Single Mom Wants Date To PAY For Babysitter?! | Dating Talk #80

Date: 2023-07-03

Duration: 5h 14m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBella (valarama TV)>

EElizabeth (DT96)>

JJulia Lynn Sandoval >

TTaylor (DT80)>

VVictoria (DT80)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_03Bella (valarama TV)(guest)

SPEAKER_04TikTok Video(audience)

SPEAKER_06Elizabeth(guest)

SPEAKER_08Sadie(guest)

SPEAKER_09Julia Lynn Sandoval(guest)

SPEAKER_10Victoria(guest)

SPEAKER_11Taylor(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteElizabeth reveals she is 23, has never had a boyfriend, never been on a romantic date, is a 5-time US national figure skater, double gold medalist, youth Olympian, Miss Orange County, Maxim cover, and acted in American Horror Story. Still lives with protective parents and gives all earnings to family.

“I am a two times double gold medalist, I'm a five-time US national competitor... I was Miss Orange County... I was on the cover of Maxim magazine... I worked with American Horror Story.”

QuoteSadie discloses she witnessed friends having sex with up to 4 guys in one night at SLO frat parties; describes witnessing the acts directly.

“I've never seen someone just like meet somebody and automatically like go to a bedroom... I grew up Christian so I was not... in this world like that.”

QuoteJulia shares that at 18-19 she made out with a photographer in his 40s who used his industry status to groom her; says she now feels it was grooming despite consenting at the time, citing brain development under 25.

“I was getting into modeling, he's a photographer... he abused his power in a sense but I consented... I do feel like I was groomed at 18 years old.”

OtherRatings round: Bella self-rates 8, Julia self-rates 9.5, Victoria self-rates 8 (reluctantly), Sadie self-rates 6.5-7, Brian self-rates 6/6.9. Elizabeth declines number but calls Sadie a 10.

“Bella: eight. Julia: nine or a ten... 9.5. Victoria: eight. Sadie: 6.5-7. Brian: six 6.9 on a good day.”

QuoteTikTok single mom video played on stream: woman demands dates pay for her babysitter, plan creative activities, not invite her daughter, not serve drinks on weekday dates.

“Unless you're offering to pay for the babysitter, I'm not going on that date.”

QuoteBella argues that finding and paying for the babysitter is the single mom's own responsibility if she chooses to participate in dating.

“It's not the guy that potentially might full-time date her... that's not his responsibility. It is yours to find and pay for the babysitter if you actually want to participate in the dating world.”

QuoteVictoria reveals she met her husband (Allen, one of the original four from Justin.TV; face of the BrokeBack Twitch emote; WoW Lich King world-first raider in Blood Legion) by watching him stream and chatting in his Twitch chat; he flew her to San Diego the same week.

“I used to watch him play World of Warcraft on Twitch... Someone said oh she's a girl and he said let me check her out... He flew me out that same week to San Diego to come meet him.”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Brian introduces the show. Guests introduce themselves: Bella (valarama TV, AZ, Twitch/OF, declines age), Elizabeth (23, LA, model/actress/ice skater), Julia (26, CO/LA, content creator/OF, in first relationship), Taylor (25, FL, Kick streamer), Victoria (married, Canadian in SD, Twitch/OF), Sadie (20, SLO, college student, in relationship). Relationship statuses and OF income discussed.

Body Count and Hookup Culture

Sadie recounts witnessing friends hook up with 3-4 guys per night at SLO frat parties; she remained a virgin until current boyfriend. Panel discusses hookup culture, body count preferences, and whether it matters.

Age Gaps and Grooming

Julia shares experience of making out with a 40s-something photographer when she was 18-19; questions whether consent was truly informed given brain development under 25. Brian notes retroactive regret vs. legal consent distinction. Discussion of brain development and voting age.

OnlyFans Relationship Dynamics

Panel discusses whether men want to date women who do OnlyFans. Arguments about sexual purity vs business, validation from subscribers diminishing partner attention, children and bullying concerns, adam22 open relationship case, top-percentage OF statistics.

Self-Ratings / Looks Scale

Panel rates their own looks 1-10: Bella (8), Julia (9.5), Victoria (8, declines specific number), Sadie (6.5-7), Brian (6/6.9). Elizabeth rates herself implicitly a 10 via Elizabeth rating Sadie as 10.

Single Mom Babysitter Debate

TikTok video played of single mom saying men should pay for her babysitter to earn a date, should not invite her and daughter out, should not expect late-night dates. Panel debates: is it fair to expect date to pay babysitter? Consensus: panel finds it entitled; guest's own responsibility to arrange childcare. Brian notes provisioning for another man's child is sub-optimal.

High-Value Man/Woman Definition

Discussion of what constitutes a "high-value" man (physical, success, character, ambition, values) vs high-value woman (physical appearance, values, character; income less important for women than men).

Dating Apps and Modern Dating

Discussion of dating apps, messaging culture, ghosting, expectations for response speed, relationships starting casual vs committed.

Red Flags Round

Panel shares personal red flags: van lifers (Brian), Instagram-only girls abroad (Julia, sugar daddy implication), impatience/insecurity (Bella), rudeness to service staff (Victoria), looking down on others' views (Julia), rude to mom or animals (Julia), condoms visible on first date (panel discussion).

Transcript

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Bella (valarama TV)people's answers okay go Switzerland France and New Zealand okay Vietnam Thai Thailand and China okay

Tayloryou know geography was uh what the just fell off of you my brain cells just kidding hold on uh what about you go ahead Nicaragua Colombia she

Victoriathree three uh Norway Denmark uh I think there's another Scandinavian country yeah Iceland okay I don't even really want to attempt to

Sadietry right yes that's one Russia okay Ukraine is that like kind of yeah there you go Russia Ukraine okay one more Europe did someone say that already um

Bella (valarama TV)you're meant to say Egypt that's I think what you meant I got the two I'll say two out of three yeah for sure for sure what about you Julia

Julia Lynn Sandovalthree countries go quick quick you got this I believe in you I honestly don't even know what was currently said just name three countries yeah I don't know what these other

Brian Atlasso you've got you've got Africa Africa's wide opens of countries Africa's wide open Middle East here Middle East is open any African country is yours for the taking

Julia Lynn Sandovaluh uh not literally because that would be colonization okay Oceanic countries are open today well I don't know I don't know if they're a

Julia Lynn Sandovalcountry or not but like is therefore is yep yep one um Padre Islands is that a country most likely they're territories so yeah

Brian Atlaswhat else you got two more we believe in you is Saudi Arabia yep well done

Brian Atlasat this you've got someone say Indonesia beautiful well done all right you guys won't pass congratulations congratulations and we have Curtis here

Elizabethuh Curtis says Elizabeth can you read this one to Elizabeth you're a very to Elizabeth you're a very beautiful a pretty lady my question hold on you're

Brian Atlasputting words how dare you how dare you please here let me pull it up again go ahead here we go okay to Elizabeth you're a very pretty lady my question is because of

Elizabethall of your accomplishments in life so far do you feel like it will intimidate men and make it harder good question sad sad to say but yes

Brian Atlaswell I don't yes I don't think you're going to intimidate men is the thing I think that for example I mean would you your successful woman would you want

Brian Atlasfor a partner or maybe a guy who you eventually date or marry would you want a guy who uh in terms of his success is at least as successful as you or more

ElizabethI like a guy that has Ambitions right I like a guy that's driven has a goal in mind because honestly that's that's like sexy to me like seeing a guy that has a

Elizabethgoal in life and seeing him achieve it sure that's attractive to me but then like you don't have to be on my level you know I mean like you don't have to accomplish that much but like just

Brian Atlasseeing the process of it is nice okay what is your level by the way you make a million over a mill a year what's the boss babe status

Brian Atlas[Music] well okay millionaire that's a little different but how much I mean how much do you make a year range you don't have to say exact more that you make more uh six seven figures a year

Bella (valarama TV)um yeah eight figures probably like might make eight figures a year oh wait listen get me on those flights with you okay you specifically making that money or is that your family so like you don't necessarily see that

Elizabethmoney I the thing is no matter what job the iBook that's the thing of my family it's like all of our money comes together you know what I mean yeah

Elizabethbecause like my family support is very I mean like my family's a tight Bond that's a big based like it's pretty big like anything that I book like with American Horror Story or with Maxim or

ElizabethEstee Lauder all that that paycheck I'm like Mom this is yours like I give it to my mom what's your mom yeah where what bank accounts like you guys all share a bank account then and like have a yeah

Brian Atlaslike we have access to wow to them what did you do to your hand by the way you got the Band-Aid on your end did you get in a fight with somebody or what's up I

Bella (valarama TV)do we need to call like a line for you or something no I'm a tough girl don't worry [Music] are you gonna send a prenup um you can sign the print you're gonna have a print like what if guys she

Julia Lynn Sandovalhasn't even gotten her serious relationship yet

Bella (valarama TV)all right you guys are you both interested or what's going on over here your family has wealth right and you're saying yeah I would date a guy with ambitious but not on the same level as me so he

Bella (valarama TV)doesn't necessarily have to be like a multi-millionaire so if you were to marry would you send a prenup

Brian Atlasthey only like I haven't thought about that Elizabeth if if I were to marry you no if I were to marry you if I were to propose to you right let's say let's say I propose to you would and let's say

Brian Atlasyou're earning more than me if you're you're saying you're making eight figures a year you're earning more than me is there going to be a prenup between us because they're gonna be a prenup

Brian Atlassorry bads is there a prenup because I'm listen if you really cared about me you wouldn't make me sign a prenup like if you really loved me yeah the truth yeah like

Brian Atlashonestly if I do like it's forever Elizabeth you and me it's forever you you and me yeah it's forever like we're not getting divorced so like no pre no prenup needed there's no prenup needed

Julia Lynn Sandovalbecause it's true love it's true if it's true love you know what I mean like I wouldn't yeah but money can change anyone and I'm that's how would you know it's true love like you never really know like monogamous relationships have

Bella (valarama TV)50 failure rate so how do you feel about that wait which monogamous relationships like marriages are 50 failure rate okay oh you're talking married like the divorce rate divorce sorry yeah divorce rates wait why'd you say monogamous

Elizabethfor you and me I said if it's true love then of course of course it is of course it is all

Brian Atlasright boys I got the bag let's go okay how did how did you like what's that okay okay are you down I don't know are you down

Brian Atlaslike um for me to be like a stay-at-home dad is that cool with you like I just do nothing and you just do something no I'll just like yeah and then um

Brian AtlasI'll take care of the kids she brings up a very interesting point you did say do nothing but taking care of kids taking care of it well I I didn't mean doing taking care

Brian Atlasof the kids is doing nothing what I was saying is do nothing in terms of work in terms of contributing monetary yeah like stay-at-home Dad yeah I'll

Brian Atlasdrive the minivan it's all good I got you it's on the breadwinner yeah how many how many kids do you want seven I got you Jesus is that are you gonna birth them too no no

Brian Atlasum I'll be there for like the first three deliveries but after that I'll probably like be kicking it at home yeah like after like three deliveries like I can be in Hawaii or something and

Brian Atlasyou're just you know okay anyways what I don't know where I was going with that hey stay at home dads are hot thank you okay we have let's get through a couple

Brian Atlasof uh let's see here by the way we were gonna have bottom G on the show but unfortunately he couldn't make it so maybe we'll get him on the next show um let's see uh Julia I have just a couple specific notes for each of you

Brian Atlashere from some of our conversations uh via uh before the show uh Julia you were previously on with lav she was wearing the Beret do you have any choice words for laugh because I think you guys had a

Brian Atlaslittle um you guys had a little please hold please what you what happened are you wait what she's cold oh you're cold okay

Brian Atlasplease hold please hold okay she's putting on her undersized leather jacket oh what the oh oh she came

Julia Lynn Sandovalwith the cosplay listen bro okay let's go what's happening four words for you oh wow okay I hope you're having a good day though honestly I am that's all I

Brian Atlashope you can also name three countries with me sometime lav the Beret girl yeah it's my girl I think there's a little sexual tension between you two oh my Brian that's so scary I think you guys

Julia Lynn Sandovalmight have had like a something no I'm extremely straight but you know she wasn't she wasn't they want to own supermarkets together there you go that part okay

Brian AtlasI'm here today to be lab's higher self okay the Beret really brings out the color of your the Beret really brings out my

Brian Atlaspersonality that's exactly yeah okay um let's see here uh we had some I have something for you Mercedes um so you said in your pre-show messages

Brian Atlasto us that you used to go out and party every weekend with your friends and that they would hook up and have sex with multiple guys at night sometimes within meeting them for only a

Brian Atlasfew minutes and uh your friends would try to get you to do the same thing yeah but you you said you remained virgin until meeting your boyfriend um can you speak a little bit about that

Sadiewere you going were you going out to IV here at a party or was this back in slow no it was a like the pretty much the frats and slow okay the Frat parties in slow okay or just like any house party

Sadiein the slow County area and just I've never I'm kind of not too much friends with the people anymore but I've never seen someone just like meet somebody and automatically like go to a bedroom like

Sadiethat was like crazy to me I grew up Christian so I was not I don't know I've never been in this world like that and so it's crazy to see

Brian Atlasand I just thought it was gross so you're not into hookup culture no I'm not I think it's there's just no need I don't know I'm just changing okay um but so you witnessed

Brian Atlasyour friends and when you say friends like how many of your like most of your friend group was there one or two girls in particular that would go to these parties and like most of my friend group if they didn't have boyfriends that were already there

Brian Atlasand they're hooking up in a different room then it was all it was all my friends all your friends I was like count how many of your friends would have sex with multiple guys a night

Brian Atlasno I mean three four I wouldn't go with that many people to a party it was probably like four well to Any Given party but maybe you had a new friend circle into the group or

Brian Atlasmaybe you witnessed not girls who are your friends but you saw other girls at the party like doing this oh then yeah I like seeing other people do it too probably like at least hold on

TTS ReaderRex donated 100.69 bricks and I can't believe this betrayal Elizabeth the offer for the Opera still stands but we gotta go to Venice also is

TTS Readeryour family involved in the snake what is the snake what is the snake

Elizabethum Elizabeth

Brian Atlasso he's the Opera he wants to bring you to the Opera you I mean you said you used to play violin so what if he takes you to like a

Brian AtlasOrchestra what was like a good uh like a Bach piano concerto maybe a Legends of Zelda soundtrack

Bella (valarama TV)Game of Thrones Orchestra you know what instead of Opera how about Alexander Hamilton the play oh

Unknownthat's a good one yes Broadway Broadway do you have a response Elizabeth I trust you guys no wait so but he's he

Brian Atlasdo you accept his invitation to the Opera in Venice does the Venice have a I'm guessing if he would offer it then it must exist it's Italy they probably have it can you do like a research and make sure it's

Brian Atlaslike real like I don't want to be kidnapped what do you mean the guy no as in like the location oh the location well let's disregard the location do you accept his invitation assuming that the

Brian Atlasuh you know assuming that it's legit if it's legit I will accept the invitation I guess yeah

Brian Atlasokay by the way so he is I am familiar with who this guy is I his name's Victor and uh he did save me from a Bear Once I should let you know it's very

Brian Atlasimpressive we were camping to he's a bad zxe he's like kind of a friend of mine so one time we were camping there was a bear and um he saved me from a bear

Brian Atlassaved you from a bear he saved me from a bear how oh like what did he do well so we were camping and there's like um we were actually with um uh there was like some girls camping with us and uh they

Brian Atlasthey left out some Doritos and the Bears are attracted to the food nocturnally so they the the bear you know got into the food and uh so the

Brian Atlasbear rummaging through the camp and he like jumps out of the tent and like like scares the bear off what if it was a brown bear that would like attack you if

Brian Atlasyou tried to like boom you know like Victor is ready to die to defend his homies that's a goddamn bro right there he's a bro yeah so

Brian AtlasElizabeth he will he will definitely uh he's capable of protecting you from bears okay I can vouch for that

Brian Atlasare you down to date Victor and have his babies and marry him

Elizabethnot trying to bring up with him though [Laughter] I have babies in Mary but like I'm down okay cool I'm down okay cool but not only have babies I'm married for now for

Brian Atlassure for sure okay um so bringing the back to you uh how many how many of your friends were hooking up with multiple what what's the most amount of guys that one of your friends hooked up with it in the night

Sadiethree four um more give you like two seconds yeah yeah

Brian Atlasfour one one of your girlfriend one of your girlfriends hooked up with four guys in one night yeah it's

Sadieit's all done and they start making out with another person and then they just go to the bathroom go into the room do it like anything so you believe they actually

Sadiehad sex with multiple guys maybe they were just doing drugs no no I I walk in every time oh did this like a thing you last do yeah yeah why

Sadieare you walking in on them did they get tested that's just no I that's what I think like is ridiculous is the not getting tested does she does she use a condom no

Brian Atlasshe just got lucky every single time okay that's a yikes that is a yikes but it's not just one of your friends that's doing this it's multiple of your

Julia Lynn Sandovalfriends if they see this are they going to be upset with you I mean I know you're not naming them but I can hear my phone buzzing already wait if you were single wait okay first and foremost like who you surround yourself with the five

Julia Lynn Sandovalclosest people to you is like where you're moving in your future so absolutely with love and kindness because you seem like such a great girl what the I know I no I've moved on I have I moved to like I've moved on

Sadiefrom that because it's just not something I it doesn't match up with my beliefs like I said like I'm Christian I'm not

Sadiehardcore by the book also like Elizabeth said yeah but I love God and I'm just not gonna say around that so now like my core my like five core I

Sadieshe waited one of my friends waited until she was also after 18. and so that's what I did too I waited till I was after 18. because I can't really give consent be low 18. so do any of you guys have

Brian Atlassimilar stories to this have you witnessed any of your friends just like putting up numbers at like a party just like got jumping from dude to do to dude

Bella (valarama TV)no I wouldn't say that crazy no not four dude like maybe two dudes no just a little bit like I have a hook up one with one guy you know one guy when you go up or not yeah but one guy per night

Brian Atlasyeah yeah okay let's change it for a weekend if any girls here at the table either you or friend has in a 24-hour period hooked up with two dudes in within the 24-hour

Julia Lynn Sandovalperiod anybody here I haven't no I haven't I'm just I'm just you know I'm prompting them to raise their hands I have not but I have friends who have I mean I don't know about actually yeah sex-wise and they

Julia Lynn Sandovalwere just belligerently drunk and very young and like just immature and not in their right mind like just a very immature like mindset and just extremely drunk

Brian Atlashave y'all never just been to parties never that you've never liked it back this is normal I I've I've seen that go down to parties like a girl like a dude will hook up with a couple chicks a girl will hook up with a I feel

Victorialike not at the same time I don't know why I my friends are not really drama so like I feel like if something like that happened that would be instigating drama like you're gonna deal with crying girls and being like I would like him and he's

Bella (valarama TV)sleeping with her like I think besides that like if we see one of our friends being super drunk and you know moving on doing something that made my regret we might be like let's let's go yeah right

Victoriaum yeah definitely yeah but none of my friends have actually hooked up with multiple people on the same night okay I feel like I would talk to my friends if they were doing that oh yeah for sure especially because like so like

Victoriaif they're drunk like are you sure like this is what you want to do like yeah I don't know like are you actually I don't I don't want to wait yeah I'm not like I'm trying to control people but like you know exactly pretty safe space safety yeah yeah

Brian Atlasand the the friend of yours who did four guys in the night would she would you say that if you had to like rate her on a scale of one to ten or I mean you could do binary you could just say if she was attractive non-attractive or

Sadiethat's crazy I was actually talking with my friends last night we were hanging out in the hot tub and we were talking about raiding people we raided her actually

Sadieum she's I mean honest from five being average yeah she's like a like a seven and eight like she's

Bella (valarama TV)not just average so all right but but I feel like during that situation the rating doesn't really matter because everyone is like drunk and absolutely I thought you know what I mean so it

Bella (valarama TV)doesn't matter if she was seven or ten what matters is like there were like multiple drunk people and they just wanted to hook up more like that because I've seen people go down like you know

Brian Atlaskind of like lower their standards when they're drunk she did yes definitely yeah she did well I think the difference is though like a girl whose average or even below average in terms of her

Brian Atlasphysical appearance could pretty I think pretty easily sleep with couple dudes a night if she if she wanted to any degree

Taylorby choice I mean other than by choice it's not hard to find sex it's just it's not as a girl I felt like I was meant there's so many people in the world if you go out on the street though I think

Victoriait's easier for girls yeah it is easier but I'm saying like I lost my virginity when I was 20 because I felt like if I didn't have sex then I would never have sex and I literally like I had a boyfriend and we really like together

Victoriafor like three months and we never like did anything and I like basically was like all right we're doing this because like I just can't go through life without going past this like wall by the way we're twins I lost my virginity at 22. let's go

Brian AtlasI think the difference is though is that for I'd say almost any woman if she was so inclined well for starters could certainly get

Brian Atlaslaid pretty much any night she wants but I'd say to bring It Forward even any girl could almost any girl could probably sleep with two three four guys a night whereas for a guy to be able to

Sadiedo that you gotta be like you gotta be I'd say pretty good looking or have some like pretty serious games yeah I don't think any boy can sleep with any girl I think

Sadiesome men will totally Divergence because like if you walk there's so much more like if you're a girl you walked up to a guy on the street I think you guys did that video one time and you're like do you

Bella (valarama TV)want to come have sex with me they would probably be like okay right now okay let's go and then a boy did that they'd be like get away from me yeah that's what I like I feel like when it comes to girls girls

Bella (valarama TV)can get easily late but I think it's harder for girls to find a guy who is willing to have a relationship with her I feel like for guys it's more uh they have a harder time getting late but they

Brian Atlashave an easier time once they find a girl to get into a relationship erroneous the I disagree I mean I I think it's I think it's uh I think they

Brian Atlasboth kind of especially in today I think they one follows the other if you have difficulty getting laid you're going to have difficulty getting a relationship

Brian AtlasI think I think women have the the advantage in both Realms both getting sex and getting a relationship I think where women have trouble when it comes to getting relationship it's getting a relationship from the guy you want yeah

Bella (valarama TV)well besides that I also feel like a guy who's getting laid is also a guy who's not really ready to settle down and have a relationship because he's like oh I'm getting late so I can probably get laid multiple times so why commit

Bella (valarama TV)yeah you know what I mean yeah but I feel like for a guy though um let's just say you found a girl who is able you you able to get laid with her right and you're able to talk I feel like a lot more girls are actually

Bella (valarama TV)willing to commit and have a relationship compared to guys so I feel like if a guy is ready and he finds a girl who's you know willing to sleep

Brian Atlaswith him and just pay him attention um they could potentially build a relationship wait you think can you repeat that first part you think that it's easier for sorry repeat the first part of that

Bella (valarama TV)uh I forgot you're saying you said like uh you said it's harder

Bella (valarama TV)to try to say it so for girls for ladies yeah it is easier to get laid it's easy for ladies to have sex it is

Bella (valarama TV)harder for them to find someone who's ready to settle down and have a relationship with okay okay for a guy if you are ready to settle down and have a relationship with you

Bella (valarama TV)can find a girl who's ready to sleep with you and have a relationship that's true I feel like I'm not so sure about that here's why I'm not sure about that kind of guy well of course because the majority of

Bella (valarama TV)the guys probably would not want to settle down if they're willing if they're able to get laid multiple times right like a guy who is able to get laid every week with a different girl is probably not going to be able not wanna

Bella (valarama TV)like settle down and stuff like that but if a guy does want to settle down he can go find a girlfriend get late and also be able to

Brian Atlasmanaged to build a real issue with that girl because more girls are willing to have relationships have relationships than men I agree yeah I'm not I'm actually not sure if I'm actually not

Brian Atlassure if that's true I think there's plenty of men that would that are very prepared to have relationships I just think a lot of women Overlook a lot of men

Brian AtlasI think a lot of a lot of women are looking at like a pretty high tier of men and disregarding a not even large yeah I was about to say not even high tear it could be like average guys like

Brian Atlasit's just well hold on are you talking about online dating or IRL because that plays a role well yes there are certainly differences between online dating and IRL but for example if you look at online dating which is actually

Brian Atlashow most people are actually meeting nowadays uh they've released some statistics on this and I think the majority of relationships are originated online so whether that's a dating app or meeting through Instagram whatever it

Brian Atlasmay be Instagram's kind of a dating app but um it's it's not clear to me that men have an easier time getting relationships perhaps the top 100

Brian Atlas20 top 10 of men uh they could easily get a relationship but I think a lot of them don't have the incentive because that category of men that uh cohort of

Bella (valarama TV)men as you said it's it's fairly relatively easy for them to get laid uh so so when it comes to online dating I think we have to be a little bit more careful because um when you look at online dating

Bella (valarama TV)there's actually more men using it compared to women so there is a very small pool of women who are actually using online dating to find partnership and typically those small percentage of

TTS Readerwomen are willing to swipe right to a very small percentage of men hold on it's just a 79 would you be interested in a guy who looks in his 20s but is actually in his 40s

Taylorjust I guess I don't know who this is directed to if you all want it yes or no answer definitely yeah sure I I had sex with this guy who's like 36 and he looked like he was late 20s and I would

Victoriaso do it again actually not an older guy for sure I know who Jesse is for sure Jesse is uh he's famous he's uh Jesse Hyman he's the world's

Victoriagreatest extra he uh kissed bar raphaeli in the call Daddy

Brian Atlaswell I guess confirm or deny in any case um thank you Jesse for that TTS much appreciated man um so you were saying uh yeah so um those pool of women actually

Bella (valarama TV)swipe right to one percentage of men because those one percentage of men are considered to be better looking uh probably have more you know well written down bios and Etc uh because again majority of the time when it comes to

Bella (valarama TV)online dating you're judging them off uh profile what they look like so uh that's why they have a small percentage one percent of men actually get swept right

Bella (valarama TV)immature of men actually get lost in the online dating uh which is true uh so when it comes to online dating you have to work on your profile picture you have to actually work on your bio because

Brian Atlasthat's what you're based off um but if you if that doesn't work out then you should try IRL well I mean it depends what dating app but I mean the majority of them well like Tinder I think I think actually women are pickier when it comes to physical appearance than men

Bella (valarama TV)are yeah I'd agree again but but again when you actually have only the physical attraction to basis off of Base everything off of of course you're gonna choose that well but I mean that that

Brian Atlaskind of just reinforces that women women are even though you say women are more desirous of relationships well then they're wired do they continue to keep chasing after this like top five

Brian Atlastop ten percent of men on the dating apps because they believe they can settle them down so they can find that they can change them like exactly but even women know that like a lot of these guys are boys or whatever whatever

Bella (valarama TV)the term is you would hope so but I feel like a lot of um ladies especially at the young age might be a little immature might have a lacking experience when it comes to dating not really aware of uh what people really like well I think a

Julia Lynn Sandovallot personally being one of these people into the mic I think a lot of females don't realize that they're actually the emotionally unavailable one which is why they attract mostly unavailable men me

Julia Lynn Sandovalbeing one of the people who had to look myself in the mirror and be like wow why is this is weird why are things like this coming up and I'm like oh literally it's because I was the emotionally unavailable one because I was always like looking for the next

Julia Lynn Sandovalbest thing or looking for something else or intrigued and trying to go find something else and da da da so yeah so you're saying you were looking for something besides a relationship you're because as with an immature mindset

Julia Lynn Sandovalyou're constantly looking for the next best thing whether that's of yes whether it's like a financial means like can I do better I mean yeah I agree yeah instead of looking for a

Taylorperson that's going to fit perfectly with your life and that's why I got out of my five-year relationship is because I constantly I started looking for the next best thing even though like I had everything you know pretty much yeah and

Julia Lynn Sandovalso that is like an emotionally unavailable mindset it's an in La everyone's out here to advance in very superficial careers and you're constantly looking to find an opportunity to become the next best

TTS Readerthing so typically how you do one thing Bend to the offended nine dollars ladies what are your thoughts on women who use retroactive consent okay that's a doozy

Brian Atlasum basically okay what what is yeah how would you define it yeah I mean basically I think what he's getting at is a woman

Brian Atlasconsents and then later she regrets it either the guy was a jerk or uh there was some social Fallout from hooking up with the guy so she's trying to

Brian Atlasso she consented in the moment but then she regrets it or she wants she's vindictive because whatever the guy didn't want to keep seeing her whatever it may be um I mean Alcohol and Other Things yeah I was gonna say as long as she's sober

Sadieif she's consenting while she's sober then going back on that at that point yeah you can rip consent away while in the action absolutely if you say yes and then you don't like it and you say no they should stop but after you've

Sadiealready done it and then weeks years months go by and then you're like no they they did this and I didn't want it to happen

Julia Lynn Sandovalthe only factor that changes that is age that's it yeah because an immature if the brain is not fully developed yeah you want it if the brain is not fully developed if

Julia Lynn Sandovalit's a younger like let's say it's a young girl or something and there's an older man trying to basically hook up with her and she's just a vowel she's into it and your brain isn't fully what's that are you talking you're talking about an adult woman right no so

Brian Atlasthe brain typically develops when you say woman that doesn't matter adult it doesn't matter 18 and over so you're saying like a 19 year old who's dating like a 27 year old it doesn't matter I think whatever and I don't have the

Julia Lynn Sandovalexact age but there's 25 25 where yeah so women under 25 can't consent to sex no I think um I think that legally if they're still

Julia Lynn Sandovalum consenting to it legally if they feel let's say like years down the line they're like huh why am I feeling some sort of emotion around this interaction with this person I hooked up with this

Julia Lynn Sandovalperson why do I feel weird about it it feels yucky it's because typically when you're under the age of 25 your brain isn't fully developed therefore you may have felt a certain way in that moment

Julia Lynn Sandovalbut as you grow older and your mindset changes and you have a mature brain you can actually feel a different way well you can okay you can feel a different way but but it's legally still it's still legal like okay yeah you get what

Brian AtlasI'm saying but that's the only factor that I feel would change it yeah but I mean I mean you're making it about age but isn't it plausible that someone could hook up with someone and have been

Brian Atlastotally into it and then maybe they date for three months everything's totally chill but then there's some gnarly breakup and then you obviously regret having been involved with this person because they're really based on my own

Julia Lynn Sandovalexperience so I'll just be I'm very blunt so you did like a 70 year old so I was I was um I want to say 18 or 19 and I didn't have

Julia Lynn Sandovalsex with a person at all okay but I was still legal but the the person was 40s or something and we made out and stuff like that and okay I was completely fine I was like wow this is so great like at

Julia Lynn Sandovalthe time like he's so like and then years later I was like wow why am I like crying why am I crying around this situation why does it like feel yucky and feel weird and I'm like huh and I

Julia Lynn Sandovaldid research and I realized that the brain is fully whatever uh done developing at 25 and I'm like huh why am I feeling so emotional around this you

Julia Lynn Sandovalknow when I did consent to it and I did feel okay at the time but I do feel like I was taken advantage of and but this doesn't make sense because I was okay with it and so then I had to look at the facts and look at

Julia Lynn Sandovalscience and I'm like hmm maybe that's why so that's all I'm saying I'm not sitting here and saying that's correct or incorrect but I'm just kind of giving my experience okay but you see but

Brian Atlasyou've you years later felt uncomfortable by the situation correct okay I mean you're entitled to feel uncomfortable with with the situation down the road I

Brian Atlasmean where his question was very something very specific when it comes to retroactive I mean that'd be like uh you basically like down the road you were there was consent in the moment but like

Julia Lynn Sandovalfor whatever reason you retroactively okay anyways let's move but that's the same thing right well I mean I mean saying like because I don't feel like I do feel like in a sense I

Julia Lynn Sandovalwas taken advantage of because I was so you meet out with an older dude I was 18 years old and I was so young and this guy groomed me he knew what he was saying he knew what he needed to do to

Julia Lynn Sandovalmake me feel some type of way I do feel like I was groomed at 19 at 18 years old I do feel like I was groomed in a sense and because it doesn't make sense that I would feel so emotional about that

Julia Lynn Sandovalsituation like why but I mean grooming usually is like in in the context of like okay well let me chill like children let me let me help you understand this situation more I was getting into modeling he's a

Julia Lynn Sandovalphotographer okay he's very has a high status in that area so this is like casting couch so it's like well it's not porn no but there's like a cow like he took he abused his power in a sense but

Julia Lynn SandovalI consented so like I can't sit here and take it back because legally speaking it was it was legal right but I feel funky about it so what could be the common denominator or the factor that is is

Julia Lynn Sandovalcreating that I mean I suppose age maybe my brain's not fully developed and like so that's just a personal experience and I'm like because if you think about it what else would it be that's weird why am I feeling like

Brian Atlaswell I don't think I mean if he was it didn't fully consent like I wasn't in my I feel like it wasn't like well you consented right but like but but I think you're not wrong for feeling if he was

Brian Atlasusing the fact that he's this established photographer and he was perhaps misleading you like he was like oh come come hang out because I want to shoot with you and then he starts like hitting on you I think that's kind of

Julia Lynn Sandovalscummy but now at this age age though and like being and maybe it's not even but I don't know if you did that maybe it's not even an age thing but now looking back at it like I don't feel like

Julia Lynn SandovalI was the person I am today would have made that decision and so maybe it's age so you're thinking the age of consent should be increased um no I'm not trying to debate any of that I'm just telling you my personal

Julia Lynn Sandovalare you saying that women shouldn't vote until 25 wow Julia that's a really sexist I know I came here with that uh is it Bray I came here with that Beret but like I'm not on that team

Brian Atlasyo everybody in the chat say that Julia is a raging misogynist how dare you want to rage the uh age that women can vote at to uh 25. you should run as a

Brian Atlaspolitician and that's your platform women can only vote yeah okay um okay what Jesus okay that was an interesting one so we have something here from uh let's

Brian Atlassee uh wait doc vannabis can you read this one Elizabeth

Elizabethwould Brian have to convert to capitalism Ryan can you name three Catholic saints capitalism isn't it Catholicism it's okay I'll I'll excuse you okay

Brian AtlasI'll give you a pass can you you're gonna you're gonna make it three Catholic saints is this to me oh yeah this is to me three saint Petersburg

Brian AtlasSt Patrick Aunt Jemima I don't know um all right I'm not Catholic so okay we got nape snake good evening everyone

Brian Atlaslong time fans supporting the stream what's everyone take on adam22 oh good question from no jumper being a oh okay uh do you all agree he should have allowed his girl to do a scene with

Brian Atlasanother man lastly we need another protest troll picket sign video Eric can you Google the video actually I don't think we can show the video with with Alina and the dude coming into frame I don't think it's let me I'll look at it on my stream to see if it's kind of no I

Brian Atlasdon't think it's inappropriate it was on Twitter I mean you put inappropriate stuff on Twitter Lena hold on Twitter wait you know

Brian AtlasAdam twins okay so just to give the panel the context adam22 uh post of no jumper YouTuber Creator whatever uh he's married his they do like only fans him

Brian Atlasand his wife they do scenes with other women but they've never done a she's never done a scene with another guy at least while they've been together he

Brian Atlasallowed his now wife to do a scene a adult scene with another dude

Bella (valarama TV)hmm your thoughts on this I think the unique thing about it is he claimed that he didn't want her to do it originally and then right after marriage couple weeks after that she did it so I think

Victoriathat's the controversial thing about it yeah I mean it's for them to Define what their boundaries are in their relationships you know if as long as they're comfortable and they're happy and they feel like they're secure in the

Bella (valarama TV)relationship more power to them make your own choices don't let everybody else to find it for you yeah people change their opinions like Adam I'd have changed his opinion about who his wife can sleep with uh they obviously have an

Bella (valarama TV)open relationship they have a very specific podcast where you know they can sleep without people creating content those necessarily means you have an open relationship because you're that's part of your like job and down just a tab

Brian Atlasturn it down tilt it down no no just back pull it up there you go go ahead you're good you're good I don't think I don't think uh creating content means you have an open

Sadierelationship how would it not

Bella (valarama TV)but that's the whole thing about open relationships it's like you have a relationship with someone but then you can have sex with others it's more of a just just sex it's no feelings attached exactly right but then that's not that's not an open

Taylorrelationship no it's not like an open relationship I would say is you're having like um you're taking personality into account you know you're having feelings with other people as well like if I do

Victoriasomething with Taylor and me and it's just content it's just content I'm not in a relationship I don't call her my girlfriend I'm not like thinking about her in the middle of the night being like damn

Sadiemy boyfriend me and him monogamous but if there's another guy who's just like I'll pay 20 bucks to have sex with me I have sex with him that's that's cheating like there's different context

Julia Lynn Sandovalthey would have gone into a relationship already knowing each other's boundaries I'm sure careers and I'm sure there was much discussion with Elena and Adam they actually were pretty open about you know

Bella (valarama TV)Elena's actually saying that she's bisexual she's actually interested in girls so I think for them when they actually do content there's actually emotions and feelings involved and that would be for them to say I can't yeah I

Bella (valarama TV)don't think we can say that well they actually did I think speak about it on their podcasts and stuff like that so I think in their definition it would be technically considered an open I mean

Brian Atlasit's it's not surprising to me that Adam was okay with his wife doing that I mean Adam does he's in the adult correct uh

Brian Atlasthey're cool content business they both do that sort of content so I mean you you have to have to some degree fairly uh Progressive views on relationship

Brian AtlasDynamics um I don't have anything against Adam um his life his decision me personally I

Brian Atlaswould 100 not be okay with my wife like having sex with another dude right and that's that's 100 even further I don't care how much money you're gonna

Bella (valarama TV)make I don't care I'm not letting my wife would you want to do things with another girl though would you date a friendly

Brian Atlaswould you wife up a girl who has a laugh well I can be here's the thing I could be a monogamous but like I'm not going to sit here and lie and be like if if my wife was a hundred percent okay with me

Brian Atlasand she remained strictly loyal to me but if she was okay with me sleeping with other women I'm not going to sit here and lie and be like no I would never like like um I feel like majority of guys would

Brian Atlasprobably say that to be honest yeah I mean well I think a lot of guys might lie about that but um I think most men like if your wife would not leave you and would be totally okay with you

Brian Atlashaving like a uh what's the uh I'm thinking of The Sopranos from a uh what's the term for uh not your wife uh there's a specific term for it concubine no not Mysteries mistress thank you

Julia Lynn Sandovalmistress if your wife is okay with you having a mistress like yeah why not apparently I'm Tom Sandoval's mistress who the is that oh my God Raquel yeah yeah apparently yeah

Julia Lynn Sandovalno no no um never mind they're looking for a Julia and you guys speaking to Mike if you want people here we're looking for uh what what show is he even from the Vanderpump are you about is are you gonna do something to your dog right now

Brian Atlaswhy are you putting your hair in a ponytail oh I was just like feeling it oh okay because normally when someone puts a hair tie into their hair I'm like I don't care

Bella (valarama TV)wait it's okay hold on wait so were you gonna say something I was gonna say that something about consent and thing but then I think yeah we're talking about the Adam 22 things like would you actually date a women and

Brian Atlasthen potentially marry her if she were to do adult content yeah okay so I've I mean I've answered this before quite a few times um I'm starting to actually think about changing my answer to this sure I

Brian Atlaspreviously I said I'd be okay dating a girl who did of so long as she's never done with another content with other men that was my previous answer although after some recent experiences with uh

Brian Atlasdo you guys see that feather what the you see that little thing I did I did see um I I'm starting no offense to some of you guys here who do only fans but I there's

Brian Atlasbeen a TR a pattern of behavior from some of the only fans girls we've had on the show and you guys have been wonderful so far but uh I think I just would not I'm starting to

Brian Atlaslean towards like even if she she's never done anything with a guy before on camera I'm starting to lean towards I would not date a girl who has done only fans even if it was solo content my previous answer was if she's done solo content

Julia Lynn Sandovalnever done anything with a guy that's fine you're gonna provide the reasoning yeah because a lot of only fans girls are

Julia Lynn Sandovalvery rude one very very entitled to very um make so much money doing nothing that they have literally no sense of reality

Julia Lynn Sandovaland yeah just rude and based and so but like I know I'm not any of that at all and I haven't only fans and

Julia Lynn Sandovalwe've had very good interactions um yeah so I think not not trying to say like I don't know it's well you're done Julia I mean you you've done content with your now

Brian Atlasboyfriend so no I'm out oh that's over I just had to make sure I was out that was all it's done so for us but uh I was trying to friendzone you Brian friend zones good times good times um sorry so what was the question though

Brian Atlasso what's your reasoning she provided her reason about what's yours what would you why wouldn't you nowadays date an of girl what changed yeah so I mean well first off just kind of to touch on my previous answer there's obviously a

Brian Atlasspectrum right I mean you can be only fans there could be even no nudity it could be like lingerie correct uh so all the way to like bad dragons I don't know if you guys are

Brian Atlaslike bad Dragons It's like doing some like doing some like really uh kink related requests that might you know um not not that there's necessarily

Brian Atlasanything that I have anything against certain Kings but like that's a that's a that's more than taking tasteful lingerie photos

Brian Atlasum but I think it just I don't know I've had some some bad experiences recently with some only fans girls so it's left a bad taste in my

Brian Atlasmouth not romantic not romantic anything but just like on this show behavioral behavioral and I think that um like I'm not fashionable

Taylorunprofessional um and it's a value thing their value it's a little bit of a value I mean that should come down to the people though and not that they're of I kind of agree with that yeah I think it's the values

Julia Lynn Sandovalyeah yeah because there's some girls who are trust fund girls correlation doesn't equate to causation right and they haven't posted a taken a picture maybe even still be versions but yeah it's also a perception thing too and I yeah

Brian Atlasfor sure I mean what's become apparent to me is like in the same way that women have a lot of options and you know you're going to probably you're going to pick the best

Brian Atlasoption as a guy why if if you have options as a guy why pick a girl who does only fans versus a girl who does who doesn't because I don't think

Brian AtlasI don't think for most guys only fans is it can be in neutral but I don't think it's ever going to be like oh a girl has

Brian Atlasand only fans that's a pro now perhaps the money you make from it might be I think a lot of guys don't if I can be honest frankly don't care about a woman's income

TaylorI agree most men I don't care about that but I disagree about the fact that they don't care if a girl is an only fans I I dated this guy who really was really about it like he wanted to make content with me I never made content with him

Brian Atlasbut he wanted to make content well sure there's definitely guys out there that will certainly will and do date women who no he promoted it he promoted it to me like he's like let's do this like

Brian Atlasit's he was excited yeah sure but I I mean I mean that's also a low key way people try and get in like hey baby you want to collab and they have like one follower like well it's just it's just almost a question of

Brian Atlasof optimizing and I'm not trying to like this no it's being logical it's just optimizing your your potential partner so in the same way like everything being equal would you rather date a guy who makes a hundred thousand dollars or a

Brian Atlasguy who makes a million dollars everything being equal you're gonna pick the guy that makes a million dollars same way as would you rather date a woman who doesn't have any fans doesn't have her nudes unfortunately love and

Julia Lynn Sandovalfeelings are not logical and it's not based off of sure a factual thing um but I will say that being somebody who does have an only fans and being in

Julia Lynn Sandovala very healthy relationship um the pros of having it only fans I have become so much more in touch with my sexuality like my boyfriend is Beyond

Victoriain heaven with sex like for sure Beyond and Beyond in heaven with sex I also feel like it also too like makes you like more aware of other people's personal space and what people have like boundaries like

Victorialike you have to have that kind of communication with somebody in order to like create content with others and like you bring that to all your like relationships because you become like mentally aware of like so many things that you know

Bella (valarama TV)people are coming I don't necessarily think you have to do only fans to be aware of that but I see what you mean like it just because yeah I'm sure you definitely think about it yeah you see a different side of people um through of that you wouldn't see

Julia Lynn Sandovalotherwise like I have people who seem normal and they'll come into my chat and then they'll come to my only fans and it's like oh so you're like this all right but I will say that I have met a lot of only fans girls and I think you're got you're like if we were to

Julia Lynn Sandovalgroup it and like think of on average yeah I would not as a guy would not date the average stereotype of an only fans girl I would not either however I'm not most only fans girls yeah and my actions

Brian Atlasit's very like loud and clear yeah and I I don't think that every single like obviously there's there's some of girls that are Hustlers that are like gonna play dudes or they're gonna be

Brian Atlasthey might have certain uh dark Triad personality traits I don't think that's you could be like a super cool like even you know low body count girl with a

Brian Atlasonly fans I mean there's some girls who claim virgin only fans I mean it's sure I'm sure I'm sure it's the case but the first time I did put like uh like the first time anyone had ever seen a nude

Julia Lynn Sandovalphoto of me was on only but did you start out doing only fans first or did you do other things before you did I've done I've been the reason why I started it was because I needed to make enough money to move to Los Angeles

Victoriabut were you doing like content before then I think that makes a difference because like we're twitch streamers and then we progress from doing twitch to creating only fans content because the

Julia Lynn Sandovalaudience is there exactly so it's kind of different exactly yeah when you start out like just on the platform so I was like I need to monetize this and to be able to move and start the life right I think that's a little bit of the

Victoriadifference when there's somebody who just doesn't only fans and they're an only fans group right I'm not like oh my God I want to be on PornHub like I want to go like that's my goal in life it's not like you know not not a not a not a

Victoriadig at only fans girls in general but just like I think it's different when you're starting off being a content creator from a different platform and then transitioning yeah for sure I mean I think the other thing too is is that

Victoriaif you want to have children there's a concern there I don't so I mean if yeah yeah I mean I mean have you seen them meme about the girl saying like my kids can just cry in a Ferrari yeah

Taylorthe like true but like that's up I mean like I had this whole conversation with my aunt she's a private investigator oh hold on just a second to the offender donated 99 but

TTS Readerthink about some of girls is that they fail to consider that if they have a child they think it will not impact that child I mean I don't think that's a that's a fair take no we are aware that

Victoriathere's going to be consequences we'll have to face but you know we and we will face those consequences once I mean as humans that will actually come to be as humans but it's all make all kinds of choices good choices bad choices

Victoriaeverything like that everything is consequence yeah trying to say that because you're an only friends person that that's going to be the one thing that your kids just gonna like be like like hold on to yeah no like there could

Julia Lynn Sandovalbe an abusive home or like all kinds of things that could be so negative in their life like I don't think like you could just I think it's so funny though like honestly like how there's people who go out there and will sleep with

Julia Lynn Sandovallike 10 people in one night and then a girl will post like a nude photo yeah actually yeah do things behind closed doors

Victoriaexposing your child's that you're not like but sharing your social media with them and forcing them to look at your photos and everything like that it's just not gonna happen Okay men don't want either of those no but I'm actually thinking no but I know what you're

Brian Atlassaying I'm thinking about men but I'm not saying in regards to what men want well I know what you're saying like a girl who doesn't have only fans she could have like a sordid pass like super high body count and like meet a new guy

Brian Atlasand the guy might not be privy or aware of like how promiscuous she previously previously was whereas like he might compare that girl to a girl who does only fans who slept with one guy and be

Bella (valarama TV)like no no no to the only fans girls versus the girl who's like slept with 100 men like majority of your viewers will probably still value the girl who

Bella (valarama TV)doesn't have only fans as higher compared to a girl who has only fans wouldn't you agree I have a feeling that majority of your

Bella (valarama TV)viewers most likely will still value the girl who doesn't have only fans but me but has a hundred body count hello

Brian Atlasa lot of these viewers are keeping my lights on so I I I mean if the choice if the choice is between a girl who has a body count of a hundred and doesn't have only fans

Brian Atlasversus a girl who does have only fans but she's been with one guy that's a fight that's shitty either way but like I think I'd in that scenario if those are the only two options I have I

Julia Lynn Sandovalthink I'd prefer the go the girl with only fans 100 yeah but again that's a select amount of girls because majority of the girls how they are on only fans is what actually

Sadiewhat they are in real life and they're not just select choosing to be that girl with sure guy yeah but there are girls like that but I mean the difference between only fans though and just like

Sadiehaving sex is there's like I'm gonna say like a high number like 200 000 people that have seen your guys's like naked

Sadiebody and maybe only like the girl who has 100 pounds yeah 20 body count even like that's only 20 people but do you think there's a difference between somebody seeing you naked body versus

Taylorsomebody having an experience there's a difference but it's like they're you know there's actually supposed to say that like what's sacred one is a business woman and the other one is giving it out for free that's how I see it well

Julia Lynn Sandovalwhat's that sorry hold on one at a time go ahead there's also a lot of girls on only fans who don't like show certain parts of their body and are doing but I get what you're saying completely

Julia Lynn Sandovalum again it's just kind of like the whole like open relationship thing or whatever like they're doing it for work so it's really just a perception and a mindset thing and if I was a man honestly I'd probably be Brian's views

Julia Lynn Sandovalon it like I completely understand it however like like I said there's a select girl select percentage of girls who are not actually the only fans girl yeah but also everyone has this mindset like how

Tayloryou're saying that all girls like do the same shell and only fans or like they do porn like my homepage is not nude it's mostly just like lingerie cosplay it's perception though it's like it's a perception yeah that's that's weird if

Brian Atlasyou haven't only fans people are gonna just assume what it is I mean I think the other reason why I think men can be hesitant when it comes to only fans you are to some degree deriving validation from somebody else so or

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