30,000+ Body Count?! Should Men Marry PRØSTITUTES? | Dating Talk #100

Date: 2023-09-13

Duration: 5h 08m

Guests

CCaitlin Perry >

AAnnie Lobert >

AAir Force Amy >

AAmy Dangerfield >

CChase (DT118)>

AAndrew Golden >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS(audience)

SPEAKER_01Amy Dangerfield(guest)

SPEAKER_02Annie Lobert(guest)

SPEAKER_03Tryndallina(guest)

SPEAKER_04Gigi Dior(guest)

SPEAKER_05Wendy(guest)

SPEAKER_06Caitlin Perry(guest)

SPEAKER_07Air Force Amy(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Chase(guest)

SPEAKER_11Andrew Golden(guest)

SPEAKER_13Atlas(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteAndrew Golden's viral 'repent and believe the gospel' quote replayed

“Brian plays Andrew Golden's viral clip. Andrew explains the story: Christian street evangelism in Houston, random interaction outside Handlebar bar. Clip blew up globally, biggest in Portuguese.”

Key MomentAnnie Lobert describes attorney client who came to her in drag as a submissive

“Annie describes a high-powered attorney client who would come to her door dressed in his mother's clothing, on his knees with money in his teeth. Never touched him — 'all tools.'”

Key MomentAnnie Lobert: cocaine overdose and heart attack conversion story

“Annie describes overdosing on cocaine August 2, 2003, having a heart attack, clinging to EMT's hand, fading in and out of consciousness, and crying out to Jesus. Doctor said she should have been dead from drugs in her system.”

Key MomentChase discloses he broke 3-year celibacy vow on-air

“Brian reveals context that Chase was previously celibate for ~3 years. Chase admits on-air he 'fell into temptation' and is no longer celibate. Still with same woman. Andrew is 'disappointed.'”

ControversyUnidentified woman confronts Andrew about not knowing how to speak to sex workers

“SPEAKER_14 intervenes to tell Andrew and Chase they don't understand how to speak to women from the sex industry — that they won't receive religious messaging delivered that way. Gets emotionally upset defending Amy's background.”

Key MomentAnnie Lobert body count: ~100 personal not counting forced sex work

“Body count round: Annie clarifies ~100 personal (including during pimp relationships) but not counting forced sex acts. Shocked the panel.”

Key MomentAir Force Amy: body count 'only God knows' — over 1,000 work clients

“Air Force Amy declines to estimate personal body count, says 'only God knows' for work. Confirms over 1,000 work encounters over 30+ year career.”

Other100th episode champagne toast

“Super chat donor (Mr. Meatball) triggers champagne celebration. Panel toasts to 100th episode, Bunny Ranch, and Hookers for Jesus.”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship status round

Brian introduces panel of 9 guests. Each introduces name, age, occupation. Follow-up: current relationship status, longest relationship.

Annie Lobert: trafficking, conversion, and ministry

Annie Lobert shares escape from sex trafficking, two pimp partners, cocaine overdose in 2003, heart attack and conversion to Christianity. Founded Hookers for Jesus, runs Pink Chair safe houses. Met husband Oz Fox (Stryper) on MySpace.

Air Force Amy: legal prostitution career and background

Air Force Amy explains 30+ year legal brothel career at Bunny Ranch, Nevada. Explains Nevada brothel law, county restrictions, equity ownership of 4 brothels. Military background (Air Force, Nellis AFB). First relationship at 55+ via Match.com during COVID.

Should men marry prostitutes / sex workers

Debate on whether men should marry women with high body counts or sex work history. Chase and Andrew (Christian perspective) argue body count and sexual history matter. Annie and Air Force Amy push back. Discussion of redemption, repentance, and social judgment.

Religion vs sex work: Christianity debate

Extended debate between Andrew/Chase (Christian) and Air Force Amy/panel about whether prostitution is sinful. Air Force Amy challenges judgment. Annie Lobert mediates. SPEAKER_14 (unidentified woman) confronts Andrew about speaking to sex workers with empathy.

Borderline Personality Disorder panel discussion

Caitlin discloses BPD diagnosis and favorite person symptom. Gigi Dior discloses recent BPD diagnosis and dissociation during adult film work. Amy Dangerfield cautions against over-diagnosis culture. Andrew argues BPD/mental health issues are spiritual in origin.

Childhood trauma and entry into sex work

Panel discusses correlation between absent fathers, childhood trauma, and entry into sex work. Annie and Gigi share personal trauma backgrounds. Chase and Andrew argue father absence is root cause.

Body count: does it matter?

Panel discusses whether body count matters in relationships. Body counts revealed: Wendy ~5-6, Atlas ~9, Caitlin ~12, Gigi ~15, Annie ~100 (personal), Air Force Amy 1000+. Brian argues body count x3 heuristic from American Pie.

Going out to bars: relationship boundaries

Scenario: new boyfriend asks girlfriend to stop going to bars/clubs. Most guests say they would comply if in a committed relationship.

100th episode champagne celebration

Show wraps with champagne toast for 100th episode, donated by super chat. Brian thanks panel and Mr. Meatball for patronage.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasher away from plastic surgery not just for financial reasons but also anytime you undergo anesthesia right there are certain risks involved I'm sure I mean when you go and get your wisdom teeth

Brian Atlaspulled out they're gonna say hey you're getting anesthesia here are the potential risks um I think it's probably very low but there's always a risk of death whenever you go under anesthesia there's other sort of complications that can arise

Brian Atlasthere's certain Health consequences so it's not just Financial it's also just the potential health risks for my partner um so so do you want to know like how I justify it to myself I don't I mean it's

Brian Atlasor does it not matter I don't really care to be honest okay I was just wondering well okay really quick how do you how do you justify it it helps with your career it helps with

Atlasyour business yeah that's pretty much what I was gonna say like if I wasn't in this industry I don't think I would prioritize it as much but since I am and it makes me more money I I can use that

Gigi Dioras like adjusting good posture what I was telling her a good posture I've heard uh I've heard women can have autoimmune reactions from I did you did yes from my first set so I had first set

Gigi Dioryeah this is my third third and this is the only thing I've ever had done high maintenance uh Vindicated I'm just kidding but it's the only thing like I I've been very low maintenance otherwise

Gigi Diorwhat happened so my first set word is 21 years old I became allergic to over 50 of foods like vegetables spinach

Gigi Diorum bananas blueberries um I like who's allergic to a bunch of medications so I had them taken out um in 21.

Gigi Diorum then I had a complex so and then all my 2021 yeah 2021 I had them taken out so they were 21 years old at that point oh wow um I had breastfed four children with them and they were beaut they were

Gigi Diorstill in great shape I just um I was really sick I had them taken out I had another set put in I'm able to eat today everything I have I can eat peanut butter and jelly I can have bananas I

Gigi Diorhave no reactions to anything um during that time I had my first set I had my stomach ulcer perforate I had stomach ulcers I had an autoimmune condition with it I just stomach ulcer perforate and they removed over half of

Brian Atlasmy stomach from it holy smoke this is pretty much I mean almost making my argument though but like what's amazing to me though despite the serious complications that you had

Brian Atlaswith your first implants I mean it would occur to me that the pragmatic thing to do is okay maybe

Gigi Dioryou know what I mean no correct and they I had that conversation with myself and then I think that these were more worth it than your health then well my second

Gigi Diorset actually I got better so it was well you can get better because of the second set no you're not better no I get that I get that I got better because I got the first set taken out the magical dealings

Gigi Diorbig titties yeah I got a big titties so I'm all better now no that's not what I meant but then um I had a complication with the second set where they shifted

Gigi Diorso what do you mean shifted what is that shifted so this this implant

Gigi Diorcontraction oh yes and then shifted into my armpits when I would like Flex or do anything it would completely just like if you did a double bicep I would

Gigi Diorthat just like drive you nuts it did it did painful so I went to the bank I did tons and tons of research I went to the very very

Gigi Diorbest and that's where I'm at now I don't intend to keep them after I'm done working so that's where I'm at did you wait did you change did you did you

Gigi Diorchange the material yeah what was the material in the first so I went with I had silicone the first time and then would you go so I went with um Saline and no other way around I'm sorry I started with saline and I went to the

Gigi Diorgel um gummy bears because they're they're they're they're like a Gummy Bear they feel more and they have um they have a less um risk of rupturing and the gummy bear

Atlasyeah they're incredible I was gonna also did you say yours came from your belly fat how does that work so I actually had gummy bear implants and fats to the breasts okay

Brian Atlasword word word uh what's that isn't there some quote or saying like what people will do for beauty or I don't know what it is pain is beauty pain is beauty I guess all

Air Force Amyalong though like my grandmother had ribs taken out for to get like a 25 day yeah yeah that's a yeah

Brian Atlaslady for the women here who haven't had fake don't have fake titties have any of you considered getting some fake titties

Andrew Goldenno Wendy it's never crossed your mind okay all right good across the mind I think small titties are in son if I hadn't Andrew you meet a fantastic

Andrew GoldenChristian woman she's super bass loves the Lord she has fake boobs yes or no no problemo no problem

Brian Atlasnot done it at all okay all right there you have it folks all right we have let me just see if we have any chats here we have nope we have nope okay I have the couple oh Atlas

Brian Atlasso your boyfriend you move really fast you have his gamer tag tattooed on you is that right yes I did do that can we no way you can't see it wait is this a guy where is it where is it it's below

Andrew Goldenmy butt cheek this is the guy you were with for just a month like on the leg the on the quad wait wait wait you got a tattoo for with the guy that you were with for a month yes I did do that Atlas

Gigi Diorwhy did you do that I was in your corner were you in love

Atlasfor you um no he didn't I was being Reckless okay I was being Reckless and I was just doing something that I thought was really spontaneous and fun and like

Atlasalmost like jumping out of an airplane and I knew honestly it didn't work out I could easily get it removed it's just a little gamer tag it's not like a big [ __ ] portrait you know so who pitched

Atlasit is it yeah he did how did he pitch it how did he pitch it um he took he just kept screwing around being like let's go get our names tattooed on each other let's go get our names tattooed on each other and that's a red flag in the

Atlasfirst time I was like bet I'll do it wait Did he got he got your name tattooed no he didn't end up doing it oh he did not but you put his gamer tag yeah yes yes I did and he's a really bad

Atlaslike twitch streamer so does he have a big following no he has like 11 people following us so until today and he texts me all the

Brian Atlastime and I am not answering your text dude like stop so you haven't yet gotten rid of it not yet why not what is the gamer tag is it like XX bloodraven 420

AtlasBlaze It it's like fnf underscore oh wait loser actually no but I didn't want to give him a shout out after yeah yeah yeah

AtlasI'm just kidding that's a little bit harsh but yeah so is it though is it though I mean a month and he crash on your couch just playing video games all day and he like kind of low-key talked hella [ __ ] about me on Twitter for no

Brian Atlasreason like about how I didn't have a microwave like like that's a bad thing staying at your house for free he has no room to talk actually though honestly if I was in his position and I was like a

Brian Atlasjust a total bomb playing video games and some chick wave I'd be like [ __ ] this chick bro you don't have a [ __ ] mind yeah

Atlasthe way he ate and the way I ate was completely how dare you and that doesn't microwave that's way better I was trying to I I actually yeah it

Brian Atlasmakes it so serious you you actually owe him an apology that was the that was the start of all your relationship conflict was you didn't have a [ __ ] microwave the issue was he said that he doesn't

Brian Atlaslike fast food and ate fast food every day you need to do some soul searching you need to look within and see about what you did wrong in that relationship either

Brian Atlasand so I got a TV because he's like on the TV I'm just kidding guys okay um so that's a ground you got this tattoo of him

Atlasum Chase you're right Andrew you meet a girl she has a tattoo with her ex's name on her if I was going to be dating it would be removed but I'm

Andrew Goldennot dating is it a deal breaker for you chase bro I wouldn't I wouldn't even consider moving the relationship forward it's it's done tattoo of her ex name and it's like right below her butt too what do you

Atlasmean you don't know if you don't know what her butt looks like what if it was gone yeah [Music]

Atlasit would have already been gone like if I was gonna be start seeing people I would get that taken off I'm just not doing that right now so it hasn't been a

Andrew Goldenpriority but it's not a problem it's gone Roger that okay let's propose a hypothetical okay Andrew you marry a girl oh man you go to do the deed on your

Andrew Goldenwedding night right underneath her butt cheek you see Scott's property tattooed underneath okay that's a little extreme what do you do I don't know what I do

Chasebut how much would that be definitely something to think about uh for me to tattoo that yeah yeah I mean if we're already married throw a number no it's a lot to just break it off just over a tattoo but well I mean you wouldn't be

Andrew Goldenable to break it off it's it's you're you're married I don't think it's grounds for divorce yeah okay how do you approach that conversation it's like yo can you get it removed that's that's a that solution be like yeah it's still

Brian Atlasnot ideal I think I think definitely Andrew I need you every woman you're considering courting you gotta ask what the tattoo situation is add it to your app you gotta add it to your application yeah but so Chase do you think that's that's kind of like an

Andrew Goldenalpha Widow situation like okay she's got the X's name tattooed on her it's like bro a thousand a thousand percent he's gonna come back in the picture like how would you feel if you met some great guy or great guy great girl and uh you

Brian Atlaslike go to hook up with her and then you see Tate tattooed right there underneath her tits yes how would you feel [ __ ] terrible yeah bro I feel like he was

Andrew Golden[ __ ] her at the same time yeah I mean dude like he was there in the room yeah I I just like I I would be able to have zero tolerance for it man like as a man I'm so territorial over my woman there's no way that she could be branded by

Brian Atlasanother man question on this related to what Chase just said and this is for those of you who are a little more you might want to just plug your ears okay if

Brian Atlassomeone was having sex with you doggy style is the tattoo visible absolutely oh that

Brian Atlasstings oh it stinks it is oh that stings oh it hurts it hurts the best way to see it you were gonna see it it's a sign it

Unknowndoesn't matter it's a gamertags a dude a dude he doesn't know what it is

Andrew Goldenimmediately you would ask yourself what's this gamer tag you're not gonna be like you're not gonna be like oh that's chill for there to be there there's no story in the background no other tattoos I could see your argument

Andrew Goldenwhat she has other tattoos so is he gonna sit there and dissect her entire body okay it's if hypothetically I I was hooking up with the girl and I saw a gamer tag underneath her butt cheek

Tryndallinaimmediately I'd be like yo what is that do you feel a kind of way about it like would you take it off oh my gosh it's coming off yeah so then yeah we already know the answer then it's yeah and if I

Atlaswas at a place in my life right now where I was down to like [ __ ] someone it would be gone I would have it gone already a year ago have you been with a guy

Atlasbiblically speaking not even a kiss nothing no sex stop the cap I'm not happy come on Atlas I swear to God I swear on my family on

Atlaseverything I have not been without I haven't even killed the lord's name inside please I haven't even kissed someone yes this girl who wanted to do a tick tock that it was like two best

Atlasfriends in a room who might kiss and she pecked me and I was like girl I haven't kissed anyone in like a year and she's like I feel special yeah I don't leave my house okay if I'm having sex with a girl

Atlasand I dude I wouldn't even be able to get it up like if seeing another guy's brand there no way I think that all of that's fair yeah you guys can ask me I don't get I don't get

Atlasoffended easily you guys are totally fine like you can I still don't think you don't no but if if you were like no I'm not gonna get it removed like there's yes what

Annie Lobertoh [ __ ]

Andrew Goldenwhat if she's a new creature in Christ if she's a new creature in Christ why does she ever ask his name tattooed on her body pre-christ what it was pre-christ that was pre-christ I still if it's there

Andrew Goldeneven even if it was removed but I found out about it Church donations to remove the attacks why would you do that so then you might as well end it yeah I mean yeah yeah I think you should pray I'm saying if that if I married a woman

Atlasand that happened like I just I have no idea how I would be able to process it I low-key wish I could remove all of myself

TTSdonated 200 yeah thank you so much episodes keep it up man next Target one thousand let's go just woke up and joined and

Brian Atlaswhat a topic to hear waking up anyway congratulations again for the guests hello and you all should dance if I ever make it to a thousand episodes of this show that is the last [ __ ] there's no

Brian AtlasI don't know if I can do a thousand [ __ ] episodes of the show but hey thank you very much man much appreciated very good to see you in the chat that's the homie swordless thank you so much man appreciate your patronage we have this one from Chase Simmons Chase I'm

Brian Atlascurrently struggling with my beliefs in the Lord I get atheists telling me the Lord is a sadist for allowing suffering and I come from a small town in Wisconsin where most girls aren't really Christians so I struggle on The Dating

Andrew Goldenfront if you can just address it but if you can try to keep it brief I mean brother this is a problem many many men and women are struggling with finding uh

Andrew Goldenother equally yoked members of the opposite sex Goa what what is the app that just came out I think it's called dating Reddit no the court there's the courtship app I

Andrew Goldenthink I think the upward yeah there's upward there's the courtship I don't know dude I'm not good with all the dating apps um

AtlasI'm not the guy to ask you I'm sorry bro ask about the apps like what is up with the dating apps though because I did Loki try to get onto some just to see like what was up with it and I don't know if it's just the area I live in but

Atlasit looked like a lot of the dudes were like just like no offense like druggies or something where do you live should I say that actually what's the state Washington

AtlasI don't know if I should say because I think a lot of the guys look like druggies I mean truth on the app yeah especially the whole state the whole what what apps are you on I tried it so I um I think I tried Tinder and uh one

Andrew Goldenother one that I forgot the name of there's Bumble hinge yeah maybe like hinge or something coffee means uh well you're gonna you're gonna get a lot of the lowest quality dudes you have to really like commit to it and go

Andrew Goldenthrough before you find it well the thing is so so like I was like think think about the psychology of using a dating app like something like Tinder most of the dudes that are going on Tinder just want to find a girl to hook up with so if you're looking for like a

TTSserious guy if you're looking through that dating pool it's just gonna be dudes that want to hook up hold on just a second every guy she hooks up goes home types in the game of

TTSdragons anyway as an entire friend group because of that one tat now so okay here I'll trigger it one more time

Brian Atlasit's actually going to take a while that was good um so the guys you hook up with they see the gamer tag they add the gamer tag they go play Call of Duty together and now there's a whole friend group of all the men you've hooked up with that's

TTSjust like that's just like this we're now friends again that would be cute for him

Atlasthen you go in there I Found You for Life friends good times good times um

Andrew Goldenuh yeah I'm curious uh the dudes have been asking you ladies questions all night long do you guys have any questions for the dudes um why why would a guy not be interested

Atlasin dating somebody who does the kind of work that we do if they okay let's say you meet a girl and you do you genuinely like her her personality and then you find out that she does that and then

Atlasmaybe she doesn't meet The Stereotype that you've given that a girl to be in that kind of career like would you still just call it off because of what she does or would you be interested into like

Andrew Goldenyeah it's gonna it's gonna vary from guy to guy like I know that there's definitely guys that wouldn't care that much uh there's some guys that actually push their women into doing like online sex work and whatnot I can only speak

Andrew Goldenfor me personally like if I was talking to a girl and I found out she did that it would be very I wouldn't be able to stomach it because like I was telling her like I'm a very territorial man when it comes to my like

Andrew GoldenI don't want to share my woman with anyone you know like I don't I don't want guys knowing what her body looks like in terms of like what she looks like underneath her clothes what she looks like naked anything like that like I want that to be reserved for me and me

Andrew Goldenalone and I want that to be a special thing that we share with one another that's one aspect of the psychology the other aspect of it is I don't want my kids mother all I don't want her body all over the Internet you you know I don't want my kids to have to

Andrew Goldenpotentially deal with that someday because I read stories about kids who do get bullied at school for it and they end up killing themselves and it's it's just there's way too many liabilities there for me personally to deal with does that make sense yeah yeah yeah I

Chasemean I also have a question for you guys hold on yeah it's just awesome it's just not right um she's gonna be pulling me in the other direction I'm trying to serve Christ I'm trying to serve God and she's running the complete

Chaseopposite direction he brought up the equally yoked phrase earlier he's talking about that yoked he's talking about a yoke you know how oxens are yoked together with this bar that goes across her neck well

Chaseunequally yoked would be two separate animals barred together it just doesn't make sense to plow grain with two separate animals that's what it's like being a Believer with an unbeliever just

Andrew Goldentwo separate species essentially just does not make sense for me as a Believer to be with an unbeliever yeah to bring it back to how I answered your question too does my explanation about the

Atlasterritorialness and not wanting to share a woman makes oh absolutely do you feel like that's fair and Justified I think that's fair I think sounds like somebody's hit a car yeah

Andrew Goldenpeople drive by and try to make noises because they know the show's going on no way yeah happens all the time people will wait for the show to start and then they'll like rev their engine down below

Atlasfunny but so that makes sense to you no it totally makes sense and that's why I kind of just wrote off that I would even find somebody that and being anything serious until I was done doing it and

Andrew Goldennot because I think that that's necessarily right I've just accepted just accepted that I think I mean you might find a guy who has tolerance for it I don't know I have a lot of um

Gigi Diorsay that that they would like to date me knowing what I do but then once they're with me would want me to quit and I think that that's kind of

Gigi Diorhypocritical it's like wait you found me like like this and now you want it to like I just I think it's I think you might feel it I think you might feel

Andrew Goldenit's hypocritical but I would argue it's actually a good impulse it's a protective impulse that a man has towards his woman right wait what did I miss what what is hypocritical she was saying that guys

Gigi Diorwill tell her her fans will tell her from from online that they they want to date her but once they have her they would want her to stop her online and then they have I I have a lot of like

Gigi Diorreading like they want to like put a baby like I get a lot of that where they want they're like oh I want you to have my baby I want you to have my baby like so they want yeah they want to like take it off the market does that make sense

Gigi Diorokay it's just it's just weird to me that you found me in this website and now you're trying to take it out of the game let me ask you this what man would want his

Andrew Goldenwoman still on the market well if she's no that is

Gigi Diorno that's true but I don't technically like I don't see because I'm not I'm not dating those people does that make sense like I'm not dating the people that are coming into my chat rooms and I'm not dating those people those are not the

Gigi Diorclientele for a lack of another term like that's not those are not my possible suitors yeah I just think it's interesting that they well perhaps one way to address the whole hypocrisy thing is prior to dating

Brian Atlashe had no problem with you engaging in what he considered single Behavior but once they started dating he wanted her or you to act in a way that he thought

Brian Atlaswas consistent with being in a relationship so for example I mean we a guy might if you're single we might not necessarily object to you going to bars clubs partying posting

Brian Atlasprovocative photos but if we're in a relationship with you uh if a guy might want to rein in some of those behaviors that are kind of you're still advertising understood yeah and then would that make sense that makes

Brian Atlassense no totally I say that women go to bars and nightclubs for the you're gonna if you want commitment from me you can't go to the bar and Club also building off what he said again uh that Connell like need and desire for

Amy Dangerfieldsex that guys have programmed into them like of course off the bat that's going to make them really attracted to women in that line of work they're like great sex like I can right get sex all the time but I think what he's saying like it's a good thing when he starts to feel

Amy Dangerfieldthat way because he's starting to see you as something more than just that what he cares about you that's when he's going to want to start putting those restrictions into place so that makes sense it's honestly a good thing I I would also it's funny to how this

Andrew Goldenconversation has gone I would also add that protectiveness if you were to comply with that and be like yeah I'll take like that's what a guy who's going to want to commit to you yeah is going

Atlasto want from you okay and I think if he's a good guy and he's asking for that and in your your career is that so you you live off of it that if he's a good guy and that's what you guys want to do

Atlasin the next part of your relationship he will help guide you and figure out how you can do that transition so you don't have to lose everything in suffering 100 that's good leadership right here's one of the things things though that I think

Brian Atlasa lot of women who are involved in sex work or stripping or doing only fans uh or just traditional adult content is they make a lot of money so I think

Brian Atlasthere's that one chick that made like 70 grand a month oh we've had a lot of girls on the show there oh there's more make six figures a month and so I I think the attitude at least from what I've interviewed from tons of these

Brian Atlasgirls that have come on the show is well I would stop if they were to Contin if they were really rich guys who could provide money exactly maintain the lifestyle but

Brian Atlasthat's such a small portion of men that can make sure you see that amount of money and so it's like that's intimidating the guys in and of itself making that kind of money

Gigi Diorbut to some guys it's intimidating for like for the female turn off right yeah I don't find it attractive if a woman makes a ton of money but like think about what it could do for your Dynasty

Andrew GoldenChase like and assuming it's not for yourself think about it think about what it could do to your relationship Dynamic if your woman's making 20 times more money than you are like bro she's

Andrew Goldenwearing the pants that's my money now that screws up the power Dynamic a lot like I'm not interested in that to that point the other day when people asked me what I was looking for in a man and I said like I want someone to earn you

Amy Dangerfieldknow more money than me and I named that figure like a lot of people were like oh like hypergamous she's only off to the money but it's literally based off what you said I know that if I'm not with a man who's gonna make more money than me it's gonna completely switch the

Andrew GoldenDynamics in the relationship oh yeah what if she's just super submissive Chase but she just but she's a bulldog but she's got some Investments or some [ __ ] you know what I mean I mean I mean

Andrew Goldendude like there's definitely a way to make it works if she comes to you and she's like hey I'm like really rich but I want to put you in charge of the money it's like

Gigi Diorokay well that's that's a different story it's a lot of trust yeah let's go not a prenup um last thing from you Atlas in your pre-show notes to us you said I guess

Atlasone of my hot takes is asking people's body count is immature yeah okay and so I don't even have a high body count but like I have friends sorry sorry sorry

Atlaswell maybe I do actually maybe I do to like um certain people or something like that okay um but I just I don't know I because I watch a lot of dating podcasts of

Atlasit seems to be like quite a bit older people than like you um and there and their their take on stuff like that

AtlasI kind of think is true like it seems like people who are older and more mature aren't really having those conversations and maybe it's because the the woman or the man is not giving the

Brian Atlasvibe that they're sketchy promiscuous you know so we don't need to talk about your exes grew up during the sexual Revolution and

Brian Atlasthey're all degenerate [ __ ] I'm kidding I'm kidding the two guys that I watch I think they're like in their mid-40s this was before the HIV

Atlasokay wait was it hold on they're like in their mid 40s I think I think I listed their names on my application of the people I listen to um he's like I don't want to give them

Atlasfree publicity but um yeah I just feel like depending on how that come conversation comes up okay I think there's a certain way it could come up like kind of when I was like questioning him on it the way he explained it I can

Andrew Goldenget it but I think the way it typically tends to come up is just kind of like I don't know I don't know how to explain it why do you feel like it's not like an appropriate question to

Andrew Goldenask I know it's it depends on it depends on context do you think it's do you think it's fair for a man to care about that I do I think I but I also not to in a

Atlascertain extent so right so it's like to what extent do you think it's fair if you're worried that they are so promiscuous that they can maybe have an addiction they could cheat on you or

Atlasmaybe they have an STD okay that sounds like some great reasons so I think those are great reasons but what degree do you think it's not fair for romanticare um so what do you agree do I think it's

Atlasnot fair for men to care if you don't give off any of those vibes like you guys have a really good relationship you're not scandalous he knows you're not promiscuous maybe he knows that you've been checked and you are clean

Andrew Goldenit's like why it doesn't matter I'll tell you why it matters if a woman has a body count of 50 for example and I find that out I'm going to be asking is that where the high starts like where where's the oh it's lower than that yeah

Andrew Goldenokay like for me once once it starts getting into double digits for me like I'm gonna start asking questions like okay like you know tell me about your past right if if she starts getting to

Andrew Goldenlike 15 20 30 like past 20 it's like okay what like I want to take a close look at it what's actually happened here especially the younger a woman is because if a person has a series of

Andrew Goldenfailed relationships over and over again especially a woman there could be a lot of things that happen there it's like okay what were you doing were you doing one night stands for like a few years constantly getting railed by guys at

Atlasbars please ask what's up so did it come up in conversation with you and your girlfriend and if so like how did it come up then it did and I asked her but

Andrew Goldenout of respect for her I don't want to say anything more about that conversation but yeah I did like I asked her just very frankly and it was like initially she was like whoa like why are you asking me that yeah and then and then what did you say

Andrew Goldenonce once like we started to know that like we were interested in one another and it was like Mutual like there was a mutual understanding then I asked and what was your reasoning though because she was like she was thrown off right

Atlasshe was like whoa where's this coming from and you were like well this is why I want to know like what was your like this is why I want to know it's a great question basically exactly what I'm describing to

Andrew Goldenyou so and I'll I'll add some context there's a lot of data on the number of pre-marital sexual partners somebody's had and what their likelihood of divorce is in marriage

Andrew Goldenand that was your idea like going in you're like I want to know yeah that's what's the main reason once I saw the data on like body count and the number of Partners either a man or a woman has had I was like yo this is an important

Andrew Goldenthing because my parents got divorced and I want to do everything I possibly can to minimize the chances of ever getting divorced to my partner like it's it's the worst thing that you can ever

Andrew Goldengo through in marriage obviously um and so it's like there's there's a lot of different factors that go into divorce maybe one person is really bad at listening to the other uh maybe one

Andrew Goldenperson is like lazy whatever but the number of premarital sexual partners somebody's had there's it's like a direct correlation the higher that number the higher the chances of divorce

Andrew Goldenso to give you an example a virgin on average has less than five percent chance of getting divorced somebody with more than 10 sexual partners on average 50 chance of getting divorced that's a

Andrew Goldenbig deal that's a bit and this is for both sexes that's a big deal so if you're somebody who really cares about marriage and you don't want to get divorced especially as a man because men get absolutely screwed in divorce you

Andrew Goldenwant to ask those questions and so I was very upfront with her I was like this is this is what I'm I'm optimizing for marriage this is why I care and it's like there's there's different reasons other than that why it matters it's like if

Andrew Goldensomebody was a serial monogamist for example that's different than if they were cheating on their ex-partner which is different than if they were getting railed at bars all the time like there's you want to know about the person's

Andrew Goldenpsychology and when you have that that conversation you can you can gain insight into like who are you how do you approach relationships and if you care about marriage you can gain valuable information there Annie it looked like

Annie Lobertyou had some something to say because I must be yeah I must be an anomaly because my husband never asked that question well most most guys in your generation don't like it's it's kind of like an our

Annie LobertGeneration thing so here's the thing though Rahab was related to Jesus Christ so is Tamar

Annie Lobertoh they had some bad mojo before they were with their husbands so um okay if you're gonna truly be christ-like and I'm not trying to put you on the spot I'm not trying to

Annie Lobertdisrespect you I don't know that's not gonna matter because that person if you love them that what they've done before does not matter so it doesn't matter

Brian Atlasit's just not fair it's not fair that's all I'm saying okay what do you mean it's not fair hold on hold on wait wait wait let me say whatever it's not fair the life's unfair the world's unfair

Annie Lobertwomen curve short dudes because they're short Brian you get a pass because you're not these two dudes wait what do you mean no so here's the thing okay so you guys are Christ followers you're saying they're supposed to have Grace for for women in all areas because we're

Annie LobertChristian doesn't mean we have to marry prostitutes I'm not telling you guys to do that but everyone can have you know what Rahab was Redeemed by by a spy I just I just preached on this at a church on Sunday

Annie Lobertshe was Redeemed by a spy that cared enough for her when the when the walls came down to Jericho to take her out of that lifestyle but isn't that the exception to the rule and when you look at your lifestyle even you say maybe I'm

Annie Lobertthe exception yes girl you all the exception look at the um I want him to expand his mind and not be so judgmental all right fully expanded I will not be a

Andrew Goldenprostitute I'm not saying that they're still doing it please respond to everything that you just said okay there is room for christ-like love and

Andrew Goldenthere there is also room for wisdom and discernment in terms of who you are entering a marital contract into okay you can forgive someone for their past someone can have a past that doesn't mean that you're obligated

Andrew Goldento marry them okay so if I'm having a conversation with a woman and she has a past but she regrets her past and she's repentant of it let's say you know maybe

Andrew Goldenshe had like a bad pattern in her past maybe she you know was looking for love in all the wrong places something like that and she developed a habit of sleeping with men

Andrew Goldentoo easily or or something like that that is something that a person can learn from and there's also absolutely room for christ-like forgiveness for something like that there's no question you know everybody can be made new again

Andrew Goldenin Christ okay why I would care those still as a man is because I want to know what happened there because if I'm going to get married to you

Andrew Goldenunless we're signing a prenup or something like that like I need to know who are you how do you approach relationships I can have forgiveness for your past but how do you approach relationships because here in America

Andrew Goldenwe've got no fault divorce is there something there that might lead you one day to just decide you want to divorce me and absolutely screw me and take my kids and half my income and everything like that

Andrew Goldenis there something that could be lurking there because if there is I want to know about it you know I'm not obligated to marry a woman with a past if I'm entering into a contract with somebody I want to know who I'm entering into that

Air Force Amycontract with but you can still you can still love them and forgive them what'd you say you don't have to be a prostitute to do that and divorce someone and take all their money okay there's plenty exactly do that yes yes there are there are which is and and

Andrew Goldenmost most people nowadays are not prudent about who they marry most marriages end in divorce a lot of people just get up in their feelings and they fall in love with somebody and they don't have the really hard conversations they don't ask the really tough

Andrew Goldenquestions both men and women a lot of women don't vet men properly for their red flags a lot of women end up with men who are abusive yeah a man could have had an abusive past a man could have

Andrew Goldenbeen a murderer it's a woman's job to see if that was the case because if he wasn't murderer she can forgive him and have christ-like love for him but is she still obligated to marry him would it be a good idea no I'm not saying that I'm just saying

Annie Lobertyou just have to open your mind because what if there is a person that you meet and I'm going to pray that for you by the way I'm going to pray for him a woman that's so he can't handle the attraction he has

Chaseand it's so strong that it's actually spiritual too and he's like compelled to marry her we're not just so we're not against the Christian marriage I'm just I'm just saying Hosea Hosea gets a

Unknowndirector that's the Redemption that's what we're that's what Christ did for the church go ahead go ahead yeah beautiful and I cry for this because there is so many women out there and I'm gonna cry for them that

Atlasyou're not owed a relationship you're not I know but still but that's why Christ came so we can always I guess that's why maybe it could kind of fight for the girls

Unknownthat's that's fair that's fair and I respect that I respect that I know their hearts wait Annie I wanna they'll give their shirt off their

Unknownoffice trust me and that's why they might be great people but but yes Brian can I say something really quick let me get in on the emotion a little bit because you know what I'm

Andrew Goldenplease Annie please listen please listen no you're not wrong for crying I Annie I love the heart that you have for these women and and I love the fact that you are a voice for these women you listening yeah I love the fact that you're a voice

Andrew Goldenfor these women because I I can't imagine you know your guys's lives and everything that you've been through like I think it's very valuable that you're speaking up on their behalf okay now just just like you're a voice for

Andrew Goldenthose women what I'm trying to do is be a voice for men and we live in a world where a lot of bad women screw over a lot of good men and I understand that I totally get the Jezebels I get it I I

Andrew Goldenrespect that part I don't want you guys to get hurt too but we gotta give each other a chance some there's no point there's no question we we've got to give each other christ-like chances but it's

Andrew Goldenalso important to be just for both sexes to be Discerning about who they're getting into relationships with because there's a lot of broken families out there and a lot of broken marriages and I want to try and prevent that Andy can I ask you a question would you object to

Andrew Goldena woman not wanting to date a man who's shorter than her that's totally different subjects no it is not Annie no it is well just put can you answer the question can you

Brian Atlasanswer the question though would you object would you object to a woman not wanting to date a man who's shorter than her he's saying preference I've dated men shorter than me would you okay let's

Andrew Goldenlet's say Atlas is like I don't want to date men unless they're under over six feet tall would you say that's wrong or is she justified in that I mean this has nothing to do with the city it has

Andrew Goldeneverything to do I mean issue for me it doesn't for you it has muscles it's on okay so basically what you're saying what you're saying is it's not okay for us to have preferences but it's okay for

Annie Lobertwomen to have preferences that's what you're telling me I want someone to buy the champagne this is all got to do with Redemption and sexuality and mistakes being made somebody you you were born

Andrew Goldenshort that's not your fault right but choosing to people people can make mistakes in their life but they can also choose to continually do wrong and that is their fault if somebody chooses

Andrew Goldento keep doing the wrong thing that is their fault if a woman if a woman decides I want to go have sex with 50 minute bars over the next 10 years obviously no woman's consciously thinking that but if she makes the

Air Force Amychoice continually to do that that's her choice she made that choice basically I'm not tricking anybody though I'm not tricking anyone into marriage I'm not tricking anyone into divorce I'm putting them I'm putting the

Air Force Amyprice out and you know it's up front and guaranteed I give you what you pay for and if they want it they want it is that what you're saying if they want it you got it there's no truth

Brian Atlasbut this is this is just honest it's not a contract for relationship okay this is the thing though is that when men have preferences standards and boundaries for example not wanting to

Brian Atlasdate a woman who's has a promiscuous past not wanting to date a woman who was engaged in sex work in her past or currently it's I mean to me it's shocking that it's

Tryndallinasomehow that you can objects I just feel like you shouldn't have to explain it yeah I understand no no let me finish let me finish people always have issues with male

Brian Atlasstandards male preferences male boundaries but nobody bats an eye when a woman says I want XYZ in a partner women are allowed to have preferences standards and boundaries men aren't if a woman says I want to date a guy who's

Brian Atlastall cool if a guy says I don't want to date a woman who's overweight whoa that's you're fat shaming that's body shaming you're discriminating right men's preferences are discriminatory

Brian Atlaswomen's preferences are preferences it happens to be the case that men care about a woman's past or promiscuity so it's literally just like literally like

Andrew Goldenthe equivalence this is like this conversation is like the equivalent of saying uh okay so a man's like yeah I don't want a woman who's a prostitute this is basically the

Andrew Goldensame as if a woman was like I don't want a guy who has gotten drunk and beaten up his girlfriends in the past you could have Grace for uh a man's past but if you as a woman don't want to be with a guy who's beaten women in the past

Air Force Amythat's your choice and you're justified in that I don't care if a man doesn't want a woman that was a prostitute I don't care that doesn't bother me and he does it doesn't bother me what it bothers me

Air Force Amyis that we pass judgment on women for sleeping with a lot of men but women don't get to pass that judgment on men women absolutely get to pass that job right absolutely get to pass that judgment both men and women can both men

Air Force Amyand women make judgment calls about potential partners and you know what this makes the world go around I'm sure you like that makes the world the girls at the at the Bunny Ranch

Brian Atlasevery single day on race color size so you'll date anybody you have no there's no discernment at all to figure out how to date hello

Brian Atlasokay all right okay uh we don't know what we're doing here we're gonna um we're gonna wrap up here pretty soon

Air Force Amyyou guys why do you think everyone is just not your preference well you're saying you can love a prostitute without marrying her okay okay that's the point we don't want you to marry us

Atlasokay with it she still deserves love and marriage if if so yeah if a guy wants if a guy's okay yeah it's just the guy's okay or not well I but I'm I think we're also saying

Amy Dangerfieldhere most men are also probably going to have an issue with it not even religious guys I think it's like a biological and psychological reaction like take religion completely out of the picture and Murray's guys would still have the exact same feeling

Air Force Amybecause it's biological and it's psychological well it's also as biological as men like women with skinny waist and wide hips so they can they can birth okay and I see a lot of women getting married that don't have skinny

Air Force Amywaist and wide hips oh okay okay and also biological I see a lot of men men I keep saying so

Amy Dangerfieldmen want to be with a younger version of their wives and they can't do that okay well if you're gonna talk biologically then say for example back in the day like like going back to the uh what's it

Amy Dangerfieldthe old part of your brain that we still bring yeah so like back like back in those days the only way to ensure paternity that the men was to ensure that this was going to be his child is

Amy Dangerfieldif the woman remains single to him and uh committed to him sorry and still that's why to this day that part of the brain men don't want to see their woman with anybody else in any capacity even if it's just in the sense of being

Air Force Amyonline and in fact marriage was it was accepted so that I loved married would stay take care of the child that that they created otherwise I was in pesticide and women were just throwing their children

Brian Atlasout into the street because the men weren't taking care of them a little too far from the mic I'm really quick on the body count thing uh I want to perhaps oh maybe we should wait until Caitlyn right your friend comes back um I'll come back to that really quick

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Brian Atlasdid we have uh she's not back yet I'll wait on that um question for maybe I should I'll wait for on that one too um chase you asked the girls if there was any question that they had for us um

Brian AtlasI we are trying to wrap up here pretty soon anybody you want to come in final opportunity oh hey fdg thank you very much for the 50 gift of memberships thank you so much really appreciate it

Tryndallinaum do any of you have a question for us since we've asked a lot of questions I did have one for you guys and it was about like the red pill rhetoric a little bit and I thought do you think

Tryndallinamaybe this rhetoric May encourage a society that lies so for example like ideologies and reality and them not aligning uh do you feel like people are not going to be as honest in the day

Tryndallinawhere would people be motivated to lie yeah for example like the body count thing um or we kind of like say oh you know we can be born again virgins or something like that and we justify that so it's

Tryndallinalike uh aren't we just kind of creating false ideologies that we kind of embed with ourselves there's like three questions there so I'm all right we'll break it down however you want uh what you related it to red pill so I'm but I'm failing to sheet what she's

Andrew Goldenbasically saying is all the red pill rhetoric is Raising awareness around the subject of Body Count which could then motivate women to lie about body count

Andrew Goldenand encourage a culture of lying and I would say I would say uh ageled yes it's possible that that could happen however

Andrew GoldenI think both men and women becoming aware of this thing and having a sometimes unhealthy also sometimes healthy dialogue about it is a good thing for society because

Andrew Goldenit's making men aware of the dangers associated with it it's also making women aware of how much men care about it I think because many women are becoming aware of how much men care

Andrew Goldenabout it there's a natural incentive there for women to avoid racking up a high body count right because if they know subconsciously oh this is a standard that men have and I'm either going to have to lie which would suck or

Andrew GoldenI'm going to have to keep my body count down in order to find the kind of guy that I truly want that's a natural motivation for them to not engage in promiscuity I think that's a good thing could it also encourage a culture of lying absolutely are a bunch of women

Tryndallinagoing to lie about it because men now care about them as well I think so in that case what would you recommend to the viewers like when they're dating how

Andrew Goldencan they mitigate these risks of lying yeah like how can you just maybe well you get a good Christian girl yeah get a really good Christian girl who

Andrew Goldenauthentically believes in these values um I would also say too like there's not really anything that you're going to be able to do about whether or not somebody's going to lie you know now

Andrew Goldenwith that said over time as the relationship develops like the truth will probably come out you know you may notice discrepancies in what the person is saying and then that might that might breed a really

Andrew Goldenunhealthy Dynamic down the line because if if one person finds out that the other person was lying to them if it if there's like a long span of time over which this happens and let's say two years into the relationship you find out that the person has been lying to you

Brian Atlasthat's the kind of thing that could destroy a relationship awesome you know what I mean okay um last two questions then we have to wrap up here so we've been talking about

Brian Atlasbody count quite a bit so uh just show of hands who thinks body count matters

Caitlin Perrywho thinks body count doesn't matter or shouldn't matter points like it right in between like there's like a limb there's like a point sorry

Caitlin Perrythere's like a point where like okay that that's like a lot that's like a lot but then like if it's like I don't really care if it's not like you too too much gotcha so I'll just really quick

Brian Atlasum I guess yes or no should body count does body count matter how about let me rephrase it do you object to men caring about body count do you think it's kind of immature or maybe they

Wendyget over it I mean every time some guy has told me I've always been like I don't know like that's like because I've always like when we say like oh what do you have questions for me you know like just try and get to know

Wendysomeone and that's like the first question because I've had some guys like that's like the first question I just be like rubs you the wrong way yeah it's just like it's just like um I don't know sure

Caitlin Perrydo you object to men not uh caring about body count if you're starting like a if you're starting like a relationship and whatever they can have their own personal preferences I mean I don't really care

Atlasdo you you think it's Justified for men to care if they want to I guess I think it depends I guess now so if he was gonna sit down and have a conversation with me like you were saying and he's trying to really get to

Atlasknow me for certain reasons and it's not just to make a quick Hasty judgment then um I'd be way more open to it otherwise I think I'd just kind of be like okay you'd be turned off if he asked right

Gigi Dioroff the bat yeah because it's like why does it matter I think it depends on the the length of the and where you're standing like a decision maker on whether you're

Gigi Diorgoing to stay committed to this person sure move forward into the next level I think it I think at that point it warrants a conversation for both sexes annual value yeah I I think that it I mean I appreciate the fact that you guys

Annie Lobertare trying to show care but I just still want to ask where the Redemption is for the ones that have had higher body counts as well but I'm just saying like I don't

Annie Lobertwant to argue with you guys because I I don't want to change your opinion I just want you to just have empathy and love for yourself if you ask your questions let me ask you a question do you think it's fair for a woman to care about a

Andrew Goldenman's body count I wouldn't care okay but I never asked my husband those are your personal preferences do you think but he told me anyway do you think it's fair for other women to care about it that's up to them but I myself care if

Annie Lobertthey did I think I think everyone should really just forgive each other I agree and listen here's the whole thing if you are going to be in a relationship and you both are

Annie Lobertfocusing on talking about being serious because now it's got to that point if you want to talk about it I think it's okay as long as you're willing to hey I'm about to tell you something and I want to tell you something and I had to

Annie Loberttell my husband something you guys this is why this matters to me too right before we got married I had to tell my husband something and I was so afraid to tell him scared to death you guys I had the

Annie Lobertwedding dress ready and everything and when I told him he was like me and I was like are you kidding me he goes

Brian Atlasfor let's just click on stick for this yeah um okay so you object to men caring about body count yes

Air Force Amyone guy and he and he said um when I told him who I was he said um he wasn't concerned that I was a prostitute he was concerned that I was a

Air Force Amycelebrity do you object to men caring his concerns his concern was that I had had sex with a lot of people and that I would judge him that he would not be as good as the

Andrew Goldenother people that I had sex with okay Roger that but do you object to a man caring about it I'm never given any I've never any thought it doesn't matter Roger that what about you I'll be quick

Tryndallinabut I think matters not so much for the man's perspective but for like as an individual being accountable for what you've done and being okay with it and if you're not okay with it then that's where the issue I like but do you do you

Brian Atlasor do you not object to a Mankato no no okay okay no okay okay Amy doesn't object okay so most of you said you do object or you know whatever

Brian Atlasum so and I think some of you said body count doesn't matter shouldn't matter so if body count doesn't matter what is your body count

Brian Atlaswhat do you mean you never really thought about it like just what there's an it's a number you know like it's kind of like one of these

Wendyum can you skip the mic closer towards you like so it's yeah um I think five or six okay

AtlasI think like nine okay sure I think like 12

Gigi DiorI had four I'm sorry four prior to um work and I think I'm probably right now at like 15. okay

Annie Lobertum are we talking relationships or oh that's why work both work I combined him you can tell us the relationship one and the other one work one oh you have so once too

Annie Lobertum I wrote down the people that I slept with that I thought I was gonna have relationship with even prior to being in the sex industry and it was about a hundred you guys are like whoa prior to being

Annie Lobertand I was I was about yeah wait so prior prior to doing sex work people that you were pursuing oh and it was it was during and during sex work as

Annie Lobertwell oh yeah so until I got married 100 about 100. oh so including work yeah about no no no not including work when I was having forced sex

Annie LobertI'm just saying this okay forced sleeping with people it was not a choice because I was with two men yeah I shouldn't it's about 20 or yeah I think I think and that was

Brian Atlasforced way too oh hold on just a sec 20 to 30 15 at night 30. going on calls damn it damn 10 50 tonight going on a call

Brian AtlasSo you you're not taking a day off okay okay so that's work

Brian AtlasEd about 100 without work I had two two different ones five years each time okay got it okay they were very violent too

Annie Lobertby the way okay yeah me too um so not including work you said a hundred yeah including the time I was working so in other words during the relationships

Annie Lobertwith yeah when I was with the relationships with the pimp sometimes I would meet nice guys on the side and he was already cheated on my me I thought with other girls because I had wife-in-laws so I felt Justified when I met a nice guy that just wanted to hang

Annie Lobertout with me and just cuddle me and have sex with me I slept with them

Andrew Goldenso sorry well she found her man and and I went I win and you got saved from that you got saved from that my Jesus

Air Force Amyum Air Force Amy what about you at this point um only God knows and I hope it's a lot

Brian Atlasmore you know where to see me find your answer what about okay so there's men for work and then there's men for I'm never she's only had one relationship I've only had one reason I mean but even

Air Force Amyyeah but people like to pick up one night stand no that's it when that guy got everything you know like my first kiss he got my first without a condom we got my first everything so I feel like stained now you know now I feel stained and ruined

Air Force Amyfor marriage because he got my first kiss let me put all that first off okay

Air Force Amyincluding work how much like I said only God knows that one honey how old were you when you had that relationship it was like a year ago a year and a half ago um

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