of you know this do you think when if
03:05:03
TTS/Donationsyou were a man when it comes to optimizing your potential uh choices when it comes to a partner do you think it's a sub Devon Jackson donated
03:05:14
Brian Atlas$200 it's not in the past if I can pull it up today that's a very good point Devon Jackson do you think that it's a suboptimal dating choice to date a woman
03:05:27
Brian Atlaswho does or did pornography like if he had the choice of dating a woman who didn't have nude photographs and videos on the internet having videos and photographs of her
03:05:37
Brian Atlashaving sexual learning course with one two three other men that's a choice and a preference but is would you acknowledge that it's suboptimal on in some way no cuz she
03:05:49
Maddieprobably goes better head oh my God Is there is there perhaps more to life than that okay I can I can see my my ex was not okay with me doing only fans like when I started it was not it was not okay like we did end up filming content
03:06:01
Maddietogether but he was not cool like he was not cool with me doing that you were dating before you started doing it yeah we yeah why why' you start then only fans M we were breaking up and I was
03:06:14
Nicolletmoving out we're breaking up okay well I was also dating someone while before doing only fans and while doing only fans and all of their friends that it was so cool I do want to try to switch
03:06:24
Brian Atlasgears a little bit because I think we've lingered on the porn bad for for a little too long don't don't get me wrong it's always interesting to talk about but um daon Jackson by the way good to see you back
03:06:38
Brian Atlasin the chat man it's been a while welcome welcome thank you for your patronage and grid we might be able to pull up the calcul a little bit layer Maddie you said that you support
03:06:46
Maddiefeminism but not overthe top so what aspects of feminism do you support I support women I support that women should have the same rights as men
03:06:59
Brian AtlasI support that women should get paid the same amount as men I support women that's what I so okay so you same rights as men and then should be paid the same as men just treated as equal like do you
03:07:10
Maddiethink they're not yeah in some ways yeah I think men are paid more in certain jobs about fans uh women are definitely paid more so do you think we should take
03:07:20
Maddiemoney from you I like I have some guy only I know friends I have guys who are friends do only fans and they still make money like that's not but I think like like mainly women run this app not to
03:07:32
Maddiesay that like I just don't think there's as many men on the app as there is women and that's why women make more but like okay well do you think do you think for example and this came up in the debate
03:07:42
Brian Atlasdo you think that uh in women's sports uh women female athletes should be the paid the same as male athletes like for example in tennis
03:07:52
Brian Atlasor in women's soccer or in uh do you think that W the WNBA do you think the W uh women in that WNBA should be paid the same as you know they're playing the same game right as in the NBA I mean
03:08:05
Maddiecoming from someone who played college and soccer and could have could have ended up going pro I yeah I totally think women and men should get paid this same they're doing the same things they're trading the same amount like but the leagues are making vastly different
03:08:18
Brian Atlasamounts of Revenue and that's why women don't make the same I understand it but I don't agree with it erroneous erroneous okay but didn't you just say that well when it came to only fans like
03:08:31
Brian Atlasdo you think for example all the women on only fans should start sub subsidizing male content creators what do you mean by that well men don't make the same amount of money on only fans
03:08:42
Brian Atlasthat there's less opportunity for men on only fans should the women collectively have to you know uh relinquish some of their earnings in order to bolster men in the only fans world or what about in
03:08:54
Maddiethe modeling world for example I think if there was as many men on the app men would be making just as much money but I think there the same demand there's not the equivalent demand I'm not a feminist
03:09:06
Cindy ZangI like I think like I just want to say I'm sorry not but like I I that's my business partner right there wait I feel like men
03:09:17
Cindy Zangokay the the society is like built this way where like men is able to be more dominant in like I mean in relationships and money and government if we think
03:09:28
Cindy Zangabout like I just think like I don't know like I just I just think that it's built this way so what
03:09:37
Brian Atlaswait lot of wisdom in that qu question for Maddie here um so you you think the WNBA the women in the WNBA should be paid the same as the men in the NBA is that correct okay look I'm not going to
03:09:49
Brian Atlasspeak on I'm not going to I'm not going to dive too deep I'm not going to dive too deep just because I'm pushing back a little bit on your position don't walk back your position I hear you but I'm not going to dive too deep into
03:10:00
Brian Atlassomething that like I said I support women but I'm not over the top about it so but you said okay but you said you support equal pay and I'm asking in this specific realm of human endeavor do you
03:10:11
Maddiethink that in women's soccer they should be the paid the same women's tennis yes I do and also in the NBA do you think they're too I don't know how much people in the NBA make on different sides but I
03:10:24
Brian Atlasdo I do think that they should get paid the same yes okay there are like three people go to w can you I'd like you to name oh my go three three male NBA players no I'm not naming anyone I don't
03:10:36
Brian Atlasknow I name and I'm not I just knew soccer okay well the the point I'm trying to make is I mean the women in the w NBA would be um would be more
03:10:46
Brian Atlasadequately compensated if for example women actually watched basketball but they don't you're saying well you're saying
03:10:59
Brian Atlasthat they should be equally compensated but it doesn't sound like you're a big like female sports fan like you don't buy jerseys or and and that's the case for not just you but for a lot of other women yeah could I add I think what she's trying to say
03:11:13
Madison Vunot trying to put words in your mouth but what she's trying to say is that their compensation should be equivalent but in reality they are compensated more men are in male Sports because they do bring in a lot more views they bring in
03:11:25
Madison Vua lot more of that traction between those communities with the NFL NHL Etc so for that reason it's understandable that they make more income regardless I think what she's trying to say is just she wishes that their compensation was
03:11:36
Madison Vuequivalent obviously because of why because it's the same Sport and because of the same mechanics that they work out and they're always exer is the case though like for example in women's
03:11:47
Brian Atlastennis that they play Le I I'm not familiar with tennis terminology but I do think they play less game Michael do you know do you know this well I'm an
03:11:57
Michael Knowlesavid viewer of the WNBA and so I think they play some number of games every year or they have they dribble a little women women's tennis
03:12:07
Brian AtlasTenn they play like two L what is it the I forgot the terminology any tennis matches match is that it no it's set sets there's less sets
03:12:19
Brian Atlassomething and I'm confused like what point you're trying to get I am too like seriously like I don't understand you said well I'm because you mentioned that you you you consider yourself a feminist and the you said that you want equal
03:12:31
Maddierights for women you want equ I said I can I say I support women I I said I didn't and I said that in the not and I made that very clear because I'm not one to sit here and argument argue over or debate over a topic that that I don't
03:12:43
Brian Atlasknow so much about well we'll switch we'll switch gears away from the wage Gap then what what rights do men have that women don't can we make this a like
03:12:53
Maddiegroup thing we can make it a group thing if they if they con if they feel the same way as as you do then sure we can make it a great then anyone who feels the same way as me feel free to speak on it yeah how are we feeling what is the
03:13:05
Brian Atlasway the question okay I don't are you are you a feminist I am okay so do you believe that uh do women have equal
03:13:13
TTS/Donationsrights um grid One Motorsports donated $200 the owner of pays him .3 million a day last year he loves feminism and
03:13:24
TTS/Donationsthanks you for selling yourself feminism has failed you embrace the patriarchy which values and protects women I think we've come a long way from um a couple
03:13:35
Sophiedecades ago however I think there are some areas that we need to improve on I see your point between the WN ba and the NBA there's obviously different we can move off we we can definitely move off
03:13:47
Brian Atlasof the sporting thing but uh you said there's some areas that we can improve on or where it's not yet quite equal um so what what are
03:13:57
Sophiethose um equal pay and access to our bodies to make choices about our bodies okay that men should have no input in at all oh Which choice is like what you
03:14:07
Brian Atlasdress in or you know like pro-choice so is your position no uterus no opinion it's not no uterus well you said men should have no say so I think
03:14:18
Sophieshe meant in making the laws on it yeah on making laws about it um specifically pro-choice pro-life um I think women should always have the choice
03:14:34
Sophiebecause I mean it's their body they're the ones that are giving birth to these children and I understand like there's different situations there's different situations that I can see different
03:14:45
Michael Knowlessides on I see the sides of pro life um cuz you just said they children huh you just said cuz sometimes when people argue for abortion they say it's just a zygote or it's a little clump of cells or whatever but you you admitted the
03:14:58
Sophietruth which is their children well I'm not I don't know if I them it becom a child you just put it like that I don't know if I'd put it like that I'm not as media trained as you so I'm not really watching my words it's better not to be media trained in this regard because
03:15:10
Sophieyou're saying what you really believe and you're totally right it's not that I believe that they're children when they're in the womb um I think it gets aast line when they become a child I
03:15:21
Sophiethink it's a little blurry right now and you know I'm open to learning more science behind it and stuff like that but I do think that women should always have the right to choose even after they
03:15:33
Michael Knowlesbecome children at whatever point that is whether or not they want to carry their pregnancy and so but so you just said look it kind of depends on when they actually become children I'm not
03:15:43
Michael Knowlessure think the choice depends I'm not so so so then all this like the beginning and the end and the IT none of that matters because you're saying even when the babies are children by my own admission the women still should have the right to kill them no that's not
03:15:57
Sophiewhat I'm saying I'm saying I understand points on both sides but I side with women that they should have the right to decide whether or not they want to carry their pregnancy to term and have their child yeah okay well Le look at least
03:16:08
Michael Knowlesyou're honest about it which a lot of people try to muddy up the issue but you haven't yeah no you haven't really I feel like I've mudded it up at all well you did a little bit when you when you changed from the child to a pregnancy but then
03:16:20
TTS/Donationsyou you came back to it again when you said and give birth to the child so I think you're you're pretty honest about it truth bomb donated $200 most women athletes actual make a
03:16:31
TTS/Donationslarger percent of total revenue than the male athletes do most of the feminists arguments are actual garbage in what case do women went where cuz I if if so
03:16:42
Michael KnowlesI'm because they're subsidized by like the WNBA is subsidized by the NBA I don't know enough about the WNBA I don't know all that because the women's sports make no moneyed they all get subsidized by the men's sport I don't know the
03:16:54
TTS/DonationsWomen's National Soccer Team Michael's father donated $200 Michael's father Smokey Mike is doing great so far thank you Dad you have it okay Michael no's father is in the chat there you go can
03:17:07
Naomi Lynnwe go back to the comment before that the comment before that was interesting most women that which one the most women athletes actually no no no no no the one
03:17:14
Naomi Lynnbefore that the only fans owner one oh that he pays himself .3 million a day I I actually appreciate only fans as a
03:17:24
Naomi Lynnplatform before that a lot of girls just sold things on Snapchat so I think only fans as a platform has created a very
03:17:32
Brian Atlassafe way to do sex why I don't interrupt you well you did a couple times actually okay sorry um well I was also just trying to move away we we' stuck on the OS I was just saying I appreciate the
03:17:45
Naomi Lynncomment because yeah you were trying to make it a negative thing I look at it as a positive thing what was I trying to make negative no no no that that person oh the the TTS I see okay I just want to acknowledge their comment they paid good
03:17:55
Brian Atlasmoney they deserve to be acknowledged yeah grid One Motorsports she's right thank you man appreciate it um he did say feminism has failed you embrace the patriarchy so thank you for bringing
03:18:08
Naomi Lynnthat if he created the software and went through the coding it needs a little updating but um what you know I appreciate the owner of only fan so he should be paid a lot he owns my free cams
03:18:19
Brian Atlastoo just so you know he 's a regular oh my God who the hell cares appreciate it um and I forgot who asked something about the female athletes I was going to make the point someone kind of
03:18:31
Brian Atlaschallenged the one from truthbomb there was there was something about the uh US Women's National Soccer Team the if you actually broke down how they negotiated their contract um
03:18:42
Brian Atlasit's been a while since I saw the the there's people made videos on this and it was in their they did the lawsuit um they negotiated a very different package which I forgot it was their payment was
03:18:54
Brian Atlasbased on either the games played regardless of if if they won and I think the men negotiated they only got paid either by games played or if they I don't recall all the details there yeah there was some differences and like if
03:19:07
Brian Atlasyou actually broke it down in some ways that women actually ended up they were paid more than the men but uh we do have a chat here from Kendall Weller hey thank you man appreciate it aliens are
03:19:17
Michael Knowlesreal Michael aliens are just demons for Libs oh so it's they're not real there's no evidence that aliens exist at all but people want it to be real
03:19:28
Naomi Lynnbecause they want some being outside of human beings to be smart and you know I believe aliens they don't necessarily have to be like super smart and like whatever wait Michael I have a question
03:19:39
Brian Atlaswhen it comes to the aliens thing Welcome to the whatever alien Talk podcast do when you say you don't think that there's aliens do you think that there hasn't been any actual contacts
03:19:50
Brian Atlasthat have come here but do you think in this this you know the scale of the universe is huge do you think it's possible somewhere out there that there's life no like M I'm not saying it's completely impossible but the odds
03:20:03
Brian Atlasof it are basically nothing like on some like you know there's like billions of stars and planet's no alens it's all fake what about life well I guess that's the
03:20:14
Michael Knowlessame thing yeah no probably not like the because people always say this they say but the universe is really really big and so probability means that there's life somewhere else in the universe but there's not the way that you in order to
03:20:27
Michael Knowlesastain the probability you'd have to know anything about how life begins so I think I have a pretty good idea of how life begins you know with like God lifting clay and creating man and breathing into him and everything but the scientists they say well that's not
03:20:39
Michael Knowlesa sufficient answer so I say okay scientists what's your your scientific answer of how life begins and they say uh we'll get back to you they have absolutely no idea so you know when they come up with some idea of how scientifically Life Begins then you
03:20:52
Michael Knowlescould ascertain the probability but until then it's all totally fake if I can relate if I can relate this back to dating would anyone here date an alien hell yeah I would if he was rich and had
03:21:04
Cindy Zanga big what the he has a good personality and he has a 12in dick we could she said o it's an alien guys it
03:21:15
Naomi Lynncan have anything meure that was wild is that jaier M yeah um I think that's a really beautiful thing you said but like if you're not religious like what then yeah no it's that's why people believe in
03:21:29
Michael Knowlesaliens now is because they're not religious but they have all these intuitions that they're like Spiritual Beings who are intelligent who visit us every now and again and it's just a way for atheists to try to understand Angels and Demons interesting interesting okay
03:21:42
Brian Atlasand you said you used to be an atheist correct yeah for long 10 years yeah long time yeah long time interesting what did Alien would you get with an
03:21:52
Brian Atlasalien female hot only a female alien is a female alien yeah hot maybe it's like the Avatar think Avatar I guess oh I
03:22:00
Brian Atlaswith avatars I love avatars okay uh Mia would you if it's an avatar yeah okay fire you're into blue you don't see color okay
03:22:12
Brian AtlasI totally color blind we not Maddie not starting I like my boyfriend my human boyfriend okay uh let's see we were
03:22:23
Brian Atlastalking about feminism if I recall something equal was it you we were talking about we're humans equal rights we talking about trick we all spiritual being I said that was no it
03:22:36
Maddiewas Maddie I think we were talking to Maddie and then Sophie kind of weighed in a little bit I I support stand that's about it that's about all okay I see and I said that in the comment you said I'm not I said I'm not an over the
03:22:49
Michael Knowlestop feminist I don't know everything about it but I've support not over the feminism is terrible it makes women miserable and so to your point you're saying and you kind of Inuit that so you're saying yeah I'm not a feminist I just support women like I'm proman and
03:23:01
Maddiethat's a great answer I'm literally yeah exactly it's a great answer what do you guys think of men uh men are great in what way in general they're
03:23:12
Brian AtlasI love my men friends and my family okay I think that there there's some good ones but they're just hard there's some some good ones yeah I'm not even necessarily speaking
03:23:23
Brian Atlasromantically here oh in yeah I'm saying in general okay there's some good ones not most I just haven't had the best experience with men so maybe I'm not the person
03:23:33
Maddieask you can ask well is that perhaps uh what's the word for because of my job informed by your uh uh your job yeah um I had a bad experience with men as a
03:23:45
TTS/Donationschild way before I ever knew what only fans was okay I see what you're saying there Cindy oh we got truth bomb truth bomb donated $200 oh and the Earth is flat Christ is
03:23:57
Brian AtlasKing Christ is at least one of those things is true don't know I don't know about both those things but okay all right Cindy Christ is King too Cindy okay uh Cindy your
03:24:09
Nicolletthoughts on do you like men what do you think what are your thoughts on men I like men when they treat me wellbody nicholet yeah I love men I feel like we need men they're
03:24:20
Michael Knowleshot yeah they're not all hot is Michael nolles hot I'm sorry I shouldn't it took a long time for her to answer I understand which it's fine it's okay I'm not offended I'm not
03:24:31
Nicolletoffended whoa what the that's devastating bro why you got Nicollet why you got to what she's keeping me hum he's married yeah no that that's what me I love married men and they love me too
03:24:44
Brian Atlasyou just don't like me so it's not cuz I'm married it's devastating oh my God I'm sorry I I thought she was actually going to I was setting her up for a layup to be like I needed to be taken down Michael's a bab and I did not go
03:24:56
Brian Atlasshe wasn't feeling it Mia that's fine yes what about you what was the question what do you think of men oh I love men love men actually nickolet made me think of something interesting she said she
03:25:08
Maddieneeds men going around the table do you need men I think I need man yeah definitely I do okay I think yeah I do think men and women were created for
03:25:21
Naomi Lynneach other so I do think we need them it's beautiful um I've watched enough red pill podcast where like the question kind of just like sends a shock down my spine but like do we need men like yeah
03:25:32
Naomi Lynnwe need men but like why do you watch red pill podcast well I'm on a red pill podcast but why you watch why you watch is it I like to be prepared and be
03:25:45
Naomi Lynninformed and not just come on and be like what's going to happen you know cuz I can come back right I I was in Corporate America I prepared before all my meetings like I know what to do research you you're from
03:25:56
Michael KnowlesNew York I'm from New York wow that's we're in New York wow impressive Long Island long we're in Long Island I mean I'm not trying to dox myself Fair it all makes you still live there or no no okay
03:26:07
SophieI live in Arizona do we need men do we need men do do you need men no do we need men I think they play a part in society play play a
03:26:18
Brian Atlaspart what if you had to attribute a percentage to play a part what no what percentage would you not the percentage into what you know like infrastructure
03:26:30
Brian Atlasyou know the grid you know critical infrastructure telecommunications Waste Management %%
03:26:40
Maddieelectricity okay 50% like opening jars big that's a big one that's super helpful very helpful if there was a world full of woman like just women by themselves like we would need something to balance it out if there's a world
03:26:52
Maddiefill just men we would need women to balance it out like it you know so true I need like my security I'm not sure if your friend agrees with that she doesn't have to she has her own opinions and I have mine that's totally fine yeah but
03:27:02
Brian Atlasso if you had to if you had to attribute like how much do we you know need men they're cool to have around I mean
03:27:13
Sophielike okay let's say like your dad and your brother I love my dad and my brother you need them around like they're needed right you would say they're needed cuz they're my family
03:27:23
Sophieyeah okay I've lived my life for with like months without speaking to a single man besides family and I felt No Lack of anything in
03:27:35
Michael Knowleslife that is kind of dark and depressing but okay I don't know there are times when I don't talk to women outside of my maybe I talk to like my you were probably depressed inside but when I talk no CU I talked I got my wife you know and I talk and then if I hang out
03:27:47
Michael Knowleslike I don't want to go hang out with women so I go to a cigar bar in part I love cigars but in part because it's kind of like woman repellent it's not I love women I love women so much women repellent but what do I I don't if I go out and I'm I gain nothing from going
03:28:01
Michael Knowlesyour wife like sends you off with those just to make sure you're not around with she actually would probably prefer I didn't go to the cigar bar because I wkak when I get home but but you know I think uh like I'm a married guy and my
03:28:13
Michael Knowleswhat do I gain from going to a bar with a woman no I don't even think I'm going to do anything but it's the Scandal that what do I I don't need that I've seen some bad in a cigar lounge I'm not going to lie scas occas I know I'm
03:28:24
Maddiesaying like that's not really said occasionally cigar so y'all know exactly what a you know exactly what a bad is you know exactly what a bad is don't lie you said you just saw him a cigar you're right I've seen once or
03:28:36
Michael Knowlestwice no he said it too you no I've seen a baddy once or twice he know he knows exactly what a bad is for Real y are like what's a bad like you know exactly what a bad that's where
03:28:47
Brian Atlasyou find the good ones knows bad I prefer when you see good I'm I prefer good I don't like the bad I prefer the good are you dating
03:28:58
Brian Atlaswhat you what are you talking about I am uh I I keep my life a mystery because I have Ops I have opposition you did not just say I have I got the Ops he had like an a
03:29:10
Naomi Lynnsoftware date when he left the table and came back with all the knowledge now all the lingo yeah restarted did you look up Atlant lingo when you left the table vocab list per a vocab list yeah oh op I
03:29:23
Michael Knowlesthought you meant op was like an operation or op is an opposition opponent or opposition that is what it is so the reason you don't I thought you meant like an opportunity like not
03:29:33
Michael Knowlesopposite opportunity oppos opposition want to take you down yeah I just uh I try to keep certain things private just because uh so are you doing this podcast there's uh there's Ops I got op so you
03:29:46
Maddiecan't say if you're dating or not I got Ops that's what I can say ear heend I heard that I heard that when did I say that saiding do you mean like in a hypothetical sense no you literally said
03:29:58
Maddiemy girlfriend what did I say were saying in hypo you know you're you're telling us that we're not going to tell the truth if we come on here but what if you're not telling the truth when you come on here who knows I feel like half the time you're probably not tell would
03:30:08
Brian Atlasif F never mind what I what if I'm starting to think who what the rude okay um Rude why is that rude do we what why is that rude ran is a
03:30:20
Cindy Zanghomosexual is what he's saying what homosexual it's uh you know wait what what I don't know confused Michael just I'm confused just say on I don't know I
03:30:31
Michael Knowlesjust yo you should box listen we can delete that and I didn't I thought that was what you were implying he said you're a little okay all right was just
03:30:42
Nicolleta little banter there's Ops at the table there's opposition okay uh do we need men Nicollet I think well uh yeah we need men I don't know how to change a
03:30:51
Nicollettire and I just want them to do like all the manual labor yeah yeah strong Mia we
03:30:58
Brian Atlasneed men Madison absolutely word word word very cool okay wait we have oh a little a little more on the feminist thing I wanted to touch
03:31:09
Maddieon oh my God yo what's up with this topic you don't you don't want to talk about feminism much ha feminis we have fully no no no we have fully gone into this topic three separate times and then wrap right back around to it with every
03:31:21
Maddiefemin after the conversation beginning of the conversation I said I support women I never said I was over the top of Fe feminist I said I support women and I'm standing by that here okay well I
03:31:32
Brian Atlasguess to see if there's any final thoughts from the panel on this um it sounded I forgot if it was you or you who said that uh you're fighting for
03:31:42
Brian Atlasequal rights and I was asked I think I asked or maybe I didn't what rights do men have that women
03:31:54
Nicolletdon't silence silence says a lot yeah I think we all agree that we don't want to be men and the life of men sucks wow
03:32:04
Brian Atlasokay that bad that's kind of nice wait so is your position nicholet that men are more pressed than women yeah probably like who wants to be a man that
03:32:16
Brian Atlassounds like really horrible what I mean that's a bit far but uh I feel like it' be cool to be a guy for like a day and then like be able to go I think men are
03:32:25
Brian Atlasgreat I think beautiful but you don't want to um I mean I wasn't born I different wait maybe uh show of hands
03:32:36
SPEAKER_08to Mar one I would love to marry a man is there a patriarchy show of hands yeah Define yeah Define yeah he said yes on the last the last I streamed before I got here all right uh the patriarchy
03:32:48
Brian Atlaswins in the end you know so wait question for Sophie you seemed pretty that was a pretty solid hand raise there you're the quickest to draw uh how do you Define
03:32:58
Sophiepatriarchy um into the mic please into the mic I think
03:33:09
Sophieit's I don't know the right word but it prioritizes men in society and gives them kind of an advantage and do you
03:33:18
Brian Atlasthink here in the United States we have that that certain degree yes how so
03:33:30
Sophieum I feel
03:33:35
Sophielike yeah there's still some jobs that need to be equal wage for both and I feel like again with the pro-choice and
03:33:44
Sophieum with the abortion things it's like men do not have the right to get an abortion I was about to say it's that's
03:33:53
Sophienot really a gendered issue you are really right but they do have the right to get a woman pregnant and hands off no
03:34:03
Sophieno not them for no not really yes you can they can for child support but I don't think that's comparable to having to have a child yeah they should probably for Force the man to get
03:34:14
Sophiemarried to the woman yeah no I don't think so then you're just keeping yourself stuck for life just because a man gets you pregnant does not mean you're going to raise a big happy family that's not
03:34:25
Sophierealistic tougher it might be a trickier but it' be you know B child support for years and and potentially jailed go to jail it's actually interesting when it
03:34:36
Brian Atlascomes when it comes to child support actually well we as Society have determined that debtor's prisons are immoral and and wrong except when it comes to uh and I think look if you should support your child but it is
03:34:49
Brian Atlasinteresting that the one debt that you can go to prison for typically in a quite gendered way only impacts men yeah but that's good right you should you should go to jail if you don't pay for your children but I there there's look I
03:35:01
Brian Atlasthink you you ought to support your children you ought to pay if if you've been now I do think there are certainly cases where it the the amount can be disproportionate to the man's income and
03:35:13
Brian Atlasthere are men who are in financial Straits and they actually while they might very well desire to support their child just due to their own financial and economic circumstances they can't
03:35:24
Brian Atlasand then they get they wind up in the criminal justice system unjustly get married though I think they work that out in like normal people like if you don't make that much money then they'll like okay you pay $50 a month or
03:35:36
Brian Atlaswhatever sure it's it is I think in a lot of States it's based on your income but there could be there certainly maybe some scenarios where they set the child support and the man encounters some sort
03:35:46
Brian Atlasof immediate economic or financial hardship and then next you know he's missing his child support payments or can't pay the whole thing because he has I don't know maybe medical expenses or something and then he's in jail and he
03:35:59
Brian Atlascan't pay for anything I don't think so I think he needs to go to court and like make that be known sure sure yes but there you do I my understanding is there's uh tens of thousands if hundreds
03:36:10
Michael Knowlesof thousands of men per year who do go to jail for not paying child support the family courts are definitely stacked against men that's for sure true but also like men should pay for their kids and really they should just get married and then it should be harder to get divorced and then you then you don't
03:36:24
Naomi Lynnhave to deal with the courts so much I have a question do you think women should have to pay child support if they make more than the man and they're not married equality and the and the man is raising the kid not the woman no the woman's raising the kid oh well then it
03:36:36
Michael Knowleswouldn't be child sport then it would be like alimony or something to the man right but if they weren't married then there wouldn't even be you're saying you're saying the man has zero custody or is it split custody no it's split custody oh it's oh it's like 50/50 if
03:36:49
Michael Knowlesthe man would have to pay under those circumstance those same exact circumstances then yes that's my the whole thing though is just so crash youd prefer people ious just stay married and we should order our laws to not encourage divorce and we should just have them raise their kids like normal
03:37:02
Madison Vupeople I feel like some people need to get a divorce I think divorce should be fine and I think having children of woodlock is fine but I think it's not fine for the kids certainly the circumstances with dcss and the interference of if you do have issues
03:37:15
Madison Vulet's say you get evicted from your home and you're not able to afford dcss the child support that's what it is then unfortunately that circumstance is really hard processing everything with dcss is really really hard for a lot of
03:37:26
Madison Vufamilies either the mom who actually has the custody or the father that doesn't and it's a really unfortunate thing and it does come into people unfortunately going to prison when circumstances actually just drastically changed and Al
03:37:38
Madison Vuas well it also affects not only the child because they obviously can't have their food they can't have their goods that they're they're supposed to be supported with but as well the mother or whoever that other parent is and it's
03:37:50
Michael Knowlesjust a really hard topic as is yeah it's a the child support stuff is really awful but we're talking about depriving a kid of like his school supplies or whatever but like the much worst thing is to deprive a child of one of his
03:38:01
Michael Knowlesparents right and so if you say like well divorce is no big deal and people should be able to do it no it has terrible effects on those spouses but especially on the kids
03:38:11
Maddiesuch Extremes in certain circumstances it's like with abortion it's like it's like with abortion in certain circumstances like has to happen like certain circumstan with divorce and marriage like you need to get like some
03:38:24
Maddiepeople need to get divorced I don't I don't really know if that's true but C like cly in abusive relationships you think a woman just cuz she's married to to a man in in abusive marriage or something
03:38:36
Michael Knowlesyou know wife or a husband's beating his wife then there could be always like there's not so in a certain circumstance there there is a good moral argument to have some kind of a separation or
03:38:49
Michael Knowlesperhaps even a civil divorce if that were required to prot do you agree with that if a woman is getting abused that she should be able to divorce her I I don't think that divorce is a sacramental reality I think that it marriage is is eternal and uh I think
03:39:02
Michael Knowlesthat uh even practically speaking when people get a divorce they don't really get a divorce because they're speaking to their ex spouse all the time and they're arranging child visits and arranging out so just as a practical matter you are still just kind of
03:39:14
Michael Knowlesmarried to this person and you have a bad marriage but uh which is why I would strongly discourage divorce if there's a case where for the protection of a child or someone you need to have a separation for okay I understand there are these sorts of uh exigencies but more broadly
03:39:28
Michael Knowlesspeaking what we're talking about in the American divorce regime is called no fault divorce and no fault divorce is one a contradiction in terms you can't get it you you can't break a contract if there's no fault of anyone and two it's horrific for children and it's horrific
03:39:41
Naomi Lynnfor the spouses I would like a percentage of how many no fault divorces there are they're like all no fault divorces today but obviously someone's at fault so I think in certain scenarios it can be more beneficial to a child to
03:39:54
Naomi Lynnbe divorced than to stay together and have an unhealthy I mean my parents got divorced when I was twoone parents got divorced are remarried like they're cool everyone's Co think you have uh suffered
03:40:06
Naomi Lynnuh bad bad outcomes as a result of their divorce um more bad out come seeing my family fight yeah than when they were separated I don't know that that's definitely a thing that divorced parents tell children and tell Society I'm I'm
03:40:18
Naomi Lynnan adult so that's you were you were a child of divorce thank you for pointing that outk you you're saying my parents opinion versus my I'm saying that as a 25-year-old adult but I think a lot I think a lot of people tell themselves a
03:40:30
Michael Knowleslot of things that aren't true but but you know that's so funny and I and the the outcomes the outcomes of parent of kids of divorce on any level when you're looking
03:40:41
Michael Knowlesat uh likelihood of getting married and having a stable relationship when you're talking about finances when you're talking about avoiding poverty when all of these things uh when you talk about
03:40:51
Michael Knowlesbeing at risk of uh assaults sexual and otherwise the the likelihood of that happening in a case of divorce is much much higher than for children with married parents and you might say well my parents don't like each other and
03:41:02
Michael Knowlesthey fight all the time yeah okay well having mommy and daddy at home look first of all they should just figure it out and have a good marriage but short of that the the the evil wrought by divorce is difficult to overstate and
03:41:15
Michael Knowlesalso because it's the fundamental building block of society it's the basic political unit so you break that up and you're going to have a breakup of society which is what we've seen But if the fundamental buildup that you witness is always either abuse or NE or Em I'm
03:41:28
Madison Vunot in any way defending a guy treating his wife I'm saying it's also not just men onto woman it can be woman onto men as well but emotional all things I think they saying that there's circumstances it's not too
03:41:40
Michael Knowlessituations it is more beneficial that was my whole but when we're when we're talking about divorce in America we we're really not talking about that circumstance I'm not saying it doesn't happen but mostly it's you speak in just
03:41:52
Madison Vuextremes when no I'm speaking in the majority of cases if you're talking divorce the actual like filing a divorce yes it's not always easy it's not always exactly without fault like you're saying but then Separation on the other hand
03:42:05
Madison Vuthat's a much larger scale more families are separated as opposed to divorce formally and that is to serve the real like fixing and the real like comfort of saving and protecting a child or a
03:42:16
Madison Vufamily member or the husband or that wife my family we my parents I think they suffered when I was two and a half and had they been together I would have been more abused I would have been through more trauma that's how I feel as well for that reason it can happen yeah
03:42:29
Michael KnowlesI'm not I'm not denying that there there's in the case of like the abuse of a child or something uh there is a good moral argument for some kind of a separation even if the sacramental reality of divorce is not such
03:42:40
Michael Knowlesbut again that's not first of all I think you've all expressed maybe not you as much that divorce comes along with very bad things uh but furthermore it
03:42:52
Maddiewhat we're talking about American divorce we're not usually talking in the vast majority of cases we're not talking about what I think we all agree in the sense that a child doesn't deserve divorced parents but we all agree in the sense that women shouldn't have to stay in a relationship with a man that
03:43:04
Maddiethey're being abused in or those those circumstances that aren't just for no reason we just want to get a divorce and move because we're not happy so we agree on no fault divorce I agree I think no woman should ever have to stay in a
03:43:15
Sophiesituation she doesn't want to be in no matter the position or vice versa or vice versa vice versa both ways both ways if a man or a woman wants to leave a relationship they should never be trapped just because that's what the
03:43:28
MaddieBible says hon figur that out before they got married they should have figured that out before they got married if they didn't want to be together but sometimes doesn't work out like that exactly and that's what I was kind of relaying was regardless of the emot traumas or
03:43:40
Madison Vuthe damage that might have been done all in all if somebody chooses to separate or divorce formally because there's just no pleasure there's no fun there's no fundamental real relationship any further just because they have a child
03:43:51
Michael Knowlesmind you that's only 18 years then they shouldn't have to stay together they they should prioritize their own sense of fun over the wellbeing of their
03:44:02
Madison Vuchild mental health no no but we're in this case we're own their very own wellbeing and onto the well-being that they're expressing in front of their child if I'm unhappy and I don't love my
03:44:13
Maddiehusband and I have a child and they're witnessing that I'm just always un how about you put on a happy face for the good of your kid okay so should you have a child and you made a vow to stay with your if your wife went
03:44:25
Michael Knowlesout next week and cheated on you would you stay with her absolutely you would stay with her I would not divorce my wife under any circumstance you would stay with her my wife try to kill Mecum and my wife might try to kill me I don't think she'd cheat on me but she might try to kill me and under no circumstance
03:44:37
Naomi Lynnwould I divorce my wife if your wife went and cheated on you she could do anything there's no circumstance which was wor my well that's a very extreme belief so of course he feels that way
03:44:48
Brian Atlasit's just all of our opinions exactly why we're here talking why we're debating can I think of a couple scenarios I prefer you didn't and throw them no no it's not going to be anything
03:44:59
Brian Atlasvulgar or anything let me throw out a few scenarios and you tell me and I think I know what the answer will be but I'll do it anyways she voted for Joe
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Michael KnowlesBiden now listen rules have exceptions and I'm no I'm no exeet when it comes to Holy Scripture and so look is there I'm sure there must be some
03:45:19
Michael KnowlesTheologian somewhere who points out that if this woman has so renounced her reason Checkmate yeah then maybe in that circumstance I we ought to kick her out of the house but I but I would you would
03:45:30
Brian Atlasgive me pause what I'm saying what about this yeah you find out how long you've been together with your wife uh married five and a half years five and okay let's say during the uh 2016 president presidential election she had voted for
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Michael KnowlesHillary Clinton also I actually don't know if she voted for Trump I don't really exactly no she must have I don't remember she at least was tempted a lot of people were kind of tempted but but
03:45:55
Michael Knowleslisten if we're talking look I I assume my wife made the right choice I don't but even if not I would say as we were talking about earlier the past is
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Michael Knowlesthe past as long as as long as because we got to talk about Penance and making right as long as she votes for Trump several times in this election because you know the Dems are going to be voting like five times a person so as long as
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TTS/Donationsshe goes it with puts a mustache on or whatever and she keeps cycling and votes for Trump a minimum of 12 times okay I I would be I oh we have G Motorsports
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TTS/Donationsdonated $200 80% of divorces are initiated by women a large percentage of those are because she is not happy men suffer through divorce the percentage of
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Cindy Zangdivorces involving abuse are very low accuracy matters can you look up the percentage involving abuse but I feel like there's a lot of men that are up in the head you know what I mean so that's why that's
03:46:54
Brian Atlaswhy there's a divorce and also shouldn't they just like work on the they're bored I think that's probably most divorces all they're just bored look I'm I'm not saying of course abuse absolutely exists
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Brian Atlasbut like I think I agree with him it's probably most of the time it's just like what's irreconcilable differences I'm bored I want some new
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Maddiesexual I need a conscious decoupling because I mean in that case I don't think it's right to get divorced then yeah if you have kids like certain you have kids certainly not they shouldn't
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Michael Knowlesbe getting married in the first a commitment though but how many times people break contracts like that's why lawyers exist people break contract there are consequences to Breaking contracts except for this one odd circumstance St when it's the
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Michael Knowlesfundamental social there's consequences to everything yeah but in this case we're saying it's no fault no harm no fou see you later but like no man you know you made a vow what if it's mutual yeah all the more so no you don't you don't get out of lifelong vows
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Maddieespecially if you have kids I mean I don't I I AG I agree with you in a sense totally totally CU you get it get she gets it I I don't get it I disagree with you Naomi definitely gets it I definit def you tell them and you have a vow to
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Maddiesomeone that you're going to spend the rest of your life with them I think you that to them but there is some circumstances where I think it's okay to get a divorce could you imagine just being absolutely miserable every day waking up with someone who you usually don't want to be together then how about
03:48:20
Michael Knowlesyou like work on your attitude and make the marriage work instead of just cutting and running at the first trouble not you work on it yeah don't you know if if you no I think if it's both people
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TTS/Donationsunhappy donated $200 here my big sister felt I was alive as an embryo do I thank God she helped mommy out of a dark Place do talk her out of aborting me do him glad she loved
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Naomi Lynnme enough to tell Mom what to do with her body and keep me wow awesome okay that is an interesting well that's a blessing for you I'm very happy you're alive too but I mean that's not