Michael Knowles DESTROYS Whatever Podcast?! Are OF/E-Girls Traditional?! | Dating Talk #132
Date: 2024-02-02
Duration: 6h 08m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_02Sophie(guest)
SPEAKER_03Nicollet(guest)
SPEAKER_06Michael Knowles(guest)
SPEAKER_07Madison Vu(guest)
SPEAKER_09Maddie(guest)
SPEAKER_10Cindy Zang(guest)
SPEAKER_11Mia Huffman(guest)
SPEAKER_12Naomi Lynn(guest)
Key Moments
00:06:38
IntroMichael Knowles introduction - 'I am a cigar salesman and I do not yet do only fans'
“I'm Michael nolles I am a cigar salesman and I do not yet do only fans and I don't intend to”
00:08:08
Key MomentSophie reveals her ex-fiance was born female and transitioned to male mid-engagement
“when we started dating he said I'm a woman I want to be treated like a woman and then he transitioned”
01:32:49
QuoteNaomi Lynn reveals she left a six-figure corporate director-of-sales job for OnlyFans
“I was a director of sales... six figures regardless... I quit it to do only fans”
01:35:35
QuoteMaddie discloses she's made $200-300K from sugar daddies and 100-200 paid dates
“probably a few hundred thousand... should we say 300,000 safe number”
01:43:46
QuoteCindy reveals a fan pre-paid $10K to spit on him; meetup not yet happened
“one of my fans said they would pay like $10,000 for me to spit on them... yeah I said yeah I'm down”
02:07:06
QuoteMichael Knowles on the road to redemption for OF girls: stop, then go to church
“the very first thing I would recommend doing is stop... go to church as much as you want to”
02:20:44
ControversyCindy accuses Brian of subscribing to her OnlyFans after seeing 'Brian Atlas' in her subscriber list
“I saw in my statements as this your your first and last name”
03:49:31
QuoteRatings round - Brian self-rates as a 5 due to gained weight/dad bod
“I used to rate myself a six however I've gained a bit of weight... I'm now a five cuz I got a bit of a dad bod”
11:12:00
Key MomentMadison Vu discloses frat-rat history at Cal Poly Pomona; walked in on by frat members
“I used to go to Cal Poly Pomona I was a little frat rat... walked in on by the whole frat no just like large groups”
Topics Discussed
00:05:39
Guest introductions and relationship statuses
Guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Then relationship status round. Sophie's broken engagement to a trans man is a major discussion point.
01:25:00
OnlyFans and sex work economy
Discussion of sugar daddies, pay pigs, 'What's Your Price' app, escort-adjacent paid dates. Maddie describes 100-200 paid dates and a $100K sugar daddy. Cindy discusses a fan paying $10K to spit on him.
02:10:00
Michael Knowles debates OF girls on relationships and marriage
Michael Knowles challenges the panel on how OnlyFans/sex work affects long-term relationship prospects. Discussion of whether women can 'have it all' and still find a quality partner later.
03:06:40
Feminism, equal pay, women's sports
Maddie says she supports feminism but 'not over the top'. Discussion of WNBA pay equity, women's soccer, and whether equal pay demands are consistent.
03:18:20
Aliens, religion, and the supernatural
Michael argues aliens are 'just demons for libs' and there's no evidence for extraterrestrial life. Cindy and Naomi say they'd date an alien if rich/attractive enough.
03:49:31
Self-ratings round (looks 1-10)
Everyone rates their looks 1-10. Most women say 10. Brian rates himself 5 (gained weight, dad bod). Michael rates himself 8.
03:56:40
Dating preferences and exclusivity
Brian explains he wants women who are exclusively interested in him from first date; no other men in the picture. Panel pushes back on this as unrealistic.
04:08:20
Plastic surgery debate
Debate over labiaplasty, breast implants, BBLs. Naomi (SPEAKER_12) reveals she had a labiaplasty during a year of celibacy. Brian argues plastic surgery is a proxy for mental illness or excessive vanity.
04:30:00
Religion, Christianity, and porn
Michael Knowles debates Cindy on wearing a cross while doing porn. Sophie discusses her Biblical scholarship and her non-denominational Christian background. Broader discussion of Catholicism, Bible translation, abortion.
05:25:00
Makeup and physical deception
Brian argues makeup is deceptive; panel defends makeup as self-expression. Comparison to men wearing shoe lifts or toupees. Makeup transformation videos shown.
Transcript
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01:54:21
TTS/Donationsin your Maddie's CPA donated $200 to be clear he only gifted her $334,000 last year which is the maximum he could give as a joint F yeah that's
01:54:34
Michael Knowlesvery important for the agents to see that so even if you just wanted to have a career for whatever reason like all the time that you're spending on this right now is time where you're producing this content but the content is not
01:54:44
Michael Knowlesgoing to build up the potential for a career after you know old father time sets in and you're not going to be able to sell for as much money and get 300,000 bucks off your tricks so would wouldn't it be I had I had a buddy who
01:54:56
Michael Knowleswas a a twitch gamer he would just play video games on Twitch and people would give him money for it and people do that for me too I'm a streamer so part of the reason he stopped doing it he was making good money but he stopped doing it because he said I'm not building any
01:55:08
Michael Knowlesskills I'm not building anything that's productive for me so when when this money runs out it's it it looks like big money now it's very tempting but once it's gone it's gone and then I'm going to be left with without skills to do a
01:55:19
Michael Knowlesjob and then more importantly I might be impeded from having what I really desire which is a family and that's a valid point that's a very valid point I think in my
01:55:29
Maddieopinion right now because I know how much money I'm making it's my job to budget it and save it in a way that if I'm ever in the position later on in life that I'm not doing this job anymore and I need to figure out what I can do
01:55:41
Cindy Zangnext how much money is enough Nick can you close the door you can always you can always okay here's the thing with money you can always make money like money is in
01:55:52
Cindy Zangeverything you can have you can have a billion dollars in your bank account and you like live in your Manion and it can all be gone unhappy and everything um I
01:56:02
Naomi Lynnthink what's important is like actually enjoying what you do uh your purpose on Earth and keep doing new things doing the good things start new businesses like there's it's not just like oh when you quit what
01:56:15
Maddieyou're doing like you're like oh like you can you you can use that money and your I used my only fans money to start up like a clothing company of my own too so like I mean I know like there's other
01:56:28
Maddiethings that I'll build throughout the years of my own too that I'll be able to fall back on those when I know there's there's going to come a day when I'm going to say I don't want to do only fans anymore when that day is I don't know but I know when it comes I'll have money saved up to where I'll be able to
01:56:40
Michael Knowlesdo that my only point is if you're saying I'm doing it now because I'm just get money is so good I just got to keep making more money I will tell you having gone from not having really any money to having some money it you think there's a
01:56:51
Michael Knowlesnumber you're like if I make x amount then I'll stop doing this thing there there's no real number you just the more you get you just you're going to want more of it and I think if you're setting yourself up in a position you yeah if
01:57:02
Maddieyou say this is the number you're going to keep doing it I agree I just also came from like I came from nothing like I didn't grow up with this this lifestyle yeah that I've been thrown
01:57:12
Maddieinto I have to remind I was raised in a trailer park like I was I was raised with nothing like that's why so tempting so for me yeah now that I can support myself and support the people that are
01:57:25
Michael Knowlesin my life that I want to support it's all worth it to me but you're justifying it to yourself yes I am but but you could do something else and I definitely could and I do do other things like I said I started I'm saying could do something else in lie of this and you'd still be able to support yourself you
01:57:39
Michael Knowleswouldn't have as much money though I agree with you so that's not really the justification the justification is hey I came from nothing I've never had any money in my life oh my goodness I'm making such an insane amount of money I'm living this crazy lifestyle how can I possibly say no to that but the the
01:57:52
Michael Knowlesanswer is because it might be hurting me in the long run right sorry say that again because it might hurt me in the long run if I'm not developing certain skills and if I'm not moving forward to what skills am I not developing any other job you would be doing but I've
01:58:04
Maddiebeen working since I was 14 years old I've had I was a preschool teacher before this started I've served in restaurants you could do you could do a ton of things I've Nanny done all different types of weird you know whatever I have acquired other skill sets throughout the years but every
01:58:17
Michael Knowlesminute that you spend doing this is a minute not spending building up a skill or forming a relationship that that might pay off later on in a better way I disagree that only fans Creator you can't build other skills you can but not
01:58:30
Cindy Zangwhile you're doing only fans unless entrepreneur there's 24 hours in a day in the time there's 24 hours in a day I'm sure you can manage your time and no yeah you you're right you'll have other hours perhaps to do something else but that's not what I'm
01:58:42
TTS/Donationssaying what I'm saying is every and you spend more than a minute or your only fans every donated $200 how many of you girls would be proud of or happy if your daughter or little
01:58:53
TTS/Donationssister engaged in this work Behavior or attitudes here just really quick around the table go ahead if it's her calling if it's you know my her calling yeah her
01:59:04
Cindy Zangcalling to do this kind of work like make bj videos well if she wants to I
01:59:09
Cindy Zangmean like but like no um if if she feels comfortable making content wait that um that was me that
01:59:23
Brian Atlaswas you holy I don't know if anybody do you guys know that song I'm Blue Dao d i that was I don't know if the viewer
01:59:33
Brian Atlaslike the way you said it sounded like the start of I'm blue did anybody did the chat okay I'm s
01:59:41
Brian Atlasdid y was it was uncanny what band was it it was Eiffel 65 or something did anybody else hear the I'm blue
01:59:52
Brian Atlasanybody did anybody else okay I don't know Jesus okay what response to the TTS would you be cool with your daughter or sister I guess no doing doing that if it
02:00:03
Sophiemade them happy yeah made them happy okay what about you I definitely would not want my daughter or little sister to do it just because of things that come along with it that I've heard about but I don't think I'm the moral police and I
02:00:16
Maddiefeel like my responsibility would be to just be there for them and continue them regardless they're not getting cut off if my daughter decides she wants to do this I understand but my daughter's also never going to be in the position to have to do what I had to do because
02:00:27
Madison Vushe's going to be taken care of did I'd be neutral neutral about it I think I'd support them regardless I obviously wouldn't want that I would expect you to say the opposite you were saying so many sensible things earlier
02:00:39
Madison VuI'm still very sensible I obviously like I said it brings bad just as she as she said as well but it's not that I'm going to hate her or you would hate but would you would you desire it for for her no I wouldn't I wouldn't desire it for her
02:00:51
Naomi Lynnwait really quick I want to clarify you said if she had to do it but like in my scenario is like I was working a corporate job where I was making six figures and I quit it to do only fans so
02:01:03
Naomi Lynnhow much do you make now six figures do you make more or less or say it doesn't matter six figures regardless okay well six figures you know there's a big range was your
02:01:13
Brian Atlasjob before was your job before Oh I was a director of sales no I wasn't actually wait I I do want to wrap up here a little bit on not the show but on the
02:01:24
Brian Atlasthe sugar daddy conversation then I need to get a couple chats in uh who who else has had the similar tricks tricks my uh my fans
02:01:37
Cindy Zangtweeted and it's fine ni can fix that I guess one the mics fell it's fine so one of my
02:01:46
Cindy Zangfans said they would pay like $10,000 for me to spit on them mhm mhm you had that stop
02:01:55
Cindy Zangit right did you take did do it yeah I said yeah I'm down did he pay so you did it yeah he he you 10K yeah he did okay
02:02:06
Cindy Zangso you met up with him in person spit on well he hasn't he hasn't we're still planning on it wait we're still planning on the meet up he already sent me the money oh he already sentent the money you don't even have to spit on him now
02:02:18
Brian Atlaswell I don't when weet Contra he didn't receive I guess that's crazy he could is this like a spit on him and leave or spit on him and ask him
02:02:29
Cindy Zanghow his day was yeah dead ass like does he want to stay and talk afterwards that's a good question over there
02:02:37
Brian AtlasCindy uh yeah uh he wants to hang out talk get to know me he's a fan so does is that before the spit or after the spit he sent the money we're
02:02:50
TTS/Donationssecuring it you know what I mean $200 I'm
02:03:05
TTS/Donations[Music]
02:03:11
Brian Atlasblue it takes me right that's that's absolutely beautiful um wait so so my question was though do like as soon as you see him is it like you're going for
02:03:23
Cindy Zangit or is there a probably hold hold on do you build a bit of Rapport first before the spit yeah definitely we have you know a relationship he has my number
02:03:34
Maddiewhen we meet up he probably wants me to spit in his mouth that oh that's wow okay so is it like I don't know where he wants me to spit but like I'll like that's no no no you need to find that
02:03:46
Michael Knowlesout before actually he already paid you it don't even go good times here let me get a couple chats he'll be a trick if you don't give him anything he's just a trick just a trick I learned that today trick we need
02:03:58
Brian Atlaslike I would I wouldn't do that I want him to be to Contin Atlanta has its own vocabulary I swear to you okay here let me read a couple chats here uh we have Bender the offender do these ladies
02:04:09
Brian Atlasrealize that by them being involved in the cornography industry they will be unintentionally trapping themselves in a constant cycle of
02:04:19
Brian Atlasregret and relationship issues your thoughts well we've kind of talked about that talked about that Bender the
02:04:30
Brian Atlasoffender how about show of hands do you realize do you realize oh yep we realize or do you not realize I Just Disagree realiz
02:04:40
Michael Knowlesore great honest great honesty like the the first step to doing anything really that is like edifying is to like face reality Hest very good no like you can
02:04:51
Brian Atlashave your own opinion on it and yeah everyone you know what though here's my I I do have a thought on this is that to what degree is it cope when it comes to
02:05:03
Brian Atlasoh these girls who do porn and only fans they're just going to be miserable the rest of their lives and never find a partner when what if what's going on in society is shift I don't know if it's the Overton window if that that would
02:05:15
Brian Atlasapply to this but it's shifting to the point where it's there so many women involved in it it's becoming more and more acceptable men are having uh
02:05:25
Brian Atlasthere's fewer women that are falling into more tradition like uh Mo modesty or tradition um to the point where they are just going to have to accept and
02:05:36
Michael Knowlesquote unquote settle for this sort of thing but the women have to settle for the men too because the men are all like you whatever 95% of these men are looking at porn regularly anyway so you know it's a kind of a
02:05:48
Michael KnowlesMutual degradation which is not to recommend it but uh godamn what you know there like there is another option dropping you might be right okay um we
02:05:58
Brian Atlashave Fally here sup Michael Su two at whatever podcast panels in two days and you're the official reviewer for Tom McDonald songs busy man also been
02:06:10
Brian Atlaswaiting months to say this love the hairstyle stay truthful bro thank you you know I've had this hairstyle since I was six my dad has does he he a man has great taste can we
02:06:22
Brian AtlasGoogle can we do a Google of young Michael nles and it's true I found some some like back during your acting years same same hairstyles I
02:06:34
Michael KnowlesI had one back in my derel listen we talked about all the shameful things I ever did party too much you know go dating around stuff the most shameful obviously is being a professional actor
02:06:45
Michael Knowlesand I I had this head shot once where I had glasses on and I I looked exactly like Rachel mat the left-wing commentator and I yeah I looked like a a lesbian and that's why I don't wear them
02:06:57
Michael Knowlesnow I love that for you you probably look so cute stop of course you have that opinion you know I I you might be kind of blurry for me right now but I can't I can't wear
02:07:09
Brian Atlasthem anymore I you got us you're a little blurry for ni little how many what you got 12 yeah all right look at look at this oh my go come on out
02:07:20
Michael Knowlesthat's so cute on okay here we go what is that tell you what let me tell that
02:07:31
Michael Knowlespicture that picture from a that was from a Yale thesis film and I'm laying in bed in this film there's another fella we're not doing anything we're lying in bed with it I want to tell well no there's a lot wrong with it but what I will say is that is the most
02:07:44
Michael Knowlesheterosexual thing ever to happen at Yale University and I won't hear otherwise from anyone yeah wow okay nice interesting nice it's amazing though you know I when I was an actor I played all
02:07:54
Michael Knowlesthese parts I I was a football player in a in a play or movie I was a soldier I did this no one ever brings those up nobody but you play one half gay guy in a Yale thesis film all of a sudden that's the only one they want to talk
02:08:07
Michael Knowlesabout just one just one why do you think there's something wrong with that well because I think that men and women are made for each other and the Sexes are complimentary and that the t- loss of our sexuality is to get married and have children
02:08:19
Cindy Zangthat's really depressing I have to agree I think God agree with me yeah I agree with you cuz I feel like God said that like you know we have two genders a girl and a guy and
02:08:30
SophieAdam and Eve not Adam and Steve man exactly you know exactly World also sorry go ahead no no no go ahead go ahead go I was going to say the world also isn't how God intended right now
02:08:40
Sophiethe world is very different cuz it's falling well yeah yeah yeah okay all right good times I don't consider myself very religious but I consider myself spiritual and never have I ever I do
02:08:52
Sophiebelieve in God and I believe in a lot of the things the Bible says never have I ever felt a certain type of guilt for being gay um I don't think you're gay though I don't think I don't think you say you're you know I think the way that
02:09:04
SophieI see you don't think she's she's gay if I don't even really know I mean sure I I take your word for it that you're attracted to women I'm very attracted to women I love nothing more than women I think I'm very gay I think I'm the most gay I could ever be I thought you said
02:09:17
Sophiethat you like guys too you know my dad used to think my dad used to think it was a phase 2 and so did all my siblings and so did all my friends and then they saw the way I act around women and how crazy I become when I really like a women you're definitely gay you told us
02:09:30
Sophieat the beginning of this show that you were bisexual yeah I guess I'm a little 5% bisexual I have a 5% for men out there there you go yeah there is a test I wish there was a test for it that would give me an easier answer yeah no look I mean people people have all I
02:09:42
Maddiemean it's a Fallen World so we have all sorts of disordered uh desires and things I'm not saying we need to Chuck I don't think my desire for Wom is disordered I've never seen Sophia not with a woman like I've never seen her like look at believe 95% I believe I've
02:09:55
Maddienever seen her look at a man and think I want him but I've seen her look at women and say I want her I have to have her or else I'm going to go clinically insane you said you wanted kids I do want kids the way to have kids is with there's other ways to have kids that's just the
02:10:08
Sophietraditional way brought without a guy adopting a child sperm donor I could adopt there's a lot of kids in the you know adoption syst
02:10:18
TTS/Donationshere in the US that Po's mom donated $200 raise your hand if you have ever lied on social media posting yacht picks your friend's mom took you on bonus
02:10:29
Naomi Lynnpoints if you brought Coke and did adult content on a family trip okay who that's all the last part Twisted the last part I have made contact on a
02:10:40
Brian Atlasfamily trip okay my family knows I do only so they're very I'm going to get I do that's my mom trying to start drama because we got in a big fight so just okay all right wait hi Mommy oh is that
02:10:52
Sophiedirected to you yeah that's directed me my mom's trying to start drama we got in a big fight you and your mom are beefing we don't create no I don't create she's talking about your mother posted that
02:11:03
Brian Atlasyes can we move on my mom is very um serious cool these chicks live life on easy mode actually that's what I was going to say with the $300,000 thing uh 100K some guys don't even make that per
02:11:16
Brian Atlasyear it took me 10 plus years to get to 400 year in salary and this chick is 19 how the F can men respect you I don't if I I actually don't think it's easy NE right you've talked about
02:11:28
Michael Knowlesall these ter well she just went away but all these like awful things you have to put up with like stalkers and Weirdos and you know you're producing all I actually don't think it's that easy and and it comes with all sorts of emotional mentally it's not yeah yeah so I
02:11:40
TTS/Donationsactually don't I think like the I think you pay for it in the end you you do cost times donated $27 go ladies of the panel you should have families if not just to propagate
02:11:52
Brian Atlasyour beautiful genes men need to propagate the patriarchy Smiles start now in a new skill wow okay lovely way to say that
02:12:02
Brian Atlasthank you Pico steens PCO Steins thank you appreciate it uh yeah I mean to some degree though I mean you I I know you're mentioning the you know the content and
02:12:12
Brian Atlasdeal what what comes with it um but it I mean if if we were to do uh when we're talking about easy I think perhaps this uh chatter whatever fan he said comparatively speaking I don't think
02:12:25
Brian Atlasthere's a lot of 18-year-old men that can can uh finesse money out of middle-aged women to the there there's not like a
02:12:36
Brian Atlascorresponding uh you know thing where 18-year-old men can make that level of money sort of almost by virtue of just
02:12:47
Michael Knowlesbeing can who keeps dropping their hello not I don't know why gravity probably keeps leaping out of the chair no that's true 18-year-old
02:12:57
Cindy Zangmen can't do it for sure but um I have to disagree I think there are men that are able to because of I've met men that are like 18 and they're really like
02:13:08
Cindy Zangsecured in their bag is not middle-aged women buying that content though or you're just saying 18-year-old men can make money other ways yeah yeah Bitcoin or something well if they want to invest in Bitcoin and
02:13:20
Michael Knowlesstuff but I'm just saying there are men that are young that are able to that's true my my associate producer Jacob who's over there he's like 12 years old and that kid that kid's bought two Camaros in the last like month is this true paying him too much two Camaros
02:13:32
Michael Knowlesit's cuz he keeps crashing and blowing them up so he has to get new he I got more of a Mustang vibe from Jacob yeah I thought I got more of like a Mazda Miata vibe from him the first
02:13:43
Michael Knowlestime I met him what about like a Pontiac Firebird yeah like yeah like a like a Pontiac Vibe there you go I like your piercing that's
02:13:54
Brian Atlashot cool story okay we have Eric here donate uh thank you Eric really appreciate your message welcome back Michael you give great advice what cigar do you have today I hope it is an a
02:14:04
Michael KnowlesLinsky special Brian thanks for the great great guests keep doing your thing hey Eric thank you what yeah what is thanks man funny you it's not a Linsky special I'm pleased to announce it's a
02:14:15
Michael KnowlesMayflower dusk cigar a beautiful Ecuador Habano rapper with a Sumatra binder and Nicaraguan filler rolled on the thighs of virgins I tried to go down to the
02:14:24
Michael Knowlesfactory when we were finally in the last stages of producing it I was held up by the the government of the country that is producing them so we had to rout but all well that ends well and they are
02:14:36
Michael Knowleslive again for pre-sale after months of anticipation the largest cigar launch I think in the history of tobacco boom Mayflower cigars.com you have to be 21 years old some exclusions apply I have a question you know prac that huh do you
02:14:48
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02:15:00
Brian Atlasdo a campaign cuz I mean that photo looked like you could do like is it a Mayflower cigar or women's leg or hot dog yeah I do have I can be part of that
02:15:12
Brian Atlasif you want to are you saying you have hot dog I have very hot dog legs sweet okay so did you you wanted to promote the cigar I do want to promote the cigar also quick question thank you AB Che appreciate it thank you for the gifted
02:15:24
Michael Knowles20 memberships go ahead with your question we smoke a cigar together after this I would love to I would love nothing more we should do it here during the show can we light up a cigar we
02:15:34
Brian Atlasunfortunately I rent I rent and my landlord would evct me Welcome to California Welcome to California uh yes I would likely uh get
02:15:46
Brian Atlasevicted so unfortunately cannot smoke here but outside we can all right where were we um I'm trying to think where we were we were we hit uh sugar I think
02:15:56
Brian Atlaseverybody the sugar daddy thing we hit the sugar okay oh s Cindy what so is that the what was the thing that you had you were going to spit in his mouth I
02:16:07
Maddiebelieve yeah he's paying me to spit in his mouth that's disgusting but he already paid her yeah so y wouldn't do that for 10 grand I have to do it huh for 10 grand you would
02:16:19
Maddiesomeone offered you 10K to spit on them you're telling me you'd say no I would say no if I offered you 10 grand I was like spit in my mouth for in life as a 20-year-old as a broke 20-year-old and
02:16:29
Michael Knowlessomeone said you a good I would have been do it here 10K spit you'd say yeah I I would have been tempted to say something like that that's for but but it is kind of it's disgusting right you were disgusted by it they're not
02:16:41
Sophiespitting in your mouth but even you doing it I don't know it's honestly if they offer to SPO in my mouth for 10K I'm doing it yeah me too what I don't do this work and I would spit on
02:16:51
Cindy Zangsomeone so many times for 10K I would I would spit on people even offer to pay for my for my farts what in a jar yeah
02:17:01
Maddieyeah that's crazy I would do that or like my gym socks or like on someone have literally
02:17:09
Maddieoffer ask like they want you to on them stop it get some help yeah okay all right we men are we it's y
02:17:22
Brian Atlasspecies I you know what she's not totally wrong y understand it more than we do we're just making money off of it I blame the these degenerate men who like
02:17:33
Michael Knowlesthrow obscene amounts of money like I also blame the women though here I'm I'm very not judgy blame yeah right Fair we're both to blame if a man
02:17:44
Michael Knowleshas that desire for whatever reason like a charitable woman would not encourage it right you say like yo man you do the Michael Jordan you just be like yo man like get some help go to you know what you don't need you would psychist you
02:17:56
Michael Knowleswouldn't look at someone who said here's 10K if you spit on me and say you need some help you'd say I think at least today look I hope that when I was broke in 20 I hope I would say no thank you sir but I but certainly today certainly today I do not
02:18:09
Michael Knowlesneed $10,000 that bad that I'm going to spit on a guy or sell any of these things and guess I would say sir I would I would give that guy money i' would say Sir here bus fa to go to the
02:18:18
Michael Knowlespsychiatrist and yes that's crazy like $2 you know I guess we're a capitalist I yes and there are problems with capitalism man there are like big
02:18:29
Michael Knowlesproblems because it ultimately degrades to treat people like Commodities and and it it degrades people to the point that everything becomes about material and money and dudes are paying you 10 grand to spit in their face well if it's a
02:18:40
Naomi Lynnspecific kink like and not everyone will act that out for them or like get with it um what my mom's calling me yeah shouldn't
02:18:50
Naomi Lynnthey just like keep that to themselves no because it's up to us as I mean sex workers to say yes we're comfortable with that or no we're not comfortable with that I I think like there's nothing wrong with their Kinks and asking right
02:19:03
Brian AtlasI put a lot of blame on men to be honest on this one I mean like the thing is look I I personally don't really I don't get it because I I think it's the parasocial like you actually get to communicate
02:19:16
Brian Atlaswith these girls although even to what end these girls are don't respect you they're never going to date you they're never going to I mean unless they're actual prostitutes they're never going
02:19:26
Brian Atlasto actually be romantic romantically involved with you so I get I get that there's like the girlfriend experience that get to actually chat with you which even that's dubious because a lot of you
02:19:36
Brian Atlashave typers in Bangladesh who are typing while you're off at everything you're saying actually let me finish what I don't get though if it's strictly about them viewing your
02:19:48
Brian Atlaspornographic content that's what really confuses me bamboozles me is the the immense amount of free pornography that's available how
02:20:00
Michael Knowlesroom temperature IQ do you have to be with the the I think the same thing every the right word here I don't know there's so much free porn why
02:20:10
Brian Atlasyou paying for because it's obviously not about the because it's not the Rel the Rel your with your male a lot of these
02:20:21
Brian Atlasbangladesi so that's not fair to make assumption for everybody I don't have you can't I all my but let me ask you a question just the same thing with these girls who do only fans who have boyfriends they wouldn't admit if they
02:20:34
Brian Atlasdid so if you did have a typer you sure you wouldn't come on here and say by the way I have a typer we've had girl I'm not I'm not going to put anyone on blast but yes girls who say they don't have a typer who say they respond to all the
02:20:46
Brian Atlasmessages have typ well it's not the case for everyone so I just wanted to make that distinction not saying all of them most of them most of them have a tyer a lot of girls to do
02:20:57
Brian Atlasthat and they want to do it on their own but I do I do actually I object to it more than the nude content women who are misrepresenting the degree to which they're going to have a fan interaction it's essentially fraud and
02:21:09
Brian Atlasmisrepresentation if you state that I'm the one talking to you but in actuality it's some manager a male manager you're the dude what do you care it's just a text coming through from your like weird
02:21:20
Naomi Lynnaddiction yeah it's just getting you off if it works then it works if morally I think that's wrong if you are saying specifically I do not have a chatter but you have a chatter I think that's morally wrong because they're paying for a subscription to talk to you
02:21:33
Brian Atlaswell if you it's not even that you say you don't have a chatter but you do it's most women most only fans people wouldn't frame it like that they would say uh personalized texting you're
02:21:45
Naomi Lynnmessaging me but they actually have a I know this is a bit same thing though I'm saying like if they're saying I'm talking to you and they're not I think that's morally wrong and I'll say that as a also actually make the case that
02:21:55
Brian Atlasit's actually uh civil fraud I don't know if it it reaches if it's actually criminal fraud but it's certainly civil fraud I disagree though that you said that we don't respect our followers I
02:22:07
Michael Knowlescompletely disagree with that I actually had like cool dudes that subscribe to fans a romantic you might believe that I'm not even convinced you do believe that but you do not have a single cool dude subscribe I they are all huge
02:22:19
Michael Knowleslosers they are they are they are look it's not cuz you're a very pretty and lovely g but it's if you're subscribing to this stuff
02:22:27
Maddieyou are so deeply pathetic that is your opinion I can say the have a question have you ever been on a site like only fans PornHub have you ever subscribed to anyone's account at any point in your
02:22:40
Michael Knowleslife before you were married maybe it's just cuz I'm too cheap I would never look for all I'm not I'm not I'm not saying I'm like Mr Perfect done plenty of terrible things I would never to your point Brian you know
02:22:51
Brian Atlasthere's plenty of porn out there have you like straight up have you ever paid for someone's page on only fans anything I'll tell you this actually uh I don't want to expose any of the girls on the
02:23:02
Brian Atlasshow we recently did see at girls I did have somebody on my behalf because she she was really claiming that she uh response to all the messages so
02:23:13
Brian Atlasdur during the show I had someone pay for only it was like 10 bucks and send her a message unfortunately we didn't you know we I you just totally
02:23:23
Cindy Zangouted the girl no that's a lie what cuz you subscribed mine huh you're I saw I saw on the statements your name
02:23:33
Cindy ZangBrian you're literally a liar I'm not the literally says Brian let's see there you're literally slandering me right now because no I didn't receips receipt rece what's the email address receipts
02:23:45
Brian Atlasreceips no receipts it doesn't tell you that it says your name you free one was it your free one oh do you have a free one there I do put free are you this
02:23:56
Brian Atlasknow no because well it's sometimes we'll look at the girls from the whatever uh only fans account we look at for like Intel in the same way that we look at your Twitter's and we in Intel
02:24:08
Brian Atlasno literally in they sit in a circle and look for in but this is oh so he does so first off I I'm I'm fairly confident we
02:24:20
Cindy Zangdidn't even look at yours though I saw in my statements as this your your first and last name I mean wow what email pull it up right now look it up no
02:24:33
Maddiebut on only fans you don't see the email you see a username you can't much I'm sure some of you have Donald Trump who have subscribe okay so just say someone car enough to make a
02:24:43
Brian Atlasfake name that was your name but how how am I supposed to it could be you you you don't have to prove it but I don't you know this yeah you don't owe anyone anything
02:24:56
Michael Knowlesif it wasn't you it wasn't you yeah if it wasn't you it wasn't you if it was someone else okay then it wasn't it wasn't what is a free only fans isn't the whole point that you pay money well there's like free ones there's different
02:25:08
Nicolletstrategies I mean if you're going for a free page or a paid page just dep usually when people have free Pages it's like a little tease to get you to subscribe to their page only F oh so you you also have to pay you can see can you
02:25:20
Brian Atlassee the account you can see the username for who subscribes stop raise your hand if you're no no no no no I I I I want a full like uh Vindication of this accusation you can
02:25:32
Brian Atlaslook on your only fans and see the username correct M what was the username your name Brian Atlas
02:25:43
Maddieokay so there actually other Bri I was going to say yeah what's that that that doesn't even make sense for whoever there's other people that have your name you know it's like her to do that but straight up that doesn't make sense
02:25:55
Brian Atlaswell the only only fans account that is owned is the onlyfans.com whatever account so unless it was from that one which I sounds like it wasn't then that's an impostor or somebody who shares my f my first and last name what
02:26:07
Brian Atlaskind of content you post on there oh I mean it's like a troll page we we don't do any adult content like to investigate I would subscribe literally with big
02:26:17
Nicolletlaia woman hey let's not discriminate well I mean you did when you got your laia plassy I or was that a
02:26:27
Naomi Lynnjoke no I'm being dead ass serious that is September 29th 2022 so disappointing 2022 what Leia plasty did that just zoom into your face
02:26:40
Naomi Lynnor something no but it should the dramatic well like my fans like my labia they've never seen my laia the other way
02:26:47
Brian Atlasso Cindy also admitted to me after a show that what I I almost want to like retributively slander you in turn Okay
02:26:59
Brian AtlasOkay um whatever uh let's see exactly whatever exactly whatever I have some pre-show notes Here I want to get into uh oh here's a question that was related
02:27:09
Brian Atlasto we were talking about uh income and money would you rather be a millionaire entrepreneur single with no kids at 35 or a stay-at-home mom with two kids
02:27:21
Cindy Zangmarried to a millionaire at 35 stay at-home with two kids around the table around the table I would rather be a stay a home mom with two kids mared to
02:27:32
Brian Atlasa millionaire yeah I agree with that what was option that I just read yeah sorry the initial Would You Rather Be A Millionaire entrepreneur single with no kids at 35 or a stay-at-home mom with
02:27:45
Sophietwo kids married to millionaire at at 35 it depends who my partner is well you're single whoever you're married to I guess well it would depend who it is say it was a great one a great one I
02:27:56
Maddiethink that's a good option but I'd also like to have my own career well so which of the two if you had to pick by 35 by 35 I want kids yeah
02:28:09
Nicolletprobably good nette yeah personally I don't want to work I do not want a career um I would be a stay-at-home mom sa as well yeah stay at home mom for
02:28:19
Michael Knowlessure okay good to know good to know unanimous decision you guys good choice great yeah it's great you Micha what your answer you know if I had it to
02:28:30
Michael Knowlesdo all over again was I guess I just have a a nice sugar daddy husband couple of kids you know the millionaire no I don't think cuz I kind of am like that's what I was going say aren't you that I
02:28:41
Maddiekind of am the guy and I've got the wife with found a guy who's younger who like actually made m like that and who I actually with and yeah it would be cool it could work out but I haven't
02:28:51
Brian Atlasfound that yet not a trick a guy yeah like a guy my age in his 20s like 25 I did Michael you asked a question which I thought was good or it was more so of a
02:29:02
Brian Atlasstatement I think but uh it was about how the girls don't really like or respect their subscribers and I I mean the way I was kind of approaching it was more from like from a romantic perspective I don't think these are ever
02:29:15
Naomi Lynnmen that you would actually be romantically involved with I would disagree you know that you think so yeah I I like stand by that like some of my Subs are actually really cool mhm yeah I think stopping you from Pur yeah you
02:29:27
Naomi Lynnsaid you've been if they're really cool and you're single I'm not looking for a relationship I said that off fat why that right now I'm not I don't want a relationship right
02:29:37
Naomi Lynnnow okay okay okay does does that make sense you're not looking for how old are you again 25 25 okay do you you want to get married married one day I do yeah
02:29:48
Maddiehave kids yep okay I mean 25 you're you're still okay but uh you know it's no not him telling you you're getting up there is that what you're trying to say are you trying to say I'm getting old are you trying to say she's getting old
02:30:00
Brian Atlashow old are you Brian I'm saying hold on let me ask you a question how old are you right I'm 34 but what I'm saying is nice I'm saying that okay you saw that too you saw that too yeah I saw that that's right the difference is is that
02:30:12
Brian Atlaswhen it for women because when it comes to fertility there is a differential there yeah I graduated with a physiology degree she said I know cool cool
02:30:22
Michael Knowlesstory but the you're you're totally dis disregarding the pursuit of a relationship assuming you're actually single assuming you're actually single
02:30:33
Cindy Zangso to your point I mean you should get married too okay the tables the turn tables have Brian we can talk about this after the show yeah but I also feel like like relationship love relationship
02:30:46
Maddiedoesn't just develop it could it could take a year for you guys to actually you know be in a relationship and you know what I mean so you got to get started not like and I disagree with the whole I disrespect my fans or followers on only
02:30:59
Michael Knowlesfans thing like that's is not true at all like I have respect for yall for sure you say that publicly but I suspect privately you have some degree of content I don't think it's possible to for you I understand why you would say it because that's kind of the show but
02:31:12
Michael Knowleslike I don't think it's possible for you to respect them because they're not worthy of respect at all I mean they're doing a very degrading thing that's your op so wild you all age you all obviously agree with publicly you can't say it no
02:31:25
Michael KnowlesI actually don't with you at all oh yeah so then why don't you go on dates with all these marvelous men because I'm not dating just said I'm not dating dating I don't want to date y'all right I wouldn't date them either if I'm not
02:31:36
Naomi Lynndating in general regardless if you're a follower of my only or not taking fans out of it's like okay I'm not saying I'm famous but like a famous person dating someone that's not famous is completely
02:31:49
Michael Knowlesnot weird you know what I mean a fan of theirs that's not weird I don't think the issue with them isn't that they're obscure the issue with them is they're you know exalting you as you know their object of Desire while they pleasure
02:32:00
Nicolletthemselves to pornography that's what makes it that's that's you don't really think that I do think that I met like a bunch of them this past week and they're like so awesome and I really your job requires you to say nice things about
02:32:11
Maddiethem oh you went to that how was it it awesome I have some friends Sal I didn't see St I love her me too she's so good who Stella Berry is she a she
02:32:22
Naomi Lynncome on the whatever show she was she she anal princess yeah how could I but she's very just like normal she's very like down to earth normal like you should look she was dating or maybe I
02:32:34
Maddiedon't know she was dating one of her fans he lived in a homeless shelter and she dated he they dated for 3 years and they just broke up like a few months ago I think had they gotten married that might
02:32:45
Brian Atlashave been a good counterargument to uh to to my point no yeah I know they didn't they didn't okay uh we have poopies I got to read a couple of these poopy's Mom raise your hand if you're beefing with your mom because she got
02:32:58
Brian Atlastired of you and your friend treating her like a trick so you moved across the country last week okay well I'm not going to wait can I say something hey Mom didn't you go to jail for fraud is this actually your mom that's actually
02:33:09
Sophiemy mom God damn okay good she's about to reverse those Char going on with oh my God hey Mom don't you make a living out of an illegal okay all right all right all
02:33:22
Brian Atlasright let's I don't know what's going on here what uh okay and then there was uh Nick hey Mia since you're single will you date me I think I fall in love how beautiful and mature being on o you're too sweet and I would love to get to
02:33:34
Brian Atlasknow you more I'm a fan who said what what did they say huh I prefer not to answer that one oh okay all right all right there's some meta things
02:33:45
Brian Atlasgoing on here with the okay uh so I'm trying to recall where we were we were going around the table on something I think we everyone answered
02:33:55
Brian Atlasthough so I have some pre-show notes from you guys Naomi Lynn you said the only pre pre-show you provided was uh you dating athletes
02:34:06
Brian Atlasmhm NFL yeah my last ex NBA yeah that was like more
02:34:17
Brian Atlashockey players you stick to the NBA and mostly like football yeah like how many NFL players have you
02:34:25
Naomi Lynndated 3ish H what teams multiply I prefer not to disclose that information was it Travis
02:34:35
Naomi LynnKelce no I wish sorry actually sorry I respect Taylor Swift my bad I don't like to talk NBA players too yeah okay mhm I was an athlete in oh I cheered in college so I just knew a
02:34:48
Brian Atlaslot of athletes already so I I'm glad that you revised that sentence there sorry shots fired well we were in athletics we were treated like Athletics
02:34:59
Brian Atlaswe got everything that they did so I mean gotcha and it I saw that you also that doesn't matter Let's see we
02:35:07
Madison Vuhave uh Mia Huffman did you date future no why do why do I have that in my I'll go by that I'll go by that yeah for sure I did
02:35:19
Naomi Lynnyeah was it a tweet something about future I don't know do you know what I'm talking about what his future I don't know the yeah that be fire always on his toxic
02:35:30
Brian AtlasKing I think You' made this disclosure on another podcast um was there something about a frat that you can tell
02:35:42
Madison Vuus and you've shared the story on other podcasts yeah it's semiu I'm not there's not a story there's multiple stories tell us the multiple stories I used to
02:35:54
Madison Vugo to Cal Poly pona I was a little frat rat I guess um I was in Zeta Alpa Sor Zetas youat um fra rat like I just I loved one fra you had sexual intercourse
02:36:06
Madison Vuwith like not the whole FR no no no no not the whole 70% uh no like a small percentage but I was just always at the frat house I was always just having fun always at parties
02:36:16
Madison VuI was 18 um but yeah that was just I just really love the Frat I was more hardcore about theat than I was my sorority were you oh you were in the
02:36:25
Brian Atlassorority okay so what were some of the stories that you had from the frats just
02:36:33
Madison Vubeing walked in a a lot walked in on by like the whole frat no just like large groups of the Frat like a few people at it like once did they join after no no
02:36:45
Madison Vuno no no no and they stayed no they left that was polite of them yeah they were polite there's not much to say it was
02:36:55
Madison Vujust I was just like always having fun there I was always drunk very messy uh so and a question for you uh you were there any there were no frat
02:37:06
Madison Vuorgies is that nothing that I know of um you're Catholic correct I was raised Catholic raised Catholic are you still Catholic I'm starting to go like monthly with my mom M nice all right that's
02:37:17
Brian Atlasgreat yeah you but you did say also in your notes to us previously that you've learned to support polyam relationships yes while being Catholic because of the dynamic that is becoming modern-day
02:37:28
Madison Vudating that seems a bit contradictory to the Catholic faith I think so we talked about it last time I'd say um I definitely learned that obviously
02:37:40
Madison Vunowadays there's a lot of hookup culture and you guys actually asked them about the hookup culture and not me um I don't engage in it myself but I have learned to accept like that's the reality like younger girls or just anybody we're all like We're Young
02:37:53
Madison Vuwe have sexual drives people are having those like polyamorous technical relationships where they're with multiple people so I've learned to just kind of not that I hate on it at all I don't hate on it I I understand that's just kind of what sexual drive is
02:38:05
Madison Vuespecially nowadays so that's where I come into term where I don't chastise it and say like oh that's terrible they cannot do that they're terrible people they're ultimate Sinners they're not like they're just they are sinners but they're human it's human nature nowadays
02:38:18
Madison Vuno that's not there's nothing radical yeah so it's nothing radical it's just I simply accept it like that's just how D but you say it's not for me it's just not for me yeah yeah yeah okay that's why I'm and you and you wouldn't you say it's not good but it's you know but it's
02:38:31
Madison Vuthe Fallen world that's how I don't feel like good and bad is ever like a good there's not a correct did you catch that I know there's not a correct way to quantify like good or bad anymore nowadays especially in 2024 when did
02:38:43
Madison Vuthat when did that change I think it's changed as we've we've all gotten older like obviously we're almost all in the same age group I just think that no but you said in 2024 in 2024 there's just so many changes there's aside from just
02:38:55
Madison Vuhaving Tinder back in the day which was like six years ago I think is when it started now there's multiple other apps there's Rya for instance there's all these other things there's so much that's going on and changing in our relationship developments and social developments so you can't really have
02:39:09
Maddiethose radical but that changes good and bad or it just changes how Society I think we were all brought up in a way of like don't talk people on the internet you don't know who these people are and now it's like we all meet from the
02:39:20
Maddieinternet we're all here right now from the internet so it's just we on the internet there's good and bad that comes with it so beautiful yeah yeah yeah but it's beautiful thing but you wouldn't want like when we all
02:39:33
Michael Knowlesmeet on the internet here it's through like a producer with a show that we can look up we know it's relatively safe you know whatever whereas still that old advice of like don't meet up with people randos you meet on the internet but we would we didn't know this was safe what
02:39:46
Maddieif we were just getting tricked into coming on a podcast and with this psycho yeah fair enough I guess that's true Anything could happen like really these days that's how a lot of people meet like that's how a lot of jobs happen that's how a lot of
02:39:57
Michael Knowleslike money's made like that's the internet has really changed the world that we live in yeah but it doesn't change like the like morality of like polycules or whatever we were just talking I was just saying like bad and
02:40:08
Madison Vugood it's not that those have exactly changed it's just we've all inched into we can go meet somebody on the internet on Tinder or we can meet somebody on Instagram and DM each other and say we're going to do a podcast I mean she
02:40:18
Brian Atlasmet her ex fiance on what was it Tinder yeah but that was a bad choice there you go that's not a that's not a recomend out unfortunately didn't work out speaking oh go ahead Cindy go ahead my
02:40:29
Cindy Zangneighbor met each other on Tinder and they're still together I feel like it's uh it varies specific the person your experiences and if you had a bad experience I can understand why you
02:40:41
Cindy Zangwouldn't like you know what I mean like if a guy's sling your Instagram DM and you had a bad experience you're like oh yeah I'm never going to find anybody on
02:40:50
Brian AtlasInstagram DM or you know on Tik Tok or whatever but true just true I have a few more pre-show notes Here uh we have something here from Sophie Sophie you
02:41:01
Brian Atlassaid that I think modern dating is toxic and I think hookup culture makes sex boring question for you Sophie have you engaged in hookup culture I have definitely engaged in
02:41:14
Sophiehookup culture while I was in College it was a lot sorry um it was a lot easier to engage in hookup culture just being around that all the time and stuff I've noticed for myself um I don't have fun
02:41:25
Sophiewhen there's no emotion connected and when there's no relationship being built and when agree I'm not looking to the Future and seeing myself with that
02:41:34
Sophieperson um so I think it's toxic at least for me in my mental health I prefer not to sleep with someone and never talk to them again um yeah yeah when uh have you had a rebound I have had so many
02:41:47
Brian Atlasrebounds oh my gosh wait but you said you broke just to be clear uh the engagement was broken up like a month ago was it yeah I haven't had a rebound oh no I meant a rebound since the breakup of your engagement okay well so
02:42:00
Brian Atlasis because you said you have engaged in the hookup culture and you said that makes sex boring is sex now boring for you sex isn't no not if there's a
02:42:08
Brian Atlasrelationship I just think hookup culture is boring to me okay all right we have Maddie here Maddie you say that your ex
02:42:19
Brian Atlascheated on you with a best friend and they still together two years later mhm weird oh that's it okay I thought there was more to the are you still friends
02:42:29
Maddiewith the girl no um it was in high school like you know I dated him for like three and a half years she was always around cuz that was my best friend and then you know it ended up like they were hooking up before I knew
02:42:42
Maddieand then we broke broke it off and for the best cuz I met someone someone who I really loved and enjoyed and it was good for me after that but okay everything happens for a reason we haven't none of us have talked since sure okay you also
02:42:54
Brian Atlassay dating these days is a lot different than how it used to be now dating is like hanging out and hooking up sorry so what was it like um you said dating
02:43:05
Brian Atlasdating these days as opposed to when precisely because I being 19 I don't suspect you've been dating all that long no I don't mean in my own personal life I mean like back in the '90s like when
02:43:17
Maddieit was like you pull up to the front door you shake your mom's hand you like open the car door like oldfashioned yeah I love it wait but guys don't do it that much no but girls don't either the world's changed it's not just
02:43:30
Brian Atlasbut you can there are still guys who would do it and I would I was with one I know do the other women at the table concur with that do you feel like wouldn't that be nice if men were a bit
02:43:42
Brian Atlasmore chivalrous and traditional I just find it respectful if you can shake my mom looking at yourself in the monitor there but would you like guys to be chivalrous
02:43:54
Naomi Lynnand traditional and get you flowers open the car door pay for dinners yeah I would love that like it yeah give me flowers Naomi what about you yeah I feel like you're going to say like oh but like you're not
02:44:07
Michael Knowlestraditional so you don't deserve that so well done well done naom no no it's all right you can still deserve that by virtue of being a woman thank you do you believe that or Ser seriously yeah yeah
02:44:18
Michael Knowlesyou know why did you say wo whoa whoa yeah the I don't know about that one Michael yeah totally it's like you know that's what chivalry is about right that's you know now we hate gender roles we pretend that they're really bad but
02:44:30
Brian Atlasit's good it's good you live up to your your role in your station you're a woman so you open the door for you but but Michael don't you and Matt Walsh actually had a great and he kind of got dragged a little bit for this but Matt
02:44:41
Brian AtlasWalsh has spoken on this a little bit and I I find that I agree with him uh in order to like in order to have an
02:44:52
Michael Knowlesexpectation of traditional treatment from from Men Women must also conduct themselves in a traditional way look that's better but a marriage is is a symbol of the relationship of Christ's love for his church and we don't deserve
02:45:05
Michael Knowlesthe love of Christ but he gives it to us anyway so you know it would be hypocritical and quite backward to say well you know but in the symbol of this great love uh you know we expect more women than we ourselves give to our W
02:45:17
Brian AtlasMichael yeah if I may just i' like I I would like to respond to that um oh God it's
02:45:25
Brian Atlasnot you said expecting more of women but I think it's the the it's a much smaller ask for men for example to pay for First
02:45:37
Brian AtlasDates than it is for us men to ask women to not have nude photographs on the internet I and so sure but I guess yeah I'm agreeing with you that like uh the
02:45:47
Michael Knowlesworld works better when like people are more virtuous and holy and but often we're not and so if you view as I do as is the kind of traditional Christian view that marriage is a symbol of
02:45:59
Michael KnowlesChrist's love for his church then like I think you're just giving people way too much credit here that the people are evil and do terrible things all of the time you know and so yeah you're right like yes women shouldn't be posting
02:46:11
Michael Knowlesthese things and it's bad and it hurts but that doesn't change that's your opinion but I still agree with everything else you're saying thank you it is my opinion and I'm glad you agree with me I the the man still has his responsibility If he if if you're going
02:46:23
Michael Knowlesto view the sexual relations that way that's look that's the traditional view it's the Christian view these days a lot of people don't subscribe to those things but I think they should and you should too Brian yeah
02:46:36
Brian AtlasBrian I guess my ISS my issue is again just this this sort of unilateral one directional expectation of adherence to traditional gender roles there is an
02:46:49
Michael Knowlesexpectation that women would behave in a good way too just as there's an expectation that the church behaves in a good way but sure but it's not a deal breaker I guess is what I'm saying the the the man still has an obligation to act like a man even if the woman is making some
02:47:04
Brian Atlasmistakes girl cannot like cook and clean and take care of children can are you asking me or him being an only fans girl does not preclude you from being able to engage
02:47:16
Brian Atlasin the labor of cooking and cleaning no yeah it's not good for the kids right uh it could it could for example have an impact uh I mean there's a potential impact on the children with uh you know
02:47:28
Maddiebullying for example but them kids and why do the kid would also not be great for mother why would why would the kids you're saying that the kid her kids would like her kids would get
02:47:40
Maddiebullied later later on boys are the most brutal but by that point by the time you're a pre-teen then you can have a conversation with your kid about this is why I did what I did you're going to
02:47:52
Michael Knowleshear stuff about it this is how you go by responding to it no look there's life goes on you can you know there's Redemption and repentance and everything but it's going to be a little rough it's it's still a bad thing you know
02:48:03
Brian Atlasunderstand I don't know maybe I'm out of left field on this one I would prefer if my future wife didn't have photos and videos of her having sexual intercourse with other
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TTS/Donationsmen on the internet that's cool that's I don't know if I'm if that's toxic I don't know if that's toxic I just prefer it's not toxic that's your I just prefer
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TTS/DonationsBobby finina donated $200 thr Michael what does The Road to Redemption look like for these women who are going from being paid for to being a 35-year-old
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Michael Knowlesmother of two and married to a high value male high value man a high value man at hm not a trick not a trick what do you do well look AEL wrote Into Me one time
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Michael Knowlesand said Michael I'm listening to your show and I do only fans and I just found out that a member of my family an uncle or something is subscribed to my only fans and I don't know what to do about it and TR I write it whatever and I said
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Michael Knowlesokay first thing you do stop doing only fans that would be the very first thing I would recommend doing second thing I don't know I don't know if you want to rat your uncle out I I don't know if it's a if it's like a fake name or something maybe it's another guy with the I don't know but the very first
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Michael Knowlesthing that I would recommend doing is is stop that you know it's like uh if you're if you're going down the road and you're going down the wrong road then the very first thing you got to do is stop walking and like turn around and go in a different direction and it's it's
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Michael Knowleseasier for why is he why is he like subscribed though like that that guy CU he's a total like degenerate I guess yeah yeah that's on him it's on the only thing the uncle right the only thing she
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Cindy Zangcan control is this is this bad thing that she's doing you're not recognizing the real issue is that she also do that but it doesn't solve her uncle is having this fantasy about someone that he's related
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Cindy Zangto that's the real problem completely dis so I feel like but is that really the like that's a problem that's a a consequent problem and it could be if she does only fans it's just like at the end of even if he doesn't have only fans he's still going but to the question to
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Michael Knowlesthe question that was asked the question is how do you go from you know you're doing only fans to marrying the 35-year-old millionaire with and getting kids and everything and the blunt answer is the the very first thing you do is
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Michael Knowlesstop very first thing you do actually is go to church as much as you want to and like once a month is a good start and then that kind of starts to change your mind and then at a certain point the next thing you do is you stop doing only fans and you just do anything else and I
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Michael Knowlesdon't know what it is I believe in God even though I partake of course many such cases many such so but but it's very diff even when one change changes one's mind it's a little more difficult to change Behavior so the very first thing you got to do is just stop doing
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Michael Knowlesthe thing that seems to be causing the problem and we have some disagreement or but some agreement about whether or not this is like problematic behavior that is causing you to not quite get to the 35y old millionaire with two kids stage
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Michael Knowlesand so you do that and then you take the next step in front of you so the next step might be some other job The Next Step might be meeting guys Ates both what if we can have only fans and then we can still meet the person we're supposed to end up with and still
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Maddieend up with the two kids and still end up with the house and the life and still have had this time in our 20 I think that's what makes people mad is we like eat it toad because you can't like the
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Michael Knowlesexpression you just used no but like the expression you just used why can't I have my cake and eat it too describes an impossibility because if you if you eat your cake you can't still have your cake so you might have unwittingly use that phrase but what you're describing is