BANGS IS BACK?! Round 3! FIGHT! | Dating Talk #86

Date: 2023-07-24

Duration: 6h 31m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBrooke (DT86)>

AAli Hardesty >

AAmy Dangerfield >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_02Karen(guest)

SPEAKER_03Bangs(guest)

SPEAKER_04Amy Dangerfield(guest)

SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_07Nev(guest)

SPEAKER_08Ali Hardesty(guest)

SPEAKER_09Aelia(guest)

SPEAKER_10Essie(guest)

SPEAKER_11Brooke(guest)

SPEAKER_12Naomi(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteKaren introduces herself as a 31yo porn star and discusses her professional body count

“"hi I'm Karen I'm 31 and I'm a porn star... I sleep with a lot of people during the week and sometimes more than one like today I slept with two"”

QuoteNaomi reveals she has been celibate for 3 years 4 months since March 2020

“"I am single and celibate for 3 years and four months since March 2020 pandemic"”

QuoteNaomi announces she is a respiratory therapist who leads worship at church with her twin sister

“"my name is Naomi I'm 31 I'm a respiratory therapist and I also do worship leading at church... me and my twin sister both"”

QuoteEssie offers to quit OnlyFans and become a supportive girlfriend for a chat donor (beaten cheeks)

“"Mr if you are looking for a girlfriend I am willing to quit only fans if you will support me full time I will cook for you clean for you I will do anything that you need me to as a supportive girlfriend um just hit me up after the podcast"”

QuoteKaren reveals she slept with 15 people in 9 days while shooting in Miami

“"I was just in Miami and I think I slept with 15 people there... nine days... I was shooting yeah... it's unsafe we're all getting tested"”

QuoteBrian introduces Jonah Hill surfer girlfriend controversy and asks panel to weigh in

“"so basically Jonah Hill was in a relationship with this surfer girlfriend and he sent her text messages asking her not to surf with men, post bikini photos, or do modeling work"”

QuoteAli Hardesty recounts her ex having an OnlyFans page — she appeared in BG content with him early in their relationship

“"so the only time I ever did like BG content that I actually like put on my only fans was with my ex who also had an account so how he did it was he also sold things"”

ControversyHeated debate about financial abuse in traditional marriages — Aelia and Bangs argue giving up income for a man is dangerous; Amy argues prenup terms can protect wives

“Aelia: "Financial abuse is basically what we were describing where you give up your entire career for a man in a relationship a partnership and then they hold the money over your head"”

QuotePanel reacts to Baby Rexa leaking her boyfriend's private text message; most side with the ex

“"to me personally reading that text message it seemed like he was coming from a place of kindness... I don't think it's right to be upset with him if you were asking for honesty"”

QuoteNev lists books of the Bible when Brian asks guests to name 7 books

“"Genesis Exodus Leviticus Numbers Deuteronomy Judges Samuel Kings..."”

ControversyAli Hardesty gives firsthand account of Sneako/Zena/Lauren drama — she was offered rides by both Lauren and Sneako, chose not to get in Sneako's car because Zena was visibly upset

“"basically Lauren was going to give me a ride home... sneo was like do you need a ride home... Zena was sitting on the back of someone's truck and she's clearly upset... I declined Sneako's car"”

QuoteAmy confirms she and Lauren will do a public podcast debate about the Sneako/Zena situation

“"Lauren and I we're going to debate on this we're going to go on a public podcast and have a conversation"”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Show Announcements

Brian announces show, plugs Streamlabs/Twitch/merch/BLM nonprofit. Guests introduce themselves: Essie (24, social media manager/OnlyFans), Bangs/Anai (21, student/OnlyFans, returning), Karen (31, porn star), Brooke (24, content/OnlyFans, in relationship), Aelia (31, flight attendant/OnlyFans, in relationship), Ali Hardesty (YouTuber/OnlyFans/podcast, OC), Nev (20, UCSB student/soap seller, taken), Amy Dangerfield (27, high ticket sales), Naomi (31, respiratory therapist/worship leader, celibate).

Relationship Status Round

Full round of relationship statuses. Essie: single 6 years, last situationship ~1yr ago. Bangs: single 2 years. Karen: single 2 months. Aelia: in relationship 1.5 years. Brooke: in relationship ~1 year. Ali Hardesty: single/complicated since end of 2021. Nev: taken 2 months officially. Amy Dangerfield: single 2 months after 4-year relationship. Naomi: single and celibate 3 years 4 months since pandemic.

OnlyFans, Sex Work & Dating Compatibility

Extended debate on whether men who oppose OnlyFans are insecure, vs whether having an OnlyFans is a deal-breaker. Essie offers to quit OnlyFans for a chat donor. Nev argues OnlyFans distributes harmful content. Discussion of whether lingerie-only OnlyFans is equivalent to Victoria's Secret modeling. Karen explains she separates professional sex from personal life. Body count discussion: when should you disclose? Karen's professional body count discussed (up to 15 in 9 days shooting in Miami). Bangs confirms she was honest with her crush about her body count.

Jonah Hill / Surfer Girlfriend Situation

Brian introduces the Jonah Hill "surfer girlfriend" situation — Hill sent his girlfriend text messages asking her not to surf with men, post bikini photos, or do modeling work. Panel debates whether these were reasonable relationship boundaries or controlling behavior. Aelia argues Hill knew she was a surfer when he pursued her. Amy says prenup/contract terms should cover these expectations. Nev says it's within a partner's right to set boundaries. Naomi observes many women have dated men who tried to change them.

Financial Dependence, Traditional Marriage & Financial Abuse

Discussion of whether women should give up jobs/OnlyFans for a provider man. Bangs and Aelia argue financial dependence is risky if the man leaves. Amy argues prenups and contract terms can protect stay-at-home wives. Aelia raises financial abuse concept (husband controlling wife's allowance, leaving her stuck). Brian asks who would quit their job for a wealthy/attractive man (most say yes with caveats). Ali Hardesty tells story of a friend who quit her job for a sudden rich man who then went to jail and lost everything.

Baby Rexa Leaked Text Message Controversy

Brian reacts to singer Baby Rexa posting her ex-boyfriend's private text message to Instagram. The text was diplomatic: noting she gained 35 lbs, expressing concern, and still expressing love. Panel largely agrees the text was reasonable and the ex was not in the wrong. Discussion of whether weight gain in relationships is a valid reason to address attraction. Aelia notes she'd want her partner to be honest. Panel agrees it was immature/unloving to leak the private message publicly.

Oral Sex / Sexual Expectations Debate

Brian reveals he does not go down on women ("neck problems," personal preference). Panel reacts with disbelief. Discussion of whether men are more expected to perform oral sex vs women. Brian argues women are not equally shamed for refusing oral. Aelia and Essie share personal comfort levels. Ali Hardesty describes her experience with BG content on OnlyFans with an ex. Discussion of pillow princesses, orgasm difficulty for women, faking orgasms, post-nut clarity (Bangs describes experiencing it).

Makeup, Appearance Standards & High vs Low Maintenance

Discussion triggered by Jordan Peterson's claim that makeup mimics arousal signals (dilated pupils, flushed lips/cheeks). Amy explains the evolutionary psychology argument. Aelia pushes back. Naomi describes enjoying makeup as self-expression. Discussion of whether "high maintenance" and "takes care of herself" are different things. Brian says he prefers natural looks and is skeptical of heavy plastic surgery. Amy notes men often say they prefer natural but are attracted to heavily made-up women like Kim Kardashian.

Passport Bros Debate

Brian reads a donation from a viewer living in Japan with a Thai wife. Panel discusses passport bros. Bangs and Essie call it a red flag. Aelia argues men going to Morocco for traditional wives encounter transactional arrangements (90 Day Fiancé reference). Amy argues traditional women exist in conservative US regions (Texas, Louisiana). Naomi as a near-example of traditional woman. Brian argues men seek overseas women because they find more appreciation abroad.

First Date Payments

Who should pay on the first date? Most guests say the man should pay (especially those seeking traditional relationships). Essie goes in expecting to pay half but ultimately does not object if man pays. Amy says men should pay. Naomi says it sets the right tone for a traditional dynamic. Ali Hardesty says she just prefers to cook as a date. Brian says he thinks the bill should be split or whoever asked should pay. Discussion of whether expensive getting-ready costs justify men paying.

Celibacy, Dating Timelines & Sex Expectations

Essie uses three-date rule and has never gone shorter. Naomi has been celibate 3 years 4 months since pandemic. Nev is saving herself until marriage. Aelia was celibate 2.5 years before current relationship to screen out men who only wanted sex. Brian asks whether women who had promiscuous pasts who now make men wait are being inconsistent. Aelia argues a woman changing her standards is a bonus sign she sees more in the new man. Discussion of casual sex destroying intimacy (Nev's perspective).

Dating Easier for Men or Women

Is dating easier for men or women? Amy argues strongly it is easier for women (a 5/10 woman can get a 5/10 man easily; a 5/10 man must work extremely hard). Brooke and Aelia push back, arguing women face emotional labor and quality challenges. Nev shares "short bus" anecdote. Brian argues women have enormous selectivity advantage (instant access to men willing to sleep with them). Panel debates whether unsolicited male attention counts as dating "ease." Discussion of dating apps as amplifying female options.

Ali Hardesty — Sneako/Zena/Lauren Drama

Ali Hardesty gives firsthand account of drama involving Sneako, Zena, and Lauren. Ali was at Sneako's show; Lauren had offered her a ride home. After the show, Sneako also offered a ride. Aelia (present) encouraged Ali to go with Sneako. Zena appeared visibly upset/crying outside. Ali declined Sneako's car because of Zena's state. Zena later DM'd Ali to apologize. Amy adds public context: Lauren and Sneako broke up, and there was Twitter/online drama. Amy says she will do a public podcast debate with Lauren. Brian and Amy discuss public allegations culture.

Transcript

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Brian Atlaswoman paid for the first date entirely what's your gangster that's gangster it's gangster she she's so into you I

Brian Atlasthink Oblivion is Scrolls that um this chick all right um that yeah she's just So Into You yeah I don't

Nevthink there's anything wrong with it necessarily I I think it just depends yeah it's good I mean I'd prefer to cook it a cook just in general just like I I wouldn't want to like for a first date you want someone in your home okay maybe

Nevnot first date but just in general like I'd prefer to no no I ain't got a home bro but uh I'm kidding joke joke um but I don't know I'd prefer to cook but like I I would want to pay for the first day

Bangslike I don't know like I just treat on me I don't know I think some men are like super worried like oh now I have to pay for the first day I will say though

BangsI do go in like expecting to pay for my half sometimes yeah yeah no and but then like in reality like when I go on a first date like I'm not worried about like I'm not thinking about like oh my

Bangsgosh like I have to pay I'm like oh my gosh I'm going to send my friends my location I'm like I'm going to make sure I don't get killed you know Modern Problems call for modern

Brian Atlassolutions so I I think you should split you should split the bill or I mean look if the girl wants to pay sweet yeah there's nothing wrong with that that sh rare one time a chick bought me a burrito there's no rules that was nice

Aeliathere's no rules it's fully I mean I think like especially if you're going on a first date with somebody that might be a conversation worth having I know it's kind of awkward but then like if you're actually really liking someone and it's coming down to the check being the final

Aeliadecider like I think that's just bizarre like oh I don't want to go out with him ever again or see him because he didn't pay for me that one time like yeah that wouldn't be a rule breaker for me like if I went on a day and I really liked

Bangsthe guy and he's like okay like let's split I'd kind of be like oh maybe he wasn't that into me am Amy what do you think what do you think Amy clarify this

Nevthe question for me again oh just like who should pay on the first date oh um men yeah cool I'm so excited I would

Amy Dangerfieldthat's what I would expect I mean for obviously with this modern day and AG it could be whoever and nobody has to be offended by it but for me personally if a guy is taking me out on a date you better be paying yeah whoever asks I

Ali Hardestythink especially as a girl you have to get ready you know like makeup's expensive you maybe get a new outfit like you spend hours getting ready like it takes me hours to get ready I don't I don't think the like oh I put on makeup

Amy Dangerfieldthing is a good argument for why men it depends on the type of woman you are like for a woman if you're like a woman who wants a more like traditional relationship then you would want it to kind of stop that way as well you know so for me like I want a more traditional

Nevrelationship so for me that's like a given and it's not even something I need to once you me like we're continually dating I have no problem pay I just don't like feeling like a bum like I just don't like feeling like a bum I don't know maybe that's just a me thing but I just don't like feeling like a bum

Naomibro well ultimately too like if you guys are pursuing marriage or whatever he's going to provide for you and the kid so that's a good example it's a good start like you said okay so you think it's a hot take that you it's un It's Not

Ali HardestyUnusual is not the right word it's uncommon I have a question for women to pay for the first date I don't think it's uncommon have you ever had a guy like try to take advantage of you because that was your generosity in the beginning

Essieum I have to think about that one I don't think I've ever had a guy try to take advantage of me necessarily um trying to think was there ever like

Brian Atlasnot a second date where you're like oh you get the next one not really I don't think so and then you okay you also said your hot take would be that dating is backwards backwards now it's sex first

Essieemotional connection second which you hate yes yeah I just think that like like everyone's talking about like promiscuity and like social media dating apps all of these things combined really

Essieaffect like how modern dating has become and now it's more so like there's all these options all the time constantly so why would anybody want to commit or feel the need to settle down I mean me

Nevpersonally I'm saving it till marriage but I've had a lot of friends who um have gone into relationships where it's sex first and they just often feel so dissatisfied because like what would have been like a nice intimate moment is

Aeliajust completely destroyed by yeah are these guys or girls both a mixture both absolutely yeah I yeah previous to my Rel my current relationship I was

Aeliacelibate for about two two and a half years and um you know I just had made that decision for myself because I felt like the expectation for sex was like the first thing that the men wanted and

AeliaI was like well you are only using me for the sexual component of everything and I don't really like that ites I don't like the way that it makes me feel so I was waiting and waiting and just seeing and you know I would go on dates

Aeliaand like people would be putting so much pressure I'm like well clearly you're not somebody that I want to be with if you're going to continue to pressure me like that and so I just I think it really changed my view on dating and my

Aeliaview on relationships and what I wanted in somebody again I think casual sex is fine if that's what you want I'm not going to shame anybody for that but celibacy really changed my view on who I was dating and

Aeliawhy respect so that's your hot take is that that's it I think she's got a good point though with as far as the settling down because of dating apps and

Aeliaeverything like that in social media because I see it in actual long-term relationships too where men are liking other Instagram models photos and whatever um where they're just constantly looking for the next thing so

Aeliait's very easy for people to move on and go oh well there's like this catalog of women or this catalog of men that I can log on and I can just swipe through until I find exactly what I'm looking for so it's just yeah it's there's just

Brian Atlastoo many options it's you have a harder time making a final decision ABS basically never settle well I think I mean but I just to I kind of address

Brian Atlasyour thing here as far as uh you know sex first emotional connection later I mean of those of you who have had long-term relationships and perhaps there there's

Brian Atlassome variance here I can speak for myself at least the long-term relationships I've had I've had a 5-year relationship 2year one year I've had you know couple six months nine months ones

Brian Atlaswhatever um almost all of them it wasn't like here let's let's go on 10 dates and then have sex it was

Brian Atlaslike first second third date we time hanging out we had sex so I I don't know if you any of you can speak to this but I don't necessarily think the quickness with which you sleep

Brian Atlaswith somebody is necessarily going to be a detriment to you having a long-term relationship with them CU perhaps some of you have had a long-term Pleasant relationship

Brian Atlaswith someone and you guys hooked up relatively quickly you know first second third date has that been the case for any of you yeah sure Essie what's up I haven't been in a relationship in six years I can't really

Brian Atlastalk about what's going on Essie how well what's wait but you haven't been in a relationship for six years you said you were in a six-month situationship it's not exclusivity it's not like dating with a label it's like like the courting

Brian Atlasprocess going on dates seeing each other getting to know each other no not like a relationship okay so question you haven't been in a relationship for six years but you have had relation uh situationships excuse me

Brian Atlasso then but on in these situationships are you like what what's your how you move are you are you waiting to have sex yeah

EssieI go by I a lot of women are aware of the third date rule I usually go by that um depending on like how often we're still seeing each other I mean have you established an emotional connection typically by the third day I think

Essiewithin the third day I'm aware and I know if I like want to pursue this person like in a like I would it's hard to say not a relationship but like be exclusive with them and want to get to

Brian Atlasknow them more sure has that always been your standard the three thir date rules sometimes I'll wait longer but I've never G shorter never shorter no come on no come on once there's one time my

Essiefriends say I'm asexual because I just don't like yeah you're as are you I don't think so you wait for I'm just not like sexually driven so it's like not an issue for me to wait like I've been cibit for years at a time yeah see so

Essieit's like understand and once I get to know somebody more then my sex drive comes into play and I'm like wanting like have sex with them yeah women are emotional when it comes to sex even like climaxing like we were talking about I

Ali Hardestyfeel like men like their emotions don't take place with their orgasm with women like that definitely like the more comfortable I am like if I'm in love with you like it's just easier to climax

Brian Atlassure well okay so I mean I don't know this whole like I guess one thing that occurs to me is if if it's always been your standard like

Brian Atlasto wait I think that's one thing but I think a lot of guys don't want to feel like a sucker because there's there's definitely been situations where for

Brian Atlasexample a girl says oh I used to have I used to be wild I used to have like I had the HOAs in my past blah blah blah I've slept with 20 30 guys and then she lands on you and now she wants to wait

Brian Atlasbut she didn't have that attitude with all her previous Partners now listen if that's her that's totally her call if she wants to wait till marriage after having slept with a hundred people

Brian Atlasthat's her call however guys are I think within their right to look at that and be like well that wasn't your standard in the past so I don't want to see you

Brian Atlaslike I'm not going to wait so goodbye you know if he loves and respects you then he will respect that well he can respect it but he could be like he could have his own standard too and be like

Aeliawell you want to wait three months I don't so we should I like moments and he's entitled to saying goodbye yeah I mean I I don't think that

Aeliathat's a problem necessarily but I I agree with you I mean like if he left because of that then I would just kind of be like okay sounds like he only wants you for sex yeah because because you're allowed to if you especially like

Aeliaif you're saying that women that men want women that are like pure whatever the case may be lower bodies like even if she had a ho phase in the past if she's changing and adapting and trying to become a more moral version of herself that matches his morals like why

Aeliawould that be something that you would look down on what I couldn't hear you I was speaking it could be that you might uh be attracting the wrong kind of people again you're putting the accountability only on the women instead of saying that

Brian AtlasI'm just offering an alternate point of view well look I suppose yes I suppose it's better if a woman had a promiscuous past if she's trying to get more in line with non- promiscuity I suppose that's

Brian Atlasum more desirable than continuing in her promise it but I think it's kind of like a lot of guys are looking at that where it's like okay she had a promiscuous past she all the previous men she slept

Brian Atlaswith she slept with quick but now I come along or this guy comes along and it's like oh now you want to wait and so a lot of guys are looking at that and being like well hold on and you also

Brian Atlashear this from like I I've heard something like uh girls will like sleep with guys who they like they consider jerks or [ __ ] and and they'll sleep

Brian Atlaswith them really quick but here comes along like a gentleman but now that guy who you think is potentially husband material you're going to make him wait and guys kind of view that and it's

Aelialike oh but I think if you're looking at I mean sure I understand where you're coming from and the perspective that some might men might have with that but if you're looking for a more woman that's more pure aligned with whatever

Aeliathat you align with I think that you should look at that as a bonus of oh she see something in me that she didn't see in these other men and she wants to have a longstanding like relationship with me and she's changing that level of

Aeliapromiscuity and trying to actually build a foundation for our relationship and if a man really loves a woman or likes a woman that he's dating he should be okay with and respect that yeah if I wait to sleep with someone and I like

Essieemotionally get to know them first I actually respect them more and I also feel like three dates is not a two crazy of a time frame like three dates isn't a lot but like yeah so I know what I'm not

Essiesure where this conversation is steering I also don't know if any of us can relate to like the example that you gave of like being a hoe and then now making a guy wait can anybody count of 100 yeah can anybody here relate to that no but

Brian Atlasokay I'm sure I'm sure there have been there's probably women here at the table who have maybe in the past hooked

Brian Atlasup with a guy first time meeting him and then you'll make another guy wait three dates six dates what you know however

Brian Atlaslong it is so it's kind of like you you give two different men like different sorts of treatment where you're coming from and here here's like an example I I'd like to give is how would you feel

Brian Atlasif your current boyfriend you've been dating him for for a year he doesn't really do much in terms of like he doesn't get you gifts doesn't really take you out to dinner you you

Brian Atlaslike each other he likes you you like him but um you know he's not he's not really doing anything in terms of you know like I said taking you on dates

Brian Atlasmaybe uh you know gifts whatever may be you find out that his last girlfriend he was taking her on trips he was buying her gifts he was providing paying for

Essiethe first date wouldn't that make you feel a certain type of way like oh why is he giving like why is he doing all this for her you know yeah but then that you would have a conversation with them

Aeliaabout that and like bring up why you're feeling a certain way and get the answer that you either want or don't want from them because I think like gifts and traveling is a lot different than like giving your body to somebody I mean if

Aeliaif we're saying that sex is different to men and women then shouldn't the man expect oh well maybe she's changed her mind on her like promiscuous phases and maybe she sees something else in me that she didn't see in somebody else but I mean if a guy was treating his last

Aeliagirlfriend really really well and getting her gifts and traveling and like wanting to go places and do things and then he didn't do that for me I would just assume he didn't like me very much and this is also under the assumption that he's going to know about all the other people you've slept with in the

Aeliatime frame that you s like this doesn't even make any sense yeah but I understand where you're coming from I do and I I could see how somebody might view it that way but I mean again I'm not going to go sit on a first date with somebody and be like okay so I slept

Brian Atlaswith this guy on this date and I slept with him after date one two 3 four five like I would never do that we have a chat here from NPC IRL literally the two claiming there wait do we oops Bender

Brian Atlasthe offender ladies when was the last time you complimented a man in y I compliment the man that I like every single

Bangsday the rapper dude no you're still in his D great no I said I'm currently in love with

Bangssomebody and I always tell them that they who I'm not going to talk you're in love with somebody yeah but I've only hung out with them like twice I just I told you I Fall In Love

Nevreally fast what okay um any anybody else compliment when's the last time you complimented men I'll compliment men all the time yeah all the time honestly yeah um besides my boyfriend I told my dad he

Amy Dangerfieldhad a really nice hat before I left oh that's not how I thought that sentence was going to Ravel itself um Amy what about you yeah like uh so I was just on uh Rolo

Amy Dangerfieldand Michael's show I told them that they are some of the smartest dudes I know so far as evolutionary psychology goes I think that men appreciate comp comp compliments a lot more than women

Aeliado yeah so I think that giving a man a compliment is something that we should do more often yeah because they get them a lot less than we do exactly and they remember that like if you tell a man something good that good that they did

Aeliaor you know something that they wore or whatever like that's going to stick in their head forever not to say that women don't appreciate compliments but I think that men get them less yeah you'll remember that [ __ ] for Life yeah and I think about the saying all the time that

Aelialike men only get flowers on the day that they die and I think about that a lot you know I love to give men flowers I like to buy gifts I like to show appreciation for the men in my life whether it's my dad or my boyfriend or

Aeliamy brothers or whoever the case may be because they don't they don't get as much attention and praise as women do and I mean I think that that's just fact very true very insightful thank you I told a guy in Music City that he had a

Naomireally good singing voice and I told him you know a lot of country artists they have like the same sounding kind of voice and it can all blend into one but yours really stands out like you have something different he just looked at me with his big old eyes he like he like so

Brian Atlastouched it was like just a genuine compliment understand okay we have MPC IRL uh Bang's real name is Rumple stilin

Brian AtlasEssie though what uh who Rumple stils stil Rumple still skin what's his name Rumple still skin it's like a I know what it is it's

Brian Atlasjust evading me okay we have eyes wide shut with the Canadian 50 Mercy buku did the neck tatted o 304 really insult her entire fan base while attempting to insult me LOL I hope they're watching I

Brian Atlasjust want to say I didn't insult my fan base I love them I insulted you baby that's all personal oh Eyes Wide Shut 1989 from Canada from Vancouver thank

Brian Atlasyou uh okay all right um let's see here my God okay we had Naomi here with some notes Here uh we're going to skip the helicopter thing um if men approached and talk to women in the gym Mall

Brian Atlasgrocery as much as they stare at us at those places we might actually get to a place in society where we could eliminate dating apps talk to us we talk back um I mean my my response to is why

Naomidon't y'all start approaching men H do you ever think about that oh I do oh man I like a guy I I'll give you hands but as a traditional woman I'm not trying to like s you out like a like a wild cat in the jungle but I will give I will drop

Naomilike obvious hints like especially in the gym like you know you get a lot of attention when you're working out or whatever even anywhere but you kind of like look back smile and like they're just still like looking at you just like acting like they didn't see you and

Brian Atlasyou're like yeah you make it obvious well and this ties in and we were kind of uh and Amy was about to cook on this about is dating easier for men or women we'll touch on that here in a sec

Brian Atlasbut you do say most of the time we will agree to a date simply because you made the effort simply because I know that's [ __ ] that's [ __ ] [ __ ] no it's not you will agree to a date the guy made the effort so somebody does it no

Aeliaone has literally done it so you're doing pity dates no no we appreciate the effort like that's that's attractive to us like that you're bold enough to do that I just think it's all in the approach because a lot of men approach women in a very like weird way or

Naomipredatorial way or they like think that they're coming on to a woman when they're actually just being creepy yeah well it's also situational too like if you're at a bar you know you know what's going to come at you but I'm talking about like you know gym like mall like

Aeliayou get a little stairs and well and I mean it just like I said it's all in the approach like if you're giving somebody also like the physical body language of I'm looking at you you're also looking at me like this is an inviting open invitation to come speak to me and it

Aeliayou know it's different like there are guys that say Really you might be in that situation they come up to you and give you like the worst pickup line of all time or say something really gross to you and they think that that's like a compliment and it's not not very Noble yeah like it's a different there's a

Aeliadifference in a guy coming over and being like Oh my gosh you know I see you here all the time like you know you're I'm I'm really impressed with your dedication to working out you're really beautiful would you like to go out and a

Brian Atlasguy coming over and been like damn girl your ass is so nice like you know what I mean I mean I think it depends on whether or not you're women agree to go

Brian Atlason like maybe it's the case it could certainly be the case that in the past because men because there weren't dating apps more men would like approach women

Brian Atlasbut now because of dating apps like men don't really have to approach women as much so like there are less men approaching women out in the wild let's say so maybe it's the case that the men

TTS Readerthat are still actually approaching women might actually probably lean a bit more attractive hold on Jan nassen donated

TTS Reader$99 back in the day a woman whom wanted her intentions to be known would drop a handkerchief the man would pick it up and return it this gave him the opportunity to ask her put eyes across a

Brian Atlasroom ain't it yeah I agree women need to start carrying Han I'll TI in my hair but uh yeah so I think that the the cohort of men that are probably still approaching women is

Brian Atlasactually starting to skew like maybe a little bit more attractive but in any case I don't I don't know if I agree with most women are going to agree to a date when you approach them also with

Ali Hardestylike porn addiction nowadays it makes men way less likely to actually talk to girls in real life and pursue them have a point because they make that emotional connection digitally with you guys so they kind of

Amy Dangerfieldin real life women they don't they don't really care to do that cuz it's right at the tip of their finger the parasocial relationships that actually that brings up my thing so there's there's less time spent with men chasing women all that good stuff yes like

Bangs105 okay yeah I know it's getting late we are going to try to wrap soon it's just like the the the the the a lot of us are from far away so many far away so many super chats I am going to try to

Bangswrap up andity I am going to try to wrap up here very soon guys so thank you patient I'm so sorry you guys I had a

Brian Atlasguy in and out hello okay um I had a guy wait this is Ally now you had a guy lied to me about his name and age oh wait background check you did the background check I want to clarify I did do a background check someone said I just did

Brian Atlasa Google search but the background check came after that you started a business together you invested $335,000 under his fake name then had to contact the Wells Fargo department and took months to get the money back yeah I had to talk to the

Nevhigh dollar fraud department to get back the $35,000 does [ __ ] always happen to you and your friends like this entire time you've like I feel like my friends are similar to me and like we're very

Brian Atlasnaive and gullible yes you guys don't very gullible Ally can I have 10K for a business I mean I was in love okay we talked to investors I was like flying

Ali Hardestyacross the country with him and like doing all these business meetings it was a business for like basically an only fans competitor platform sure and I didn't really want to do it and I realized that but I was just like in love so I was like kind of being a yes

Ali Hardestyman at first and then he'd put me in front of these like CEOs for all these companies and like I had all like the experience and the knowledge and like this and that um and yeah I ended up not wanting to do it but it was invested

Ali Hardestyunderneath his fake name so the high dollar fraud department ended up giving me the money back word good times and then we have our girl

Brian Atlasan that's how you say your name right no how you how do you pronounce it an an so in your pre-show notes to us you said you picked up a loser man an hour away

Brian Atlasfrom me and got pulled pulled over and got a ticket you got a ticket yeah did you smash oh God true yeah she did she did I

Bangsdid I was but okay like I was not at a good time in my life okay it was not a good time in my life that's all I have to say and that was like the first like

Brian AtlasTinder guy that I had ever like met up with first yeah okay you also said men that want bad [ __ ] but can't handle dating bad [ __ ] we already talked about that's the Jonah Hill yeah we

Brian Atlastalked about that Jonah Hill Drama Oh are you are you a bad [ __ ] yeah show of hands who here is also a bad [ __ ] I think everyone in we all are bad [ __ ] am I a bad [ __ ] yes if you want to be

Brian Atlasyes the [ __ ] okay gosh don't exclude me over here okay sassy man apocalypse what what's that sassy men Apocalypse men are so

Bangssassy nowadays men are sassy yes they are so much back men are sassy back talk so much back talk so much back talk what's an example of back talk give me an example literally okay I remember not

Bangslike necessarily back talk but like they're just sassy I remember one time I was like talking to a guy and then he like said good night to me at like 5 in 5: in the afternoon just because he was

TTS Readerupset that is a sassy man that is a sassy sassy $99 one of the other reasons men don't approach women anymore is due to being falsely

Bangsaccused that's true I know that's literally men that have been like actually gone to trial and have been accused and there H there is like reports on them live a very happy life

Bangsthere is a man no listen to this there is a man who in where I live he's like Top Chef top like literal news articles about this man you Google his name first thing that comes up is an entire police

Nevreport but you realize these allegations destroy people's lives right what men literally rarely very rarely very rarely you think very rarely do allegations like this destroy people's lives and

Brian Atlasreputation that is sorry but that's really Johnny Depp you know had his [ __ ] thing ruined she took a [ __ ] on his bed like come on uh Team M

Brian Atlasher what really yeah I've been who who who who that's a hot take hold on hold on hold on show of hands team Amber

Bangswho's team Amber herd come on fess up up makes sense these two I have

Aeliato W TMI TMI definitely makes sense did you watch the trial yeah I did but I also know the UK Sun trial as well which is basically the counter of that never

Brian Atlasgave a [ __ ] thank you for sharing that sorry the idol thoughtful uh my God I love this the idol though all right um chat which one do you think

Nevis better sakiro or bloodborne thank you oh my God this I'm I don't know I'm trying to like I I don't know I I don't give a [ __ ] about or Amber herd I mean I'm trying to bring something to the

Nevtable that I do give a [ __ ] about I think is it one piece I do [ __ ] love one piece though I'm like sorry they're making a shut your [ __ ]

Brian AtlasM okay no but like for real like gear five coming soon soon I have does anyone have any idea what are the words that are

Brian Atlascoming out of anybody function I'm so it's anime I know that okay let's see I think we're fully caught up on everything

Brian Atlasyeah reassurance I had one more for to be that way uh just hold on there's one more thing oh we had one more thing for anahe and then we're going to wrap uh there was some videos but honestly it's

Brian Atlasalready so unfortunately we're not going to react to any videos uh we could wrap on the Patrice thing we'll we'll wrap on we'll wait for an he we'll do that then we'll wrap on Patrice who's Patrice uh

Brian Atlaswe have a quick video we're going to W about to find out we haven't done the Patrice video in a while so we're going to do that uh before we wrap anyone speak now forever hold your peace any final thoughts before we anything you want to get off your chest real quick

Amy Dangerfieldreal quick real quick s it's very coincidental that the two of us happen to be on the same podcast right now because we were caught up in some recent Twitter overall the I was put up in some recent tter yeah there's just one thing that I

Brian Atlaswant to clarify so there's this girl Lauren de laguno I'm hold hold I don't know if we I don't know if we talk about this on the Pod oh okay no worries yeah maybe yeah let's just I don't want I don't want to get dragged into don't

Amy Dangerfieldwant the smoke I don't want to get I don't want to get dragged into it's pretty viral right now it's just funny that the whole girl though talking about the whole time is here on the podcast and no one's heard a single word from her yet it was all but we can we can keep it as secret it's fine we don't

Amy Dangerfieldneed to tell them I made no statement we don't need to tell them it's fine wait are you wanting to make a statement or what everyone's been waiting for her to make a statement for like the last month and she never has so I mean we can keep it a secret it's

Brian Atlasfine okay here one's in the CH chat chat are you able to pull up the regular chat um oh yeah Maddie had to take off guys

Brian Atlasum so uh chat do we yes does she talk about it are are you talking [ __ ] about

Amy Dangerfieldany I don't want to like talking [ __ ] it's not to n I'm n n n have you ever dated a Bogan uh no I have never dated a Bogan absolutely not what's a ban it's

Amy Dangerfieldlike the Australian equivalent of a redneck what is it called again a Bogan a ban yeah have you ever dated someone from Perth no I was actually born in Perth though wantedly enough and I moved

Brian Atlaswhen I was like 2 three my family moved me to Queensland okay all right uh wait overwhelming they want to hear the the stuff okay really quick y want the smart they want the tea okay so basically the

Brian Atlaswhole thing is that this girl Lauren was saying that that wait so should we save this for the after show probably you guys down to kick it for like for a few minutes just because some people might have to okay we'll save her for the after show if you want to see the the

Brian Atlasjuicy drama stay tuned for the after show anah an okay last one here also dating at someone with borderline so you have BPD yeah is a lot more

Bangsdifficult because every man wants to be nonchalant nowadays and that simply doesn't work for me mhm yeah every no I feel like I need constant

Bangsreassurance and every man is like yeah I love you whatever you know like they don't show their love they're not really affectionate they're kind of just like nonchalant like it's a thing to be nonchalant now have you ever slashed a

Nevtire no I think you should disclose your emotional needs to the man beforehand so that I do to expect I do I do trust me I

Brian Atlasdo I I have that conversation with them uh so how does the BPD manifest itself you know in your life what do you mean

Brian Atlashow does it come out well you you you say you have a is it a diagnosis or is this yeah it's a diagnosis so you have BPD what what are the symptoms how does it manifest itself can we talk about

Bangsthis another podcast please I'm so tired Brian it's okay I'm actually curious ious what you would say though I yeah I can talk I can go on and on and on about

Brian Atlasthis word okay so the last thing is you were saying that it's men have it easier to get who was saying that easier for it's easier for men to get laid Yeah

NevI think I did say that does anyone agree with that easier for men to get laid as compared to women I think that's just that I mean I feel like if you say that that's kind of saying that women are easy like that statement in itself is

Aeliaimplying that women are easy so I mean I know I know guys who have a roster who have put girls on rotation high value I mean I mean I don't really like to put value or high or low on somebody just

Aeliabased on like their sexual preferences and things like that but I think that it's kind of an equal playing field um and also I think that equal well yeah I mean men men set the so we're talking

Aeliaabout like men and women okay they're different if we're going to go there right so if you guys are saying that men are setting the standard of what women should adhere to so women should shouldn't be having casual partners

Aeliabecause men don't want women with lots of lots of bodies so there are a lot of women that are like well I'm not going to have casual sex then so then these men are not having casual sex and blaming it on the women saying that oh well women are gatekeeping sex well why do you think they're gatekeeping sex

TTS Readerbecause you're literally shaming them for H having casual sex Devon Jackson donated $100 what's up future single mother bangs you have a lot of your personality to work

Brian Atlason do you have a response to Mr Devon Jackson girl I'm tired I'm not going to respond you Davon um you really wanted to come in I

Brian Atlasthink on the it's the dating is easier for men or it's easier for men to get laid or I said the opposite no no no no but you were arguing against that for

Amy Dangerfieldsure yeah totally go ahead sure argue I mean from every single level it's way way easier for women to get laid than men an average looking woman a five out

Amy Dangerfieldof 10 could walk into a club pick up a guy a five out of five guy a five out of 10 guy would have to try really really hard and here's the thing when something comes easy it is often times there's

Amy Dangerfieldless respect assigned to it but whereas for guys if they need to really work on that hard work is rewarded so just based on that simple premise Al learn a woman who sleeps with a lot of guys that came

Amy Dangerfieldeasy therefore it's not respected a man who slept with a lot of women generally he needs to work on his character he needs to work on his hygiene his appearance his status his accolades his

Amy Dangerfieldcareer everything in order to be at the same level as that five or six out of 10 girl what do you consider hard work buying women drinks and talking to them no raising their caliber as a man so a

Amy Dangerfieldhigh value man meaning like working on his physicality being fit and healthy working on his hygiene uh you know making a good a sum of money right um high value men do not call themselves

Aeliahigh high value men I didn't I didn't say that wasn't the prerequisite of what I just said I was I know I'm just saying I'm just saying but you're stating that men have to work on all these things in order to get laid and that is completely

Aeliafalse as she was saying meanless with a huge dick right I'm talking what was she saying go ahead go ahead so she was saying that she knows plenty of men that also have rosters I know more men with

Brian Atlasrers I know way more men that have rosters than women that have rers have the fact you could I know three men that if you know if you know a hundred men that have rosters a hundred men out of

Brian Atlasthe entire male population is a very very small proportion of men if you had to attribute a percentage to the amount of men who could easily just have a roster of women what percentile would

Aeliayou give it would you say 10% of men can do that 20% of men can do that would you say 50% of men can do that would you say 100% of men can do that I mean obviously not 100 I think 100 is kind of ridiculous but I mean how many women do

Aeliayou know that have rosters would you say it's it's they could that's that's the thing it's capability capability sure but I mean I I think that probably as long as a man

Amy Dangerfieldis actually putting in any sort of effort at all they could probably get a Ros are you serious yeah I gen you're delusional no no no no men need to work

Bangsso hard what planet on what planet if you are decent looking if you are halfway decent no decent looking not not even I've met some ugly ugly dudes that

Aeliahave beening I've met some dud that have been ping yeah I mean like it's it's all based on personality right like women women still have to have a semide decent

Nevpersonality 99% of the time wild I would say that attraction does contribute contribute to it though and and it could be true that men do have to work harder in some circumstances especially if they're it could be it is true it is

Brian Atlasyeah that's what I meant like it is true that they have to work harder I don't know okay hold on a couple questions here couple questions here has a guy ever made you wait for SE

Brian Atlasyeah actually more well okay all right here's generally generally generally speaking who's making who wait for sex men I think it depends on the

Essiesituation God bro that goes back to what I said earlier about women hold like we what's like the stupid lock Ander oh my

Brian AtlasGod I the gatekeeper that's what like the yeah okay also how do you explain if if it if it is the case that men have just to just clarify your position you

Brian Atlasthink it's about equal between men and women when it comes to the ease or Simplicity with which they can secure uh sex you say it's about equal yeah equal absolutely okay so how do you explain

Brian Atlasthe inell phenomenon which is exclusive in men I mean there's fem cells it's it is literally impossible for a woman to be involuntarily celibate I mean it is

Aeliaimposs have you been on Tik Tok that's involuntary what involuntarily okay so she could argue don't go out and actually speak to women I mean like they literally hate women they they think

Brian Atlasthey're like they deserve sex that's what they think not all inel so what's the true definition of an incel short for involuntarily celibate so despite Desiring wanting to have sex

Brian Atlasyou're incapable of having sex now there are women who are voluntarily celibate for example like she's voluntarily celibate if she was so in for for

Aeliareligious reasons if she was so inclined she could get sex tonight right I mean but these men literally if you're going in actually speaking to these men they have like no actual interest in going out in talking to a woman that's not

Nevnecessarily true a lot of people who are in CS uh be become bitter I'd say from their interactions with women because they did go out and they experienc something really shitty yeah okay but I

Nevmean men are the the the villain so men have hold themselves accountable I never said that women are the villain I think you just love to misconstrue my words I'm saying that women could be fem cells

Nevtoo you mention them too I think that experiences with the opposite gender do affect the way that you perceive them obviously in like your interactions I

Nevwouldn't say that in cells and fem cells are entirely socially inept or entirely like devoid of social interaction in general I'd say that okay let me let me ask everyone a question here all the

Brian Atlaswomen at the table here a question let's say tomorrow you wake up let's assume some of you let's just say everyone's single here if you were so inclined do you think with 100%

Brian Atlascertainty if your mission for that day was I want to have sex I want to get laid do you think you'd be able to do it with with 100% certainty so that's the difference only a woman can wake up in

Brian Atlasthe morning and say I'm going to get laid today with all certainty and have it come true sometimes I say that and I that doesn't happen to me yeah okay you if as a woman you download the

Brian Atlasdating app or you go out to a bar or you even just approach a guy with certainty if you wanted it you could get laid 100% 100% whereas like most dudes even

Aeliathough a good-look dude it's not a given he's going to get laid if he like goes out to a bar or a club or he's on a dating app I mean dating app I I think dating app like because it's harder for men to get laid I think you AB

Brian Atlasabsolutely could I mean I see women that are looking for hookups on dating apps all the time right but with perhaps with a certain tier of men and also I like another thing I would add there has to be some degree of planning like any of

Brian Atlasyou even though it's Sunday it's [ __ ] late as [ __ ] any of you could probably hop on Tinder right now tonight and [ __ ]

Brian Atlasa dude tonight I don't care how attractive the dude is there's like no chick it's going to be extremely difficult for a dude to hop on Tinder on

Brian Atlasa Sunday at [ __ ] midnight I don't care how hot he is and [ __ ] a chick that night there's going to have to be some planning it's not going to just go down like that though I mean like if I go on Tinder I'm going to have to plan that

Brian Atlaswith the guy yeah but but if you're if you were open to same night like if you were pushing for the same night you could get it whereas it's not a you like guarantee you could probably get it whereas it's

Essienot a guarantee for men can I say something real experiences I have two really close friends of mine who are guys and they have the hardest time finding a woman even just to have

Essiesex one of them has been celibate for four years and he's a decent he's a decent dude he's on the Spectrum but he's like a really decent guy and he struggles even my other friend he's 6'4

Brian Atlasan attractive dude has an amazing job and he hasn't gotten laid in a year that's how you know okay can you show me photos after the show just so I can see but you did

Brian Atlasmention is not one of the guys is not neur neurotypical that's another point I would add if a guy is like not neurotypical they're also dis like a woman who's not neurotypical she's even not going to

Nevhave an issue getting laid whereas a dude who's maybe a little you know what whatever he's going he's and I bagg a chag bro sorry see take it from the horse's mouth dud like like literally

Nevlike I'm red as [ __ ] bro like you're not [ __ ] you're actually very s i yeah but it it's honestly hilarious you're really funny thank you I I have yeah I I'm I'm I'm red but wait what about the

Nevbus tell us about the bus the but no I'm not saying about the bus tell us about the bus tell us about the bus I'm not tell them about the bus the [ __ ] short bus bro the [ __ ] short bus they they they put me on that for like a hot minute but then they realized I was like

Nevfunctioning so like they said no you can take the normal one no oh my God no but seriously like I've

Nevseen like like I made friends with this autistic guy like like over my Japan trip cuz it was study abroad and like I saw the way people like interact like like treated him like they were like oh my God this guy's [ __ ] weird bro like and other people like oh that's so

Unknownendearing her autism like oh she's so whatever like oh poor little thing poor little thing but they're like oh my God bro that [ __ ] Jake bro he's [ __ ] weird as [ __ ] bro like like Hide Your

NevKids bro like Jake is [ __ ] weird like there's like it just I don't know like I definitely see the way the autistic men are treated I'm like oh [ __ ] that could have been it's rough out there for for

Brian Atlaslook men with any sort of physical disability or disfigurement or detect detectable neurod Divergence are rarely treated with any measure of interest but

Brian Atlasthat's not so for most women like a woman a woman in a wheelchair could could oh my God is that inap is that inappropriate could she could she

Brian Atlascould what's it called when the when you scoot in a wheelchair pedal you could could run not run circles around men is that did did I just can am I canel they

Brian Atlascall that a crippy with a grippy what the [ __ ] bro don't say that [ __ ] don't say that [ __ ] um no but could wheel a a woman in a wheelchair could wheel around a guy

Nevwho's not in a wheelchair in terms of getting laid wheelchair chick get some get a new some new dick every night of the week can she feel I'm just saying I'm just saying listen can she feel it

Brian Atlasthough if she's paralyzed from the waist down she's got like let's say she's like her okay okay cancelled um okay good times good times look okay so you think

Brian Atlasit's easier for men I didn't say easier okay you think said equivalent it's equivalent 100% equivalent yeah I mean like hold on hold on we're almost done we almost done my rides are getting my

Brian Atlasride is patient hold yeah they're outside they're waiting hold on D I want to play no I I want to go home and play

AeliaSakira have a nice Pizza wait okay I love Sakira so what's up what's up I I mean I would say fairly equivalent I you know maybe after listening I could on but I think I think part of the issue is

Aeliathat if it is a little bit more difficult for men to have sex with women is partially their own fault because of the standards that they perpetuate onto women what yeah because women are going to be less likely to want to have casual sex because they're know they know

Aeliathey're going to be shamed for it later on so I mean there are a lot of women that are very their standards are so high because they're like I have to add every body I have to add has to count you think you think that's the only standard that women has no not at all I

Aeliadidn't say that's the only standard that women have but when we have these podcasts or there's these thousands of podcasts of men being like oh well that body counts disgusting oh that's disgusting women are going to be less inclined to open up and want to have

Aeliacasual sex unless the men man that they're talking to is like top tier like 100% their body is going to be worth adding to their account because they know they're going to get shamed for it later wait so I think women would be

Aeliamore inclined to have casual sex if men weren't so critical of it oh so you're arguing on our side now you're now you're saying no I'm saying I still believe it I said if it's slightly more difficult for them I would say that that would potentially be why that's one well I mean couldn't it be the case that in

Ali Hardestygeneral women are more picky and more selective and have higher standards I mean not necessarily I mean there's a again evolutionary and biological reasons for this I do feel like a lot of

Brian Atlasguys will sleep with anything so men will sleep down but like you you could say for they've done studies on this or they've released the the data from dating apps

Brian Atlaswomen swipe no on like the vast majority of men and women will frequently rank say women find like 80 to 90% of men as unattractive here we I mean we could go

Bangsaround the table what percentage of men do you find attractive on so true I do not find it takes me forever to find an attractive guy like literally every two and a half years but you just said you like guys who are kind of frumpy or

Bangswhatever but like to find one to find one where I'm just like oh my gosh like to for me to really like someone you want to find a frumpy hot ugly guy I

Aelialove ug makes sense yes ugly hot dudes are a thing hot ugly dudes are a thing it's like the medium ugly standard that women talk about all the time they're like oh I love medium ugly guys yeah that's pretty good like that's a thing

Aeliathat women are like I love a medium ugly guy I also I don't physical looks have never been that big of a proponent to me personally I'm you did a guy shorter than you I have dated men shorter than me yeah is that your preference is that

Aeliaideal though um no it's definitely not my preference but I like I said earlier looks have never been a really high proponent to me I find people a lot more attractive when I get to know them most people that I find like physically

Aeliaattractive off rip um I gen generally end up not liking like people become more attractive to me as I get to know them and like get to know that they're get to know their good qualities okay

Brian Atlasall right well we have alz here Alpha men don't call themselves Alpha men men yet 50% of men call themselves Alpha men then I guess 50% of men aren't Alpha men I don't know if have they done a study on the frequency with which men call

Brian Atlasthemselves Alphas I've never I've never heard of that um I just I don't know if I'm going to be able to like this idea that it's

Brian Atlasequivalent equivalent it's just boggles my mind that that I you know what will make you feel better food that is that is deep I'm I'm rather

Brian Atlastired too I I wish I could argue about this all night all we'll do part two I feel like yeah we can do we can definitely we can

Bangsdefinitely we should do a Microsoft we have the microphone for it play last last little train of

Brian Atlasconversation here zip it zip it good okay um generally speaking like do you ever approach guys yeah I well I used I used to all the time generally speaking

Aeliathough like who has to initiate the first date men or women I mean on I mean like I think men expect themselves to have to but I would initiate the first date a lot of times if if you had to assign a percentage in terms of who's

Brian Atlasinitiating First Dates what would you say would you say it's 50/50 like 50% of the time women initiate First Dates definitely not I would definitely say that men are initiating first States a lot higher than women are is having to

Brian Atlasinitiate something does that add a level of difficulty to something I mean yeah but if you're talking about dating and Casual Sex those are two very different things well don't I mean isn't that the same thing I mean not really

Aelialike going on dates and actually pursuing someone is a lot different than going to a bar or going to a club and trying to just like hook up with the first hot piece of ass so okay let me ask you a question let me ask you a

Brian Atlasquestion if I go to a bar or a club right um and I just stand there do you think I'm getting

Brian Atlasapproached by any chicks probably not but I don't okay so what do I have to do if I want to get laid talk to people I have to approach right I mean a woman would approach you

Aeliadepending on the scenario but I mean if you're just standing there awkwardly I mean I used to work at a nightclub and I would approach men okay that's great but generally speaking women don't approach men in nightclubs I mean I I don't I you

Aeliado congratulations but like say just me I mean like I I was a bottle server and I watch it happen all the time as a bottle server you not me I'm saying I would witness it in a club setting of women going up to men probably just to

Brian Atlasdrink from their bottle but like at the same time that they're still approaching them okay but here's the difference right mhm you put a guy in the club there's a good chance that like he's just standing there he's not being awkward but he's just kind of you know

Bangsgot a drink at the bar whatever he's just sipping whatever nobody's coming to talk to him you put a girl in that same exact scenario some dud like she's getting approached you're just mad that girls

Ali Hardestyare prettier mad can I go I'm not mad I'm not mad hold on hold on we're about you sound jealous no I'm not I'm not jealous but I'm just arguing I'm not jealous to be fair that is why they have strip clubs where like you know the

Nevdancers will approach the out at the bar and that sort of thing so like I get what you're saying I still think the metal franchise is like I don't know I get what you're saying good I get what

Nevyou're saying but I think they shut the [ __ ] up shut up [ __ ] you not you her her over here she's [ __ ] talking about anime and [ __ ] no I'm talking about Metal Gear that's not anime bro

NevI'm just saying like I don't know can we just I'm getting to yeah I think that the last two Metal Gear games weren't as good as the other ones I think gear two three great that's a great thought okay

Brian Atlasso you get approach the baram Sam though who who typically who goes for the first kiss men usually okay so then who like tries to maybe move things forward in terms of oh you should come over to my

Brian Atlasplace is that that can be the the guy or the girl men men are typically okay what about like moving things forward sexually usually men oh okay so if all these burdens fall on men it's not a

Brian Atlasburden if you're trying to get casual sex that's you trying to get casual sex from a woman if that's a burden then don't do it okay it is a burden it is a burden because all of these individual

Brian Atlassteps are potential points of rejection so a woman could reject any one of these points okay so could a man so going up

TTS Readergoing up you know doing the approach mhm okay oh my God Metal Gear Solid that's not true men don't get approached by women at bars I

Brian Atlasmean that's just simply not true but okay some men who are exceptionally attractive may get approached at the bar however I would argue that like an

Brian Atlasaverage woman is getting as much attention in terms of the frequency with which she's getting approached as like a really attractive guy because that's just the dynamic between men and women

Brian Atlasmen are the initiators and women really aren't initiating like that some women do but it's exceedingly rare can I initiate the going home process shut the [ __ ] up hold on we're almost done we're

Bangsalmost done we're almost done we're almost look said 15 minutes like 15 more minutes no he said 15 minutes 4 minutes ago this is

Brian Atlascruel and unusual punishment bro your mom is cruel and unusual for real she not creative with it bro like she look every step of the way there's multiple you know from the approach to asking for the number

Brian Atlastexting planning the first date whether it's online or in person going for the first kiss moving things forward sexually all all these various steps these are each there's like dozens of

Brian Atlaspotential points of rejection that that men almost exclusively face so just on that basis alone it's harder for men to

Aeliaget get laid than is for women again I just I think that it's kind of like a I think I we're never going to agree on this because I think that it's like fairly equal and I don't think that fairly equal I do and I don't

Aeliathink that men having to actually have conversations with women makes it harder for men to get laid I mean if you're like a halfway decent dude and you just like aren't a dick you can probably get

Aelialaid okay so just be halfway decent dude yeah I mean at a bar like I've seen some crazy scenarios I'm sure everybody else at the table has too let me ask you a

Brian Atlasquestion how many men have you rejected me oh my God I have no idea hundreds thousands thousands let's go around the table really quick here here show of hands

Nevshow of hands show of hands have you rejected more than 100 men perhaps I mean are we talking like men that follow you down the

Brian Atlasstreet how many dudes have approached you how many dudes have slid into your DMs if any of you have had apps how many guys have you not like not swiped on or how about you matched with but then just

Brian Atlaslike it didn't work out but ultimately let's say in person and you know women reject men more than the reverse so on that basis

Brian Atlasalone it's harder for men to get laid if women reject if if okay let me put it to you this way if You' rejected more men than have men rejected you simply by

Nevvirtue of that Dynamic it's harder for men to get laid can I go hold on I think you have to agree with him for bro if you want just go just go if you want to [ __ ] go no no no no no don't be like that bro my mom gets mad when I come

Nevlate bro she she gets hella mad bro okay but you don't you're just being kind of obnoxious about it so go if you have to go then go okay so okay uh um follow shut up dude okay so never the Rob on an

Brian AtlasInstagram I'm sorry guys my mom nice to meet you my mom just gets mad bro my mom's like the devil bro like you don't understand that's fun if you got to go excuse yourself but we don't need you talking about [ __ ] anime and just

Amy Dangerfieldinterrupting and stuff okay okay so I'm not going to keep everybody here I'll agree okay she has a SE cush why does

Amy Dangerfieldshe have a SE cushion cuz she's short seems way comier okay okay last thing here

Brian Atlasokay okay all right oh my God show of hands here have you rejected

Brian Atlasmore men than you have been rejected by men 100% yeah hell yeah so to me that would indicate that

Brian Atlasdating is harder for men getting late as harder for men if you reject more men than the reverse like if you reject more men than you are getting rejected by men

Aeliathen that necessarily means that dating and getting laid is harder for men I mean I said like a while ago that it might be slightly more difficult but

Aelialike I still just slightly though but I but I think I mean I I think that though I don't think that it's that difficult to approach a woman and have a conversation with them like I don't think privileged it's a very privileged

Brian Atlasposition to say it's really not that difficult to approach women and get laate it's really not that difficult when you don't need to approach you don't need to approach men to get laid because you can just pick from all the

Brian Atlasmen that are coming to you but some of the times they're kind of not that cute yeah but you at least have a pool of options that are coming op that I don't want low quality men that but that that only reinforces my point that it's

Brian Atlasharder if if there's all these men that you don't want they would otherwise happily sleep with you it's harder for men to get laid okay but this idea that it's only slightly

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