CONFRONTING Viral Gym E-girl! 50 Body Count At 21?! Makeup DEBATE! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #139
Date: 2024-02-28
Duration: 7h 18m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_02Maddie Ru(guest)
SPEAKER_03Misra/Kendall/Kyla(guest)
SPEAKER_04Gym man (clip)(audience)
SPEAKER_05Maddie gym (clip)(audience)
SPEAKER_07Joey Swole (clip)(audience)
SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_10Kayla(guest)
SPEAKER_11Q (Jquan)(guest)
SPEAKER_12Music/Clips(audience)
SPEAKER_13Jordan(guest)
SPEAKER_14Megan Robinson(guest)
Key Moments
00:00:11
IntroBrian Atlas opens show; introduces himself and co-host Kiki.
“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast... I am your host Brian Atlas I'm joined by my co-host Kiki back there she's a bit shy”
00:03:30
IntroMaddie Ru introduces herself: 21, OnlyFans creator, Orange County CA. Viral gym e-girl.
“hi I'm Maddie Ru I'm 21 I do only fans... California... Orange County”
00:04:14
IntroMisra introduces: 21, former OnlyFans, originally Izmir Turkey, currently Riverside CA.
“misra um 21 and I did only fans um I'm in between right now... originally turkey but right now Riverside... ismir”
00:04:58
IntroMegan Robinson introduces: 22, mindset coaching business, podcast 'Lessons in Self-Love', Washington DC.
“my name is Megan Robinson I have a mindset coaching business and I have a podcast called lessons in selflove I'm 22 years old and I'm from Washington DC”
00:05:42
IntroKayla introduces: 30, Las Vegas, stripper/author/starting real estate.
“my name is Kayla um I'm 30 I live in Las Vegas um I'm a stripper an author and I'm also starting real estate”
00:06:02
IntroJordan introduces: 25, married, owns private gym in Riverside with husband, personal trainer.
“hi thank you for having me my name is Jordan I'm 25 my husband and I own a private gym in Riverside we also do personal training online coaching entrepreneur I'm a wife and a dog mom”
00:06:25
IntroQ (Jquan) introduces: 31, behavioral scientist, certified relationship coach, YouTuber, author.
“Q uh the Q behavioral scientist certified relationship coach YouTuber entrepreneur author age 31 government name jquan”
00:28:00
Key MomentBrian confirms viral gym video was scheduled before it went viral — Maddie was invited back 2-3 weeks prior to the viral incident.
“she's been on before and I actually reached out to you to invite you back before the whole viral thing like we had scheduled you to be on today's show like two weeks ago”
00:29:52
Key MomentMaddie asks whether adding bounce to the squat was deliberate — admits she added it because it looked sexual when filmed. Posted with caption 'wondering when I'm going to be recognized from my leg day warmup'.
“I realized that it looked kind of sexual and so I started adding like a bounce to it... I started filming it for reels... I always put that clip with a caption that says wondering when I'm going to be recognized from my leg day warmup”
00:50:11
Key MomentQ argues Maddie was eliciting a sexual response deliberately and played innocent with 'I can't believe I'm not allowed to stretch' caption.
“it's the Innocence it's the position of Innocence that you took... you've already stated that that's what you were trying to do overtly... that's what you were doing”
01:35:00
QuoteMisra reveals Turkish ex cheated on her 33-36 times; she moved to Turkey for him.
“he cheated on me like I think 36 times... I moved to Turkey for him though that's why”
01:36:00
Key MomentMisra reveals sex addiction: approximately 30 partners in one year during first year of college (age 19), after Turkish ex cheated on her ~36 times. Therapist diagnosed sex addiction.
“I would say like probably 30... I would say one year... I went to therapy cuz my friends actually made me cuz I was actually having like a really bad problem and then he was like I think you have a sex addiction”
02:07:00
Key MomentBrian's core argument: women who make a new man wait while having slept with others quickly are presenting a false standard. The McDonald's $1000 cheeseburger analogy.
“everyone in the restaurant paid $1 for a cheeseburger... I get to the front of the line ask for a cheeseburger and the clerk looks at me and says it's $1,000 for you sir”
02:18:00
Key MomentQ reads his viral list of concerns about women with high body counts: oxytocin depletion, pair bonding damage, hidden STIs, divorce correlation, paternity uncertainty.
“i'd be concerned about the long-term benefits of dealing with promiscuous women I'd be concerned about your oxytocin receptors densified to the point where you can't effectively parabond... increased risk of divorce... paternity uncertainty which means a promiscuous woman is more likely to cuck you”
04:00:00
Key MomentJordan removes makeup on camera during makeup debate to test Brian's claim that women look better without it.
“I'm going to take it off and then you're going to like lower my rating just to be rude... I'm not... take my word for it”
04:03:00
QuoteBrian rates Jordan after she removes makeup: says she looks attractive with or without makeup.
“I tend to think women are look as good or sometimes better without makeup uh I think you're an attractive women woman with or without makeup”
05:09:40
Key MomentGirls rate Puffy Vegas (regular donor) on his Instagram photos. Ratings: Maddie: 2, Misra: 3, one guest: 1.5, another: 0. Brian objects to 0.
“rate him on a scale of 1 to 10... two... three... 1.5... a zero... what the f... zero would be like significant facial asymmetry like deformity”
06:08:20
Key MomentBrian proposes 'legal paternal surrender' — if abortion is legal, men should be able to legally wave parental rights and child support obligation within a time window.
“I think men should have a corresponding right called Legal paternal surrender... if the woman gets pregnant and he can make some sort of legal election to not be financially responsible he can wave his parental rights”
06:37:00
Key MomentMaddie reveals she reported her ex to the government for disability fraud (he was faking a disability to avoid getting a job while she considered buying him a car and paying for therapy).
“I've reported my ex for disability fraud and sent in videos of us to the government... he was lying to me about having a job he was faking disability”
06:37:50
ControversyKayla admits to slashing tires, throwing bricks at cars, putting sugar in gas tanks, and hitting partners (all directed at cheating men). She is bipolar.
“I have sliced tires I have thrown bricks and cars I put sugars in tank... I've hit... I'm bipolar... and I've done that in more than one person”
Topics Discussed
00:00:11
Show intro and guest introductions
Brian Atlas opens from Santa Barbara. Introduces co-host Kiki. Guests introduce: Maddie Ru (21, OnlyFans, OC CA), Misra (21, Turkey/Riverside, former OF), Megan Robinson (22, DC, mindset coach), Kendall (19, SBCC, San Diego), Kayla (30, Las Vegas, stripper/author), Kyla (18, SBCC, Santa Barbara), Jordan (25, Riverside, gym owner, married), Q/Jquan (31, behavioral scientist/coach).
00:10:00
Relationship status round
Brian goes around table: Maddie single ~1 week (celibacy claim); Misra in new relationship 1 week (Turkish BF moved from Turkey); Megan in relationship 10 months, premarital counseling (no sex until marriage); Kendall in relationship 1 month (frat boy); Kayla single ~2 years (one child, ex trying to return); Kyla unknown; Jordan married 6 months (together 6 years); Q single.
00:18:20
Maddie Ru gym viral video discussion
Brian and panel discuss Maddie's viral plie squat video at LA Fitness (~300M views). The video: man approached, kicked her phone, she posted captioned 'I can't believe I'm not allowed to stretch at the gym'. Discussion of whether it was staged, whether exercise is legitimate, whether it was sexually provocative. Joey Swole reaction video played — he says both were wrong: man shouldn't touch property, but woman was deliberately sexual. Brian notes Maddie's pattern of sexual gym captions pre-dating the viral incident. Q argues she was eliciting sexual responses for attention/money.
00:56:00
Makeup debate: deception or enhancement
Discussion of whether makeup is deceptive. Q argues it can constitute legal action (joking). Jordan removes makeup on camera. Brian says he thinks women often look as good or better without makeup; compliments Jordan. Maddie also takes off most of her makeup on camera — Brian says there's still some remaining. Discussion: women do makeup for other women as much as for men; beauty industry is 90% women; men find hard-to-achieve body standards (require gym/steroids) more demanding than female beauty standard (which just requires low body fat).
01:11:40
Beauty standards: men vs women body expectations
Brian argues male beauty standard (superhero physique: Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Henry Cavill) is harder to achieve than female beauty standard (Scarlett Johansson, Gal Gadot). Men need elite genetics + years in gym +/- steroids. Women can achieve aspirational body through diet alone. Jordan (trainer) partially disagrees: women must maintain through workout too; hormonal changes make it harder over time. Maddie raises that birth control makes women more attracted to feminine men. Photos of thin men vs thin women shown; panel debates.
01:22:00
Height and physical appearance preferences
Brian asks everyone's height and minimum male height requirements. Heights: Maddie 5'10", Megan 5'9", Misra 5'5" (min 5'10"), Kendall 5'3" (as long as taller), Jordan 5'4" (min 5'9"-ish, husband is 5'9.5"), Kyla 5'2 3/4" (min 5'9"). Current/past boyfriend heights listed. Discussion of dating app height filters.
01:30:00
Waiting for sex and body count discussion
Extended discussion: Brian asks whether women who had quick sex with previous partners then make a new guy they like wait is fair. Misra shares she would make a guy wait to avoid losing feelings (as happened during sex addiction period). Brian presents multiple analogies comparing the dynamic (McDonald's $1000 burger; prior dates got 5-star meals but new girl gets McDonald's; etc.). Q reads his viral list of concerns about high body count women: oxytocin depletion, pair bonding damage, hidden STIs, divorce correlation, paternity uncertainty. Panel mostly disagrees with Brian's framing but agrees it's understandable from male perspective. Jordan defends Misra: it's about her healing, not being fair to the guy.
01:34:00
Misra's sex addiction and depression story
Misra reveals that during first year of college (age 19), after her Turkish ex cheated on her ~36 times, she had sex with approximately 30 men (some repeats) in one year. Therapist diagnosed sex addiction at around 10-15 partners. Friends dragged her out to parties; she would drink and hook up; sex provided dopamine relief from depression. Fastest hookup: within first hour of meeting. She was being diagnosed while processing the abandonment/cheating trauma. Panel debates whether 'sex addiction' label is correct vs depression/low self-worth. She now uses sex to cope when very depressed but differently. Current boyfriend knows her history and is supportive.
05:09:40
Ratings: girls rate Puffy Vegas (regular donor)
Puffy Vegas (a regular TTS donor) requests to be rated by the panel based on his Instagram photos. Brian scrolls his Instagram. Ratings: Maddie: 2; Misra: 3; Kyla: 1.5; another panel member: 0. Brian objects to a 0 rating, says 0 would require significant facial deformity.
05:31:10
Q's story: obsessive long-distance hookup
Q tells story of woman he was casually seeing long-distance (Long Island to Philadelphia). She took a bus to see him. After he posted a Spanish lyric about liking Spanish-speaking girls, she called him 54 times consecutively. He answered on the 55th call. She was on a megabus at 2am coming to Philadelphia. They had sex and she left. He never spoke to her again.
06:08:20
Abortion and bodily autonomy debate
Brian argues forced military conscription is a greater bodily autonomy infringement than denying abortion access. Maddie disagrees, says they're similar. Jordan is pro-life: if not ready for motherhood, not ready for sex; adoption is an option. Brian proposes 'legal paternal surrender' as policy that could be bundled with abortion rights. Kayla: had abortion (got pregnant on birth control with abusive partner). Jordan: abortion has lasting mental health impact. Debate on when life begins.
06:15:00
Women's self-assessed dating flaws
Q asks panel what flaws they bring to relationships. Maddie: OnlyFans, sex tapes with other men, social media presence. Misra: moody/hangry, ignores people when mad. Kayla: violent reactions to cheating (slashed tires, bricks in cars, sugar in gas tanks, physical fights) — bipolar. Megan: emotional volatility (working on it). Jordan: needs partner validation on appearance, can have an attitude (improved significantly). Misra reveals revenge story: reported Turkish ex to immigration/his US sponsor after finding out about cheating; filmed it.
06:16:20
Kayla violent behavior story and bipolar discussion
Q asks panel about behavioral flaws. Kayla admits to: slashing tires, throwing bricks at cars, putting sugar in gas tanks, hitting partners. All directed at men who cheated on her. She is bipolar. Panel reacts with shock and humor. Brian says she reminds him of an ex.
06:30:00
What women expect from men they date
Q asks women to list their expectations from partners. Maddie: honesty, transparency, passion/drive, respect. Discussion of whether passion for niche topics (World of Warcraft) counts. Brian goes on extended World of Warcraft tangent (world buff meta for classic WoW).
07:13:20
Wrap-up
Brian wraps the show. Plugs Twitch, Clips Channel, Discord. Show ends.
Transcript
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03:42:05
Brian Atlaslike here I'll find it I'll I'll find it hold on which one did you want yes you are all wrong yeah but I'm just going to send it to
03:42:15
Brian Atlasyou oh my God just pull down can you just show us the page and I'll just yeah it's the Mi
03:42:25
Jordanone one yeah also my husband does prefer me without makeup so I also don't really wear makeup because of that too it's kind of low quality okay that's me when
03:42:36
Jordanit comes to makeup okay so um you object to my view on makeup what is your sense of my view I think that your view is saying
03:42:49
Jordanthat you know maybe you think it's unfair that woman can wear makeup and we can look all cute but a guy you're you're just you have to go all
03:43:01
Brian AtlasNatty you know so maybe you're envious of that I'm not envious but they're so I mean I have a couple different positions on this my first position to address the actual thing that you just said was uh
03:43:14
Brian Atlasthere is certainly double standard so men are expected to accept women's usage of makeup and not have any objections to it despite
03:43:24
Brian Atlashow significantly can totally transform how you actually look whereas I bet most women who there's no second thought when it
03:43:35
Brian Atlascomes to applying a full face of makeup will very quickly judge a man who wears it to pay who wears a cap but he's actually bald who would judge a man for wearing makeup even though I don't
03:43:47
Brian Atlasrecommend it uh you would judge a man for wearing lifts in his shoes you would judge him for doing any sort of comparable or similar deception or fraud
03:43:58
Brian Atlasor veneer or facade when it came to his physical appearance you would certainly judge him you would think he's insecure if he were to change like use something
03:44:08
Brian Atlasfake to enhance his physical appearance like if a guy showed up to a date wearing a muscle suit or some you'd be like the but women will wear push-up bras or even fake they'll stuff
03:44:20
Brian Atlastheir bras they'll wear like butt pads and you know okay so I think those what are the waste trainers I don't know what they those things are those
03:44:31
Brian Atlasthings okay so and men are supposed to accept your deception and your deceit whereas too deep that's just literally too deep to me it's just makeup
03:44:41
KaylaI could see if it was like loads and tons of makeup but I'm like it's just I don't understand it makeup compared to like a butt pad also right like well I'm just giving some I don't agree with the
03:44:52
Jordanbutt pad stuff in I mean if you don't got boobies rock your little boobies okay well women women employ plastic surgery also okay wait let's go back like if a man got if a man got bicep
03:45:03
Brian Atlasimplants you would think it's ridiculous ially most women would be like he's a clown but you guys are putting that in your chest okay but you could work out for bigger biceps I
03:45:15
Brian Atlascan't work out for bigger tits I know that's why you got to accept it and listen I'm I'm I think small boobs are great I don't give a about boobs well don't look not big
03:45:26
Jordanboobs are great small boobs are great don't give a okay but like see I'm part of the small City committee part of the small City committee I respect his opinions and my husband has seen me
03:45:38
Jordanwithout makeup many I mean for years and he pre he prefers me like that or very very minimal maybe just little mascara and like tinted blush or something mhm
03:45:49
Jordanum and so that's why I say 99% of the time I don't wear it but I don't think there's anything wrong or it's really not that deep if a girl wears makeup
03:45:59
Jordanbecause it literally goes back centuries again if she's trying to if she's trying to completely um what's the word if she's trying to completely modify how she
03:46:11
Jordanappears with makeup and like change her appearance then yeah you know if she's going out every single day like that you know and she's completely covered up then yeah I can see that being a
03:46:23
Jordanfacade but like you look at a girl even when she has makeup or not you'll know she's pretty let me ask you a question in all instances if makeup didn't make you look
03:46:35
Brian Atlasbetter regardless of how minimal the makeup you apply is if it didn't make you look better in some capacity why would you otherwise wear it because we enjoy the process and when we were little we had dolls and we played with
03:46:48
Jordanmakeup and we played with our mom's makeup it goes back to our childhood just like you played with cars we played with makeup and Dolls it's literally ingrained in us to like beauty related things let me add that to my list of
03:47:02
Maddie Ruother things when it comes to my daughter she doesn't get makeup until she's 18 I would also argue a l wife would disagree use it as art form I don't care like people that do like a
03:47:12
Brian Atlaslot of makeup you know what I mean my wait hold on hold on she disagrees she's not going to my wife isn't going to disagree with me on this I can guarantee you that I don't think you can guarantee
03:47:22
Brian Atlassomething that hasn't happened yet well I can I can no I can guarantee it because I I mean the woman who I would marry would probably share my my
03:47:33
Brian Atlassentiments on this like I'm I typically I'm not dating women who cake on makeup typically the women I date wear minimal or no makeup so you have to think about it
03:47:45
Jordanlike every movie like you see like the woman has makeup on and she's seen as beautiful even like you think about like the gisha with like the white paint on their that looks terrible
03:47:55
Brian AtlasI'm sorry I'm just going to say it the makeup that's dog you're being disrespectful I'm not being disres it's not disrespectful to think that that level to talk crap about somebody's culture that's not talking crap about
03:48:08
Brian Atlassomebody's culture no it's it's not yes it is how is it talking I I don't object aren't gishes prostitutes okay fine sorry Japanese
03:48:18
Brian Atlaspeople yes prostitution is terrible whether whatever term you apply to it cool anyways back to my point hold hold on whoa whoa whoa whoa one sec so
03:48:30
Brian AtlasI'm not I'm I'm not allowed to be critical of somebody else's culture no let me ask you a question so let's talk about culture right do you object to s the Saudi government disallowing women
03:48:43
Brian Atlasto drive cars do I object to it do you do you think women should be allowed to drive cars in Saudi Arabia yes how hold on you're being very dis you're being very
03:48:55
Brian Atlasdisrespectful to their culture no what do you think about women who are required to wear uh hijabs I don't really have an opinion about that you don't have an opinion no I don't I don't really understand the
03:49:09
Brian Atlascoaches let's and I'm not making a Jud either way but I'm asking you you have you have no let's say a woman doesn't have the right to dress as she wants in certain cultures do you object to
03:49:20
Jordanthat yes well hold on you're being very disrespectful of Muslim culture I'm saying that you're going oh that's ridiculous like yeah looks like I'm sorry it looks like clown looks he's
03:49:30
Brian Atlassaying how it looks yeah I I don't think it looks it looks weird okay and I think they're they're it's like the white uh it's cultural it's white face okay
03:49:41
Jordancultural appropriation well like Asians especially Chinese do the more pale your skin is more am I going to get canceled for this anyway is this cancelable conversation
03:49:53
Brian Atlaswhat huh that actually wasn't even my point though what I was just saying is you wanted to like virtue signal Brian that's very disrespectful first off I'm let me show some respect to the Japanese culture Nick can you pull up the bwing
03:50:06
Brian Atlasvideo Let me let me show some respect I I actually you know my will this is my future wife here okay go ahead play it I want to Bow I want a woman who will
03:50:18
Brian Atlasbow for me I very much I have immense respect for the for Japanese culture for Asian culture I I'm I want to you know get uh you know I'd like a woman to bow
03:50:30
Jordanfor me look at that attentive getting me a drink oh no she's wearing makeup right H she can get rid of it you know it's
03:50:42
Brian Atlasokay all right look she's stirring my noodles look at that she's great look at the bow again let's get ready for the you know the tricks they do for hooded eyes what I'm talking about the bow look at
03:50:53
Brian Atlaslook at that bow that was huge see I have I want a woman who will bow that's crazy okay so anyway trying my best guys I have immense respect for the
03:51:04
Brian AtlasJapanese culture okay I just aesthetically I think the gay should doesn't I don't like it yeah I mean japanes I'm sorry it doesn't look good I don't think it looks that great either
03:51:17
Jordanbut I'm but my point was who stop disrespecting their culture rude but see my choice of words were different than your choice maybe I was a bit abrasive whatever you that that was the only thing I was trying to say was I little
03:51:29
Brian Atlasare gisha is not prostitutes I don't know I thought GES were prostitutes isn't that hold on am I wrong here someone in the chat's like or send send a chat
03:51:41
Brian Atlasgeisha's G oh okay I thought okay Hostess trained to entertain men with conversation dance and song what were they not historically
03:51:52
Brian Atlasknown as was okay I could be a hold
03:52:04
Brian Atlason okay I don't know the history on this whatever okay let's continue go ahead what I don't even know what we were talking about
03:52:15
Jordanmakeup okay um can you why don't you look up on your computer how far back does makeup
03:52:26
Jordango because it goes back very far and it's like you're trying to like put a stop to something that there's really
03:52:35
Brian Atlasthere's nothing negative about it okay so okay war war goes your brain going so War goes back very far does
03:52:45
Brian Atlasthat mean that that's a good thing we've been Waring with each other humans have been Waring even before makeup
03:52:55
Brian Atlasexisted does that mean that that's the natural like well I shouldn't say I don't want to use I don't want to use the word natural do you think that that means that it's a desirable
03:53:07
Jordanthing I would say that if a woman chooses to enhance
03:53:15
Jordanher beauty yeah with makeup she's not lying to you she's not being a facade because you could easily just ask her on a date and ask her to not wear
03:53:28
Brian Atlasmakeup or take her swimming oh God we got to find a makeup video where I go in on makeup actually oh I think I added one Nick it's in the makeup tab we'll look at it so you said it's not lying
03:53:38
Brian Atlasand it's not not a facade so Nick let me I think I showed you the video that I was wanting to pull up you got it name you're going to show an extreme transformation so you're going
03:53:50
Brian Atlasto I am going to show an extreme transformation that's right you it's a blonde blonde lady I'm pretty sure it's in the makeup
03:54:00
Productiontab oh it's on the Tik toks so there's like a bunch and then you want me to pick one right it's the first it should be the or the the last tab in the makeup tab
03:54:09
Brian Atlasyeah and then which girl was it I what do you mean which one was it well it's it should be the last one that I added to the makeup
03:54:20
Productiontab that's Tik Tok wait you're you're getting up in I have to be okay we'll have to put a pause on on the okay did
03:54:30
Brian Atlasyou find it he's okay do you need to go and then really fast okay okay okay all right it's kind of interrupting but all right so you wouldn't date a woman who wears
03:54:45
Brian Atlasmakeup depends how much preferably minimal or no makeup though so why would you be concerned about other women wearing makeup I frankly I don't give a you can do whatever you want but
03:54:58
Brian Atlaslike if we're having a convers like a if we're trying to have a conversation about it like my my view on it is that it is decep
03:55:10
Brian Atlasand you can dance around at all you want but if it didn't change your appearance for the better in some capacity you wouldn't you wouldn't wear it I wore it because I'm on camera as of
03:55:23
Brian Atlastoday do you think yeah but let me ask you a question M what okay I'll engage that so do you think most women are who wear makeup
03:55:34
Kaylaonly do so when they're on camera um like you know women who go to school go to work I don't really concern myself who never who are never on camera myself I'm just talking about myself right but I'm not this conversation is
03:55:47
Brian Atlasnot strictly about women who are invited on to podcasts or on
03:55:57
Maddie Ruvideos what is your question again I'm sorry what is your what's your question on he's saying that makeup is deceptive and he'd prefer a girl with no makeup minimal makeup
03:56:16
Brian Atlasum I know you you guys are probably all super triggered by this just say go ahead say I'm not triggered by it I I'm anti- makeup I'm sure you guys are very
03:56:27
Brian Atlasagainst that I would say that like wearing a lot of makeup I got I got a video that a trigger room what's that I got a video at a trigger room here why I read Maddie
03:56:38
Maddie Rucan you read this chat here hold on this one mailing it in to deliver a performance without commitment or effort with lackluster
03:56:50
Maddie Ruresults that is what that means but Brian is awesome so I don't get why anyone said that about him ignore the haters Brian they are jealous of your success yeah I thought it had a negative commentation what but comment seem so
03:57:03
Brian Atlaspositive yeah I know that's what confused me maybe it's like normally make I was confused okay Nick do you have the video it's a blonde woman
03:57:14
Productionum can I just show you the tab of the Tik toks yeah you can even drag it over here so I can see it you don't need to minimize that you or actually yeah you do okay hold on
03:57:27
Brian Atlasguys we're getting it pulled up nope okay here no no no leave it there leave it there I'm going to direct you okay um makeup
03:57:37
Brian Atlastab uh I think it's the top the one above it no no no NOP
03:57:47
Brian Atlasno it's the second to last no second to last second to last down here yeah I can you click it so I can make
03:57:58
Brian Atlassure can you click it yeah yep that's it okay here just bring it over so okay so we're going to look at this video this is a pretty substantial
03:58:11
Brian Atlastransformation I don't think it's like one of those super extreme ones I've seen some really extreme ones go ahead audio or no audio no audio just go
03:58:30
Brian Atlasahead damn yeah that's too much okay now play Play It Again Play it again okay
03:58:39
Brian Atlasactually hit pause hit pause on that go back to the very beginning uh don't play it let's see her face okay there now scroll just scroll to the very end or
03:58:52
Brian Atlasjust put it at the very end so we can see the no I'm sorry that's that's an insane transformation that is that K do
03:59:04
Q (Jquan)you deny that that's totally different she looks totally different she beat her face it looks good though tell Nick to pull up tell Nick to pull up my makeup yeah Nick can you pull up Q's did you isn't a DM
03:59:17
Maddie Ruyeah you can kind of tell if a girls wearing a lot or not it's an a DM yeah give me a second the girls are silent because they know it's true I said something a full face and like slight
03:59:29
Brian Atlasmakeup is different yeah you can you can tell you admit so if I can admit that that's like a pretty extreme transformation can you admit that it's a scale yeah so like perhaps like it's not
03:59:41
Brian Atlasall the way over here but maybe it's in the middle right and so it's enough to create a from if we're talking about dating right it might be enough to be
03:59:52
Brian Atlaslike oh she's a no but like the makeup could put a put her over into the like I think she's attractive yeah okay deception boom Checkmate you could also work out and look a lot better too I agree and
04:00:04
Brian Atlasactually it's funny to me these women who are who's like you you'll see like a woman who's overweight or obese spend time
04:00:16
Brian Atlasputting on makeup and I think you'd be much better suited by hitting the gym but what's easier I agree that's a very good point
04:00:26
Brian Atlasmakeup you can instantly transform yourself you can instantly add one two points to your attractiveness yeah they don't want to put in that that uh Sweat
04:00:36
Q (Jquan)Equity do you have the the video oh oh it's cute it is me oh I think there should really be limitations on how much makeup women can wear I mean
04:00:48
Q (Jquan)the is sorcery it's deception it's manipulation it's catfishing women give themselves a whole bunch of features that they don't have y'all get yourselves eyebrows y'all don't have cheekbones y'all don't have lashes y'all
04:01:00
Q (Jquan)don't have lips y'all don't have skin y'all don't have and then when y'all take it off y'all look smeared I've never seen human beings look like like you drew them on a piece of paper and then you just erase all the most
04:01:12
Q (Jquan)prominent features in certain areas and that's what you're left with but that's how y'all look a lot of y'all be looking sickly without it cuz you wear it so much and you wear too much of it y'all be looking like y'all either have a
04:01:21
Q (Jquan)severe cold the flu or or the suds that's legit a turn off when you meet a woman you see her face that's what you're attracted to initially that face that you see when y'all have on this makeup and then you take it off and we
04:01:34
Q (Jquan)realize that that's a whole madeup face that you just put on top of what that is under it that's scary how the is that not grounds for prosecution y'all should be subject to legal action I think there
04:01:45
Q (Jquan)should but you just called a woman dude that's so B he wants to criminalize Q you you want to criminalize women listen what what we just saw was grounds for
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Q (Jquan)what I just said okay okay that fits the criteria for exactly what I'm explain in the video it should be a crime you should go to prison can I ask you something I'm kidding in that videoon was there filter on your face the
04:02:09
Jordanoriginal filter it's called the original filter still a filter it's called the original filter it kind of smoothed out your face a little bit smooth out your SK yeah but it's called the called the original filter but that's you should
04:02:19
Jordanyou should have raw doged that video so we can really make get the essence of your message make that's not makeup that doesn't undermine my message either nor does it a little bit that's kind of what makeup does to us it Smooths out our
04:02:31
Q (Jquan)face it gives y'all the face y'all don't have that filter gave you the smoothness that you don't have don't have that smoothness no I you have smoothness oh okay thank you I appreciate it there we
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Q (Jquan)go just said it I got okay so not to that so then there's no difference you tried it but it's not really a difference no I did it I didn't try no you tried it because you wore a filter and your message was literally to be
04:02:54
Jordanunfiltered at the end of the day at the end of the day make up is sorcery like I said so are filters we should get rid of filters then we should get rid of filters get we should get do a lot of videos without filters yeah so you
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Q (Jquan)should have did it without a fil I'm just saying to really get a whole essence of your message you should have did it without a filter N I think they got the gist of it it got enough likes it went viral I got you though I kind of
04:03:17
Brian Atlasthere's certainly like there's certainly a difference though when for example could we make this argument of like let's say someone's involved in a theatrical production and that person's a male and in the theat theatrical
04:03:29
Brian Atlasproduction typically they apply eyeliner even to men they'll put on makeup not even to change your face but they do apply makeup in a theatrical production
04:03:39
Brian Atlasand we can almost extend this to for example um you know somebody who's creating content online or involved in a
04:03:47
Brian Atlasfilm of some sort now I don't think Q using a filter in a non-romantic setting like what I'm making an argument from these are women who were choosing
04:03:59
Brian Atlasto date these are women who we see on dating apps who are using filters who are wearing makeup when we go and meet them in person they're wearing makeup if you know if meeting organically in person say at you know at a not that I
04:04:12
Brian Atlasrecommend bars or nightclubs but say you meet a girl at a bar or nightclub she may very well be wearing a full face of makeup so I don't think it's a totally fair comparison because Q was using a
04:04:23
Brian Atlasfilter to like when he meets a girl on the first date there is no filter exactly there he's not wearing any makeup whereas if he meets a girl on a date she's probably wearing makeup but
04:04:34
Jordanthat's the thing about online right it's like you don't like we don't always see the raw footage when it's online you know the funniest part about all this my husband's probably at home
04:04:45
Jordanlaughing going I agree with you Brian cuz my husband's not a fan of of makeup either maybe not to your degree he likes when I wear a little bit here and there but I just he does prefer me without it
04:04:57
Brian AtlasI just don't get this whole like I'm sure like okay if makeup didn't improve your physical appearance in some way if it didn't do that you wouldn't wear it
04:05:09
Jordanyou already made that point and I said we enjoy the process we enjoy the process we enjoy how it makes us feel like me when I'm like doing if I do my makeup like I said I do it like literally less than 10 times a year so when I but when I do it though it's kind
04:05:22
Jordanof like when I'm doing my skincare it's like I enjoy that time maybe I put a podcast on maybe I put some music on I enjoy the art of it like being able to go hm what kind of look do I want today
04:05:34
Brian Atlasyou know it's nice it's fun it's it's enjoyable like okay that's that's totally cool your motivation aside if we're speaking within a dating
04:05:43
Jordancontext whatever your reasons for doing it maybe like it is deceptive but don't we all do that on the first date like don't you want to put on your best look on your first date like you're going to
04:05:55
Brian Atlaswear a shirt that like compliments your shoulders and like you don't know about my first date I would assume you put sweatpants I'm wearing sweatpants in the flan maybe you wear like extra nice cologne oh I don't wear cologne either
04:06:08
Jordaneither I and I'll tell a girl don't wear perfume that smells disgusting you're big streem but I'm I'm high maintenance you're a bit extreme I'm actually say you're low maintenance
04:06:20
Brian Atlastechnically CU I'll tell a girl that don't don't perfume I don't know man it doesn't I don't like the smell okay that's that's a different conversation though yeah that's different
04:06:33
Jordanum but again like you should wear deodorants fine I wear deodorant but cologne no that I just honestly think if you look at a woman whether she's wearing makeup or not you can for the most part like again that example is
04:06:46
Jordanreally extreme but for the most part you can tell like okay this woman has natural beauty or not like if you look at me right now and go I don't think you'd be pretty without makeup I think that you're Delirious well that's not
04:06:56
Brian Atlaswhat I'm arguing but see it's it's like trickery it's it's deception because we make like Snap instant assessments that
04:07:08
Brian Atlasare subconscious even about somebody oh are they attractive are they not attractive now if we take like a decent like a look you know we can sort of
04:07:18
Jordanstart sussing out okay she's wearing makeup but I mean again we like no amount of makeup can make a woman just go from like butt ugly to we just showed
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Jordanyou one okay okay but honestly she was being a bit dramatic like she was like oh making a funny face and she didn't have hair done and she was being a little bit dramatic she was really showing her worst angles like if you if
04:07:43
Brian Atlasyou do a video and it's like your worst angle and you're like making a double chin and you're like doing all this crazy stuff like yeah you might not look it's pretty bad F if you put her if without the makeup you put her if you do
04:07:55
Brian Atlasit before and after exact same angle lighting face exact same it's night and day difference yeah some women they go
04:08:04
Brian Atlaslike OD I get it but not Dentures can you get find the it's in the makeup tab there's the Dentures video that one's pretty crazy
04:08:15
Brian Atlastoo so I mean you know yeah look here's the thing right the makeup industry is a I looked this up
04:08:25
Brian Atlasthe global cosmetic industry is a $500 billion year industry it has a vested interest in keeping you essentially slaves to the paint as I call it you're
04:08:37
Brian Atlasslaves to the paint you're going to fight for you're basically this is like some I'm not going to do the Matrix thing you're going to defend it because
04:08:48
Jordanuh you know you are you're are beholden to the paint I would say I'm beh holding to the paint cuz I don't really wear it but I know a lot of a lot of women do and I
04:09:00
Jordandon't think there's really anything the makeup industry the Cosmetics industry if you're going to be in a relationship with her you're going to see her without makeup eventually you're going to see her without makeup okay let me ask you guys
04:09:11
Brian Atlasa question then would you object to a man breaking up with a girl if say they went they were dating for they've been on 10 dates and then he didn't see her without makeup until the 10th date and
04:09:23
Brian Atlasthen he's like whoa this woman is not as attractive as I thought she was fair or not fair to break up with
04:09:32
Brian Atlasher I think it's fair fair oh it's fair don't don't let me bully you just because I'm very convincing don't let me bully you into a position that you don't
04:09:44
Brian Atlasactually hold I mean no I think it's fair yeah if you're not attracted to someone anymore you're not attracted to someone anymore let me ask you what about this do you think that on dating apps women should include at least one
04:09:55
Brian Atlasphoto of themselves without any filter or makeup yes yeah that seems fair I do that seems fair ni do you have the video that go ahead no play it yeah we don't need
04:10:12
Brian Atlassome no nice body though whoa It's a pretty big transformation I mean and this is like play it one more time oh
04:10:22
Brian Atlaslook at all those recommended videos for the whatever podcast once again I mean I don't like you might want to
04:10:34
Brian Atlasclaim that that's Glam I actually think that that's like scam I think that a lot of women would do that amount of makeup a lot of women like I don't think
04:10:45
Brian Atlasthat's a crazy amount she's she it's like full face right but I don't like you'll see you'll meet a girl at a club wearing that much makeup you'll meet a girl in person wearing that much makeup yeah with
04:10:56
Maddie Ruextensions and everything yeah with all that I'm just saying yeah but like some that like some guys like like the full Glam look you know what I mean so it's
04:11:07
Jordanlike teach their own hey teach their own do you think it's fair if a woman gets with a guy and he had like a full sixpack and then he gained 50 lbs and she's like you know what it's a bit different but no but I'm just saying cuz
04:11:21
Brian Atlasthat's really what you're working with right as a guy would it be fair for her to dump him yeah yeah if she's not physically attracted to him anymore he it could be evidence of some sort of uh
04:11:31
Brian Atlashe's not being disciplined he's lazy um the the circumstances of the initial physical attraction could change um she's within a right to break up with
04:11:43
Jordanhim uh honestly I think it's not she also might not care she might not care if you're going on a on a date with a woman and it's like you know you only go on a date or two and you've only seen her
04:11:56
Jordanwith makeup okay this is not really going to affect you but like if you get into a relationship then obviously you should see her without makeup and then at that point you can make an assessment that you want to make but I don't think
04:12:06
Jordanyou should you know deem women as like Sorcerers because they decide to wear a little bit of mascara and a little bit of blush like I don't think that's ever a negative thing okay well the thing is
04:12:18
Brian Atlasthough is that when I was on dating apps and I no longer am I mean I can't tell you the this wasn't just a rare thing every single profile like I could pull up I think I
04:12:30
Brian Atlasstill have like I don't use it but I still have like one of the dating apps uh I think I've it's connected to Facebook or whatever it's the Facebook dating um I could like pull up pull out
04:12:42
Brian Atlasmy phone and we could swipe together looking at the women the the first photo you're going to see it's 99% of
04:12:51
Brian Atlasprofiles filter or makeup or both and then maybe some of them have a a photo that's not them in makeup or not
04:13:01
Brian Atlasfiltered but there will be more than I would argue more than 50% their entire profile is filter Andor makeup or both so this is something that's very
04:13:13
Brian Atlaslike women you don't really I mean look there's dudes on dating apps I guess who use filters I think it's much less common than women but it's like every single
04:13:24
Q (Jquan)profile every single photo I don't know what you actually look like and I've experienced it in person because I've went out with a lot of my followers I'm
04:13:35
Q (Jquan)not going to lie about that and and the girl I see that I'm following and the girl that shows up sometimes I don't even realize it's the same person so it's not the same level of attraction that I that I have when I see them when
04:13:48
Q (Jquan)I'm following them and then I meet them in person it's completely different so that's what we saying like y'all saying no it's not as profound as we're making it but when you actually experience it
04:13:59
Jordanit occurs pretty often if you ask me I I honestly think like I do agree that the Extreme Measures is sorcery or scam as you would say but
04:14:11
TTS/Donationswould you have an issue with a woman who's already very beautiful and decides to wear natural makeup Bender the offender donated $100 good question here's a question who created and socially enforces the current Beauty
04:14:24
TTS/Donationsstandard for women starting with you go
04:14:31
Jordanahead starting with you starting with me yeah oh I was asking him a question but it's fine um um who created and soci en for the current I don't know I can't answer
04:14:44
Brian Atlasthat I don't know let me ask you a question so the Cur uh well it's kind of changing now
04:14:53
Brian Atlasbut if you had to point to an individual who has probably been responsible for a large swath large swaths of women getting breast implants lipo
04:15:07
Brian Atlasin bbl's a famous woman or well famous person who is that individual Kim Kardashian
04:15:18
Brian AtlasCheckmate no I want to answer he he's saying that he's saying women create he's answering the question's saying women create men don't ask for for your fake nails and your lip filler and your
04:15:31
Brian Atlascaked on makeup and your fake tits and your bbls we don't ask for that so so in other words it's seexual competition we're not asking for that but to answer your question what what did you say you
04:15:42
Jordansaid if I have a so my question was like would you have a problem if you were say dating a woman who's already very
04:15:50
Jordanbeautiful um naturally without makeup but here and there she decides to wear natural makeup when you're going out maybe it's like socially like do you
04:16:02
Q (Jquan)have a problem with that I've been in this situation plenty of times and honestly I don't have a problem with it but my preference is still for her natural beauty check yeah I don't have a problem with it but my preference is I prefer lip
04:16:14
Jordangloss because he just agreed that there's no problem with natural makeup and that's what I've been advocating for natural makeup I do have an natural makeup right now I'm a little spruced up
04:16:26
Q (Jquan)this isn't normally how I would wear makeup if I were to I would ditch the ey Shadow for sure like I said the last girl I was seriously dating when I first met her she wore makeup like a lot and then when I seen her naturally you know
04:16:39
Q (Jquan)she started not wearing it because I was like I don't you look better without it and there's and then there's been women who don't wear makeup and as soon as they put it on I actually think they look worse with makeup than they do without it because I've gotten so used
04:16:52
Q (Jquan)to seeing them without it and their natural beauty is what I'm accustomed to so when they put it on I'm like what the like what did you just do not all women know how to wear makeup either or
04:17:00
Jordanknow how to apply it but but my my point is is that you know if if if you think she's beautiful either way then you're you not you're not going to have an
04:17:12
Jordanissue with it not maybe not as much as Brian okay yeah not not as much as Brian Brian's a little bit more extreme but I understand but I understand hear you say I did hear
04:17:24
Jordanyou say as I was walking to the restroom that you would date a woman who wears a little bit of makeup or something like that me yeah I think I heard you say
04:17:35
Brian Atlasthat uh you said it depends how much she's wearing right my strong preference is to date a woman who wears minimal or no makeup so
04:17:47
Brian Atlasif she's wearing a bit of eyeliner honestly anything that goes on your face don't like it don't like it immediately if you're wearing a bit of mascara or
04:17:57
Brian Atlaseyeliner that's not the crime of the century I don't like lipstick gets on me don't anything that can get on me it's a preference don't like it's a preference because some guys do like makeup some
04:18:10
Jordanright because they want to take the blue pill they want they ignorance is bliss but just just because they like women with makeup doesn't neg the fact that they still like their wom lie they
04:18:22
Brian Atlaswant to believe the lie they because they can trick their mind into thinking that you're more attractive than you actually are okay so my husband's Asian right his
04:18:34
Jordanhair is flat like straight and flat but when he puts it up it just does something to me I just like when his hair is up a little bit it's not when put his hair up not
04:18:45
Jordanequivalent that's not equivalent facial attraction facial attraction is is something totally different than the hairy it does it changes his look
04:18:56
Jordansee his like forehead's cleared out you know I like it and it and to me it's a significant change to me it's it's significant but
04:19:07
Brian Atlasbut that's his actual hair that that comes down to styling it's these are my
04:19:16
Brian Atlaslashes okay look it It ultimately comes down to by wearing makeup you're depriving us of making an informed decision about your true attractiveness
04:19:26
Brian AtlasI don't deprive anybody they see me without makeup a lot right but like okay if you are let's say you're going to a party where you anticipate meeting a guy
04:19:37
Brian Atlasand you want to uh you know you're single ready to mingle you're wearing a full face of makeup well you are changing your physical appearance and
04:19:49
Brian Atlasmen are not able to like especially if it's dark know throw in some alcohol you you're certainly like by wearing makeup you are changing your appearance I
04:20:01
Jordansuppose men are so oblivious that they don't really notice like what she's wearing or what product she's wearing and you're kind of debating on a topic that maybe you don't really understand makeup as well as women do so like we
04:20:12
Jordanknow we know what we're wearing maybe you don't know exactly what we're wearing right which adds to the which adds to the deception and the facade sure I like I said I saying if you're
04:20:24
Brian Atlasgoing extreme then yeah that's that's doing too much and and I would argue I'm actually I have a fairly good assessment of you know looking at a woman being able to assess if she you know her
04:20:36
Brian Atlasdegree of makeup usage but like take an 18-year-old 19-year-old guy who's naive who maybe doesn't have a lot of dating experience who doesn't even know that
04:20:46
Brian Atlasyou know what to really be looking forh he might get bamboozled yeah he might and he's a sucker and he'll learn right so it's a
04:20:56
Brian Atlastrick it's a trick it's a deception you can also find ways to trick a woman absolutely and that's wrong how about this let me ask you a question
04:21:06
Brian Atlasso would you like to know before like here's the reality right most women like men with a full head of hair agree or disagree panel agree agree you like a man with a full head of hair right I
04:21:19
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04:21:30
TTS/Donationswithout makeup extensions and wi gremin looking I will take my makeup off ugly # get the Rocks # Brian is9 body at
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Brian Atlas19 here you go here's some Neutrogena makeup remover there you go I don't like Neutrogena make go ahead I prefer Avon and and you have to hold up the the wipe so we can see how much comes off no I'm
04:21:56
Jordangoing to take it off and then you're going to like lower my rating just to be rude I'm not no I'm not going to lower your rating yes you will no I'm not you just said he won't I just said I won't take my word for it
04:22:11
Brian Atlasokay okay she's doing that has this ever been done before yeah we've done it before really yeah I've never seen that any other girls want to you want you want to do it you said hold on yeah you pull my videos up actually I'm not
04:22:23
Jordantaking off my makeup you said you look better without me pull up pull it up I'm not am I getting paid for
04:22:30
Jordanthat she said she was going to do it yeah actually CH the terms and say you just said you would do it now you are you going to pay me for it I'm why why
04:22:42
Brian Atlaswould I pay you to take your makeup off you're trying to make a point by saying oh I don't look that fine I don't care but I will take one to go though cuz I I
04:22:52
Brian Atlasneed to take one to go though oh I travel here like yeah I I'm all out sorry all right let me read a couple chats I think I'm going to need more than one oh I'll give you more cuz I
04:23:04
Brian Atlashave to have to do it very th Bri Brian Islam doesn't Force specific items or style of clothing hij means barrier of modesty and his a guideline enforcing it is ISL Islamic law it's a
04:23:15
Brian Atlascultural issue in a few select countries uh a mirror okay I'm just doing this blindly it's not that great I wasn't by the way just to be clear I wasn't I
04:23:26
Brian Atlaswasn't make taking a position on uh cultural positions in these various countries I was just countering her argument to uh her accusations of me being dis culturally disrespectful
04:23:39
Brian Atlasantenna boy oh don't throw by the way don't throw out the wipe you said you need more right I might need more okay please don't throw I want you to bring back the wies right here you have to bring back the W you want me to throw it here I'm
04:23:51
Maddie Ruthrowing it catch [Music] go uh bring back the wipes so we can hold them up to the camera okay you're done yeah I took half for
04:24:02
Brian Atlasyou I mean there's probably still a lot more on your face I mean I
04:24:07
Maddie Ruhave you what I have where's half half off on there's more damn even on
04:24:21
Brian Atlascamera I'm doing the other side now do uneven it's awkward good good talk okay uh we have antenna boy yeah believing makeup is deception tricker tricker and
04:24:32
Brian Atlasblasphemy didn't say that just sounds like some incel there literally nothing wrong with a woman trying to make herself look her best and enhancing her beauty it really ain't that deep yeah that's cool but like keep keep that
04:24:44
Brian Atlassame energy ladies for dates when a guy shows up with a cap and actually he's bald you you're telling me you wouldn't feel a little bit deceived if he's bald be
04:24:56
Brian Atlashonest sure but I think men care a lot more about looks than women I actually disagree with you me too I think women care way more visually stimulated by
04:25:05
Megan Robinsonlooks think women will date a guy who's not like their type but men won't like date or marry a woman who's not their type for the long term and he has to overcompensate in some
04:25:17
Q (Jquan)way I don't know he can be less attractive but he has to be more attractive in other areas to make up for the fact that he's not as physically attractive I think I think women care
04:25:30
Brian Atlasway more about looks than men do and here's why here's a couple reasons why what do you guys think like I'm not alone in in this right I think women care about looks but
04:25:42
Misra/Kendall/Kylain a sense of how do I say like I don't know how to like exactly say this but like I think it's more of like show show us the paper
04:25:52
Brian Atlasshow us how much got e hold it up to this camera here that's actually so little yeah right see that I mean I can see it on on the piece of paper and
04:26:04
Misra/Kendall/Kylathere's you could probably take off more and granted I think you said you're not wearing all that much wait so what was your point I was just saying like women usually wear makeup like for other women
04:26:17
Brian Atlaslike it's usually not for no no we were saying who's who cares more about looks that was the conversation but I know but like the point of makeup
04:26:26
Brian Atlasis like isn't that like the topic well but you said that while men care more about looks and I countered I actually said well actually
04:26:37
Brian AtlasI think women care more about looks than men care about women's looks I'm agreeing with you though but I'm just say like it's for I'm confused well to really quickly to address antenna boy
04:26:49
Brian Atlashere um nothing wrong with a woman trying to make herself look her best okay well there is something wrong with it if
04:26:59
Brian Atlasit's changing your physic physical appearance to such a degree that a would feel deceived it really comes down to that
04:27:11
Brian Atlasnow listen here's the reality it's socially it's socially acceptable makeup is socially
04:27:24
Brian Atlasacceptable I feel like you it's a socially it's a socially accepted lie it's a socially accept yeah we but you're arguing like the most extreme case of makeup I'm not though all of
04:27:36
Brian Atlasthese girls here today are wearing maybe a little bit of makeup but it's I don't think so I'm here in 4k and nah not
04:27:46
Maddie Rureally I mean compared to the video that you showed like the none of this is full Glam or full you know sure I don't know I feel like it's not
04:27:57
Maddie Rureally deceptive anyone here and this is do you want to take your makeup off no okay look okay I'm trying to oh like the average woman the average woman that you
04:28:09
Maddie Rusee in the street at the grocery store out like we're not talking about at a club cuz but the average woman that you're seeing out you're at Whole Foods okay they're not wearing a full face of makeup
04:28:24
Brian Atlascool okay so you're arguing for an extreme there I'm not because if I download a dating app right now and I you sit next to me and I'm swiping on Tinder and we're looking at the the
04:28:35
Brian Atlasfirst photo that comes up I guarantee you 90% of the the first photo it's going to be full face of makeup and then perhaps it's a lower percentage of the entire every single
04:28:48
Maddie Ruphoto in her profile she's wearing makeup so I don't know what she actually looks like okay that's fair but with the whole thing with like women caring about looks more than men yeah that's what I
04:28:59
Maddie Rureally want to talk about then why do you see unattractive men with more attractive women wom then you see the opposite well because women are generally slightly
04:29:10
Q (Jquan)more attractive than men yeah scientific fact yes women are generally yeah women get women are rated higher than men are rated yeah women are generally slightly more attractive than
04:29:23
Brian Atlasmen y'all are supposed to be the pretty sex yall are supposed to be it's kind of the way we evolve that's kind of more women's realm too if there's an entire industry the beauty industry and let's say like the
04:29:35
Brian Atlascons consumer base of that industry is 90% women and you're you're going through you're spending this money and going through this effort to make yourself look more physically attractive
04:29:46
Brian Atlasthen that'll just naturally end up bolstering your physical
04:29:53
Brian Atlasappearance okay so I took my makeup off you're still wearing makeup but it's okay did you save it hold it up to the camera hold it up to that camera she's not hold it up hold it up to what what
04:30:04
Brian Atlasmakeup am I wearing there's still a little lingering I I think I see a little lingering I'm not saying look I'm you took most of it off you understand here hold it up to the camera hold it up to
04:30:16
Megan Robinsonthe camera right there I think you look like the same he still look beautiful it rating go down hold it up to the camera okay hold it up to the camera where's the other one you said there was two oh
04:30:26
Brian AtlasI only us one she didn't use I didn't open it give the seal is still intact give it back thank you um I should have threw it at you like you threw it at me
04:30:37
Brian AtlasI I gently tossed it to you and you caught it congrats yeah so okay so what's your question did my rating go down I'm I told you I wasn't going to
04:30:49
Brian Atlasrate you that was my condition I did not go through all of this work do you know I'll actually give you this I I tend to
04:30:59
Brian Atlasthink women are look as good or sometimes better without makeup uh I think you're an attractive women woman with or without makeup thank
04:31:11
Brian Atlasyou you're welcome okay really quick really quick to adjust the whole women caring more about looks okay so here's here's my view on this and you guys are free feel
04:31:21
Brian Atlasfree to weigh in so I think women care a lot a lot about things physically speaking that are totally outside of a
04:31:31
Brian Atlasman's control things like height uh you could even I mean height hair and if a man's balding
04:31:42
Brian Atlasthat's really out of his control um penis size physical size and then we can also talk like race skin color that's a component to women
04:31:52
Brian Atlasare far less likely to men are more likely to or more willing to date outside of their race than the reverse MH um and perhaps the I think the soul
04:32:05
Brian Atlasholy um ah there's stats on this I I I I haven't committed them to Memory but men are more likely to date outside their race um so there are more things out of
04:32:17
Brian Atlasour control that are a really big deal for women oftentimes deal breakers then the reverse so like I said height whoops
04:32:26
Brian Atlashold there's height there's uh there's Balding penis eyes that's out of our control whereas the things we care about about when it comes to your looks aside
04:32:37
Brian Atlasmen who have like a very very who care about breast size an ass size yeah which ass size women can control to some extent uh through
04:32:49
Brian Atlasexercise um really the primary thing that you know in terms of you can control when it comes to your weight weight women can control height we can't control that so
04:33:02
Maddie Ruthat's why I think women care more about looks than men do yeah I'd say men care more about looks for women and I say women care more about
04:33:14
Maddie Rulike money and stuff like that you know what I mean I feel like all that stuff kind of blows over depending on how much M literally wearing a t-shirt that a size queen this is for my gay
04:33:25
Maddie Rusister this was a gift to her and I'm wearing it in spirit of her tonight a size queen is a woman who wants who a big dick yeah yeah I'm also
04:33:37
Brian Atlasmanifesting so yeah clearly you want a guy okay penis sizes how how big of a pen do you want the thing is is like if you look at all of my old videos if you
04:33:48
Maddie Rulook at my stuff pinned on Twitter like my ex was average is is f i don't know I don't want to burn my eyes anymore
04:33:56
Maddie Rubut um so like if it's a like nice person that I like like spending time with and it's an average size dick I don't care but if he's a jerk and an
04:34:08
Brian Atlasbut he has a huge dick you'll tolerate disrespect and poor treatment because he's compensating or he's he's uh bringing something else to the table
04:34:18
Brian Atlasme personally no okay but like is a big dick nice like of course Okay cool so look a lot of women have a penis siiz preference height preference right here
04:34:29
Maddie Rulet's go around the table uh how tall are you and like you have a bman minimum height preference for a guy um I'm 510 and I've dated all the way
04:34:40
Maddie Rudown to 5'6 okay do you prefer a guy to be taller than you um I don't care okay yeah what about you 52 do you have a
04:34:51
Megan Robinsonheight preference as long as he's taller than me so 53 totally cool with it yeah doesn't sound like the truth but okay I'm 5'9 and I have gone on a date
04:35:03
Megan Robinsonwith a guy who was 5'8 but after you're explaining like your perspective on that I see what you're saying I there wasn't a second date with that guy was there well for other reasons not because it was height but
04:35:16
Megan Robinsoninteresting um I think I was thinking more of men like to have an attractive women woman cuz that like gives them more status whereas women don't really care about the status like if their man
04:35:28
Q (Jquan)is not as good-looking if they love their man they're still going to be with their man yeah well you had me in the first part women are more attracted to status I get what you're saying I get I get what
04:35:39
Brian Atlasyou're saying but I mean maybe the way you worded it just but I get what you're saying okay if women didn't really care all that much about looks actually hold
04:35:49
Misra/Kendall/Kylaon I'll come back to that we were going around the table go ahead um I'm 55 and I think like minimum for me is like
04:35:59
Misra/Kendall/Kyla510 okay um I'm 53 and as long as he's taller than me okay I'm 5'4 and I
04:36:06
Jordanhonestly like don't mind TI like wait what about you um I'm 5'2 and 3 quarters um like 5'9 and up but I do
04:36:19
Jordanwant to add that on average women are shorter than men and so I think that kind of goes just with it's just natural that they're
04:36:31
Jordangoing to date a man who's a little bit taller now the penis thing I think that's a little bit ridiculous and I also think that men care more about beauty and women care
04:36:41
Brian Atlasmore about status yeah yeah well I I can give you an argument but really quick on the hide thing how tall is your husband 59 and a
04:36:51
Misra/Kendall/Kylahalf uh you were in a relationship right how tall was your boyfriend he was like five like eight five mon how tall was your last
04:37:03
Brian Atlasboyfriend I think we were like the same height H how tall is your uh is your current boyfriend 6 feet okay how tall
04:37:11
Brian Atlasis your boyfriend 63 63 okay 510 510 61 and then the one before that 5' seven
04:37:22
Jordanokay well I mean a lot of women say you know he it's not that big of a deal but women are shorter on average than
04:37:32
Brian Atlasmen on average right but you'll have videos of women who are like 5T saying like they they'll have like height requirements for men and this is also evidenced as what's going on on
04:37:44
Brian Atlasdating apps women can filter by height and they've actually looked at they've done analysis on this women will filter like put in a filter and say I want to date a guy above this
04:37:54
Jordanheight but some some guys also say I only date blondes it's true or blue eyes or big butt or big boobs he's saying that those are things that you can
04:38:06
Maddie Ruchange though you can change your hair color you can get implants you can get a BBL but he cannot do anything to make his bone structure
04:38:16
Jordantaller I mean the resort to not having make yourself taller no yeah there is a surgery yeah you can get a surgery to make yourself taller um and also there is a surgery you can get to change going
04:38:27
Brian Atlasaround the table question so have who here's been on a dating app just show of hands who's been on dating apps no never been on a dating app never been
04:38:38
Brian Atlason a dating app never been never been no You' been okay what percentage of men do you swipe no on on a dating app well probably
04:38:50
Brian Atlas99.8 probably the same how many do you swipe no on like most of them yep what about you like 99.9 wait hold on so on dating apps where you're really just making a very