CONFRONTING Viral Gym E-girl! 50 Body Count At 21?! Makeup DEBATE! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #139
Date: 2024-02-28
Duration: 7h 18m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_02Maddie Ru(guest)
SPEAKER_03Misra/Kendall/Kyla(guest)
SPEAKER_04Gym man (clip)(audience)
SPEAKER_05Maddie gym (clip)(audience)
SPEAKER_07Joey Swole (clip)(audience)
SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_10Kayla(guest)
SPEAKER_11Q (Jquan)(guest)
SPEAKER_12Music/Clips(audience)
SPEAKER_13Jordan(guest)
SPEAKER_14Megan Robinson(guest)
Key Moments
00:00:11
IntroBrian Atlas opens show; introduces himself and co-host Kiki.
“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast... I am your host Brian Atlas I'm joined by my co-host Kiki back there she's a bit shy”
00:03:30
IntroMaddie Ru introduces herself: 21, OnlyFans creator, Orange County CA. Viral gym e-girl.
“hi I'm Maddie Ru I'm 21 I do only fans... California... Orange County”
00:04:14
IntroMisra introduces: 21, former OnlyFans, originally Izmir Turkey, currently Riverside CA.
“misra um 21 and I did only fans um I'm in between right now... originally turkey but right now Riverside... ismir”
00:04:58
IntroMegan Robinson introduces: 22, mindset coaching business, podcast 'Lessons in Self-Love', Washington DC.
“my name is Megan Robinson I have a mindset coaching business and I have a podcast called lessons in selflove I'm 22 years old and I'm from Washington DC”
00:05:42
IntroKayla introduces: 30, Las Vegas, stripper/author/starting real estate.
“my name is Kayla um I'm 30 I live in Las Vegas um I'm a stripper an author and I'm also starting real estate”
00:06:02
IntroJordan introduces: 25, married, owns private gym in Riverside with husband, personal trainer.
“hi thank you for having me my name is Jordan I'm 25 my husband and I own a private gym in Riverside we also do personal training online coaching entrepreneur I'm a wife and a dog mom”
00:06:25
IntroQ (Jquan) introduces: 31, behavioral scientist, certified relationship coach, YouTuber, author.
“Q uh the Q behavioral scientist certified relationship coach YouTuber entrepreneur author age 31 government name jquan”
00:28:00
Key MomentBrian confirms viral gym video was scheduled before it went viral — Maddie was invited back 2-3 weeks prior to the viral incident.
“she's been on before and I actually reached out to you to invite you back before the whole viral thing like we had scheduled you to be on today's show like two weeks ago”
00:29:52
Key MomentMaddie asks whether adding bounce to the squat was deliberate — admits she added it because it looked sexual when filmed. Posted with caption 'wondering when I'm going to be recognized from my leg day warmup'.
“I realized that it looked kind of sexual and so I started adding like a bounce to it... I started filming it for reels... I always put that clip with a caption that says wondering when I'm going to be recognized from my leg day warmup”
00:50:11
Key MomentQ argues Maddie was eliciting a sexual response deliberately and played innocent with 'I can't believe I'm not allowed to stretch' caption.
“it's the Innocence it's the position of Innocence that you took... you've already stated that that's what you were trying to do overtly... that's what you were doing”
01:35:00
QuoteMisra reveals Turkish ex cheated on her 33-36 times; she moved to Turkey for him.
“he cheated on me like I think 36 times... I moved to Turkey for him though that's why”
01:36:00
Key MomentMisra reveals sex addiction: approximately 30 partners in one year during first year of college (age 19), after Turkish ex cheated on her ~36 times. Therapist diagnosed sex addiction.
“I would say like probably 30... I would say one year... I went to therapy cuz my friends actually made me cuz I was actually having like a really bad problem and then he was like I think you have a sex addiction”
02:07:00
Key MomentBrian's core argument: women who make a new man wait while having slept with others quickly are presenting a false standard. The McDonald's $1000 cheeseburger analogy.
“everyone in the restaurant paid $1 for a cheeseburger... I get to the front of the line ask for a cheeseburger and the clerk looks at me and says it's $1,000 for you sir”
02:18:00
Key MomentQ reads his viral list of concerns about women with high body counts: oxytocin depletion, pair bonding damage, hidden STIs, divorce correlation, paternity uncertainty.
“i'd be concerned about the long-term benefits of dealing with promiscuous women I'd be concerned about your oxytocin receptors densified to the point where you can't effectively parabond... increased risk of divorce... paternity uncertainty which means a promiscuous woman is more likely to cuck you”
04:00:00
Key MomentJordan removes makeup on camera during makeup debate to test Brian's claim that women look better without it.
“I'm going to take it off and then you're going to like lower my rating just to be rude... I'm not... take my word for it”
04:03:00
QuoteBrian rates Jordan after she removes makeup: says she looks attractive with or without makeup.
“I tend to think women are look as good or sometimes better without makeup uh I think you're an attractive women woman with or without makeup”
05:09:40
Key MomentGirls rate Puffy Vegas (regular donor) on his Instagram photos. Ratings: Maddie: 2, Misra: 3, one guest: 1.5, another: 0. Brian objects to 0.
“rate him on a scale of 1 to 10... two... three... 1.5... a zero... what the f... zero would be like significant facial asymmetry like deformity”
06:08:20
Key MomentBrian proposes 'legal paternal surrender' — if abortion is legal, men should be able to legally wave parental rights and child support obligation within a time window.
“I think men should have a corresponding right called Legal paternal surrender... if the woman gets pregnant and he can make some sort of legal election to not be financially responsible he can wave his parental rights”
06:37:00
Key MomentMaddie reveals she reported her ex to the government for disability fraud (he was faking a disability to avoid getting a job while she considered buying him a car and paying for therapy).
“I've reported my ex for disability fraud and sent in videos of us to the government... he was lying to me about having a job he was faking disability”
06:37:50
ControversyKayla admits to slashing tires, throwing bricks at cars, putting sugar in gas tanks, and hitting partners (all directed at cheating men). She is bipolar.
“I have sliced tires I have thrown bricks and cars I put sugars in tank... I've hit... I'm bipolar... and I've done that in more than one person”
Topics Discussed
00:00:11
Show intro and guest introductions
Brian Atlas opens from Santa Barbara. Introduces co-host Kiki. Guests introduce: Maddie Ru (21, OnlyFans, OC CA), Misra (21, Turkey/Riverside, former OF), Megan Robinson (22, DC, mindset coach), Kendall (19, SBCC, San Diego), Kayla (30, Las Vegas, stripper/author), Kyla (18, SBCC, Santa Barbara), Jordan (25, Riverside, gym owner, married), Q/Jquan (31, behavioral scientist/coach).
00:10:00
Relationship status round
Brian goes around table: Maddie single ~1 week (celibacy claim); Misra in new relationship 1 week (Turkish BF moved from Turkey); Megan in relationship 10 months, premarital counseling (no sex until marriage); Kendall in relationship 1 month (frat boy); Kayla single ~2 years (one child, ex trying to return); Kyla unknown; Jordan married 6 months (together 6 years); Q single.
00:18:20
Maddie Ru gym viral video discussion
Brian and panel discuss Maddie's viral plie squat video at LA Fitness (~300M views). The video: man approached, kicked her phone, she posted captioned 'I can't believe I'm not allowed to stretch at the gym'. Discussion of whether it was staged, whether exercise is legitimate, whether it was sexually provocative. Joey Swole reaction video played — he says both were wrong: man shouldn't touch property, but woman was deliberately sexual. Brian notes Maddie's pattern of sexual gym captions pre-dating the viral incident. Q argues she was eliciting sexual responses for attention/money.
00:56:00
Makeup debate: deception or enhancement
Discussion of whether makeup is deceptive. Q argues it can constitute legal action (joking). Jordan removes makeup on camera. Brian says he thinks women often look as good or better without makeup; compliments Jordan. Maddie also takes off most of her makeup on camera — Brian says there's still some remaining. Discussion: women do makeup for other women as much as for men; beauty industry is 90% women; men find hard-to-achieve body standards (require gym/steroids) more demanding than female beauty standard (which just requires low body fat).
01:11:40
Beauty standards: men vs women body expectations
Brian argues male beauty standard (superhero physique: Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Henry Cavill) is harder to achieve than female beauty standard (Scarlett Johansson, Gal Gadot). Men need elite genetics + years in gym +/- steroids. Women can achieve aspirational body through diet alone. Jordan (trainer) partially disagrees: women must maintain through workout too; hormonal changes make it harder over time. Maddie raises that birth control makes women more attracted to feminine men. Photos of thin men vs thin women shown; panel debates.
01:22:00
Height and physical appearance preferences
Brian asks everyone's height and minimum male height requirements. Heights: Maddie 5'10", Megan 5'9", Misra 5'5" (min 5'10"), Kendall 5'3" (as long as taller), Jordan 5'4" (min 5'9"-ish, husband is 5'9.5"), Kyla 5'2 3/4" (min 5'9"). Current/past boyfriend heights listed. Discussion of dating app height filters.
01:30:00
Waiting for sex and body count discussion
Extended discussion: Brian asks whether women who had quick sex with previous partners then make a new guy they like wait is fair. Misra shares she would make a guy wait to avoid losing feelings (as happened during sex addiction period). Brian presents multiple analogies comparing the dynamic (McDonald's $1000 burger; prior dates got 5-star meals but new girl gets McDonald's; etc.). Q reads his viral list of concerns about high body count women: oxytocin depletion, pair bonding damage, hidden STIs, divorce correlation, paternity uncertainty. Panel mostly disagrees with Brian's framing but agrees it's understandable from male perspective. Jordan defends Misra: it's about her healing, not being fair to the guy.
01:34:00
Misra's sex addiction and depression story
Misra reveals that during first year of college (age 19), after her Turkish ex cheated on her ~36 times, she had sex with approximately 30 men (some repeats) in one year. Therapist diagnosed sex addiction at around 10-15 partners. Friends dragged her out to parties; she would drink and hook up; sex provided dopamine relief from depression. Fastest hookup: within first hour of meeting. She was being diagnosed while processing the abandonment/cheating trauma. Panel debates whether 'sex addiction' label is correct vs depression/low self-worth. She now uses sex to cope when very depressed but differently. Current boyfriend knows her history and is supportive.
05:09:40
Ratings: girls rate Puffy Vegas (regular donor)
Puffy Vegas (a regular TTS donor) requests to be rated by the panel based on his Instagram photos. Brian scrolls his Instagram. Ratings: Maddie: 2; Misra: 3; Kyla: 1.5; another panel member: 0. Brian objects to a 0 rating, says 0 would require significant facial deformity.
05:31:10
Q's story: obsessive long-distance hookup
Q tells story of woman he was casually seeing long-distance (Long Island to Philadelphia). She took a bus to see him. After he posted a Spanish lyric about liking Spanish-speaking girls, she called him 54 times consecutively. He answered on the 55th call. She was on a megabus at 2am coming to Philadelphia. They had sex and she left. He never spoke to her again.
06:08:20
Abortion and bodily autonomy debate
Brian argues forced military conscription is a greater bodily autonomy infringement than denying abortion access. Maddie disagrees, says they're similar. Jordan is pro-life: if not ready for motherhood, not ready for sex; adoption is an option. Brian proposes 'legal paternal surrender' as policy that could be bundled with abortion rights. Kayla: had abortion (got pregnant on birth control with abusive partner). Jordan: abortion has lasting mental health impact. Debate on when life begins.
06:15:00
Women's self-assessed dating flaws
Q asks panel what flaws they bring to relationships. Maddie: OnlyFans, sex tapes with other men, social media presence. Misra: moody/hangry, ignores people when mad. Kayla: violent reactions to cheating (slashed tires, bricks in cars, sugar in gas tanks, physical fights) — bipolar. Megan: emotional volatility (working on it). Jordan: needs partner validation on appearance, can have an attitude (improved significantly). Misra reveals revenge story: reported Turkish ex to immigration/his US sponsor after finding out about cheating; filmed it.
06:16:20
Kayla violent behavior story and bipolar discussion
Q asks panel about behavioral flaws. Kayla admits to: slashing tires, throwing bricks at cars, putting sugar in gas tanks, hitting partners. All directed at men who cheated on her. She is bipolar. Panel reacts with shock and humor. Brian says she reminds him of an ex.
06:30:00
What women expect from men they date
Q asks women to list their expectations from partners. Maddie: honesty, transparency, passion/drive, respect. Discussion of whether passion for niche topics (World of Warcraft) counts. Brian goes on extended World of Warcraft tangent (world buff meta for classic WoW).
07:13:20
Wrap-up
Brian wraps the show. Plugs Twitch, Clips Channel, Discord. Show ends.
Transcript
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05:34:18
Misra/Kendall/KylaTurkish so it's like a lot of they would disown you they already did they already did whoa okay that's new yeah I don't talk to any of my family members but was it worth it
05:34:30
Brian Atlasit wasn't for that it was oh why they disowned you for what did you stab somebody no let's go deep here well let's figure this out
05:34:40
Brian Atlasokay so we're ruling out stabbing correct yes so no stabbings occurred have you did you commit treason any acts of
05:34:50
Brian Atlastreason high treason low treason medium
05:34:58
Brian Atlastreason any violent acts of you know no violence
05:35:10
Misra/Kendall/Kylayou it's something you're not going to be able to guess oh you should just tell me then I just I wanted to let you do it you want me to guess than go for
05:35:23
Brian Atlasyou burned a Turkish flag is that illegal I don't know if it's illegal but you bring great to to
05:35:33
Brian Atlasfamily it wasn't like do something deep you are a witch and put a curse on somebody
05:35:44
Brian Atlasyeah can you just tell us what it is I'm sorry wait you got speak into the mic why why were you can you tell us the the the theme of why you were
05:35:57
Misra/Kendall/Kyladisowned um by both parents whole family it's my whole family so even like my extended it wasn't the only fans huh it wasn't the only fans no but they're pretty about I
05:36:09
Brian Atlashave something I have something here on your only fans it says perkiest tits on only fans your words not mine was it was it because of the perky as tits thing
05:36:20
Misra/Kendall/Kylano is that F wait so okay what was it just tell us no like it it was it's like nothing that I can say on camera did you like kick a baby in the face it wasn't
05:36:32
Misra/Kendall/Kylaanything that I did what that doesn't make sense it was it was something that was done to me oh something sorry it was something like that was like done to me and then like they like it was just like a religious like it was just like a
05:36:45
TTS/Donationsdifferent perspective and so there it was like that was it is it you
05:36:54
TTS/Donationsassaulted Thomas the poet donated $99 I love Maddie I totally would s for her she rocks my world
05:37:04
Maddie RuMaddie is curs lit I assume it's this m here do you know who Thomas the poet is I have no idea that's so nice what the
05:37:15
Brian Atlasheck thank you Thomas was it a was it a you didn't want to do an arranged marriage no give give us a hint the one previous
05:37:26
Brian Atlasto what you said was correct oh yeah that's why like I'd rather not okay all right well sorry to hear that it's okay
05:37:36
Misra/Kendall/Kylajust your your family they live in Turkey no uh my mom and my stepdad live in like the US and then all my other family members are in Turkey wait I mean
05:37:49
Brian Atlasnot that I want to linger on this conversation for too long and I'm sorry that I if it's what I think it is um no I is that a thing where I've heard of this
05:38:04
Brian Atlasmaybe wait you were disowned because you were essayed is that
05:38:15
Misra/Kendall/Kylait did that occur before or after your sex addiction um it was from ages 6 to 12 so yeah that was like way before but
05:38:28
Misra/Kendall/Kylathat's why like I don't have any you were orphaned at I wasn't orphaned um I just I told like my aunt and then she was like oh it's normal in
05:38:38
Misra/Kendall/KylaTurkey to be disowned by your family no to to be essayed so I don't think that's normal like that's why it would continue but no um then my mom and I were like
05:38:50
Brian Atlasstill close and then we just get into like mom and daughter fights that's it all right moving on sorry to hear that um okay so sugar daddy wait did did
05:39:02
Brian Atlaswe talk about you had the sugar daddy yeah a few a few here and there question for you what is in in one transaction what's the most that you've ever received from a sugar daddy into the
05:39:18
Brian Atlasmic I think 10 or 15,000 yes what's the most total you you've received from
05:39:33
Brian Atlasone what's the most total like so you said in one transaction they sent you like $10,000 or $15,000 but let's say they sent you maybe they sent you 5,000
05:39:44
Brian Atlashere 3,000 there a th000 here if you were added all up for just one what's the most total I'm not sure I think it would
05:39:56
Brian Atlasbe more than six fig like over $100,000 no no definitely not more than $50,000 from just one no oh okay all right yeah more than
05:40:06
Brian Atlas20,000 like around there okay uh right what about you like around 100 wait in one transaction or
05:40:15
Maddie Ruoverall one transaction [Music]
05:40:24
Maddie Ruoh sorry I'm trying to think of everything honestly my long-term one got me like the most stuff but like at a time it
05:40:35
Maddie Rumaybe like 2 3,000 you know but then he also B like paid for everything and then like my bought me a laptop this that anything so biggest individual transaction was1 or
05:40:46
Brian Atlas$2,000 no like two to three but what about total like around 100 100,000
05:40:54
Maddie Ruyeah damn yeah damn damn son yeah he still hits me up still yeah I still make him me sometimes
05:41:05
Maddie Rubut you don't what have you met him in person yeah I dated him oh okay so you guys were for like a long time and but he's also your sugar daddy he was my sugar daddy yeah and then I ended up
05:41:18
Maddie Rudating him but he still paid for everything where's all where's all the women trying to pay me to date me you can probably find it go on seeking make a profile there's also girls that like
05:41:29
Brian Atlaswant to be sugar masam I've been there yeah it's a thing mhm it's not like it doesn't exist I'm just saying 100K you know listen you want to throw a bit of that
05:41:39
Brian Atlasmy way I'm cool with that if you want to you know these women they I don't know they're not uh yeah it's crazy you're not willing to
05:41:50
Brian Atlasput in as much Financial effort as men are to what the ladies not willing to put like even if you get a girl who DMS
05:42:00
Brian Atlasyou they're they're not even going to like like a dude if you give a say a dude DMS you and you're down to meet him
05:42:09
Brian Atlashe'll either fly you out or he'll fly to you yeah but like a girl could DM a dude bro she still wants you to pay for the
05:42:20
Brian Atlasflight yeah she ain't she ain't paying for the flight yeah I've had it well actually that's not true have you ever paid to fly girl out I I've had so I've had women fly out to come see me but
05:42:32
Maddie Ruthey paid for it mhm no they're desperate for you hot I've had that uh but uh yeah good talk that was
05:42:44
Brian Atlasnice that was a good talk okay what else let me see what else we have uh okay we did that we have Jordan here uh Jordan says back when I wasn't a Christian I
05:42:55
Jordanwas very promiscuous how how so I went on a lot of dates without the intention to be in
05:43:05
Jordana relationship one night stands things like that you had a lot of one night stands is that what you're saying I've I've had yeah the past okay yeah um let's see you
05:43:18
TTS/Donationshad some other disagreements here that you listed uh slore I.D doore
05:43:26
TTS/Donations272 a39 DF 91 B5 3,716 donated $100 let you cook Brian pick a subject
05:43:37
Brian Atlasthat works for the man yeah I'd like to hear I'd like yeah let's get uh let's get Q in here in just a sec uh really quick just since we have the chats coming Maddie can I have you read this
05:43:49
Maddie Ruone that's about to come up from the pope who donated 50 peace to the saints that girl on the far right got caught lying about Marquette burn after the show saying that he subscribed to her
05:44:01
Maddie Ruone of marquette's songs say you'd be a fool if you trust her actually that's not what I said so after the show Marquette dm'd me and he asked how old I was and when I said I was 21 he said
05:44:14
Maddie Ruwhen are you coming to Vegas do you want to link with a cheersing Emoji when I didn't reply he unsent the message and then said like hours later for a podcast
05:44:25
Maddie Rucuz he know that he got caught trying to and only fans girl girl he didn't subscribe to my page okay so yeah he doesn't practice what he
05:44:36
Brian Atlaspreaches okay well he's not here to defend himself I have receipts okay cool Good
05:44:51
Brian AtlasTimes where were we oh oh Jordan Jordan we're back to Jordan and then I need to get okay uh you said that Brian mentioned that women should be drafted I highly disagree with
05:45:02
Brian Atlasthat yeah let's go around the table on that starting with Jordan should women be drafted to the military no the same
05:45:12
Brian Atlasway that men could be drafted to the military no PO pointing at you um I don't really know I don't really
05:45:24
Brian Atlashave an opinion on that you you don't have an opinion okay so we go to war right you're 18 you said okay drafting age cool so we go to war right now
05:45:36
Brian Atlascurrently only men can get drafted uh into the military uh you don't you say you have don't have an opinion about it let's say you know there was a risk of
05:45:46
Misra/Kendall/Kylathem equalizing the draft you have any opinions on it okay wait no I don't think they should sorry
05:45:55
Brian AtlasI not understand your question okay so being forced to go into the military I got that now yeah okay what about you no okay what about you no what about
05:46:08
Brian Atlasyou no no wow we have no feminists at this table that's crazy that's crazy I thought some of you might have been
05:46:18
Maddie Rufeminists um you disagree with my position why I mean we're not as strong as men realistically if you fighting a
05:46:28
Maddie Rupull a trigger in any way running endurance stamina anything equality okay then more women are just going to die and not benefit the war also just mentally and
05:46:40
Jordanemotionally we're not as strong like I would say like it would honestly be so much more trauma for us to deal with afterward yeah we should protect men from
05:46:50
Maddie Ruthat equal the women agree with you and and I do should be equal right no because women are the ones that make children
05:46:59
Maddie Ruso so so you are supposed to protect the wom huh you protect the women men go to war like that's how it goes well we send the ones who don't want kids I thought it was equality I thought we have
05:47:11
Maddie Ruequality now within reason none of us are feminist mean the wrong crowd uh someone in here are probably feminist they just haven't does it genuinely make sense to send an equal amount of yes to
05:47:24
Brian Atlasfight for our country when it literally would put us back physically check this out right I actually think it makes more sense we send maybe this is some I don't know anything about military strategy we
05:47:35
Brian Atlassend the women in first to kind of weaken up them then the men after all the women die then the men come in and we can Scorch them right if you killed all a wom How do we proc right yeah
05:47:46
Maddie Ruyou're lit willing to throw away our chance of procreating period what I didn't say send all the women just like maybe 50%
05:47:57
Maddie Ruof them you said and I quot kill all the women send 50% of them it's great Brian respectfully respectfully no
05:48:07
Maddie Rurespectfully listen okay I think as a matter of fairness and equality equality women should be drafted
05:48:17
Maddie Rufeminist it hasn't been fair for I'm a egalitarian what's that but that's not working for scavs like oh I don't care about Scandinavia but you're arguing for
05:48:28
Maddie Rulike fighting for our country you would want to use the strongest wom strong
05:48:33
Brian Atlasindependent boss women are women are strong boss boss Boss B you guys can go to war go into the you know
05:48:46
Maddie Ruyou're just trolling now I'm not trolling I'm dead serious no you're trolling no I swear to God I'm not trolling you're 100% trolling I'm not trolling you know that women shouldn't go to war you know that it would literally put us back does
05:48:59
Brian Atlaswe're not as strong as men bro physically what's that what's that saying uh God God Made Men uh God
05:49:07
Brian AtlasMade Men unequal uh Smith and Wesson oh Jesus Christ I always this one up God damn messing up all your quotes
05:49:16
Brian Atlastonight firearms made humans equal okay a woman is capable of depressing a trigger just as well yeah but that is literally sing if you sat
05:49:28
Maddie Ruand in one position war was sitting in one position and just sitting there it's not in counting carrying the guns woman
05:49:35
Maddie Rucan't carry his heavy equipment for as long so we can't so so why would you send the more unfit people to fight for
05:49:46
Brian Atlassomething to actually because equality no because stupidity no because equality no because stupidity well then why are women allowed to volunteer for the military because that's their choice to
05:49:58
Brian Atlasmake let me ask you a question though would you object to us preventing women from volunteering for the military
05:50:07
Maddie Ruhonestly okay all right there it is yeah honestly yeah okay why because men are supposed to protect women and our
05:50:17
Maddie Rucountry so that women can have kids and be caregivers to the children take care you're talking about for example let's let's go back to the most recent draft who's going to watch the
05:50:29
Brian Atlashold on let's go back to the most recent draft right the Vietnam War so this was not like a massive a lot of granted a lot of men were drafted in the Vietnam War but it wasn't like we didn't send
05:50:40
Brian Atlasall the men to Vietnam so let's say we were in a conflict like Vietnam again and we drafted I would actually be curious if I don't know if you can look up the exact numbers how many troops we sent over to
05:50:52
Brian AtlasVietnam how many of which were drafted let's say we drafted 100,000 women to go to Vietnam that wouldn't have any real impact like we wouldn't be able to repopulate like that would have no real
05:51:03
Brian Atlasimpact you know in terms of oh all the women are gone we can't repopulate our nation are you saying like 100,000 men 100,000 women go sure equal amounts sure
05:51:14
Maddie Ruthat are drafted against soft version of population control there buddy it's fine makes no sense but okay it's fine but 200,000 people in half of your entire
05:51:24
Maddie RuArmy is less fit for the job why would would you want that for really a sexist statement for you to say it's not it's so sexist it's not it's scientifically
05:51:35
Maddie Ruproven that men are stronger than women oh I agree with you and anytime a woman literally killed herself trying to clim out ever check this out by herself or something to prove that she could do it
05:51:45
Brian Atlasa woman Le group how about this how about this let's say then how abouto we we we draft women into support roles we need we need military nurses we need
05:51:56
Brian Atlassupport roles that's fine oh but we okay but we currently don't okay well we should but also as I I object to this view that men are the Disposable
05:52:08
Brian Atlassex and we are men are the Disposable sex that's why for Millennia for centuries men are sent off to war to go and die now I think that this is this is
05:52:19
Maddie Ruclearly evidence of some deep-seated bias towards men and no it's not because you're not making babies it's irrelevant it is relevant toally irrelevant no it's
05:52:31
Maddie Ruthe most relevant thing because you're we need less of you to make more humans we can get by with very few men okay but
05:52:39
Brian Atlassee as a man uh I don't really feel good how do you feel I don't really feel like you know that's like it's as just an on an individual level do you think that
05:52:50
Maddie Ruthat's a a guy not let's say a guy doesn't want to go to war right okay and he's forced into war okay
05:53:01
Maddie Ruwhich happened a lot happen A lot happened exclusively to men okay okay there's benefits that come with being a man and there's benefits that come with being a woman and there's also drawbacks
05:53:12
Maddie Ruto both you're less likely to be killed by your partner you're less likely to be raped you're less like all of these things okay we can talk about the difference we can talk about the differences on a societal we can talk
05:53:24
Brian Atlasabout the differences on a societal level but let's talk about what's enforc by the state and the government and if the government says that men and women are equal by law then so too should they
05:53:35
Brian Atlasbe subject to military conscription regardless of whatever social social dynamics are just sort of ingrained to me it's not like a
05:53:47
Maddie Rusocial thing it's like a physical thing like you you know like I'm never going to leave the argument that a a woman would
05:53:57
Maddie Rube less fit to serve in a war like that that's just the truth I'm and Brian I'm sure you agree with that agree with what that physically stronger I think men
05:54:08
Maddie Rumake better soldiers yes yeah exactly mhm so then why would you want a woman on the front lines so then why would you want half women on the front lines how would you feel about your wife being on
05:54:18
Maddie Ruthe front lines to soften up the enemy you're insane to soften up the enemy that way you know when the men come when our men come in you're delusional yeah meat Shield you're 2024 did you dirty
05:54:31
Brian Atlasthe delusion is just I don't know what you're talking delusional delusional I explain to me you would be okay with your wife being drafted what being used as a cushion hey
05:54:42
Brian Atlasyou know what that's that's fair that's equal what about your kids what do you mean my kids who's going to stay home with your kids I
05:54:54
Brian Atlasam bro here's yo it's actually funny I was think about this I've said this before on the show right so okay you think about like what is the most and I don't like to use this term but like a
05:55:05
Brian Atlasgirl started asking me about this one show so like there's this Trope about well like the most like boss thing to do as a man is to like jump in front of a bullet to protect your wife and like
05:55:18
Brian Atlasthat's the most Alpha thing actually the most Alpha thing would be to use your woman as a meat Shield that way you can continue on
05:55:30
Brian Atlasand get another woman pregnant and continue spreading your seed instead of sacrificing yourself like like you're disposable that sounds selfish answer
05:55:40
Brian Atlasyou're trolling no I swear to God from a uh wait wait what's no I swear to God that that's so
05:55:51
Brian Atlascontinuing on your bloodline by finding a new woman to procreate with technically would be the most Alpha thing I'm just saying loose energy donated
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TTS/Donations$100 women in we strong and independent and want equality women on draft we're not strong as men stop the cap
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TTS/Donationsget the out #e equality # you up # Brian isama claw and 9 at9 we're literally saying we're not as strong I'm saying but they're saying the
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Maddie Ruwhole movement mentally I would argue that women have better
05:56:31
Brian Atlasintuition but physically D here here's the thing right these guys like I get it like oh it's the masculine thing to like sacrifice your life for your woman but
05:56:42
Brian Atlaslike the Apex male maneuver to continue propagating your Bloodline with other women would be Theo I'm not winning any friends with this
05:56:53
Brian Atlasone would be to sacrifice your woman so you can continue uh what if she's already pregnant that's the selfish like that is the most selfish thing but it's in your best interest and that would be
05:57:04
Maddie Rulike the most in your best interest yeah you're selfish you be a bad partner I feel bad for your wife a man not wanting
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Brian Atlasto die is being a bad person you're saying sacrifice your wife if if I yes if you have to choose yes if you have to choose yeah I actually think it it makes
05:57:24
Maddie Rumore sense because I'm more capable of providing for my children than she is so therefore yes are there children already hypothetically like they're alive and born yeah but you don't have like the let's say they are
05:57:36
Brian Atlasthen yes it's better if I continue raising our children than you I'm more capable of providing and protecting disagree with
05:57:48
Jordanthat sometimes Corn Pop in the chat says sometimes you need to sacrifice the queen to get the Checkmate yeah but women can learn how to sew we can sew clothes we can plant fruit and
05:57:59
Jordanvegetables we can be very resourceful when we need to to take care of the children if we don't have S I'm not trolling hopefully you left hopefully you left some daero
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Brian Atlasargu I would be able to provide better and again I don't I don't consider myself an alpha male but like if we're using like the that sort of like those
05:58:22
Brian Atlasterms right I'm asking the chat here what's more Alpha taking the bullet for your wife life so if you choose you have the scenario right she dies or you dies
05:58:32
Brian AtlasI would argue the most you could call it dark Triad whatever the most Alpha move is your she dies you survive you can continue passing on your genetic Legacy
05:58:44
Brian Atlaswith other women that's the most gangster right all these oh I'm a I'm a masculine man I'm going to die for my woman okay what if you didn't I don't
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Brian Atlasknow maybe it's Sigma I don't know right what is it chat what are your thoughts H I'm never getting
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Brian Atlasagain they hear that that like dries up like dude a girl hears that it's like bro you're dumb he took this troll way too far no I women should get drafted though as a men's rights Advocate sh the okay as a men's
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TTS/Donationsservice and involuntary service is not some stupid metaphysics history tells you that a county who doesn't have young men willing to sacrifice the country
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Brian Atlaswill die period yeah volunteer Serv is not the s stupid okay history tells you that a country who doesn't have young men willing to
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Brian Atlassacrifice the country will die okay cool thank you appreciate it here we got some chats here move that can you read this
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Maddie Ruone can you read this one yeah thank you Jay it's known that women make better Marksman snipers when it comes to
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Maddie Rumilitary services they take instruction better than men there's no ego involved 23 year veteran of Canadian the Canadians I Air Force I
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Maddie Ruheard I've heard that before this one Maddie is so talented she can be live on a podcast and respond on LF at the same time could have at least turned on Hond seriousness how
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Brian Atlasmuch time that's not true but I do have a open message when you subscribe that gets sent out automatically oh okay no typer or whatever it's called okay good
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Brian Atlastimes uh look women should get drafted nope nope okay all right uh should we take away the vote for
06:01:05
Brian Atlaswomen what you realize that that's how men got the right to vote right is being subject to military
06:01:16
Maddie Ruconscription honestly if you took away my right to vote I wouldn't be upset any other ladies here want to weigh in on the voting thing girl for your body
06:01:28
Maddie Rulike what if you're raped and you get pregnant I'm so Sor okay I me I think what does that have to do with voting because you're voting for rights over
06:01:38
Maddie Ruyour body like rights over even if women didn't have you're voting for so much stuff but that's what's included like women's rights are getting like rolled
06:01:48
Brian Atlasback with all the LA so has been criminalized even before women's suffrage you do realize that right yeah but you know that they're trying to make I I don't yeah you have no idea what you're talking about no I don't want to
06:02:00
Maddie Rusay the wars on can I say the baby eater 3000 when you get rid of your baby they're trying to make that abortion illegal yeah I'm scared to being I'm so sorry yeah they're trying
06:02:11
Brian Atlasto make that who they got rid of roie Wade which just put it back to the States the states
06:02:20
Maddie Rudecide you some states don't allow right so why as a woman would you give up your right to vote on things that have to do with your body and everything else there's so many
06:02:32
Maddie Ruother things but that's just like one example well I'm pro-life so there's that okay but would you feel the same way if it
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Jordanhappened like I said i' if if I didn't have the right to vote I wouldn't be upset that's so sad for women honestly and our
06:02:55
Megan Robinsonsociety I dis the feminist coming no are you saying that like your husband would vote in your best interest not about the abortion issue but absolutely my husband would vote in my best you trust that
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Jordanyeah being a good wife is being able to submit to your husband and Trust in his decisions to lead yeah I think what the problem is is that we've lost sight of
06:03:16
Jordanthe real traditional nuclear family that is supposed to be valued and if things were the way that they should be and that we do have those values then yeah
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Jordanthe woman wouldn't really need to vote I mean representing her well then I can see that in today's society you know I do I do like the right to vote but like
06:03:37
JordanI said maybe if I'm changing the perspective to if I never had it I don't think it would affect me but now that I've had it if they were to take it away that's kind of
06:03:51
Brian Atlasdifferent yeah I mean I don't know I think wait I have a question for you Maddie if a guy gets a woman pregnant and she wants to keep the kid
06:04:01
Brian Atlasyeah but he let's say he's not ready to be a dad maybe he's not uh mentally ready he doesn't want uh he's not financially ready what do you what do
06:04:10
Maddie Ruyou say to him did he consensually make the choice to come in this woman I'm not sure where you're going
06:04:20
Maddie Ruwith that argument but sure let's say yes okay if you come sorry let me point you if you come come in a girl mhm then you are consenting to the idea
06:04:33
Maddie Ruthat if she could that she could get pregnant and you are doing that willingly knowing that she has a choice now because it's in her body okay so as
06:04:44
Brian Atlasa woman then if you cons if you consent and you want a man to come inside of you and you realize that that carries a
06:04:54
Brian Atlaspregnancy risk are you saying that would you not be in favor of her not or would you not be in favor
06:05:06
Brian AtlasJesus would you be against her getting an abortion I'm not against abortion okay well I'm a little confused
06:05:16
Brian Atlasthere so you're saying when if a you think that consent to sex on the man's part or consent like coming inside of a girl means you are consenting to being a
06:05:28
Maddie Rufather and being financially obligated to 18 years to for child support when you come in a grow that is what you are doing right what you come in a girl to
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Maddie Rutry to get pregnant like now people do or you could just or you could just think it's a it feels pleasurable well it doesn't matter because biologically that is what people do to get pregnant
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Q (Jquan)so you don't get to say that apply to women too to get C inside what yeah I mean like you let him do it realize like that's a risk you're
06:06:02
Q (Jquan)taking is getting not only did you let him penetrate you without a condom you're also more aware of your cycle you're aware of your closer to ovulation he doesn't necessarily know that you know what stage in your cycle you're in
06:06:14
Maddie Rubut are you arguing that like the man shouldn't have to be a father to the kid or should have a say in whether the baby is well interesting because you're basically so you're saying that
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Brian Atlasif if a man man consents to sex then he's also consenting to to a risk of pregnancy which you acknowledge he has if the woman chooses to then he has no saying he has no say not growing in his
06:06:38
Brian Atlasbody so he should have the man should have done what he should have kept his legs closed he should have not had sex there's protection or there's trust in
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Brian Atlasthe person that you're having sex with sometimes it sometimes those things fail okay but what if the woman lied that she was on birth control mhm then that's no but what if she wants to keep
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Maddie Ruthe the kid no that's deceiving I don't agree with that I've seen it happen uh but legally he would still be obliged to pay child support yeah but he's you're still having sex with a person you know
06:07:14
Maddie Rubirth control fails too I've seen people get pregnant on iuds but it's interesting that how you have so you're saying that it's more ethical or
06:07:25
Brian Atlaswell you're you're saying that murdering killing a unborn child is is better
06:07:37
Maddie Ruthan better than what than a father abandoning his child killing an unborn child is better than a father abandoning the child like that's more
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Maddie Ruacceptable I'm arguing that the that women should have a right to their body and but we're talking about a life like if the woman decides to it's not a life
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Misra/Kendall/Kylait's it's a few cells Clump together but it will produce a life your body though it's it's going to produce life someone can't force you to give birth yeah that's that's a lot yeah but you also
06:08:11
Misra/Kendall/Kylahad a choice you have a choice to not have sex so did the man yeah option not come which is a lot easier is it not when it comes
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TTS/Donationsstill haven't gotten a response Maddie message me after you're done you're beautiful uh thank you okay thank you
06:08:44
Brian Atlasit's just interesting like people who like when you look at the male perspective when it comes to perhaps an unwanted pregnancy you guys your arguments are basically pro-life
06:08:56
Brian Atlasarguments but for men you should have not done that you should have kept your legs closed too bad suck it
06:09:04
Brian Atlasup enjoy enjoy the 18 years of child support but a woman here here's the here's the uh the other look at it a
06:09:14
Brian Atlaswoman you you would tell a woman who says I'm not financially ready to have a child you'd be like totally fine with you getting an abortion a woman who's not ready to raise a child you'd say totally fine
06:09:26
Brian Atlaswith you getting an abortion but when it comes to the man the the man side of that equation you're like tough suck it up he doesn't carry the baby doesn't
06:09:37
Brian Atlasmatter but it's his Sean tell you what here's how about this so if a man fails to pay child support we've done away with debtor
06:09:47
Brian Atlasprisons in the United States you cannot go to prison for a financial debt except when it comes to child support and this
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Brian Atlasis definitely a issue because men are overwhelmingly the ones that are legally compelled typically through uh the the mothers this is something mothers seek
06:10:07
Brian Atlasout men are legally compelled to pay child support and if they don't they're going to be jailed okay but see that is taking away that that is taking away their
06:10:19
Brian Atlasbodily autonomy but I would not and you're forcing them to labor which is and pay money that they would perhaps not want to give that's taking away
06:10:28
Maddie Rutheir bodily autonomy you're you'd force them to work but I'm arguing that women should always have the choice if they keep the baby I didn't say it was right that men have to pay for the next 18
06:10:40
Misra/Kendall/Kylayears whether they're involved or not I agree with that that's what I'm saying we're just saying that like a woman should have her own choice over her own body it's interesting to me
06:10:52
Brian Atlasthough you're talking about bodily autonomy but you say that men shouldn't have bodily autonomy because they get drafted into war what they don't men don't have
06:11:04
Brian Atlasbodily autonomy because they're subject to military conscription they're not carrying children I don't see how that's relevant I do I would actually argue that forced military conscription is a
06:11:15
Brian Atlasbigger infringement on bodily autonomy than abortion a a woman's lack of ability to get an abortion do you disagree can you say say it one more
06:11:27
Brian Atlastime okay so here's the difference so I would argue that forced military conscription is a bigger infringement upon bodily autonomy than a
06:11:38
Maddie Ruwoman not having a legal right to an abortion um I'd say they're almost similar honestly really okay so so one
06:11:48
Brian Atlasso forc military conscription is your government saying we are despite your desires we are going to pluck you out of
06:11:58
Brian AtlasKentucky put you in a war zone where let's let's look at World War I you're going to be in a trench for months you're going to see a bunch of death
06:12:08
Brian Atlasyou're going to have um you're going to have ttis because of all the uh milit uh excuse me because of all of the U shelling that's just bombardment non-stop you're going to have trench
06:12:20
Brian Atlasfoot you're going to get chemical gas uh you're Pro you may very well just die or if you're not you're going to be a casualty and you'll have you know perhaps substantial physical injury and if you don't have physical injury you'll
06:12:31
Brian Atlashave significant mental injury uh they you know they called it shell shock there's been different names PTSD uh I would argue that the state
06:12:42
Brian Atlasforcing you to do that versus a woman who for example consense to having sex and she has an unwanted pregnancy and she's not capable of getting an abortion
06:12:53
Brian Atlasso my position again is it's a bigger infringement upon one's bodily autonomy to be forced into war than you not being
06:13:04
Maddie Ruable to undergo a medical procedure it's not just a medical procedure it's that's actually exactly what it is oh but if you don't do it what is you don't do it it is a life it is a full person you could give it up for adoption if you
06:13:17
Jordanwere so inclined if you're not ready to carry the responsibility of motherhood then you're not ready for sex that's my opinion you you could give the child up for
06:13:29
Brian Atlasadoption so your argument about well it's an 18-year commitment isn't necessarily true and there's actually safe like you can almost in every single
06:13:38
Maddie Ruuh but why is that fair to like that kid like why would you go through all of that I know adopted kids and they are up sure beyond belief every
06:13:50
Maddie Rusingle one of them so why would you choose you have the option to do it you could give it up for adoption that be an option why would but why would you want to take away someone's option to not make someone else's life
06:14:01
Brian Atlasmiserable wait so are you guys arguing that adoption like give look I'm not saying it's great for the child but I think if a woman you can you can go you can go the fire department you can go to the fire
06:14:14
Brian Atlasdepartment and leave it with the that this is a thing that women can do that you you won't get in trouble for it you leave it with the uh at the fire department and uh that's ruining
06:14:24
Brian Atlassomeone's life like it genuinely is I mean now we're arguing about something different my initial argument was and I'm if you I know your initial argument it's a bigger bodly autonomy
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TTS/Donationsinfringement matth Lee donated $100 fact biology says human life starts at conception the baby is not your body
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TTS/Donationswhen you consent to sex you know the risk of pregnancy own up to your actions do not play God and kill another life this is very very true it's like we
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Jordanhave a lot of we have precautions we have warning signs but yet we choose to ignore them that's like driving without a seat Bel it's like you know what the risk is okay but I got pregnant on birth
06:15:07
Maddie Rucontrol and never was came inside with an abusive partner that beat me you want me to keep the baby I'm not saying anything to you personally and I
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Jordandon't this isn't even a personal attack I'm just I'm I'm questioning your values I'm questioning your argument that's the only thing that I'm talking about I'm not saying anything about you yes that's
06:15:27
Jordanunfortunate but you could have given the baby up for adoption but why what but you are ruining another person's life but you you're not going to guarantee that that baby's life is ruined so
06:15:39
Brian Atlasyou're say guarantee that you're saying putting a baby up for adoption versus aborting them is that your argument growing up without parents but so is your argument that it's better to have
06:15:51
Maddie Rubeen aborted than to grow up in foster care basically just have it to give it up yes I am saying it is better to do that if you are not going to have the child have a good partner that you think is going to be a good fit
06:16:04
Maddie Ruis another parent then you should not have the kid if you're not financially stable you should not have the kid okay I like that's my stance okay okay like
06:16:16
Brian Atlassure you're pro-life or excuse me sorry sorry your pro-choice um okay I don't even know how we really got there in any case I still think I mean I don't know if you still if I've been able to con Vince you that it is a greater
06:16:28
TTS/Donationsinfringement on bodily autonomy to be drafted as a man forced into God King Xerxes donated $100 last time donating so would you
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TTS/Donationsrather be sad or have a bad life could we kill all depressed people stupid argument why take away its life abortion is taking away any
06:16:51
Jordanchance we're all starting off as a ball of cells but that's a beautiful thing is look what it created it created you created everybody that's sitting here at this podcast you know your parent could
06:17:02
Maddie Ruhave easily chose to not have you and aborted you and that's sad and that's devast my par were together and financially stable and I grew up in a good household and my parents weren't
06:17:13
Jordanfinancially stable and I ended up being okay you know everybody makes choices in their life that can change for the better somebody who's adopted grew up in the Foster system you know what they can
06:17:26
Maddie Ruget out of the system they can make something of themselves but the trauma you are guaranteeing certain trauma to someone before they are even born trauma happens to everybody we're just talking about men go to war certain trauma
06:17:38
Maddie Rubefore someone is even born you are not giving them the best chance at life but we're also generalizing the Foster system so should we foster kid should we just take your AR argument to the
06:17:49
Brian Atlasmaximum like isn't it a Buddhist saying life is suffering right so should we just abort everyone because we'll inevit encounter some sort of suffering in our
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Maddie Rulife no I'm you should only have kids if you have a good situation already to give them the best chance
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Brian Atlaspossible uh anyways this kind of stemmed from look I I want to restate it one more time so Force military conscription is a
06:18:21
Brian Atlasbigger infringement upon bodily autonomy than want to bring it back to that so abortion agree or disagree I feel like they're similar
06:18:31
Brian Atlaswhich is what I said earlier I'm in the same place so so okay you think that I don't even know how to convince you on this similar you think
06:18:42
Brian Atlasit's similar I gu this is what I said okay so let me ask you a question let's let's remove abortion from this do you think that the average woman's experience with
06:18:55
Brian Atlaspregnancy is worse than the average person's experience in the military but you're not
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Maddie Rusaying you're not saying the pregnancy and how it is going you're taking away the choice or not right like that's what you're
06:19:20
Maddie Ruarguing I don't think pregnancy is as bad as going to war if you're getting shot at it's not as bad as caring a child for 9 months yeah that's what I'm saying so but that doesn't end
06:19:31
Maddie Rugovernment the government will has the potential to force men into that position yeah in the same way that if
06:19:42
Brian Atlasyou take away rights to an abortion you are also forcing women you're not actually no because I mean look there's certain situations where women are assaulted and that's terrible but the
06:19:53
Brian Atlasvast majority of women are getting abortion of convenience they got not they got pregnant they're their consensually their boyfriend you
06:20:04
Brian Atlasknow this most women are getting abortions be like their boyfriend knocked them up you know this yeah yeah with Brian's point though like
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Jordanmen being drafted to war you know they're going to have a risk of you know dying right so we're talking about actually taking away life that's here to your point if if you believe that life doesn't begin until a certain amount of
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Jordantime I don't know what your belief system is on that you're saying because we're taking away a potential life
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Jordanversus taking away an actual life that potential life is worse than actual life um women actually have a higher chance
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Misra/Kendall/Kylaof dying during pregnancy have a higher compared to men compared to what no I'm so sorry I'm men don't get pregnant from like the your first prancy is like your highest
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Misra/Kendall/Kylachance okay what are the exact numbers on that relatively low well I'm just saying there's still a chance just like the war yeah of course there's there's I mean it's the same as the war no it's not the same here we're going to move on
06:21:09
Brian Atlasa little bit but one fin Oneal thought on this so I think what would be fair in states where abortion is legal I think men should have a corresponding right
06:21:20
Brian Atlascalled Legal paternal surrender to if the woman gets pregnant and he can make some sort of legal election to not be uh
06:21:30
Brian Atlasfinancially responsible he can wave his parental rights yeah I would agree with that and I actually think that would be a very
06:21:39
Brian Atlasstrong platform for pro-choice people to present to perhaps shift more men to the pro-choice Side by saying let's bundle abortion rights with legal paternal
06:21:51
Brian Atlassurrender in any state where this is legal gentlemen if say you're dating a girl she wants to keep the kid you're not ready to you're not financially ready you're not emotionally ready all the same reasons that women give for
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Brian Atlashaving abortions I think men should be able to uh legally surrender their uh parental rights yeah which includes no so not
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Maddie Rubeing compelled to pay child support basically yeah I think within a certain time frame that you should be able to make that decision and sign off on it
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Brian Atlasand it be legal yeah I yeah that's my position if there was a middle ground then yeah I guess that's fair mhm if
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Brian Atlasthere was I think that would honestly be a big W for the pro-choice Movement try to you know appeal to to some men on this I don't know anyways um okay let's
06:22:47
Maddie Ruget a couple chats in then we're going to try to wrap up here very soon okay so we have can you read this one Maddie deleting your unborn child is not your body you are ending the life of your own child who is yet to be born so
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Maddie Ruselfish how is that so hard to understand mhm I'll just never have a kid in this world without a good partner I think
06:23:10
Brian AtlasDave Chappelle has a joke like if you can actually it's kind of Dave Chappelle should I say it say it he has a joke it's like well if you can murder the kid
06:23:20
Brian AtlasI can at least I should at least be able to abandon it yeah fair fair right my wallet my choice no yeah that's good yep all right we have OPC
06:23:33
Maddie RuDon I've heard through the grap Vine that Grace Thorp has been invited to be a guest on the show can't wait to see her on she will definitely be one of your most introducting podcast guest yet
06:23:44
Brian Atlasuh yeah we still need to SK get that scheduled but uh I've been messaging with her we have another one here it's coming in so you are are a few cells as well
06:23:56
Maddie Rueveryone is by your logic I can go around and delete whoever I like before whenever I want actually no because those cells didn't have a
06:24:05
Maddie RuConsciousness so profound oh hold on this one's coming in one sec can you read that one an abortion is never a necessary Health
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Maddie RuCare When a Woman's Health is at risk it's called an atopic pregnancy this is not an abortion please educate yourself on pregnancy oh okay all right and then
06:24:28
Brian Atlaswe have this one oh hold on sorry not sure why that's not coming up oh wait what that one
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Brian Atlasalready came up weird uh let me skip that let's see hold on is it going to trigger I'm not sure okay let me read this one can you read this one Brian uses this draft point so much as if it's
06:24:51
Maddie Rua good argument draft hasn't happened in half a century no one is worried about getting draft it'll never happen is Tech advances we have peeps volunteer for the military it isn't
06:25:02
Brian Atlascomparable okay wait actually leave it up because I'll address it okay first off um so the draft was used in the Vietnam War so there are men who were
06:25:15
Brian Atlasdrafted in the Vietnam War who would have still been alive today had they not been drafted and there are men who are alive today who were drafted in the Vietnam War who
06:25:26
Brian Atlashave significant injuries who have injuries of Mind who have PTSD so yes it's still relevant absolutely now if we look at other
06:25:38
Brian Atlascountries for example if you look at the Ukraine Russia conflict if you look at the uh conflict in the Middle East right now uh that's certainly relevant and I
06:25:50
Brian Atlasactually think we're closer to war now than in any point in the past I don't know since the Cold War basically um
06:26:02
Brian Atlaswe're I I don't think the draft is irrelevant um and also when it comes to the draft even if we're not currently engaged in some military conflict where
06:26:11
Brian Atlasthere's a prospect of the draft being uh initiated there are still consequences as a man if you do not register for the
06:26:20
Brian Atlasselective service for example while there hasn't been prosecutions for this in recent history it's still technically a crime it's a felony you can go to jail
06:26:32
Brian Atlasfor I think it's 5 years there's a $250,000 fine also you're not eligible to vote if you don't register for the draft or excuse me register for the selective service if you don't register
06:26:43
Brian Atlasfor the Selective Service there's also certain federal ramifications you can't get certain federal jobs you can't get federal student loans you're barred from um certain federal program if you're not
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Brian Atlasregistered for The Selective Service so even if there's not an actual ongoing draft if you're there's gender there's gendered ramifications exclusively for men that negatively impact men uh on
06:27:09
Brian Atlasthis front so also look I'll point to a modern conflict look at the war in Ukraine Ukraine isn't exactly a Western Country
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Brian Atlasbut if you you can look at it all the men had to stay in the country you as a man you had to stay in the country if you were in Ukraine all the women could
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Brian Atlasleave the country that seems rather unfair to me all the feminists disappear when there's a war there's no more feminists
06:27:40
Brian Atlaswhen Russia invades your country in fact you know it's very funny let's talk about often you hear terms like male privilege right men are privileged uh while the men had to stay in Ukraine
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Brian Atlasand could not leave the country could not flee the country we're talking like 18 19 20 21 year old Ukrainian men you had Ukrainian women who could leave the country
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Brian Atlascountry and they're going to Stockholm they're going to the UK they're going to a safe territory they're going in the club they're partying they're on
06:28:16
Brian AtlasTinder while the Ukrainian men they're their uh their uh male counterparts are dying in Ukraine so actually there's a wait there's a
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Brian Atlasreally good vote oh wait hold on okay we can't pull it up someone made a compilation video of like they people were taking screenshots
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Brian Atlasof Ukrainian women on dating apps in like Sweden in the UK living their best lives and then like on the other side of this photo there's like just dead bodies of Ukrainian
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Brian Atlasmen so we should we should have a conversation about female privilege oh oh male
06:29:07
Brian Atlasprivilege anything no nothing not going to get any push back tonight there's no male privilege what's that there's no male privilege okay all right there you go uh okay let's see oh there's this one
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Brian Atlasyou $111 to message me right now oh okay can you read this one oh sorry wrong one this