30,000+ Body Count?! Should Men Marry PRØSTITUTES? | Dating Talk #100

Date: 2023-09-13

Duration: 5h 08m

Guests

CCaitlin Perry >

AAnnie Lobert >

AAir Force Amy >

AAmy Dangerfield >

CChase (DT118)>

AAndrew Golden >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS(audience)

SPEAKER_01Amy Dangerfield(guest)

SPEAKER_02Annie Lobert(guest)

SPEAKER_03Tryndallina(guest)

SPEAKER_04Gigi Dior(guest)

SPEAKER_05Wendy(guest)

SPEAKER_06Caitlin Perry(guest)

SPEAKER_07Air Force Amy(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Chase(guest)

SPEAKER_11Andrew Golden(guest)

SPEAKER_13Atlas(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteAndrew Golden's viral 'repent and believe the gospel' quote replayed

“Brian plays Andrew Golden's viral clip. Andrew explains the story: Christian street evangelism in Houston, random interaction outside Handlebar bar. Clip blew up globally, biggest in Portuguese.”

Key MomentAnnie Lobert describes attorney client who came to her in drag as a submissive

“Annie describes a high-powered attorney client who would come to her door dressed in his mother's clothing, on his knees with money in his teeth. Never touched him — 'all tools.'”

Key MomentAnnie Lobert: cocaine overdose and heart attack conversion story

“Annie describes overdosing on cocaine August 2, 2003, having a heart attack, clinging to EMT's hand, fading in and out of consciousness, and crying out to Jesus. Doctor said she should have been dead from drugs in her system.”

Key MomentChase discloses he broke 3-year celibacy vow on-air

“Brian reveals context that Chase was previously celibate for ~3 years. Chase admits on-air he 'fell into temptation' and is no longer celibate. Still with same woman. Andrew is 'disappointed.'”

ControversyUnidentified woman confronts Andrew about not knowing how to speak to sex workers

“SPEAKER_14 intervenes to tell Andrew and Chase they don't understand how to speak to women from the sex industry — that they won't receive religious messaging delivered that way. Gets emotionally upset defending Amy's background.”

Key MomentAnnie Lobert body count: ~100 personal not counting forced sex work

“Body count round: Annie clarifies ~100 personal (including during pimp relationships) but not counting forced sex acts. Shocked the panel.”

Key MomentAir Force Amy: body count 'only God knows' — over 1,000 work clients

“Air Force Amy declines to estimate personal body count, says 'only God knows' for work. Confirms over 1,000 work encounters over 30+ year career.”

Other100th episode champagne toast

“Super chat donor (Mr. Meatball) triggers champagne celebration. Panel toasts to 100th episode, Bunny Ranch, and Hookers for Jesus.”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship status round

Brian introduces panel of 9 guests. Each introduces name, age, occupation. Follow-up: current relationship status, longest relationship.

Annie Lobert: trafficking, conversion, and ministry

Annie Lobert shares escape from sex trafficking, two pimp partners, cocaine overdose in 2003, heart attack and conversion to Christianity. Founded Hookers for Jesus, runs Pink Chair safe houses. Met husband Oz Fox (Stryper) on MySpace.

Air Force Amy: legal prostitution career and background

Air Force Amy explains 30+ year legal brothel career at Bunny Ranch, Nevada. Explains Nevada brothel law, county restrictions, equity ownership of 4 brothels. Military background (Air Force, Nellis AFB). First relationship at 55+ via Match.com during COVID.

Should men marry prostitutes / sex workers

Debate on whether men should marry women with high body counts or sex work history. Chase and Andrew (Christian perspective) argue body count and sexual history matter. Annie and Air Force Amy push back. Discussion of redemption, repentance, and social judgment.

Religion vs sex work: Christianity debate

Extended debate between Andrew/Chase (Christian) and Air Force Amy/panel about whether prostitution is sinful. Air Force Amy challenges judgment. Annie Lobert mediates. SPEAKER_14 (unidentified woman) confronts Andrew about speaking to sex workers with empathy.

Borderline Personality Disorder panel discussion

Caitlin discloses BPD diagnosis and favorite person symptom. Gigi Dior discloses recent BPD diagnosis and dissociation during adult film work. Amy Dangerfield cautions against over-diagnosis culture. Andrew argues BPD/mental health issues are spiritual in origin.

Childhood trauma and entry into sex work

Panel discusses correlation between absent fathers, childhood trauma, and entry into sex work. Annie and Gigi share personal trauma backgrounds. Chase and Andrew argue father absence is root cause.

Body count: does it matter?

Panel discusses whether body count matters in relationships. Body counts revealed: Wendy ~5-6, Atlas ~9, Caitlin ~12, Gigi ~15, Annie ~100 (personal), Air Force Amy 1000+. Brian argues body count x3 heuristic from American Pie.

Going out to bars: relationship boundaries

Scenario: new boyfriend asks girlfriend to stop going to bars/clubs. Most guests say they would comply if in a committed relationship.

100th episode champagne celebration

Show wraps with champagne toast for 100th episode, donated by super chat. Brian thanks panel and Mr. Meatball for patronage.

Transcript

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Andrew Goldenthe man to be dominant and the woman to be his helper in Genesis I would say the best example of feminism

Andrew Goldenin the Bible is when uh Eve LED Adam to eat the fruit and caused mankind to fall I'm not kidding that's feminism in the Bible for you you know it's you know what's interesting about that too is the

Andrew Goldenearly feminist writers explicitly wrote about how they worshiped Lucifer for liberating women from the patriarchy of Yahweh

TryndallinaI just when I think of feminism I think of like just equal opportunity education everyone is treated fairly I think understanding differences is a part of that as well

Chaseultimate ultimately feminism is about um liberating women it was about pushing promiscuity to destroy the patriarchy but the reality is patriarchy is

Chaseinevitable you guys you're going back you're going to go you're going to have some guys at the top of this whole system and uh even if a woman she wants

Chaseto be a career woman right she goes out she becomes her own boss a girl boss CEO she's still either going to be serving well she's not going to be serving the heavenly father she's going to be serving the father of Lies she's going

Chaseto be serving Satan so let's go you're going to be submitting to something

Chaseis that what you mean yeah okay you may not be like legitimately worshiping Satan but if you're not following after Christ you are worse yeah but isn't like part of Christ's service so like let's say her career is based around service and love

TryndallinaI mean that's a good thing yeah that's that's a good thing but if she's really pushing back just because sometimes like when we have these conversations people can like say their ideas and it's very generalized and it's not specific and I

Annie Lobertkind of think like the specifics are extremely important in understanding each other I wanted to say something really quick I'm a CEO and I've been my own CEO for years and I take care of these women and I don't think a man

Annie Lobertcould do it because they're the ones who hurt them and a man cannot be over that house in the and the safe houses we have because there would be too much Temptation for other things to go on because what

Annie Loberthappens when they start going to church and they start being around men they have a tendency to lean into them and try to start a relationship so I'm in my right standing so you said

Andrew Goldenno no no that's not what you're saying she's saying her unique position is one that only she as a woman could feel and I would I I would also add to that I would add to that uh I would add the

Andrew GoldenNuance in the conversation that you are very very well serving God in the position that you're in bringing women out of you know prostitution whatever else wherever else they are like you're absolutely serving God in that position

Andrew Goldenand I would also agree that a man almost certainly couldn't do that same job in the way that you're doing because you are uniquely equipped to have compassion for them as a woman that's had the same experiences and stuff what he's getting

Andrew Goldenat though see the thing about feminism is there's there's been different waves of feminism right like at first it was about empowering women uh with like equal opportunities and stuff you look at it today a lot of the messaging

Andrew Goldencoming out of feminism is that men are bad uh the differences between the Sexes are like social constructs and that like you know traditional ideas around

Andrew Goldenmasculinity and femininity are bad social constructs that are oppressive and patriarchal right and in that sense that form of feminism is absolutely not

Andrew Goldencompatible with God's word because God charges us as men to lead in our households right like we're charged with leading in our households we're charged with providing we're also charged with

Andrew Goldenloving our wives in a christ-like fashion right but it does the bible does give men Authority in that way over their household that it does not give women in the same way but that's not a bad thing no of course not and like I

Tryndallinasee it happen in Kosovo as well it's quite traditional still um but I just was a bit confused about the whole working and servicing and so that's why I'm just asking proverbs 31 is where the ideal woman is her

Chasecharacteristics are given yeah and she works hard she does a lot of you probably like it yeah I see it there as well it's like they don't stop and so so I'm not against a woman-based a CEO if

Chasethat's you know how I came across and also but but she should not be rejecting the family in favor of being a CEO right God designed them to raise and nurture children yeah I think what he's getting

Andrew Goldenat is a lot of women that like nowadays a lot of women that are working or in high-powered positions because they're making a lot of money they have authority in their careers so on and so forth they completely reject the

Andrew Goldenleadership of the man in the home right they view themselves on equal footing or instead they will say no actually I'm going to leave the family and what is like the the rejection look

Andrew Goldenlike so I mean rejects yeah so I'll give you an example uh in my family for example when I was growing up my mom and dad had tension in terms of who was leading the family in what direction and there were times you know Andrew was

Andrew Goldentalking about the concept of submission right this is the idea that when you know when you have a husband and a wife the husband has the ultimate authority over the household my mother on a number of different things didn't want to submit to my dad one of the areas in

Andrew Goldenwhich she did not want to was through financial decisions my dad would say we should live more within our means my mom was like no we should take these riskier Financial Maneuvers so that we can make more of a profit he would push back

Andrew Goldenagainst it she wouldn't listen we got destroyed as a result of it financially in the 2008 housing crash that was an example where my dad was trying to exert

Brian Atlashis leadership my mom would not submit to it and we got burned as a result does that make sense yeah a question for Chase uh if you're uh for when it comes to

Brian Atlasreligion when it comes to Christianity and it comes to some submissiveness submission isn't it the husband uh is it the husband submits to God yes and then the wife submits to the husband

Andrew Goldenis that I don't know if I'm phrasing it no that's that's that's correct a Woman Within Christianity and I would say this for all all women as well like when it comes to the idea of submission if I was a woman I would only want to

Andrew Goldensubmit to a man if I knew that he was submitted to God right within the red pill Community you have all these dudes that don't believe in God they don't believe in Jesus and they talk about well women need to be submissive but then these same guys are running through

Andrew Goldentons of women outside of the relationship and they hurt their woman right that's not christ-like leadership in a relationship as a man if I want to lead a woman and I want her to submit to

Andrew Goldenme in marriage I first have to do the job of being fully submitted to Christ which means that I'm going to love her with compassion and mercy I'm going to be submitted to God's word I'm not going to be committing adultery outside of the

Andrew Goldenrelationship not going to be beating her you know all that kind of stuff like that's that's that's the that's the order the man submits to God and the woman submits to the man let's open it

Brian Atlasup to the panel here so uh some of you kind of grimaced when um when uh it's Andrew right yeah Andrew sorry uh mentioned you know he wants a woman

Brian Atlaswho's submissive to him do you think that you ought you women should be submissive to their boyfriends to their husbands in relationships or are you more like I'm more interested in a 50 50 dynamic

Brian Atlaslet's start with you and we'll go around the table go ahead what is a 50 50 . like 50 50. you guys both have an eat the bill on the first date um how else do you explain like 50. I

Andrew Goldenguess you guys like you both take care of the finances you have an equal say in the decisions over the home so on and so forth so before

Wendy[Music] it was 50 50. but it was mostly me I'm doing everything I said okay did you wear the pants yeah was it like 75 20 or

Brian Atlas25 like it was um I was supporting a bum let's just say like that well I was like 92 jobs yeah oh you were working and he was what just staying at home playing

Brian Atlasthese type of thing or like we'll work um for like a week and get tired of it oh yes okay and so you guys you guys were living together correct yeah and

Wendyyou you were paying most of the rent okay so 50 50. and everything yeah yeah interrupt like how old was he can I ask um

Wendywhen yeah when I was so I met him when I was 16.

WendyI met him when I was 16 and he was 17 turning 18. okay yeah yeah Romeo and Juliet is that Romeo and Juliet I don't know no that's fine I was

Brian Atlasjust expecting it to be like way older because I always see that kind of stuff happen but that's okay all right she was anticipating like the dude was like mid-20s I know but

Brian Atlasafter that it's now it's like you don't you don't want that you don't want to repeat that sort of relationship Dynamic that you had with your ex-boy first day I expect you to pay so okay all right

Brian Atlasgotcha what's I besides like paying on the first day what would be an example where uh a woman should submit to be submissive in the relationship I mean there's like a million different

Andrew Goldenthings you could point to If you're looking at a place to move a place to send your kids in a relationship um if you're setting boundaries in a relationship like if you're telling your woman hey like you can't go out to clubs all the time you know like yeah what do

Atlasyou think what do you guys think that's a good one I need to know about purses women are supposed to be submissive when there's not a lot of dominant men out there in my experience I think in Chase I think you've said this before you

Andrew Goldenshould you shouldn't just submit to anybody you should submit to the right type of guy and Chase on if you have anything to add to them yeah I mean absolutely that's a great question

Andrew Goldenwhere are the dominant men not wrong yeah I should not come across any in my experience so far so here's here's what I've noticed about women wanting to submit

Andrew Goldenthe female impulse 2 submission is very natural when women feel like they can trust a man and they feel like his leadership is trustworthy and good and he's strong right if you feel that from

Andrew Goldena man you're just gonna be like okay like tell me what to do like what what should we do most of the time yeah unless you guys like unless unless there's something

Andrew Goldenthat's the big word safety yeah and and like a lot of guys nowadays especially don't really know how to lead women they don't know how to do it effectively so if you meet a guy who doesn't know

Gigi Diorhow to lead a woman and he's like submit to me you're going to be like why like your your leadership isn't good I don't know what you're doing and then we get the backlash because we're we're like

Gigi Diorthey're like well nobody's listening well I'm not just following you in blindly like you need to explain to me why this is important and why I'm doing

Gigi Diorthis because I've I completely agree with her there are our society is weakening daily with the strength of men yes and I feel that the reason that

Andrew Goldenwomen are getting so much stronger is out of necessity well that's that's part of it part of it there's been a sociological push especially in the past hundred years to empower women as much

Andrew Goldenas possible and to also tell women that they don't need men right so that's one part of the equation the other part of the equation is that men have been demoralized and weakened by Propaganda

Andrew Goldenuh there's an assault on our endocrine systems right so like a strong man like when you see a strong man and you're like that's a man that I respect like he's a man who can lead he probably has

Andrew Goldenhigher than average testosterone levels right this is the hormone that makes a man a man if you remove this from a man's body he's going to become weak if he has enough of it he's going to become strong

Andrew Goldenmale testosterone levels right now are half of what they were in our grandparents generation so you look around and you're like yo there's all

Andrew Goldenthese soy boys the reality is you're right biologically yeah yeah

Andrew Goldenit lowers a man's testosterone right so women have been elevated told that they don't need men the men have been weakened and now there's women like you guys you're looking around you're like where are all the strong men right it's

Atlasa frustrating spot to be in I have a strong man there's a lot of women I love it on a testosterone now too it's an attack on both yes there is absolutely an attack on

Brian Atlasboth sexes both on a biological level and also on a psychological level but would you say it's more pronounced in men because I mean what I think you have happening is like the Plastics that are

Andrew Goldenin the water like these micro Plastics and stuff that causes uh estrogen or so a lot of those are called xenoestrogens right so they they're they're like

Andrew Goldensynthetic hormones that fit into your hormone receptors this is why a lot of women are reaching puberty earlier than they're supposed to like young women nowadays reach puberty way faster than

Andrew Goldenthey used to like 50 years ago yeah and when those same chemicals go into men they make us infertile they lower our testosterone like there's there's all sorts of effects so it's screwing up both sexes but it's

Andrew Goldenprimarily feminizing hormones and that's not just in the water right it's in like all these places like products water bottles this this cup if I put this in the microwave for like 15 seconds this would Leach a bunch of xenoestrogens

Air Force Amyinto it this is why the Bunny Ranch exists because people come to figure out why their sex life isn't as robust as it should be um

AtlasI'm not sure if that's real you were going exactly no but yeah and maybe even preference because of the study of the frogs Yeah I mean there's there's so check this out there's

Andrew Goldenthere's a ton of different stuff right so if if you go to the store you buy say you buy a a packet of steak for example the plastic wrap on top of it that's going to leech xenoestrogens into the

Andrew Goldensteak women on birth control which is this is a very interesting thing when women take birth control they've done studies women on birth control more

Andrew Goldenoften than not prefer men with less masculine facial characteristics yes so women you hear stories about this all the time a woman will go on birth

Andrew Goldencontrol and not be attracted to her boyfriend anymore or she will be with a guy get off of her birth control and then all of a sudden she's like wow I'm not sexually attracted to my boyfriend at all there's a massive assault I

Andrew Goldenwanted to say what'd you say aren't those like like free occurrences it's common it actually happened to one of my best friends I got married to my husband we went on our honeymoon the doctor put me on

Annie Lobertbirth control and you can ask him just DM him I did not want to have sex with him and I was angry at him and I told my doctor

Andrew Goldenget me off this junk so she took me off and we were back to normal nice that's see that that's a perfect example you know the other thing about birth control too this is crazy

Andrew Goldenso you guys know what pheromones are like the things our bodies admit admit you know you smell a healthy person's pheromones makes you more attracted to them makes you want to have sex with them so on and so forth a person's fair you could you can

Andrew Goldenactually smell a person's pheromones and if their immune system is a good match for your immune system in terms of producing a kid they will be more attractive to you okay so they did a study where they had men wear shirts for

Andrew Goldenlike three days and then they put their shirts in plastic bags and they had women on birth control and off birth control smell the shirts the women who are off birth control when they smelled the shirts they were attracted to the

Andrew Goldenmen who had complementary immune systems and the women on birth control had they couldn't tell which men they didn't they weren't more attracted to the men with good immune systems for them how could

Andrew Goldenthey tell if they had complementary immune systems what was the test for that they like studied I don't know like their DNA or their like microbiome something like that I don't know where was the study found where was it found

Andrew Goldenyeah anyone like that just just online yeah if you if you look up studies on how birth control changes women's mating preferences there's like a ton of

Brian Atlasliterature and it's dramatic uh show of hands who's on birth control currently I think mine is non-hormonal okay well yeah

Atlasis it the copper IUD it's an IUD and they just they when I went in to complain like well I didn't go in to complain I was doing a lot of research on hormones and I went in and I said I want to get my hormones checked sure

Atlasum they said why your birth control doesn't contain any hormones and I was like huh weird I don't know how that's possible how does it work then um I think it just blocks the the

AtlasFallopian tubes from releasing the egg into the uterus to get fertilized it's like a little yep like an umbrella with the copper word a copper spring at

Andrew Goldenthe bottom of it and the copper also destroys any type of implantation okay we're talking we're talking uh we're talking the feminization I can draw you a picture I want to I want to drop one

Andrew Goldenof my conspiracy theories okay so when was when was the birth control pill introduced late 60s I think 68 went

Andrew Goldenall right so we got all these weak guys nowadays how many generations of women have been on birth control when they pick their husbands then came off the birth control and got

Andrew Goldenpregnant and has there been for the past 60 years a selection pressure artificially from birth control making women choose to mate with men that have more feminine characteristics and are

Andrew Goldenthose are their options are you guys following me like that's like multiple General okay so like if if birth control makes women prefer men with more feminine facial features women go on birth control they find a

Andrew Goldendude they marry him they get off the birth control they have kids that's generations of women picking men with more feminine characteristics and then producing kids with them I think we're doing like Eugenics like we want all

Andrew Goldenwomen everywhere a world of women only not not like a world of women only but like it's like it's like a dysgenic like psyop making women have more feminine boys

Gigi DiorI can't answer that question otherwise this channel will get it if we're on birth control we come off to have children and those children are now the boys of the world could that birth

Gigi Diorcontrol be leading to the feminization of men it's possible I don't know like while they're in the worm you mean well like no I'm not you're not taking birth control while you're pregnant but that's

Gigi Diorleftover effect the residuals 100 saying that it's leading us to be attracted to more feminine men what's to

Andrew Goldenlead it to not um produce what's the point produce a more feminine I mean it might you know I'm just adding to you when women take hormonal birth control it's just brute

Andrew Goldenforcing their bodies with tons of hormones and it also can deplete nutrients this is why a lot of women actually become infertile after they they come off hormonal birth control all those nutrients maybe you're making less

Andrew Goldenfeminine or more feminine boys you know it's there's a lot of stuff at play it's possible I don't know once you start just like adding tons of hormones to the body though and all these like poisons in the environment like you get screwed

Tryndallinaup people and also one thing I feel like you forgot to mention was like most like boys are not growing up with a father yeah in the home yeah and I think that's

Brian Atlaslike really bad yeah it's really really bad so bringing it back to the question in terms of do you want to be submissive you want to

Caitlin Perryprefer 50 50 in a relationship I think we had Wendy answer uh what about you I think it just depends on the relationship like the person like if the

Caitlin Perryguy's okay with being submissive and the girl wants to be dominant okay if the girl wants to be submissive that's fine too it kind of just depends on what each of them want what the relationship looks like which do you prefer yeah what do

Caitlin Perryyou prefer 50 50. you like 50 50. you don't you don't want like a strong boyfriend who wants to lead and you can fly I mean I want a strong boyfriend but like I want to be able to have the opportunity to

Caitlin Perrypush back a little bit if my opinion differs like if I want something different and it's important to me I don't want a boyfriend that's just gonna be like oh no you don't want to Tyrant yeah I don't want someone that's just gonna

Chasetell me everything to do because I don't know I have my own opinions with everything so here's the the biblical idea the biblical picture

Chaseof dominance and submission this is a loving dominance okay the the example is Christ if he's Ephesians chapter five you can go read it later um but it says that husbands should love their wives as Christ loved the church

Chasehow did Christ love the church he laid down his life for the church if you're not you know dating or married to a man that is not willing to lay down his life for you it's really not a man you should

Chasebe with and and then obviously if you as you keep going it says that the wife should submit to the husband you know the church doesn't submit to Christ the I'm sorry Christ doesn't submit to

Chasethe church the church submits to Christ just as uh you know the husband wife relationship relates to Christ in the church the husband picturing Christ the wife

Brian Atlaspicturing the church so yeah love is the key word there you know it's it's a it's a loving dominance and Chase if I recall I think you've said that

Brian Atlasyou you don't in your relationship you don't want to be a tyrant like you obviously want to be with an intelligent woman and you would want you'd be certainly open to hearing what she has to say but I think

Andrew Goldenand perhaps you can phrase it you know I don't know I mean it's it's it's it's it's like this bro like you know I look at it from the perspective of raising a family right creating a family as a man for me to create a family and

Andrew Goldenbring a family into this world I am ultimately responsible for everything that happens to it right like I I am the the commander the captain of the ship whatever happens to the ship that's on me right and I'm willing to take that

Andrew Goldenresponsibility now with that said I want a good wife that I can partner with I don't want a wife who's like stupid or who isn't going to have valuable input like obviously I'm going

Andrew Goldento disagree with her on things there's no question about that but I want the kind of woman whose counsel I trust and if our perspectives differ and we're married I will expect her even if she

Andrew Goldendoesn't understand where I'm coming from I will expect her to ultimately submit to what it is that I need her or the family to do while trusting that it's in ultimately the best interests of the family like I

Caitlin Perrydon't want to control her I guess that that's where I differ like if you guys have opposing opinions like that doesn't mean that all the time she needs to be submissive to you yeah I mean she's she's totally allowed to

Caitlin Perrydisagree and because I love her I'm going to listen to what it is that she has to say well what if like what she had was super intelligent blah blah and you guys are arguing and she brought up like a really good point would you

Andrew GoldenI mean if if I'm if I'm wrong about something and she brings up a good point and proves to me that I'm wrong like I would have the humility to be like okay you got me on this one great job thank you for telling me that but that

Gigi Diordoesn't that lead to your trust in Her counsel it does exactly like that's why you would trust that she's the woman for you because you would trust that that's why you're with her absolutely I have

Andrew Goldenthe ability yeah so I have a I have a perfect example have you guys seen the movie 300 oh yeah yeah all right so in the opening scenes of 300 King Leonidas there's a messenger from the Persian

Andrew Goldenarmy that comes to King Leonidas right he comes to Sparta and he basically tells the Spartans he's like yo you guys need to submit to us or we're going to kill all of you okay and so

Andrew Goldenthey're having this conversation and King Leonidas is there with his Queen and as they're having this conversation as they're having this conversation uh King Leonidas realizes that he needs to

Andrew Goldenkill this man but before he kills this man he looks back at his wife because it's a massive decision to kill this man if he kills this messenger from the Persians the entire Persian army of

Andrew Goldenmillions of men is going to descend on Sparta and attempt to kill everyone it's a big decision so he looks back at his Queen For Her counsel because he knows he needs to kill this guy and she just nods her head and like in that moment he

Andrew Goldenknows like okay like my wife has got me on this this is the right decision like and then he you know he yells this is Sparta and he kicks the dude into into the hole and then they kill everybody like you want I feel like as a man

Andrew Goldenyes as a man like I want a woman whose counsel I can trust you know like I want a woman who is intelligent who can see things and if if the thing is like

Andrew Goldenwith leadership you have to be humble you need humility because if you're a leader and you're wrong about something you have to know that you're wrong you know like if I'm going to lead my family in a certain direction and I'm accidentally going to lead them off a

Andrew Goldencliff I want to know that I'm going to do that and if my wife tells me that and she can explain it to me and she can help me see that like I'm gonna have the humility to be like oh yeah you're right and I I want the kind of woman that can do that but if she's

Andrew Goldenwrong about something and I know damn well that she's wrong about it I'm going to expect her even if she doesn't agree with me I'm going to expect her to listen to what it is that I have to say because she trusts that I have her best

Brian Atlasinterests at heart does that make sense uh wait so Caitlyn here let me give a scenario um let's say you've been dating a guy

Brian Atlasdating a guy right for a couple months and you're like hey what do you want to eat and he's like I don't know you just whatever you want is it turn off or

Caitlin Perrybecause I feel like I hear from a lot of women they want like the guy who's decisive who's like I want Mexican tonight I want hamburgers I want sushi I mean if it was like all the time and I

Caitlin Perrynever got to pick where to eat and it was just always what he wanted and like sure then I wouldn't like it but if he was like again 50 50 like half the time oh like what do you want and then half

Gigi Diorthe time he's telling me what he wants what are you getting for dinner tonight uh I kind of want Chick-fil-A okay can I add to that yeah so here's my issue with

Gigi Diorit is if I say like okay I make the final decision we're having Mexican tonight and then it's awful or it's bad service or something then it comes back I hate when it the guys then like well

Gigi Diorwe shouldn't have done that because it was a horrible idea or or on him then speak up you didn't want to go for Mexican then say something but that's what we're like

Chasehe submitted to your decision but ultimately it was still his decision right and then they turn around and they blink you can't blame

Andrew Goldenso it's like it's like in uh the Book of Genesis after Adam and Eve eat the fruit God God comes to them and he's like what have you done and Adam goes it was the

Brian Atlaswoman like she she said we should do it right there you go same thing here we go uh yo really quick Nick can you pull up uh twitch guys go to twitch.tv slash whatever drop us a follow drop us a

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Andrew Goldenand then we have a couple chats here we have oops let me get this triggered Brian can I make just one point of clarification yeah I'm sure I just I want to say to you to what we were saying I think it's good for a woman to want a man who

Andrew Goldencan lead who cares about what it is that she cares about right there's a distinction there between a tyrant versus having a loving King boyfriend or husband right because if you're with a good man he's gonna care about what you

Andrew Goldencare about that doesn't mean he's always going to listen in terms of like yeah we're gonna do that but a good man is going to at least care right a man who doesn't really care about you that much he's gonna be like no screw it you have

Amy Dangerfieldto say like I'm not listening there's a difference there would you say there's some type of a comparison there almost to the way that like children need to submit to their parents right it's like I mean sure sometimes you can have shitty parents and when you listen to them and they make all of the

Amy Dangerfielddecisions on your behalf that could lead to a terrible life if they're terrible parents but if they're good parents and you trust in their judgment it's ultimately going to lead to the best outcome for you I mean I guess like I

Caitlin Perrygrew up with pretty shitty parents right so maybe it's hard so I was always independent and like on my own and like making my own decisions and for me it was kind of like like I was kind of like the leader

Caitlin Perryhelper of the family I guess like even with my brothers so I feel like I would have a really hard time if or like one putting my trust in a guy because I've

Caitlin Perryhad a lot of guys hurt me but also being submissive to someone else like after me being like dominant for myself all these years like I I just don't know if I could go fully submissive like I feel

Andrew Goldenlike for me it would always have to be 50 50. you know so I've met I've met and talked to a lot of girls that have had daddy issues and who fundamentally find it hard to trust the Judgment of a man yeah because they were taught in life

Andrew Goldenthat the man that was supposed to love them most didn't love them and didn't have their interests at heart I believe that if and when you choose to heal that and it'll take time but like for you to

Andrew Goldenheal that wound from your dad and to realize like he failed at his job I believe that you would you would find it easier to trust a man I feel like I should also just keep my Independence

Caitlin Perrybecause I feel like that's what makes me who I am and it makes me strong it makes me successful with things in my life but do you feel like it's a little bit of an alma sometimes I mean yeah I do put up

Caitlin Perryan armor but do I want to like be making decisions for myself even if it's like I have somebody else do I want to be the person like equal 50 50 in decisions yeah they

Amy Dangerfieldwant someone to take that from me there's this saying that like unknown Heavens are like scarier to people than known Hells yeah and I think that oftentimes for people especially when

Amy Dangerfieldthey've experienced drug with trauma especially stuff with their upbringing like that bleeds into your adulthood so much oh it does that just because your armor has served you for this part of

Amy Dangerfieldyour life like I would just encourage you to think that like maybe like what are you also giving off in pursuit of keeping that armor on at the same time it's just something to consider

Andrew GoldenI'll tell you this just to wrap this point if you find a really good guy who loves you and he's strong and he's masculine and you can you can actually trust his

Andrew Goldenjudgment if you keep that armor up and you keep like pushing away his loving leadership that is the kind of thing that can ultimately push away a really good man well I'd say with 50 50 it

Caitlin Perrywouldn't be like me pushing away his leadership it would be like me welcoming it in but also him welcoming like welcoming mind like just our opinions like that's it like not one person's a

Caitlin Perryleader over the other kind of like you both are going together I don't know it's just right you may find a guy who wants exactly that I hope so either way

Chaseit's not ideal uh it's not right I would say uh I think I think going by our feelings is is you know how we got this nation all jacked up in the first place we need to start going off the word of

ChaseGod not just our feelings facts if we make morals subjective or relative you could say to our own feelings and our own desires this destroys any moral claim that you

Chasecan make it makes your world view concerning morals totally absurd because if you say Okay morals are you know just what I feel is right okay now you've subjectivized morality

Chaseand now we have dudes in women's bathrooms and you can't object to that you can't say oh that's wrong because you've already subjectivized morality he's just doing what's right in his own eyes you can't look at a rape or a mall shooting and say oh that's wrong no

Chaseyou've already subjectivized morality he's just doing us right in his own eyes we're from the Christian worldview we start with God's word and the objective standard of his word and we say this is God's design

Amy Dangerfieldthis is right because he says so and we start there instead of starting with our own feelings and our own reasoning I think honestly it'll just take the right men we're submitting to and I think that's the biggest Point here is like

Amy Dangerfieldfor a man they want a confidant a woman who they can lean on their Council but for the woman they also need a man who they can trust and default to their leadership to and I think that's what it's going to take for you is meeting a man like that but I would just caution you to be a little bit worried because

Amy Dangerfieldthat armor that you're wearing now could prevent you from ever meeting him it's very wise what was that quote you said a second ago on Discovery known um Hells are sometimes preferable to unknown heavens

Brian AtlasI'm actually not sure what the original source is I'm not sure but someone said it to me years ago and it was really really important the way I've I've also I'm pretty sure this is the same thing

Brian Atlasis the devil you know is better than the devil you don't yeah but I don't know if that's basically like a shitty situation if you're I'm trying to think like what's the context at least you know

Andrew Goldenwhat you're getting yourself into you know what you're dealing with it's like staying in an abusive relationship and I'm scared of breaking up and being single I'm not saying that that's a it's

Atlasa right thing but yeah that's what people said like that was a quote people used for Trump like I'd rather have somebody like oh we know Trump president because we know what his actual thoughts

Atlasare versus somebody who's like careful

Brian Atlaswhere were we uh we were okay so I'm trying to think of some more scenarios with the 50 50 thing um well do you vacation are you selectively 50 50

Brian Atlasthough like for example when it comes to courtship uh do you ask guys out do you take initiative do you go for the first kiss yeah yeah you go for the first kiss go for the first kiss yes

Caitlin Perrysometimes well I mean why not if I like a guy oh that's fine you said you're on birth control yes I wonder if your preferences would change after coming off I mean I'm on birth control and that's not happening

WendyI mean I don't know but I usually sometimes when there's like a pouring I like a guy go up to him I got a question about the 50 50 thing you want to have kids I don't know yet you don't depends on if I find the right guy okay so you found

Caitlin Perrythe right guy um then yeah yeah if I ever find anything just straighten it straighten up if I were financially stable everything like was aligned to have kids yeah I would want kids would you want to just

Caitlin Perrycontinue working through your pregnancy and then after having the kids or would you want him to provide for you I feel like it depends if I have a really good job and I make more money

Brian Atlasfinancially than he does then I would want to keep working yeah despite the stresses of pregnancy and motherhood yes I'm calling cap we'll check back in 10 years

Atlasyeah we'll put it on the calendar um what about you um so uh if I could find somebody that I trusted

Atlaswho doesn't go to jail right yeah so if I found a really good guy and I trusted him and he was intelligent and I would I would love to be able to to be

Brian Atlassubmissive I would like that with your last boyfriend is that the one that was in that went to prison is that your last boyfriend no that was maybe for you this

Atlasone were you submissive to him um I tried to be and then he proved over and over again to be extreme more of like um no not that's the that's the one that

Atlaswas in prison the last one I was with was the one that like had the job moved in lost the job and then was going to do the travel job and then was just add in my apartment all the time

Atlasum anyways he just he was not dominant at all I felt like I had to take on the dominant role and that was kind of a little bit of a

Atlasbummer to me I was looking forward to either being 50 50 or getting to have somebody who was more of like a leader a real man so to speak yeah I guess yeah

Atlasoh go ahead go go ahead would you say Atlas that you have a pattern of picking the wrong guys yes and that's why um I'm I've I've actually never even really

Atlasdated so like I met that guy through a friend and he was one of the first guys I've actually ever gone out on some dates with the prison dude or the uh the last boyfriend yeah the any guy I've

Atlasever dated before I was friends with forever before we started dating so I'm just taking a long break and I'm about to have so much school there's no time to give anyone any time so I just

Atlasdon't get into anything really how many relationships have you had um in my adult life that'd be easier to count so like when I was younger like a teenager I'd have like break up and get

Andrew Goldena different boyfriend it doesn't matter in my adult life I've had okay let's see probably like less than five how many of them were just like shitty dudes like just like we got a dude in prison we got a guy that played video

Atlasgames all day actually probably not even five like three or four only well like three um there was one really good guy there's one really good guy he was like military and became a nurse

Andrew Goldenand I've no I've noticed that some women just have a habit of picking like dudes that are absolutely terrible for them and I've always wondered what drives them I can't reject there I think that

Air Force Amyguys pick girls that think girls that um are

Air Force Amyto have some type of motherly healers or get healers or givers or more submissive

Air Force Amyor wounded guys Predators pick up on that like you're wearing something on your forehead that's definitely and the Predators pick up on them and and they're just

Andrew Goldenlike eagles and they just pick a and so I don't think it's the female's problem fault well I think both sexes should take accountability for sure if we're all adults but um yeah I've noticed that they're

Andrew Goldendefinitely like I don't know if you have any wounds but like wounded women will pick like the dudes that take advantage of them and then like predatory dudes will definitely hone in on women that are women how do you think pimping happens you know yeah there you go you

Air Force Amyknow the Predators these girls are out there on their own you know usually teenagers like runaways and something wasn't going on good at home and then bam you know they're picked up I wanted to say something to you because I love

Brian Atlasyou Amy so much that when you were a teenager that was trafficking that is not child prostitution it was traffic okay we're moving on from that

Andrew Goldenwe're not talking about that all right we tried we told you before the show like let's not it's one of the things that can get us banned all right all right thank you let's Brian where do you want to take it yeah

Brian Atlasso I'm trying to think here um take care of that Super Chat real quick if you want yeah let's okay I'll read the soup chat ovigata just FYI for the global audience Catholicism

Brian AtlasChristianity is based on how Europeans interpret interpretate is that it's not a word interpret the Bible which was written by Israel Israelites not Europeans for the last 1800 years Humanity has been fooled

Brian Atlasto think that this is their book and it's not uh okay I address that real quick yeah take 20 seconds

Andrew GoldenI think it's speaking I don't know where he's 20 seconds he's saying he's saying that Europeans manipulated the Bible this is false ovigata the Bible has been translated all over the world in many

Andrew Goldendifferent languages we have the original Source text this is not just a European thing you can find people in Asia Africa so on and so forth they've inter they have uh translated the Bible from the

Brian Atlasoriginal Source text into their own languages and it still says the same thing so there you have it folks all right we have uh GP many of the worst acts throughout human history have happened

Brian Atlasover my imaginary friends is better than your imaginary friends some of the worst people I've known go to church get or reset every Sunday those who literally give the shirt off their back don't

Chasedid you guys ever oh yeah response to that um from GP I mean Andrew if you want to go you know there's a problem with church is the objection there's a problem with religion I guess you could

Chasesay that's what he's what he's objecting to every world of you is religious religion is unavoidable I don't care if you're a secular humanist I don't care if you're an atheist you're still

Chasereligious and what I mean by that is everybody has a faith commitment in some ultimate standard or some standard that they place as ultimate so for the atheists or the secularists

Chasethey Place reason as ultimate or their feelings or science whatever as ultimate but trust the science right how'd that work out right

Chasethat needs to be a shirt so the point is um religion is inescapable right and so everybody has a faith commitment

Chasebut the faith commitment and reason cannot justify knowledge it actually causes experience to be absurd if you if you asked an atheist or a secularist or you guys

Chaseum how do you know anything at all and I've talked to people about this on the street many times well I know things through reason I know things through experience well I would then say how do you know your reasoning is

Chasereliable how do you know what you know and then they they have two options they could either say oh I know my reasoning is reliable because of science because of studies well that's a vicious circular

Chaseargument that they're committing or they could then say well I don't know I don't know whether my reasoning is reliable and they give up knowledge so this world view this secular human

Chaseworldview once you give up knowledge once you can't justify knowledge you then everything you do after that point makes no sense you're saying everything you do I mean

Chaseyou're assuming that you know things when you drive your car when you go to work you have to assume the uniformity in nature and God's design in order to live life in order to

Chasemake experience intelligible so I have a faith commitment in the Bible that makes all of experience intelligible it's so bad and they make they have a

Atlasfaith commitment and reason and experience through which they can know nothing at all higher power like like classic God Bible itself but what

Atlasif you believe in a higher power and you wager your decisions on whether a decision feels like it's going to bring you a light energy and peace versus a

Andrew Goldenheavy energy that's dark what about that like so one of the things that the Apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthians was that Satan himself masquerades as an

Andrew Goldenangel of Light but what if you do make pretty good decisions like you seem to be like a good I would I would say this I would say this every different religion

Andrew Goldenis making ultimate claims to truth and most of the time claims about where your soul is going to go when you die right

Andrew Goldenall of these different religions lead to different places Islam leads to one place they say you get there that way Christianity leads to one place they say you get there this way Buddhism Hinduism they're all leading to different places

Andrew Goldenand they're all making claims to truth the question is which one of them is right because if Christianity is true and you don't take the path that Jesus lays out for us you're not going to go

Brian Atlasto a place that you like you don't I do need to move redirect things back okay we haven't been talk for after the show then to the offender I have trouble with religion do the fact that okay all right

Brian Atlasum oh do we look we look kind of too dark here okay whatever it's fun um and it's fine it's fine um I have trouble with religion due to the fact that many of my family members died during my teens starting with my mother

Brian Atlasat age 10 I'd gone to eight family funerals in the span of eight years my father has been for lack of a better word a bomb since 2008 okay Bender the offender well thank you for good to see you back in the Chapman

Brian Atlasum well what's uh if you guys I can open this up to both of you guys if you can try to uh I can keep it brief keep it brief so oftentimes people will say well how can there be a

Brian AtlasGod because of XYZ terrible things happen to to other people happen to me happened in the world how can you know we have cancer we

Brian Atlashave uh we have disease we have um brain eating amoebas so what how can all these terrible things exist

Chaseyeah and also be like so I I think that's kind of what he's getting at so what's your answer to that you want to take that yeah um there's multiple ways to answer that there's wrong ways to answer it

Chaseum so it's the problem of evil right how can God be good and allow so much evil to exist you know and I get it it's extremely it's an emotional issue right all we all

Chasehave trauma that we go through and uh job certainly in the Bible uh dealt with great loss and yet he kept his faith in God so the one way to

Chaseyou know quote unquote rescue God from the problem of evil is say oh well there's free will now that doesn't really solve the problem or answer the objection very well because God is still Sovereign over the Free Will of man

Chaseso he still holds ultimate responsibility the way I would answer it is first number one you can't make sense out of right and wrong unless you start with the Christian worldview unless you start with the objective

Chasestandard of the word of God I've kind of talked about that already if you don't start there you just subjectivize everything and you lose knowledge and then the number two is you know God

Chaseallows evil to take place and he is not accountable to us to necessarily give us all the ins and outs and all the reasons why he allows evil to take place there is certain reasons he says all things is working together are working together for good

Chaseall things are working together for his glory he says that he's good I trust that he's good thoughts

Brian Atlaswhat does anybody know what this means is it World of Warcraft no that's definitely not World of Warcraft related is it Spanish I have no idea Georgia is that it's old Laden I think it's a part

Tryndallinaof the Bible I'm not correct me if I'm wrong but his name is okay

Chaseanyways let's get back to it where you want to you want to wrap that up yeah um so number one you can't make sense out of right and wrong unless you start with the Christian worldview and then number two

Chaseum God is not accountable to us to necessarily give us all the reasons for why he allows bad things to take place I trust that he has a good plan in mind job certainly did and he had a much worse life than I did and uh so if God

Chaseis good he must have a morally just reason for allowing to evil evil to take place but he's not accountable to us to give us every single reason

Andrew Goldenwe'll take a quick stab at it Brian unless you want to move on uh it's up to you man sorry maybe like 20 seconds 20 seconds yeah I'll just say this the story of human history is a

Andrew Goldenself-governance experiment in the Garden of Eden Adam and Eve chose to reject what God wanted for them they ate the fruit he promised them if you guys eat this fruit you will surely die

Andrew Goldensince then mankind has been trying to govern itself like Andrew said God gives us free will people can use that Free Will for good or for evil and people do evil with it and bad stuff happens in the world we

Andrew Goldenlive in a fallen world to the guy who sent in that comment I uh I was raised Christian for a period of time when I was a kid I lost my faith after my mom struggled with Lyme disease and then took her own life from it um

Andrew GoldenI looked at that and I thought to myself how could a good God exist my mom had faith in God she prayed for healing how could he let her go through this that killed my faith but God brought me back to him and I I look at all this now

Andrew Goldenand it's like dude the problem of evil it sucks man but because there's Brokenness in the world it doesn't mean that God is not good and we know actually that God is good because when God comes down to earth when Jesus

Andrew GoldenChrist Reigns on this Earth there will be no more sorrow there will be no more death there will be no more tears and that's what we look forward to man all right I'm heavy man if you want to have a good time come to the Bunny Ranch

Brian Atlasso okay okay okay okay okay okay um I'm gonna read this chat please guys if you're gonna Super Chat we've been off of dating for 20 30

Brian Atlasminutes now guys please can we respect please with the super chats guys if there's more that come through look I I have no issues with uh religious talk but you know it is a dating podcast I do want to be

Brian Atlasconsiderate of the other guests here uh so if any other religious chats come through I might just I'm letting you guys know we might just skip over it because it's kind of derailing the conversation guys so

Brian Atlasyeah all right uh I didn't mention translations because we both know those were necessary my point is Europeans interpretate again okay buddy the Bible differently than the Israelites who actually wrote the Bible thus uh false

Brian Atlasinterpretations equals false religion hijacking the book which was not yours okay there you have it um all right I don't even know where we left off here let me do a chat that's kind of related

Brian Atlasall right Lenny ladies and gents red flag green flag the guy's only source of income is through betting his earning admits he can't survive even the day in the wild and if you were dating him your dad doesn't think he's a man love the

Andrew GoldenPod by the way wait so is he is this a scenario is is he talking about are you saying Pig if he's a red flag or a green flag is it a red flag or a green flag if your

Air Force Amyguy yeah he's a gambler that's why he makes all of his income gambling red red you can't survive even a day in the wild yeah

Andrew Goldenlike in nature and your dad doesn't think he is a man I mean yeah okay okay let's add let's add one more

Wendydetail he's extremely successful at it makes like millions of dollars he's Rich she's like wait hold on

Andrew Goldenwhen he gambles he wins all the time or just like not all the time sometimes he takes huge losses but overall he's successful at it and he makes a ton of money but he can't survive a day in the wild and your dad does not think he's a man

Caitlin Perryyour dad thinks he's a sorry boy but he's Rich red flag or green flag you go still a red flag red flag I like naked and afraid and

Tryndallinaalone [Laughter] definitely read I want someone to protect me red flag addiction but he's Rich yeah okay

Brian Atlasum maybe green flag because if you keep swimming then maybe it's not gambling I'm rich yeah red flag okay all right there you have it um okay so some of you were so kind as to

Brian Atlasprovide some pre-show notes to us so uh starting with you Wendy I saw on your Instagram you consider yourself a five-star [ __ ]

Wendywhat is a five-star pitch is it like a five-star hotel no no not that I was just like I don't know I just consider like I

Wendyconsider me I consider me myself like pretty you know like um I don't know it's just like just means like I'm just like a five star like my rings just by star like I'm just I'm

Brian Atlasjust out of 10. oh yeah just checking yeah there's usually just five stars um uh let's see you also wrote there's there's no real

Wendylove out here anymore where in your messages to us you're like oh yeah yeah okay I'm like I'm like Oh I thought I was like on my Instagram I'm

Brian Atlaslike no no no no it was a caption that I put that on the messages you sent us um so is that because of the habitual cheating ex-boyfriend

Wendynot that it's like I try so many guys just

Brian Atlasuh what so many guys give you icks so first off what is an ick like um sometimes like like a girl just wants to hang out like

Wendyhave a friend you know they just like talk to you know and then half the time no mostly all the time they just like they just want to like [ __ ] but sure if you say no to it like then they're just

Wendylike they don't want to be your friend yeah and then they're no then they're all grouchy and stuff and like or like they start driving fast or just a bunch of like those are like yeah

Brian Atlasand then that's just happens more than it should wait so so basically like you have guys who you think are your friends or just like in general I just like I

Wendyjust tell them I literally text I'm like yeah we could hang out but like just hang out like I don't want to find nothing like I just like because I smoke you know like I smoke weed so I'm like oh if I wanna did you guys smoke before

Wendythe show I do I smoke she doesn't I didn't you sure yeah okay all right yeah okay so these guys hang out wait so you so they

Wendyusually attend saying oh like let's smoke like hang out like that you know yeah they want to have sex with you like but no but I tell them before we hang out like I don't you know like I don't want that and then

Tryndallinawhen I hang out with them like they like push themselves on me and I'm like no you know like I don't know if you have to tell them then you should probably just like stay away if you're not down for that because I think you're very dangerous I think you're around the

Brian Atlaswrong people I think this is what this is a perfect example of how men and women can't really be friends yeah I feel like it's a perfect example of no offense female

Atlasnaivete if dudes are asking you to smoke they probably want to hook up with you yeah you know I'm right but what if she just wants a free blunt oh is that what it is yeah that's what it is

Brian Atlassome honesty right there um sometimes like no what's it what's the term I usually say match it matching someone else so smoking someone else or just matching it matching it literally like

Brian AtlasI don't think I don't know if it's a great like so you meet you meet up with these guys just you you and the dude yeah she wants she wants to get smoked out and then she acts surprised when

Atlasthey're like yo I want to hook up with you and then they get mad what yeah yeah she might want to be their friend she

Andrew Goldenmight think that dude's funny like I don't have to open my eyes just because like what no would you hang out with any of these guys if they weren't smoking you out no yeah so let's

Wendyput that hole she might just wanna lose is it just because you just want to be smoking though sometimes I just get bored and they just say like oh hang out I'm like sure but

Brian AtlasI'm not looking for anything like I don't want to do anything you know and like why do like I have to force myself you know like I don't even know the dude and they just tell me like oh like so they the guys should 100 excuse

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