Single Mom Wants Date To PAY For Babysitter?! | Dating Talk #80

Date: 2023-07-03

Duration: 5h 14m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBella (valarama TV)>

EElizabeth (DT96)>

JJulia Lynn Sandoval >

TTaylor (DT80)>

VVictoria (DT80)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_03Bella (valarama TV)(guest)

SPEAKER_04TikTok Video(audience)

SPEAKER_06Elizabeth(guest)

SPEAKER_08Sadie(guest)

SPEAKER_09Julia Lynn Sandoval(guest)

SPEAKER_10Victoria(guest)

SPEAKER_11Taylor(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteElizabeth reveals she is 23, has never had a boyfriend, never been on a romantic date, is a 5-time US national figure skater, double gold medalist, youth Olympian, Miss Orange County, Maxim cover, and acted in American Horror Story. Still lives with protective parents and gives all earnings to family.

“I am a two times double gold medalist, I'm a five-time US national competitor... I was Miss Orange County... I was on the cover of Maxim magazine... I worked with American Horror Story.”

QuoteSadie discloses she witnessed friends having sex with up to 4 guys in one night at SLO frat parties; describes witnessing the acts directly.

“I've never seen someone just like meet somebody and automatically like go to a bedroom... I grew up Christian so I was not... in this world like that.”

QuoteJulia shares that at 18-19 she made out with a photographer in his 40s who used his industry status to groom her; says she now feels it was grooming despite consenting at the time, citing brain development under 25.

“I was getting into modeling, he's a photographer... he abused his power in a sense but I consented... I do feel like I was groomed at 18 years old.”

OtherRatings round: Bella self-rates 8, Julia self-rates 9.5, Victoria self-rates 8 (reluctantly), Sadie self-rates 6.5-7, Brian self-rates 6/6.9. Elizabeth declines number but calls Sadie a 10.

“Bella: eight. Julia: nine or a ten... 9.5. Victoria: eight. Sadie: 6.5-7. Brian: six 6.9 on a good day.”

QuoteTikTok single mom video played on stream: woman demands dates pay for her babysitter, plan creative activities, not invite her daughter, not serve drinks on weekday dates.

“Unless you're offering to pay for the babysitter, I'm not going on that date.”

QuoteBella argues that finding and paying for the babysitter is the single mom's own responsibility if she chooses to participate in dating.

“It's not the guy that potentially might full-time date her... that's not his responsibility. It is yours to find and pay for the babysitter if you actually want to participate in the dating world.”

QuoteVictoria reveals she met her husband (Allen, one of the original four from Justin.TV; face of the BrokeBack Twitch emote; WoW Lich King world-first raider in Blood Legion) by watching him stream and chatting in his Twitch chat; he flew her to San Diego the same week.

“I used to watch him play World of Warcraft on Twitch... Someone said oh she's a girl and he said let me check her out... He flew me out that same week to San Diego to come meet him.”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Brian introduces the show. Guests introduce themselves: Bella (valarama TV, AZ, Twitch/OF, declines age), Elizabeth (23, LA, model/actress/ice skater), Julia (26, CO/LA, content creator/OF, in first relationship), Taylor (25, FL, Kick streamer), Victoria (married, Canadian in SD, Twitch/OF), Sadie (20, SLO, college student, in relationship). Relationship statuses and OF income discussed.

Body Count and Hookup Culture

Sadie recounts witnessing friends hook up with 3-4 guys per night at SLO frat parties; she remained a virgin until current boyfriend. Panel discusses hookup culture, body count preferences, and whether it matters.

Age Gaps and Grooming

Julia shares experience of making out with a 40s-something photographer when she was 18-19; questions whether consent was truly informed given brain development under 25. Brian notes retroactive regret vs. legal consent distinction. Discussion of brain development and voting age.

OnlyFans Relationship Dynamics

Panel discusses whether men want to date women who do OnlyFans. Arguments about sexual purity vs business, validation from subscribers diminishing partner attention, children and bullying concerns, adam22 open relationship case, top-percentage OF statistics.

Self-Ratings / Looks Scale

Panel rates their own looks 1-10: Bella (8), Julia (9.5), Victoria (8, declines specific number), Sadie (6.5-7), Brian (6/6.9). Elizabeth rates herself implicitly a 10 via Elizabeth rating Sadie as 10.

Single Mom Babysitter Debate

TikTok video played of single mom saying men should pay for her babysitter to earn a date, should not invite her and daughter out, should not expect late-night dates. Panel debates: is it fair to expect date to pay babysitter? Consensus: panel finds it entitled; guest's own responsibility to arrange childcare. Brian notes provisioning for another man's child is sub-optimal.

High-Value Man/Woman Definition

Discussion of what constitutes a "high-value" man (physical, success, character, ambition, values) vs high-value woman (physical appearance, values, character; income less important for women than men).

Dating Apps and Modern Dating

Discussion of dating apps, messaging culture, ghosting, expectations for response speed, relationships starting casual vs committed.

Red Flags Round

Panel shares personal red flags: van lifers (Brian), Instagram-only girls abroad (Julia, sugar daddy implication), impatience/insecurity (Bella), rudeness to service staff (Victoria), looking down on others' views (Julia), rude to mom or animals (Julia), condoms visible on first date (panel discussion).

Transcript

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Brian Atlasyou're you're receiving male attention from these dudes on only fans and that sort of like lessens the attention that your partner is going to give you like

Brian Atlasyou're you're getting you're fulfilling your need for male attention and male validation through these other ways so the attention that you get from your

Bella (valarama TV)partner is kind of diminished to some degree so I mean it makes sense no no no I actually disagree with you right uh because I think you are putting the same

Bella (valarama TV)value when it comes to both types of validation I think like sometimes we as humans we probably weighed the validation from our parents from our husbands boyfriends higher them from strangers wouldn't you agree so but

Bella (valarama TV)you're saying they're on the same level and because we receive so much attention from random men that the attention that we get from our husband boyfriend is going to be valued less but again you it's the only reason you're saying this because you're weighing them on the same

Brian Atlaslevel but I disagree with you yeah why it's not I don't think it's on the same level necessarily but it's on the scale somewhere so uh yeah you know all it does is make me more confident as a woman that I know

Taylorlike there's all these people out here who like find me attractive and would pay for my but it doesn't diminish the value of someone who I'm actually interested in I mean

Brian Atlaslook at the end of the day I mean I think my two big arguments would be is that when given two options the girl with only fans all things being equal

Brian Atlasis a better option men value sexual Purity men value innocence in women for sure no not all men sure okay not

Brian Atlasyes not all men but generally speaking men value sexual Purity and innocence in women I feel like when it comes to like wiping them up I think it's not what you guys want yeah well I think that's Overjoyed but

Brian Atlasearlier you said earlier you said that women desire relationships more than men so I mean wiping someone up isn't that well have wives

Brian Atlaslike for their women to be with other people so but okay the the other thing too is it's a denial of something also just like if you do want to have kids then you're you are subjecting your

Victoriachild to to bullying so how would you solve that if you were married to a only fans model and she had a kid what would you how would you what kind of conversation would you have with your kid and how like well I just that's a

Brian Atlasconversation if you look at if you look at things like for example a chessboard and you're like okay I'm gonna make the best move possible yeah I'm pulling out hold on I'm pulling out the Andrew Tate here

Brian AtlasAndrew Tate's joining the family sorry uh marrying a girl who does only fans is not an optimal move in life I mean if it

Brian Atlasjust happened it just happens to happen like that I love love works in mysterious ways in any case I don't I don't foresee myself I just again it just comes down to

Brian AtlasOptimum sub-optimal choices answer the question what's the question what would I do what would I do I would not be in the position to begin with but we don't know

Bella (valarama TV)but we're always asked this hypothetical it's a hypothetical question what would I do yeah what would I do yeah so in a hypothetical situation if you were to marry an only fans girl and have a child

Bella (valarama TV)with her and that child's friends discovered your wife's only fans instead of bullying your child what kind of conversation would you have with your child that's a tough one I mean that's kind of

Brian Atlaslike you deal with it's a bridge you cross when you have to cross it um as a father you're saying I'd be like I'm sorry your mom used to text me your mom used to be a hoe

Bella (valarama TV)I'm sorry oh my god oh I'm sorry oh she still does okay your mom is still a hoe I'm sorry I'm still alive me and your mom sometimes you know film

Bella (valarama TV)us getting intimate but you know we do it for your brighter future would you say that I mean you can go to college for free

Bella (valarama TV)mommy and daddy sometimes film their intimacy and you know we pay for your college money with that money you know for your college degree with that money I don't think that's what you're gonna say I honestly wipe the internet

Taylorscrub that or don't have you can't that's very permanent internet I feel like I feel like you can delete it but people download people download that it's gonna get lead I feel like

Taylordescribe life is changing like you know we used to have for example music you know back then uh music used to be better no I was just saying the other day like the 303 song

TaylorMy First Kiss I was like oh this is so like racy and now it's like oh this is so simple we have like songs talking about in this awesome wow

Victoriachanging lives revolve around sex and being sexy and everything like that I just think to this day and age I think it's stupid I don't know hot tick it's just stupid that it's so it's just like

Unknownthis and it's taboo yeah what's taboo like it's just it's just everything it's sexualized

Taylorwe're allowed to show ankles before bro can you believe that yeah oh God that's top Chi it's Haram oh

Brian Atlasyeah but uh okay that's funny because like here let's let's uh hold on let's do a couple shots here all right we have uh I'll pull that one up in a sec hold on we have

Brian AtlasJoseph thanks for the donation man dear ladies what insights can we gleam from the interplay of physical desires and emotional connections how does the intimate dance of human sexuality shape our understanding of ourselves in the

Brian Atlasworld around us curiously Joey uh-huh what that was the intimate dance of human sexuality shape our understanding bro that's a I think he's trying to say can

Bella (valarama TV)I mean can you have any sex I think what he's trying to say is can having sex help you understand more about yourself and who you are as a person I mean yeah you can figure out if you're actually straight or not you can figure out who

Bella (valarama TV)you're interested in what your fetishes type of things are so yeah it kind of makes you you know a little bit more aware about who you are and what you're interested in I feel like it helps you feel more in touch with yourself too yeah

Brian Atlasat that layer of yourself this is such a vague nebulous question how does the intimate dance of human sexuality shape our understanding of ourselves and the world around us

Brian Atlasto understand your questions that's like some Advanced philosophy in college okay but thank you for the uh the the message man okay we got

Brian Atlasbad zxe here uh Teatro La finis would be the opera house we would go see cavallaria LA Fitness afterwards for dinner Brian just forwarded Elizabeth my details

Brian Atlashopefully her family doesn't put a hit out on me okay all right there you go Elizabeth all right Jesse Miller thing for the 69 tip appreciate it man first time watching live just wanted to give a

Brian Atlasshout out and show some support thank you man appreciate it props to making good content appreciate Brian good stuff and to the girls you've been a good panel so far cheers Jesse Miller hey thank you man yeah it's been it's a been a good panel man much appreciated did

Brian Atlasthe it did pop up though the exe one you saw it pop up the one with the Venice it popped up okay just want to make sure it actually showed all right we have uh cheeks here

Brian Atlasuh yo cheeks thank you man uh to the viewers in here don't subscribe to these of or streaming services they don't show you any real value and do not care nor even will care

Brian Atlasfor any of you no matter the amount and no real man will ever want to be with an oaf roasting beaten cheeks like yeah can you

Brian Atlasexplain that because he's never been bitten cheeks oh wow shots fired shots fired sorry um on that note

Brian Atlasisn't it true that um you so four of you have of I mean you guys don't really uh you guys don't really respond to your messages do

Tayloryou you have like some some person in like Kazakhstan I 100 respond to all my messages so you got it you know you guys have a company grandmother's grave I respond to all of

Bella (valarama TV)my messages so I think a lot of people are not really aware of how the business works but if you're a small individual right and you actually don't have money to pay other people to do your job you actually respond to it yeah um the

Julia Lynn Sandovalmajority of people cannot afford to feel like you're like hey I'm not paying a management company yeah not doing that I just don't want someone else like posing as me and like talking to people and it's not actually me how do you control how do you ensure control at

Taylorthat point exactly and I don't want to give some of my login like I don't I I talk a certain way and I talk a certain way to certain people so like they would know also we already take so much of a

Victoriahit on Twitch why would I want to give more of the platform 20 20 20 well you can say that but I mean if it just frees up a whole bunch of your time

Brian Atlasto like do other I mean it's kind of just the trade-off of paying someone to respond to your messages for you and then you've just freed up all of your time yeah and some of these guys it's a very small minority of people who can

Julia Lynn Sandovalactually afford to buy a management but also No One's Gonna Be if I mean if you're smart and actually have brain cells no one's going to be able to maximize your business like you are yes exactly especially something like maybe

Brian Atlasthere's like some dude out there who's just like really good at pretending to be a chick and like finessing the out of these dudes like sexting the dudes but I mean yes I I I'm the guy typing for all these

Brian Atlasof chicks you've caught me that's what I was doing a year ago but uh look I don't think it's all it's certainly not all of girls uh who have like a management who's responding on their behalf but

Brian Atlaslike let's be real there are definitely and I don't think it's a small proportion of women who do have only fans who are charging people for to message back and forth and it's not actually them messaging it's like

Brian Atlassomebody doing it on their behalf I would say that there's some there's a lot I think it could even be you guys and you guys obviously you wouldn't admit to it if you were doing it well here's another

Bella (valarama TV)thing I think when it comes to off us we also stream on Twitch and majority of us actually stream on Twitch for at least five to eight to twelve hours right so we have a very intimate relationship

Bella (valarama TV)with our viewers we actually respond to them directly on Twitch so I feel like they're way more familiar with us so if they did send something um when it comes to only fans chatting

Victorialike something was off it didn't sound like us they would figure it out yeah what happened on the stream exactly exactly to also sit there and watch your home absolutely

Studio StaffDestroyer donated 100 thank you the only fans girls all look like they have failed ASMR channels on YouTube I should start one I've actually never done mine

Brian Atlasis pretty successful I just started it confirmer denied did is that do you get any of you have a failed ASMR Channel on YouTube no I should start one of them

Brian Atlasjust to wrap up really quick on the zof stuff um sorry friendly yeah yeah just just to wrap up on that I mean the big thing though as far as it being a negative if you ever like if you're thinking long term with somebody

Brian Atlasum if you have kids with them the kid the potential that the kid gets bullied is just not like avoid it it's better to avoid it by not dating someone who has only fans here's the deal if

Bella (valarama TV)you're so big as a friendly girl right that people recognize you and know who you are probably at that point you can afford to provide the child with a private education so they don't you're not going to preclude them from bullying

Taylorare you just kind of like we're assuming that this is something that kids are going to be bullied like you know I don't have a kid yet but if I were to have one like in it we're assuming that

Taylorthey're gonna get bullied for this situation 13 year old boys are brutal yeah like they're gonna okay but if they're trying to be like oh my God

Taylorthat's so cool your mom's like a MILF or something you know like

Julia Lynn Sandovalyeah well maybe embarrassing like I for sure that's a hard one because if I had children I wouldn't know in hell would I want my kids or any of their friends to

Elizabethknow about that but again I don't I don't have only fans so then like I girl I'm so out of this conversation like yeah

Brian Atlaswe've talked about it for a while so let's move on to something else so um let's see um and I think we're going around the table on this um I think I already asked it related to like if you had any friends that have

Brian Atlashooked up with like multiple dudes in like in the night um I know you wanted to touch on unrealistic standards for men and women so why don't you expand on that

Bella (valarama TV)I don't even know where to start I just think there are unrealistic standards on like anyone want to start besides me then I could probably when it comes to men I would say the salary expectation is

Bella (valarama TV)unrealistic a lot of people assume that by the certain age you should be earning like hundred thousand dollars a year or like six figure right but let's be honest that's very unrealistic because majority of men majority of people in general will have

Bella (valarama TV)a very hard time earning hundred thousand dollars in their twenties even in their potentially in like mid-30s and stuff like that I think that's going to be probably one of the unrealistic

Taylorexpectations for men I would say for women having children uh I'm 25. last year I was told that 24 is when you're the most fertile which I could just not

Taylorsee myself having kids right now whatsoever I don't care like who you are some women do but that is just not me like and I think

Bella (valarama TV)um as time progresses like women are having kids at later ages now yes that's true yeah wait so say it again so what's uh what's the um unrealistic expectation of a woman say

Taylorit again but they're supposed to have kids like in their 20s basically no I disagree I think nowadays it's actually not encouraging well that's what I'm saying but a lot of men will

Bella (valarama TV)say you're your most fertile at 24. so you should let's be honest that's like Redfield Guy saying that but yeah wasn't that what this podcast well yeah I think we're talking about like societal

Brian AtlasGeneral expectations like unrealistic expectations well yeah I mean you're most fertile in your early to mid-20s and then once you you know I think once

Brian Atlasyou start getting into your 30s uh fertility decreases once you get over 35 then you're in high risk you start getting into uh it's called geriatric pregnancy territory high risk pregnancy

Brian Atlasterritory so after 35 the one the likelihood that you get pregnant are able to even get pregnant starts to diminish quite significantly there's a higher likelihood of birth defects

Brian Atlasthere's a higher likelihood of miscarriage so I mean by logically speaking the best time to get pregnant you could argue say between the age of

Brian Atlasmost likely 20 to 30 in that age range yeah so I would probably say 23 and above but yeah 20 I think it's pretty young well yeah it's it's young but I mean just speaking purely on the biological

Brian Atlaslevel I believe it's it's in the range of 20 to 30 if just to give it a range not I don't want to say like a specific age because I don't know but um so yeah it's just like you know we have a society where more women are

Bella (valarama TV)going to colleges and they're graduating so that's actually extending the time when they get married and have kids people are having marriage later um you know people actually wanting to work and actually build a career and

Bella (valarama TV)stuff like that so because of that the age of having children is actually increasing to now I would probably argue 29 to 35 I would say

Bella (valarama TV)so which is not necessarily a bad thing again but it's just but I think the and now the consequence of that though is people are now having less kids as well because you know the the age is

Sadieincreasing it's becoming more expensive so now we're having less kids which is did you want to wait in on this I gotta get up for a sec but yeah um I think a lot up to like what I meant with

Sadiehinders between is the commenting on bodies I think that we and I agree like it's very upsetting

Sadiewhen boys comment on our bodies but I think it's been unfortunately last year without you yeah and I think it's been normalized more lately to do that to men do you think it's the internet I do

Sadiebecause like just even being like Oh like if they're not six foot then I'm I'm not touching them it's like that's saying if like if you're over 150 pounds sometimes being like oh then I'm

Taylornot so like you have a living breathing um example of that being not true right here yeah so I'm saying like for you guys does height matter to you guys or no no no no no no no

Bella (valarama TV)I know right like for me it doesn't really matter I think the biggest issue happens is you know what we typically hear those stories from Tick Tock from YouTube you know all of that stuff which

Bella (valarama TV)in my opinion is a very Niche percentage of women majority of women who's just taller than them you know what I mean they don't specifically looking for six foot and above they just want hey yeah

Julia Lynn Sandovaland I'll be okay it's natural as a female to want to be with a male that's going to make you feel safe because in history they are you know the protectors protectors that's the word yeah exactly

Sadieso I think looking for a taller man like I just said is a very like basic start off I don't like

SadieI'm I don't mean like oh if they're over six foot like I'm just pulling I think it's just eight more so like like less of less about the gender and it's more

Julia Lynn Sandovalso like a lack of awareness and empathy among Our Generation and people these days like yeah that's really the issue to be honest with you I think the most annoying thing is like the whole thing

Victoriaof mid coming about and people being so easy to call people mid yeah I think that's like the most infuriating thing ever I hate it when people call others mid I just yeah I get so triggered yeah

Bella (valarama TV)but I guess when it comes to guys like guys in all honesty there's no reason for you to be concerned if you're actually not above six foot or six foot yeah you just have to be taller than the girl you're seeing and you should be

Elizabethfine I feel like guys they probably should be able to talk yeah it's like they lose confidence because they're not the six feet that they're I don't know

Bella (valarama TV)they compare themselves it's called 666 foot

Bella (valarama TV)[Laughter]

Brian Atlasfour sixes yeah no that's not true wait what was I think I've heard a little bit about what you said in terms of uh the myth comment what was it oh I I feel like the most

Victorialike recent thing that's infuriating is the whole concept of mid like just being able just to toss that out and like label somebody just like completely dismiss them and everything and just call them mid like when someone else

Victoriagets called mid or whatever like I I hate it like I feel like it shouldn't exist like I feel like it's so like it's just you're just tossed away yeah I think it's more of a projection thing yeah they're just projecting it and you

Taylorknow just yeah but she was talking about labels so I was like I don't I feel like that's like the worst thing right for sure I think that's also a streamer thing because I mean they're on the they're watching no yeah YouTube but

Victoriathat's the streamer thing you know it's an internet culture thing yeah somebody calls somebody mid yeah like oh she's mid she has no opinion because she's mid yeah but any sort of it has to do with the physical

Victoriaappearance I think I feel like it goes but they could say someone has a mid personality like it could be applied to so many times someone has anything negative to say it's literally always a

Julia Lynn Sandovalprojection because our perspective is all based around our own

Elizabethyou're not tall right if you're confident within yourself to say you know like I am a good looking dude no matter or like even you don't even have to have the looks the confidence speaks a lot but not cause I don't think people should be confident but not cocky though

Elizabeththere's no difference no confident as if they know themselves I'm supposed to say confidence just because you're like yeah I'm a five

ElizabethI accept my shitty hands in life yeah right confidence like as in like they know who they are you know I mean like as in even having morals is attractive to me yeah I mean having morals having

Elizabethfamily morals like for me on the type that like Oh My Tragedy guys are like family guys you know if you're close to your parents that's like I'm like oh wow because like I'm very close to my parents that just

Elizabethshows that you want to probably have kids in the future right you wanna you're a family guy would you date a single dad probably not that's the truth probably there's nothing wrong with that like there's nothing wrong that's nothing

Brian Atlaswrong with that actually you know what Eric can you um Eric in the Dropbox folder we have something related to the single dad single mom thing um I I might have to go over there to the computer really quick to go find it

Brian Atlasbut if you guys want to uh continue on with the uh conversation uh the single dad conversation or the height and weight conversation

Bella (valarama TV)yeah okay so I guess when it comes to the weight conversation right um I think a lot of people would actually prefer like a healthy body set right you don't

Taylorhave to be like ripped and stuff but uh you know we're talking about not being like morbidly obese or whatever you know what I mean you can have a dad butt but I just want to see effort that you're trying to take care of yourself because if I'm gonna be in a relationship with

Bella (valarama TV)you like I don't want you to die on me you know like you have a heart attack no yeah just at least take care of yourself yeah no it's important to like yeah work out take care of yourself because if you physically take care of yourself your

Bella (valarama TV)confidence will increase it's just good for your mental health as well yeah uh it's just yeah I think that's important but a lot of people have different body type preferences like a lot of girls like skinny tall like gamer boys while

Bella (valarama TV)other girls like Rizza like it ripped up guys but other girls like Dad Bots and stuff like that so yeah it's uh it's but it's important to stay healthy I think that's the key Point well it's like how am I supposed to know that you're gonna

Taylortake care of me if you can't even take care of yourself exactly that's a good point

Brian Atlasum really quick just since we've talked about height um do you who here at the table has a high preference we just said we don't we just want taller than us technically yeah

ElizabethI'll be okay you know what I mean okay so you do care about height like I guess like it has to be higher than me yeah that's okay just an inch that's fine that's fine you know what like like I care I said more within who they are

Elizabethlike you know respect is is very strong in like having but if you're not physically attracted to the guy then they have to be like passable a little cute like normal possible like normal

Elizabethmid it's fine seriously as long as he's okay okay guys

Elizabethlike can we just pass the physical appearances maybe because I work with like male models like on the daily like I see I see like

Elizabeththe looks like all the time it's like who are you like surpass all that look like who are you as a person that's that's who I that's that's my goal like when I meet somebody I kind of surpass

Brian Atlasthe physical appearance hold on okay so hold on just the whole table um and I kind of want to wait until Julie is back but okay you're married you're single right but you're and you're single too correct

Brian Atlasum you've never even dated any guy so I can't really ask you this question but um you had a ex-boyfriend before right how tall are you I'm five two how tall

Bella (valarama TV)was your ex-boyfriend which one how about the most recent three uh so one of them I believe was uh five five

Bella (valarama TV)the other one was uh I believe six the other one is six three so they literally went up so I don't know what the average of all of those is

Brian Atlasbut in any case I think that they're six okay two of two of the three of your ex-boyfriends one was two inches higher than the average and the other was five inches inches taller than the average

Bella (valarama TV)but here's my deal I feel like full guys just look for short girls you see what I mean it's not it's not even me picking them because of their highs them picking me for my height what about that Brian but it's interesting that you state that

Brian Atlasyou don't really you said you don't really care about I I just want them to be taller than me and sorry you're five threes five two five two okay but your two boyfriends I mean one of them was granted one of them was five

Brian Atlasfive but two of them one of them was six feet and the other was six foot three okay uh what about you it doesn't matter right no it doesn't

Taylorhow tall was your ex-boyfriend so most recently was five eight and uh there goes my argument most recently was five eight before that was six foot and

Taylorbefore that was six two all right okay two of three two but most recently was five eight so most presently so your standards are lowering is what you're saying

Brian Atlaswell you've lowered your height standards in any case okay is that lowering it though or necessarily I mean it's plausible that it just it just so happened to be the case uh you you in actuality never

Brian Atlashad high preference but it happens to be the case that two of the three of your past ex-boyfriends were uh above average in height the average is five eight though right the average is five five nine or five ten I think it's five eight

Brian AtlasI think it's five five I think somebody needs to look I think it's five eight is average yeah yeah the US five four is average for women

Brian Atlasfive ten is average for men average depends on Race races yeah I'm five nine five nine and a half five nine and a

Bella (valarama TV)half yeah yeah but uh so typically it's like uh bridge and above and stuff like that but like I feel like the issue becomes as unfortunately the guys who are short they lack the confidence and

Bella (valarama TV)they probably do not really put themselves out there to begin with you know because they lack confidence and stuff but besides that you see a lot of people dating shorter guys and actually marrying shorter guys too that's not true

Bella (valarama TV)yeah sure guys yeah okay I again I think when it comes to internet we focus on the niche of women who have a specific preference of six foot and above but again there isn't a specific Niche

Bella (valarama TV)there's not like some small niche of women that prefer men who are taller the vast majority of women six foot and above that's what a lot of girls like that's what we assume is a lot of yeah

Brian Atlasthat's a stereotype it's not just a stereotype it happens to be true no I disagree there's also I think it's embarrassment you literally have a table of women saying we disagree yeah you're going to give diplomatic

TTS Readerpolitically correct answers no no trust me 100 it's very simple to a good man who knows his worth a woman is worth the

TTS Readerlowest price any guy has to pay for her privacy all women start off Priceless but some end up 4.99 anyone with any experience knows how that ends dot free

Brian Atlascollege isn't worth it sorry it's 7.99 right now [Laughter] much appreciated

Brian Atlasso it look maybe you are all outliers and maybe you all don't excuse me don't really care about height but um the reality is generally speaking I'd

Brian Atlassay most women would prefer to date a tall guy taller than herga yeah I agree and I would say most women like if you ask them

Tayloraverage woman I just if you're literally taking out then sure but if you put a guy who's shorter who has more personality next to

Brian Atlasa guy who's like six and he's you know something I'm gonna choose the guy with the personality well yeah but you can you can create these hypothetical scenarios but but would you if again

Brian Atlaslike all things being equal you're going to pick the taller guy for sure

Brian Atlasyeah there's an evolutionary basis because a guy who's physically larger who's taller is more capable of Defending you I agree in hunting and

Brian AtlasGathering yeah yeah but sure no I agree so and also tall guys are attractive I mean they've done like there's all these videos where

Brian Atlasa guy will interview a girl would you rather date a guy who's ugly but tall or like a handsome guy in short and a lot of women will pick the ugly tall guy he'll pick ugly and Tall over I need

Bella (valarama TV)more detail yeah I need more yeah when you say short short how short I need more descriptions like shorter than me then yeah I would not date a guy who's shorter than me oh so height does matter I said that a hike in Madison she likes

Bella (valarama TV)tall okay I want a person to be taller than me absolutely yes what I'm dating I don't yeah but I don't have a specific like number preference I

Brian Atlaswait so you have a boyfriend how tall is your boyfriend

Brian Atlastaller than me because it's not like super duper tall all right well we'll move away from the high thing but uh we have body though I'm funny

Brian Atlaswe have Stiffler here ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten okay we'll do that uh we'll start with you

Bella (valarama TV)um I oh it I think eight okay what about you solid eight okay um

Julia Lynn SandovalI'd say I'm we're rating we're rating ourselves I don't know why um I'd say a nine or a ten I'm not gonna

Brian Atlaslie nine or a ten yeah nine ten I am 9.5 or do you just want to go with the 10.

Julia Lynn Sandoval9.5

VictoriaI would say I'm an eight okay what about you I don't like the numbers thing because I feel like it's so hard to like put yourself to a number especially like when you're like how I feel about myself and how others

Victoriaperceive so like I would give out a number that I feel like people would be like oh she's so she's so like full of herself and and that so like any number I give wouldn't be a true representation of like how I feel about myself

Victoriadoes that make sense I would give you a political number even though like I'm not really in myself like okay pick a number yeah just pick a number 69 I don't know I don't know I don't I don't like the numbers thing I don't

Victorialike being just like it's just like being like called mid like I'm just gonna take me and just make me a number I don't know I think maybe it's just you're rating what is the rating but it's like what's up

Julia Lynn Sandovalparameters of being a number is it just like fine let's just I think we're getting together yeah let's just not we're getting too dumb just keep it surface skip me he's in surface

Julia Lynn Sandovallaughs I don't know keep it surface

Sadieum five being dead average I would say

Sadie6.57 I think you're seven seven yeah okay all right because I I don't know Ryan your turn brown hair in the green eyes like it's a little above average I'd say you guys should see my butt and

Julia Lynn Sandovalthen a bell it would probably go higher it was a excuse me camera that was a 12. no let's go don't do her like that barked at me earlier which makes

Brian Atlasher a 13. oh wow she's just protective okay Brian your turn go yeah give myself six 6.9 on a good day you know

Elizabethyou were about to say something no no oh you're like saying something about 10 or no I'm saying she is a 10 because I felt like she was like black and confidence you know oh you think no but it's

Brian Atlasstrictly looks but you were you were rating her as a 10th okay got it can we go like what about like something else let's rate ourselves on something

Brian Atlascongratulations yeah wait I don't think they could see you I think Elizabeth was kind of blocking I blocked

Brian Atlaswould you hurray you wanted to do that no no okay okay check hello all right there you go ladies and gentlemen um okay so we have let's see actually

Brian Atlashold on let me uh oh uh okay we did rating oh uh while we're at it um who here thinks body count to matter I do or does matter it does matter it

Elizabethdoes matter Elizabeth oh sorry dozing off pilate count yeah that thing I think the lower the number the better seriously

Julia Lynn Sandovalokay it's unattractive knowing when someone has a high body count okay in my opinion okay I think that's so just like

Taylorsurface I think it I don't think it matters I think it's about the human I also don't think it matters yeah I think as long as you're having safe sex if you're a hoe you're a hoe but like

Julia Lynn Sandovalhaving like empty sex I feel like what does that mean that it's empty but people can people also can change and awaken and maybe think that's the thing

Elizabethlike I have some friends that are like that so I'm like do you think they could what is yours what do you think against a high body count like what would be your number where you'd be like no

Victorialike he picked basically slept maybe like a different girl every single day whatever guys he's you know bagged at least 15 to 20 girls would you be

Elizabethlike prob that's passable definitely okay that's fine that's fine but not like multiple you mean just two more how do you know the truth how are you gonna know what if he lies to you then you got a liar that's the

Julia Lynn Sandovalthing I've actually 600 girls and it's literally 700 yeah like you know I feel like because

Elizabethum these are this group of friends that I know and like the reason why I was friends with him was was because I thought he was a good person or very innocent he came very innocent to me he treated me very nicely

Elizabethum but then knowing that he'd been hiding that he has been like a player that player mentality so he was trying to get at you he was trying to get on my good side definitely so you just don't

Elizabethwant a player I mean there could be a guy for sure because it shows that I feel like love in essence is like basically commitment and or should I say

Elizabethlike sacrifice like if you because maybe for me I believe in like one lover you know I mean like the one person for you like a soul mate basically yeah like a soul mate I don't believe in that you

Bella (valarama TV)don't believe in that so you don't believe in soulmates no I think it's kind of but you believe like there's eight billion people in this world and there's only one person made for you yes because I feel like if you

Elizabethfind that one person to work on your relationship if you find that one person for you you could basically look around at other people and say like my girl's the best you mean or like

Brian Atlasyou mean your eyes only on for your girl yeah but I don't know I just this the soulmate thing because how many people think there's someone's a soul mate and then two years later they're broken up or two years later divorced if you're

Victoriabroken up within the next two years and basically he's not the soulmate for you yeah but what if you thought they were your soulmate they weren't your soulmate yeah how do you know you have to work on your relationship no yeah that's right

Elizabeththat's the thing like if you fights within a relationship a soul mate would know how to solve it you would know how to solve it to continue the relationship I definitely believe like and not just

Victoriacall it quiz not just call it quits and just really run off yeah like if you can fight and figure it out and I think I think it's not like not like fighting like screaming yelling like you need to be able to do complications but I think

Julia Lynn Sandovalit's more so two individuals having the uh level of maturity and ability to communicate in order to problem solve that's exactly create a healthy relationship like right relationship takes effort and I very much think it's

Taylorlike an everyday thing and you have to work for that every single day it's not like it's never gonna be easy you're gonna have your happy days you're gonna have your sad days and you just yeah but if there's more sad days than happy days

Elizabethmaybe maybe this too because I am thankful to have like should I say uh an amazing upbringing my both of my parents my mom lessons yeah

Elizabethmy mom met my dad like like I think um she was a virgin when she met him The One and Only Lover you know so then I had a really good support thing they thought yes but they knew how to um

Brian Atlasresolve every single problem how long they're making was your dad I've been married for 38 years wow you said your mom was a virgin but like he wasn't was he just like running

Elizabeththrough chicks and yeah I think you know I think he only had like three girlfriends in his life I mean like normal

Elizabethso I I believe like the upbringing of someone plays a huge role into who they are yeah right like I understand like okay in order make them a friend they're

Elizabetha player right I understand probably their upbringing wasn't the best right probably a bad maybe the girlfriend previous previous X I meant like

Elizabethcheated on him to where he's heartbroken you know that time let's understand to where you can't trust anybody anymore and then you just want to have but that's understanding but there comes to a point where it's like you're an adult and you have to take ownership in your

Julia Lynn Sandovallife I have never seen a relationship work out at all and my family is and my upbringing was extremely toxic and I've done so much self-development to be able to get where I'm at and so I do think

Julia Lynn Sandovalthat yes childhood shapes you absolutely you're more likely to end up in that situation however have some ownership and strength to get up and create a life that you want yeah but I think one of you psycho one of your

Bella (valarama TV)viewers is bringing up a very interesting point where I think culture also plays a very big role as to what kind of individual you will be in the dating so I feel like when it comes to

Bella (valarama TV)the Western Society we are very much of a hookup culture where you know hookup is in a way kind of promoted and stuff like that encouraged even it's like yeah explore your sexuality TV and movies

Bella (valarama TV)yeah but I feel like it a lot of other countries Eastern Asian countries Middle East and Etc I think you know there is no such a thing as hookup culture it's more like

Bella (valarama TV)try to find a person try to build a relationship marry and Etc so I think culture also plays a very big role definitely like a word so that's that's the word because maybe I had a good

Brian Atlasinfluence in my life too where that's the reason why um the way I am you know well question for the whole panel um who here uh to show of hands parents still together

Brian Atlasparents still together still married best friends parents uh who here parents divorced some point in childhood

Brian Atlasand anybody here just father never there at all anybody Bueller anybody okay okay um word

Julia Lynn SandovalBrian why does it just a father true because my mom wasn't really there but oh is your dad my dad but like that

Julia Lynn Sandovalgo ahead my dad was there but like were either parents there like question mark but oh wow okay yeah no but but uh they're both there now they're both

Brian Atlasyeah I also have a lot of question mark were either there closer relationship uh with my father than I do with my mother you have a closer relationship with your father correct okay all right uh well

Brian Atlassomeone mentioned red flag so uh maybe we could actually no before we do no hold on let's stick we didn't finish the body count so a couple of you said body count does matter I think you you and you said body count does matter you

Brian Atlasthree said body count shouldn't doesn't matter if I don't want to misquote anybody here uh just curious uh what's everybody's body count

Bella (valarama TV)Okay so I say one and a half the reason why is because me and my part oh one of my partners like you know did things but it never involved like full-on but then

Bella (valarama TV)with my recent acts it was actually like a full-on thing

Brian Atlasfine go to I don't know I don't know why you're looking at me like this she's been with a hundred we already know this no no 1.5 so is that like

Bella (valarama TV)a tug job in the back of a 7-Eleven parking lot what are we talking about no it's more like you know making up finger I don't know how I don't know yeah but it's like a knot no penetration

Brian Atlasno you know a blowy was there a blowy on me but I never did there's a blowing on you no blowing on him though no blow you no no no

Bella (valarama TV)yeah it's easy plus but then uh with my recent one it was uh like a actually full-on relationship so that's why I say one and a half but yeah

Brian Atlasokay um Elizabeth what about you body count she's a virgin zero yeah

Brian Atlasyeah okay uh what about you 18 18 what about you six six what about you one one what about you Julia um I can count on two hands

Julia Lynn SandovalI think it's I think it's nine I think it's nine yeah I don't understand how people just sit here and are like counting and tallying and like like I don't just sit here and like but if I were to

Julia Lynn Sandovalbro your dog is there's a collapsing trachea what the my earring keeps falling no I feel bad for your dog multiply it by three and that's the real number well I mean whatever the number is you gotta multiply that by three

Julia Lynn Sandovalfor all of you okay that's that's not fair no mine's like legit because then I'm gonna say I'm gonna say one then because I know I've been with less than I can count on two hands less than ten absolutely lately

Julia Lynn Sandovalokay all right so I'm gonna go ahead and say two wait you just said nine yeah because you're about to multiply it so I'm gonna say two now that'd be six hello yeah that six is better than anything at

Brian Atlascollege okay um just not math or geography Good Times uh okay so we're gonna react to a video um of a uh this was on Tick Tock recently

Brian Atlaskind of got a little bit of attention basically single mom and she's upset with the dating landscape as a single mom let's go ahead and play that video oh

Brian Atlasoh pause pause pause pause uh video tab please you're gonna have to uh do the thingy oh sorry

TikTok Videouh started start it from the beginning sorry there guys so I want to talk about something that's been really really annoying me lately this is going to be a it's about men but

TikTok Videosingle mom version so something that's been getting under my skin is men not understanding what it means to be a single mom so as a single mom a

TikTok Videosingle working mom I have my plate full to the maximum right I don't have free time the time that I do have free I just want to relax so one I get it I'm single

TikTok Videoyes do I want to date sure if I meet the right person right but if you invite me out for a dinner or drinks especially during the weeknight come on you know I have things to do I'm sure you have things to do the

TikTok Videonext day I have a child to take care of I can't just go out late at night just whenever right um so you have to take that into consideration so if you're really going

TikTok Videoto invite me out one make it worth my time and what do I mean by make it worth my time just just don't invite me out to dinner and drinks get creative invite me out for an activity do something

TikTok Videodifferent do something that's going to be worth my time and effort I am taking time out of my evening to meet with you to go and enjoy your company you know to see how things work if we're compatible

TikTok VideoI'm making an effort so I expect you to make an effort so don't just assume that I'm going to be able to drop off my child somewhere because most likely I'm not so unless you're offering to pay for

TikTok Videothe babysitter I'm not going on that date also and offer to pay for the babysitter that's going to make me more receptive to want to go and spend my time with you and another thing do not

TikTok Videojust assume that you can invite me and my daughter out no I do not introduce my daughter to guys that's a No-No so there's that and also don't just assume

TikTok Videothat you're going to invite me out for drinks and I'm gonna show up what makes you think that I'm going to put my safety in Jeopardy by drinking and driving so unless you're gonna film the video

TikTok Videoit's a no on the drinks during the week so moral of the story is yeah she already has a lot on her plate so don't add to her play don't make her

TikTok Videolife more stressful don't make her plan out the day that you want to take her on like that's not gonna happen so all I'm gonna say is do better and to everyone asking

TikTok Videome out on freaking dates lately literally if the shoe fits then it fits okay that's all I gotta say yikes okay um

VictoriaI don't even want to go on a date with her damn I feel like she's just she's in her masculine she just needs somebody who fits exactly into what there's a sense of entitlement there I feel like

Bella (valarama TV)um which is I mean I feel like she knows what she wants for sure she wants what she wants baby girl a lot yeah she's expecting way too much her standards are way too high yeah

Brian Atlasyeah well I mean a couple of the Things She Said is she she doesn't want to just do dinner in a drink stage she it sounded like she wanted something a bit more elaborate she also says you should

Brian Atlaspay for the babysitter and she also says if you do invite me out for drinks and I think I mean I maybe this is not the most charitable understanding of what she said she says don't expect me to

Victoriaeven show up for the date but I'm not sure if that's what she meant it sounded like I mean she's asking the person whoever this video is directed to value my time but

Bella (valarama TV)she's now saying the video I don't value Yours by not showing up no I don't think he meant that I think she meant like I'm not gonna show up while like driving to the drinking place I think she is

Julia Lynn Sandovalexpecting for the guy their invitation has been extended and she's accepting it so she's not showing up I just think it's literally exactly what I was trying to say to the Beret girl on the last episode it's like not what you say it's

Julia Lynn Sandovalreally how you say it that matters and like really coming and just like bitching in someone's ear is really not going to get you what you want so like maybe lean into your feminine and be like cute and sweet about it you know

Bella (valarama TV)it's very easy but don't because even I don't want to listen and I'm a girl clearly yeah but I think it's again at the end of the day it's like uh she's the one who has a child right it's

Bella (valarama TV)her full responsibility it's not the guy that potentially might full-time date her like that's not his responsibility it is yours to find and pay for the babysitter if you actually want to participate in the dating world and Etc

Julia Lynn Sandovaland uh after the first date yeah but I think I actually I kind of do again there are a lot of things she said that I agree with however how you say it matters but what do you agree with for the first date

Julia Lynn Sandovallike yeah you barely know the guy why but I think it is also very um sweet and kind and it shows that you're very interested to be like hey like I know you have daughters like if I feel like if you offer to pay for a

Bella (valarama TV)babysitter I would be so flattered yeah that's sweet but don't expect but if someone does it that's so sweet but don't expect I think that's awesome yeah don't expect it yeah don't make that then you're entitled at that point

Bella (valarama TV)and it's just not cute yeah yeah I think I I think I understand you yeah and also like um for me when it comes to First Aid it's like both people are trying to get to know each other there's we don't know

Bella (valarama TV)if there's going to be chemistry or not so I think like hey let's go on a coffee date and so you know see how it's going and there's you know a very good open uh chance if I don't like this I could

Bella (valarama TV)leave right away but when you say hey let's do something elaborate something in private I think that's stranger danger one and two it's uh what if there's no initial chemistry like what

Brian Atlasabout that it's like both people are wasting their time it's kind of territory I think to pay for a babysitter for a woman's children from another I feel weird no please tell me what a is I seriously I

Brian Atlaslegitimately do not know well I'm not I'm not literally saying it's but it's like kind of to okay you are basically fulfilling the

Brian Atlasprovider role for a woman who has been impregnated impregnated and has a son from another man so you're you're basically it's not tuck but it's like

Sadieit's all right you like like watching somebody else please cook is enjoying yeah like someone else placing your woman kinky no

Brian AtlasI I yes I know I'm not using it strictly in the literal sense but it is like as a man it's kind of an L to fall into the

Brian Atlasprovider role I I think personally I'm not saying that stepdad is a

Brian Atlashey if you want to be a stepdad I think that's wonderful I think it's great however just looking at it from a guy's perspective if you don't have kids of

Brian Atlasyour own there are much more optimal mating choices you can make than a single mom I think it depends on like what your boundaries are and what you're trying to invest and if you really like

Julia Lynn Sandovalthe girl and you're super down to you know pay for the kid and all stuff like that it's like almost saying like you're you're open to sharing the responsibility of the kid it is so it's a boundary saying if you're not trying to give that impression then definitely

Julia Lynn Sandovaldon't offer but like you know if you're someone who wants to come in and like you know if you go out to dinner you're paying for the child as well then yeah for sure but just be mindful and have boundaries to

Brian Atlasyou know I don't know it's just like you're you're provisioning for another man's child it's like a little sub-optimal majority of guys don't want to do that majority of men and I think a lot of women

Julia Lynn Sandovalprobably I don't think though some do though my boyfriend's uh brother did that and his uh his dad also did that so like some do and some are cool with that

Bella (valarama TV)but I don't also uh I don't think that's actually a move to pay for a babysitter on the first date because it's like you're not necessarily taking care of the child you like hey I want to

Bella (valarama TV)date this woman so I'm gonna try to make it possible to actually date her um and get to know her I don't think that's necessarily hey I'm not providing for this child you know what I mean I just feel like it's not his

Sadieresponsibility to have to find Child Care yeah that's why like someone that he wants to take on a day if she doesn't want to go on the date then whatever but if she does why wouldn't you find your own like I think that's why I agree with

Julia Lynn Sandovalwhat Julia said I think it's nice if he does it but it should never be an expectation yeah especially on the first date that's like yeah like he doesn't even know you why is he gonna invest in you already you know I mean and then

Brian Atlasalso if if that single mother leans a bit more traditional in her values let's say the relationship you know develops she is probably down down the road in

Brian Atlasthe relationship she is probably going to look at you to be be a provider for the kids do you think somebody should be telling you before the first date if they have kids or not yes yeah actually I think I think I think most

Brian Atlaswomen are pretty forthcoming about if they have a kid or not however I've definitely there was one time I went on a date with a girl and she reveals it on the date which I'm like

Brian Atlasshe was nice and everything but it's like you should you ought to disclose that I think before most like as early on as possible so well I don't think you should hide that though too because let's say you're swiping up on Tinder

Julia Lynn Sandovaland you're there just you know trying to you're gonna go get food and you're just like down to hook up after like it depends on the intentions if you're she's looking for a relationships yeah absolutely but uh I mean I mean yeah yeah I suppose

Brian Atlasyeah if you're just trying to have a one-night stand it's like well what does it matter if I have a kid but um you know I mean but it kind of goes back to what you said you said most women are looking for relationships but I don't know I think a lot of women are

Brian Atlasperfectly happy engaging in hookup culture and casual sex and I think more women participate in hookup culture and Casual Sex than do men I heard that in nowadays and I think

Bella (valarama TV)it also depends on um it also depends I think what city you're from and Etc like um I think specific cities like you know New York

Bella (valarama TV)um LA and stuff like that women are more sexually open and uh way more okay with hooking up I'm not really into hookup culture I think there's a lot of issues with hookup culture but if you

Julia Lynn Sandovalwant to participate in it just be responsible know what you're putting yourself into I think a lot of females are a little bit like love to play the whole like woe is me like oh my God I just wish a guy would treat me right

Julia Lynn Sandovalwhen really like she doesn't even isn't able to step up and actually be a wife like truly and that's because I had to take a hard look in the mirror and be like wow like

Bella (valarama TV)no I want to be a wife like why you know I kind of agree in the sense where like I think a lot of individuals and uh women as well uh especially when they're younger they're not a very very

Bella (valarama TV)self-aware and they don't really want to acknowledge what they want they might want a relationship but they might say oh no I'm just looking up for a hookup but then expect maybe a guy to change his opinion and actually have a

Julia Lynn Sandovalrelationship but they're not very forthcoming and open with themselves and with the guys but I think that comes with the maturity level yeah I think a lot of girls just like to play though it was me like they want the attention they're like oh my God

Julia Lynn Sandovalruined my life like this one did too I just want a boyfriend so bad and like really you know this also this also goes to the other winter as well like vice versa to the guys as well what do you

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