30,000+ Body Count?! Should Men Marry PRØSTITUTES? | Dating Talk #100

Date: 2023-09-13

Duration: 5h 08m

Guests

CCaitlin Perry >

AAnnie Lobert >

AAir Force Amy >

AAmy Dangerfield >

CChase (DT118)>

AAndrew Golden >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS(audience)

SPEAKER_01Amy Dangerfield(guest)

SPEAKER_02Annie Lobert(guest)

SPEAKER_03Tryndallina(guest)

SPEAKER_04Gigi Dior(guest)

SPEAKER_05Wendy(guest)

SPEAKER_06Caitlin Perry(guest)

SPEAKER_07Air Force Amy(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Chase(guest)

SPEAKER_11Andrew Golden(guest)

SPEAKER_13Atlas(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteAndrew Golden's viral 'repent and believe the gospel' quote replayed

“Brian plays Andrew Golden's viral clip. Andrew explains the story: Christian street evangelism in Houston, random interaction outside Handlebar bar. Clip blew up globally, biggest in Portuguese.”

Key MomentAnnie Lobert describes attorney client who came to her in drag as a submissive

“Annie describes a high-powered attorney client who would come to her door dressed in his mother's clothing, on his knees with money in his teeth. Never touched him — 'all tools.'”

Key MomentAnnie Lobert: cocaine overdose and heart attack conversion story

“Annie describes overdosing on cocaine August 2, 2003, having a heart attack, clinging to EMT's hand, fading in and out of consciousness, and crying out to Jesus. Doctor said she should have been dead from drugs in her system.”

Key MomentChase discloses he broke 3-year celibacy vow on-air

“Brian reveals context that Chase was previously celibate for ~3 years. Chase admits on-air he 'fell into temptation' and is no longer celibate. Still with same woman. Andrew is 'disappointed.'”

ControversyUnidentified woman confronts Andrew about not knowing how to speak to sex workers

“SPEAKER_14 intervenes to tell Andrew and Chase they don't understand how to speak to women from the sex industry — that they won't receive religious messaging delivered that way. Gets emotionally upset defending Amy's background.”

Key MomentAnnie Lobert body count: ~100 personal not counting forced sex work

“Body count round: Annie clarifies ~100 personal (including during pimp relationships) but not counting forced sex acts. Shocked the panel.”

Key MomentAir Force Amy: body count 'only God knows' — over 1,000 work clients

“Air Force Amy declines to estimate personal body count, says 'only God knows' for work. Confirms over 1,000 work encounters over 30+ year career.”

Other100th episode champagne toast

“Super chat donor (Mr. Meatball) triggers champagne celebration. Panel toasts to 100th episode, Bunny Ranch, and Hookers for Jesus.”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship status round

Brian introduces panel of 9 guests. Each introduces name, age, occupation. Follow-up: current relationship status, longest relationship.

Annie Lobert: trafficking, conversion, and ministry

Annie Lobert shares escape from sex trafficking, two pimp partners, cocaine overdose in 2003, heart attack and conversion to Christianity. Founded Hookers for Jesus, runs Pink Chair safe houses. Met husband Oz Fox (Stryper) on MySpace.

Air Force Amy: legal prostitution career and background

Air Force Amy explains 30+ year legal brothel career at Bunny Ranch, Nevada. Explains Nevada brothel law, county restrictions, equity ownership of 4 brothels. Military background (Air Force, Nellis AFB). First relationship at 55+ via Match.com during COVID.

Should men marry prostitutes / sex workers

Debate on whether men should marry women with high body counts or sex work history. Chase and Andrew (Christian perspective) argue body count and sexual history matter. Annie and Air Force Amy push back. Discussion of redemption, repentance, and social judgment.

Religion vs sex work: Christianity debate

Extended debate between Andrew/Chase (Christian) and Air Force Amy/panel about whether prostitution is sinful. Air Force Amy challenges judgment. Annie Lobert mediates. SPEAKER_14 (unidentified woman) confronts Andrew about speaking to sex workers with empathy.

Borderline Personality Disorder panel discussion

Caitlin discloses BPD diagnosis and favorite person symptom. Gigi Dior discloses recent BPD diagnosis and dissociation during adult film work. Amy Dangerfield cautions against over-diagnosis culture. Andrew argues BPD/mental health issues are spiritual in origin.

Childhood trauma and entry into sex work

Panel discusses correlation between absent fathers, childhood trauma, and entry into sex work. Annie and Gigi share personal trauma backgrounds. Chase and Andrew argue father absence is root cause.

Body count: does it matter?

Panel discusses whether body count matters in relationships. Body counts revealed: Wendy ~5-6, Atlas ~9, Caitlin ~12, Gigi ~15, Annie ~100 (personal), Air Force Amy 1000+. Brian argues body count x3 heuristic from American Pie.

Going out to bars: relationship boundaries

Scenario: new boyfriend asks girlfriend to stop going to bars/clubs. Most guests say they would comply if in a committed relationship.

100th episode champagne celebration

Show wraps with champagne toast for 100th episode, donated by super chat. Brian thanks panel and Mr. Meatball for patronage.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasme should 100 oh my God I can't speak tonight 100 respect your boundaries however there are some dog type dudes out there that like I mean a lot of guys will play

Brian Atlasthey'll play like the Friendship role even if you're in a relationship and they're just waiting yeah when she gonna be single where's my like so I think women can be friends with men it's not clear to me

Brian Atlasthere's probably some men out there like can be friends with women but like I think a lot of men for example um you it sounds like you have a male friends right and you view them as just

Brian Atlasstrictly yes strictly Just Friends YouTube I'm sure all of you maybe have some male friends um uh probably the vast majority of them if given the opportunity if you're like hey do you want to hook up they would be

Brian Atlasdown they would hook up with you in fact we could do a little test here you got your phone on you text one of your male friends right now and be like hey we already know who to do it

Wendylike I've never seen I go party with him all the time every time a girl comes up to him he just goes like that and like I've never seen him talk to a girl or go up to a girl which is like oh you know

Brian Atlasno but he's not like that though like either way until he's in a relationship yeah uh we can't call him I can't call him because because he sucks at like

Brian Atlastexting we you'd have to text him just because California wiretapping laws not trying to catch a felony here but um gotta love these codes

Andrew Goldenuh no I think uh what are you gonna text him should I just be my friend be like be like oh wait hey what are you doing if he responds be like you want to hook up

Andrew Goldenand just see what he says you both I think that means like hang out isn't he do you wanna I don't know it's not pretty Netflix and chill question mark yeah do you like you want to hook up with like a winky face how about you want to cuddle

Caitlin Perryfor the sake of the experience all right let him respond hey Brian you want to pull up that secret Channel I'll read this one really hot and bothered guys City said please no more

Andrew Goldenreligious talk I like Chase when he's not on his soapbox smart nice guy just misdirecting his intellect towards fantasy stories shots fired come back more often Chase we've missed you just

Andrew Goldenleave that stuff for Jesse Lee Peterson's [ __ ] show great panel tonight well I uh I don't want to hijack Brian's show with the religious stuff but you will never get me to back down from it

Brian Atlasuh but thank you for uh expressing that you miss me it's good to be back with you guys and I think we're yeah we're all caught up on chats um so let us know has he

Andrew Goldenresponded yet let us know what he says so you just asked hey what are you doing yeah just wait wait till here no no no no what what you should do this is what you

Andrew Goldenshould do wait till he responds okay and then and then after he responds then be like yo like what are you doing tonight want to hook up like just something like that because if you just come right off the

Wendybat like if some random girl hit me up and was like yo want to hook up I'd be like what the hell he's literally the type to like laugh at your face no he will he'll laugh at me that's what he's gonna do

Caitlin Perryno he just doesn't want to he's gonna put like a thumbs down emoji or something if you already know that like he's not gonna want to text Texas he's my friend that wouldn't want to well

Brian Atlaswe've had girls today we've had girls say this though and then they get proven wrong like the guy's down yeah it could you should like what do you guys think would work does he have a girlfriend is he single okay are you single okay okay

Air Force Amymaybe they say yes it doesn't like affect his masculinity what he's not gonna he's gonna just pass up a chance of [ __ ] maybe he'll just say yes

Wendyliterally once I could even say a story from him like once we were at a party and a girl in our friend group like this happened like one our friend group a girl that she literally went up to him like literally all over him like trying

Wendyto kiss him he's just going like this back and forth and she he's like okay like after five minutes of her trying to kiss him she's like okay um go get me like a drink for the bar

Wendyand then like we'll like go to a corner and like I'll give you a kiss you know and then she goes gets him a drink and he just gets the drink and just walks and like walks away into the crowd and I literally witnessed that and I was just

Brian Atlaslike I was just dude wait yeah but like that was one specific example but does he like you see him hooking up with girls is he got does he have game or no like

Brian Atlasyeah okay all right uh do you have a guy that you can text to see if he would that was the guy

Atlasfriend group so yeah you guys try and set up a threesome here or what no I just might be more realistic if she said something like that but just being like yo you want yeah a girl's perspective what do you what do

Atlasyou think would be better I feel like when you're younger like at the age that they're at they don't talk that direct I feel like that's more like our age would be like that but like maybe if she made it into something more funny but still

Atlasgiving the sign like hey I'm gonna be hanging out with so and so and we want you to come over winky face maybe we could all do something fun ha ha you know I don't know that's oh that's that's like hanging that's hanging out

Andrew Goldenthis this is just like hanging out dude that sounds so bad right like so no no not like that kind of bad no it's vague it's too big what you got to do is be like be like

Caitlin PerryI'm I'm I'm I'm uh not doing anything tonight do you want to come over winky face yeah I think that's good I think that's decent I feel like he's not gonna pick up on that yeah oh I feel like he's not gonna pick up on

Gigi Diorthat and he's just gonna be like oh like okay like we're just gonna hang out question mark winky face it's so pre-2020 isn't it

Brian Atlasso you were talking about IX right and I think that's how we got onto this conversation what are some other icks EX oh he just said children here's here's a better question actually what's the

Brian Atlasworst ick you've ever gotten from a guy I think that would be interesting to hear from the ladies oh we could do that and then also what's like the most kind of minor ick but that was a deal breaker

Brian Atlaslike oh you [ __ ] didn't tie shoes or had mismatching socks or something like ridiculous or like a like can you guys can any of you remember a time you got the ick like really bad from a guy

TryndallinaI mean yeah yeah I think what what was it what happened so we were going out with some friends and I was waiting for them at the table and I realized that they were staring at me

Tryndallinafrom a far corner and just like giving me this vampire stare and I think they wanted me to come to them and I thought that was just like really possessive and kind of gross so they were just looking just extremely awkward well it was kind

Tryndallinaof weird because there was like two guys at the table but I had three friends so they were kind of occupying the guys so I felt like maybe he was uncomfortable um but like come and talk to me like I'm just sitting there like don't stare at

Tryndalliname like yeah yeah and I just like the guy came up like one of the guys on the table came up to me and said I think that's your boyfriend staring at you and I turned around and it's just like um Slender Man in the corners wait so

Andrew Goldenyou were dating this guy yeah kind of like just uh yeah did you stop talking to him after that um yeah pretty much because I would be so curious to hear the story

Wendyfrom his perspective yeah I think he would feel like I figured out yeah my ex he had um so I I invited him over but I was

Wendywith my friends like he just wanted to hang out with me like he just wanted to hang out with me I just wanted to and then I was at my friends he comes over but he's like oh well my cousin's coming I'm like okay he

Wendycould come too like I have my friends are just there like you know and then he right when they like I thought like right when he got there like his cousin

Wendywas just like all over one of my friends and then my friends was like can you like um like I don't want to hook up I don't know what you know like nothing like because it was like implying like let's go to a room you know and like none of

Wendythem knew him and then after like she said like oh like I don't know you like I don't even know your name and then um he's like yeah and then he was like

Wendytrying to like like hook up with her and he just started like his nose started flaring up he was in the corner with his eyes all big scary literally like staring her down the whole time and then

Wendymy my ex now but my boyfriend at the time he literally looks at me he's like oh we have to leave early then and I'm just like that's disgusting so but then the whole

Wendytime they were just both just staring down on my friend like Mad Dogs like they were just like mad the whole time oh that's pretty awkward okay uh Andrew what can a woman do to give you

Andrew Goldenthe ick yeah I've already mentioned that right um all I'm looking for like what if you were talking to a Christian girl okay and like what could she do to make you be like oh man I'm really not interested

Chasein you you know uh when I talked to girls they made it pretty obvious so what makes it obvious if um that's what I approached to her I'm about to ask her out and you know she's just not engaged in the

Brian Atlasconversation or looking away or whatever she it's like okay I'm not gonna ask you out then you know that's about it Andrew I got a question for you uh do you want to get with a woman who is a virgin does

Chaseshe have to be a virgin well she doesn't have to be but it's preferable yeah are you a virgin I am yes nice

Gigi Diorso would you date somebody or proceed with somebody who is like like born again or has found it later like you

Brian Atlasknow had a promiscuous yeah I mean what about like she's been with like 50 dude 100 dudes yeah it doesn't know okay straight up

Chaseoh she but but she's she's repented and she's Found Jesus yes still no still probably no bro it depends bro like I don't know I'd have to meet her you know would you even have that conversation with her if she didn't give you any like

Gigi Diorred flags to think that she had been with like sexual history Bunch would probably come up uh you know okay all right let me let me so how many yeah

Andrew Goldenlet me lay out and so do boys yeah let me lay out a uh scenario for you you start talking to a chick she's awesome loves Jesus super cool woman

Andrew Goldenand uh you guys are a few dates in and you're like you're really pumped like you you you're like yo I might have just found my wife and then like a few weeks in she drops the bomb I've

Chaseslept with 60 dudes but I'm but I'm but yeah I'm right there with you you know if I got a degree

Chaseif I get a direct command from God like in the book of Hosea then yeah I would do it but other than that there's no way bro just wait and real what what's Chase

Brian Atlasyou're uh you're you're not a virgin but you're waiting until marriage now correct I'm uh continuing to do my best to maintain

Brian Atlasabstinence was there uh

Andrew GoldenI will say I will say it I am not above Temptation no chase it's over it's over

Brian Atlasit's so over it is over so there's some people context Bachelor day the last my understanding the last time you were on or in previous shows you were on

Brian Atlasyou had been celibate for two years two and a half years three years three years no longer Chase are you saying that you hold on you

Brian Atlasbroke your celibacy Chase I fell into temptation bro Chase oh my goodness he was tempted Chase I'm how does Andrew feel I'm not

Andrew Goldenmad I'm just disappointed yeah you think you think you're the only one bro I I knew I knew I would have to own this coming on today and I'm humble enough to own it but yeah it's I'm disappointed

Andrew Goldentoo it sucks man so what's the process like now what's the process like now um healthy communication continuing to uh do my best to maintain self self-control

Andrew Goldenand honor God with my body so I'm assuming this is you and your fiance I don't have a fiance or you're oh sorry I thought that's what you said you plugged into a church yes somewhat not as much as I should be though yeah but I'm telling you once you get plugged

Chaseinto a church you give some accountability with men that are you know we're gonna help you out along the way yep yep I need that in my life did you dump her what did you dump her after you slept with her no he's still with her he

Brian Atlascheers is it the same girl all right this conversation's over here um okay wow I'm a little heartbroken I am heartbroken uh but okay all right moving on moving

Brian Atlason I'm gonna get I'm gonna get roasted in the chapter oh no we get roasted if you get to love yourself we all uh stray from time and time okay all right um how did

Brian Atlaswe get there I actually throw my period ring out a window oh is there an update did the guy respond okay yeah into the mic if you can

Caitlin Perryhe said chilling at Jacob's and I said I've kind of started to get a crush on you would you ever want to hook up okay we say what these did he respond no he hasn't opened it Mike dropped he's like

Atlasdo you think he's watching the show though do you think he's watching no he doesn't even they don't know we're here oh okay okay I feel like if somebody touched me then they're like just kidding I would like it would it would break you not like

Atlasbreak me unless I really really really liked them but that might hurt my feelings okay uh well that's interesting so

Brian Atlasuh Wendy also in your messages to us you said and I quote guys literally [Laughter]

Brian Atlasliterally orange [ __ ] LOL but yes topics about cheating um so guys aren't [ __ ] guys literally aren't [ __ ] literally or figuratively it's confusing

Brian Atlasum so they want to be too rude uh when you say guys literally aren't [ __ ] or guys aren't [ __ ] what what do you what do you mean they'd be [ __ ] up or men [ __ ] up

Wendyis that what you're trying yeah maybe cheating maybe literally like dogs like there's like I don't know okay interesting okay

Brian Atlasum like what about like so okay there's obviously I don't think you know what happened with the X and the cheating that's certainly not uh acceptable in a relationship what about just your

Wendyencounters with single man when you've been single um are you encountering when I'm single when they're single it's just like I don't care what you do it's just because I like we're not committed yet

Wendyyou know like that's what I think when I'm in a relationship I'm committed to that person but when I'm single it's just like I'm not I know that they're gonna do whatever they're gonna do and I don't have a say in it you know when

Gigi Diorjust when does I'm sorry can I ask her a question sure I just want to know like when you say like once you're committed does the conversation occur like because I know like dating for your age and

Gigi Diordating for like probably my age is similar but very very different right so like do you say specifically we're in a committed relationship now we are no longer seeing anyone else or is it just

Wendya vibe it's just like um we both know you know like he wouldn't want me to be like going with him and then going with someone else like when we're together you know or like

Wendyum just in general me being in relationship and just like texting other guys like I wouldn't want him to be doing that you know because for me when I actually get

Wendyin a relationship I give them like like that's like my all what kind of because um I don't really be like pushing forward relationship like I

Wendydon't really like it's not it's not like I don't know it's not really my type to like be in relationship and when once I am in one is like wow like you know like okay I have a couple questions on this

Brian Atlasso you will not initiate the relationship conversation you want the guy to initiate the conversation is that correct yeah well how many of you feel the same

Gigi Diorway I don't care I guess I think it should be the woman who initiates that conversation but uh I think it might like dating it more like a live older I

Gigi Diorthink there's more of a Vibe and then there's a conversation like I think like you understand that what's your Mutual understanding yeah when you're dating in your 40s I think

Gigi Diorthat's dangerous though it is and then I think I asked long-term dating I like I did do after my divorce and he was like of course and it was kind of like I was stupid for

Gigi Diorasking but I wanted to make sure because I it was dangerous right like that's how a lot of people want to know that the dating apps are down and I

Brian Atlasdefinitely think think like if you there should be no questions I think there ought to be and I mean this is if if you think that this is your boyfriend or girlfriend you should certainly be

Brian Atlascapable of having the conversation about exclusivity I mean that's something together you need to be able to well it's kind of important in a relationship to be able to communicate with each other I do think that there should be an

Brian Atlasovert conversation about hey we're just seeing each other we're exclusive because I think a lot of people can sometimes get confused uh or think they're in a relationship when you

Brian Atlasthey're not and it could go both ways I mean but some girls think that they're exclusive with a guy and he's like no like I'm still seeing other people like so I think it is important to have

Brian Atlasthat over a conversation um so uh and the other thing you were saying was so what about you're talking about when well if we're not in a relationship yet he's going to be with other he might I

Brian Atlasdon't care we're not exclusive fine he's gonna do his thing what about you are you seeing other guys during this period like do you have a

Wendyroster right now what's the siege you got a roster no I don't have

Wendyum I don't know if it's just other people but I don't I'm not really like like a sexual person I'm not really like a dating person I don't know like it's just always been like that my whole life

Wendyyou're not a sexual person or a dating person so yeah like I don't really need to do it you know like like other people like I know other people oh that's why he cheated on you then of course oh my God no like when I'm in a relationship

Wendyyeah like it's a different story like I'm talking like um like when I'm talking to people like I don't need like like when I'm single like right you know it's not okay I I think it's not like

Brian AtlasI'm a Hound Dog you know like she has to go get it right you're not pressed to get laid okay sure sure I thought you meant you were not sexual

Brian Atlaswithin a monogamous relationship no like when I'm in relationship it's good but so uh right now you're single come on there's a guy there's some guy in the

Wendypicture right a little thing a little thing

Wendyum um you got crush or I I have one one Crush yeah but say his name publicly no I'm just kidding no are

Wendyyou gonna make it to school I can't no a lot of people watch it so you guys what's the extent of your guys's um if like I go to like it's like because I go to party over here and I

Wendyread yeah with my friends sometimes like mostly all the time and then um I'm gonna say sometimes when I know why or I go to rock fire just to like just drink with my friends or like

Wendywhatever and then like once he was I met him he's just like a security I'm gonna say from who what is the security from part some party and um just one day I was just really getting angry at my friends they were just all

Wendydrunk I was the only one sober getting care of learning you can imagine just a group of people that are just drunk and then he just kind of says like if you want

Wendyso it's too late like so you don't have to get Uber you could like come from like miles you could like sleep on the couch like trying to be nice you know really quote-unquote trying to be nice I

Wendyknow and then yeah after that I just like I see him so did you end up crashing on his couch or in his bed yeah

Wendyhow often do you see him um I would say like about like once a week I think or two is this a sneaky link yeah TY but he literally told me that

Wendywhenever like I don't want to go home from or like I'm coming back from a party I could just like go to his house like whenever I want you spend the night or you dip after the

Brian Atlasdeed is done oh I spend the night okay all right have you heard back from dude no let me look

Caitlin Perrylook I'm pretty

Brian AtlasI'm pretty okay maybe he knows you're on the show um what about you do you have a roster right now what's into the microphone

Brian Atlasno comment come on give us the details that's a yes I don't know the truth what do you want

Brian Atlasso uh are you like seeing and is there do you have a main piece and some side pieces you got one main what three main pieces yeah there's like one guy I like

Caitlin Perrymore than the other 12. the other how many oh no no

Brian Atlaslike there's like three like three or definitely three like definitely three okay maybe definitely three maybe four

Caitlin Perryis there a fourth one in there no three eight so are you going on dates with all three of them um one one of the guys yeah one of them but

Unknownlike we both know that it's not a relationship oh okay and what about the other two what does one of them think it's a relationship no okay I wouldn't after being cheated on I'd never cheat on

Caitlin Perrysomeone else okay but um no the other guys are just guys illegal like I talk to or like um to see a party sometimes okay

Caitlin Perrycan I ask like what's the point I mean I don't know like one of the guys like I like but um I just don't want to be in a

Caitlin Perryrelationship and then I don't see him like that often because he doesn't live here and then um the other guys I don't know well enough yeah like I'm just getting to know them

Brian AtlasI guess wait so you say you talk but like so are you hooking up with all three of them no have you have you hooked up with all

Caitlin Perrythree of them just oh one of them and then the other two you one of them I haven't at all and then one of them like

Tryndallinanot sex like just like I've been out with them yeah I'm casually dating then yeah just saying that's okay yeah

Brian Atlasgood times good times okay all right you know people people nowadays I guess have rosters um she's got a roster

Tryndallinathat's not a roster no well she's just saying that she's like casually dating yeah she's not like sleeping with them like committing to one of them I guess she's got these homies on rotation that's a

Tryndallinaroster my friend I feel like oh no at that age as well nothing like at that age or nothing but it's kind of nice to learn how to date and like how to ask what you want or see what you like

Tryndallinaerroneous um erroneous okay um but as long as you're just not like cheating yeah like spreading yourself like that much like even just sexually

Tryndallinayou're not looking for that do they know about each other to know about each other

Air Force AmyI think that's what I'm understanding you're just yeah no I know people that have like rosters on dating apps they keep like a a spreadsheets

Air Force Amyyeah I don't know about match.com I think it's uh I the whole thing with the roster I think it's uh

Brian Atlasit's pretty easy to date one person at a time you know it's not that hard I I think that's and if you want to find a relationship I think that's the probably the best way

Caitlin Perryone person at a time but the question is do you want to find a relationship I do but I got so lost in my last relationship that like uh this is just I

Caitlin Perryhave Borderline Personality Disorder so I get something called my favorite person so when I go into like that like everything like my mood everything depends on how they feel and then it

Andrew Goldenthrows me off a lot so you saying you have it too you got it too yeah that's why two friends with borderline personality disorders I've been diagnosed wait what I don't know

Atlashow to date somebody with like borderline personality disorder and saying how it is so possible to have like a genuine yeah it's not a

Caitlin Perryproduction that's a tough one yeah it's just like after being in a relationship for some and I was diagnosed like halfway through my relationship so I didn't even know at the beginning like what was happening what was going on and

Caitlin Perrythen once I was diagnosing I was able to work with it but coming from that like I need to be like by myself emotionally like I don't feel like I can get connected enough to a person to where I

Caitlin Perrycan give like myself to them without losing myself so that's kind of like why I'm like just getting to know people feeling everything out like seeing stuff like that because if I were to be in a

Brian Atlascommitted relationship I would lose myself right now do you get really when you find a guy you you like you really like them like you're almost obsessed or

Caitlin Perrynot really I mean I never really got oh sorry I never really got with like the obsessive kind of thing it was more so just like in a way you could say that like I was

Caitlin Perrylike he would be upset and then I would be upset he would be mad at me and I'd like freak out like I would be like oh my gosh I don't know well it would it would be like I would actually like spiral

Caitlin Perrylike just smack him around a little bit no like it wasn't like that like I would get upset with myself or like making him upset or like he would cheat on me and then he would get upset that I found out

Caitlin Perryand then he would get really mad at me and then I would take his like feeling um mad or upset and I would put that onto myself because like how dare you find out yeah it was yeah so that makes

Gigi Diorsense on why she's so afraid of giving up the 50 50. yeah it does it makes so much more sense now because she's afraid of losing herself entirely into somebody

Gigi Diorelse so if she gives that that extra 50 or even an extra 10 or 20 she could lose herself entirely I dated a girl who had

Brian Atlasborderline personality disorder how'd that go you did it was turbulent it was turbulent yeah but intense yes like

Brian Atlasintense yeah let's hear your love story now oh about yours uh itself differently than you because for

Wendyher it was like obsession like any free it was intense okay um like crazy obsession he's saying like watching you when you're like sleeping no make sure you're

Brian Atlassleeping not like a creepy thing but just like really like because I think a lot of people play it kind of cool when it comes to dating you know they're LOL maybe they're a little

Brian Atlaslaid off what's that aloof yeah kind of aloof is a good word and kind of nonchalant when it comes to dating people aren't like upfront super overt like oh my God I'm like I really like like she came on strong super strong I

Brian Atlasdon't know if that's called love bombing I don't know if that's a term yeah we do do that a little bit Yeah you can do that a little bit oh yeah um so on one hand it can be like kind of

Brian Atlasintoxicating in the sense of like whoa like damn she's into me it's sweet right but also yeah and then it gets intense like then it's like

Wendyarguments borderline personality and narcissism usually Co yeah usually a bunch of guys that like Studio girl that's like that they like use it as

Wendylike their advantage by saying like oh well like she'll do anything for me I forgot what that [ __ ] means bro

Brian AtlasNick what oh okay okay sorry it's been a minute since just just just like wide angles that means you have that's it's good go ahead well okay so have you seen Meet

Brian Atlasthe Parents with Robert De Niro Ben Stiller so hilarious me and Nick set up this this hand gesture thing so the in Meet the

Brian Atlasmeet them yeah if you go like this and it means you got to use the bathroom it's when they were teaching the babies yeah yeah yeah and so Nick and then Nick

Brian Atlasstarted doing it like three months for the first time ever I was like the [ __ ] are you doing there okay um wait so you're bipolar how does that manifest itself

Wendymood swing like she said like slashed the dudes tires what are we talking here no no I'm talking about like um the same thing that she was saying

Wendylike when he will get angry I'll be angry or like my whole mood would just change okay or like I just well for me I'd be like I become once I'm angry I

Wendystay angry like she's seeing it like I like once I'm angry like that's it like I'm just angry for a while until I get out of it but it takes for me like to get out I don't know why it's just like she's just like just like

Tryndallinamost women to be honest I was like that when I was younger and As I Grew Older I know I think it it's true yeah stop being young and not really knowing where you're chicks

Gigi Diorborderline what is borderline personality don't even bother because until you like do something for me I disassociate um so like you have it too I do okay um

Gigi DiorI was recently diagnosed with it actually this last summer so um for me I disassociate so especially when I first started um in the adult industry I would um like almost like check out and to a

Gigi Diordifferent personality and a different personality would then take on the adult role that I was doing and then me like that's sitting here would have no recollection or no memory of what

Gigi Dioractually happened so I would see it on film or on like whatever and I'd be like I have no memory of that isn't that more of just a trauma response yeah I don't know if you're going through something

Atlasdifferent stages you disassociate so you can see yeah yes yes so does that correlate to the the BPD I have different personalities that take over during

Gigi Diorsorry I have different personalities that take over during those instances so I don't just disassociate and like but like I have other names for different yeah okay so okay there's a couple

Brian Atlashere's a couple traumatic situations okay that makes sense um so fear of Abandonment unstable relationships unclear shifting self-image impulsive self-destructive behaviors uh extreme

Brian Atlasemotional swings chronic feelings of emptiness explosive anger

Amy DangerfieldI want to say something and I really I don't want to sound offensive but I honestly feel like a lot of those things you listed off are like the product of the times like unfortunately and for sure there are uh you know checks and

Amy Dangerfieldbalances that you can go through to be properly diagnosed but I also see a generation that are persistently self-iding themselves with many things from mental health conditions trans stuff whatever it may be and

Caitlin Perryunfortunately I think that a lot of these underlying symptoms are just a product of the times and unfortunately this world that we live in I mean I feel like you saying that does kind of suck because it does kind of feel like

Caitlin Perryinvalidating because I went through all the steps to be diagnosed correct I like in and out of Mental Hospitals like a very self-destructive Behavior which I

Caitlin Perryknow we can't talk about but yeah um so hearing you say that and like I do get it because a lot of people do self-diagnose that's right right and that's why I said it's different when you go through checks and

Amy Dangerfieldbalances like which is your story I'm talking more so specifically to those list of symptoms that he read often to somebody who actually has it I'm sure that manifests in such terrible ways

Amy Dangerfieldthat I can't even begin to imagine but I think on a low level a lot of people probably would read that and be like hey I'm dying and we are seeing a huge incidence of people self-iding in this DNA well I was watching one of your

Gigi Diorepisodes recently and a girl was like um I thought it was ironic she goes I have ADHD really bad but I kind of made a joke out of it because whoever has ADHD

Gigi Diorjust a little like nobody ever says like I have ADHD just a little bit like it's always so inflated and it's always so exaggerated and we are regenerate like

Gigi Diorit is a generation of kids with ADHD and um autism and all of these these identifications and um it's it is like I think it needs to

Gigi Diorbe more diagnostic versus just a list of symptoms that we can Google googleology like I call it people's Google MD you know like you can Google a sore throat

Gigi Diorand now all of a sudden throat cancer like you know like it it's it's just a it's a downward spiral of so disaster what is the solution to all

Chasethese psychological conditions because you know the pharmaceutical industry thinks it's just you know take some pills but I think this is a highly spiritual issue we Are Spiritual Beings

Chaseand I think the consequences of sin I really think that's what's going on I think you know whenever you disobey God you you're sexually immoral you sleep around a lot that has spiritual

Chaseramifications upon your life and those spiritual ramifications have biological ramifications so you get these chemical imbalances in your brain you get depression you get bipolar because of the spiritual state that

Chaseyou're that you're in that's what I believe but Christ can renew your mind he can fix that amen if you simply bow the knee to him you know I'm not saying

Chaseit's going to happen instantly it's called sanctification it's it's growing in in Christ growing to be more like him you know it's a process but you know when Jesus said

Chasehe used the language of being born again that's truly what happens your your new creation old things pass away and All Things become new it's happened to me I believe he can Testify the same thing it's happened to him you know I don't

Chasethink the same way that I used to I don't desire the same things that I used to desire and it's because Christ lives in me I also personally don't struggle with the same things that I used to struggle 100 before I knew Jesus so can you share anything wait hold on one

Andrew Goldensecond hold on one second question for you do you think that the trauma that you experienced as a girl with your dad and stuff might have contributed to developing BPD oh yeah yeah okay so to go back to your question how we can fix

Andrew Goldenthis Jesus Christ societal return to Jesus Christ and fixing the broken families which comes down to men fixing themselves women

Andrew Goldenfixing themselves pursuing Jesus having awesome families where men actually love their daughters and actually protect them and actually protect them that's that's my opinion on how we fix this

Annie Lobertbecause I think that's who sin starts from what'd you say who sinned respectively who sins because her father did not fulfill what he needed to do as a father so how does she respond to that

Annie Lobertbecause she needs empathy and compassion and love no turn to Christ through Jesus Christ and and I'm talking about God's love Yeah amen the ladies in our home many of them have

Annie Lobertdifferent issues and I've had my own personally and the love that was given to me by different people in my life and of course the love centered on God and Jesus has completely changed my life and

Annie Lobertmy thinking and when I got started spiraling because I understand what you ladies are saying I totally forget it that's actually me

TTSone common trait I've seen between most sex workers is they have trauma fellas stay in your daughter's lives amen

Gigi Diorif you look statistically it's extremely high number of trauma history that we're in 100 but fathers keep their daughters off the stripper

Brian Atlaspole and their son's out of prison go ahead by loving their children

Wendythat's how yeah because I did do I did Ryan uh a subject about like this like

Wendyum this childhood trauma affect like the way um we we become as an adult you know and

Wendyum a thousand percent and then it is like the [ __ ] like it's a bunch of like it is mostly a lot is like cases that I did was um the father wasn't present and it was just the kid was not in the right

Wendyenvironment and then not being in the right environment um chose them to like either be in jail or um like just

Andrew Goldenjust become like a stripper you know it it has a massive massive impact on people yeah you know the the way the way a person does or doesn't receive love from their parent when they're a kid has

Andrew Goldena massive impact on their internalization of self-worth whether or not they feel lovable self-image it's the reason why so many women who have been abused as children end up in these

Andrew Goldenindustries there's no question about it I can speak personally to it like we live in a society of people with daddy issues everybody's got daddy issues a lot of people also have mommy

Andrew Goldenissues I I am someone who had somewhat still struggles with daddy issues like my my biological father has like completely ignored my existence for my entire life and like for a long time

Andrew Goldento to continue this thread of how Jesus heals these things for a long time I internalize that as like I am not worthy of love like I am a human being who is not worthy of love from the father and to continue the thread with what we've

Andrew Goldenbeen saying about God like the way we heal those wounds as people you know what Andrew is saying with respect to Healing your your wounds your bipolar disorder so on and so forth like my healing that I did in relation to my

Andrew Goldendad it was through finding the love of my heavenly father you know like knowing that my heaven my Father in Heaven actually loves me and unconditionally even though my biological father doesn't like that was huge for me and diving

Air Force Amyinto that and understanding that like healed everything for me you know self-esteem comes from doing esteemable things and women can do esteemable

Chasethings in and outside of the industry I would disagree with that um I don't think there's anything estimable about prostitution to be honest with you

Chaseum this is just the way God regards it it's an Abomination to him but um that doesn't mean you can't be an esteemable person though if you repent of it yeah if you repent the call goes out to everybody the prostitutes the

Chase[ __ ] you know the people Christ did not come for good people there's nobody good he came for the jacked up people that's you and me so uh let me just share a couple verses with you it's

ChaseRomans 12 1 and 2. Paul's writing to the church at Rome and he says I urge you Brethren by the mercies of God to present your bodies as a Living Sacrifice holy and acceptable to God for

Chasethis is your spiritual worship and he says do not be conformed to this world that's everything we're talking about right all the problems the lust of the eyes the less the flesh the pride of life do not be conformed to this world

Chasebut be transformed by the renewing of your mind that by testing you may able you maybe you may be able to discern what is the will of God

Air Force Amybeautiful for you to believe thank you not everybody said that not everybody subscribes to that that teaching that Bible that book people operate people

Air Force Amyoperate outside of that book do they operate absolutely and they're wrong no they're not wrong you know you're wrong for saying that other people are wrong wait wait hold on you're judging other people hold on hold on why are you judging other people hold on hold on

Andrew Goldenhold on it's self-righteousness and bigotry let me let me let me let me Immediate you could Judge Too one second one second one second one second let me mediate here you said earlier in the conversation you love Jesus Christ I do yeah

Andrew GoldenJesus said if you love me you will keep my commands but hold on you said you love Jesus I don't judge people hold on though I love what Jesus stands for okay what

Andrew GoldenJesus stands for is telling people to turn away from sin though

AtlasI thought what Jesus stood for is that you you're all going to sin yes you're going to send you're going to make mistakes and I'm coming here

Atlasto to shed like isn't it that he comes here to shed his blood because we're all Sinners so he makes the great sacrifice for us and that doesn't mean that you get to sit here and be like oh well he

Atlasdid that so now I'm just going to be a piece of [ __ ] but he's like no you're going to keep sinning in one way or another even if it's like a little one or a big one probably until the day you die and that's why I came here for you I

Andrew Goldenthought that was his yes he did he did hold on he did give his life he shed his blood on the cross to pay for our sins so that you know it says in the Bible that the wages of sin

Andrew Goldenare death right everybody who sins they deserve technically to go to hell in God's eyes Christ gave his life so that we he could pay the sacrifice for our sins and if we believe in him and repent of our sins and have faith in his

Andrew Goldenresurrection then we can go to heaven but to continue willingly sinning to choose to sin is it's a rejection of his sacrifice the way I look at it it kind of like spits in his face almost that is

Atlastotally understandable my only concern is like with the utmost respect to you both is like who are you to make that judgment if somebody's you know what I mean I'm not I'm not worthy of

Brian Atlasjudging anybody I'm like I'm not worthy of judging anymore you're doing it wrong you know but like how do you well can you but can't on an individual level can't you say well maybe this isn't good

Atlasfor you maybe this isn't good for Society on which aspect I'm sorry well yours so just when she said so she had said something like

Atlasum not everyone subscribes to the book right we're talking about just like subscribes to the exact religion okay and he said well then they're doing it wrong it's like what what if that person

Atlasjust has like a higher power they believe in God but maybe they don't quite understand like the Bible who are we to say that they're doing it wrong maybe they're right on God's path well

Brian Atlasthere's probably there's probably secular arguments that you can make against sure prostitution I'm not I'm not an evangelist so I don't have those same

Andrew Goldenbeliefs as you do okay and I'm never going to win okay so yeah to to answer your question who are we to judge hold on one second hold on one second to answer your question who are we to Judge Andrew and I are not qualified to judge

Andrew Goldenlike I I will be the first to admit I'm not qualified to judge another person because I'm not God I don't know like I'm grateful to have heard your guys's life stories because it makes sense why you've gone down the path that you've

Andrew Goldengone down like I can't judge that because I didn't go through it our only job is not to judge but to share what the word of God says because the word of God leads people to Heaven I want you guys to have Heaven okay so

Atlasyou're not saying like oh what you're thinking is wrong like you're just sharing that like that's how it resonates within with no what I'm saying is within God's eyes it's wrong I'm sorry it's wrong within God's eyes that's what we're saying okay there's a

Annie LobertI'm gonna say can I say one thing go ahead there's a fine line with this because if you guys remember Matthew 21 31 Jesus is a Pharisee and tax collectors

Andrew Goldenwe we can't judge people we have to bring what we believe we can't judge people in the right way are we allowed inescapable yeah we are talking about

Annie Lobertthat yeah the way that you spoke to Amy and I think you can you can tell that well because listen did you hear her background yes

Unknownyou guys do not know how to speak to someone that's been in the sex industry with all due respect you don't understand

Unknownand when you understand what that looks like to a woman what love looks like since they've been so hurt

Unknownand so bashed by a man in their lives they she's not gonna receive it do you see that she's receiving what you're saying it's not up to me I'm getting upset

Unknownbecause you don't understand her no I don't know God sees her heart she does love Jesus for what she knows that may be true let her maybe figure it out

Amy Dangerfieldand it's not just about you guys here it's for this platform think about it they have a platform with like thousands of people watching right now so it's not just for you guys but the influence and what that they want to impart on the people who are here it's not just about

Amy Dangerfieldlike I understand what you're saying I do agree that they've actually been pretty empathetic towards the whole situation um but I can totally also see how it's very triggering and why that would cause a lot of intense emotions to come up but

Gigi Diorit's really it's not just about you guys it's for the platform as well I encourage you to keep doing what you're doing because hopefully your word will make men stronger yes and make them

Gigi Diorstand up and be the men that women need them to be and that will allow women to be submissive and to want to follow does

Gigi Diorthat make sense yeah does that make sense like so I'm completely encouragement of what you're spreading um and I I agree I think you've been very respectful and I just want to say

Amy Dangerfieldthank you to so much seriously for sharing your story it's really crazy to think of everything that you've been through the fact you're still sitting here right now and I well I would really just hope more than anything is this

Amy Dangerfieldgoes out as some type of a message to maybe younger girls who are getting into the sex work industry yes you have both been through so much and you are a product of the circumstances that you've been through and you've tried to make the most of that and I have respect for

Amy Dangerfieldyou for that reason but I just really hope that this can serve as an example for some of the younger girls that like this isn't the road that you want to ultimately grew down I'm going to say one last thing about it and then we can move on because I know Brian's fed up

Andrew Goldenwith the religious talk look Andrew and I are in no way authorized to tell anybody who's going to heaven or hell because that's not our judgment we can tell you what God says about that

Andrew Goldenthe thing Jesus did with the woman at the well he told her eternal life is in me go and sin no more all Andrew and I are trying to do is say eternal life is in Christ go and sin no more that's it we're not qualified to

Annie Lobertjudge your lives but no one's asked me about me falling in love that's good yeah okay for the first time in my life fall in love with Jesus she'll win on that one girl you fall in love with him fall in love with him because he's

Brian Atlasperfect and they're not straight ask her dating questions she's ready is what she's saying she's ready for the dating I don't even know what the [ __ ] is going on

Brian Atlasyou look underwhelmed good times good times

Amy Dangerfieldwait yeah I appreciate it you're Annie right any of someone left to chat for you too they did

Annie Lobertyeah okay we'll read that one um wait isn't your organization called isn't it Jesus for hookers hookers for

Brian AtlasJesus and it means it's officials it's official hookers for Jesus yeah I would actually like to propose since we're talking about this a couple other non-profit organization names

Atlasum what about what do you guys think about atheists for Jesus that's a good one is that I like that one yeah but it's really gonna be more like Jesus for atheists that'd probably be better I

Brian Atlasactually do think there's like an organization that's like their atheist but they like Jesus was so [ __ ] dope that they love yeah

Brian Atlasa framework for believing in God but they're like Jesus's teachings were [ __ ] lit yeah I'm sorry no no but they're like this is some it's yeah some good [ __ ]

Brian Atlasyeah results in societal flourishing so okay Jesus and dope in the same sentence all right let me do a couple chats here hi Annie God bless you appreciate you've

Brian Atlasbeen following forever hi Chase question for the panel what is a woman's purpose what are some things women should build in themselves before dating you know I think I think before the men answer I'd

Andrew Goldenlove to hear the women answer it can you repeat it one more time what is a woman's purpose yep and what are some things women should build in themselves before dating okay so I'm working let's start with you and then we'll go all the

Brian Atlaswe'll try to have everyone answer if you can be brief with your answers go ahead what is a woman's purpose start with that that's fine if if you just nothing comes to mind that's fine

Atlasblank I don't know blanked okay well people can have like their own individual purpose and then you can share a common person Purpose with like the greater of all women so I don't know

Atlasit really just depends what your personal purpose is and then me I'm trying to just like heal you know I'm trying to heal a lot of stuff I'm trying

Atlasto I'm going to school so I want to get into my career and heal and I'm doing a lot of research on dating because I haven't really dated before so I'm trying to learn like what is dating

Atlaswhat's like the appropriate protocol I'm also not sleeping with anybody and just kind of like working on myself so that's what I'm going to be doing before I

Gigi Diorstart dating that's good I think a woman's purpose is to have children and I think to be the nurturer in the household relationship if she

Gigi Diorcan't have children then be a active Aunt you know uh what have you in the family and then um to to really be I think a good

Gigi Diorperson in a relationship I think you have to know your own boundaries and have firm boundaries and know where you stand on things um and just like she said heal like you

Gigi Diorhave to heal through or have somebody that's willing to work on healing with you and get through those things together so those are Penny what about you I think a woman's purpose and it has

Annie Lobertchanged by the way I used to think a different thing but she is a man's help mate and she is the queen of the household he is the king and they lead the kingdom together and they both love God with all their heart amen that's

Andrew Goldengood amen Amy what would you say to the second question what are some things women should build in themselves before dating what does it say how what are some things women should build well first of

Annie Lobertall I mean there's many things but for me personally when I started dating Oz I was celibate for four years and it's because I was so broken in my relationships that I could not figure

Annie Lobertout how to be attractive to a man besides my sexuality so I focused on my healing and when my healing came that was so attractive to my husband it turned him on so much that I was such a

Annie Lobertstrong woman that I knew who I was in Christ he fell for me like you can ask them yourself like very fast and didn't tell me but I knew he was the one and he knew I was the one that's awesome he loved what I was doing too he

Andrew Goldenloved that I was helping women Air Force Amy what would you say a woman's purpose is

Air Force Amytrue guide lead support

Air Force Amylove love

TryndallinaI believe women should be looking at guiding and nourishing their environment and creating uh and for like the second question

Tryndallinaum understand like what diligence means and how to be like due diligent to yourself and to others Amy um wait what was the first part of the

Amy Dangerfieldquestion what is a woman's purpose a woman's purpose so I would agree with everything that everyone here has said so far I think that when you go through things in your life you can use that to become your purpose like God has done with your life and I think that's very

Amy Dangerfieldbeautiful but generally speaking um I agree to be a life supporter nurturer um you know if you're unable to have kids or um if that's not the path that you go

Amy Dangerfielddown still finding some way to be able to evoke those types of emotions in your life and to what you would work on uh for me has been a lot of emotional intelligence and communication skills as

Andrew Goldenwell it's been my so as far as what a woman's purpose is I would say first and foremost from a Christian perspective of course to glorify God God created women to be

Andrew Goldenhelpmates to men to be supportive to them to partner with them like she said a queen to a man who is her King obviously also mothers as well um

Andrew Goldenwhat are some things that women should build in in themselves before dating you know I think something no women do or very few women do is they ask themselves what would the kind of man that I want

Andrew Goldenwant in a woman I think that's a really really good question for women to ask themselves and equally I think it's a good question for men to ask themselves what would the kind of woman that I want want in a man

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