30,000+ Body Count?! Should Men Marry PRØSTITUTES? | Dating Talk #100

Date: 2023-09-13

Duration: 5h 08m

Guests

CCaitlin Perry >

AAnnie Lobert >

AAir Force Amy >

AAmy Dangerfield >

CChase (DT118)>

AAndrew Golden >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS(audience)

SPEAKER_01Amy Dangerfield(guest)

SPEAKER_02Annie Lobert(guest)

SPEAKER_03Tryndallina(guest)

SPEAKER_04Gigi Dior(guest)

SPEAKER_05Wendy(guest)

SPEAKER_06Caitlin Perry(guest)

SPEAKER_07Air Force Amy(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Chase(guest)

SPEAKER_11Andrew Golden(guest)

SPEAKER_13Atlas(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteAndrew Golden's viral 'repent and believe the gospel' quote replayed

“Brian plays Andrew Golden's viral clip. Andrew explains the story: Christian street evangelism in Houston, random interaction outside Handlebar bar. Clip blew up globally, biggest in Portuguese.”

Key MomentAnnie Lobert describes attorney client who came to her in drag as a submissive

“Annie describes a high-powered attorney client who would come to her door dressed in his mother's clothing, on his knees with money in his teeth. Never touched him — 'all tools.'”

Key MomentAnnie Lobert: cocaine overdose and heart attack conversion story

“Annie describes overdosing on cocaine August 2, 2003, having a heart attack, clinging to EMT's hand, fading in and out of consciousness, and crying out to Jesus. Doctor said she should have been dead from drugs in her system.”

Key MomentChase discloses he broke 3-year celibacy vow on-air

“Brian reveals context that Chase was previously celibate for ~3 years. Chase admits on-air he 'fell into temptation' and is no longer celibate. Still with same woman. Andrew is 'disappointed.'”

ControversyUnidentified woman confronts Andrew about not knowing how to speak to sex workers

“SPEAKER_14 intervenes to tell Andrew and Chase they don't understand how to speak to women from the sex industry — that they won't receive religious messaging delivered that way. Gets emotionally upset defending Amy's background.”

Key MomentAnnie Lobert body count: ~100 personal not counting forced sex work

“Body count round: Annie clarifies ~100 personal (including during pimp relationships) but not counting forced sex acts. Shocked the panel.”

Key MomentAir Force Amy: body count 'only God knows' — over 1,000 work clients

“Air Force Amy declines to estimate personal body count, says 'only God knows' for work. Confirms over 1,000 work encounters over 30+ year career.”

Other100th episode champagne toast

“Super chat donor (Mr. Meatball) triggers champagne celebration. Panel toasts to 100th episode, Bunny Ranch, and Hookers for Jesus.”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship status round

Brian introduces panel of 9 guests. Each introduces name, age, occupation. Follow-up: current relationship status, longest relationship.

Annie Lobert: trafficking, conversion, and ministry

Annie Lobert shares escape from sex trafficking, two pimp partners, cocaine overdose in 2003, heart attack and conversion to Christianity. Founded Hookers for Jesus, runs Pink Chair safe houses. Met husband Oz Fox (Stryper) on MySpace.

Air Force Amy: legal prostitution career and background

Air Force Amy explains 30+ year legal brothel career at Bunny Ranch, Nevada. Explains Nevada brothel law, county restrictions, equity ownership of 4 brothels. Military background (Air Force, Nellis AFB). First relationship at 55+ via Match.com during COVID.

Should men marry prostitutes / sex workers

Debate on whether men should marry women with high body counts or sex work history. Chase and Andrew (Christian perspective) argue body count and sexual history matter. Annie and Air Force Amy push back. Discussion of redemption, repentance, and social judgment.

Religion vs sex work: Christianity debate

Extended debate between Andrew/Chase (Christian) and Air Force Amy/panel about whether prostitution is sinful. Air Force Amy challenges judgment. Annie Lobert mediates. SPEAKER_14 (unidentified woman) confronts Andrew about speaking to sex workers with empathy.

Borderline Personality Disorder panel discussion

Caitlin discloses BPD diagnosis and favorite person symptom. Gigi Dior discloses recent BPD diagnosis and dissociation during adult film work. Amy Dangerfield cautions against over-diagnosis culture. Andrew argues BPD/mental health issues are spiritual in origin.

Childhood trauma and entry into sex work

Panel discusses correlation between absent fathers, childhood trauma, and entry into sex work. Annie and Gigi share personal trauma backgrounds. Chase and Andrew argue father absence is root cause.

Body count: does it matter?

Panel discusses whether body count matters in relationships. Body counts revealed: Wendy ~5-6, Atlas ~9, Caitlin ~12, Gigi ~15, Annie ~100 (personal), Air Force Amy 1000+. Brian argues body count x3 heuristic from American Pie.

Going out to bars: relationship boundaries

Scenario: new boyfriend asks girlfriend to stop going to bars/clubs. Most guests say they would comply if in a committed relationship.

100th episode champagne celebration

Show wraps with champagne toast for 100th episode, donated by super chat. Brian thanks panel and Mr. Meatball for patronage.

Transcript

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Wendyum my name is Wendy I'm 19 and um I do catering and student too right

Brian Atlasstudent yeah okay what are you studying um criminal justice okay do you want to go into law enforcement you want to be a lawyer what do you what do you think I'm going to law enforcement okay like

Caitlin Perrypolice officer FBI FBI okay Federal Bureau of Investigation there you go all right watch out guys okay go ahead I'm Caitlin Perry I'm 18 years old and

Brian Atlasthen I'm a server Surfer a server I was like sick rock and roll um okay and are you also a student no I'm taking a gap year this year taking a

Brian Atlasgap year okay gotcha uh when you go back do you know what you'll be studying most likely business okay I feel like it's just common got it what about you

Atlasum my name is atlas and I'm a nursing student and I do only fans age oh 55. you're you're 55 years old she's not 55.

Brian Atlas67. what no what's your what's your actual age 30 25 are you just gonna troll or what's going on can you give us a real Edge I was gonna have people try to guess is that

Brian Atlasokay [Music] um can you boost the audio a little bit nick uh it seems quiet is it not okay I want to be respectful interacting

Gigi Diorare you actually yeah surprising okay thank you for wasting 20 seconds of the show's time go ahead hi I'm Gigi Dior I'm 41 and I'm an adult

Annie Lobertfilm star all right welcome thanks I'm Annie lobert and I'm a non-profit owner and founder of hookers for Jesus

Brian Atlasand we help people that are drowning in the waters of sex trafficking is that too you said you said you guys help people that's right uh let's not

Brian Atlaslet's not uh that's trafficking let's use that yo FDT thank you very much for the memberships um and I'm 55. 55. okay you guys help

Air Force Amypeople get out of that industry nice God bless you guys for that um Air Force Amy

Air Force Amyworld famous legal prostitute I work at the world famous Bunny Ranch and I'm 55 plus okay there you go there you go welcome

Tryndallinathank you thank you my name is tryndallina I'm 24 and I do data I just data analysts okay oh and I have a school in Cambodia and where a school

Tryndallinawhere in Cambodia Cambodia yeah what's what's your school in Cambodia it's just that's in a village it's a bit too far for like the kids to access it put it over to start police so yeah we just

Amy Dangerfieldopen to school there with a few people that's awesome yeah awesome hi I'm Amy Dangerfield I'm 28 years old uh I've been in the high ticket sales industry my whole life but I'm taking a little bit of a break right

Chasenow right on my name is Chase 28 years old professional photographer and brand consultant my name's Andrew golden uh I'm 23 I'm an

Brian Atlaselectrician I play a little big guitar and sing as well full-time electrician part-time gigachad sure yeah and uh so you guys might recognize Andrew we're

Brian Atlasgoing to pull up the clip here uh Nick if you're able to pull up that clip I should have it pulled up um let's just say he's a gigachad um yeah we could go ahead and yeah go

Chaseahead maybe you've seen him

Brian Atlas[Music] all right there's the clip that's uh that's uh the man the myth the legend himself yeah if I may just say as well I saw

Andrew Goldenthat clip last year for the first time I saw it again this year I posted it to my Instagram because I think it's absolutely awesome and I'm stoked to be here on a podcast with you bro all right bro what was the story uh behind the

Chaseclip where were you um like what what's the story there that's really not much of a store it's just a random act of God pretty much uh we I'm a Christian we do evangelism out

Chaseat the bars preach the gospel talk to people about Christ out gospel tracks which is just a little piece of paper that has the gospel written on it and uh so we were walking

Chasedown to a bar called handlebar and just a random interaction like I said hand them the gospel track he asked me that question he's got a camera in his hand and there you have it blew up so I

Andrew GoldenI got a question that clip has gone insanely viral across the internet so many people that I know have reposted it what in your experience has the reception been to that clip how have people responded it's been actually very

Chasepositive very I've looked at a few posts where people have been negative about it but uh the female attention has been ridiculous I can tell you that much but um have you had have you had chicks

Chasesliding into your DMs like marry me uh yeah uh mainly Brazilian actually why do you think why do you think mainly Brazilians I don't know there was a

ChasePortuguese version that got like you know that one blew up more than the others so okay I don't know do you like Brazilian women sure but they're too far away

Brian Atlasand you're from where where are you from Houston Houston Texas okay gotcha and that's where you grew up and that's where you still live I still live there yeah gotcha and so it was it was outside of some bar District yeah this was

ChaseHouston yeah this was on Washington Avenue and there's a bunch of bars out there okay did you guys have success bringing people to Jesus that night that night was so long ago bro like I said it wasn't a significant night but

Chaseuh maybe you know the word goes out and God uses that word to you know soften some hearts or hard in other Hearts so you never know what he's going to do with his word yes he does

Brian Atlasrock and roll okay so we're gonna go around the table once more what is your current relationship status so are you single talking stage situationship Friends with Benefits relationship

Brian Atlasmarried polycule sex cult trying to think what other kind of Dynamics people are involved in these days um you you have a harem I guess uh so if you're single how long have you been single and also what's your longest

Wendyrelationship you've ever been in starting with you go ahead um I'm single I've been single for three months um

Brian Atlaslongest relationship oh my longest relationship was four years four years gotcha this is like a high school relationship basically yeah basically

Brian Atlasyeah gotcha uh why did four-year relationship why did it end why'd he dump you I don't think oh okay excuse me my bad my bad okay um why did

Wendyyou dump him after four years um because he kept cheating so oh yeah sorry to hear that I am kept cheating so you found out

Andrew GoldenI've been finding out yeah and but you forgave him but he kept it doing it how long did he keep it up for before you broke it off the whole four years about three years

Wendyare you serious so you found out like a year into it and he just kept doing it for three years I found out like the second year and then the third year he did again so that's when I'm like

Brian AtlasI was living with him so I just like literally called him my uncle I'm like I packed up everything one day I packed up everything one day and I just left wait hold on you were living with him and you called him your uncle no I said my um I

Brian Atlascalled my um

Wendybut you were living with your boyfriend during High School okay gotcha um how did that come to be did you run away from home or no I left home because it was just like separate

Wendythings that was going on there and then I just couldn't do like I did the same thing I did to him I just packed up my things and I just I just left after the how many times did you catch him cheating

Brian AtlasI only um hold on let's do something like three times I think three times yeah damn sorry to hear that um did you ever cheat

Wendyon him or you were always loyal I was loyal until oh whoops okay until what oh

Andrew Goldenfound out the second time okay and then were you guys just like mutually cheating on one another until no I just no after that like

WendyI think like the third year we just stopped talking to each other but we still live in the same house so it was weird but it's super weird yeah it was weird and then no and then we started

Brian Atlastalking to each other again and then I just couldn't take anymore so I just left um wait so how long were you living together for the whole relationship three years

Brian Atlasum three years yeah okay so when he would cheat on you would he bring women to no he was always gone during the weekends yeah okay I see I always thought I was like because he was with his friends but I was like sure that was

Brian Atlasa naive so when you would get I guess revenge on him would you bring the like if you cheated would you go to the guy's house or would you bring them back to your place

Caitlin PerryI'll go to a guy's house okay all right gotcha okay uh well what about you um I'm single uh I've been single for six months and then my longest relationship was three and a half years

Brian Atlasokay also uh High School why did that end why did he dump you I dumped him kind of

Caitlin Perrykind of similar uh but he cheated on me A lot of times a lot of times oh like probably over 30 times 30. oh he had three different

Brian Atlasrelationships while with me thanks yeah how'd that feel not great but no the I guess the question for both of you

Brian Atlaswhy did you stay with them after not just one two but multiple times they've cheated on you because I was dumb

Wendyno don't say that was he just like Giga Chad like super attractive oh no no no no mine too what mine was even short like yeah

Caitlin Perrymine was ugly oh wow me too and I shouldn't have um were they just funny is that what I don't know good person I have daddy issues I guess yeah I just felt the need to like have company all the time I

Brian Atlasthink I just needed was it the Comfort like it's sometimes it's more comfortable being in a relationship then even if it's not the best relationship then yeah breaking up going through the

Brian AtlasHeartbreak being single yeah okay exactly all right okay uh and you've both been you've been single for three months you've been singles for six months uh you both do you guys live in

Caitlin Perrythis area or do you live yeah okay born and raised in Santa Barbara oh you're from Santa Barbara are you from Santa Barbara too uh I'm from San Diego but I moved here like three weeks ago

Brian Atlasokay a month all right welcome welcome well uh I've heard from some of the like you know college girls that they're not fans of the college men is that yeah no

WendyI don't like them why not like them why not they're groupies they're groupies I mean like they be I don't know are they like they see you

Wendywith your home rules and then the next party they try to be with one of your homegirls you know and it's like Girl Code you know it's like I don't know okay they they're for the

Brian Atlasstreets yeah okay all right did you have any thoughts on the college boys you've met so far or like them dislike them I I just don't

Caitlin Perryreally care indifference I don't know okay they're like whatever you're you're gonna become a nun oh no okay so I just said they're like whatever they're like whatever okay yeah okay I don't know all

Brian Atlasright sure what about you uh single in my longest relationship was seven years all right seven years

Atlasum how long have you been single for a year one year okay why did end the last one yeah or the seven year relationship

Andrew Goldenum the seven year one you would have to ask him were you married no okay wait you said you you would have to ask him do you not know why he just ghosted

Atlasyou and no um gosh I wouldn't even know where to start he actually broke up with me like two months before he got out of prison or before he got out of prison

Andrew Goldenbut wait what was he in prison for what was he not in prison for did he kill anyone no no no okay I guess that's what he wasn't in prison for yeah

Brian Atlaswait so you were dating him while he was in prison did you meet him on the outside or you like as a pen pal thing you started sending him letters next thing you know you're doing conjugal visits yeah and

Atlassay Quentin yeah that's my question okay no actually we were best friends as out of lessons and we started dating After High School okay how long into that did

Atlashe go to prison for like how long had you guys been dating before he went to prison oh many years we were kind of off and on though but I didn't really see other people he didn't date other people but we would break up and

Chaseget back together all the time it was really not healthy sounds like a good relationship to move on from good for you a lot of jacked up relationships around here so far Welcome

Brian Atlasto California California Welcome to California um wait it's okay he was how long was his uh prison term it it wasn't very long it was like 18 months okay might have gotten out at 16

Atlasteams wanted to get back to the streets you mean romantically or for romantically and criminally because oh wow yeah because you knew that I kind of

Andrew Goldentypically steer him in a better Direction and he did not want to do better for himself he's back there now oh he's back in again damn okay wow all right bullet Dodge there your eyes kind of lit up when I

Atlasasked you why the last one ended why did the last one end oh my god oh she's trying to avoid with the prison in misdirection I don't even want to count that as a relationship because it was one month so I don't know if that even

Atlascounts does that count well it sounds like it ended in train wreck what's the story yeah what's the story um it went like a million miles an hour which was the first mistake he moved in

Atlaswhich I kind of didn't want but I did let it happen and then um he lost his job right away um he sat in front of a computer all day

Atlasplayed video games was a little bit messy didn't want to do anything like quality time wise like I like made bids and he didn't take them

Atlasum and he went out all the time with his friends but he had no money to do that so I was just like priorities why'd you keep him around I didn't I was

Atlastrying to think of how like to get out of it wait but so you said it was only one month yeah but at what point did he move in with you immediately he he moved in pretty quickly and I left what's pretty

Unknownquickly oh I haven't I need to adjust the TTS I don't know yo yo

TTSum Sweden Iceland Denmark you pick I'll save yourself I think he wants it what up Mike Davis good to hear from you bro

Brian Atlasthank you for the offer I uh I already found my diamond in the rough appreciate appreciate it there bro all right thank you Mike Davis good to hear from you guys um just from TTS is I must have

Brian Atlasmade a mistake with the TTS heading it's 199 and up that but that one came through so thank you Mike Davis um so he moved in right away or yeah how fast what are we talking here

Atlaslike okay first date second date he moves in type of thing not necessarily So within two weeks of making it official he was moved in but it was because he was getting another

Atlasjob where he was going to be traveling for work and so I I was like he's just gonna leave his stuff here he's going to be gone for six months and we're gonna have a long distance relationship and we're gonna be able to take it slow in that sense and really get to know each

Atlasother but he was back from that job within like one week like quit it or was fired I'm not sure and so then he was boom just there in my apartment how long did he just hang around your apartment

Atlaslike a couch potato before you kicked him out like two weeks and I didn't kick him out I just complained enough that he freaked out and packed his stuff snagged him to death and then he quit yeah

Atlaswait so did you know him before you ended up in a relationship yeah but not very well not like we were friends forever like my one before how did they all meet

Atlasum I met him through a mutual friends in at a bar so oh okay all right maybe Concho uh what about you divorced

Gigi Diordivorce and the longest uh shy 20. you were so you're married for 20 years 17 yeah okay we were together for several years prior to getting married so we were close to 20. okay you were gotcha

Brian Atlasyou were together for 20 years uh how long have you been single um four years four years gotcha and so you're you say you're divorce but are you are you in a relationship with somebody or just proper single just

Gigi Diorproper single proper have you had a rebound since the yeah I mean I've updated it's just messy like it's I I it's not for me okay it's like I'm very

Brian Atlasfocused on like work kids so um you have kids one two three oh four kids all from the all from my husband yes okay gotcha uh got it uh did

Gigi Dioryou initiate the divorce or did you absolutely why why a resounding yes so during my last pregnancy I found text

Gigi Diormessages um that he had in a head had an affair and then after and during the divorce I found that there were 12 altogether wow

Gigi Dioryeah over what time 17 years so I mean it's not like it's not 30 in a year but it's it's I mean you're married you're committed there's

Gigi Diorthere's more than just like a relationship there so you you found out about all 12 at the same time yes so during how did that feel uh that was

Gigi Diorum it was actually more um sorry um it was actually more freeing than um than it was when I first started the

Gigi Diordivorce because I thought maybe I was ending everything over one um so after I um finalized everything during um that time we were all locked up

Gigi Diorum I went through and I found cell phones and that's when all the evidence actually came out so it was very like like yes I made the right decision when

Gigi Dioryou discovered that did it like make sense yes everything like you reap start to like replay everything in your head and you're like okay now when this person said this and that's not normal

Gigi Diorand I would start to compare my my relationship with other people and they're like I've never heard that my husband has ever been in a car with somebody else or blah blah blah and that

Gigi Diorwas just my Norm so I Justified it and I made excuses for it and you know you do stupid things when you think you're in love so um but yeah it was uh it hurt of course

Gigi Diorum because you commit yourself to one person and you say that this is going to be forever um but you like I did my vows in front of God and you know like I like I felt I did it the right way and

Gigi Diorum you expect them to honor that commitment correct exactly and when that's not honored it's definitely um a kick to the gut yeah but then seeing that I initiated a divorce and

Gigi Diorfollowed through with it after many times of him coming back and saying I don't want you know please let's work it out let's work it out let's work it out um finding that it was never ever gonna work doing I did the right thing and showing

Gigi Diormy children that it's not okay to stick around no matter what like you know like you can try and you can try and you can try but at a certain point you have to respect yourself enough to stand up and walk away yeah

Gigi Diorthat makes sense good for you thank you yeah could I ask you a question of course were you doing the adult entertainment uh through the duration of your um so I did uh professional modeling during my entire marriage um I've done

Brian Atlasthat since I was in high school right so we moved into the adult world after okay yeah okay was that like a way was that like a vindictive thing

Gigi Diorlike all right now now I'm gonna shoot porn no it was a survival thing okay um because of again during the time where I found all the text messages and

Gigi Dioreverything we were all home and um being a single mom at the time uh resources were extremely limited on different things and the other

Gigi Diorum businesses that I had were a lockdown so I started webcamming and so that's actually how it all started was just on webcaming and and only fans

Gigi Diorum and then it kind of progressed from there so if I may ask how do your kids feel about your profession they are I've been very open and upfront with them from day one I felt that if this was the

Gigi Diordecision that I was making um they needed to hear it all from me I didn't want them to hear from it at school or from their father or whatever so I sat down um most of them are very good with it

Gigi Diorthey're all good with it now it took a little bit of um talking and like you know open communication to get them all to understand um the premise and and you know kind of

Gigi DiorI mean obviously I'm age-appropriate I'm not you know tell you know a small kid you know obviously all of the details but for the most part um they all know exactly where I go have

Gigi Diorthey ever taken any heat for it at school no not that they've told me I mean um I know that there was some stuff that was going around the adults at the school but I

Gigi Diorthink because of the small town that I'm from um the parents were off for the most part very respectful and didn't like you know pass it down so

Gigi Diorum they've all been very you know supportive and the the school wasn't at first but you know closed minds sometimes you know

Brian Atlasjust need a little bit of explanation so um yeah yeah so okay uh and what kind of uh content are you

Gigi Diormaking is it solo content is it with uh is it with other women is it with other men I do all of it um so I started as just the solo cam model webcam webcam

Gigi Dioryeah and then I started solo um only fans okay and then I slowly progressed into girl girl and then I had an agent call me about a year ago and

Gigi Diorasked me um if I was interested in doing like mainstream films sure so um I've then since moved on to like um Studio films where like she was a

Brian Atlasproducer and a director and everybody's fully tested and fully consensual all right okay um if I could have you just slightly move your microphone that way just

Annie Lobertperfect okay go ahead what about you I am in a current relationship I am married 14 years now and we met in 2007 over the internet

Annie Lobertand my husband is Oz Fox from the band striper it's a famous band from the 80s rock band Yes okay rock metal and they sing about like a hair band they sing about Jesus

Andrew Goldenyeah they were famous on MTV heard of the chase no I haven't looked at it I want to look them up after this though check it out yeah it's got a new fan here they're hardcore they're 40 years together there now that's awesome so he still performs yes

Annie Lobertare you like his biggest fan maybe he certainly thinks so do you have to do you have to fight off his other female friends uh sometimes there's been

Annie Lobertseveral I mean when we first got engaged uh he said to me hey I have this friend that used to come and watch me play at this other bar in California and he would play with these side bands when

Annie Loberthis band wasn't on tour and I was like oh really and I was at the destiny house watching over the first Destin house which is a safe house for women that are trafficked and I clicked him on the phone because I was pretty mad that he

Annie Lobertwas going to have a former fan come down and visit but then I decided I'm going to show up there and when I see her I'm going to show her the ring so I was in the bathroom

Annie Lobertand she was sitting there at the mirror flipping her hair and with blonde hair I didn't know who she was she's like oh my God Oz Fox is here and he's so effing

Annie Loberthot I can't wait to just go up to him and hug him and I got out of the stall and I said excuse me sweetheart he's taken and I showed her my ring

Annie Lobertand she backed up immediately and I basically had a threatening stance so I kind of had my old self rise out of the Grave a little bit I almost got unsaved for a second

Annie Lobertbut sometimes sometimes you gotta get heated I had I had to confronted Jesus made a cord of whips went into the temples I mean she understood she was very clear that she understood that that you need to not go flirt with my husband

Brian Atlasbecause I am now wait uh you said you said um you you got into your old self I if if I what's your what was your what

Annie Lobertdo you mean by your old self how are you in your old so it's one of my alter egos her name is Fallon Fallon yeah you're you got an alter ego well not anymore but in the past she's kind of buried

Brian Atlasright now but sometimes she occasionally pops up when I get really mad what what was what was Fallon up to what was it well Fallon was in the sex industry okay

Andrew Goldenfor about 11 years straight I was an escort in Las Vegas and a stripper okay so when you were uh Fallon were you like beating people up because you sounded pretty ready well I used to be a Dominus

Annie Lobertmistress no way whips and chains and leather were you like whipping like CEOs and stuff yes they deserved it

Annie Lobertthat's what they wanted so I mean to me working as a dominance mistress uh dominate strix I enjoyed it way better than turning tricks because I didn't have to have sex

Andrew Goldenwhat was your clientele like was it like majority successful dudes because I've heard I've heard like really successful dudes love hiring dominatrix escorts I had a lot of they call them regulars

Annie Lobertand yes they were CEOs some of them some of them were lawyers judges was it mostly like successful high-powered men or yes why why do you why do you think that is

Annie LobertI'm fascinated by that you know there was one that I remember that I felt super sorry for he would come to the door dressed in Drag he would wear his mother's lipstick I'm not kidding you he had on nylons and a

Annie Lobertred dress and then he would tell me it's time to be punished so I would make him come to the door and I know something you might get disgusted with this what was his job

Annie Loberthe worked at a big Law Firm okay oh he was an attorney okay yeah and I would make him come to the door on his knees with the money in his teeth

Annie Lobertand I wouldn't let him touch me ever then would you just like whip him and stuff or would you whatever he wanted I mean I never had to touch him with my hands it was all tools

Brian Atlasyou know Chase I think to answer your question what my hypothesis is you have these hyper-successful men that have to be Cutthroat in the business industry uh

Brian Atlasor their lawyers or whatever it is and they're constantly having to be dominant in their professional life and in their personal life and their perhaps in their sexual life they want to relinquish the

Brian Atlasburden of having that sort of responsibility and just get [ __ ] domed I guess I that's my hypothesis sum it up by calling it he was abused by his mother the basement and the Romans could

Amy Dangerfieldalso I guess be abuse or something she used to choke him with her pantyhose it sounds really wicked right what good times I feel like success like in and of itself

Amy Dangerfieldproduce those results I feel like like if somebody maybe comes from like a background of trauma or they go through something like that and then maybe they are not properly equipped to deal with the success that they get or maybe it comes a little bit too fast or there's

Amy Dangerfieldvarious other circumstances maybe something like that would manifest but I don't feel like that's an inherent symptom of success no I it but perhaps it could in some individuals perhaps who have

Wendysome maybe no childhood anything or did whatever it could I that's what I've heard I don't know you had something you had something go ahead yeah I saw like you're like I saw

Wendyyou on my Tick Tock feed it was like you were showing around some guy like where like um like escort spots like and you're like like you're just saying like a bunch of

Wendylike where the spots were and where like the guys like we'll often go where they were sit at the bars yes yeah in the big casinos okay and so but now you're not

Brian Atlasinvolved in that life uh when did you start I am involved in that well like not not working but saving people yeah and helping people uh and uh when did you stop

Annie Lobertuh escorting or officially stopped doing s work so I got engaged to Ashley to one of my tricks one of my regulars in

Annie LobertMay of 1998 I quit the escort services but I had a lot a lot of trauma and I ended up doing drugs

Annie Lobertthat next year doing cocaine and then our business failed that we had together we had an automotive business that was in Japan here in the United States and I was devastated because I figured I

Annie Lobertdidn't make it as a call girl I had two traffickers the entire time I was a call girl almost I was renegading probably only one year out of that time I was working in the industry so I never had anything good to show from it I had a lot of Heartache a lot of times where I

Annie Lobertgot I can't say the word but you can fill in the blank I got assaulted many times by the men that would purchase me and then the man that was taking all the money so

Annie LobertI had a broken heart and so at the very end I started escorting at the very end the last year it was August 2nd 2003 I overdosed on cocaine and then I cried

Chaseout to Jesus and I've never been back since so it's been 20 years Hallelujah yeah so what was that conversion experience like with god well here's

Annie Lobertwhat's crazy when I was a little girl I went to church and I loved it I remember getting cupcakes and candy and little suckers and I remember saying the prayer that I

Annie Lobertwanted Jesus to be living inside my heart and I brought this cross home as a Lutheran church and it was a glow in dark cross and I remember putting it up to the light at night because I was afraid of monsters it's funny because the world does have

Annie Lobertmonsters nowadays right real monsters and I fell away from the faith a little bit when I was eight years old because that next door neighbor was abusing me I mean pretty bad and I kind of lost my

Annie Lobertway for a while I confronted my father for his my father was an alcoholic and he was taking pills and smoking and swearing so

Annie LobertI confronted about all of it as a little Christian little girl going daddy you have to stop so I didn't want him to die and so after that he said I'm taking you

Annie Lobertout of that school it was called Trinity First Lutheran and I went ended up going back in the regular school system and that's where I met one of my friends that eventually showed me

Annie Lobertmy other friend that we went out to the bars and eventually as a teenager I met our first set of pimps so and I also got assaulted by men

Annie Lobertthroughout my teenage years and you know since I was a little child so it was a really really hard life if if I may ask what what happened when you cried out to Jesus after your overdose

Annie Lobertwhat was that like well I at the time I was probably dying I had a heart attack wow so the ambulance came and I remember hanging on to the emt's hand and I was

Annie Lobertjust like I don't want to die but my heart I don't know if anyone's ever had a heart attack but my heart every beat that it was making it was going so fast

Annie Lobertevery single beat was like a stab of my heart and it scared me so bad I actually faded In and Out Of Consciousness but when I got to the hospital the doctor told me I had so much drugs in my system

Annie Lobertthat I should have been dead and I had this piece come over me that I cannot describe it's like the best piece and the next couple weeks I was filled with

Annie Lobertthis like it's kind of like a lava lamp the how the the wax gets hardened when you shut it off when you turn it on it gets like all googly and hot and it's like it filled my body with just this

Annie Lobertfeeling of love and I just wanted to love everybody and amen God started healing my heart and he still healed me to this day because trauma lasts a lifetime I'm not perfect but I'm walking

Andrew Goldentowards you know I I know we have to keep the show moving but I just wanted to say thank you for sharing that it's welcome you've had a hell of a life and it's miraculous what God saved you from amen uh just one

Brian Atlasquestion you said you married one of your tricks isn't tricks a derogatory term okay I didn't marry one of my tricks we actually got we got disengaged

Brian AtlasI met my my current husband on MySpace yeah different guy okay

Annie Lobertsuch a throwback I had my story on there that's how I met him I met him through my friend Heather Veach and she was uh meeting with Kevin Max from DC Talk you know that band easy talk oh yeah and Oz was meeting with Kevin that night

Annie Lobertbecause they were in town making music for the band so he found Myspace and read my story and he was like that's it I want that girl like she's for me he didn't tell me that until later but yeah

Air Force AmyI think he fell in love with me pretty quickly all right legit what about you has to tell a story to follow yeah that's a tough story to follow um so

Air Force Amyum I'm single and I had the longest relationship I had was like a year and a half and it was strange that um

Air Force AmyI've never had a relationship my entire life until unlike most people when when unlike most people when um everything

Air Force Amyum closed down and a lot of people went to only fans and um went to that Avenue I actually

Air Force Amywent in the opposite direction and stopped doing what I was doing I was worked in the legal brothel industry for over uh 25 years and and I stopped and

Air Force Amyfor the first time I took a break and thought that um it had been long enough like it's 10 months and I said well wow I could probably have a relationship because I

Air Force Amynever just saw I never thought I never saw how I could have one doing what I was doing it just never equated I was like it just didn't make sense so I went on Match.com and I met a guy

Air Force Amyand I fell in love when was this this was um a couple years ago when everything was shut down um Okay match so um yeah well I didn't know what else to do you know

Brian Atlasyou saw the commercials never date that I just always worked uh and so the 1.5 year relationship is the one that you were talking about that you met on match.com but that that ended so

Brian Atlasyeah I went back to work gotcha yeah and but so throughout the whole course of your life I never did never a boyfriend never what about like a short-term

Air Force Amycasual thing you know like three months two months one I'm one client and I had said that I said that um I couldn't date that I would have to immediately get engaged because I just

Brian Atlasdidn't know how to date I don't know how to date you didn't know how to date no do you think it was would it was it because you found it hard to date because of the type of work

Brian Atlasyou were involved in or but uh when did you at what age did you start getting involved in uh what's the pro escorting courtesan I watched your show last week

Brian Atlasand one of my co-workers was on yeah okay so you said Cortisone and actually cortisone is a euphemism I looked it up after I was actually wrong there I thought it was like a courtesan I was thinking like okay you're in the court

Brian Atlasof King Henry right you're a lord you're trying to Garner favor with the King but it is it is actually I didn't know that I was wrong but yeah it is

Air Force Amyyeah it is a term yeah um I'm called illegal prostitute sure right I mean Wikipedia put a page up about me and I don't get to edit it yeah okay it's just there it is what it is I'm a legal prostitute and I had a fight to put the

Air Force Amyterm legal in front of it I've been a legal prostitute for over 30 years because where do you work the Bunny Ranch in Nevada is that Pahrump or no there are certain counties in Nevada

Air Force Amywhere prostitution is legal and is only illegal within illegal brothel right and the pro and the county has to have less than 250 000 residents okay so that rules out Clark County and Washoe County

Air Force Amyso Reno in Las Vegas no no no so prostitution is absolutely illegal in Las Vegas and Reno but in the outlying counties in the very rural counties and

Air Force Amysome counties there are some brothels got it uh and uh so I work in Lyon County where there are four brothels

Air Force Amywhere are my ownership we own KitKat Sagebrush Bunny Ranch and love ranch oh do you have equity in

Air Force Amysome of these or skin love skin Equity okay blood sweat tears and skin okay okay I got a question what's what's the proper term for one of your customers uh clients a

Air Force Amyclient okay we're not allowed to call them t-r-i-c-ks we're in big trouble what about John's is that illegal Marx that's a movie isn't it like like uh he

Andrew Goldenwas he was a John right yes uh if you had to estimate how many clients would you guess that you've had over the years I couldn't

Air Force Amyestimate you know that's a that's a common question how many how many guys do you sleep with per day and they're so unfair to women because like with guys it'll be like how many girls have you

Air Force Amyslept with and the more women you've slept with it's like oh yeah yeah I'm living with 400 women in a day a year

Air Force Amythat's left with more than one man in her life it's like you're a [ __ ] I'm gonna help you know you're you know you're you're stained you know so yeah and and that's just society that I'm a market assistant in that area by the way

Chaseyes I I am as well guys will go to hell as a lot as well as women yes yes he's right yeah and it's just that some

Air Force Amyareas and different Arenas so it's just this Arena and this religion or this area says that's not cool but this area

Air Force Amyoperates in a totally this other area operates in a completely totally different Arena and they're absolutely happy they treat people with respect and

Air Force Amyand honor and love and everybody's happy and there's you know there's the meanest at what age uh did you get involved with escorting very young very young I left

Air Force Amyhome there was um incest in my family as there is a lot of women that do end up in my industry so we do get judged quite

Air Force Amyunfairly a large huge percentage sex has been taken has been devalued from the get-go either in their family or from

Brian Atlastheir neighbors or in school so when you say young do you mean 18 19. no I'm talking six seven eight years old yeah I've heard I've heard that since yeah no no I'm taught uh like when you started

Air Force Amystarted okay so that's okay so yeah I'm six seven eight years old we're talking grade school tell you know uh no but panty shots for ice cream money okay

Brian Atlasyeah let's maybe avoid that topic but um oh yeah but okay so but okay um I left home at the age of 13. they started hitchhiking around the country was that when you began working yes so

Andrew Goldenthey called that survival prostitution okay damn

Air Force Amyyou know running underneath trucks uh trucks and Pockets getting cut out and I mean girls getting gaffed and it was I mean terrifying absolutely terrible were there periods of any homelessness I mean no you're hitchhiking around the country

Air Force Amyyou're going from truck to truck the biggest shiniest truck what's next you know so this is what this is how I heard about the brothels so we're going cruising across Highway 80 and we're on the CBS back then this was way back when

Air Force Amythe trucker strike was going on it was like Seabees and uh um CBS and uh a breaker breaker one night

Air Force Amyit was like you know it was pretty cool but um we heard uh with on the CVS you've heard the girls from the Mustang Ranch calling out to the truckers because there wasn't any kind of

Air Force Amyadvertising and and I heard that oh yeah this is a big Palace and there's beautiful women and I'm like oh wow the truck stops are scary I want to go work there and I want to go there but you

Air Force Amyhave to be 18 years old oh man that's not gonna happen so I'll just wait until I'm 18 in the meantime I kept hitchhiking around the country and then when I turned 18 I joined the military

Air Force Amyinstead oh wow which branch of the military Air Force okay yeah yeah of course Amy okay yeah so another station that Nellis in on Las Vegas and I gave

Air Force Amymy my superiors an ultimatum I said you either cross-trained me give me a reenlistment bonus or I'm going to go down work at the brothels and then you know they they didn't give me a

Air Force Amyrealistic bonus so while you were in the Air Force you were also working no I didn't get a reenlistment bonus so I went down to work at the chicken ranch and then I've been working in the

Air Force Amybrothels ever since so it's like a safe house it is you know I'm I'm for me I would say I'm the exception to the rule I'm kind of

Air Force Amyinstitutionalized and at this point it's become such a career for me and I feel as though

Air Force AmyI'm in place because I have survived so many things and I am an icon and not an inspiration but um

Air Force AmyI help the girls I think I think I'm here for a reason and I'm not going to say that I'm as religious as you but I am spiritual

Air Force Amyand I do the next right thing and I teach the girls by example to do the next right thing we're honest

Gigi Diorwe're open we're not judgmental we follow as many Commandments as we can you are inspirational so I I think you can actually absolutely put that into

Air Force Amyhere a success story and um we just try to do the next right thing and we're we're preaching love and not judgment humility you want to talk

Air Force Amyhumility yeah we're doing that and um we're God fearing Jesus loving America and love and God country and and family these girls have these girls have family

Air Force Amyand and we're just being you know we're trying to have a good client base and just have fun and treat people with kindness and respect and um

Air Force Amya good hug a good cuddle a good it feels good man you know just it's a good human context and good human just good love care and just feel good Andrew

Chasewere you yeah you know when you say you love Jesus Jesus was very clear you could look at the story with the woman at the well who was sexually immoral and how Jesus approached her he called her out her sin

Chaseand he called her to repent um also uh Jesus says if you love me you will keep my Commandments um that doesn't mean you're gonna be perfect nobody say bye keeping the

ChaseCommandments right we all fall short every day all the fault all of a sin fallen short of the glory of God you're saved by faith in Christ but that faith is a living faith it causes you to

Chaserepent and turn away from uh prostitution any kind of sexual immorality sexual immorality goes as deep as Jesus said if you look with

Chaselust you've committed adultery in your heart right so it's not necessarily particular actions of immorality those are sin

Chasebut the problem is our heart is our corrupt heart our desires so that's why Jesus said you have to have a new heart you have to be born again John chapter 3 and in order to enter the kingdom of heaven so

Chaseyou know I understand that it's offensive to say you need to repent this is wrong you know but it's ultimate ultimately a message of love that comes to you and uh you know

ChaseI'm sitting here listening and I'm hearing a lot of broken relationships a lot of broken messed up lives you know but this is what Jesus came for he came to he came for the

Chasehorse he came for the prostitutes to save them and deliver them from their sin um if you call on him you will be saved but he requires repentance and that's what salvation brings is repentance

Andrew Goldenanyways I appreciate your love I do I appreciate that I honestly do I appreciate your love thank you I have a follow-up question to what he just said out of curiosity if God offered you a

Brian Atlaspath out of the industry would you take it if I could take everyone else that wanted to go with me that's a loving answer that's a loving answer all right well uh what about you go ahead sorry

Andrew Goldendid you have a follow-up there or I would just uh actually this is a fantastic opportunity because I know there's a lot of people listening especially from uh my audience I would ask everybody that's watching if you guys are believers please pray in Jesus

Andrew Goldenname that God offers her and all of the women that work with her a path out of the industry please pray for that contact some church anytime can we have a lot of clients

Brian Atlaslet's not pray for that um just really quick really quick before you go I have to read a couple chats here uh these are below the threshold but they came in before the show and uh

Brian AtlasI think this is uh coastins so we have Klaus Von goat yo thank you very much hey Brian good show the other day with Candace 60 Hunter he's talking about World of Warcraft there thank you uh

Brian Atlasdiscuss just kidding Oz is the Hunter hardcore or is it on classic era hey thank you so much man good to see you we also have another one from him we have Kloss Von goat with the 101 that's about

Brian Atlasto come up I'd like to nominate Dr Sydney Kiki Watson to the board of directors of Brian's 501c 3 charitable organization BLM all in favor say yay

Brian Atlasall opposed nay and bl uh big lady matter okay all right thank you Klaus I didn't mention it but that's my non-profit anyways I I'm okay we have uh let's see we have oh that's a trigger

TTSokay Spartan hoplite donated 200 thanks bro congrats on episode 100. Chase stop being a [ __ ] and co-host the show with

TTSBrian he needs backup Brian does his best but is constantly outnumbered it's true this podcast is 300. Xerxes hordes

Brian AtlasMust Be Stopped this is Sparta no mercy [Laughter] uh thank you uh

Brian Atlasappreciate that bro thanks for the comment thank you man uh we have Mike Davis oh sorry this one already came through my my Batman Okay um and then let me see okay we're all caught up uh what's your

Tryndallinarelationship situation like um I mean a relationship it's been one year and five months and it's long distance at the moment yeah that's your longest relationship yes

Brian Atlasyeah okay oh hey fdg thank you very much for the 50 gift of memberships uh that's my uh Sugar Mama so thank you appreciate it uh

Tryndallinajust kidding not really um underwhelming sorry after all those stories um how long did you say it was a year and a half actually okay yeah wait uh where are you from because you have an

Tryndallinaaccent um Australia but my family is kosovan Albanian Albanian oh okay all right Amy what about you I'm single I've been

Andrew Goldensingle for four months my longest relationship was four years all right jeez I currently have a wonderful girlfriend been together three months

Chaseand uh my longest relationship was a year and a half roughly okay uh currently single actually never even had

Chasea serious girlfriend you know I've had some things here and there we've almost had a serious relationship but nothing's ever panned out yet so and not looking

Andrew Goldenfor any one night stands definitely not uh looking for marriage 100 yeah what about what about all these Brazilian chicks dog not too far away man what if what if one flew to you would you be

Tryndallinadown sure she came and visits I'm not gonna pay for the flight how are you looking for marriage like what are your kind of techniques for

Chasesomething like that um well I'm trusting God 100 I'm really not even looking for a wife uh very hard right now I'm really just focused on the kingdom and and defending the faith and

ChaseI know that ultimately you know God's gonna bring the right one in my bath and as I continue to serve him and seek to

Chaseyou know grow as a man grow into the image of Christ he's gonna bring me the right one I'm not in a rush you definitely don't want to rush this thing and that's I think that's where a lot of people get it wrong they yeah they Rush

Chaserelationships what does that look like to you like what does the perfect the right woman yeah uh well she has to love God she has to

Chaseuh if she loves God she's going to uh really if she's even if she had does have feminist tendencies uh if she truly loves God she's going to you know more conform to his word and

Chaseeven if we have to argue a few things out you know she doesn't have to be perfect that's my point right she she may have some some problems there but if I can work it out then you know I'll

Chasestick with that kind of woman but if she's not willing to change then you know when you say change what do you mean be more a submissive she has to be okay with being submitted to the husband

Chaseas the scriptures say uh modest not promiscuous um in her Apparel in her dress um she has to be attractive I have to be

Chaseattracted to her that's really it I'm a simple man she gotta love God she's got to look good yeah let's go so basic okay let's go there you have it deal breakers

Tryndallinauh I don't really think so I mean I think I covered everything if she's too much of a feminist then yeah that's a deal breaker yeah about that like some people say Jesus was like the first feminist

Chaseabsolutely not telling women how to read and Empower them through like hey look nothing wrong with women reading I think women highly intelligence they need to be highly where did you hear he taught

Tryndallinawomen how to read some people yeah where'd they hear that from probably other people yeah probably yeah yeah probably no no it wasn't from a feminist um I just think it's like religion as a whole is quite like educational and so I

Chasefeel like he gave people opportunity to read and to learn and that's what they were pushing then um you know I really wanted to find feminism as empowering women to read

Chasehave education or read books um feminism is more the idea of egalitarianism that men and women are equal now men and women are

Chaseequal in the sight of God but other than that we're pretty much unequal on every level we think differently we are built biologically differently

Chaseand so that results in societal differences and a different role to play in in relationships you know we can't we can't have the same role God designed

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