30,000+ Body Count?! Should Men Marry PRØSTITUTES? | Dating Talk #100

Date: 2023-09-13

Duration: 5h 08m

Guests

CCaitlin Perry >

AAnnie Lobert >

AAir Force Amy >

AAmy Dangerfield >

CChase (DT118)>

AAndrew Golden >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS(audience)

SPEAKER_01Amy Dangerfield(guest)

SPEAKER_02Annie Lobert(guest)

SPEAKER_03Tryndallina(guest)

SPEAKER_04Gigi Dior(guest)

SPEAKER_05Wendy(guest)

SPEAKER_06Caitlin Perry(guest)

SPEAKER_07Air Force Amy(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Chase(guest)

SPEAKER_11Andrew Golden(guest)

SPEAKER_13Atlas(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteAndrew Golden's viral 'repent and believe the gospel' quote replayed

“Brian plays Andrew Golden's viral clip. Andrew explains the story: Christian street evangelism in Houston, random interaction outside Handlebar bar. Clip blew up globally, biggest in Portuguese.”

Key MomentAnnie Lobert describes attorney client who came to her in drag as a submissive

“Annie describes a high-powered attorney client who would come to her door dressed in his mother's clothing, on his knees with money in his teeth. Never touched him — 'all tools.'”

Key MomentAnnie Lobert: cocaine overdose and heart attack conversion story

“Annie describes overdosing on cocaine August 2, 2003, having a heart attack, clinging to EMT's hand, fading in and out of consciousness, and crying out to Jesus. Doctor said she should have been dead from drugs in her system.”

Key MomentChase discloses he broke 3-year celibacy vow on-air

“Brian reveals context that Chase was previously celibate for ~3 years. Chase admits on-air he 'fell into temptation' and is no longer celibate. Still with same woman. Andrew is 'disappointed.'”

ControversyUnidentified woman confronts Andrew about not knowing how to speak to sex workers

“SPEAKER_14 intervenes to tell Andrew and Chase they don't understand how to speak to women from the sex industry — that they won't receive religious messaging delivered that way. Gets emotionally upset defending Amy's background.”

Key MomentAnnie Lobert body count: ~100 personal not counting forced sex work

“Body count round: Annie clarifies ~100 personal (including during pimp relationships) but not counting forced sex acts. Shocked the panel.”

Key MomentAir Force Amy: body count 'only God knows' — over 1,000 work clients

“Air Force Amy declines to estimate personal body count, says 'only God knows' for work. Confirms over 1,000 work encounters over 30+ year career.”

Other100th episode champagne toast

“Super chat donor (Mr. Meatball) triggers champagne celebration. Panel toasts to 100th episode, Bunny Ranch, and Hookers for Jesus.”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship status round

Brian introduces panel of 9 guests. Each introduces name, age, occupation. Follow-up: current relationship status, longest relationship.

Annie Lobert: trafficking, conversion, and ministry

Annie Lobert shares escape from sex trafficking, two pimp partners, cocaine overdose in 2003, heart attack and conversion to Christianity. Founded Hookers for Jesus, runs Pink Chair safe houses. Met husband Oz Fox (Stryper) on MySpace.

Air Force Amy: legal prostitution career and background

Air Force Amy explains 30+ year legal brothel career at Bunny Ranch, Nevada. Explains Nevada brothel law, county restrictions, equity ownership of 4 brothels. Military background (Air Force, Nellis AFB). First relationship at 55+ via Match.com during COVID.

Should men marry prostitutes / sex workers

Debate on whether men should marry women with high body counts or sex work history. Chase and Andrew (Christian perspective) argue body count and sexual history matter. Annie and Air Force Amy push back. Discussion of redemption, repentance, and social judgment.

Religion vs sex work: Christianity debate

Extended debate between Andrew/Chase (Christian) and Air Force Amy/panel about whether prostitution is sinful. Air Force Amy challenges judgment. Annie Lobert mediates. SPEAKER_14 (unidentified woman) confronts Andrew about speaking to sex workers with empathy.

Borderline Personality Disorder panel discussion

Caitlin discloses BPD diagnosis and favorite person symptom. Gigi Dior discloses recent BPD diagnosis and dissociation during adult film work. Amy Dangerfield cautions against over-diagnosis culture. Andrew argues BPD/mental health issues are spiritual in origin.

Childhood trauma and entry into sex work

Panel discusses correlation between absent fathers, childhood trauma, and entry into sex work. Annie and Gigi share personal trauma backgrounds. Chase and Andrew argue father absence is root cause.

Body count: does it matter?

Panel discusses whether body count matters in relationships. Body counts revealed: Wendy ~5-6, Atlas ~9, Caitlin ~12, Gigi ~15, Annie ~100 (personal), Air Force Amy 1000+. Brian argues body count x3 heuristic from American Pie.

Going out to bars: relationship boundaries

Scenario: new boyfriend asks girlfriend to stop going to bars/clubs. Most guests say they would comply if in a committed relationship.

100th episode champagne celebration

Show wraps with champagne toast for 100th episode, donated by super chat. Brian thanks panel and Mr. Meatball for patronage.

Transcript

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Andrew Goldenuh before dating I think very few people ask themselves that I think what women should work on cultivating femininity this is something especially a lot of working women like you know that they'll be like super in their masculine it's not super

Andrew Goldenattractive to guys when they're in their masculine cultivating femininity learning how to be soft learning how to like you guys said be nurturing and caring I you know of course wants a woman who's very Godly who loves Jesus

Andrew Goldenwith her whole heart who lives for him somebody who's going to be a really good Homemaker like those are the kind of things that I look for in a woman and a lot of guys do as well you know like a lot of guys want a woman that's going to be a good wife and be a good mother and

Chaseunderstanding what that entails I think is important for women before dating I mean women are cultivators you bring home the dough they turn it into bread you buy a house they turn it

Chaseinto a home yes and uh there's a there's another metaphor or picture of it it's like the guy the husband the man is the the one in the jungle chopping down all

Chasethe all the forest with the machete and the woman's coming behind him and cultivating into a garden right that's a woman's job she takes a little bit that you give her she turns it into

Chasesomething beautiful that's awesome and she works best in the context of marriage yes and submission to one man and submission to one man is actually very liberating because you don't have

Wendyto go out into the world and submit to every man so yep but we do need like a lot of men and things like that because that's what we're here for yeah not a lot of them

Wendyknow that that's why it's hard for women to actually like sit down with a guy because mostly men don't think like that they're all

Wendylike oh like girls are just [ __ ] and to come and go like that's how every man that I've came across or just like seen or my friends talk about is that's the

Wendyonly man that's ever brought up I meet a lot of guys that seem like they want to be the woman yeah like they're those sassy ones in the relationship if anything like

Brian Atlasall right we have another chat here Bender the offender heard Brian you never answered it yeah what's your answer bro my answer uh what is a woman's purpose

Brian Atlasgotta pump out seven sons let's go let's go yeah okay yeah let's go dude um no I mean uh what is a woman's purpose

Brian Atlasseven sons I guess that's pretty good what is a woman what what is a baby machine to Brian I'm I'm being an assistant guys okay before I get canceled I'm I'm being facetious here

Brian Atlasall right okay we have Bender the offender heard an interesting quote the other day women treat social media similarly to how men treat porn so

Amy DangerfieldI'm trying to think how to properly articulate this so guys men are high from porn wait okay women treats so I think men derive the dopamine hits the dopamine hits of the brain that you get from porn for men

Amy Dangerfieldis equivalent to women when they get that attention currency it is it's true yeah Fair because I think women make sense care more about

Air Force Amygetting attention how many women in high school were asked somebody okay stop stop stop stop we can't talk

Brian Atlascan you guys it's gonna violate the terms of service like things I just think it starts a lot earlier that's that's okay we need to not talk

Brian Atlasabout it on YouTube because it can ban the channel anyways moving on you want to hit uh we got through both the super chats yeah let me again um

Brian Atlaswe don't need a [ __ ] pathologize everything people all right Lenny I appreciate all the red flag votes now I need to clip it and send it to my future wife would love to be on the Pod as with my brother IG Lenny lips uh hey Lenny

Brian Atlasthank you very much appreciate it man um you got a DM I mean would love to uh if you want you can try to shoot a DM to uh whatever but um yeah

Brian Atlasthat's what we call a rejection yeah yeah okay um sorry going back to my notes um Caitlyn you said and I don't know if you kind of already went over this you said you had a crazy ex of three years broke

Brian Atlasup 10 plus times I think that's we we didn't hear them like that yes so you broke up ten plus times so it was on again off again was it mostly him breaking up with you or you I broke up with him every time you you always broke

Caitlin Perryup with him yes and then who would come back to who he would um create fake accounts on social media

Caitlin Perryhe would call me from his his parents phone his sister's phone his friends he had BPD his sisters emails um until I would like break and then

Caitlin Perrylike give him some sort of attention until he could manipulate and like then I would feel like okay like maybe he's changed and then I was just dumb on that aspect you did that 10 times good times

Caitlin Perryyeah damn yeah have you learned from it yes yeah yes what have you learned well I learned not to take guys back that cheat on me and then manipulate me and I

Caitlin Perrythink the first time I'm getting reached out first time one time through his sister's email then that's not good yeah although like I will say with with the

Brian Atlasgirl I was dating who had a BPD I this is gonna sound [ __ ] crazy but like when they're harassing you to that point it's kind of like this sound huh are you down for what when a woman's harassing

Brian Atlasyou that much no no no no no no no no not at all but it's kind of easier to get back with them than to continue dealing with the harassment yeah they're

Brian Atlasso persistent it's like it's okay they're gonna stop I know that sounds [ __ ] crazy worst relationship it was 100 you're not wrong

Brian Atlaswell it I mean you you need to be steadfast in no this is over leave me the [ __ ] alone yeah but like I I do get like when they're just

Brian AtlasRelentless like you block them because for most people you block them that's that should be enough but some people will I with my girl she'd call from other people's numbers yeah she'd go borrow some random dude's number from

Gigi Diorthe street who's this was it oh scare the [ __ ] out of me [ __ ] they'd come by your place and [ __ ] Chris Rock was the best one I ever learned what was it wrong when you learned a gray rock

Gigi Diorsomebody that's like that that is neutralizing like you just you're you do that you're a gray rock you literally like you just give them nothing you give them nothing you blend into the background you feed nothing because it's

Gigi Diordifficult enough not just with borderline personality disorder that's narcissism that's with so many other personality disorders but um yeah great once I realized that um somebody I was with was a narcissist I learned gray

Gigi Diorrocking because it's the love bombing and that's part of the love bombing they're like we promise everything will be bad and then you're back together and it's the honeymoon for a little while and then you can almost like set your

Gigi Diorstopwatch to the cycle so um but gray rocking was incredible you just lay back you block number if an unknown number comes up you send it to voicemail you

Atlasblock all emails it sounds 300 people out there that are like that though like is that like a generational thing like a generational issue right now is that a new thing that more people are kind of

Brian Atlaslike that my guy was almost I mean I think he's 16 years old age cohort there's people that are just Relentless and don't won't take no for an answer yeah uh let's see here uh you say it's

Brian Atlasrare to have an actual genuine relationship and I think you said that's what you want right um but uh I have to ask them you got back with him

Caitlin Perry10 plus times be honest there was there something exciting about the drama for you oh yeah it definitely like fed into like the like well because there's like so many

Caitlin Perryup and downs like it's like the excitement is like so exciting and it's like so awesome and it's so happy but then like also because it's right next to something that's so bad so it looks

Brian Atlasamazing you know what I mean I don't know so many women are addicted to the emotional roller coaster man the worst I heard this quote and it says you can do

Brian Atlasanything to or you can do anything to a woman but bore her it's real uh uh don't take it don't take it no I'm not like obviously I'm just saying like

Atlasfor me there's a lot of things I could think of that I just would not be interested anymore of course it's a generalization yes I

Tryndallinawas just kind of laughing but when you problems did you have like finding your mother for this like is that a um so no I went to my mom when my

Tryndallinarelationship was like heading that way yeah and she's was she a MILF though and she told me a little bit here she told you to do what sorry she told me I hadn't tried

Tryndallinahard enough to stick with it yeah the trauma dumping yeah she is uh wait she okay okay okay I'm cool I'm cool don't don't worry about don't worry okay uh

Brian AtlasSteve Casino everyone reading should know that Christians will not be married in the afterlife the holy journey is an individual one and when you submit to a man you do so in Christ command thoughts Christ commanded that we must follow in

Brian Atlastruth and Faith um my friend uh I you might not have you're you might just be tuning in you might not have caught it earlier I do want to try to keep things more dating related

Brian Atlasum thank you for the soup chat I had thoughts uh 10 seconds from Chase or Andrew on this but 10 seconds sometimes I think to

Andrew Goldenmyself man it would suck to not be married to the Gigi that was terrible timing but thank you very much so so I yeah thinking about that that is one of the things the Bible says that we

Andrew Goldenwon't be married in heaven and I think to myself man that kind of sucks because like what if you really really love your spouse and then you're just like not married to them in heaven anymore and then I think to myself maybe God is being maybe he's giving us Grace with

Andrew Goldenthat because think about all the people that are in terrible marriages that it would just suck to be in that marriage for eternity wait question so when you die literally forever oh till death do us part that's that's what you say when

Annie Lobertyou get remarried in heaven no you can't marriage there's no Mansion no it's so happy you don't need to be married oh you just love God and he just Jesus have the best time ever

Brian AtlasI don't think there's sex there's no sex I don't believe so I think there's something better I hope so dude says that there's a there's a there's a river that runs

Brian Atlasthrough the New Jerusalem I'm trying to catch some waves on that thing let's go is it chocolate okay [Laughter]

Chaseum Kevin is not gonna be some just you know aqueous ambiguous thing it's he's making all things new it's gonna be new heavens and new earth so it's going to be lit

Brian Atlaswork hope to see everybody there see here uh okay we had some notes Here

Brian Atlasum sorry guys I'm just getting caught up on my things uh

Brian AtlasAlina wait who's Elena oh okay it's trending trendelina okay so you mentioned in your pre-show thing why are men today so afraid to commit yes

Brian Atlasyes uh and I want to open this up to the panel do you maybe just show of hands do you think men struggle with commitment show of hands

Brian Atlasall of the women saying yes do you think women struggle with commitment too I don't struggle I know I look it's like this

Andrew GoldenI got a lot of male friends women oftentimes look to men hoping that they will want to commit I know a lot of dudes that are like yeah like I'm down to hang out with her and have sex with her but like I don't really want

Andrew Goldenanything more than that but women see that and they're just like really hoping that that man is going to want to love them and hold on to them forever a lot of dudes just like want to abuse women you know they want to change it women

Gigi Diorhave that Eternal hope of changing and be yond I can fix him I can fix him I can be the one that makes him commit that's that's what that's what a woman's heart that's

Andrew Goldenwhat a woman's heart like truly desires is to be the one that like makes him want to want her forever yep you know but like a lot of like what women oftentimes don't understand about men is like a lot of dudes like they'll find

Andrew Goldenyou attractive they'll want to sleep with you for a bit keep you around as long as it's a fun time but they don't really want anything more than that right you know and it's important for women to guard their hearts from that that's women get very hurt by guys

Amy Dangerfieldwhat'd you say that's what I do what I do when I tell them like I don't want like I'm just trying to smoke nothing more yeah and I think generally speaking like even like they're all high quality

Amy Dangerfieldmen out there for sure who would be down for commitment but I think that a big problem that a lot of men have is when they look at the dating climate like you know hypergamy is prevalent now more than ever promiscuity is more prevalent

Amy Dangerfieldnow more than ever so I feel like for a guy sometimes they just really want to get to know a girl that it's the right person before they dive into that commitment also a product of the times I do want to ask so

Brian Atlaswho who here's been I mean I think ever well maybe not Air Force aiming who here has been in a long-term relationship I think yeah probably everybody right sorry I didn't mean to throw you under

Brian Atlasthe bus there Amy I get paid to stay as well as I get paid to go away okay that is one of the benefits I guess of someone who procures your services

Brian Atlasum so uh of okay so not just when it comes to long-term relationships but of all the times where you've had to end

Brian Atlasthings with a guy or say I don't want to see you anymore so that could be from the first date all the way to you've been married for 20 years um or you've been in a relationship for

Brian Atlasthree months six months a year more often than not are you the one ending things or is the guy the one ending things all the way from first date hey had a good time

WendyI don't think it was a good fit all the way to babe been together for two years breaking up yeah usually when I go on a date I

Wendythat's when I hang out with you or when I go on a date with you that's when like um I decide after the day if I want to continue talking to you or I I usually

Wendyjust block them like when I'm not feeling like story just vlogged me like I don't like because I don't want to like just tell them like rain down wait wait wait wait Firestorm upon you you're telling me you will not reject the guys vocally you'll if you don't like them

Wendyyou'll just block them and like they will yeah like I don't even want to tell them like damn how many guys have you done this too mostly every guy that I don't find like I don't want to talk to

Andrew Goldenanymore that's pretty brutal oh my God that [ __ ] hurts oh I was just like have you considered just telling them hey like thanks for the date honestly I'm not interested like when they're really

Wendylike I've only had to do that like twice because they were like really sweet or they were my friends you know like we were trying to like you can't block your friends yeah you know like a dude who from the jump he was romantically

Brian Atlasinterested maybe you hung out once but you just weren't feeling it that's the dude you're gonna block Yeah well yeah you just said you're not gonna block how many how many guys that

Andrew Goldenyou've smoked with have you blocked she's hit up every yeah how many how many dudes do you think you've blocked

Andrew Goldenhave you seen my Blacklist yeah wait let's see it I love that block list while she's answering Caitlyn do you want to answer his question it was questioning okay you want to

Brian Atlasrephrase it okay so it's kind of complicated yeah because there's it's multifaceted so of all the times that you've had to say I don't want to see you anymore or initiate a breakup obviously you're not

Brian Atlasbreaking up with somebody who you've gone on one date with but of all the times you've you've been the one to say no when it comes to either just first date hey I had a good time but I I don't

Andrew Goldenthink uh I don't know what's a common thing what girls will say on the first day if they're not feeling the guy I don't think it was a good yeah no I don't know what the [ __ ] I just want to be friends I'm not sure how often are you the one to turn the

Caitlin Perryguys down all the way to you've also long-term relationship ending the long-term relationship um I mean I've ended every long term or every time me

Caitlin Perryand my ex would break up that was me um what about other situations like flings I think I've pretty much been the one to end it yeah I'm trying to think of a time

Wendythere's never been a guy who's like I don't want to keep seeing you I don't wanna like not really and not that I can think of no no that's fine um do you have your block list yeah but

Wendyhow many dudes are on it's not okay but I bet it's like more than like a hundred more than a hundred

Wendyit was like girls I don't like or just people yeah it's getting to the table a little more I'll be like I'd blog like just girls or just like okay you know like

Brian Atlasbut mostly but okay more often than not are you saying hey I no yeah first date all the way to long-term relationship okay what about you

Atlasum I don't even know I think a lot of the times it's probably me ending the relationship or and third

Gigi Diordate ending relationships um yeah just breaking up okay in general I would say I'm either ending it or I make them like just not want to be yeah like I make them just

Annie Lobertcrazy enough where I'm out of here yeah yep oh okay I gladly ended many relationships towards before I met Oz it was fun

Brian Atlasactually because I got him back because they were and really sure and the other component of this question is also not just relationships but also let's say you go on the first day with guy he asked for a second

Brian Atlasmaybe you got two two dates three dates more often than than not are you the one also in that instance saying hey I had a nice time but not not interested yes

Annie LobertI'm saying no before even going on to the date I'm just saying I'm not going on a date sure same with you oh we uh got a little further in the first couple dates and these men were both

Brian Atlastelling me that they were supposed to marry me that they said God told them okay I was supposed to marry them and I said uh I'm not hearing that for me air forcing

Air Force AmyAir Force Amy uh what about you the one relationship my head I ended but like on

Air Force Amya daily deal with rejection daily I was like daily all day long okay um yeah I would agree with the girls I end it or I would just kind of fade out

Tryndallinaif I didn't know how to like end it so both for long-term relationships like this the one I'm in now is my second long-term relationship and like I would never end it in my mind um so like

Amy Dangerfieldcasually dating then yeah just like at the end of the day it's like um we're not vibing are you okay with that okay Amy what about you I've been in like four or five long-term relationships I'd say it's about 50 50.

Brian Atlasyeah okay so the reason I'm asking this is because you said that uh trendelina you said why are men today so afraid to commit well

Brian Atlasonce we do commit it given all the answers you've provided women overwhelmingly end relationships and initiate divorce so for a cohort of

Brian Atlaspeople who seem so adamant about commitment you sure like to end said commitments at very disproportionate rates damn and men get absolutely destroyed in

Unknowndivorce alimony court costs lawyers fees so that makes the question why should men commit if you guys are the ones ending everything why are men today so afraid

Tryndallinato commit maybe because women disproportionately end relationships and initiate divorces I think most of the time women are gonna like end and like when I've ended things it's because it doesn't look like it's going to go anywhere

Brian Atlasmonogamous then you can have that conversation I think I think if there was infidelity that is a perfectly just justifiable reason to end a marriage or

Brian Atlasdivorce um however it's not clear to me if all the instances for all the girls here at the table when y'all didn't want to pursue

Brian Atlassomething or you ended a relationship I can't imagine in all instances it was due to infidelity or some sort of abuse no mainly just respect

Atlasyeah like why would I go on a few more dates with someone have them invest in me if I can feel already it's not worth it well that's to be fair the panel did raise their hands for both men and women

Atlasare afraid to commit um if In fairness but I think in general I it seemed more I think more agree with it

Brian Atlasum I do think women do want to commit more no you know I want I want to I want to make it just make one point yeah you you want to get the commitment when you get the commitment you break it all of a sudden

Brian Atlasoh I'm kind of bored I know I don't know women overwhelmingly initiate divorce they overwhelmingly end relationships

Brian Atlasall of you just we went around the table y'all said I would end it I would enter the relationship maybe sometimes hey the guy was a jerk maybe he was cheating on you but maybe there were times when

Tryndallinaa better option came along hypergamy has that happened yeah all right all right I gotta I got a point to make you guys there's this

Andrew Goldenquestion that's been floating around the table why are so many men afraid to commit one of the answers that I have to that is because many women are willing to

Andrew Goldengive up sex without commitment most young women today are willing to have sex with men without any commitment involved whatsoever and so if you give a

Andrew Goldenman sex which is what he wants without any sort of a commitment that subconsciously signals to those men you can have the thing that you want from me without any commitment to me right

Andrew Goldenthat's a problem you guys put yourselves in a disadvantaged situation by giving that up keep that in mind okay but if guys do want to do that then they're like I'm I'll take the girl she's

Atlaswilling to give it to me anyways then they're willing to also take whatever like disease or anything like that so like they're being just as dumb don't you think yeah there's a lot of dumb

Chasedudes out there for sure yeah but they can't bear children right they're not risking having a baby inside of them so it isn't that like feminism is great for promiscuous men they they love it you

Chaseknow feminism has made business Boom for promiscuous men um but ultimately when women are promiscuous they're devaluing themselves you're saying my body is not valuable I it's it's for

Chaseeverybody to see whenever you dress promiscuously or if you you know sell your body online you know you're saying my body is a cheap commodity that you can get for free or for just a few bucks what are you

Andrew GoldenI mean the thing is though is like it's it's basic supply and demand you know if there's scarcity of something if you won't give your body up to any man unless he's the right one like that's a very rare and valuable commodity if a

Andrew Goldenwoman will give it up to anybody who wants it it like it it's it's like it's like a Ferrari right not everybody can buy a Ferrari they're very expensive they're very valuable as a result people anybody can buy a bicycle right it's

Brian Atlasmuch less valuable if if anybody can I come in any excuse me can you not be texting during the podcast we just changed that okay all right sorry does that make sense though like like it's

Andrew Goldenit's not an indictment of like you as a person but you like women who are willing to give men sex without any commitment from them like they're decreasing the value of that but I do want a commitment of financial I want a

Andrew Goldenfinancial commitment and not everybody can get laid there's supply and demand yeah sorry I didn't mean any any thoughts on

Chasethat Andrew so here we go what was that so there that you need cash I don't even have a financial commitment she's saying it's not free you got to pay for it yeah well

Chaseyeah you you have to pay even in marriage you there's an exchange of money there like um but it actually costs the man way more to marry a woman than to just hook up with a woman on the side right that's

Chasea lot more divorced too yeah so if you if you're a woman and you save yourself for marriage and you don't dress promiscuously you don't sell your pictures online you're treating your body as a high value commodity yeah and

Air Force Amyyou know uh men will treat a lot more for a minute what's what's the value of something the value is what someone's willing to pay for it what are you willing to pay for this cup that's the value

Andrew Goldenyeah the value you can also assign that this is the thing you can also assign that value as a woman you can tell yourself and other men I will not give you my body without any without a firm

Andrew Goldencommitment right a woman who refuses to have sex with men outside of marriage sex with her is going to be very valuable but if a woman is just willing to sleep with any guy who will give her attention her sex is much less valuable

Andrew Goldenthan the woman who won't give it to a guy without commitment right so it goes back to the central question why are so many men afraid to commit because you guys not you guys but just generally

Andrew Goldensome of you guys but generally speaking most young women nowadays are willing to have sex with men without any sort of a commitment involved and so you're giving the guy the thing that he wants without you getting the thing in return that you

Tryndallinawant but don't you feel like you're undermining men a little bit like because you're kind of making it out that men look at women as a commodity say that again so you feel like you might be undermining men a little bit like saying you're giving it what they

Amy Dangerfieldwant men just want sex like they often that comes to their Primal con or nature like that is very natural with it that's where we're able to no they don't get a pass it's still wrong it's wrong for men to it's it's wrong for men to run

Amy Dangerfieldthrough but women are The Gatekeepers of sex at the end just one second please make a great time glad to see you backbase chase you need

TTSto become a co-host we need you except Brian's offer women on the panel what do you bring to a relationship and what do you think men want from you w Chase and hash Christ his King in the chat let's

Andrew Goldengo thank you we'll pull this back up Chase had the point we'll come back to it yeah you you just delivered a great point which is that women are The Gatekeepers of sex

Andrew Goldenyou guys choose who you will have sex with you choose what men get sex men are The Gatekeepers of commitment so you guys get to choose who you're

Andrew Goldengoing to have sex with we choose who gets commitment and if you don't give men sex you're not going to have to worry about dudes who won't commit you're going to filter them out

Andrew Goldenbut the guy if you're giving men to sex outside of marriage or a committed relationship all the guys that aren't interested and committed they're going to take advantage of that does that make sense and value isn't just in monetary terms either like to

Amy Dangerfieldwhat you were saying as well like when we're talking about being a high value woman being a high value man what's worth having doesn't come easy most of the time and that's just a fact with all things in life like this guy is blue my hair is brown I didn't make it so it's

Andrew Goldenjust how the world Works yes the most valuable things the most valuable things are very difficult to attain if sex with a woman is very difficult to attain that is going to make the right kind of man

Andrew Goldenreally want to get it by doing the things he needs to do right Christian women if they're reserving sex for marriage they're going to weed out all of the guys that don't want to commit to them that just want to use

Andrew Goldenthem they're only going to get the guys that really want them as a person you know it's good I had a ring on that said True Love Waits and when I had my first date with

Andrew GoldenOz I put in his face and I said you see this ring you ain't getting nothing from me until I see a ring there you go this is this is like like that's how you get a good man I heard him on I have so much

Andrew GoldenI have so much empathy for this problem that women have like wondering where where all the real men and the men who want to commit like it's it's so many women struggle to find guys who actually want to commit to them but the thing is like I wish all young women under today

Andrew Goldenunderstood this because so many women get heartbroken over and over by guys that just want to take advantage of them it's like if you as a woman made the commitment to yourself I'm not going to

Andrew Goldenhave sex until marriage you're going to filter out every every single guy that isn't right for you every single guy who doesn't truly love you for who you are and want to keep you for the rest of

Andrew Goldenyour life every guy who doesn't fit that bill he's gone but the one who really really loves you and wants to keep you for the rest of your life that's the one who's gonna stick around I just got to

Brian Atlascome in as a sinner here I'll commit to a woman and we could we could have sex before marriage I'm just saying just saying I was wondering a lot of

Air Force Amyguys will guys sell those rotten you guys they can come see me okay I I just I have a slight issue with what Chase just said only because

Gigi DiorI was married under the guise of God right and we lived a Christian like lifestyle and it was

Gigi Diorstill the wrong person yeah it does happen it does like I think to throw it out there as a generalization I think is is insincere because there are still the

Gigi Diorsituations out there that uh we were in a committed relationship um he like I mean for sexual reasons um I had

Gigi Diorother instances that had led to him not being my first but not you're you're catching what I'm saying yeah um but he was by all intents and

Gigi Diorpurposes my only and for a very very very long time so I think that you think that the right man will come to you when you uh when you abandon all those other

Andrew Goldenthings I think can still be I think it's a great message it's a fair point I see what you're a little bit of fairies I see I wouldn't say it's fairy tale I see what you're saying what I would just say

Chaseis it's not going to make you find it the perfect guy but it's definitely going to filter out all of the wrong guys in my opinion you still need Christ right if you have Christ the center of your relationship you know it's not

Gigi Diorgoing to fall apart if both of you are in well we did and even clearly he didn't though he didn't and and even his family like they've ousted me still to this day not because of what I do but

Gigi Diorbecause I divorced their son regardless of his actions they know he cheated on you with 12 women and they um they are the front view of the church

Gigi Diorevery Sunday today they're the ones you know cooking for every potluck you know taking taking it so I just like I I just still find fault in it and I I

Andrew Goldenyeah I'm not saying I'm not saying it's a perfect solution I'm just saying most women give sex away too easily to men who I have no interest in committing at all in the first place quick question uh in Christianity if there's infidelity is

Brian Atlasthat that's grounds for divorce According To Jesus okay thank you got it um okay we have let me see here the one that came up before I'll get that really quick uh the question for the panel is women on the panel what do

Brian Atlasyou bring to a relationship and what do you think men want from you that's good all right we'll start with you we'll go around go ahead I feel like we should start from the other side this time you think yeah

Amy Dangerfieldthey have to wait like an hour until it gets to them okay okay sure we'll try to go around quick I think just like honor and respect is a huge one um I think very often times it's also what not to do as well I've spoken about

Amy Dangerfieldthis extensively I think that women are very quick to disrespect their man um whether that is personally or publicly uh you know disparaging him in any type of way I think honor and respect is the number one thing for me

Tryndallinathat's what you bring to a relationship and you think that's what men want in a relationship okay um I couldn't agree with you more because we're long distance we're always talking and like listening to each other

Tryndallinaso he tells me like I I make him feel respected he feels like supported and like not judged so that's what I bring

Air Force Amyto a relationship if I had a relationship and it was um

Air Force Amymonogamous it would be um God it would be fun I'll tell you what it would be exciting and

Air Force Amyum I'm very very affectionate and very committal and loyal and um would you would you stop doing the kind of work you're doing if you're in a

Air Force Amyrelationship if I found the guy oh yeah 100 100 yeah her DMS are open right your DMs are open can we yo can we get Amy

Air Force Amyshow is because I don't know how to date how would I go on a date with somebody and delineate between an out date where someone spends money

Air Force Amyif he whips out his wallet in it like in any day you know what I mean yeah you know it's like that's fine but but then I go through the Bunny Ranch and it's like I get paid and then I can't

Air Force Amysee the guy outside again without paying them so I'm like totally just like wait you pay you're paying for the dates no if I go if I if someone pays me and then it has to go through the Bunny Ranch and

Brian Atlasthen if they ever see me again it still has to go through the Bunny Ranch so you're not meeting anyone outside of the bus I don't meet anyone outside the bunny room I'm gonna give you a 30 second breakdown on how to get you a man

Brian AtlasI don't know if it's gonna be the ideal man but we're gonna get you man okay we need you I need you on Tinder Bumble hinge Farmers Only and Christian Mingle

Air Force AmyFarmers maybe not Christian I take that one back that's why I'm on here is because no I'm on some very expensive dating apps and guys

Air Force Amyand then once they find out who I am and my name my real name is totally interchangeable with Air Force Amy so there's no way I can hide out hide who I am and then it's going to be like like

Air Force Amyyou guys like bash prostitutes and they're about the same level as drug dealers so it'd be like oh oh yeah so I could just go ahead so I can just go ahead so I can just go ahead and have

Air Force Amysex with her because she's already prostitute and it would just be okay so who cares so I think you're gonna find someone else I'm gonna give you some games

Air Force Amyno how could I find anyone that's ever since they would be like oh that's Air Force Amy I'm gonna play this yeah never

Air Force Amyoh no these guys come after me like crazy they're the sugar babies they're like hot and you know they all want me so why not why not there you go maybe you gotta get a sugar baby son anointing someone with some intelligence dude oh

Air Force Amyintelligence someone needs to take over the show

Nickfor way too long word okay Brian you trying to help run the show dog you know you know Brian get down on one knee um what I said Brian get down on one

Nickknee I think what you got it come on Brian step up to the plate dog be a man you should have a button that's like psyi

Brian Atlasum [Laughter]

Brian AtlasAmy we need to get you on would you ever date a guy would you date a guy who's overweight who's obese well you know what it's epic okay is that big does the

Brian Atlaschicken nowadays stop it what what do you think about men who read comic books

Andrew Goldenis your Instagram tag uh did you give it to Brian it's in there they need to put in applications all right all right fellas Amy is looking for a husband she's looking for a man that's ready to

Andrew Goldentake over the show slide into her DM slide into her DMS okay there you go I get that every day already oh so are you responding you know what you gotta do

Andrew Goldenyou know what you gotta do Amy filter no sex until marriage then you'll see who's real and who's not yup

Andrew Goldenit depends on what the guy is looking for because he might not be down with that do you find Cox attractive

Atlas[ __ ] attractive but spell that c-u-c-k because like he would like to watch her like bang dudes out or what yeah I guess like her husband would like be like a Boyer while you're with there

Atlasare cucks out there yeah I think of them out there maybe there's a lot of them is down to date you and likes to watch

Air Force Amyyou a guy take it no but a guy who is turned on by the fact that you're no we used to have one like that oh my goodness yeah we had we had a husband I'm just saying

Air Force Amyyeah given we had a closet made for them in a little hole and he watched her work you might have to marry him you might have to go to the casino for that though you shouldn't have to settle

Andrew Goldenfor that well I would recommend if we're seriously talking about marriage not settling for a cook because that's not going to be the man that's going to take over the show or a man with any self-respect no I

Air Force Amythink he's going to be the local Air Matchmaker because I just

Tryndallinaand then prioritize because at the moment you said that you want someone and then you said you want to keep working all right all right and then you said guys guys guys guys guys guys ladies ladies ladies ladies all right this is a

Andrew Goldenridiculous conversation if we do want to talk about it seriously for a moment if we want to talk about it seriously for a moment here's what I would say retire period you said you said that you're rich I'm gonna take your word on that if you are serious about this I'm

Andrew Goldentelling you no more working for a little while see who DMS you no sex until marriage because then you're not going to get any dudes that are jerking your chain you'll know who's serious and who's not no working for a while either because no dude who's seriously

Andrew Goldeninterested in you and wants to make you his wife is going to want you banging a bunch of John's okay so if you can if you can stick that out for like one or two years I don't know how expensive your lifestyle is so you got some nice jewelry maybe hold off on buying some

Andrew Goldenmore you know stick out for one or two years you might be able to find a husband the only other option besides that and I'll let you come in after this you are going to have to move to some

Brian Atlassmall [ __ ] country in Europe change your name change your identity and I don't even know if that'll work uh you're gonna that's I don't think I think that's it I think I kind of have a

Air Force Amyplan oh yeah what's your plan what's your plan I'm gonna uh write the book you can write a book write a book sell the rights sell the rights yeah and just sounds like a song yeah and you probably

Air Force Amyyou probably write a crazy autobiography of other um things I want to produce and like so write the Books how to meet the guy and just like travel and and write and and do that is what I want she's

Brian Atlashere pray for him yeah and your story cookers all right let's pray for him here let's come back to the original question what do you bring to a relationship so uh uh

Annie LobertAnnie excuse me what do you um my well my princessness and I serve my husband with my love and I'm his help mate and

Annie Loberthe had brain cancer and I researched doctors and he submitted to me researching the neurosurgeons so he is alive today because of what I did for him wow you are an amazing wife what about you thank you I bring

Gigi Diorcommunication um and I think that that's a huge Missing Link in today's societal and relationships I think like you had said is as early as um stating that you're in a committed

Gigi Diorrelationship and you're not dating other people all the way to you know continuing keeping that line of communication open is huge I think okay being able to open up sure

Atlasum I bring authenticity and I'm quite serving as well like authentic authenticity like I'm just myself all the time it's not going to be like oh you get to know me a little bit longer

Atlasand then I'm a completely different person like I am who I say I am um and I'm very loyal so funny

Atlasnot to Brian but sunlight wait what nothing I'm saying not to Brian but some might think well when you think okay do I go here wait you can do you have

Atlasany plastic surgery yes Vegas lip fillers yeah BBL what BBL no but

Atlasthank you no but okay no lipo yes to put into this into the today's yes

Atlascan you really be authentic you know what I mean okay understandable

Atlasum but I was truthful about it you know so you asked me and I was like yeah absolutely I did do that and so that is me at this point right perhaps in your well in your physical appearance you're

Atlasinauthentic in the sense of like are you all naturally yourself um well yeah I mean I answered that I said I said no I kind of meant more

Atlasauthentic in personality like there's no smoke and mirrors I'll be like true like okay I'm true to myself um but yeah I do like partake in

Gigi Diorsomething there's very few women who are truly authentic I mean we all color our hair we all wax our eyebrows most girls wear makeup like there's degrees there's degrees of authenticity but well because

Brian Atlasthat was the armpit here what the [ __ ] [Laughter] now and then there's bbls and like all that kind of crazy

Brian Atlas[ __ ] what I see on dating apps I'll see like a woman who's like oh I'm really about people who are real and genuine and authentic and every single photo of them on the

Brian Atlasdating app full face of makeup filter lip filler fake tits I'm like breath you are not authentic in your physical appearance you are in fact you're kind of

Brian Atlasmisrepresenting your physical appearance on the dating app and it's it's pretty I think it's very inauthentic you could not just in your physical appearance but the fact that you are misrepresenting because obviously for both men and women

Brian Atlasphysical appearance is very important physical attractiveness is very important I think probably most girls here would agree I think men probably care a little bit more about physical parents than women do I would say a lot more

Brian AtlasI think women care about it quite a lot but I think probably men are pretty invested in it so when you're misrepresenting on these dating apps oh big old fake titties lip fillers makeup face filters wait are

Brian Atlasyou there's not one photo of you that's like here's me without any makeup I think that's uh that's aching to a man

Atlasbasically lying about his career oh I'm rich I'm a doctor I'm attorney um don't you think that like maybe like the guy would be like I want to get on a FaceTime with you get to know you a little bit before we go out onto a date

Atlasand then maybe there's some makeup and they're using good lighting and not like that's fair I think something for me personally um so I've uh something that I struggle

Atlaswith because obviously I am a content creator and I'm on like Tick Tock and different things like that and so when I came into the sphere as making that kind of content I was like struggling with

Atlaslike why don't I look like all the other girls I'm seeing and so I fell into like those things and so it seems like it does help you

Atlasmake more money to do that but then something that I was able to kind of like test out with my particular following is a lot of them wanted me to start going live a lot of them wanted me to go live on Twitter and I was just

Atlasreally honest with them and I was like look I feel awkward because there's always like a filter on and things like that and so like I'm sitting here like being vulnerable and I'm not on a filter and blah blah and I was just

Atlasreally honest about it because I was like I feel like look one this way but now I'm representing like my true self and people were really kind they were like we like you better this way like

Atlaskeep coming on Twitter like you know so I don't know if it really is necessarily it's kind of

Brian AtlasI'm not sure but this is exactly why we ought to elevate women who are just moving in their natural beauty and don't feel like if we're elevating [ __ ] Kim

Brian AtlasKardashian of course [ __ ] a ton of young women who are impressionable are gonna be like whoa I don't look like that okay let me go get a [ __ ] BBL let me go get some fake tits let me go get lip filler let me [ __ ] up my face let me go get botched I don't think we

Gigi Diorshould be um what are these 20 year olds gonna look like in 20 years with all this filler like it's going to be insane can I say I think you guys are a lot nicer I

Air Force Amylook like really bad on this show what you look amazing

Amy DangerfieldI'm curious to know your thoughts on something Brian it's you guys as well sir I I have a friend he met a girl in a dating app and she looked incredible on the app like amazing she drove from Fort

Amy DangerfieldLauderdale to my Miami to come down and meet with him they met up in the apartment briefly for drinks before going out on the town and this girl looked nothing like any of her pictures now I don't necessarily agree with how

Amy Dangerfieldhe handled it what he did was he said okay let's go downstairs we're gonna go to the club they walk downstairs and he said oh I left my phone in my apartment you went back upstairs and texted her and he said I'm sorry like I'm just not

Amy Dangerfieldabout it like and honestly like you're I think that's okay be a little bit more authentic with what you're marketing yeah I I'm a man I mean I think probably curved shout out to him

Andrew Goldenperhaps he could have done it in a more I think away I know yeah you can do it in a respectful way but if you catfish the absolute hell out of somebody like and then you and then you curve that

Andrew Goldenperson it's like whatever you know like I I don't know yeah I'd be so mad if I got super catfished by a chick like that right yeah I mean I think I'm the worst I think I have a pretty good eyeball like a vision for when the girls are

Atlasreally filtered and yeah but I think some men are not quite as attuned to like oh it's the filter I couldn't tell when I first started I was like oh my God why does everyone look absolutely

Tryndallinaperfect yeah so it took me a long time to figure it out so what do they think is gonna happen there when they like see the person in real life

Gigi Diorthat's what is happening with a lot of like Instagram models is they put so many filters and so many different things on and then when people meet them in real life they look nothing and I

Air Force Amythink that's really sad they have like those pick those um those pages that out them and you see the ones I just think it's going to be really sad when you're an old lady looking back at those pictures with your friends your family

Gigi Diorthose selfies of you like you're gonna look back on them with regret for not embracing the beauty that you the beauty that you were yeah I know I find me when I was 19 and I'm like oh I was awful you look back at 19 now you're like wow yeah

Amy Dangerfielddang I wish I could look like 19 again like I feel like you're depriving your future self of those feelings and yeah so many uh so many other things absolutely absolutely I used to face June a lot of

Amy Dangerfieldpictures and stuff like that and I literally deleted like my Instagram has very minimal pictures on it I deleted every single face stream picture every picture that was edited um and well I get why women do it

Brian Atlasbecause like if it's kind of like let's say you're a professional athlete and everybody else is on steroids and you're not your career prospects are going to be minimized because you're not you know

Brian Atlasyou're not doing the status quo everyone else is doing you're not able to be competitive with the other athletes so I I mean it makes sense to me why women do it because every other almost every

Brian Atlasother woman is blasted in full face of makeup filters and yeah it's hard makeup's not enough anymore straight up AI like changing the

Gigi Diorstructure of women's faces there's an AI on Instagram she has her entire like she's not even a real person and she has there's a lot of pages like that she has like five thousand

Andrew Goldenfollowers and she's not even real you know what's crazy is like dudes will figure out how to make women in Ai and then they'll they'll like interact with the women other dudes they don't interact with the dudes no they'll interact with like like so like say like

Andrew GoldenI is one of these guys I like go on an AI create a profile for some like fake AI girl then a bunch of dudes start following the girl and then they'll message the guy the guys that are

Andrew Goldenfollowing them and be like oh hey baby then then they will make nude photos of the woman through AI open and only fans and then guys will buy that smart it's

Atlasuh it's like it's it's evil but it's like an insane

Andrew GoldenI mean it's like usually like dumb dudes that are following these like women you know like if you if you really look at it you can tell it's fake because she's imposed in Italy and she's imposed well you can tell because like you'll look at

Andrew Goldenthe details on the body and you can tell yeah you look at the hands yeah together the AI girls are like unbelievably beautiful in terms of like the symmetry

Brian Atlasof their faces and stuff so guys will follow and be like oh my gosh and then they buy their only fans oh my gosh there's a freaking crazy AI chicks are coming for your jobs okay um yeah but I mean just real quick when it comes to

Brian Atlasthe plastic surgery stuff like I my personal position is let's say take a girl who had an A cup or she was totally flat I would prefer that than her with

Brian Atlasbig giant fake titties you know or like for butts not that big I prefer like what I prefer flat big giant fake titties than like uh BBL or I'd even prefer a girl with a little if she got a

Brian Atlaslittle belly fat like when you okay if you bend over like this scrunch you know what I'm saying like yeah unless your body fat percentage is really [ __ ] low like if you're bending over or something you're gonna

Brian Atlasget a little belly so I prefer a little belly than a girl who has the Lipo belly one time love that about you but but the numbers over the lip filler I've

Atlasbeen I was before I became an only fans Creator I've only been doing only fans for less than a year but I was a stripper for the last 11 years and

Atlasum when I was smaller chested yes I made good money but after I got the little work done or whatever my money went up

Atlasevery time I did something different every single time okay I mean yeah so I mean I get it I guess but

Amy Dangerfieldversus being in a strip club where they're like explicitly going there to get like turned on right versus a guy who's looking to date that ideal kind of girl that makes sense I mean even okay but even like if I'm thinking even

Brian Atlassexually well I'm thinking yeah even sexually you're turned off by it like even for like a one-night stand or something yeah I would I would prefer like a more natural even if she got

Brian Atlasyou know what's crazy if you look at if you look at um Greek sculptures or ancient sculptures right of women they don't have these giant [ __ ] knockers

Brian Atlasthey've got like what they got eight cups they're not like you know you know what I mean um so uh

Andrew Goldenis with women who get a lot of work done I feel like I'm getting catfished as to what my children's genetics

Andrew Goldenask them for pictures of themselves before they got the work done and that's I mean I can I can spot it for from like a mile away but like if I was with a chicken I found out she had a ton of

Andrew Goldenwork done I'd be like yo what's a ton yeah I mean women will like totally change what their faces look like you know and then you have no idea what the original even looked like like some women will get like crazy nose jobs where their nose will look totally different from what it looked like

Andrew Goldenbefore and it's like I want to know what that looked like before you know what are my kids gonna look like yeah do work on the chin on the cheeks on the eyes the forehead

Brian Atlasand the other thing with plastic surgery look all of you have been very lovely tonight I know some of you have plastic surgery I don't you want I don't disdain any of you for that you have plastic surgery or

Brian Atlaswhatever um I do think that women who have plastic surgery are probably more high maintenance true or false in what sense in what sense

Brian Atlasbreast implant uh saline and silicone breast implants are approved or for the FDA it's 10 to 20 years now sometimes they can last longer than that however in your

Brian Atlaslifetime if you have breast implants you're probably looking at one two maybe three times having to uh have them replaced so when I'm looking at a girl who's has a lot of work done or wants to

Brian Atlasget a lot of work done I'm thinking okay I would much rather divert my financial resources to a UTI uh to my children in some sort of utilitarian way instead of

Gigi Diorplacating your insecurity okay that's totally fair I security came from her children from having children well look I mean makeover that's something that I can bring to a relationship I already have all my work done

Brian Atlasif if my wife or my friends

Brian Atlasloud house motorcycle going by um me personally right if my wife had stretch marks on her belly after having given birth um

Andrew GoldenI'm still gonna love her uh but it's not about you loving her it's about her loving herself I mean she came to you and was I feel like people should be able to love

Andrew Goldenthemselves without getting cosmetic work done I agree with you I agree with you should but I would say inner healing before exterior surgical cutting

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