CONFRONTING Viral Gym E-girl! 50 Body Count At 21?! Makeup DEBATE! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #139
Date: 2024-02-28
Duration: 7h 18m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_02Maddie Ru(guest)
SPEAKER_03Misra/Kendall/Kyla(guest)
SPEAKER_04Gym man (clip)(audience)
SPEAKER_05Maddie gym (clip)(audience)
SPEAKER_07Joey Swole (clip)(audience)
SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_10Kayla(guest)
SPEAKER_11Q (Jquan)(guest)
SPEAKER_12Music/Clips(audience)
SPEAKER_13Jordan(guest)
SPEAKER_14Megan Robinson(guest)
Key Moments
00:00:11
IntroBrian Atlas opens show; introduces himself and co-host Kiki.
“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast... I am your host Brian Atlas I'm joined by my co-host Kiki back there she's a bit shy”
00:03:30
IntroMaddie Ru introduces herself: 21, OnlyFans creator, Orange County CA. Viral gym e-girl.
“hi I'm Maddie Ru I'm 21 I do only fans... California... Orange County”
00:04:14
IntroMisra introduces: 21, former OnlyFans, originally Izmir Turkey, currently Riverside CA.
“misra um 21 and I did only fans um I'm in between right now... originally turkey but right now Riverside... ismir”
00:04:58
IntroMegan Robinson introduces: 22, mindset coaching business, podcast 'Lessons in Self-Love', Washington DC.
“my name is Megan Robinson I have a mindset coaching business and I have a podcast called lessons in selflove I'm 22 years old and I'm from Washington DC”
00:05:42
IntroKayla introduces: 30, Las Vegas, stripper/author/starting real estate.
“my name is Kayla um I'm 30 I live in Las Vegas um I'm a stripper an author and I'm also starting real estate”
00:06:02
IntroJordan introduces: 25, married, owns private gym in Riverside with husband, personal trainer.
“hi thank you for having me my name is Jordan I'm 25 my husband and I own a private gym in Riverside we also do personal training online coaching entrepreneur I'm a wife and a dog mom”
00:06:25
IntroQ (Jquan) introduces: 31, behavioral scientist, certified relationship coach, YouTuber, author.
“Q uh the Q behavioral scientist certified relationship coach YouTuber entrepreneur author age 31 government name jquan”
00:28:00
Key MomentBrian confirms viral gym video was scheduled before it went viral — Maddie was invited back 2-3 weeks prior to the viral incident.
“she's been on before and I actually reached out to you to invite you back before the whole viral thing like we had scheduled you to be on today's show like two weeks ago”
00:29:52
Key MomentMaddie asks whether adding bounce to the squat was deliberate — admits she added it because it looked sexual when filmed. Posted with caption 'wondering when I'm going to be recognized from my leg day warmup'.
“I realized that it looked kind of sexual and so I started adding like a bounce to it... I started filming it for reels... I always put that clip with a caption that says wondering when I'm going to be recognized from my leg day warmup”
00:50:11
Key MomentQ argues Maddie was eliciting a sexual response deliberately and played innocent with 'I can't believe I'm not allowed to stretch' caption.
“it's the Innocence it's the position of Innocence that you took... you've already stated that that's what you were trying to do overtly... that's what you were doing”
01:35:00
QuoteMisra reveals Turkish ex cheated on her 33-36 times; she moved to Turkey for him.
“he cheated on me like I think 36 times... I moved to Turkey for him though that's why”
01:36:00
Key MomentMisra reveals sex addiction: approximately 30 partners in one year during first year of college (age 19), after Turkish ex cheated on her ~36 times. Therapist diagnosed sex addiction.
“I would say like probably 30... I would say one year... I went to therapy cuz my friends actually made me cuz I was actually having like a really bad problem and then he was like I think you have a sex addiction”
02:07:00
Key MomentBrian's core argument: women who make a new man wait while having slept with others quickly are presenting a false standard. The McDonald's $1000 cheeseburger analogy.
“everyone in the restaurant paid $1 for a cheeseburger... I get to the front of the line ask for a cheeseburger and the clerk looks at me and says it's $1,000 for you sir”
02:18:00
Key MomentQ reads his viral list of concerns about women with high body counts: oxytocin depletion, pair bonding damage, hidden STIs, divorce correlation, paternity uncertainty.
“i'd be concerned about the long-term benefits of dealing with promiscuous women I'd be concerned about your oxytocin receptors densified to the point where you can't effectively parabond... increased risk of divorce... paternity uncertainty which means a promiscuous woman is more likely to cuck you”
04:00:00
Key MomentJordan removes makeup on camera during makeup debate to test Brian's claim that women look better without it.
“I'm going to take it off and then you're going to like lower my rating just to be rude... I'm not... take my word for it”
04:03:00
QuoteBrian rates Jordan after she removes makeup: says she looks attractive with or without makeup.
“I tend to think women are look as good or sometimes better without makeup uh I think you're an attractive women woman with or without makeup”
05:09:40
Key MomentGirls rate Puffy Vegas (regular donor) on his Instagram photos. Ratings: Maddie: 2, Misra: 3, one guest: 1.5, another: 0. Brian objects to 0.
“rate him on a scale of 1 to 10... two... three... 1.5... a zero... what the f... zero would be like significant facial asymmetry like deformity”
06:08:20
Key MomentBrian proposes 'legal paternal surrender' — if abortion is legal, men should be able to legally wave parental rights and child support obligation within a time window.
“I think men should have a corresponding right called Legal paternal surrender... if the woman gets pregnant and he can make some sort of legal election to not be financially responsible he can wave his parental rights”
06:37:00
Key MomentMaddie reveals she reported her ex to the government for disability fraud (he was faking a disability to avoid getting a job while she considered buying him a car and paying for therapy).
“I've reported my ex for disability fraud and sent in videos of us to the government... he was lying to me about having a job he was faking disability”
06:37:50
ControversyKayla admits to slashing tires, throwing bricks at cars, putting sugar in gas tanks, and hitting partners (all directed at cheating men). She is bipolar.
“I have sliced tires I have thrown bricks and cars I put sugars in tank... I've hit... I'm bipolar... and I've done that in more than one person”
Topics Discussed
00:00:11
Show intro and guest introductions
Brian Atlas opens from Santa Barbara. Introduces co-host Kiki. Guests introduce: Maddie Ru (21, OnlyFans, OC CA), Misra (21, Turkey/Riverside, former OF), Megan Robinson (22, DC, mindset coach), Kendall (19, SBCC, San Diego), Kayla (30, Las Vegas, stripper/author), Kyla (18, SBCC, Santa Barbara), Jordan (25, Riverside, gym owner, married), Q/Jquan (31, behavioral scientist/coach).
00:10:00
Relationship status round
Brian goes around table: Maddie single ~1 week (celibacy claim); Misra in new relationship 1 week (Turkish BF moved from Turkey); Megan in relationship 10 months, premarital counseling (no sex until marriage); Kendall in relationship 1 month (frat boy); Kayla single ~2 years (one child, ex trying to return); Kyla unknown; Jordan married 6 months (together 6 years); Q single.
00:18:20
Maddie Ru gym viral video discussion
Brian and panel discuss Maddie's viral plie squat video at LA Fitness (~300M views). The video: man approached, kicked her phone, she posted captioned 'I can't believe I'm not allowed to stretch at the gym'. Discussion of whether it was staged, whether exercise is legitimate, whether it was sexually provocative. Joey Swole reaction video played — he says both were wrong: man shouldn't touch property, but woman was deliberately sexual. Brian notes Maddie's pattern of sexual gym captions pre-dating the viral incident. Q argues she was eliciting sexual responses for attention/money.
00:56:00
Makeup debate: deception or enhancement
Discussion of whether makeup is deceptive. Q argues it can constitute legal action (joking). Jordan removes makeup on camera. Brian says he thinks women often look as good or better without makeup; compliments Jordan. Maddie also takes off most of her makeup on camera — Brian says there's still some remaining. Discussion: women do makeup for other women as much as for men; beauty industry is 90% women; men find hard-to-achieve body standards (require gym/steroids) more demanding than female beauty standard (which just requires low body fat).
01:11:40
Beauty standards: men vs women body expectations
Brian argues male beauty standard (superhero physique: Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Henry Cavill) is harder to achieve than female beauty standard (Scarlett Johansson, Gal Gadot). Men need elite genetics + years in gym +/- steroids. Women can achieve aspirational body through diet alone. Jordan (trainer) partially disagrees: women must maintain through workout too; hormonal changes make it harder over time. Maddie raises that birth control makes women more attracted to feminine men. Photos of thin men vs thin women shown; panel debates.
01:22:00
Height and physical appearance preferences
Brian asks everyone's height and minimum male height requirements. Heights: Maddie 5'10", Megan 5'9", Misra 5'5" (min 5'10"), Kendall 5'3" (as long as taller), Jordan 5'4" (min 5'9"-ish, husband is 5'9.5"), Kyla 5'2 3/4" (min 5'9"). Current/past boyfriend heights listed. Discussion of dating app height filters.
01:30:00
Waiting for sex and body count discussion
Extended discussion: Brian asks whether women who had quick sex with previous partners then make a new guy they like wait is fair. Misra shares she would make a guy wait to avoid losing feelings (as happened during sex addiction period). Brian presents multiple analogies comparing the dynamic (McDonald's $1000 burger; prior dates got 5-star meals but new girl gets McDonald's; etc.). Q reads his viral list of concerns about high body count women: oxytocin depletion, pair bonding damage, hidden STIs, divorce correlation, paternity uncertainty. Panel mostly disagrees with Brian's framing but agrees it's understandable from male perspective. Jordan defends Misra: it's about her healing, not being fair to the guy.
01:34:00
Misra's sex addiction and depression story
Misra reveals that during first year of college (age 19), after her Turkish ex cheated on her ~36 times, she had sex with approximately 30 men (some repeats) in one year. Therapist diagnosed sex addiction at around 10-15 partners. Friends dragged her out to parties; she would drink and hook up; sex provided dopamine relief from depression. Fastest hookup: within first hour of meeting. She was being diagnosed while processing the abandonment/cheating trauma. Panel debates whether 'sex addiction' label is correct vs depression/low self-worth. She now uses sex to cope when very depressed but differently. Current boyfriend knows her history and is supportive.
05:09:40
Ratings: girls rate Puffy Vegas (regular donor)
Puffy Vegas (a regular TTS donor) requests to be rated by the panel based on his Instagram photos. Brian scrolls his Instagram. Ratings: Maddie: 2; Misra: 3; Kyla: 1.5; another panel member: 0. Brian objects to a 0 rating, says 0 would require significant facial deformity.
05:31:10
Q's story: obsessive long-distance hookup
Q tells story of woman he was casually seeing long-distance (Long Island to Philadelphia). She took a bus to see him. After he posted a Spanish lyric about liking Spanish-speaking girls, she called him 54 times consecutively. He answered on the 55th call. She was on a megabus at 2am coming to Philadelphia. They had sex and she left. He never spoke to her again.
06:08:20
Abortion and bodily autonomy debate
Brian argues forced military conscription is a greater bodily autonomy infringement than denying abortion access. Maddie disagrees, says they're similar. Jordan is pro-life: if not ready for motherhood, not ready for sex; adoption is an option. Brian proposes 'legal paternal surrender' as policy that could be bundled with abortion rights. Kayla: had abortion (got pregnant on birth control with abusive partner). Jordan: abortion has lasting mental health impact. Debate on when life begins.
06:15:00
Women's self-assessed dating flaws
Q asks panel what flaws they bring to relationships. Maddie: OnlyFans, sex tapes with other men, social media presence. Misra: moody/hangry, ignores people when mad. Kayla: violent reactions to cheating (slashed tires, bricks in cars, sugar in gas tanks, physical fights) — bipolar. Megan: emotional volatility (working on it). Jordan: needs partner validation on appearance, can have an attitude (improved significantly). Misra reveals revenge story: reported Turkish ex to immigration/his US sponsor after finding out about cheating; filmed it.
06:16:20
Kayla violent behavior story and bipolar discussion
Q asks panel about behavioral flaws. Kayla admits to: slashing tires, throwing bricks at cars, putting sugar in gas tanks, hitting partners. All directed at men who cheated on her. She is bipolar. Panel reacts with shock and humor. Brian says she reminds him of an ex.
06:30:00
What women expect from men they date
Q asks women to list their expectations from partners. Maddie: honesty, transparency, passion/drive, respect. Discussion of whether passion for niche topics (World of Warcraft) counts. Brian goes on extended World of Warcraft tangent (world buff meta for classic WoW).
07:13:20
Wrap-up
Brian wraps the show. Plugs Twitch, Clips Channel, Discord. Show ends.
Transcript
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01:51:13
TTS/Donationshistory primarily World War I World War II puffy Vegas donated $100 Brian you are correct I don't know a
01:51:23
Brian Atlassingle woman who has a body count under 300 under 300 woman do you know puffy puus Maximus here let me do let me have Maddie read a couple of these chats yo puffy good to see you in the chat man
01:51:36
Brian Atlasthank you so much for your TTS I appreciate your patronage man it's always uh good to have you in the chat um and uh you know maybe yo chat one in the chat or two one in the chat if you
01:51:46
Maddie Ruwant to see puffy on the show two in the chat if you're like nah okay uh Maddie let me have you read this one hi Brian first time donating been listening for months thank you for all
01:51:58
Maddie Ruthe entertainment love the show to the ladies when is the last time you complimented a man on his appearance go ahead um a week
01:52:10
Brian Atlasago today what was it what was the compliment too you're so sexy okay thought I was going to be more vulgar than that but
01:52:21
Megan Robinsonokay I just said you're really cute I told my boyfriend he was handsome like last week I told my boyfriend that I think he's pretty and handsome like a
01:52:32
Kaylacouple days ago um I told my ex who was trying to come back that he looked good oh but I don't know why I said that no you
01:52:44
Kaylajust like him you said you didn't like him what else was I supposed to say he said pict the affirmation guy he sent you a picture yeah he sent me a picture you ain't leaving more of what of just
01:52:54
Misra/Kendall/Kylaof so okay oh he got a response I know you giv him you giving him hope yeah wrong signal about I know I'm bad at that
01:53:05
Misra/Kendall/Kylahonestly oh um like two weeks ago I told someone that they were sweet oh um I probably today or yesterday I
01:53:17
Brian Atlastell my husband all the time he's he's handsome it's perfect yeah Q when's the last time you complimented to blah blah
01:53:25
Q (Jquan)blah man I got told I was handsome today oh by by who by who by a couple ladies by his mom no I'm
01:53:35
Brian Atlaskidding I the last time I complimented a man was my Chilean bodyguard back here and I said that uniform that Chilean military uniform really brings out the
01:53:47
Brian Atlascolor of his eyes really just flattering okay his name's um
01:53:56
Brian AtlasGustavo Gustavo good good you see that no attentive attentive okay all right can
01:54:07
Maddie Ruyou read this one Maddie if a man pushes for sex on the first date he is low value or thinks you are not valuable and is just trying to drop a nut mhm
01:54:16
Brian Atlasdisagree disagree I agree you age AG I agree yeah push oh pushes for sex yeah yeah I agree okay pushes for sex he
01:54:29
Q (Jquan)tacky cuz he's not being he's probably not being authentic he's probably he's probably saying a whole bunch of stupid and trying to run game trying to you know use a whole bunch of cliche
01:54:39
Q (Jquan)lines trying to seduce her verbally he he desperate and women can smell desperate on men when they're desperate so I agree
01:54:47
Brian Atlasokay pushes for sex maybe that's the Crux of it yeah not if sex happens to happen on the first day that's different if he pushes for it though I see okay
01:55:01
Brian Atlasokay let's go back to you you said you had sex addiction let's talk about that a little bit um when did that has that uh you always had that or I thought we
01:55:15
Brian Atlasstopped um it started my first year of college and you're 21 now right yes so when you you were
01:55:25
Brian Atlas18 19 19 so you didn't when did you lose your virginity 17 17 but it it didn't it
01:55:36
Brian Atlasdidn't start until 19 yes okay and so sex addiction it's kind of a vague term what what did that mean how did
01:55:47
Misra/Kendall/Kylathat look like this sounds really weird but genuinely like I felt like I wouldn't have a personality unless I up with someone or
01:55:58
Misra/Kendall/Kylalike not like it wasn't about the person but it was just like about the feeling like I needed that like Val release oh
01:56:08
Misra/Kendall/Kylarelease or validation Comfort it was all the above um it was more
01:56:16
Misra/Kendall/Kylaof so my therapist told me that it was because like of my like abandonment issues so it was just like
01:56:26
Misra/Kendall/Kylathe fact that like I could leave them cuz like I like it's really hard like for me to get like attached to someone and so like when I would like sleep with
01:56:36
Misra/Kendall/Kylasomeone all feelings would like I would lose it like instantly and so like it was just like the fact that I could leave them so it was so you would have
01:56:46
TTS/Donationssex with a guy and then just blame ghost puffy Vegas donated $100 I've been complimented by naturally born woman every day of my life multiple
01:56:58
TTS/Donationstimes a day I would like to come watch your show and live I don't even if I have to be a penal penal penal colony uh thank you puffy we have
01:57:10
Brian Atlasanother one coming in so I'm just going to hold off but um thank you puffy man appreciate your patronage over these many many months Plato the kid 22 donated
01:57:22
TTS/Donations$100 can you ask the panel if they have ever seen some good red Bill videos that are about men being just genuinely better people this feels like a very
01:57:33
Brian Atlasvague uh question they've seen good red first off I doubt the panel even knows what red pill
01:57:43
Brian Atlasis so I I appreciate your TTS but this is a very vague question but you I mean okay it have you ever seen some good red pill
01:57:54
Megan Robinsonvideos that are about men being just genuinely better people I haven't okay yeah no what what is red pill see
01:58:03
Brian Atlasthis okay I could explain what it is red pill is the truth but I'm not sure if God you guys you should I appreciate the patronage Playdoh but you need to
01:58:15
Brian Atlasask like you know what I mean you got to ask like a question that they're going to understand um but you understand right you could
01:58:25
Brian Atlasexplain it well no because I mean my definition of the red pill differs from my view of the red pill is strictly the truth the truth of something other people view it as like this sort of
01:58:38
Brian Atlasdogmatic thing when it comes to intersexual Dynamics between men and men and women and there's like a sort of uh there's Dogma where it's like you know
01:58:50
Brian Atlassome of some of which I agree with some of which I I don't but I mean I'll go around the table on it but I don't understand the
01:58:59
Jordanquestion yeah I agree with most of it okay all right um you were
01:59:09
Brian Atlassaying I don't remember you said you had an anxious attachment style anxious attachment I I think I I was asking okay so you would have sex with a guy one and
01:59:19
Misra/Kendall/Kylathen You' ghost him mhm okay how many times did you do that in a span of like like the whole
01:59:30
Misra/Kendall/Kylatime yeah since she was diagnosed with your or just not not even diagnosed just like your whole life well I don't think like it's been like a whole life type of thing no no no
01:59:42
Misra/Kendall/Kylabut like the first time you just had sex with a dude and just blanked him ghosted him that was the first time cuz that was
01:59:51
Misra/Kendall/Kylalike um cuz I had like my first relationship and that was for 2 and 1 half years and that was the only relationship I had and then
02:00:03
Brian Atlasafter that ended then that's when I started having a sex addiction okay so you didn't goost the guy you lost your virginity too you stay no I don't think it was from the gecko but I mean like
02:00:13
Brian Atlashow many times total did you do that I don't know if you had to give a range probably 30 take this
02:00:25
Jordanokay you're not supposed to gas bed hor sorry judgement free zone Jud no no no I'm not I'm not I'm not judging but but now we know it's been at least 30 puffy
02:00:36
TTS/DonationsVegas donated $100 my bad I'm just delix what I was trying to say is I would like to come watch your show live I don't even need to be a
02:00:48
Jordanpenalties wow you've made it more confusing now thank you puffy Vegas um penalties wait I don't want to I I don't want to come across this judging at all okay the reason I Gess was like cuz I
02:01:00
Misra/Kendall/Kylawanted to understand like why like what like why did why did you do that why did you know like it was I was just very depressed in that moment of my life so
02:01:10
Misra/Kendall/Kylathat was kind of like your outlet yeah like it was like everything would just go away like the guys wouldn't what know your intention right what what is it that would go away what was like I I
02:01:23
Misra/Kendall/Kyladon't know how to explain it cuz like like right now like I don't even think the same right now but um in that moment like I just remember I was just
02:01:32
Misra/Kendall/Kylalike like as soon as like like you like I would come or whatever um and then like I would like leave them like it was just like like just like like I feel like relaxed like I I'm like good to
02:01:45
Brian Atlaslike go to sleep or whatever like did you initiate uh a lot of these uh oh no never no no so you just accept it yeah wait so you said you once you come you
02:01:56
Misra/Kendall/Kylajust like dip well no not dip cuz like like I was just saying like like in general like at the end like after like I would like in general like kind it would just feel
02:02:08
Jordanlike good like can I ask you something did your okay did your ex cheat on you yeah okay so I think okay I think I UND
02:02:18
JordanI I think I understand like maybe where the mindset is coming from because like and this is what I've heard from like other friends that I've had that have been cheated on is like okay so a dude
02:02:30
Brian Atlasdid a dude thing on you right and cheated right cuz dude's cheap any everybody cheats but puffy Vegas donated $100 oh thank you sir thank you puffy I
02:02:41
Brian Atlasjust want to send this for to you he's a brave and a decent man he's a Pioneer thank you puffy that's you okay so this kind of like your way of getting getting back at men right like you're kind of not getting back at men but like kind of
02:02:53
Brian Atlasacting like a like a dude cuz dudes do that H that sounds like I'm not going to lie that's a huge L that's a huge L for a girl to you get cheated on let me just go a bunch of dudes
02:03:04
Q (Jquan)that's saying nobody's saying that's like the hierarchy of morals how are you getting but you can't get me back for coming like you just can't it's never it's never a w like as a guy as a guy
02:03:17
Q (Jquan)like say there's validity to what you just said I wouldn't feel like she got me back like if I a woman and I this is not for her ex Plato the kid 22
02:03:28
TTS/Donationsdonated $100 okay so the videos that I was talking about were videos of men being stoic of men being truly great of men not bending to life and being truly
02:03:40
Brian Atlasmasculine Brian I should have asked candas instead shout out to Candace ownes Candace who Candace Owens is that who you're talking about actually you
02:03:51
Brian Atlasknow what we have a video we'll pull it up later um one of these compilation videos that um I'm trying to see if I can find it
02:04:01
TTS/Donationsuh we'll do that but continue on guys oh oh holy coffee Vegas donated
02:04:10
Brian Atlas$100 have the girls rate this 500 this guy he's a he's a Madman he's a madman dude well do this SEC okay puffy continue on I think you were oh
02:04:22
Jordanokay yeah so I'm not validating what she's saying or saying that I even agree with it but I'm what I'm saying is I'm trying to place my head and where her
02:04:31
TTS/Donationshead was at that at that time I think for a lot of women when Jesus helicopter AR cool donated $100 who is the girl in the back she's
02:04:42
Brian Atlasalways so perfect and quiet Madison I assume they're talking about Madison that's Madison she doesn't speak English she's mute that's why she's so
02:04:54
Jordanquiet go ahead go ahead feel like once I talk then there's going to be something that just go ahead just go ahead okay so um I'm just trying to get inside her head like I think you know for everybody
02:05:07
TTS/Donationsdepression can hit you differently and your mechanism Jes fated $100 respect to talking about it many good men get hurt from woman with that Outlook
02:05:19
TTS/Donationshookup culture wouldn't be as bad if woman took the same self-accountability and tried fixing it agreed mhm thank you hel appreciate it got to take accountability go ahead maybe she should
02:05:31
Jordantalk and then there wouldn't be something that pops up it's better if you just go ahead and make your point that was basically my point I'm just saying that I I I was saying that
02:05:42
TTS/Donationsdepression Jacob W donated don't tell me that again Brian you're wrong sounds like she is SL was using orgasm to cope with emotions godamn now for the reason
02:05:54
Jordanwhy one can only speculate I feel like I could agree to that yes you can't say anything about me saying about popping up anymore um so anyways yeah I think everybody can
02:06:07
Jordanapproach depression differently some people go to drugs some people go to sex some people go to you know drinking so you know I'm not saying it was right but I'm saying I I can understand where you
02:06:17
Jordancame from I was in a very toxic and horrible relationship with my first um boyfriend who's like my high school sweetheart the whole deal I moved in
02:06:27
Jordanwith him it was a whole thing and he broke my heart in many ways he didn't cheat on me not that I know of but he was just a horrible person and so for me
02:06:38
Jordanlike I fell into the promis cuity I I went on a lot of dates kly donated $100 I just wanted to interrupt again
02:06:47
Brian Atlassmile uh thank you hilly all right she invoked the wrath of she invoked the Wrath of the ttss thank you guys appreciate it I'm done honestly because it's honestly it's a coincidence every
02:06:59
Brian Atlassingle time so wait so you said it was about 30 guys where you would um just have sex with them and then what did but would they want I'm sure you're an attractive girl I'm sure they they would
02:07:11
Misra/Kendall/Kylawant to see you again right some of them um I'm like trying to remember but um it was mostly like frog guys so like it was people that like I already like knew
02:07:24
Brian Atlaslike day to day this would this would be like you're out of the party alcohol alcohol's involved you after the party you guys are liquored up yeah and it was like my first year like it was my first
02:07:34
Misra/Kendall/Kylatime like at like college or like in general like without like a boyfriend for the first time and also like my experience like dating like was
02:07:47
Misra/Kendall/Kylavery different and and he cheated on me like I think 36 times 33 36 what the damn you kept count and let it get to 36 I
02:07:58
Misra/Kendall/Kyladidn't but it's because I moved to Turkey for him though that's why I wouldn't do it this time wait like sorry you moved to Turkey
02:08:08
Misra/Kendall/Kylawait so is this the wait it it it's the current dude it's the friend it's a best friend oh okay okay and yeah I moved to
02:08:17
Q (Jquan)Turkey for him and then the guy who cheated on you yes crazy how that works what she did for the guy that cheat she moved to Turkey for the guy that cheated on her 36 times so you was definitely
02:08:29
Misra/Kendall/Kylainto him more than he was into you well I just want to say I didn't know that he cheated on me until after I moved to Turkey yeah so he's cheating with
02:08:40
Brian AtlasTurkish women in Turkey there was a lot okay there could have been some I guess but
02:08:51
Brian Atlasum okay so I have a question wait wait was this what was the age of that relationship from what age to what age
02:08:59
Misra/Kendall/Kylacuz you're 21 now so 17 to 19 17 to 19 mhm okay so this was a long-distance relationship for periods yes okay we are
02:09:10
Misra/Kendall/Kylabasically like engaged like um it was a very serious relationship and it was my first relation was it he cheated on you 36
02:09:18
Misra/Kendall/Kylatimes for her was well yeah okay and also like I I'm obviously Turkish but I didn't grow up in Turkey okay and so
02:09:28
Misra/Kendall/Kylathere's also like the like the cultural differences that I didn't know of like what was like really
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Misra/Kendall/Kylaappropriate obviously back then but yeah okay wait
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Brian Atlasso you said the sex Edition was precipitated by your Depression was The Depression caused because of the
02:09:54
Brian Atlasbreakup of this relationship and the infidelity um partially partially okay so wait but you said that most of these
02:10:04
Brian Atlasscenarios it'd be like frat guys go yeah alcohol was often involved okay it would be like like my friends like would like force me to like go out like they'd be like like oh like
02:10:16
Misra/Kendall/Kylawould you want to be like depressed be in or like go out and so then I would go out and drink too much and then sleep with someone else okay and then and that was so you said that was about 30 times
02:10:28
Misra/Kendall/Kylayou did that like just one night 30 one night stand I would say like probably 30 guys oh 30 guys I I repeat a few okay so some
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TTS/Donationsof them you would but it was ever like ever serious helicopters are cool rigged donated $100 is there any way we can teach her to speak English
02:10:50
Brian Atlasplease uh who Madison back here well here's what you got to do it's really weird um I don't know if you guys heard about that woman who had a TBI and then
02:11:01
Brian Atlasshe woke up or maybe she was in a coma she woke up and she American Woman white woman she woke up and she had like a
02:11:10
Brian AtlasChinese accent Madison is it's not tra it's not like she needs a TBI for some reason she's a she's capable of
02:11:20
Brian Atlasspeaking English when she gets liquored up oh wait hold on no this doesn't work she's not 21 okay never mind I was going to say we have a
02:11:30
Brian Atlaschamp oh my God I'm sorry I'm being a goblin I'm being a little goblino um never mind God damn that was so corny I'm sorry guys all right
02:11:42
Brian Atlasum so okay you recycle a couple of the dudes okay but so so it's like 30 guys what was the span of time where you had slept with these 30 guys during your
02:11:54
Brian Atlassex addiction was it a onee period six-month period I would say one year so like the first year of college okay do you still have a sex addiction no I
02:12:03
Brian Atlaswouldn't say so okay okay good times what were how did we arrive there there was a question I was going around the table on
02:12:14
Brian Atlasthis I'm trying to recall I think it was um how soon did you sleep with the guy or something like that oh yes I recall the question was we're going around the table so have you ever had like one
02:12:26
Brian Atlasnight stand string of one night stands hooked up with whatever guys relatively early but then you stumble upon a guy you actually like and then you make that
02:12:36
Misra/Kendall/Kylaguy wait weeks months whatever to have sex with him yes but that was just because I was trying to actually like like them
02:12:48
Brian Atlasinstead of losing feelings after sleeping with them so I'm I usually I before I give my response I usually like to get around
02:12:58
Brian Atlasthe table first on this so I know you were going through something um however if a girl told me for example that I was
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TTS/Donationsinterested in dating she told helicopters are cool donated $100 I will buy the bottle just to hear the English
02:13:24
Brian Atlastequil nice uh the champagne pop the trigger for that is in the description if you're interested it'll trigger
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Brian AtlasMadison to start talking we'll say that thank you man appreciate it uh so if I was pursuing a girl and she told me
02:13:43
Brian Atlaswell uh six months ago I was going through a period of my life and I had I was having one night stands and sleeping with guys within let me ask you a
02:13:54
Brian Atlasquestion what um from first meeting a guy to having sex with him what's the quickest like 30 minutes have you had that no guys don't laugh don't laugh don't laugh have you had that I'm not
02:14:07
Brian AtlasI'm not attacking you for this I'm just asking like you meet a guy at a frat party from first meeting him to having sex what's the quickest I think within
02:14:18
Brian Atlaslike the first hour within an hour right so if a girl told me uh that she wanted to wait to have
02:14:27
Brian Atlassex with me multiple dates weeks months but then she told me a few months prior she had sex with a guy within an
02:14:37
Brian Atlashour of meeting him it's your prerogative to to hey a week ago you had sex with a guy within 30 minutes of meeting him a week later
02:14:48
Brian AtlasI'm waiting until marriage that's your choice but from my perspective as a guy I'm going to feel like I'm getting a bad deal like I'mma feel a certain type of
02:15:00
Brian Atlasway about that and I would I would be like well that's your choice but I would feel a like a sucker
02:15:10
Misra/Kendall/Kylaif I I just I would feel like a sucker in that situation I mean it depends cuz if I communicate this with like a guy and I tell him like what the situation is and what the reason is and he thinks
02:15:22
Brian Atlasthat way then what I'm understanding out of that is that he just wants to sleep with me in general no not necessarily but you
02:15:33
Brian Atlasyou provided a certain treatment to the other men who you who you had sex with but this guy who you if you want a
02:15:45
Brian Atlaslong-term relationship with him who you perhaps value more than those other guys you're going to make him wait that
02:15:53
Misra/Kendall/Kylamakes me raise an eyebrow well I feel like it really shouldn't because like let's
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Misra/Kendall/Kylasay the other guys for instance that I like slept with or the one that took like an hour um that was someone that I
02:16:12
Misra/Kendall/Kyladidn't care about so I didn't even put any like time into that relationship ship or any thought into it so this
02:16:21
Misra/Kendall/Kylashould like show you how much like effort I'm putting into this here's how here's my translation of that though I thought this is what you would
02:16:33
Brian Atlasbe this is sort of the framing of it I thought you were a better long-term Prospect so I treated you worse than the guy I knew who wasn't assful or toxic but I'm not treating you worse
02:16:45
Brian Atlaswe're just not having sex you were so you're so important to me I'm treating sex like it's sacred just for you but not those other 30 guys who had sex with
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Misra/Kendall/Kylame the first night I'm not sleeping with you so I don't lose feelings for you the first night I see you or we hook up because I
02:17:09
Jordangenerally see something in you that I want to continue 100% it's not the in the GU perspective it the not going to see it that way but it's not like it's
02:17:20
Jordanbenefiting him it's more so B benefiting her she's healing her heart and that's why she's choosing that so maybe she shouldn't tell him that she was giving it up to these guys right away so soon
02:17:33
Maddie Ruwould you hold the same standard to a man what do you mean like could okay we'll say you let's say you a girl
02:17:41
Maddie Rutomorrow and you don't care about her and then okay I I don't do that but okay well the average man does okay any man that I know does so we'll go off the
02:17:53
Maddie Ruaverage man okay a girl tomorrow meets a girl maybe the next week and he's kind of talking to her but he actually respects her and maybe wants
02:18:03
Maddie Rusomething more with her and so like does the girl now get to have the same like perspective on him okay so
02:18:13
Brian Atlasif first off men and women are different mhm so it would surprise me I think it would be a bit surprising
02:18:24
Brian Atlasfor cuz who's typically like pushing to have sex who's typically pursuing sex it's typically men so I mean this sort of
02:18:34
Brian Atlashypothetical scenario uh so the question is would it would I object to a woman I'm more saying feeling upset if the guy didn't want to her right away first
02:18:47
Brian Atlasoff I'm not sure in what world that ever would play out like no I if if a woman if a woman was upset that a new guy
02:18:57
Brian Atlaswanted to wait and she wanted to him right away would would I object to her being like well why don't you me sooner because you all these other chicks
02:19:08
Brian Atlassooner no she can have that preference I guess okay I don't think any most women are going to ever have that dynamic ever like you all those other
02:19:21
Brian Atlasgirls really quickly but you're making me wait in what world has that ever occurred like but no I don't object to it if a woman has that standard okay and then also because you feel like because
02:19:33
Maddie Rushe has like slept with people quickly and then all of a sudden has decided that she wants to wait do you want to wait now with like future Partners if there was another one like if this relationship ended would you treat
02:19:45
Maddie Ruanother relationship the same way would you go about about sex the same way what do you mean or do you think you would like partake in one night stance again or it would always depend on the person Rel well with my current relationship I
02:19:54
Maddie Rudidn't wait okay but if something happened to this relationship would you wait or would you still treat it person to person or do you think that phase is over in your
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Q (Jquan)life I'm not sure well see that's my concern then because you say you're not addicted to sex anymore so why would you still have the same fear that was
02:20:16
Q (Jquan)because of the sex addiction moving forward why if you used to have sex and then move on after you came why would you still fear that that's going to be present if you have sex with somebody
02:20:27
Q (Jquan)that you really like like why would you hold off hypothetically speaking why would you then hold off because you don't want to lose feelings but that was an effect of being addicted to sex so if
02:20:40
Misra/Kendall/Kylathat effect is no longer if you're no longer addicted to sex why would you still fear fear that outcome because let's say like she was was saying that if I were to get out of this relationship which means that I
02:20:52
Jordanwould probably like have to go through another breakup which that's I don't think it was a sex addiction I think it was a a lack of value for herself and depression cuz an
02:21:04
Jordanaddiction would mean that you probably shouldn't do it again like if you addicted to alcohol you shouldn't go to a bar right but if you're have a sex addiction what does that mean you have to
02:21:14
Jordanbe celibate for life you have to eventually heal that Bond so that way you can have sex with your future partner so I wouldn't even label it as a
02:21:23
Brian Atlassex addiction I would just label it as you were suffering with depression and didn't value yourself enough wait okay I look I don't know the intricacies of
02:21:34
Brian Atlasyour situation but could claiming that you had an addiction be a way of you what's the right wording could you trying to
02:21:46
Brian Atlasframe this pattern of behavior as an addiction be a way of you trying to escape accountability for the specific actions that you
02:21:57
Brian Atlastook because if you claim something's an addiction then you can kind of just relinquish yourself of responsibility of having done it oh well I have an addiction I have an
02:22:07
Misra/Kendall/Kylaillness I had no control okay well in today's society I don't think any girl would just randomly just be like oh I have a sex addiction I think sex addiction also
02:22:18
Maddie Ruit's like if it's risky like it's time like it's categorized as if you like cannot help it and you're putting yourself at risk but you're doing it anyways because you just like that I'm
02:22:30
Brian Atlaspretty sure that's what it is defined I mean she look but she said her friends were like trying to drag her out to these parties it's very common for were you in college at the time I'm assuming you're in college that's what
02:22:43
Brian Atlaspeople do they go out to parties Thursday Friday Saturday night uh you're an attractive girl you said you didn't even approach these dudes these dudes are coming up to you is this a sex addiction or were you
02:22:54
Misra/Kendall/Kylajust being promiscuous like that's my sense of this it's it's very hard to explain the situation but basically I wasn't just randomly like I didn't wake up one day
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TTS/Donationsand was like oh I have a sex addiction I went to helicopter a cool donated $100 I am a guy and I have a sex addiction and I love it I never want to fix my problem best problem in the world what's your
02:23:23
Brian Atlasthoughts the British voice sounded like really high pitched and excited for some reason got high all
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Misra/Kendall/Kylaof you were saying okay so um what I was trying to say was um oh I didn't just wake up one day and
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Misra/Kendall/KylaI was like oh I have a sex addiction it was I went to therapy cuz my friends actually made me cuz I was actually having like a really bad problem and then he was like I think you have a sex addiction like you need to stop like
02:23:54
Misra/Kendall/Kylahaving sex like you need to like you know just get yourself like just focus on yourself for a little bit and just cuz this is like your outlet and this can't be your outlet if that makes sense how early on did your therapist tell you that you have a sex addiction during
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Jordanthat process I think I was at probably 10 or 15 guys do you think that maybe the therapist telling you that since it was
02:24:18
Jordanplaced into your head do you think maybe you um decided to use that label and you know because sometimes therapists will be like oh you got ADHD so then people are like oh my God I have
02:24:31
TTS/DonationsADHD this is why I'm this way and I'm never going to change and right so sometimes if they tell us something it kind of reassures puffy Vegas donated
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TTS/Donations$100 she's not lying of the 200 women I hooked up with I known less than 2 hours Short of girl I knew was 2 minutes she just asked me to go into the bathroom at
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Brian Atlasa club have the girls rape me well we'll get to it in a bit puffy um thank you man appreciate it uh
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Jordanso I think she was responding to me yeah okay I'm so sorry yeah do do you think that because your therapist kind of gave you that label it kind of
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Misra/Kendall/Kylaenabled you to give yourself that label and continue to do the thing honestly I think that probably did have like an influence cuz it was also like my first
02:25:21
Misra/Kendall/Kylayear of like college like that's like technically that's where you learn like your life because like that's the first time you're on your own and also like this is just me trying to like live life
02:25:33
Misra/Kendall/Kylaand then someone's telling me that I have a sex addiction like obviously it's a doctor like I'm going to believe it and like that's subconsciously most likely going to do some things to me but cuz sometimes like giving giving someone
02:25:46
Jordanlabel will box them in and so then they you know it's like if you tell yourself over and over and over you know you label yourself something whatever you say oh my gosh I'm ugly I'm ugly I'm ugly you believe
02:25:58
Jordanit it's what you give out right so then if you say like then you kind of become the addiction right because now you have that label rather than like looking Inward and trying to see what are the
02:26:07
Misra/Kendall/Kyladeeper rooted problems yeah I mean I guess I will say like whenever like I do get too like sad or like depressed or
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Misra/Kendall/Kylalike whenever like I too much of like a problem I do still use sex to cope but it's obviously differently that's what I was curious about do you think you think
02:26:26
Megan Robinsonit's easier to have sex with the men than to like introspect about the cheating and like what's going on emotionally with you what do you
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TTS/Donationsmean helicopters are cool donated $100 no it's not a problem and I won't go see help please don't see help sex is great does anyone hear need a therapist
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TTS/DonationsI can be a great therapist Miss quiet and I have a thumbs up or down please who's Miss quiet oh thumbs up thumbs
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Megan Robinsondown okay all right like some people have trouble kind of like sitting with their emotions pain so do you think one Motorsports donated
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Megan Robinsontonight man I appreciate your patronage thank you thank you so do you think that it was easier than like going out like sitting with it was easier or
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Misra/Kendall/Kyla[Music] harder I think therapy session right now all right go ahead give her your answer go ahead I think going out was
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Misra/Kendall/Kylaeasy easier because like you know like you're drinking like at least like I'm not in control of me like it's kind of like an excuse but like if I'm at home then I'm going to be like texting people like guys like hey like and then that
02:27:58
Megan Robinsonthat would be and that makes sense cuz our brain like moves towards pleasure all the time so if that was like harder for you then it makes sense
02:28:07
Brian Atlaswhy she needed a dopamine hit so question here for you
02:28:13
Brian Atlasum now that you have kind of moved moved past this with your current New Guy how long did you make him
02:28:24
Misra/Kendall/Kylawait um if you even did well we were friends for years okay so it's kind of different so it was it was very different like I generally like had
02:28:33
Brian Atlasfeelings for him and that's how we but you're saying if like for you moving forward your experience has been and
02:28:44
Brian Atlaswill be if you were to have let's say this guy goes away whatever you meet a new guy let's say you're interested in a relationship with him if you have sex with him too quick you'll just despite
02:28:56
Misra/Kendall/Kylayour potential long-term interest in him you'll just it's over well I'm not saying that that's how it's going to be oh cuz you you said if you have sex too quick you just like I'm I was just trying to say like that's just how that
02:29:08
Misra/Kendall/Kylathat's been the pattern recently like it's just I don't know like if it will change but it hasn't so far yeah okay it
02:29:17
Brian Atlaswill it will yeah I I'll look going back to my point though if a girl previously has engaged in if she's had sex quickly with a guy and then all of a sudden you
02:29:29
TTS/Donationshave this new standard to me I just think it's it's again you're free to have it but I'm going feel like it's donated $100 can we start a challenge having a
02:29:41
Misra/Kendall/Kylaconversation without using the word like every second word thank you hilly yeah I just think it's BS what if I'm trying to be a better version of myself for you
02:29:51
Jordanlike for that guy though yeah that's like saying like if an alcoholic says I'm going to bring alcohol into this right cuz we're talking about addiction so let's label it if alcohol if somebody who struggles with alcohol and you're
02:30:04
Jordansaying oh my gosh you're not going to have a drink with me you're not going to have a drink with me on the first day oh my gosh I know you're trying to better yourself but that's not fair I don't think that's a perfect
02:30:15
Brian Atlasanalogy that they take for the rest of their like life you know what I mean like that would be more fair but I'm fairly
02:30:25
Brian Atlascertain that like you'll have women who will have had casual casual sexual encounters guys on the first date and then oh let me switch things up and then okay I'm going to make this guy who
02:30:38
Brian AtlasI view for long-term potential I'm going to make him wait three months let's say you date that guy for a year you break up with him you're going to a guy on the the first date within a week of breaking up with him so your standard is
02:30:50
Brian Atlasjust going to be wishy-washy that's my issue with it is there there's not like you don't actually have a value you you don't have like a like a deeply held value it's just like you're
02:31:01
Jordanplaying a game you're trying to leverage to get a long-term relationship basically it's not going to be fair no matter what life's not fair I mean
02:31:10
Jordanobviously it's I I'm not saying that obviously the guy would take your perspective but maybe the right guy will understand it's kind of like when you
02:31:22
Jordanbecome a Christian you become a Christian you change your ways right you change your lifestyle and you can tell your future husband hey I used to do
02:31:32
Jordanthese things and I'm not proud of it but this is who I am now and she can change her behavior she can change her patterns that's what she's trying to do this is more about her healing I'm not saying
02:31:44
Jordanit's fair for the guy cuz it's not it's not fair for for the guy the moment the guy knows hey you gave it away you know all quick then yeah he's going to be like well what the heck why didn't I get that you know so I understand that but
02:31:55
Brian Atlasagain this is about her healing sure it's and look I I understand like it is a bit of a tough position to be in as a woman because obviously look uh if you're trying to change the way you move I'm not saying well if you used to be
02:32:09
Brian Atlaspromiscuous well you should just continue being promiscuous I feel I I understand that it kind of puts women in a bind but like I'm just telling you the male perspective here like how we're
02:32:20
Brian Atlasgoing to feel it's good for you but like you previous let's say you previously had sex with a 100 men you slept with all of them on the first date first off I would not advise a man to ever date a woman who's had sex with a hundred other
02:32:32
Megan Robinsonmen but that's another conversation and then you want to make me wait for marriage so no if you're thinking in your best interest you know as a man if
02:32:43
Megan Robinsonyou're thinking in your best interest would you also want her to think in her best interest for her healing journey and being Unapologetic about her boundaries and look you can you can move
02:32:55
Brian Atlashowever you want to move you can three guys in one day within 30 seconds of meeting them and then the very next day you can say I'm waiting until marriage from here on out that's your call but if I meet you that day and you
02:33:08
Brian Atlastell me that you're waiting until marriage and you just three guys yesterday later I ain't taking you seriously you're not I'm not pursuing you and that's how a lot of guys are
02:33:19
Jordangoing to feel cuz it's it's going to look like clown World mhm that was never you're like I guess you can turn a new Leaf but anyone can turn a new Leaf
02:33:29
JordanI mean we're saying that we're saying though sorry you want me to okay um we're saying that it's not beneficial for the guy at all we agree with you we
02:33:40
Jordanagree that he's going to feel some type of way cuz men do want to have sex especially if they know hey she's giving away sex so okay I should have that pass
02:33:51
Jordantoo I should I should be able to play that card too but the thing is is it's not going to benefit her it's going to leave her in a worse place and she knows that she can't go there because then it'll bring the addiction back up and
02:34:03
Jordanshe'll lose feelings for the guy so if I was the guy and I knew that if we had sex she's going to lose feelings for me and I genuinely want to have a relationship with her I mean see I'm not a guy but if I was mhm then maybe I
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Q (Jquan)would pursue her I would avoid it all together that's why I just avoid women who have who have past traumas issues all together I'm I'm giving prescriptive advice to men that that's not a woman
02:34:29
Brian Atlasthat you even date MH so you're saying well if you really like her d d d like sorry you're disqualified peace out a town down okay but don't guys also treat
02:34:39
Misra/Kendall/Kylawomen differently like there's women that like you sleep with like that are casual and then there there's a girl that you take seriously you treat both of them
02:34:51
Brian Atlasdifferently he doesn't Cas he doesn't do casual sex oh I mean you're saying so okay guys will have two boxes like the sex only category and the relationship
02:35:00
Misra/Kendall/Kylacategory yeah like they like I'm saying like in general though like guys also do that like where it's like there's well I'll give you an analogy
02:35:12
Brian Atlasright and I'm it's not clear to me I don't know if what you're saying is a perfect example but for example here's an analogy right um I've got I've actually got a bunch of these I'm going
02:35:24
Brian Atlasto read them because I've got them written down so
02:35:30
Brian Atlasuh here's the here's the sort of opposite framing these women they were just for hookups so of course I brought that I I bought them expensive stuff and I took them to the best dining places and I
02:35:43
Brian Atlaseven paid their bills but you're different from them I see you as a potential girlfriend wife so you have to wait for those benefits so let's go to McDonald's and you're paying by the way we'll go 50/50 but those casual hookups
02:35:56
Brian Atlasno no no I got them I took them on vacations I did XYZ I did all these nice things for them I didn't they weren't serious though but because you're my potential girlfriend potential wife we
02:36:06
Q (Jquan)have to wait for those benefits that's so unrealistic how could you relate that to sex though it's totally Rel analogy because the analogy
02:36:16
Q (Jquan)is about value so he's saying men what the value that men place on sex that's why we want it what women value is the resources the allocation of resources us whining and dining you showing you ways
02:36:28
Q (Jquan)that you're special how we're willing to invest in you so if we withhold if we say the Casual hookups that we had we did those things for those women which is what women value and then we took you who we want to be serious with and we
02:36:40
Misra/Kendall/Kylawithheld that from you then how would that how would you feel about that okay but I'm not talking about how much money you spend I'm talking about your manners and how you treat me like versus like
02:36:53
Misra/Kendall/Kylalike let's say like we're casually like hooking up and there's a serious relationship you treat both those people differently so you don't value uh
02:37:03
TTS/Donationsresource out L her the kid 22 donated $100 girls would you date a guy who's been to war who's had a troubled past I
02:37:14
TTS/Donationswould bet the answer is because of the society on vetss with PTSD it's the same thing with your sex life okay going around the table would
02:37:24
Maddie Ruyou date a guy who's been to War I would okay with PTSD yeah unless he's physically
02:37:42
Megan Robinsonabusive I wouldn't I think we should absolutely judge people based on their past and that's not a bad thing I think when you're investing in someone and you're deciding
02:37:54
Megan Robinsonto marry someone you should know about them and you have the right to decide whether their pass is a deal breaker for you or not whether it's men who have War trauma or women who have sexual history
02:38:06
Misra/Kendall/Kylaabsolutely so would you date a guy who's been to War I don't think so okay I was going to say yes and then after you said that I'm like I don't
02:38:17
Kaylaknow I wouldn't I wouldn't cuz I wouldn't be able to take on that extra trauma you've been to war at the strip club yes yes I have um but I have my own
02:38:30
Kaylatrauma so I don't think I could take on someone else's trauma okay um I don't think I would okay do you
02:38:42
Unknownguys with the war what what do you mean like do they respect veterans do you
02:38:53
Q (Jquan)guys of course you guys with the war what appreciate with the war apprciate you going to war for this country you can't have no though I absolutely appreciate anybody who fights
02:39:03
Jordanfor our country have two brothers in the Navy um however I wouldn't I honestly I wouldn't be with yeah cuz a lot of the time you know guys with PTSD have a lot
02:39:15
Jordanof anger issues and personally I grew up with a very angry father dad I hope you're not watching this you're a much better man now um but my dad was very had a lot of anger issues and I just
02:39:26
Jordanseen how that um really affected my upbringing and just everything so I I don't think I could deal with that no you want me to give you more analogies I got some more analogies for you here
02:39:38
Brian Atlasyeah that one didn't hit she don't okay let's see here so here's I'm going to give a bunch of analogies here so Perfect Analogy you got a guy with manners in there guy with
02:39:50
Brian Atlasmanners okay so here's one uh telling your date that all your ex's got five star meals but she gets McDonald's because you have turned over a new leaf and decided that money has better uses
02:40:01
Brian Atlasthan just trying to impress people there's one um let's see how about this every woman the man she's uh going for has dated in the past got tons of effort
02:40:12
Brian Atlastrips to Hawaii Paris Tokyo personally selected gift based on her likes excellent communication on everything she needs to know about Etc and now that she gets with him he decides to be very tight with his money and effort no trips
02:40:25
Brian Atlasfurther than the Target in their local city maybe like a $50 gift card maybe um and uh he just keeps everything from her that might help her understand then when
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Brian Atlasshe asks what's up with him doing so much less for her he says it's because I knew they were just momentary fun but I think you might be the perfect partner so you have to earn all the effort I
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Brian Atlasnormally just give out freely how about that does that help at all I still disagree here I got more I got more I got this i got this they're written down okay thoughts on the scenario you've
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Brian Atlasbeen in a situationship with a guy for six months you really like him you want him to commit to you but he says he likes to take things slow somehow you find out that the last three girls he
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Brian Atlashad committed relationship with he initiated the commitment conversation after after only 3 weeks of dating how does that make you feel well the other girl shouldn't
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Q (Jquan)concern me dang she's holding all right here's another one I got more I can keep I can go all night she's going to die on that Hill I got it says please and thank you to the women that he dated before but he
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Brian Atlaswith he withholds it from her I I got this okay need some manners I got some more analogies okay so um making a man wait while her 10 20 30 40 50 previous partner she slept with on the first or
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Brian Atlassecond date is like me going to McDonald's everyone in the restaurant paid $1 for a cheeseburger there's three people in line ahead of me they all pay $1 for a cheeseburger then I get to the
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Brian Atlasfront of the line ask for a cheeseburger and the clerk looks at me and says it's $1,000 for you sir then don't pay
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Brian Atlasexactly let's see I got more or it's more like the McDonald's cashier stating you need a re reservation okay but think about Micky I'm not
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Brian Atlasforcing them to be in relationships with me or like to wait for me no you're not here's some more okay so when think she understands wait wait hold on and when she breaks up with you divorces you the
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Brian Atlasnext guy is not going to have to wait she'll have her rebound within days hours hour oh okay all right uh D damn oh also the McDonald's one with the
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Brian Atlas$1,000 cheeseburger that'll be a th000 for you because I like you the most those other customers were just a mistake anything no cuz you're going to
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Maddie Rugive me some real CL how about this oh let me read okay uh Madison can you read this I'm sorry but puffy Vegas calm the down your Instagram is
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Maddie Ruweird I've listened to this podcast for quite a while and Jesus Christ I'm alone yo and even I can see that damn even the other TTS is coming out after puff puff
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Brian AtlasMaximus yo puffy we'll get it pulled up in just a sec brother um oh God there's a there's a war going on in the TTS okay this whole argument though is only valuing sex like she's it's about SE
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Maddie Ruthat's what I'm saying but it's about sex yeah but you're like only saying okay that she's just worth this one thing I didn't say that he's going for a whole I didn't say that at all sex is like gold like sex is yeah it's sex is
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Maddie Ruhow much we value it but there's like time with her there's a part partnership there's like this that like yeah so it would make worth like waiting because it's not the only thing he cares about okay let me just ask you this do you
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Misra/Kendall/Kylaagree that it's unfair to the guy do you agree that that's unfair cuz like to the first example I don't think it's really his business I mean he shouldn't be with me just for sex either way like he shouldn't care about like
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Misra/Kendall/Kylathe other guy like how I treated them like he shouldn't even know how I treated him but like if let's say he oh we got hold on we got uh can you read this Madison
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Maddie Ruoh true uh do you with the war she like huh what did you just say
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Maddie Ruhuh keep going keep going like just now yeah do you to the war no I don't with the war I'm like no I don't with the war that was beautiful
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Jordantruth bomb thank you that was like Shakespeare that was poetic what okay so let's take it maybe we take it another Direction maybe we say okay the the guy
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Jordanthat you're seeing every relationship he's been he abused them would you be with him wait what or would your
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JordanP what okay got sorry go ahead no no come on right cuz we're talking about past so got dark though that's that's dark okay but still I'm I'm listening go
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Jordanahead I'm with you yeah you're hearing me right you understand I'm following okay so he's following anyway so every girl that he's been with he's had issues he gets angry
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Maddie Ruhe hits them okay maybe he doesn't hit them but he grabs them whatever and he tells you that would you still pursue the relationship no why abuse is different that's not a
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Jordanthing of value but the but the thing is is it's action right and for you you took action and sex and abuse is also an action so you're kind of we're looking at the past
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Jordanas like what what are the things that you have done I get like it's it is a value system it's not a good value system to abuse women but still a guy will look at your past and you know he will decide if he wants to be
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Misra/Kendall/Kylawith you based off that I'm saying like in general like I'm not forcing a guy to be with me like obviously like these like things that like I have like these
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Misra/Kendall/Kylalike little boundaries are my boundaries and like if a guy like is actually like I do believe like there's like that one person for you and if he's that one
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Q (Jquan)person for me then he would wait for it like he would you know be there for it does your current boyfriend know about your past yes and that doesn't affect
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Q (Jquan)him at all no well I mean I'm just curious I was just asking I mean sta there is a guy that you know yeah I was just curious if he if he had known and and